Home » The PARIS Forums » PARIS: Main » OK........I've had enough of this
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95660 is a reply to message #95640] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 04:09   |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
rcheology? Habermas? Cambodian architecture? Politics is as difficult
>> to
>>>>master as those, but somehow because someone is a good actor we are
>>>>supposed
>>>>to take their opinions seriously.
>>>>
>>>>This all stems, in my opinion, in the greatly overstated role that
>>>>'artists'
>>>>played in various movements of the baby boomer's youth.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On the contrary, Bill, I DO have a problem with him being an artist.
>> I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>like to listen to CEOs sing or watch accountants dance or look at
>>>>>>paintings
>>>>>>by politicians. There are plenty of well-informed commentators on
>>>>>>current
>>>>>>affairs who specialize on that, if Tim wants to make a difference he
>> should
>>>>>>volunteer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your reasoning seems flawed on this. The comparison is botched, if you
>>>will
>>>>>forgive me. The question ought to be: Do you want to hear a CEO, not
>>>>>sing,
>>>>>but make political pronouncements? And the answer must be no, according
>>>>to
>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tim Robbins's occupation is irrelevant. He is an informed citizen and
>> that's
>>>>>all the qualification he needs to make stating his views in public not
>>>only
>>>>>legitimate but essential.It may be opportunism, but so what? From your
>>>perspective,
>>>>>nobody apart from the professional politician ought to be taken
>>>>>seriously
>>>>>on matters of policy, not CEOs (does Michael Bloomberg pronounce on
>>>>>policy?),
>>>>>not editors/writers(the Kristols, Buckley, et al), not military people,
>>>>nor
>>>>>economists, religionists, nor ordinary people of any stripe. There is
>> a
>>>>streak
>>>>>of tory paternalism in this that is anti democratic to its core:
>>>>>governing
>>>>>is the province of the elite alone. It's vintage Duke of Wellington.
>>>>>
>>>>>By this logic, in fact, your OWN amateur pronouncements on politics
must
>>>>>be considered utterly without merit. Yet, if you had Tim Robbins's
>>>>>platform,
>>>>>considering how strongly held and sophisticated your viewpoint is, and
>>>how
>>>>>avidly you promote it even to this tiny audience here, would you decline
>>>>>such an opportunity to promote it to the world at large? I can't see
>> it,
>>>>>and I wouldn't fault you. Do you feel that Tim Robbins is less
>>>>>politically
>>>>>sophisticated than yourself?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Venceremos!
>>>>>bunuel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hi Rick,
We haven't seen those issues at all with logic so far.
We are installing them on fresh out of the box machines not ones that people have had a chance to screw up. :)
Nuendo has been working great on the leopard side from what I've seen or heard from our customers so far. That is also true for Logic.
I think allot of the people reporting issues with Logic are coming from Tiger to leopard upgrades and not fresh installs.
They also may have 3rd party plug ins, sound cards and other non audio apps already installed on the machine that may not like Logic.
Chris
rick wrote:
> it's pretty much a stay away OS on any audio forum for pro use. some
> do not experience problems but a majority do. my experience is with
> logic and not nuendo and out of the five people running 10.5 and logic
> only one has it working without too many problems. the other 4 went
> back to tiger. the problems are too numerous to list...once you can
> even get logic to boot consistently.
>
> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:08:47 -0400, "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Can you explain the problems with "Leopard" ?? I am thinking of doing the
>> same thing...Anybody use Nuendo with a Mac ??
>> "rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:c28r0457q88rgkseco9vsklj4dio1kn7su@4ax.com...
>>> with the right set up sure. just stay away from leopard. you can get
>>> a new mac loaded with tiger...though you won't be able to use all 8
>>> cpus if you go that route...plus your ram limit will be 4 gigs.
>>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2008 02:58:41 +1000, "Uptown Jimmy"
>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello again!
>>>>
>>>> My production partner Swen ahs decided that Paris is no longer good
>> enough
>>>> for him, and wants desperately to switch to Logic on a Mac Pro tower. I
>> do
>>>> not know why. He has always railed against what he perceives as being the
>>>> fundamental inadequacy of Paris, though he's never used any other
>> platform,
>>>> and so has no frame of reference.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I know a lot of folks here have experience with other platforms,
>>>> and I wondered if anyone could give me some vague particulars as to what
>>>> is possible on a native system these days.
>>>> We regularly rack up track counts of 64 or more, with Paris EQ on almost
>>>> every channel. Can a native Logic system do that? Is latency an issue?
>> Would
>>>> the system be stable and easy to set up and tweak?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jimmy
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comHi James,
James McCloskey wrote:
> I've had just the opposite experience, all my Macs work. I've never had a
> problem with FireWire on any of my macs, and I own a lot of them. It sounds
> like they switched chip set manufacturers along the way but they are back
> to TI chip sets.
Yes the firewire chip set thing has been the only major thing to really happen lately.
Most anything else I seen has more to do with software and hardware people not getting their stuff optimized for Leopard.
Especially the software side of things.
The Bootcamp side of things is having some issues with firewire on the new models I think because of the TI chipset they use is a 400/800 combo chip.
Some of the BridgeCo chip based firewire audio devices will only work properly on the 800 port using an 400/800 adapter. Go figure.
Chris
>
> rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>> that is so true of macs...the errors or bugs are so inconsistent it
>> makes me laugh at there ads about not knowing what you'll get when you
>> buy a pc... especially with the mac version of vista in leopard.
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:32:22 -0400, Chris Ludwig
>> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rick,
>>> G5 and Intel based Macs have all went through many variations. The behavior
> of firewire
>> devices varied almost as much. \
>>> There were some pretty major changes amongst the G5 models along when it
> came the hardware.
>>> Kerry luckily is using one that doesn't have any issues.
>>>
>>> We have had good luck with the Siig cards on both Mac and PC.
>>> It is best not to get a combo 800/400 or a 400/usb card. Just get a 400
> only. The TI
>> chips used are different than the ones on the combo cards.
>>> The one that Kim pointed out is a good choice.
>>> You should pick up a 4pin power extension to use with the Y-Splitter the
> card comes
>> with.
>>> The card does need to have the power hooked up.
>>> The only 4pin (IDE drive) power connection is located up in the section
> with the CDrom
>> drive so it's a long run.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> rick wrote:
>>>> the old drive too slow prompt when two external drives are connected.
>>>> with only one drive connected the same song plays through without
>>>> problems; not so with two connected playing the same song off either
>>>> drive.
>>>>
>>>> On 20 Apr 2008 12:41:13 +1000, "kerry g" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's strange. I've had three to five external drives (currently 1x120,
> 2x160
>>>>> and 1x230) and a DVD burner constantly hung off the internal FW of my
> dual
>>>>> G5 for two years now (plus a 160 and a 320 internally and a 500 in a
> USB2.0
>>>>> cradle). Maybe I'm missing something - what are the symptoms of it misbehaving?
>>>>>
>>>>> rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> macs don't like multiple connections using their on board fw. i
>>>>>> already have the pci/firewire for the ad/da and one audio drive and
> i
>>>>>> need connections for more portability. i'll also be adding a sata
>>>>>> driv
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95664 is a reply to message #95660] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 06:39 |
chuck duffy
Messages: 453
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
gt;>>>>
>>>>>>> - K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/17/08 3:30 AM, in article ag9e049j8d37t090dn929o1hbih4m08u9f@4ax.com,
>>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what's good out there?
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comI've had some issues installing Safari and OSX on top of existing software.
I totally agree with Chris, a clean install of OSX is the way to go!
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>We haven't seen those issues at all with logic so far.
>We are installing them on fresh out of the box machines not ones that people
have had
>a chance to screw up. :)
>
>Nuendo has been working great on the leopard side from what I've seen or
heard from
>our customers so far. That is also true for Logic.
>I think allot of the people reporting issues with Logic are coming from
Tiger to leopard
>upgrades and not fresh installs.
>They also may have 3rd party plug ins, sound cards and other non audio apps
already
>installed on the machine that may not like Logic.
>
>Chris
>
>rick wrote:
>> it's pretty much a stay away OS on any audio forum for pro use. some
>> do not experience problems but a majority do. my experience is with
>> logic and not nuendo and out of the five people running 10.5 and logic
>> only one has it working without too many problems. the other 4 went
>> back to tiger. the problems are too numerous to list...once you can
>> even get logic to boot consistently.
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:08:47 -0400, "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you explain the problems with "Leopard" ?? I am thinking of doing
the
>>> same thing...Anybody use Nuendo with a Mac ??
>>> "rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:c28r0457q88rgkseco9vsklj4dio1kn7su@4ax.com...
>>>> with the right set up sure. just stay away from leopard. you can get
>>>> a new mac loaded with tiger...though you won't be able to use all 8
>>>> cpus if you go that route...plus your ram limit will be 4 gigs.
>>>>
>>>> On 22 Apr 2008 02:58:41 +1000, "Uptown Jimmy"
>>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello again!
>>>>>
>>>>> My production partner Swen ahs decided that Paris is no longer good
>>> enough
>>>>> for him, and wants desperately to switch to Logic on a Mac Pro tower.
I
>>> do
>>>>> not know why. He has always railed against what he perceives as being
the
>>>>> fundamental inadequacy of Paris, though he's never used any other
>>> platform,
>>>>> and so has no frame of reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I know a lot of folks here have experience with other platforms,
>>>>> and I wondered if anyone could give me some vague particulars as to
what
>>>>> is possible on a native system these days.
>>>>> We regularly rack up track counts of 64 or more, with Paris EQ on almost
>>>>> every channel. Can a native Logic system do that? Is latency an issue?
>>> Would
>>>>> the system be stable and easy to set up and tweak?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Jimmy
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8A54F.8E4C3EA0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It has been released today. =20
Get it while it's hot!
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:480f206e$1@linux...
Dear Tom,
This is just a plugin so the latencies are just added afterall.
So the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
then
after putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the =
overall
latency and offset the automation for that amount.
I don't know when this will be released...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>This all makes sense. Thank you for that. Now do the
>Paris automation lines still work on plugins that are being
>compensated for with Faderworks or is the gui screwey?
>Meaning the time is offset?
>
>When using stereo instances of Faderworks do you actually
>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris plugin gui or assign another
>mono instance for the adjacent channel? This has caused trouble=3D20
>in my experience with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.
>
>Thanks for your answers and when should it be available?
>I'm ready!
>
>Tom=3D20
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
>news:480cbb3a$1@linux...
>
> OK
> I thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
words
=3D
>for
> it :)
>
> You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =
right?)
> I put it on the first one.
> Then whatever you put on other slots it does not matter because =3D
>faderworks
> always does what is supposed to do.
>
> Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks has been =
=3D
>written
> to do this for us only BETTER !
>
> 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.
> 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks the put the 2in/2out =
=3D
>faderworks.
> 3. I made a Default project with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances =
=3D
>already
> loaded so no hassle thereafter...
> 4. If you make a list with plugins and latencies (64 for now is =
more =3D
>than
> enouph) these will be remembered with every new project.
> Just remember to have the button in the OFF state.
> 5. Even if you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other =
slots
=3D
>faderworks
> will do whatever is asked to do.
> 6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS:
> The default status of the plugin is to ignore the latency status =
for
=3D
>the
> track you are putting the plugin.
> For instance.
>
> A. You put a waves renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone =
or
=3D
>from
> withing the FFX4 or chainer...
> Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 samples.
> That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead =
of =3D
>track
> 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.
> NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks on every track then =
BY
=3D
>JUST
> pushing the ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =3D
>Faderworks
> DELAYS all other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact =
the =3D
>audio
> track 1 for which faderworks ignores the latency.
> OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too !!
> It even substract latency !!!!
> So by putting a waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT =
=3D
>mean
> that faderworks will delay all others again by 64 samples !! , thus =
=3D
>overall
> latency WILL REMAIN at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was already =
64 =3D
>samples
> latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 =
=3D
>samples
> for this track !!
>
> Anyone understood what I typed in here ? :)
> Regards,
> Dimitrios=3D20
>
> eff H <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >How does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =
example=3D20
> >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?
> >
> >JH
> >
> >wrote:
> >> I tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.
> >> It holds 64 presets with latencies so you can just click the on =
=3D
>button
> anytime
> >> you load the plugin...
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you =
=3D
>for=3D20
>that. Now do the</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paris automation lines still =
work on =3D
>plugins that=3D20
>are being</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks =
or is =3D
>the gui=3D20
>screwey?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Meaning the time is =3D
>offset?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =
=3D
>Faderworks do you=3D20
>actually</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the =
Paris =3D
>plugin gui or=3D20
>assign another</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =
=3D
>channel? This=3D20
>has caused trouble </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT =
=3D
>face=3D3DArial=3D20
>size=3D3D2>with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when =
should
=3D
>it be=3D20
>available?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm ready!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95668 is a reply to message #95664] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 08:35 |
Don Nafe
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
r />
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:480f206e$1@linux">news:480f206e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dear=
=20
Tom,<BR>This is just a plugin so the latencies are just added =
afterall.<BR>So=20
the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
then<BR>after=20
putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the=20
overall<BR>latency and offset the automation for that amount.<BR>I =
don't know=20
when this will be released...<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Tom =
Bruhl"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR >>This all makes =
sense. =20
Thank you for that. Now do the<BR>>Paris automation lines =
still work=20
on plugins that are being<BR>>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
the gui=20
screwey?<BR>>Meaning the time is offset?<BR>><BR>>When using =
stereo=20
instances of Faderworks do you actually<BR>>hit the 'Stereo X box" =
in the=20
Paris plugin gui or assign another<BR>>mono instance for the =
adjacent=20
channel? This has caused trouble=3D20<BR>>in my experience =
with=20
mono/stereo combinations and Paris.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your =
answers and=20
when should it be available?<BR>>I'm=20
ready!<BR>><BR>>Tom=3D20<BR>><BR >> "Dimitrios" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
=3D<BR>>news:480cbb3a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> =
OK<BR>> I=20
thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right=20
words<BR>=3D<BR>>for<BR>> it :)<BR>><BR>> You =
put=20
faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =
right?)<BR>> I=20
put it on the first one.<BR>> Then whatever you put on other =
slots it=20
does not matter because =3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> always =
does what is=20
supposed to do.<BR>><BR>> Tom, yes why should you use =
sampleslide=20
when Faderworks has been =3D<BR>>written<BR>> to do this =
for us only=20
BETTER !<BR>><BR>> 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every =
Paris=20
audio track.<BR>> 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks =
the put=20
the 2in/2out =3D<BR>>faderworks.<BR>> 3. I made a Default =
project=20
with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances =
=3D<BR>>already<BR>> loaded=20
so no hassle thereafter...<BR>> 4. If you make a list with =
plugins=20
and latencies (64 for now is more =3D<BR>>than<BR>> =
enouph) these=20
will be remembered with every new project.<BR>> Just remember =
to have=20
the button in the OFF state.<BR>> 5. Even if you use FFX4 =
and/or=20
chainer or other wrpper on other =
slots<BR>=3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> =20
will do whatever is asked to do.<BR>> 6 HERE IS HOW IT =
ACTUALLY=20
WORKS:<BR>> The default status of the plugin is to =
ignore the=20
latency status for<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> track you are =
putting the=20
plugin.<BR>> For instance.<BR>><BR>> A. You put a =
waves=20
renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone=20
or<BR>=3D<BR>>from<BR>> withing the FFX4 or =
chainer...<BR>> =20
Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 =
samples.<BR>> =20
That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead of=20
=3D<BR>>track<BR>> 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample=20
latent.<BR>> NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks =
on every=20
track then BY<BR>=3D<BR>>JUST<BR>> pushing the ON button =
track 1 of=20
the Waves renvox preset then =3D<BR>>Faderworks<BR>> =
DELAYS all=20
other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the=20
=3D<BR>>audio<BR>> track 1 for which faderworks ignores =
the=20
latency.<BR>> OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too =
!!<BR>> It even substract latency !!!!<BR>> So by =
putting a=20
waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT=20
=3D<BR>>mean<BR>> that faderworks will delay all others =
again by 64=20
samples !! , thus =3D<BR>>overall<BR>> latency WILL REMAIN =
at 64=20
samples, ONLY track 2 which was already 64 =
=3D<BR>>samples<BR>> =20
latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64=20
=3D<BR>>samples<BR>> for this track =
!!<BR>><BR>> Anyone=20
understood what I typed in here ? :)<BR>> =
Regards,<BR>> =20
Dimitrios=3D20<BR>><BR>> eff H <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> >Dimitrios<BR>> ><BR>> =
>How=20
does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =
example=3D20<BR>> =20
>autotune wrapped inside FFX4?<BR>> ><BR>> =20
>JH<BR>> ><BR>> >wrote:<BR>> =
>> I=20
tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.<BR>> >> It holds =
64=20
presets with latencies so you can just click the on=20
=3D<BR>>button<BR>> anytime<BR>> >> you =
load the=20
plugin...<BR>> >> Regards,<BR>> >>=20
Dimitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight=20
spam, and you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
<BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD> <BR>><META=20
http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
=3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
6.00.2900.2180"=20
=
name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE> <BR>></HEA=
D><BR>><BODY=20
bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
=
size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DI V> <BR>><DIV><F=
ONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you=20
=3D<BR>>for=3D20<BR>>that. Now do=20
the</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
size=3D3D2>Paris automation lines still work on =3D<BR>>plugins=20
that=3D20<BR>>are =
being</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
=3D<BR>>the=20
=
gui=3D20<BR>>screwey?</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><F=
ONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Meaning the time is=20
=3D<BR>>offset?</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =
=3D<BR>>Faderworks do=20
=
you=3D20<BR>>actually</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><F=
ONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris =
=3D<BR>>plugin=20
gui or=3D20<BR>>assign=20
another</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =3D<BR>>channel? =
This=3D20<BR>>has caused trouble=20
</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT=20
=3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>size=3D3D2>with mono/stereo =
combinations and=20
Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when should<BR>=3D<BR>>it =
=
be=3D20<BR>>available?</FONT></DIV> <BR>><DIV><=
FONT=20
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm=20
ready!</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial=20
size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
=
</DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR >>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
0px;=20
PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
2px solid;=20
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Dimitrios"=20
<<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
wrote in =3D<BR>>message=3D20<BR>> <A =
=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OK<B=
'>news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
;<BR>OK<B</A>=3D<BR>>R>I=3D20 <BR>> =20
thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right words=20
=3D<BR>>for<BR>it=3D20<BR>> =
:)<BR><BR>You put=20
faderworks on one of the native slots (you have=20
four<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> right?)<BR>I put it on the =
first=20
one.<BR>Then whatever you put on =3D<BR>>other =
slots=3D20<BR>> =20
it does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what is=20
supposed<BR>=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR>> =
do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why=20
should you use sampleslide when Faderworks=20
has<BR>=3D<BR>>been=3D20<BR>> written<BR>to do this =
for us only=20
BETTER !<BR><B
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95670 is a reply to message #95660] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 09:22 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is=20
64=3D20<BR>> samples.<BR>That MEANS that all other =
Paris audio=20
tracks are 64 =3D<BR>>samples ahead=3D20<BR>> of =
track<BR>1 or=20
if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.<BR>NOW =
=3D<BR>>having=20
in=3D20<BR>> mind that you have put Faderworks on every track =
then BY=20
=3D<BR>>JUST<BR>pushing the=3D20<BR>> ON button =
track 1 of the=20
Waves renvox preset then=20
Faderworks<BR>DELAYS<BR>=3D<BR>>all=3D20 <BR>> other =
Paris audio=20
tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the =
=3D<BR>>audio<BR>track 1=20
for=3D20<BR>> which faderworks ignores the =
latency.<BR>OVERALL=20
latency is displayed<BR>=3D<BR>>on every=3D20<BR>> track =
too=20
!!<BR>It even substract latency !!!!<BR>So by putting a=20
=3D<BR>>waves=3D20<BR>> rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 =
that does NOT=20
mean<BR>that faderworks<BR>=3D<BR>>will=3D20<BR>> =
delay all=20
others again by 64 samples !! , thus overall<BR>latency=20
WILL<BR>=3D<BR>>REMAIN=3D20<BR>> at 64 samples, ONLY track =
2 which was=20
already 64 samples<BR>latent =3D<BR>>because =
of=3D20<BR>> track=20
1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for this=20
=3D<BR>>track=3D20<BR>> !!<BR><BR>Anyone =
understood what I=20
typed in here ?=20
=3D<BR> >:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitr ios=3D20 <BR>> =20
<BR><BR>eff H <<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
t; =20
wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>& amp;gt;<BR>>How does this =
function with =3D<BR>>plugins=3D20<BR>> inside a wrapper, =
for example=20
<BR>>autotune wrapped inside=3D20<BR>> =20
=
FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH& amp;lt;BR>><BR>>wrote:&am p;lt;=
BR>>>=20
I tried the =3D<BR>>beta1=3D20<BR>> and it is=20
marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets with latencies so=20
=3D<BR>>you can=3D20<BR>> just click the on=20
button<BR>anytime<BR>>&am p;gt; you load =
the=3D20<BR>> =20
plugin...<BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>=20
Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
spam,=20
=
=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20 <BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
=
href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
=
</FONT></DIV></BODY&g t;</HTML> <BR>><BR>><BR></=
BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8A54F.8E4C3EA0--This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_003C_01C8A550.17004700
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
D.,
How do you offset the automation after it's been written?
The king of stupid questions.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:480f206e$1@linux...
Dear Tom,
This is just a plugin so the latencies are just added afterall.
So the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
then
after putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the =
overall
latency and offset the automation for that amount.
I don't know when this will be released...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>This all makes sense. Thank you for that. Now do the
>Paris automation lines still work on plugins that are being
>compensated for with Faderworks or is the gui screwey?
>Meaning the time is offset?
>
>When using stereo instances of Faderworks do you actually
>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris plugin gui or assign another
>mono instance for the adjacent channel? This has caused trouble=3D20
>in my experience with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.
>
>Thanks for your answers and when should it be available?
>I'm ready!
>
>Tom=3D20
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
>news:480cbb3a$1@linux...
>
> OK
> I thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
words
=3D
>for
> it :)
>
> You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =
right?)
> I put it on the first one.
> Then whatever you put on other slots it does not matter because =3D
>faderworks
> always does what is supposed to do.
>
> Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks has been =
=3D
>written
> to do this for us only BETTER !
>
> 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.
> 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks the put the 2in/2out =
=3D
>faderworks.
> 3. I made a Default project with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances =
=3D
>already
> loaded so no hassle thereafter...
> 4. If you make a list with plugins and latencies (64 for now is =
more =3D
>than
> enouph) these will be remembered with every new project.
> Just remember to have the button in the OFF state.
> 5. Even if you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other =
slots
=3D
>faderworks
> will do whatever is asked to do.
> 6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS:
> The default status of the plugin is to ignore the latency status =
for
=3D
>the
> track you are putting the plugin.
> For instance.
>
> A. You put a waves renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone =
or
=3D
>from
> withing the FFX4 or chainer...
> Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 samples.
> That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead =
of =3D
>track
> 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.
> NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks on every track then =
BY
=3D
>JUST
> pushing the ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =3D
>Faderworks
> DELAYS all other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact =
the =3D
>audio
> track 1 for which faderworks ignores the latency.
> OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too !!
> It even substract latency !!!!
> So by putting a waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT =
=3D
>mean
> that faderworks will delay all others again by 64 samples !! , thus =
=3D
>overall
> latency WILL REMAIN at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was already =
64 =3D
>samples
> latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 =
=3D
>samples
> for this track !!
>
> Anyone understood what I typed in here ? :)
> Regards,
> Dimitrios=3D20
>
> eff H <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >How does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =
example=3D20
> >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?
> >
> >JH
> >
> >wrote:
> >> I tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.
> >> It holds 64 presets with latencies so you can just click the on =
=3D
>button
> anytime
> >> you load the plugin...
> >> Regards,
> >> Dimitrios
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you =
=3D
>for=3D20
>that. Now do the</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paris automation lines still =
work on =3D
>plugins that=3D20
>are being</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks =
or is =3D
>the gui=3D20
>screwey?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Meaning the time is =3D
>offset?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =
=3D
>Faderworks do you=3D20
>actually</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the =
Paris =3D
>plugin gui or=3D20
>assign another</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =
=3D
>channel? This=3D20
>has caused trouble </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT =
=3D
>face=3D3DArial=3D20
>size=3D3D2>with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when =
should
=3D
>it be=3D20
>available?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm ready!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95684 is a reply to message #95670] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 16:40 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
l
> latency and offset the automation for that amount.
> I don't know when this will be released...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Dimitrios,
> >This all makes sense. Thank you for that. Now do the
> >Paris automation lines still work on plugins that are being
> >compensated for with Faderworks or is the gui screwey?
> >Meaning the time is offset?
> >
> >When using stereo instances of Faderworks do you actually
> >hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris plugin gui or assign another
> >mono instance for the adjacent channel? This has caused trouble=3D20
> >in my experience with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.
> >
> >Thanks for your answers and when should it be available?
> >I'm ready!
> >
> >Tom=3D20
> >
> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
> >news:480cbb3a$1@linux...
> >
> > OK
> > I thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
>words
> =3D
> >for
> > it :)
> >
> > You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =
>right?)
> > I put it on the first one.
> > Then whatever you put on other slots it does not matter because =3D
> >faderworks
> > always does what is supposed to do.
> >
> > Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks has been =
>=3D
> >written
> > to do this for us only BETTER !
> >
> > 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.
> > 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks the put the 2in/2out =
>=3D
> >faderworks.
> > 3. I made a Default project with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances
=
>=3D
> >already
> > loaded so no hassle thereafter...
> > 4. If you make a list with plugins and latencies (64 for now is =
>more =3D
> >than
> > enouph) these will be remembered with every new project.
> > Just remember to have the button in the OFF state.
> > 5. Even if you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other =
>slots
> =3D
> >faderworks
> > will do whatever is asked to do.
> > 6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS:
> > The default status of the plugin is to ignore the latency status =
>for
> =3D
> >the
> > track you are putting the plugin.
> > For instance.
> >
> > A. You put a waves renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone
=
>or
> =3D
> >from
> > withing the FFX4 or chainer...
> > Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 samples.
> > That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead =
>of =3D
> >track
> > 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.
> > NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks on every track then
=
>BY
> =3D
> >JUST
> > pushing the ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =3D
> >Faderworks
> > DELAYS all other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact =
>the =3D
> >audio
> > track 1 for which faderworks ignores the latency.
> > OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too !!
> > It even substract latency !!!!
> > So by putting a waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT
=
>=3D
> >mean
> > that faderworks will delay all others again by 64 samples !! , thus
=
>=3D
> >overall
> > latency WILL REMAIN at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was already =
>64 =3D
> >samples
> > latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 =
>=3D
> >samples
> > for this track !!
> >
> > Anyone understood what I typed in here ? :)
> > Regards,
> > Dimitrios=3D20
> >
> > eff H <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> > >Dimitrios
> > >
> > >How does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =
>example=3D20
> > >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?
> > >
> > >JH
> > >
> > >wrote:
> > >> I tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.
> > >> It holds 64 presets with latencies so you can just click the on
=
>=3D
> >button
> > anytime
> > >> you load the plugin...
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dimitrios
> >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you
=
>=3D
> >for=3D20
> >that. Now do the</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Paris automation lines still =
>work on =3D
> >plugins that=3D20
> >are being</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks
=
>or is =3D
> >the gui=3D20
> >screwey?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Meaning the time is =3D
> >offset?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =
>=3D
> >Faderworks do you=3D20
> >actually</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the =
>Paris =3D
> >plugin gui or=3D20
> >assign another</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =
>=3D
> >channel? This=3D20
> >has caused trouble </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT =
>=3D
> >face=3D3DArial=3D20
> >size=3D3D2>with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when
=
>should
> =3D
> >it be=3D20
> >available?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm ready!</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
> >style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>=3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> > href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote
=
>in =3D
> >message=3D20
> > <A =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D"news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>O=
>K<B=3D
> >R>I=3D20
> > thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right words
=
>=3D
> >for<BR>it=3D20
> > :)<BR><BR>You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you have =
>four
> =3D
> >
> > right?)<BR>I put it on the first one.<BR>Then whatever you put on =
>=3D
> >other slots=3D20
> > it does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what is =
>supposed
> =3D
> >to=3D20
> > do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks
=
>has
> =3D
> >been=3D20
> > written<BR>to do this for us only BETTER !<BR><BR>1. You put =3D
> >faderworks=3D20
> > 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>2. If you wanna use a =
>stereo =3D
> >pair of=3D20
> > tracks the put the 2in/2out faderworks.<BR>3. I made a Default =
>project
> =3D
> >with 64=3D20
> > (4 cards) faderworks instances already<BR>loaded so no hassle=3D20
> > thereafter...<BR>4. If you make a list with plugins and latencies =
>(64
> =3D
> >for now=3D20
> > is more than<BR>enouph) these will be remembered with every =
>new=3D20
> > project.<BR>Just remember to have the button in the OFF =
>state.<BR>5. =3D
> >Even if=3D20
> > you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other slots =3D
> >faderworks<BR>will=3D20
> > do whatever is asked to do.<BR>6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY =
>WORKS:<BR>The
> =3D
> >default=3D20
> > status of the plugin is to ignore the latency status for =3D
> >the<BR>track=3D20
> > you are putting the plugin.<BR>For instance.<BR><BR>A. You put a =
>waves
> =3D
> >renvox=3D20
> > on track 1 on slot two either standalone or from<BR>withing the =
>FFX4 =3D
> >or=3D20
> > chainer...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is =
>64=3D20
> > samples.<BR>That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 =3D
> >samples ahead=3D20
> > of track<BR>1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.<BR>NOW =
>=3D
> >having in=3D20
> > mind that you have put Faderworks on every track then BY =3D
> >JUST<BR>pushing the=3D20
> > ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =
>Faderworks<BR>DELAYS
> =3D
> >all=3D20
> > other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the =3D
> >audio<BR>track 1 for=3D20
> > which faderworks ignores the latency.<BR>OVERALL latency is =
>displayed
> =3D
> >on every=3D20
> > track too !!<BR>It even substract latency !!!!<BR>So by putting a =
>=3D
> >waves=3D20
> > rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT mean<BR>that =
>faderworks
> =3D
> >will=3D20
> > delay all others again by 64 samples !! , thus overall<BR>latency =
>WILL
> =3D
> >REMAIN=3D20
> > at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was already 64 samples<BR>latent
=
>=3D
> >because of=3D20
> > track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for this
=
>=3D
> >track=3D20
> > !!<BR><BR>Anyone understood what I typed in here ? =3D
> >:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios=3D20
> > <BR><BR>eff H <<A=3D20
> > href=3D3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20
> > wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>How does this function with =3D
> >plugins=3D20
> > inside a wrapper, for example <BR>>autotune wrapped inside=3D20
> > FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH<BR>><BR>>wrote:<BR>>> I tried the =3D
> >beta1=3D20
> > and it is marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets with latencies so =
>=3D
> >you can=3D20
> > just click the on button<BR>anytime<BR>>> you load the=3D20
> > plugin...<BR>>> Regards,<BR>>> Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam, =3D
> >and=3D20
> >you?<BR><A=3D20
> =
>>href=3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
>fer=3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>D.,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95686 is a reply to message #95684] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 16:02 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
erall.<BR>So=20
> the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
>then<BR>after=20
> putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the=20
> overall<BR>latency and offset the automation for that amount.<BR>I =
>don't know=20
> when this will be released...<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Tom =
>Bruhl"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
>
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>This all makes =
>sense. =20
> Thank you for that. Now do the<BR>>Paris automation lines =
>still work=20
> on plugins that are being<BR>>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
>the gui=20
> screwey?<BR>>Meaning the time is offset?<BR>><BR>>When using =
>stereo=20
> instances of Faderworks do you actually<BR>>hit the 'Stereo X box" =
>in the=20
> Paris plugin gui or assign another<BR>>mono instance for the =
>adjacent=20
> channel? This has caused trouble=3D20<BR>>in my experience =
>with=20
> mono/stereo combinations and Paris.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your =
>answers and=20
> when should it be available?<BR>>I'm=20
> ready!<BR>><BR>>Tom=3D20<BR>><BR>> "Dimitrios" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> =3D<BR>>news:480cbb3a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> =
>OK<BR>> I=20
> thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right=20
> words<BR>=3D<BR>>for<BR>> it :)<BR>><BR>> You =
>put=20
> faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =
>right?)<BR>> I=20
> put it on the first one.<BR>> Then whatever you put on other =
>slots it=20
> does not matter because =3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> always =
>does what is=20
> supposed to do.<BR>><BR>> Tom, yes why should you use =
>sampleslide=20
> when Faderworks has been =3D<BR>>written<BR>> to do this =
>for us only=20
> BETTER !<BR>><BR>> 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every =
>Paris=20
> audio track.<BR>> 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks =
>the put=20
> the 2in/2out =3D<BR>>faderworks.<BR>> 3. I made a Default =
>project=20
> with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances =
>=3D<BR>>already<BR>> loaded=20
> so no hassle thereafter...<BR>> 4. If you make a list with =
>plugins=20
> and latencies (64 for now is more =3D<BR>>than<BR>> =
>enouph) these=20
> will be remembered with every new project.<BR>> Just remember =
>to have=20
> the button in the OFF state.<BR>> 5. Even if you use FFX4 =
>and/or=20
> chainer or other wrpper on other =
>slots<BR>=3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> =20
> will do whatever is asked to do.<BR>> 6 HERE IS HOW IT =
>ACTUALLY=20
> WORKS:<BR>> The default status of the plugin is to =
>ignore the=20
> latency status for<BR>=3D<BR>>the<BR>> track you are =
>putting the=20
> plugin.<BR>> For instance.<BR>><BR>> A. You put a =
>waves=20
> renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone=20
> or<BR>=3D<BR>>from<BR>> withing the FFX4 or =
>chainer...<BR>> =20
> Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 =
>samples.<BR>> =20
> That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead of=20
> =3D<BR>>track<BR>> 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample=20
> latent.<BR>> NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks =
>on every=20
> track then BY<BR>=3D<BR>>JUST<BR>> pushing the ON button =
>track 1 of=20
> the Waves renvox preset then =3D<BR>>Faderworks<BR>> =
>DELAYS all=20
> other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the=20
> =3D<BR>>audio<BR>> track 1 for which faderworks ignores =
>the=20
> latency.<BR>> OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too =
>
> !!<BR>> It even substract latency !!!!<BR>> So by =
>putting a=20
> waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT=20
> =3D<BR>>mean<BR>> that faderworks will delay all others =
>again by 64=20
> samples !! , thus =3D<BR>>overall<BR>> latency WILL REMAIN =
>at 64=20
> samples, ONLY track 2 which was already 64 =
>=3D<BR>>samples<BR>> =20
> latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64=20
> =3D<BR>>samples<BR>> for this track =
>!!<BR>><BR>> Anyone=20
> understood what I typed in here ? :)<BR>> =
>Regards,<BR>> =20
> Dimitrios=3D20<BR>><BR>> eff H <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> >Dimitrios<BR>> ><BR>> =
>>How=20
> does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =
>example=3D20<BR>> =20
> >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> >JH<BR>> ><BR>> >wrote:<BR>> =
>>> I=20
> tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.<BR>> >> It holds =
>64=20
> presets with latencies so you can just click the on=20
> =3D<BR>>button<BR>> anytime<BR>> >> you =
>load the=20
> plugin...<BR>> >> Regards,<BR>> >>=20
> Dimitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
>fight=20
> spam, and you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=20
> http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html;=20
> =3D<BR>>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
>content=3D3D"MSHTML=20
> 6.00.2900.2180"=20
> =
>name=3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=
>D><BR>><BODY=20
> bgColor=3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> =
>size=3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=
>ONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you=20
> =3D<BR>>for=3D20<BR>>that. Now do=20
> the</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial =
>
> size=3D3D2>Paris automation lines still work on =3D<BR>>plugins=20
> that=3D20<BR>>are =
>being</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
>=3D<BR>>the=20
> =
>gui=3D20<BR>>screwey?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=
>ONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Meaning the time is=20
> =3D<BR>>offset?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> =
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =
>=3D<BR>>Faderworks do=20
> =
>you=3D20<BR>>actually</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=
>ONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris =
>=3D<BR>>plugin=20
> gui or=3D20<BR>>assign=20
> another</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =3D<BR>>channel? =
>
> This=3D20<BR>>has caused trouble=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>size=3D3D2>with mono/stereo =
>combinations and=20
> Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when should<BR>=3D<BR>>it =
>
> =
>be=3D20<BR>>available?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><=
>FONT=20
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I'm=20
> ready!</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>
> face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>=20
> =
></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20<BR>>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =
>0px;=20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
>2px solid;=20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Dimitrios"=20
> <<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
> wrote in =3D<BR>>message=3D20<BR>> <A =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>OK<B=
>'>news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>;<BR>OK<B</A>=3D<BR>>R>I=3D20<BR>> =20
> thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right words=20
> =3D<BR>>for<BR>it=3D20<BR>> =
>:)<BR><BR>You put=20
> faderworks on one of the native slots (you have=20
> four<BR>=3D<BR>><BR>> right?)<BR>I put it on the =
>first=20
> one.<BR>Then whatever you put on =3D<BR>>other =
>slots=3D20<BR>> =20
> it does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what is=20
> supposed<BR>=3D<BR>>to=3D20<BR>> =
>do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why=20
> should you use sampleslide when Faderworks=20
> has<BR>=3D<BR>>been=3D20<BR>> written<BR>to do this =
>for us only=20
> BETTER !<BR><BR>1. You put =
>=3D<BR>>faderworks=3D20<BR>> =20
> 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>2. If you wanna use a =
>stereo=20
> =3D<BR>>pair of=3D20<BR>> tracks the put the 2in/2out=20
> faderworks.<BR>3. I made a Default project<BR>=3D<BR>>with=20
> 64=3D20<BR>> (4 cards) faderworks instances =
>already<BR>loaded so=20
> no hassle=3D20<BR>> thereafter...<BR>4. If you make a =
>list with=20
> plugins and latencies (64<BR>=3D<BR>>for now=3D20<BR>> is =
>more=20
> than<BR>enouph) these will be remembered with every =
>new=3D20<BR>> =20
> project.<BR>Just remember to have the button in the OFF=20
> state.<BR>5. =3D<BR>>Even if=3D20<BR>> you use FFX4 =
>and/or=20
> chainer or other wrpper on other slots=20
> =3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>will=3D20<BR>> do whatever is =
>asked to=20
> do.<BR>6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY=20
> WORKS:<BR>The<BR>=3D<BR>>default=3D20<BR>> status of =
>the plugin=20
> is to ignore the latency status for=20
> =3D<BR>>the<BR>track=3D20<BR>> you are putting the=20
> plugin.<BR>For instance.<BR><BR>A. You put a=20
> waves<BR>=3D<BR>>renvox=3D20<BR>> on track 1 on slot two =
>either=20
> standalone or from<BR>withing the FFX4 =
>=3D<BR>>or=3D20<BR>> =20
> chainer...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is=20
> 64=3D20<BR>> samples.<BR>That MEANS that all other =
>Paris audio=20
> tracks are 64 =3D<BR>>samples ahead=3D20<BR>> of =
>track<BR>1 or=20
> if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.<BR>NOW =
>=3D<BR>>having=20
> in=3D20<BR>> mind that you have put Faderworks on every track =
>then BY=20
> =3D<BR>>JUST<BR>pushing the=3D20<BR>> ON button =
>track 1 of the=20
> Waves renvox preset then=20
> Faderworks<BR>DELAYS<BR>=3D<BR>>all=3D20<BR>> other =
>Paris audio=20
> tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the =
>=3D<BR>>audio<BR>track 1=20
> for=3D20<BR>> which faderworks ignores the =
>latency.<BR>OVERALL=20
> latency is displayed<BR>=3D<BR>>on every=3D20<BR>> track =
>too=20
> !!<BR>It even substract latency !!!!<BR>So by putting a=20
> =3D<BR>>waves=3D20<BR>> rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 =
>that does NOT=20
> mean<BR>that faderworks<BR>=3D<BR>>will=3D20<BR>> =
>delay all=20
> others again by 64 samples !! , thus overall<BR>latency=20
> WILL<BR>=3D<BR>>REMAIN=3D20<BR>> at 64 samples, ONLY track =
>2 which was=20
> already 64 samples<BR>latent =3D<BR>>because =
>of=3D20<BR>> track=20
> 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for this=20
> =3D<BR>>track=3D20<BR>> !!<BR><BR>Anyone =
>understood what I=20
> typed in here ?=20
> =3D<BR>>:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios=3D20<BR>> =20
> <BR><BR>eff H <<A=3D20<BR>> href=3D3D"<A=20
> =
>href=3D'mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20'>mailto=
>:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20</A><BR>&g=
>t; =20
> wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>How does this =
>
> function with =3D<BR>>plugins=3D20<BR>> inside a wrapper, =
>for example=20
> <BR>>autotune wrapped inside=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH<BR>><BR>>wrote:<=
>BR>>>=20
> I tried the =3D<BR>>beta1=3D20<BR>> and it is=20
> marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets with l
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95687 is a reply to message #95686] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 17:29 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
atencies so=20
> =3D<BR>>you can=3D20<BR>> just click the on=20
> button<BR>anytime<BR>>> you load =
>the=3D20<BR>> =20
> plugin...<BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>=20
> Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> size=3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =
>spam,=20
> =
>=3D<BR>>and=3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D20<BR>>href=3D3D" <A=20
> =
>href=3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=
>>=3D<BR>>.html</A> =20
> =
></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=
>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Hi,
You already know that all efforts towards PDC and its update was exclusively
for us Paris users !!
By now I guess there is no daw left without autonatic PDC, so...
According to the author's words:
"if someone feels that this update is worth an upgrade price, he can use
the "Donation Button" of MultiInspectorFree on the VertexDSP downloads page.
But I don't want to urge anyone - it is completely voluntary. Maybe you can
post this information in the PARIS forum."
Please note that depending on this donation efforst by us is MY PLAN to ask
from him to write an AUTOMATIC PDC for Paris !!!
He said he could do that but that would interest only us Paris users , so
who would buy this plugin ?
Regards,
DimitriosHi,
I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
and release of this super plugin.
Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...) will
be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
automatically.
If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your name
signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might work
this out.
Regards,
Dimitrios
1. Dimitrios BitzenisThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8A569.59D1CD10
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dimitrios,
I'll try it but I don't think that works.
Tom
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
news:480fa340$1@linux...
Dear Tom,
Maybe if you highlight in the automation editor everything and just =
nudge
back ?
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>D.,
>
>How do you offset the automation after it's been written?
>
>The king of stupid questions.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D
>news:480f206e$1@linux...
>
> Dear Tom,
> This is just a plugin so the latencies are just added afterall.
> So the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
=3D
>then
> after putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the =
=3D
>overall
> latency and offset the automation for that amount.
> I don't know when this will be released...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Dimitrios,
> >This all makes sense. Thank you for that. Now do the
> >Paris automation lines still work on plugins that are being
> >compensated for with Faderworks or is the gui screwey?
> >Meaning the time is offset?
> >
> >When using stereo instances of Faderworks do you actually
> >hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris plugin gui or assign another
> >mono instance for the adjacent channel? This has caused =
trouble=3D3D20
> >in my experience with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.
> >
> >Thanks for your answers and when should it be available?
> >I'm ready!
> >
> >Tom=3D3D20
> >
> > "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D3D
> >news:480cbb3a$1@linux...
> >
> > OK
> > I thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
=3D
>words
> =3D3D
> >for
> > it :)
> >
> > You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =3D
>right?)
> > I put it on the first one.
> > Then whatever you put on other slots it does not matter because =
=3D3D
> >faderworks
> > always does what is supposed to do.
> >
> > Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks has been =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >written
> > to do this for us only BETTER !
> >
> > 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.
> > 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks the put the 2in/2out =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >faderworks.
> > 3. I made a Default project with 64 (4 cards) faderworks =
instances
=3D
>=3D3D
> >already
> > loaded so no hassle thereafter...
> > 4. If you make a list with plugins and latencies (64 for now is =
=3D
>more =3D3D
> >than
> > enouph) these will be remembered with every new project.
> > Just remember to have the button in the OFF state.
> > 5. Even if you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other =
=3D
>slots
> =3D3D
> >faderworks
> > will do whatever is asked to do.
> > 6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY WORKS:
> > The default status of the plugin is to ignore the latency =
status =3D
>for
> =3D3D
> >the
> > track you are putting the plugin.
> > For instance.
> >
> > A. You put a waves renvox on track 1 on slot two either =
standalone
=3D
>or
> =3D3D
> >from
> > withing the FFX4 or chainer...
> > Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 samples.
> > That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples =
ahead =3D
>of =3D3D
> >track
> > 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.
> > NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks on every track =
then
=3D
>BY
> =3D3D
> >JUST
> > pushing the ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =
=3D3D
> >Faderworks
> > DELAYS all other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact =
=3D
>the =3D3D
> >audio
> > track 1 for which faderworks ignores the latency.
> > OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too !!
> > It even substract latency !!!!
> > So by putting a waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does =
NOT
=3D
>=3D3D
> >mean
> > that faderworks will delay all others again by 64 samples !! , =
thus
=3D
>=3D3D
> >overall
> > latency WILL REMAIN at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was =
already =3D
>64 =3D3D
> >samples
> > latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >samples
> > for this track !!
> >
> > Anyone understood what I typed in here ? :)
> > Regards,
> > Dimitrios=3D3D20
> >
> > eff H <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> > >Dimitrios
> > >
> > >How does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =3D
>example=3D3D20
> > >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?
> > >
> > >JH
> > >
> > >wrote:
> > >> I tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.
> > >> It holds 64 presets with latencies so you can just click the =
on
=3D
>=3D3D
> >button
> > anytime
> > >> you load the plugin...
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dimitrios
> >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
=3D3D
> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>This all makes sense. =
Thank you
=3D
>=3D3D
> >for=3D3D20
> >that. Now do the</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Paris automation lines =
still =3D
>work on =3D3D
> >plugins that=3D3D20
> >are being</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>compensated for with =
Faderworks
=3D
>or is =3D3D
> >the gui=3D3D20
> >screwey?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Meaning the time is =3D3D
> >offset?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>When using stereo =
instances of =3D
>=3D3D
> >Faderworks do you=3D3D20
> >actually</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in =
the =3D
>Paris =3D3D
> >plugin gui or=3D3D20
> >assign another</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>mono instance for the =
adjacent =3D
>=3D3D
> >channel? This=3D3D20
> >has caused trouble </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>in my experience =
</FONT><FONT =3D
>=3D3D
> >face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >size=3D3D3D2>with mono/stereo combinations and Paris.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks for your answers =
and when
=3D
>should
> =3D3D
> >it be=3D3D20
> >available?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm ready!</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> >style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px; =3D
>=3D3D
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> > href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
wrote
=3D
>in =3D3D
> >message=3D3D20
> > <A =3D3D
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><B=
R>O=3D
>K<B=3D3D
> >R>I=3D3D20
> > thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
words
=3D
>=3D3D
> >for<BR>it=3D3D20
> > :)<BR><BR>You put faderworks on one of the native slots (you =
have =3D
>four
> =3D3D
> >
> > right?)<BR>I put it on the first one.<BR>Then whatever you put =
on =3D
>=3D3D
> >other slots=3D3D20
> > it does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what is =3D
>supposed
> =3D3D
> >to=3D3D20
> > do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when =
Faderworks
=3D
>has
> =3D3D
> >been=3D3D20
> > written<BR>to do this for us only BETTER !<BR><BR>1. You put =
=3D3D
> >faderworks=3D3D20
> > 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>2. If you wanna use a =
=3D
>stereo =3D3D
> >pair of=3D3D20
> > tracks the put the 2in/2out faderworks.<BR>3. I made a Default =
=3D
>project
> =3D3D
> >with 64=3D3D20
> > (4 cards) faderworks instances already<BR>loaded so no =
hassle=3D3D20
> > thereafter...<BR>4. If you make a list with plugins and =
latencies =3D
>(64
> =3D3D
> >for now=3D3D20
> > is more than<BR>enouph) these will be remembered with every =3D
>new=3D3D20
> > project.<BR>Just remember to have the button in the OFF =3D
>state.<BR>5. =3D3D
> >Even if=3D3D20
> > you use FFX4 and/or chainer or other wrpper on other slots =3D3D
> >faderworks<BR>will=3D3D20
> > do whatever is asked to do.<BR>6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY =3D
>WORKS:<BR>The
> =3D3D
> >default=3D3D20
> > status of the plugin is to ignore the latency status for =3D3D
> >the<BR>track=3D3D20
> > you are putting the plugin.<BR>For instance.<BR><BR>A. You put a =
=3D
>waves
> =3D3D
> >renvox=3D3D20
> > on track 1 on slot two either standalone or from<BR>withing the =
=3D
>FFX4 =3D3D
> >or=3D3D20
> > chainer...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is =
=3D
>64=3D3D20
> > samples.<BR>That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 =
=3D3D
> >samples ahead=3D3D20
> > of track<BR>1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample =
latent.<BR>NOW =3D
>=3D3D
> >having in=3D3D20
> > mind that you have put Faderworks on every track then BY =3D3D
> >JUST<BR>pushing the=3D3D20
> > ON button track 1 of the Waves renvox preset then =3D
>Faderworks<BR>DELAYS
> =3D3D
> >all=3D3D20
> > other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the =3D3D
> >audio<BR>track 1 for=3D3D20
> > which faderworks ignores the latency.<BR>OVERALL latency is =3D
>displayed
> =3D3D
> >on every=3D3D20
> > track too !!<BR>It even substract latency !!!!<BR>So by putting =
a =3D
>=3D3D
> >waves=3D3D20
> > rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT mean<BR>that =3D
>faderworks
> =3D3D
> >will=3D3D20
> > delay all others again by 64 samples !! , thus =
overall<BR>latency =3D
>WILL
> =3D3D
> >REMAIN=3D3D20
> > at 64 samples, ONLY track 2 which was already 64 =
samples<BR>latent
=3D
>=3D3D
> >because of=3D3D20
> > track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for =
this
=3D
>=3D3D
> >track=3D3D20
> > !!<BR><BR>Anyone understood what I typed in here ? =3D3D
> >:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios=3D3D20
> > <BR><BR>eff H <<A=3D3D20
> > =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">Report message to a moderator
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95688 is a reply to message #95686] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 17:43 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
#64;excite.com" target="_blank">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D3D20
> > wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>How does this function with =3D3D
> >plugins=3D3D20
> > inside a wrapper, for example <BR>>autotune wrapped =
inside=3D3D20
> > FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH<BR>><BR>>wrote:<BR>>> I tried the =3D3D
> >beta1=3D3D20
> > and it is marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets with latencies so =
=3D
>=3D3D
> >you can=3D3D20
> > just click the on button<BR>anytime<BR>>> you load the=3D3D20
> > plugin...<BR>>> Regards,<BR>>> Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
fight =3D
>spam, =3D3D
> >and=3D3D20
> >you?<BR><A=3D3D20
> =3D
=
>>href=3D3D3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com=
/re=3D
>fer=3D3D
> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
>charset=3D3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>D.,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>How do you offset the automation =
after
=3D
>it's been=3D20
>written?</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The king of stupid =3D
>questions.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=3D20
>style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
=3D
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
in =3D
>message=3D20
> <A =3D
=
>href=3D3D"news:480f206e$1@linux">news:480f206e$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>D=
ear=3D
>=3D20
> Tom,<BR>This is just a plugin so the latencies are just added =3D
>afterall.<BR>So=3D20
> the automation could be made before doing any faderworks job and =
=3D
>then<BR>after=3D20
> putting all plugins with their latencies you just look at the=3D20
> overall<BR>latency and offset the automation for that amount.<BR>I =
=3D
>don't know=3D20
> when this will be released...<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Tom =
=3D
>Bruhl"=3D20
> <<A href=3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> =
=3D
>
> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>This all makes =3D
>sense. =3D20
> Thank you for that. Now do the<BR>>Paris automation lines =3D
>still work=3D20
> on plugins that are being<BR>>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
=3D
>the gui=3D20
> screwey?<BR>>Meaning the time is offset?<BR>><BR>>When using =3D
>stereo=3D20
> instances of Faderworks do you actually<BR>>hit the 'Stereo X box" =
=3D
>in the=3D20
> Paris plugin gui or assign another<BR>>mono instance for the =3D
>adjacent=3D20
> channel? This has caused trouble=3D3D20<BR>>in my experience =3D
>with=3D20
> mono/stereo combinations and Paris.<BR>><BR>>Thanks for your =3D
>answers and=3D20
> when should it be available?<BR>>I'm=3D20
> ready!<BR>><BR>>Tom=3D3D20<BR>><BR>> "Dimitrios" =3D
><<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote =
in =3D
>message=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>news:480cbb3a$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> =3D
>OK<BR>> I=3D20
> thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right=3D20
> words<BR>=3D3D<BR>>for<BR>> it :)<BR>><BR>> You =3D
>put=3D20
> faderworks on one of the native slots (you have four =3D
>right?)<BR>> I=3D20
> put it on the first one.<BR>> Then whatever you put on other =3D
>slots it=3D20
> does not matter because =3D3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> always =3D
>does what is=3D20
> supposed to do.<BR>><BR>> Tom, yes why should you use =3D
>sampleslide=3D20
> when Faderworks has been =3D3D<BR>>written<BR>> to do this =3D
>for us only=3D20
> BETTER !<BR>><BR>> 1. You put faderworks 1in/1out on every =3D
>Paris=3D20
> audio track.<BR>> 2. If you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks =3D
>the put=3D20
> the 2in/2out =3D3D<BR>>faderworks.<BR>> 3. I made a Default =3D
>project=3D20
> with 64 (4 cards) faderworks instances =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>already<BR>> loaded=3D20
> so no hassle thereafter...<BR>> 4. If you make a list with =3D
>plugins=3D20
> and latencies (64 for now is more =3D3D<BR>>than<BR>> =3D
>enouph) these=3D20
> will be remembered with every new project.<BR>> Just remember =3D
>to have=3D20
> the button in the OFF state.<BR>> 5. Even if you use FFX4 =3D
>and/or=3D20
> chainer or other wrpper on other =3D
>slots<BR>=3D3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>> =3D20
> will do whatever is asked to do.<BR>> 6 HERE IS HOW IT =3D
>ACTUALLY=3D20
> WORKS:<BR>> The default status of the plugin is to =3D
>ignore the=3D20
> latency status for<BR>=3D3D<BR>>the<BR>> track you are =3D
>putting the=3D20
> plugin.<BR>> For instance.<BR>><BR>> A. You put a =3D
>waves=3D20
> renvox on track 1 on slot two either standalone=3D20
> or<BR>=3D3D<BR>>from<BR>> withing the FFX4 or =3D
>chainer...<BR>> =3D20
> Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is 64 =3D
>samples.<BR>> =3D20
> That MEANS that all other Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead =
of=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>track<BR>> 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample=3D20
> latent.<BR>> NOW having in mind that you have put Faderworks =3D
>on every=3D20
> track then BY<BR>=3D3D<BR>>JUST<BR>> pushing the ON button =3D
>track 1 of=3D20
> the Waves renvox preset then =3D3D<BR>>Faderworks<BR>> =3D
>DELAYS all=3D20
> other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>audio<BR>> track 1 for which faderworks ignores =3D
>the=3D20
> latency.<BR>> OVERALL latency is displayed on every track too =3D
>
> !!<BR>> It even substract latency !!!!<BR>> So by =3D
>putting a=3D20
> waves rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 that does NOT=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>mean<BR>> that faderworks will delay all others =3D
>again by 64=3D20
> samples !! , thus =3D3D<BR>>overall<BR>> latency WILL REMAIN =3D
>at 64=3D20
> samples, ONLY track 2 which was already 64 =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>samples<BR>> =3D20
> latent because of track 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that =
64=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>samples<BR>> for this track =3D
>!!<BR>><BR>> Anyone=3D20
> understood what I typed in here ? :)<BR>> =3D
>Regards,<BR>> =3D20
> Dimitrios=3D3D20<BR>><BR>> eff H <<A=3D20
> href=3D3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D20
> wrote:<BR>> >Dimitrios<BR>> ><BR>> =3D
>>How=3D20
> does this function with plugins inside a wrapper, for =3D
>example=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> >autotune wrapped inside FFX4?<BR>> ><BR>> =3D20
> >JH<BR>> ><BR>> >wrote:<BR>> =3D
>>> I=3D20
> tried the beta1 and it is marvelous.<BR>> >> It holds =3D
>64=3D20
> presets with latencies so you can just click the on=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>button<BR>> anytime<BR>> >> you =3D
>load the=3D20
> plugin...<BR>> >> Regards,<BR>> >>=3D20
> Dimitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =3D
>fight=3D20
> spam, and you?<BR>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20
> <BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20
> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D20
> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D
>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20
> 6.00.2900.2180"=3D20
> =3D
>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D
>D><BR>><BODY=3D20
> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> =3D
>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D
>ONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>This all makes sense. Thank you=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>for=3D3D20<BR>>that. Now do=3D20
> the</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =3D
>
> size=3D3D3D2>Paris automation lines still work on =
=3D3D<BR>>plugins=3D20
> that=3D3D20<BR>>are =3D
>being</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>compensated for with Faderworks or is =
=3D
>=3D3D<BR>>the=3D20
> =3D
>gui=3D3D20<BR>>screwey?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D
>ONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Meaning the time is=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>offset?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =3D
></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>When using stereo instances of =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>Faderworks do=3D20
> =3D
>you=3D3D20<BR>>actually</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D
>ONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris =
=3D
>=3D3D<BR>>plugin=3D20
> gui or=3D3D20<BR>>assign=3D20
> another</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>mono instance for the adjacent =3D3D<BR>>channel? =3D
>
> This=3D3D20<BR>>has caused trouble=3D20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>in my experience </FONT><FONT=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D3D20<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>with mono/stereo =
=3D
>combinations and=3D20
> Paris.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>Thanks for your answers and when =
should<BR>=3D3D<BR>>it =3D
>
> =3D
>be=3D3D20<BR>>available?</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><=3D
>FONT=3D20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm=3D20
> ready!</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2>Tom </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D
>
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20
> =3D
></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: =3D
>0px;=3D20
> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =
=3D
>2px solid;=3D20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"Dimitrios"=3D20
> <<A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musur=
gio=3D
>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>message=3D3D20<BR>> <A =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>O=
K<B=3D
>'>news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=3D
>;<BR>OK<B</A>=3D3D<BR>>R>I=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> thought I already explained but maybe I did not use the right =
words=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>for<BR>it=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>:)<BR><BR>You put=3D20
> faderworks on one of the native slots (you have=3D20
> four<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> right?)<BR>I put it on the =3D
>first=3D20
> one.<BR>Then whatever you put on =3D3D<BR>>other =3D
>slots=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> it does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what is=3D20
> supposed<BR>=3D3D<BR>>to=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why=3D20
> should you use sampleslide when Faderworks=3D20
> has<BR>=3D3D<BR>>been=3D3D20<BR>> written<BR>to do this =3D
>for us only=3D20
> BETTER !<BR><BR>1. You put =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>faderworks=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>2. If you wanna use a =3D
>stereo=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>pair of=3D3D20<BR>> tracks the put the 2in/2out=3D20
> faderworks.<BR>3. I made a Default project<BR>=3D3D<BR>>with=3D20
> 64=3D3D20<BR>> (4 cards) faderworks instances =3D
>already<BR>loaded so=3D20
> no hassle=3D3D20<BR>> thereafter...<BR>4. If you make a =3D
>list with=3D20
> plugins and latencies (64<BR>=3D3D<BR>>for now=3D3D20<BR>> is =3D
>more=3D20
> than<BR>enouph) these will be remembered with every =3D
>new=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> project.<BR>Just remember to have the button in the OFF=3D20
> state.<BR>5. =3D3D<BR>>Even if=3D3D20<BR>> you use FFX4 =3D
>and/or=3D20
> chainer or other wrpper on other slots=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>will=3D3D20<BR>> do whatever is =3D
>asked to=3D20
> do.<BR>6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY=3D20
> WORKS:<BR>The<BR>=3D3D<BR>>default=3D3D20<BR>> status of =3D
>the plugin=3D20
> is to ignore the latency status for=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>the<BR>track=3D3D20<BR>> you are putting the=3D20
> plugin.<BR>For instance.<BR><BR>A. You put a=3D20
> waves<BR>=3D3D<BR>>renvox=3D3D20<BR>> on track 1 on slot two =3D
>either=3D20
> standalone or
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95689 is a reply to message #95688] |
Wed, 06 February 2008 16:48 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
from<BR>withing the FFX4 =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>or=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> chainer...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces is=3D20
> 64=3D3D20<BR>> samples.<BR>That MEANS that all other =3D
>Paris audio=3D20
> tracks are 64 =3D3D<BR>>samples ahead=3D3D20<BR>> of =3D
>track<BR>1 or=3D20
> if you like ,track 1 is 64 sample latent.<BR>NOW =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>having=3D20
> in=3D3D20<BR>> mind that you have put Faderworks on every track =
=3D
>then BY=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>JUST<BR>pushing the=3D3D20<BR>> ON button =3D
>track 1 of the=3D20
> Waves renvox preset then=3D20
> Faderworks<BR>DELAYS<BR>=3D3D<BR>>all=3D3D20<BR>> other =3D
>Paris audio=3D20
> tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact the =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>audio<BR>track 1=3D20
> for=3D3D20<BR>> which faderworks ignores the =3D
>latency.<BR>OVERALL=3D20
> latency is displayed<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on every=3D3D20<BR>> track =3D
>too=3D20
> !!<BR>It even substract latency !!!!<BR>So by putting a=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D20<BR>> rencomp (64 samples) on track 2 =3D
>that does NOT=3D20
> mean<BR>that faderworks<BR>=3D3D<BR>>will=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>delay all=3D20
> others again by 64 samples !! , thus overall<BR>latency=3D20
> WILL<BR>=3D3D<BR>>REMAIN=3D3D20<BR>> at 64 samples, ONLY track =3D
>2 which was=3D20
> already 64 samples<BR>latent =3D3D<BR>>because =3D
>of=3D3D20<BR>> track=3D20
> 1 now faderworks just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for this=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>track=3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR><BR>Anyone =3D
>understood what I=3D20
> typed in here ?=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> <BR><BR>eff H <<A=3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D3D20'>m=
ailto=3D
>:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D
>t; =3D20
> wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>How does this =3D
>
> function with =3D3D<BR>>plugins=3D3D20<BR>> inside a wrapper, =3D
>for example=3D20
> <BR>>autotune wrapped inside=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> =3D
>FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH<BR>><BR>>wrote:<=3D
>BR>>>=3D20
> I tried the =3D3D<BR>>beta1=3D3D20<BR>> and it is=3D20
> marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets with latencies so=3D20
> =3D3D<BR>>you can=3D3D20<BR>> just click the on=3D20
> button<BR>anytime<BR>>> you load =3D
>the=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
> plugin...<BR>>> Regards,<BR>>>=3D20
> Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D20
> size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight =3D
>spam,=3D20
> =3D
>=3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=3D3D20<BR>>href=3D3D3D "<A=3D20
> =3D
=
>href=3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/re=
fer=3D
=
>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=3D=
>>=3D3D<BR>>.html</A> =3D20
> =3D
></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></=3D
>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C8A569.59D1CD10
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll try it but I don't think that=20
works.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:480fa340$1@linux">news:480fa340$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dear=
=20
Tom,<BR>Maybe if you highlight in the automation editor everything and =
just=20
nudge<BR>back ?<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>D.,<BR>> <BR>>How do you offset the =
automation after it's been written?<BR>><BR>>The king of stupid=20
questions.<BR>><BR>>Tom<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>> =20
"Dimitrios" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote in message =
=3D<BR>>news:480f206e$1@linux...<BR>><BR>> Dear=20
Tom,<BR>> This is just a plugin so the latencies are just =
added=20
afterall.<BR>> So the automation could be made before doing =
any=20
faderworks job and =3D<BR>>then<BR>> after putting all =
plugins with=20
their latencies you just look at the =3D<BR>>overall<BR>> =
latency=20
and offset the automation for that amount.<BR>> I don't know =
when=20
this will be released...<BR>> Regards,<BR>> =20
Dimitrios<BR>><BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> =20
>Dimitrios,<BR>> >This all makes sense. Thank you =
for=20
that. Now do the<BR>> >Paris automation lines still =
work on=20
plugins that are being<BR>> >compensated for with =
Faderworks or is=20
the gui screwey?<BR>> >Meaning the time is =
offset?<BR>> =20
><BR>> >When using stereo instances of Faderworks do =
you=20
actually<BR>> >hit the 'Stereo X box" in the Paris plugin =
gui or=20
assign another<BR>> >mono instance for the adjacent =
channel? =20
This has caused trouble=3D3D20<BR>> >in my experience with =
mono/stereo combinations and Paris.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
>Thanks for your answers and when should it be =
available?<BR>> =20
>I'm ready!<BR>> ><BR>> =
>Tom=3D3D20<BR>> =20
><BR>> > "Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
message=20
=3D3D<BR>> >news:480cbb3a$1@linux...<BR>> =20
><BR>> > OK<BR>> > I thought I =
already=20
explained but maybe I did not use the right =
=3D<BR>>words<BR>> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >for<BR>> > it =
:)<BR>> =20
><BR>> > You put faderworks on one of the native =
slots=20
(you have four =3D<BR>>right?)<BR>> > I put it on =
the first=20
one.<BR>> > Then whatever you put on other slots it =
does not=20
matter because =3D3D<BR>> >faderworks<BR>> =
> =20
always does what is supposed to do.<BR>> ><BR>> =20
> Tom, yes why should you use sampleslide when Faderworks has =
been=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >written<BR>> > to =
do this for=20
us only BETTER !<BR>> ><BR>> > 1. You =
put=20
faderworks 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>> =
> 2. If=20
you wanna use a stereo pair of tracks the put the 2in/2out=20
=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >faderworks.<BR>> =
> 3. I made=20
a Default project with 64 (4 cards) faderworks=20
instances<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >already<BR>> =
> =20
loaded so no hassle thereafter...<BR>> > 4. If you =
make a=20
list with plugins and latencies (64 for now is =3D<BR>>more =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>than<BR>> > enouph) these will be remembered =
with every=20
new project.<BR>> > Just remember to have the button =
in the=20
OFF state.<BR>> > 5. Even if you use FFX4 and/or =
chainer or=20
other wrpper on other =3D<BR>>slots<BR>> =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>faderworks<BR>> > will do whatever is asked to=20
do.<BR>> > 6 HERE IS HOW IT ACTUALLY =
WORKS:<BR>> =20
> The default status of the plugin is to ignore the =
latency=20
status =3D<BR>>for<BR>> =3D3D<BR>> =
>the<BR>> =20
> track you are putting the plugin.<BR>> > =
For=20
instance.<BR>> ><BR>> > A. You put a =
waves=20
renvox on track 1 on slot two either =
standalone<BR>=3D<BR>>or<BR>> =20
=3D3D<BR>> >from<BR>> > withing the FFX4 =
or=20
chainer...<BR>> > Now the actual latency this plugin =
introduces is 64 samples.<BR>> > That MEANS that all =
other=20
Paris audio tracks are 64 samples ahead =3D<BR>>of =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>track<BR>> > 1 or if you like ,track 1 is 64 =
sample=20
latent.<BR>> > NOW having in mind that you have put=20
Faderworks on every track then<BR>=3D<BR>>BY<BR>> =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>JUST<BR>> > pushing the ON button track 1 of the =
Waves=20
renvox preset then =3D3D<BR>> >Faderworks<BR>> =
> =20
DELAYS all other Paris audio tracks by 64 samples LEAVING intact =
=3D<BR>>the=20
=3D3D<BR>> >audio<BR>> > track 1 for =
which=20
faderworks ignores the latency.<BR>> > OVERALL =
latency is=20
displayed on every track too !!<BR>> > It even =
substract=20
latency !!!!<BR>> > So by putting a waves rencomp =
(64=20
samples) on track 2 that does NOT<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =20
>mean<BR>> > that faderworks will delay all =
others again=20
by 64 samples !! , thus<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =20
>overall<BR>> > latency WILL REMAIN at 64 =
samples, ONLY=20
track 2 which was already =3D<BR>>64 =3D3D<BR>> =20
>samples<BR>> > latent because of track 1 now =
faderworks=20
just SUBSTRACTS that 64 =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =
>samples<BR>> =20
> for this track !!<BR>> ><BR>> =
> =20
Anyone understood what I typed in here ? :)<BR>> > =20
Regards,<BR>> > Dimitrios=3D3D20<BR>> =20
><BR>> > eff H <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>> > >Dimitrios<BR>> > =
><BR>> > >How does this function with plugins =
inside a=20
wrapper, for =3D<BR>>example=3D3D20<BR>> > =
>autotune=20
wrapped inside FFX4?<BR>> > ><BR>> =
> =20
>JH<BR>> > ><BR>> > =20
>wrote:<BR>> > >> I tried the beta1 and it =
is=20
marvelous.<BR>> > >> It holds 64 presets with=20
latencies so you can just click the =
on<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =20
>button<BR>> > anytime<BR>> > =
>>=20
you load the plugin...<BR>> > >>=20
Regards,<BR>> > >> Dimitrios<BR>> =20
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >I choose =
Polesoft=20
Lockspam to fight spam, and you?<BR>> =20
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20<BR>> =20
><BR>> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=20
Transitional//EN"><BR>> =
><HTML><HEAD><BR>> =20
><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html;=20
=3D3D<BR>> >charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>> =
><META=20
content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" =
name=3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>> =20
><STYLE></STYLE><BR>> =
></HEAD><BR>> =20
><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></ DIV> <BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>This all =
makes=20
sense. Thank you<BR>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> =20
>for=3D3D20<BR>> >that. Now do=20
the</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Paris automation lines still =
=3D<BR>>work on=20
=3D3D<BR>> >plugins that=3D3D20<BR>> >are=20
being</FONT></DIV><BR>> ><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>compensated for with =
Faderworks<BR>=3D<BR>>or is=20
=3D3D<BR>> >the gui=3D3D20<BR>> =20
>screwey?</FONT></DIV><BR >> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Meaning the time is =
=3D3D<BR>> =20
>offset?</FONT></DIV><BR >> =
><DIV><FONT=20
face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV><BR>> =20
><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>When using =
stereo=20
instances of =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>> >Faderworks do=20
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95731 is a reply to message #95660] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 16:11 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
/FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =
>size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>Thanks =
>for your answers=20
> and when should<BR>=3D3D<BR>>it =
>=3D<BR>><BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>be=3D3D20<BR>>available?</FONT></DIV><=
>BR>><DIV><=3D<BR>>FONT=3D20<BR>> =20
> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm=3D20<BR>> =20
> ready!</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> =
>size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=20
> </DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>> size=3D3D3D2>Tom=20
> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
> =3D<BR>><BR>> face=3D3D3DArial=20
> size=3D3D3D2></FONT>=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>>s=
>tyle=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=20
> =3D<BR>>0px;=3D20<BR>> PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
>5px;=20
> =3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 =3D<BR>>2px =
>solid;=3D20<BR>> =20
> MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> =20
> <DIV>"Dimitrios"=3D20<BR>> =
><<A=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr<=
>/A'>mailto:musurgio=3D<BR>>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A&=
>lt;/A>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>message=3D3D20<BR>> <A=20
> =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'news:480cbb3a$1@linux">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</=
>A>...</DIV><BR>OK<B=3D<BR>>'>news:480cbb3a$1@linu=
>x">news:480cbb3a$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=3D<BR>>;<BR>=
>;OK<B</A>=3D3D<BR>>R>I=3D3D20<BR>>=20
> =3D20<BR>> thought I already explained but maybe I did not =
>use the=20
> right words=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>for<BR>it=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D<BR>>:)<BR><BR>You put=3D20<BR>> faderworks =
>on one of=20
> the native slots (you have=3D20<BR>> =20
> four<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> =
>right?)<BR>I put it=20
> on the =3D<BR>>first=3D20<BR>> one.<BR>Then whatever =
>you put on=20
> =3D3D<BR>>other =3D<BR>>slots=3D3D20<BR>> =
>=3D20<BR>> it=20
> does not matter because faderworks<BR>always does what=20
> is=3D20<BR>> =20
> supposed<BR>=3D3D<BR>>to=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D<BR>>do.<BR><BR>Tom, yes why=3D20<BR>> =
>should you use=20
> sampleslide when Faderworks=3D20<BR>> =20
> has<BR>=3D3D<BR>>been=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> written<BR>to do this =3D<BR>>for us only=3D20<BR>> =
>BETTER=20
> !<BR><BR>1. You put=20
> =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>faderworks=3D3D20<BR>> =
>=3D20<BR>> =20
> 1in/1out on every Paris audio track.<BR>2. If you wanna use a=20
> =3D<BR>>stereo=3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>pair=20
> of=3D3D20<BR>> tracks the put the =
>2in/2out=3D20<BR>> =20
> faderworks.<BR>3. I made a Default=20
> project<BR>=3D3D<BR>>with=3D20<BR>> =20
> 64=3D3D20<BR>> (4 cards) faderworks instances=20
> =3D<BR>>already<BR>loaded so=3D20<BR>> no=20
> hassle=3D3D20<BR>> thereafter...<BR>4. If you =
>make a=20
> =3D<BR>>list with=3D20<BR>> plugins and latencies=20
> (64<BR>=3D3D<BR>>for now=3D3D20<BR>> is=20
> =3D<BR>>more=3D20<BR>> than<BR>enouph) these will be =
>remembered=20
> with every =3D<BR>>new=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =20
> project.<BR>Just remember to have the button in the =
>OFF=3D20<BR>> =20
> state.<BR>5. =3D3D<BR>>Even =
>if=3D3D20<BR>> you use=20
> FFX4 =3D<BR>>and/or=3D20<BR>> chainer or other wrpper on =
>other=20
> slots=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>faderworks<BR>will=3D3D20<BR>> =
>do whatever=20
> is =3D<BR>>asked to=3D20<BR>> do.<BR>6 HERE IS HOW =
>IT=20
> ACTUALLY=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>WORKS:<BR>The<BR>=3D3D<BR>>default=3D3D20<BR>&=
>gt; =20
> status of =3D<BR>>the plugin=3D20<BR>> is to ignore =
>the latency=20
> status for=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>the<BR>track=3D3D20<BR>> you =
>are putting=20
> the=3D20<BR>> plugin.<BR>For =
>instance.<BR><BR>A. You=20
> put a=3D20<BR>> =20
> waves<BR>=3D3D<BR>>renvox=3D3D20<BR>> on =
>track 1 on=20
> slot two =3D<BR>>either=3D20<BR>> standalone or =
>from<BR>withing=20
> the FFX4 =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>or=3D3D20<BR>> =
>=3D20<BR>> =20
> chainer...<BR>Now the actual latency this plugin introduces=20
> is=3D20<BR>> 64=3D3D20<BR>> =
>samples.<BR>That MEANS=20
> that all other =3D<BR>>Paris audio=3D20<BR>> tracks are 64 =
>
> =3D3D<BR>>samples ahead=3D3D20<BR>> of=20
> =3D<BR>>track<BR>1 or=3D20<BR>> if you like ,track 1 =
>is 64=20
> sample latent.<BR>NOW =
>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>having=3D20<BR>> =20
> in=3D3D20<BR>> mind that you have put Faderworks on =
>every track=20
> =3D<BR>>then BY=3D20<BR>> =
>=3D3D<BR>>JUST<BR>pushing=20
> the=3D3D20<BR>> ON button =3D<BR>>track 1 of=20
> the=3D20<BR>> Waves renvox preset then=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>Faderworks<BR>DELAYS<BR>=3D3D<BR>>all=3D3D20<BR&g=
>t;> =20
> other =3D<BR>>Paris audio=3D20<BR>> tracks by 64 samples =
>LEAVING=20
> intact the =3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>audio<BR>track =
>1=3D20<BR>> =20
> for=3D3D20<BR>> which faderworks ignores the=20
> =3D<BR>>latency.<BR>OVERALL=3D20<BR>> latency is=20
> displayed<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on =
>every=3D3D20<BR>> track=20
> =3D<BR>>too=3D20<BR>> !!<BR>It even substract =
>latency=20
> !!!!<BR>So by putting a=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D20<BR>> rencomp (64 =
>samples) on track=20
> 2 =3D<BR>>that does NOT=3D20<BR>> mean<BR>that=20
> faderworks<BR>=3D3D<BR>>will=3D3D20<BR>> =
>
> =3D<BR>>delay all=3D20<BR>> others again by 64 samples !! =
>, thus=20
> overall<BR>latency=3D20<BR>> =20
> WILL<BR>=3D3D<BR>>REMAIN=3D3D20<BR>> at =
>64 samples,=20
> ONLY track =3D<BR>>2 which was=3D20<BR>> already 64=20
> samples<BR>latent =3D3D<BR>>because=20
> =3D<BR>>of=3D3D20<BR>> track=3D20<BR>> 1 =
>now faderworks=20
> just SUBSTRACTS that 64 samples<BR>for this=3D20<BR>> =20
> =3D3D<BR>>track=3D3D20<BR>> =
>!!<BR><BR>Anyone=20
> =3D<BR>>understood what I=3D20<BR>> typed in here =
>?=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D3D<BR>>:)<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios=3D3D20<BR&g=
>t;>=20
> =3D20<BR>> <BR><BR>eff H =
><<A=3D3D20<BR>> =20
> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com&l=
>t;/A>>=3D3D20'>mailto=3D<BR>>:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoove=
>r@excite.com</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D<BR>>t; =
>
> =3D20<BR>> =
>wrote:<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>How=20
> does this =3D<BR>><BR>> function with=20
> =3D3D<BR>>plugins=3D3D20<BR>> inside a =
>wrapper,=20
> =3D<BR>>for example=3D20<BR>> <BR>>autotune =
>wrapped=20
> inside=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>FFX4?<BR>><BR>>JH<BR>><BR>>=
>;wrote:<=3D<BR>>BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
> I tried the =3D3D<BR>>beta1=3D3D20<BR>> and it =
>
> is=3D20<BR>> marvelous.<BR>>> It holds 64 presets =
>with=20
> latencies so=3D20<BR>> =3D3D<BR>>you=20
> can=3D3D20<BR>> just click the on=3D20<BR>> =20
> button<BR>anytime<BR>>> you load=20
> =3D<BR>>the=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>> =
>plugin...<BR>>>=20
> Regards,<BR>>>=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>Dimitrios<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D=
>20<BR>> =20
> size=3D3D3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
>fight=20
> =3D<BR>>spam,=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D20<BR>>you?<BR><A=
>=3D3D20<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>>href=3D3D'http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.po=
>lesoft.com/refer=3D<BR>>'>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">ht=
>tp://www.polesoft.com/refer</A=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>.html&=
>lt;/A> =20
> =3D20<BR>> =20
> =
>=3D<BR>></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML><BR>&=
>gt;<BR>><BR></=3D<BR>>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY><=
>;/HTML><BR>><BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>I'm in...I also own the first Faderworks version, too... :)
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>I'm in for the automatic version too at $50.
>
>I've owned the existing one since you first mentioned it.
>I may donate for the update too once I see how it works
>for me.
>
>Tom B.
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95732 is a reply to message #95686] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 16:14 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
|
Senior Member |
|
|
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =
>news:480fa5ac$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this =
>will
> commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the =
>completion
> and release of this super plugin.
> Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...)
=
>will
> be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be =
>done
> automatically.
> If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your
=
>name
> signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
> If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might
=
>work
> this out.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> 1. Dimitrios Bitzenis
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm in for the automatic version too at
=
>
>$50.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've owned the existing one since you =
></FONT><FONT=20
>face=3DArial size=3D2>first mentioned it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I may donate for the update too once I
=
>see how it=20
>works</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for me.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom B.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A =
>href=3D"news:480fa5ac$1@linux">news:480fa5ac$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Hi,<=
>BR>I=20
> would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this=20
> will<BR>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the
=
>
> completion<BR>and release of this super plugin.<BR>Imagine a =
>Faderworks type=20
> of plugin where all vst (well almost all...) will<BR>be automatically=20
> recognised and so the latency compensation will be=20
> done<BR>automatically.<BR>If that graps any interest from any Paris =
>users=20
> please reply with your name<BR>signing and commited to pay-buy this=20
> plugin.<BR>If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks =
>author=20
> might work<BR>this out.<BR>Regards,<BR>Dimitrios<BR><BR>1. Dimitrios=20
>Bitzenis</BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
>you?<BR><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>Throw in an OS 9 version for Mac and I'm in!
Gantt
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
>and release of this super plugin.
>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...) will
>be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
>automatically.
>If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your name
>signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might work
>this out.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>1. Dimitrios BitzenisCount me in.
Will Wilson
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
>and release of this super plugin.
>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...) will
>be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
>automatically.
>If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your name
>signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might work
>this out.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>1. Dimitrios BitzenisThis is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C8A593.B83DE9E0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One non-newsgroup Paris user is also in.
Tom
"Will Wilson" <willtheweirdo@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:480fec1d$1@linux...
Count me in.
Will Wilson
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this =
will
>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the =
completion
>and release of this super plugin.
>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost =
all...) will
>be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be =
done
>automatically.
>If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with =
your name
>signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author =
might work
>this out.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>1. Dimitrios Bitzenis
I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C8A593.B83DE9E0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One non-newsgroup Paris user is also=20
in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Will Wilson" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:willtheweirdo@gmail.com">willtheweirdo@gmail.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:480fec1d$1@linux">news:480fec1d$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Coun=
t me=20
in.<BR>Will Wilson<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hi,<BR>>I would like to start a post here =
where=20
everyone that will sign this will<BR>>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I =
cam up=20
with that price) fee for the completion<BR>>and release of this =
super=20
plugin.<BR>>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well =
almost=20
all...) will<BR>>be automatically recognised and so the latency=20
compensation will be done<BR>>automatically.<BR>>If that graps =
any=20
interest from any Paris users please reply with your =
name<BR>>signing and=20
commited to pay-buy this plugin.<BR>>If enouph Paris users will =
sign then=20
maybe the Faderworks author might work<BR>>this=20
out.<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>> <BR>>1. Dimitrios=20
Bitzenis<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY ></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C8A593.B83DE9E0--I'm in if you can guide me through a pain free install!
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>One non-newsgroup Paris user is also in.
>
>Tom
>
>
> "Will Wilson" <willtheweirdo@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>news:480fec1d$1@linux...
>
> Count me in.
> Will Wilson
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >
> >Hi,
> >I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this
=
>will
> >commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the =
>completion
> >and release of this super plugin.
> >Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost =
>all...) will
> >be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be =
>done
> >automatically.
> >If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with =
>your name
> >signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
> >If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author =
>might work
> >this out.
> >Regards,
> >Dimitrios
> >
> >1. Dimitrios Bitzenis
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
><HTML><HEAD>
><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
><STYLE></STYLE>
></HEAD>
><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One non-newsgroup Paris user is also=20
>in.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Will Wilson" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:willtheweirdo@gmail.com">willtheweirdo@gmail.com</A>> =
>wrote in=20
> message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:480fec1d$1@linux">news:480fec1d$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Coun=
>t me=20
> in.<BR>Will Wilson<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hi,<BR>>I would like to start a post here =
>where=20
> everyone that will sign this will<BR>>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I =
>cam up=20
> with that price) fee for the completion<BR>>and release of this =
>super=20
> plugin.<BR>>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well =
>almost=20
> all...) will<BR>>be automatically recognised and so the latency=20
> compensation will be done<BR>>automatically.<BR>>If that graps =
>any=20
> interest from any Paris users please reply with your =
>name<BR>>signing and=20
> commited to pay-buy this plugin.<BR>>If enouph Paris users will =
>sign then=20
> maybe the Faderworks author might work<BR>>this=20
> out.<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>1. Dimitrios=20
>Bitzenis<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
>you?<BR><A=20
>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>Me too...
Cujo wrote:
> I'm in if you can guide me through a pain free install!
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>One non-newsgroup Paris user is also in.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>> "Will Wilson" <willtheweirdo@gmail.com> wrote in message =
>>news:480fec1d$1@linux...
>>
>> Count me in.
>> Will Wilson
>>
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi,
>> >I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this
>
> =
>
>>will
>> >commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the =
>>completion
>> >and release of this super plugin.
>> >Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost =
>>all...) will
>> >be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be =
>>done
>> >automatically.
>> >If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with =
>>your name
>> >signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>> >If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author =
>>might work
>> >this out.
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>> >
>> >1. Dimitrios Bitzenis
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One non-newsgroup Paris user is also=20
>>in.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><F
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK........I've had enough of this [message #95742 is a reply to message #95732] |
Thu, 07 February 2008 19:06 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
Registered: September 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
nce on
>
>>>>>>policy?),
>>>>>>not editors/writers(the Kristols, Buckley, et al), not military
>>>>>>people,
>>>>>nor
>>>>>>economists, religionists, nor ordinary people of any stripe. There is
>>> a
>>>>>streak
>>>>>>of tory paternalism in this that is anti democratic to its core:
>>>>>>governing
>>>>>>is the province of the elite alone. It's vintage Duke of Wellington.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By this logic, in fact, your OWN amateur pronouncements on politics
> must
>>>>>>be considered utterly without merit. Yet, if you had Tim Robbins's
>>>>>>platform,
>>>>>>considering how strongly held and sophisticated your viewpoint is, and
>>>>how
>>>>>>avidly you promote it even to this tiny audience here, would you
>>>>>>decline
>>>>>>such an opportunity to promote it to the world at large? I can't see
>>> it,
>>>>>>and I wouldn't fault you. Do you feel that Tim Robbins is less
>>>>>>politically
>>>>>>sophisticated than yourself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Venceremos!
>>>>>>bunuel
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I'm in
Don
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:480fa5ac$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
> I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
> commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
> and release of this super plugin.
> Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...)
> will
> be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
> automatically.
> If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your
> name
> signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
> If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might
> work
> this out.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> 1. Dimitrios BitzenisIn case you missed my post in your previous thread - if faderworks works in
PT there are a whole wack of PTLE users he can market the automatic PDC
to.
Don
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:48106cbc@linux...
> I'm in
>
> Don
>
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:480fa5ac$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>> I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
>> commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
>> and release of this super plugin.
>> Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...)
>> will
>> be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
>> automatically.
>> If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your
>> name
>> signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>> If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might
>> work
>> this out.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> 1. Dimitrios Bitzenis
>
>Prolly gone walkabout.
erlilo wrote:
> Hmmm Deej, what's going on? It's not you to be out here for a whole week and
> it seems noone have observed it yet:o)
>
> Erling
>
>Wow, Thad, if you don't ask her out...
...I might tell her some intricate plot details of "Little Dorit".
Sarah wrote:
> OK, thank you. That really does clear up your point of view for me. I
> admire that you do that much reading . . . I haven't the time or the
> attention span, otherwise I would, too.
>
> But still, how do you know what Tim Robbins knows? And how much does he
> need to know before making valid observations about the sleazy state of our
> media?
>
> I don't know. I respect and value any observant person's point of view. I
> learn a lot just here on the newsgroup, even from people I tend to
> vehemently agree with.
>
> But keep up the good work . . . I do admire a reader.
>
> S
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:480f5b09$1@linux...
>> Why would you think I would pay attention to politicians when reading and
>> thinking about politics and current affairs?
>>
>> OK, to give only a few examples. I read William S. Lind religiously. He is
>> a hidebound cultural conservative (which I abhor) but he's deeply read in
>> European military history and has done groundbreaking work on current war
>> fighting theory. I read Brian Clough and Stan Goff (both very much
>> liberals)
>> about counter insurgency because in addition to being highly educated they
>> actually fought in counter insurgencies for the US and Australia
>> respectively.
>> I read everything I can by Robert Fisk and Patrick Cockburn because they
>> speak good Arabic and have been reporting from the middle east for over 20
>> years each. They're generally 'left' though both are truly reporters, they
>> try to report what's happening. I read everything I can by Mike Whitney
>> because
>> he's so damn funny, his bits about the Iranian oil borse still bring tears
>> to my eyes. At the more macro level I read Pat Buchanan (again, not into
>> the catholic cultural conservatism, but he's a genuine anti-empire
>> conservative),
>> Gore Vidal, William Blum, and Matt Taibbi as much as I can.
>>
>> So, those are the KINDS of people I read. I would be thrilled if Robert
>> Fisk
>> talked to the NAB. But Tim Robbins? It's just a 'who cares' kind of thing.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>> According to Mr Amercian Heritage, politics is "the art or science of
>>> governing . . . " and to govern is "To make and administer the public
>>> policy
>>> and affairs of; exercise sovereign authority in." Hmm, OK, who should we
>> be
>>> listening to on this subject? Who are the "experts" and how did they get
>>> that way? Masters of Political Science? I don't think you'll find many
>> of
>>> those among our leaders. There are lot of lawyers in the ranks, but I'm
>> not
>>> sure that makes anyone an expert in governing. Is it time spent in the
>>> halls of congress that makes one an "expert"? So we should listen to the
>>> really old guys? . . . Ted Stevens leaps to mind. Or Ted Kennedy for that
>>> matter.
>>>
>>> Have you ever watched C-Span, or other examples of our government at work?
>>> Some of those people just don't strike me as our best and brightest. I
>> can
>>> only watch that stuff for about five minutes before I scream and change
>> the
>>> channel. It's just so intolerably slow and painfully dispassionate. If
>>> those are our experts, I can see why we're in serious trouble.
>>>
>>> Are there really any experts in politics/governing? Who are they, and
>>> what
>>> are their credentials? In our system of government, aren't WE essentially
>>> the government? Doesn't that mean give every one of us the "expertise,"
>>> possibly even the duty to speak up?
>>>
>>> It's possible, of course, "that government of the people, by the people,
>> for
>>> the people" has long since perished "from the earth." But maybe it's not
>>> dead, only sleeping.
>>>
>>> I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that most of the
>>> politically
>>> outspoken actors and rock stars express liberal points of view, which is
>>> understandably annoying to those of a conservative bent, and may be seen
>> as
>>> an unfair advantage in the "culture war."
>>>
>>> It would be nice if we could end the "culture war" and calmly, rationally,
>>> simply seek out the truth, but that just may go against human nature.
>>> We're
>>> far more invested in what we choose to believe.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:480d57a0$1@linux...
>>>> Nonsense. I don't use my skills in any one area to try to convince
>>>> anyone
>>>> of my knowledge in any other. I'm a very good IT guy, a decent amateur
>>>> historian,
>>>> and fairly widely read. However, I don't expect that because I know my
>> way
>>>> around the XP registry that anyone should take my opinions about
>>>> anything
>>>> else seriously. They're welcome to take it or leave it. Artists are
>>>> explicitly
>>>> or implicitly (usually explicitly) claiming that their status as an
>>>> artist
>>>> allows them some greater degree of insight into the world than the rest
>> of
>>>> us. They might even have that, insight into the world or the self. But
>>>> politics,
>>>> current events, environmental damage, and so forth have precious little
>> to
>>>> do with acting or playing guitar.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to take seriously people who have unique or at least unusual
>>>> backgrounds
>>>> that give them additional gravitas when covering a particular subject.
>> Tim
>>>> Robbins to me has borderline zero gravitas, I happen to agree with a
>>>> good
>>>> bit of what he says but I don't take his opinion all that seriously.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, most of what I talk about regarding US history, system
>>>> architecture,
>>>> and so forth can be checked against quality records as matters of fact.
>>>> The
>>>> god stuff not so much, although I think we're getting closer and closer
>> to
>>>> that all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, in my personal experience 'artists,' particularly actors and
>>>> musicians,
>>>> tend not to be terribly well informed people. It's rare that I get
>>>> anything
>>>> out of them but pretty vanilla American leftism. Writers are often,
>>>> though
>>>> certainly not always, another breed. I mean, I remember reading an
>>>> article
>>>> in Rolling Stone where an interviewer asked Duane Allman what he was
>>>> doing
>>>> for 'the revolution,' and Duane responded, 'Well, I'm striking a chord
>> for
>>>> peace.' I think it was then that I adopted the Wayne Coyne attitude of
>>>> listening
>>>> to my favorite musicians about music and not much else.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Napolean Blownapart" <nb@elba.net> wrote:
>>>>> Eh, Thad, if your logic isn't flawed, then you need to either quit the
>>>>> sponge
>>>>> monkeys or stop talking about god, the founding fathers, and systems
>>>>> architecture.
>>>>> If you still reserve the right to make music, be passionate about
>>>>> religion/sociology,
>>>>> history, and IT, then you've just shot your own argument in the ass.
>> By
>>>>> your own admission, you are not an expert in all (if any) of these
>>>>> fields.
>>>>>
>>>>> And for my next obiter dictum, since when does one need to be an expert
>>>> to
>>>>> make a valid observation or have a good idea? That's rather elitist,
>> no?
>>>>> NB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I don't think my logic is flawed. It's very difficult for one human
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> to become an expert in one field, much less two or three. I know, as
>> I
>>>> have
>>>>>> failed at a half dozen. Would you listen to Tim Robbins' opinions about
>>>>> maritime
>>>>>> archeology? Habermas? Cambodian architecture? Politics is as difficult
>>>> to
>>>>>> master as those, but somehow because someone is a good actor we are
>>>>>> supposed
>>>>>> to take their opinions seriously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This all stems, in my opinion, in the greatly overstated role that
>>>>>> 'artists'
>>>>>> played in various movements of the baby boomer's youth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On the contrary, Bill, I DO have a problem with him being an artist.
>>>> I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> like to listen to CEOs sing or watch accountants dance or look at
>>>>>>>> paintings
>>>>>>>> by politicians. There are plenty of well-informed commentators on
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> affairs who specialize on that, if Tim wants to make a difference he
>>>> should
>>>>>>>> volunteer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your reasoning seems flawed on this. The comparison is botched, if you
>>>>> will
>>>>>>> forgive me. The question ought to be: Do you want to hear a CEO, not
>>>>>>> sing,
>>>>>>> but make political pronouncements? And the answer must be no,
>>>>>>> according
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tim Robbins's occupation is irrelevant. He is an informed citizen and
>>>> that's
>>>>>>> all the qualification he needs to make stating his views in public not
>>>>> only
>>>>>>> legitimate but essential.It may be opportunism, but so what? From your
>>>>> perspective,
>>>>>>> nobody apart from the professional politician ought to be taken
>>>>>>> seriously
>>>>>>> on matters of policy, not CEOs (does Michael Bloomberg pronounce on
>>>>>>> policy?),
>>>>>>> not editors/writers(the Kristols, Buckley, et al), not military
>>>>>>> people,
>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>> economists, religionists, nor ordinary people of any stripe. There is
>>>> a
>>>>>> streak
>>>>>>> of tory paternalism in this that is anti democratic to its core:
>>>>>>> governing
>>>>>>> is the province of the elite alone. It's vintage Duke of Wellington.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By this logic, in fact, your OWN amateur pronouncements on politics
>> must
>>>>>>> be considered utterly without merit. Yet, if you had Tim Robbins's
>>>>>>> platform,
>>>>>>> considering how strongly held and sophisticated your viewpoint is, and
>>>>> how
>>>>>>> avidly you promote it even to this tiny audience here, would you
>>>>>>> decline
>>>>>>> such an opportunity to promote it to the world at large? I can't see
>>>> it,
>>>>>>> and I wouldn't fault you. Do you feel that Tim Robbins is less
>>>>>>> politically
>>>>>>> sophisticated than yourself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Venceremos!
>>>>>>> bunuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>Ok, me too.
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>I would like to start a post here where everyone that will sign this will
>commit to buy-pay a 50$ (I cam up with that price) fee for the completion
>and release of this super plugin.
>Imagine a Faderworks type of plugin where all vst (well almost all...) will
>be automatically recognised and so the latency compensation will be done
>automatically.
>If that graps any interest from any Paris users please reply with your name
>signing and commited to pay-buy this plugin.
>If enouph Paris users will sign then maybe the Faderworks author might work
>this out.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>1. Dimitrios BitzenisI'm in too.actually he's playing hide and go seek
the internet version
Olly olly ox in free!
;-)
D
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:4810885e@linux...
> Prolly gone walkabout.
>
> erlilo wrote:
>> Hmmm Deej, what's going on? It's not you to be out here for a whole week
>> and it seems noone have observed it yet:o)
>>
>> ErlingIn his case that must amount to many tech stores, computer outfits,
and music stores...
DC
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Prolly gone walkabout.
>
>erlilo wrote:
>> Hmmm Deej, what's going on? It's not you to be out here for a whole week
and
>> it seems noone have observed it yet:o)
>>
>> Erling
>>
>>I'm in!
Mark McDermott
"Dimitrios" <
|
|
|
|
| Re: How I spent my day part 1 [message #95793 is a reply to message #95581] |
Sat, 09 February 2008 11:09 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
Registered: February 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
anyone is interested:
>>>>
>>>> 1ms= 80 samples
>>>> 5ms= 240 samples
>>>> 10ms= 480 samples
>>>> 25ms= 1120 samples
>>>> 50ms= 2240 samples
>>>> 75ms= 3360 samples
>>>> 100ms= 4480 samples
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> also, using sampleslide to assist the nudge function....for UAD-1
>>>> plugins,
>>>> the Sampleslide presets were as follows:
>>>>
>>>> 1 Plugin 1536 (slide 4 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 1 Pultec 1523 (slide 4 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 2 Plugins 3072 (slide 8 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 2 Pultecs 3046 (slide 8 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 1 Plugin 1 Pultec 3059 (slide 8 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 2 Plugins 1 Pultec 4595 (slide 12 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 2 Pultecs 1 Plugin 4582 (slide 12 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 3 Plugins 4608 (slide 12 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>> 3 Pultecs 4569 (slide 12 x 100ms in Editor)
>>>>
>>>> I think I put this together back when UAD-1 latency was twice what it
>> is
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>> Well anyway....FWIW
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Tech was here this morning. We should be all good.
Speed seems much better. Hopefully we'll be sailing smooth from here.
Cheers,
Kim.I hate to tell you this Kim, but, today the NG is running slow and sluggish
on my end. I'm using the web, pages half load in about ten seconds and about
thirty seconds later the rest of the page loads. It could just be me???
How's it running for the rest of you?
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Tech was here this morning. We should be all good.
>
>Speed seems much better. Hopefully we'll be sailing smooth from here.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim."James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I hate to tell you this Kim, but, today the NG is running slow and sluggish
>on my end.
Ah. That might actually be me. ;-) It's only been fixed since the time on
that post, and since then I have downloaded a few things which were on the
list to download once things worked, so I imagine it's just me and the fact
that I haven't set up QOS on the router yet hence it doesn't know that you
guys should get at least a reasonable portion of the bandwidth when required.
But from what I'm seeing here it's running pretty well. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.Thanks Aaron! This is the MOBO I'm currently running with a P4 2.4GHz. It's
in a Antec tower with a Antec 400 watt SmartPower power supply. There is
some issues with memory with this MOBO, so I'm running only 512 k, I think
it's Kingston memory. PCI slots are standard 133.
When I have time I'm going to wipe a 160 GB drive to start fresh and install
Paris on XP. Do you think I should go with server pack 1 or 2?
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Looks like it should, but shut off the CPU hyperthreading in the BIOS. Other
>things to kill are serial/LPT ports, USB and onboard audio if you're
>planning on loading the PCI slots. If you're not using networking, kill
that
>also in the BIOS. These are not 'have to' things, but with 6 PCI slots I
bet
>there's a lot of PCI sharing going on.... and that can mean troubles.
>
>That brings my next question: what PCI spec are those slots, the web page
>didn't say. They look to be keyed properly in the photo FWIW, but I'd
>confirm it.
>
>Don't buy a cheap power supply, get something decent. Ditto the RAM. I buy
>only Crucial RAM (www.crucial.com) unless a mobo manufacturer specifically
>demands something else.
>
>AA
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:481213dc$1@linux...
>>
>> Will this MOBO run Paris XP ?
>>
>> MSI 648F Neo MS-6585
>>
>> http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=648F_Neo -L
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I hate to tell you this Kim, but, today the NG is running slow and sluggish
>>on my end.
>
>Ah. That might actually be me. ;-) It's only been fixed since the time on
>that post, and since then I have downloaded a few things which were on the
>list to download once things worked, so I imagine it's just me and the fact
>that I haven't set up QOS on the router yet hence it doesn't know that you
>guys should get at least a reasonable portion of the bandwidth when required.
>
>But from what I'm seeing here it's running pretty well. :o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
What in the heck would we do without you Kim? Thanks again!!!Yeah, I shoulda been clearer on this. I think your take is right, that it's
not *real* PDC.. however, if I stuff the UAD in another machine and ADAT
pipe it, this psuedo delay comp would be pretty good at keeping it all
automated and pretty close to the now line, as long as I input the right
info.
My whole thing was having to be a mathmatician just to keep up with the damn
thing, totally blowing out my listening vibe and turning into the black hole
of fun - which ain't productive. Now, it just might be :)
AA
"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
news:C437C27F.AC98%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
> Hmmmm... That would be insanely cool.
>
> Problem is - I don't think it's going to give *true* PDC, for this reason:
> VST plugs can only play a sample as the Now Line crawls over it; they have
> no idea what the next sample's going to be.
>
> So if I understand it correctly FaderWorks is more like a sophisticated
> series of automatically calculated delays - everything's still going to
> audibly shift to the right in relation to waveforms and previously-laid-in
> automation every time you put a plugin on it.
>
> You'll watch the waveform go by and then hear the kick it crawled over a
> second later - it's just going to automate the process of calculating that
> and keeping sample-acc
|
|
|
|
| Re: How I spent my day part 1 [message #95807 is a reply to message #95793] |
Sat, 09 February 2008 16:39 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
r DIY=20
mics<BR>> that<BR>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going =
for a=20
Neuman sound, but don't have<BR>> quite<BR>>>> the =
high-mid zing=20
that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.<BR>>>>=20
<BR>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with =
just a bit=20
of the limiter<BR>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the =
backing=20
vox. I've also had our SE<BR>> Ribbon,<BR>>>> a borrowed =
SE=20
Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but =
for<BR>>>>=20
male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.<BR>>>>=20
<BR>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good =
bang=20
for the buck.<BR>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but =
so far=20
but I've been using the<BR>> SSL<BR>>>> modeled Focusrite =
plugs=20
for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet<BR>>>> to=20
me.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> TCB <BR>>>> =
<BR>>>>=20
"Tyrone Corbett" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:tyronecorbett@comcast.net">tyronecorbett@comcast.net</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote:<BR>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain =
wise?=20
I'm using the following<BR>>>>> on most=20
projects.<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>> SE=20
Gemini<BR>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube=20
vibe)<BR>>>>> Neve Portico 5012<BR>>>>> Urie=20
1178<BR>>>> <BR>> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
and=20
you?<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
..html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY ></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C8A7AA.7A2827B0--That's some great info Chris...I appreciate your insight. I am terrified of
Vista for many reasons...mostly my ignorance.I feel that Microsoft was just
getting XP to be pretty good....
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:48125889@linux...
> HI ,
>
> Not sure what laptops you have been looking at so far. Having Intel chip
set and TI firewire chip set are the biggest things to look for.
> Most mainstream laptops especially budget ones use Ricoh or Via firewire
chip sets.
>
> It would only be a "nightmare" to uninstall Vista if the laptop makers had
locked out the BIOs so that it only functioned in AHCI or Raid mode for the
SATA controller.
> Otherwise it would be just that you would need a XP SP2 OEM install disk
with the Intel AHCI/RAID controller driver slipstreamed in to it.
>
> If you want to go the Vista route I would recommend using either Vista
business 32 or Business 64 edition for audio/video use.
> Sense laptops only use 4 gigs of ram total you would be best of using
Vista 32 business.
> Using the 32bit version will also help with some driver and program
support.
>
> I can guarantee that the Vista systems you get from the mainstream
manufacturers will be loaded down with 3rd party crap and all the bells and
whistles turn on full.
> You should check to make that the maker gives you a real OEM Vista Install
disk not a custom one.
> The custom ones will usually come with some of the junk software
pre-installed.
> So even if you wiped the drive and did an fresh install with that disk you
may still end up with all that junk there.
>
>
>
>
> Assuming you are using the right PC components then this is the audio
software and hardware that i know works fine with 32 and 64 vista
>
> Software -
>
> Sonar 7 32
> Sonar 7 64
> Cubase 4 32
> Cubase 4 64
> Reaper
> Native Instruments ( Current versions, not all the hardware stuff under
64)
> All of the most recent Steinberg plug ins and instruments.
> East west play Instruments
> Vienna instruments
> Probably some others just haven't tested em yet.
>
> Hardware-
> (these all work in 32 and 64 bit versions)
> RME All HDSP and Fireface devices
> MOTU PCI and Firewire
> Lynx
> UAD
>
> (32 bit only)
> Focusrite
> Presonus
> NI
> Novation
>
>
> The biggest gotcha on Vista 64 atm for the MIDI end of things is that MOTU
are pretty much the only people making a USB midi device with 64bit driver
support.
>
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> tonehouse wrote:
> > Thanks Chris...If it does actually work,what software and hardware is
being
> > used? I am having a difficult time finding a good laptop without Vista
> > already being installed...they said it was a nightmare to uninstall
> > Vista.....
> > "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
> > news:48122942@linux...
> >> Hi,
> >> Works fine depending on your hardware software.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >>
> >>
> >> tonehouse wrote:
> >>> Anybody successfully using Vista on anything?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Chris Ludwig
> >>
> >> ADK Pro Audio
> >> (859) 635-5762
> >> www.adkproaudio.com
> >> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.comis that the presonus Faderport?
"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
news:48134065$1@linux...
>
> Instead of having an application built for Paris, why not just use
> Faderport
> in a wrapper? I must be missing something, and it wouldn't be the first
> time.....:)Soory, I meant FaderWorks. Sometimes the fingers work faster than the brain...
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>is that the presonus Faderport?
>
>
>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
>news:48134065$1@linux...
>>
>> Instead of having an application built for Paris, why not just use
>> Faderport
>> in a wrapper? I must be missing something, and it wouldn't be the first
>> time.....:)
>
>Instead of having an application built for Paris, why not just use FaderWorks
in a wrapper? I must be missing something, and it wouldn't be the first
time.....:)hahaha, polic
|
|
|
|
| Re: How I spent my day part 1 [message #95808 is a reply to message #95793] |
Sat, 09 February 2008 15:47 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
e boy ???
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>You dirty bizzare police boy;-), it's forbidden to official serve us these
>kind of unofficial sites, that seems to take controll over both of your
>heads and your writing arm;-)
>
>"John" <no@no.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:4812f7c9$1@linux...
>>
>> I found out what Deej has been up to.....
>>
>> http://www.pornosoundtracks.com/
>
>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
;)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>
>
>TCB
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>and
>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>that
>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>quite
>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>
>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
limiter
>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
SE
>Ribbon,
>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
for
>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>
>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>SSL
>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>> to me.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>> on most projects.
>>>>
>>>> SE Gemini
>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>> Urie 1178
>>>
>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar cabs.
I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and to
each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
just mix the two mics together.
It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his vox
up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all of
the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely percussive
sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks Deej!
Anything else you want to get rid of?
TCB
"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
>
>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns
to
>wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>
>;)
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>SE
>>Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
>>
>I have a friend who has a BIG mic. He's in love. I have not yet tried it.
gantt
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Anyone tried these out yet? Vince Gill and Amy Grant seem to like them,
and
>I might be off base but I seem to recall being pleasantly surprised by the
>price.
>
>http://www.bigmics.com/nav-page.html
>
>On 4/26/08 9:35 AM, in article 481359ec$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
'sound
>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>> good/interesting.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>> and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>> that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>> quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
SE
>> Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>> SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
>>
>Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
Peluso caps?
The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
- K
On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
wrote:
>
> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>
> ;)
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>> good/interesting.
>>
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>
>>> TCB wrote:
>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>> and
>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>> that
>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>> quite
>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>
>>>>
>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
> limiter
>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
> SE
>> Ribbon,
>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
> for
>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>
>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>> SSL
>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>> to me.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>
>>
>I'm compressing a bunch of files for a portable player to be used to
play rhythm trax for gigs. I need to use mp3 because I will need iTunes
to be able to access them. If you have done some testing do you think
256k mp3s are good enough that in a live situation one can't hear much diff?Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
Kerry Galloway wrote:
> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
> Peluso caps?
>
> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
> issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>
> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
>
> - K
>
> On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
> wrote:
>
>> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
>> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a 'sound
>>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>>> good/interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>
>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>> and
>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>> that
>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>> quite
>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>> limiter
>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>> SE
>>> Ribbon,
>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>> for
>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>> SSL
>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>> Urie 1178
>LOL. Okay, left myself wide open for that one.
I wonder how Wendy's mics would sound? Fat? Greasy? Lots of sizzle?
- Kerry
On 4/27/08 1:37 PM, in article 4814e6bb$1@linux, "Bill L"
<bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
> Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
> what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
> orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
>
> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
>> Peluso caps?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
>> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
>> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
>> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
>> issue if you're local. I'd imagine he got bitten by the old "expertise in
>> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
>> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>>
>> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.
>>
>> - K
>>
>> On 4/27/08 9:10 AM, in article 4814a55c$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.us>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>>> the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>>> to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns to
>>> wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>>> one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>>> the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on that
>>> Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>>> I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>>
>>> ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool becau
|
|
|
|
| Re: How I spent my day part 1 [message #95809 is a reply to message #95807] |
Sat, 09 February 2008 15:52 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
|
se it's not a
>>>> 'sound
>>>> like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>>> talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as
>>>> good/interesting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>> and
>>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY mics
>>>> that
>>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>>> quite
>>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>> limiter
>>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>> SE
>>>> Ribbon,
>>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>> for
>>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the buck.
>>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using the
>>>> SSL
>>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty sweet
>>>>>> to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the
>>>>>>> following
>>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>>> Urie 1178
>>Thadster, is there much/any of a difference between the
Claytorbuilt mic you got from Deej vs. the one you got from me?
Just wondering, because I know Mike did Deej's with a Peluso
capsule & the one you got from me was the "oringal" project mod,
which kept the stock capsule.
Neil
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Yup, you shanked that one Deej. He he ;-)
>
>The other place that mic found LOTS of work was, of all places, guitar cabs.
>I tracked all of my geetars using the 'Steve Albini Technique.' One dark
>mic (the SE ribbon), and one bright mic (the green/gold Claytor) pointed
>pretty close to the middle of the cone about a foot back. The guys in the
>band had a great time making fun of me meticulously lining up the mic capsules
>so they were as close to exactly the same distance off the speaker, and
to
>each other, as I could manage. What a sound, and EQ is almost never needed,
>just mix the two mics together.
>
>It also sounds great on one of the singers in the Monkies. He has a thinner,
>higher speaking voice than rest of us and somehow the Claytor beefs his
vox
>up a bit. It's just a little more flattering than the BLUE.
>
>Oh, that Claytor is also a GREAT acoustic guitar mic. I used it on all of
>the acoustics pointed right at the neck at about the 10th fret. Lovely percussive
>sounding acoustic geetars. Yup, that mic really sucks.
>
>Sorry you lost that mic. OK, that's a lie. I'm not sorry at all. Thanks
Deej!
>Anything else you want to get rid of?
>
>TCB
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.us> wrote:
>>
>>I miss that green Clayor mic with the gold windscreen. I think it was easily
>>the equal of my Peluso 2247.........and in some cases a better/easier mic
>>to use. The Peluso can do the job, but there are lots of polar patterns
>to
>>wade through to nail a source. the Claytorbilt just did it effortless with
>>one polar pattern (and it has a Peluso capsule, BTW). The cardioid PP on
>>the Peluso 2247 isn't nearly as flattering to most sources as it is on
that
>>Claytorbilt. I've learned to live with the Peluso and I like it fine, but
>>I FU'ed selling that Claytorbilt. I'm glad it ended up in good hands.
>>
>>;)
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yup, we've used it on a lot of stuff. Kind of cool because it's not a
'sound
>>>like' mic. It sounds like itself. I'm a little surprised more people don't
>>>talk about that mic. I also wonder if the other BLUE mics are as good/interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>I think the Baby Bottle is a very nice mic.
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> We've been tracking Monkievox for the past few weeks. So far my voice
>>>and
>>>>> one of the singer's voices are sounding best through a BLUE Baby Bottle.
>>>>> The other singer is sounding better through one of the Claytor DIY
mics
>>>that
>>>>> Deej sold me. It's definitely going for a Neuman sound, but don't have
>>>quite
>>>>> the high-mid zing that tends to turn me off from some of their mics.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For pre/comp we've either used a Langevin DVC with just a bit of the
>>limiter
>>>>> coming in or the Sytek on some of the backing vox. I've also had our
>>SE
>>>Ribbon,
>>>>> a borrowed SE Gemini, and a couple of other mics up on the stand but
>>for
>>>>> male vox we're settled on the Bottle or the Claytor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not the fanciest chain by any stretch but pretty good bang for the
buck.
>>>>> I've only done a little test mixing but so far but I've been using
the
>>>SSL
>>>>> modeled Focusrite plugs for EQ/Comp when mixing. They sound pretty
sweet
>>>>> to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Hey guys, what's everyone doing vocal chain wise? I'm using the following
>>>>>> on most projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SE Gemini
>>>>>> Avalon 757Sp (a little tube vibe)
>>>>>> Neve Portico 5012
>>>>>> Urie 1178
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>And that unusual square capsule
Kerry Galloway wrote:
> LOL. Okay, left myself wide open for that one.
>
> I wonder how Wendy's mics would sound? Fat? Greasy? Lots of sizzle?
>
> - Kerry
>
>
>
> On 4/27/08 1:37 PM, in article 4814e6bb$1@linux, "Bill L"
> <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, he's dead, so you would have to ask his daughter Wendy, although
>> what she knows about mics can't be too much - I mean she's got frickin'
>> orange hair and braids that stick out sideways fer cryin out loud.
>>
>> Kerry Galloway wrote:
>>> Did you ever get a chance to try the Dave Thomas modded APEX mics with the
>>> Peluso caps?
>>>
>>> The reason I ask is that Dave is a friend of a friend and lives locally. The
>>> friends I know that have them completely rave about them - the prime
>>> complaint that I heard about the Thomas mods online, that he hit a bad patch
>>> with servicing orders and took a hit to his reputation, is apparently not an
>>> issue if you're local. I'd imagine
|
|
|
|
| Re: How I spent my day part 1 [message #95810 is a reply to message #95809] |
Sat, 09 February 2008 17:13 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
he got bitten by the old "expertise in
>>> one's field of specialization does not automatically confer expertise at
>>> running a business past a certain level of complexity" thing.
>>>
>>> Curious if anyone had any experience with them.<
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Wed May 06 09:25:56 PDT 2026
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.04249 seconds
|
The PARIS Forums
Search
Help
Members
Register
Login
Home
