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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matched pair [message #69570 is a reply to message #69565] |
Thu, 22 June 2006 02:49   |
Martin Harrington
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matched pair [message #69583 is a reply to message #69580] |
Wed, 21 June 2006 16:38 |
Aaron Allen
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gt; >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can
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>>say
>>>>you
>>>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
>>been
>>> able
>>>>> to
>>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
>=
>>night
>>>>> I
>>>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
>=
>>find
>>>>> one
>>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on
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>>our
>>> OSX
>>>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
>>between
>>>>> Macs
>>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
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>>them
>>>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
>=
>>users
>>>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
>>always
>>> the
>>>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>> >
>>>>> >In fact,
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matched pair [message #69584 is a reply to message #69575] |
Wed, 21 June 2006 16:43 |
Aaron Allen
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unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
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>>the
>>>>> best
>>>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
>=
>>Macs
>>>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>widespread
>>>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
>=
>>repair
>>>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
>=
>>do
>>> yo
>>>>ur
>>>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't =
>>exactly
>>>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as
=
>>every
>>>>> new
>>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard =
>>time
>>>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices
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>>put
>>>>them.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
>>closed,
>>>>and
>>>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I
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>>don't.
>>>>> It
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matchedpair [message #69587 is a reply to message #69584] |
Wed, 21 June 2006 22:17 |
audioguy_editout_
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will run more software than a PC, =
>>and
>>> they
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> for years. For some that will be worth the price of admission,
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>>for
>>>>others
>>>>> >> it's not important. Macs have been able to run Mac and Windows
>>>>software
>>>>> >> since the early 90s, and UNIX since 2001. You can run more =
>>software
>>>>than
>>>>> >> a PC, and all the Major operating systems on one box. It's just
>>>>easier,
>>>>> >> faster and less expensive now. That could only be good for a =
>>studio.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'm sure you can build a cheaper box, but it will be hard to =
>>compete
>>>>with
>>>>> >> what apple is offering today! The new Mac Pro is a cool, sleek,
>=
>>high
>>>>> end
>>>>> >> machine. Look at the comparative costs to the Dell in the WWDC
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>>video.
>>>>> Sure
>>>>> >> you can DIY, or roll your own, but it just won't be the same. =
>>You'll
>>>>> save
>>>>> >> money up front, but not in the long run when you have to spend =
>>hours
>>>>tweaking,
>>>>> >> and fussing just to get your generic machine to work right.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Once again for me it's ease of use, less headaches, and time. =
>>And
>>> then
>>>>> >> there's
>>>>> >
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2matched pair [message #69590 is a reply to message #69589] |
Thu, 22 June 2006 04:33 |
Deej [1]
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>>>>users.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Dedric
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> On 8/8/06 7:29 AM, in article 44d891c8@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> >>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> You don't need a Mac, your a PC guy. Besides, with in six =
>>months
>>>>you'll
>>>>> >>>> be able to build a PC that is as fast for less money.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> James
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>> Are these dual core Woodcrest CPU's the most recent ones that
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>>will
>>>>> >>>>>> outperform the Opterons? It does, indeed, look like a lot of
>>>>> >>>>>> machine......not that I would ever be interested in a Mac, =
>>you
>>>>understand.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> ;oD
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>>> news:44d7ba40$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>>> Check out the stuff about expansion. It all looks =
>>interesting,<
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matched pair [message #69617 is a reply to message #69616] |
Thu, 22 June 2006 20:01 |
Neil
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>> <TD vAlign=3Dtop width=3D1 colSpan=3D8 height=3D5>I know that v4.0 would not run on Win 9x. v3.9 was the last version that
will work with Paris on Win ME. Perhaps the same thing happened with UAD-1
software and Mac OS9 and everything after v3.7 needs OSX?
Deej
"Mike Mullin" <lunarlordship@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:44dbd89d$1@linux...
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> I think if you move back to version 3.7 your problems
> will go away. They did for me.
> cheers,
> Mike
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >Are there any other Mac guys using the UAD-1 plugins? I'm getting weird
> noises
> >- clicks and pops and loud fog-horn-like noises when I use the UAD-1
plugins.
> > It seems like I'm OK if I only use them on 4, maybe 5 tracks, but if my
> >usage meter gets up over 40% - 50% the strangeness begins. I have two
> cards,
> >so I would think I'd be able to run more plugins without problems. The
> UA
> >guys won't even try to help me once they find out I'm running Paris in OS
> >9! I tried re-installing Paris and the UAD-1 3.9 drivers withg no
luck...
> > I may try re-installing OS 9.
> >
> >I'm also having more crashes than usual, but I don't know that I can
attribute
> >them to UAD-1 issues.
> >
> >Gantt
>I know that some people said that they had some problems when they had too
much memory allocated to paris, but I haven't had any problems. You could
always try adjusting it though. Did you add any memory recently? Some times
that will mess things up.
You might try moving the UAD-1 cards around. I think they are suppose to
be in the number 1 and number 2 PCI slots. Don't quote me on that; )
James
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Hi James,
>
>Thanks for your responses to my questions... I have 1 gig of memory assigned
>to Paris. Don't the plugins get their memory from Paris? Is 1 gig too
much?
>
>Gantt
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>The noise could be a power supply issue, I'm not sure.
>>
>>If your having crashes, allocate more memory to the programs. That is
usually
>>the first thing everybody forgets to do. I hope that helps.
>>
>>James
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Are there any other Mac guys using the UAD-1 plugins? I'm getting weird
>>noises
>>>- clicks and pops and loud fog-horn-like noises when I use the UAD-1 plugins.
>>> It seems like I'm OK if I only use them on 4, maybe 5 tracks, but if
my
>>>usage meter gets up over 40% - 50% the strangeness begins. I have two
>>cards,
>>>so I would think I'd be able to run more plugins without problems. The
>>UA
>>>guys won't even try to help me once they find out I'm running Paris in
>OS
>>>9! I tried re-installing Paris and the UAD-1 3.9 drivers withg no luck...
>>> I may try re-installing OS 9.
>>>
>>>I'm also having more crashes than usual, but I don't know that I can attribute
>>>them to UAD-1 issues.
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>
>No matter what Dell will win the price wars, they sell more. When the MacBook
Pro came out the price was lower than a comparable Dell, with in a month
Dell had a $1,000.00 rebate on that model.
Injection molded plastic or extruded aluminum, there is a cost difference.
Push release hard drive trays. You get what you pay for.
We are back to what OS do you want to use. Does headache free ease of use
matter to you, or initial purchase price. I think it's what you like and
what your comfortable with. To eash his own.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>NOPE! I got the price right from Dell the other day, and it's also in DV
>Magazine, in a Dell print ad on the last page of the September issue I got
>three days ago. I'm thinking Dell did some price changes! Now who has
inflated
>prices?
>
>James
>
>
>"LaMont Davis" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>>Hi Arron,
>>James got that price from Apples keynote speech at WDC. it's typicle Apple,
>>pulling "old" princing info on product to justify their pricing.
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>------=_NextPart_001_00AA_01C6BC54.ADCC9B20
>>>
>>>I don't know where you're buying your Dells at (talk to me, I can =
>>>probably help you with that if you want one), but as a small business
=
>>>owner on the internet, this is what I saw. Note, I put TWO 3ghz dual =
>>>core xeon's in this config, a 160 GB disk, 3 year onsite =
>>>repair/replacement warranty, a 19" Flat Panel and a GB of RAM. Feel =
>>>free to post Apple specs, I'll match and I don't think you'll hit $4000
>>=
>>>on the Dell, not even close.=20
>>>
>>> a..=20
>>> a.. Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit=20
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>>> $2,417=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
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>>> Date 8/10/2006 8:02:28 AM Central =
>>>Standard Time=20
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>>> Catalog Number 5 Retail 555=20
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>>> Catalog Number / Description Product Code SKU
>>=
>>> Id=20
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>>> Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower - 32bit:
>>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 4M30 [222-1863] 1=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Operating System:
>>> Genuine Windows=AE XP Professional, SP2 with =
>>>Media XPP2E [420-4860] 11=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> 2nd Processor:
>>> Dual Core Intel=AE Xeon=AE Processor 5050 =
>>>3.00GHz, 2 X 2MB L2, 667 PR300 [311-5942] 2=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Graphic Cards:
>>> 128MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro NVS 285, Dual VGA
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>>>Capable NV285V [320-4760] 6=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Memory:
>>> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 533MHz, ECC (2 =
>>>DIMMS) 1G2E [311-5946] 3=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Hard Drive Configuration:
>>> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 or 2 drive total
>>=
>>>configuration SATA12 [341-3425] 9=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Boot Hard Drive:
>>> 160GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM NCQ Hard Drive with
>>=
>>>8MB DataBurst CacheT 160ST [341-3408] 8=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> CD-ROM, DVD, and Read-Write Devices:
>>> 48X/32X CD-RW/DVD Combo Drive with Cyberlink =
>>>Power DVDT COMBO [313-4295] 16=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Floppy Drive and Media Card Reader Options:
>>> 3.5 inch 1.44MB Floppy Drive FD [341-3690]
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>>>10=20
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>>> Monitors:
>>> Dell 19 inch E196 Flat Panel, Analog E196FP
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>>>[320-4425] 5=20
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>>> Wireless:
>>> Dell Wireless 1450 (802.11 a/b/g) WLAN USB 2.0
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>>>DT Adapter DW1450 [430-1181] 19=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Keyboard:
>>> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys U [310-7949]
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>>> 4=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Mouse:
>>> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
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>> =
>>>ELD [310-7959] 12=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Sound Card and 1394:
>>> 1394a Controller Card 1394 [313-4162] 17=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Speakers:
>>> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell INTSPK =
>>>[313-4160] 18=20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Resource CD:
>>> Resource CD - contains Diagnostics and Drivers
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>>>RCD [313-4174] 21=20
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>>> Hardware Support Services:
>>> 3 Year Business Standard Plan PAD3YR =
>>> [902-4902][970-0762][970-6330][981-8388][984-2797][984-2798] 29=20
>>> =20
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>>> No Onsite System Setup NOINSTL [900-9987]
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>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:44da0395$1@linux...
>>>>=20
>>>> As Tony said it's supply and demand. Apple doesn't mass produce the
>=
>>>number
>>>> of units that PC manufactures do, so there is going to be higher =
>>>costs.=20
>>>> It's also no secret that Apple has the highest margins in the =
>>>industry, because
>>>> they charge higher prices per unit. They have to to survive and =
>>>prosper.
>>>> They have higher R&D cost because their alone, they don't have the
=
>>>rest
>>>> of the industry doing R&D with them. They also don't have the mass
=
>>>production/number
>>>> of units. MS, Intel and AMD have invest in to other companies and =
>>>have helped
>>>> the with development dollars. It has been different for Apple. Now
>=
>>>they
>>>> are working with Intel, prices should start to go down over time, but
>>=
>>>it
>>>> will depend on the number of units sold.
>>>>=20
>>>> If you could charge three times your studio rate and get it would you?
>>=
>>> I
>>>> think most of us would. I know of studios that charge $300.00 an hour
>>=
>>>and
>>>> get it. I think it's crazy. There are hotels that charge 20 times
=
>>>the going
>>>> rate and get it. It's just a place to sleep at night, but there is
a
>>=
>>>difference.
>>>> Security might be one of those differences, others may be only =
>>>perceived
>>>> differences. We have different perspectives on the value of an Apple
>>=
>>>computer.
>>>> Apple can charge that rate and get it, so can you really blame them.
>>>>=20
>>>> I still think they are over priced, but look at what a new Dell =
>>>Precision
>>>> 490 cost, it's $3939.00 and the equivalent Apple is $3299.00. I =
>>>expect that
>>>> the Dell will cost less than the Apple in two months, because Dell =
>>>will buy
>>>> and sell more units, and get better pricing. Time will tell.
>>>>=20
>>>> Comparing Apple to building your own machine is a bit unfair. It =
>>>would be
>>>> like comparing Marlboro cigarettes to rolling your own, there's going
>>=
>>>to
>>>> be a big difference in price. Or generic cola to Coke a Cola. The
=
>>>reality
>>>> is building a PC is always going to be cheaper than a Mac. I can't
=
>>>speak
>>>> to fried mother boards, but I will say that Apple creates the software
>>=
>>>and
>>>> the hardware, and it is a tight integration that works well, and is
=
>>>for the
>>>> most part headache free.
>>>>=20
>>>> I will agree with you on O/S9, it is a bit of a kludge. They added
=
>>>doodads
>>>> and bolted stuff on to O/S 8 and pushed it out the door. They knew
=
>>>that
>>>> O/S 9 was dead. it was not their best effort. OSX is another story.
>>>>=20
>>>> Well that's my take on it.
>>>>=20
>>>> James
>>>>=20
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>they are like custom aircraft
>>>>>parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. <
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh brother!!!........what a load James. I like you, respect your =
>>>experience
>>>>>in the industry and enjoy your posts here, but please don't insult me
>>=
>>>with
>>>>>statements like this. The only reason they wouldn't make eonough of
=
>>>them
>>>> to
>>>>>be cheap would be that they didn't sell enough of them to justify =
>>>larger
>>>>>production runs or they just want to justify screwing the customer =
>>>when
>>>> one
>>>>>of their machines dies.............and knowing Apple, it's probably
a
>>=
>>>bit
>>>> of
>>>>>both.
>>>>>
>>>>>sheesh!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:44d96ef8$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do use both platforms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can put a Pioneer DVD drive in your Mac and it will work. Do
a
>>>>>search,
>>>>>> the are some Sony 16x models that will also work. Apple doesn't =
>>>make
>>>> the
>>>>>> system drives, so I don't see how you can blame the for that. You
>=
>>>might
>>>>>> want to call WD, Seagate, or who ever made the drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't looked at the inside of a new Mac, but I would bet that
=
>>>there
>>>>>are
>>>>>> some Apple chips in there, I'm thinking a ROM chip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Text editor, please, there are plenty of them out there that work,
>=
>>>some
>>>>>are
>>>>>> free some are not. What's wrong with text edit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some sites:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities_editors_macosx.htm l
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.nisus.com/Express/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://macromates.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.tex-edit.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.jedit.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://smultron.sourceforge.net/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your right Apple MOBOs have always been expensive, they are like =
>>>custom
>>>>>aircraft
>>>>>> parts, they just don't make enough of them to be cheap. You may be
>>=
>>>able
>>>>>> to slap a PC MOBO in the new Mac Pro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your talking about a four or five year old machine as if it were a
>=
>>>current
>>>>>> model. Which Dual do you have?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would bet that if you really looked you would find more Apple =
>>>repair
>>>>>centers
>>>>>> and dealers in your area. CompUSA and I believe Best Buy also does
>=
>>>service
>>>>>> now. You can always send your machine to Apple, they will even send
>>=
>>>out
>>>>>> a shipping box in some cases. Apple has vary quick turnaround.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some Apple service info:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/buy/locator/service.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/products/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/diy/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's a quick search of service locations in CO.:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> locations near Colorado Springs, CO
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Voelker Research
>>>>>> . 5026 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80918
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 7690 N Academy Blvd?Colorado Springs, CO 80920
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA
>>>>>> . 8691 Park Meadows Center Dr?Littleton, CO 80124
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Macmall
>>>>>> . 7355 E Orchard Rd #300?Englewood, CO 80111
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . CompUSA #672- Littleton
>>>>>> . 8601 West Cross Drive?Littleton, CO 80123
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Netbuilders
>>>>>> . 3225 S Wadsworth Blvd Unit D?Lakewood, CO 80227
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| Re: OT but still audio: ok, I gotta ask about this: Behr C2 matched pair [message #69619 is a reply to message #69614] |
Thu, 22 June 2006 21:35 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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gt;>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Kolter.com LLC
>>>>>> . 305 W Colorado Ave?Trinidad, CO 81082
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Power Technology Solutions Grp Inc.
>>>>>> . 112 S 3rd Ave?Sterling, CO 80751
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Connecting Point
>>>>>> . 3223 E Pershing Blvd?Cheyenne, WY 82001
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Collins Consulting
>>>>>> . 630 Woofter Ave?Colby, KS 67701
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> . Connecting Point Durango
>>>>>> . 835 Main Avenue #215?Durango, CO 81301
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> >James - Lamont pointed out the Nuendo on OSX is a Nuendo issue -
=
>>>it's
>>>>>only
>>>>>> >relevant to Nuendo users considering a platform.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >As far as hardware? Macs are no longer different in the chipset
>>>>>department
>>>>>> >(cpu), unless they will still be relegated to motherboards with a
>=
>>>locked
>>>>>> >bios chip (e.g. Mac/OSX specific). Therein would lie the same =
>>>problem
>>>> we
>>>>>> >are facing now - to fix our lemon dual G4 would cost $700 for a new
>>>>>> >motherboard. If it were a PC I could replace it for less than =
>>>$100.
>>>>>Also,
>>>>>> >replacing the bad "superdrive" (won't burn CDs anymore - just =
>>>DVDs),
>>>> is
>>>>>> >limited to spec'd drives (one I believe, not the 25 or so I have
=
>>>options
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >on my PC). Anything else might not even work, according to Apple.
>> =
>>>With
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >PC, that would be a 5 minute, $79 fix. I've also replaced the =
>>>system
>>>>>drive
>>>>>> >twice on this Mac. I've had 5 PCs and never had to do any of the
>=
>>>above.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >As far as software - sure if you need 3 operating systems, you can
>>=
>>>say
>>>>>you
>>>>>> >can run more software - at least open it. However, I've always =
>>>been
>>>> able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >find whatever I needed for PC, but not so with our Macs - just last
>>=
>>>night
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> >tried to find a simple text editor (other than OSX's), but couldn't
>>=
>>>find
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> >that actually worked. I've run into more "problems" like this on
>=
>>>our
>>>> OSX
>>>>>> >Mac than anywhere else, sad to say.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In reality, Apple may seem to have narrowed the competitive gap =
>>>between
>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>> >and PCs, but they have also further blurred the line that separates
>>=
>>>them
>>>>>> >from a PC functionally and technically - it all could backfire once
>>=
>>>users
>>>>>> >start to see them as even more interchangeable (e.g. price is =
>>>always
>>>> the
>>>>>> >first deciding factor for the majority of buyers in any market).
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >In fact, unlocking OSX to run on any Intel platform could be either
>>=
>>>the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> >move they make, or the last. That's really all that's left to set
>>=
>>>Macs
>>>>>> >apart now... They don't win on repair costs, hardware costs, or
>>>>>widespread
>>>>>> >availability (one Apple service center in Co. Springs - tons of PC
>>=
>>>repair
>>>>>> >options, including Geek Squad for those so inclined... if you don't
>>=
>>>do
>>>> yo
>>>>>ur
>>>>>> >own). With a starting price of $2500 for a new Mac, they aren't
=
>>>exactly
>>>>>> >competing for a larger market share now - pretty much the same as
>=
>>>every
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> >model before. As analysts have observed, Apple will have a hard
=
>>>time
>>>>>> >winning the corporate/server market, and that's where their prices
>>=
>>>put
>>>>>them.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >So, why would I want to run Windows or Unix on more expensive, =
>>>closed,
>>>>>and
>>>>>> >costly to repair, and impossible to upgrade hardware platform? I
>=
>>>don't.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> >just doesn't make economic sense. Great marketing tactic for those
>>=
>>>that
>>>>>> >haven't used both though.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Regards,
>>>>>> >Dedric
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >On 8/8/06 4:07 PM, in article 44d90b0c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>> ><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I don't know about Nuendo, I was under the impression that it ran
>>=
>>>well
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> >> a Mac??? If it's a problem, I'm sure they will get it fixed in
>=
>>>short
>>>>>> order.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> As far as mac hardware goes, Mac is still a Mac, just different
>>=
>>>chips.
>>>>>> >> Software? Every Mac shipping will run more software than a PC,
=
>>>and
>>>> they
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>
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