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Tue, 27 November 2007 12:51

John [1]
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at is costly to replace or
> crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's reasoning is based on the
> fact that he's enamoured with the chique (sp?) of Apple, rather than
> just getting

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93127 is a reply to message #93123]

Tue, 27 November 2007 13:06

Chris Ludwig

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> >>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way anybody who
>>>> needs a computer would have to set it up, it�s a $4,000 1.6Ghz, 64GB
>>>> box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing Vista box or a smokin�
>>>> MacBook Pro."
>>>>
>>>> Hypberbole. He's blaming Apple for the cost of a solid state drive.
>>>> This makes no sense. Notice that the price he complains about is the
>>>> price WITH the flash drive option. Yet Apple actually charges less
>>>> than

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Re: Best cheap dirt near fields? [message #93129 is a reply to message #93127]

Tue, 27 November 2007 13:19

Carl Amburn

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nk may be the most

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93130 is a reply to message #93123]

Tue, 27 November 2007 14:39

Neil
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>>>> important announcement of MacWorld for future impact on Apple's
>>>> growth. He did like the Time Capsule, which is at least interesting.
>>>> He hates the iPhone and AT&T, so he'll just have to keep complaining
>>>> about that until their exclusive relationship ends.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93133 is a reply to message #93127]

Tue, 27 November 2007 16:29

John [1]
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tween $1100 and $2800 for one
>> of the six base m

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93149 is a reply to message #93123]

Wed, 28 November 2007 08:31

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bleeding edge for $2-4k to email Aunt Sally and store the
>>>>> family photo album.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's what he's saying. The box he's complaining
>>>> about _is_ under $2K (configured the way most people who care about
>>>> price would buy it). Just because he stupidly overpaid for his Mac
>>>> doesn't mean others will. But if that's your complaint, there are
>>>> Macs for less than $2k.
>>>>
>>>> If the general complaint about Apple is price, then it should be
>>>> noted that the new desktop boxes are less expensive than Dell's, and
>>>> the new super light notebook is less expensive than Sony's (and
>>>> under 2K in the standard configuration).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The MacBook, feels cheap, and while it has good specs and isn

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93153 is a reply to message #93149]

Wed, 28 November 2007 10:27

TCB
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ad but not a great analysis. He phoned it in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I�m walking around with a $4,700 MacBook Pro laptop that could
>>>>>> easily be replaced by $1,500 Windows kit."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If price were the issue, he would have paid a lot less for the
>>>>>> MacBook Pro and added 3rd party RAM at considerable savings. So he
>>>>>> blows his credibility right off the top with that exaggerated
>>>>>> comparison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way anybody
>>>>>> who needs a computer would have to set it up, it�s a $4,000
>>>>>> 1.6Ghz, 64GB box. The same 4k buys you a mind-blowing Vista box or
>>>>>> a smokin� MacBook Pro."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hypberbole. He's blaming Apple for the cost of a solid state
>>>>>> drive. This makes no sense. Notice that the price he complains
>>>>>> about is the price WITH the flash drive option. Yet Apple actually
>>>>>> charges less than street price to add that drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If price

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93154 is a reply to message #93153]

Wed, 28 November 2007 09:55

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is the issue, it's too soon to buy a 54GB solid state
>>>>>> drive on ANY laptop, not just Apple's. Also, he adds the SSD to
>>>>>> the MacBook Air and then compares that configuration to laptops
>>>>>> without an SSD. If that's the comparison, then he should compare
>>>>>> the $1700 non-SSD version of the Air to the other subnotebooks.
>>>>>> And at that point he has little point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He could have complained about the lack of firewire or groused
>>>>>> about the need for an adapter to use ethernet, but he didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The movie studios like this, I like it! However, Wall Street
>>>>>> didn�t seem to like it at all. Apple shares were down $9.74 to
>>>>>> $169.04 the day after Steve�s speech."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The article I linked the other day showed that Apple shares
>>>>>> usually go down after the keynote. Also, the entire market took a
>>>>>> hit on Wednesday for issues not directly related to a speech by
>>>>>> Steve Jobs. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I really wanted to see something really great and useful from
>>>>>> Apple this week. On the top of my wishlist was a true
>>>>>> sub-notebook. Something I could throw in a portfolio or briefcase
>>>>>> for short hops."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since he's not complaining about a lack of ports, I don't know why
>>>>>> the Air doesn't fulfill that role for him. Maybe he's too cool to
>>>>>> buy the base version with the hard drive.
>&g

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93157 is a reply to message #93154]

Wed, 28 November 2007 13:50

John [1]
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ok
>>> reports ;-).
>>>
&g

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93173 is a reply to message #93123]

Thu, 29 November 2007 05:14

Don Nafe

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the family
>>
>>>>> photo album.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that's what he's saying. The box he's complaining about
>> _is_
>>>> under $2K (configured the way most people who care about price would
buy
>>
>>>> it). Just because he stupidly overpaid for his Mac doesn't mean others
>>
>>>> will. But if that's your complaint, there are Macs for less than $2k.
>>>>
>>>>

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93175 is a reply to message #93173]

Thu, 29 November 2007 07:06

John [1]
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mplying that the only reason people buy Macs is to be "brand
>>
>>>> loyal and hip," you're wrong. That doesn't apply to most of the Mac

>>>> users
>>
>>>> I know, who own Macs to get work done and chose them as the preferred
>> tool
>>>> given the options. Frankly, I would rather be using B

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93195 is a reply to message #93175]

Fri, 30 November 2007 00:36

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r /> >> the biggest monopolies (and yes, marketing organizations) on earth. As
>> you imply, some of that choice is illusionary. But not all.
>>
>> If Apple still had clones there would be more choice for OSX boxes, if
>> Apple could have survived that (I think yes but those who justify
>> dropping the Mac clones long ago think it saved the company).
>>
>>
>>> If I could get a MacMini with the option to trick it out with 8G and
>>> a second SATA drive it would be seriously enticing
>>> for peripheral sample libraries (you need to come down and see this
>>> in action - it's a beautiful thing to offload that much
>>> processing). I know other composers that would have gone that route
&g

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93198 is a reply to message #93195]

Fri, 30 November 2007 06:57

Neil
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/> >>>>> desktop release with more than
>>>>> 3 models... so, "every" means "every". That's not called
>>>>> hyperbole, it's called history. ;-))
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I misunderstood you. I saw "hyperbole" in your

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93217 is a reply to message #93198]

Fri, 30 November 2007 17:58

John [1]
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take
a
>> nice long look at this. I think for me two Mix thingys + one Control would
>> be pretty sweet.
>>

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93218 is a reply to message #93217]

Fri, 30 November 2007 18:05

Neil
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;
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ok.. I just went over to the Euphonix site, and I saw the new artist
>>>series
>>>MC/MC-Mix.. I'm very impressed.
>>>
>>> http://euphon221.securesites.net/artist/products/artist_syst ems/overview.php
>>>
>>>Those early pictures did not do these babies justice. Nice. And, I can

>>>configue
>>>thes babies for a very (Cosmetics) nice setup...
>>>Think BrianT's(Paris setup with the 4 Mec's and screens..
>>>
>>>I'm actually floored and I'm "eating" my words. Nice Job Euphonix..

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93233 is a reply to message #93218]

Sat, 01 December 2007 06:27

John [1]
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retty much identical (it
>>>>
> does
>
>>>> have a partially aluminum case, and feels better than the Ma

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93285 is a reply to message #93218]

Sun, 02 December 2007 19:04

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he stupidly overpaid for his Mac doesn't mean others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> will. But if that's your complaint, there are Macs for less than
$2k.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the general complaint about Apple is price, then it should be
noted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that the new desktop boxes are less expensive than Dell's, and the
>new
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> super light notebook is less expensive than Sony's (and under 2K
in
>>>>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>> standard configuration).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The MacBook, feels cheap, and while it has good specs and isn't
really
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> out of line with a comparable PC laptop, it sits alone in it's sub
>>>>>>>>
>>> $2k
>>>
>>>>>>>> price point in the Apple lineup.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Other than the Mac Mini and iMac. Oh, you mean laptops. Yes, except
>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>>>>> the low end MacBook Pro and the new MacBook Air, sans flash drive.
>As
>>>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>>>> "feeling cheap," the MacBook does have a plastic case. But my wife
>has
>>>>>>>
>>>>> one
>>>>>
>>>>>>> (G4 version); it seems reasonably rugged and has held up well. It
>also
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gets better wireless reception than my metal-clad Powerbook.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My laptop cost $750 and has comparable specs to the Macbook, but
>with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> more I/O (it's closer to the Macbook pro in feature set - not psyched
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> about Vista on it, but I can't deny it gets the same job done for
>a
>>>>>>>>
>>> lot
>>>
>>>>>>>> less money).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's good to have choices. Apple is only one choice. If another choice
>>>>>>>
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>>> better for you, by all means buy it. If everyone bought a Mac, Apple
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be insufferable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Competition is good. On the flip side, if Apple weren't pushing the
>>>>>>> envelope, the other companies building commodity MSWindows boxes
would
>>>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>> less motivated to give you stuff you like. So keep buying what moves
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> be it Apple or someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The same is true of desktops. So his point is based on his opening
>>>>>>>> comments about being enamoured with all things Apple.
>>>>>>>> Sure, he could have gone cheaper, but money is hardly a concern
for
>>>>>>>> Shelly considering his success - it's just a reference point
>>>>>>>> that he could have spent 1/3 of what he did and accomplished the
>same
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> amount of work, but being enamoured with Apple, he goes for the
gold
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instead. In other words, he's a victim of clever marketing - getting
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> you
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> to buy way more than you need or want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't speak for him, but I didn't buy way

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93286 is a reply to message #93198]

Sun, 02 December 2007 19:09

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more than I need or want,
>>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Mac.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you have the option to pay $1000 or less and get the same job
>>>>>>>>
>>> done
>>>
>>>>>>>> (depending on what job you are trying to accomplish of course),
vs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> going
>>&g

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Re: Best dirt cheap near fields? [message #93318 is a reply to message #93123]

Tue, 04 December 2007 21:19

Chris Latham

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gt;
>>>> Btw - I was in Best Buy today - there were probably 20 different
>>>> laptop models, and 30 desktop models there
>>>> to choose from. 2 iMacs, 1 desktop, and 3 laptops. Regardless of
>>>> prefer

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