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newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Nappy wrote:
> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new Mac
> Pro
> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>
> respect
> NappySony BMG Drops Music Copy Protection
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080108/D8U1N2IG0.html"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Sony BMG Drops Music Copy Protection
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080108/D8U1N2IG0.html
Don't worry, a dinosaur like Sony can still screw this up.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The move is far from the all-digital service offered by its rivals, though.
To obtain the Sony-BMG tracks, would-be listeners will first have to go to
a retail store to buy a Platinum MusicPass, a card containing a secret code,
for a suggested retail price of $12.99. Once they have scratched off the
card's covering to expose the code, they will be able to download one of
just 37 albums available through the service, including Britney Spears' "Blackout"
and Barry Manilow's "The Greatest Songs of the Seventies."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
TCBA dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for only
about $6k if you buy ram
somewhere else.
Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system from
Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400 from
Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on the
Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
pricing in general.
Dedric
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>
> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>
> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>
> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>
> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>
> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
> Nappy wrote:
>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new Mac
>> Pro
>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>
>> respect
>> NappyThere's not anything wrong with those F-16, other than the American
saying they have been toooooo ooooold for what's happening now. The
American want to sell this plane:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f35/ , but we don't know
how much lutefisk and lefse the US are willing to buy back or if they
want these kind of food at all;-)
EU wanted to sell this: http://www.eurofighter.com/ and love to buy
and eat our klipp/lutefisk and lefse but understand how the American
are willing to try to eat all we can export of these kind of food, if
we are buying 48 American planes. So EU jumped of that flight-wagon
when understanding that the Amercan wanted to give up McDonalds and
broilerchickens for Norwegian specialfood.
So now it's our bigbrother neighbour Sweden, that have a great kind of
echonomical weddingplans to show up with for us, if we want to buy
this plane: http://www.gripen.com/en/index.htm
So now Norway is behaving like a lady that wants a solid echonomical
safety, with two suitors that's doing nearly everything to get merried
with us, just to get some lutefish and lepse baked in North Sea Oil
back. Yes, we have a new product here to sell, not the old King Oscar
Sardines in old fat oil. That's being too old for me to remember, the
taste.
By the way, they were showing up Gripen here in the summertime, with
F-16 too - and the American is right when saying F-16 is toooo oooold.
Gripen had no problems at all to show this up on everything.
A flying story from Norway, with lutefisk, lefse and some love
searching military planepartners;-)
On 9 Jan 2008 01:53:31 +1000, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I might also be asking, if I were Norwegian, exactly what's wrong with those
>F-16s? Granted, Norway is menaced on one side by those notoriously warmongering
>Swedes and on the other side by, um, a very large number of fish. Many of
>those fish are cod, and you Norwegians have been infuriating them for a thousand
>years by turning them into lutefisk. That said, cod notably lack opposable
>thumbs, money, and the ability to survive outside of water for more than
>a few minutes, so I don't see them as likely to acquire any significant anti-aircraft
>capacity.
>
>This brings us back to the Swedes. I've never been to Norway but I visited
>Stockholm once and they might be winning in the 'Hot Nordic Babe Race' but
>I'm not sure even anti-ballistic missile systems would help with that.
>
>So, considering Norway's enviable geopolitical gifts (remote location, rough
>terrain, long and difficult to breach coastline, a high quality navy, extensive
>oil reserves and superb energy exploration skill, no ABBA), I might tell
>that US ambassador where to stick it. A good pilot in an F-16 can defend
>against nearly any damn plane in the world, and they're dirt cheap to repair
>and maintain. The planes it can't defend against are owned by the US, Russia,
>Israel, and India and if Norway winds up in a shooting war with one of those
>countries, well, it's time to hunker down with the lutefisk and lefse and
>sue for peace.
>
>TCB
>
>erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>>We've got the global realities with Bush's political and corrupt
>>"fascismbehavings" here in Norway too, as in the whole EU and western
>>world. Now we've got the laws here too that can control and save all
>>internet/e-mail/telephone traffic from everywhere for a long periode.
>>Great corruption is showing up in the light in Norway too, now
>>between many of the tops in our militarysystem and the international
>>weaponindustry. We shall also change out our old F-16 planes here in
>>Norway and had 3 different planes as choices. It's going so far that
>>the American ambassador here went out and said the friendship between
>>our nations could be in great danger, if we don't buy the correct one.
>>So, it shows up really well here, that the American weaponindustry and
>>their gouvernment are walking hand in hand, whereever their power of
>>weapon and money are making footprints in the world.
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:10:28 -0700, "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:478173bf@linux...
>>>> Deej,
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious about exactly which "global realities" you think he does
>not
>>>> understand?
>>>
>>>Bill & Ron says:
>>>BILL MOYERS: --who own, as you say, a lot of the media out there.
>>>RON PAUL: But I think it's still to this philosophy they believe in. They
>believe in
>>war. And they believe in the military industrial complex. And some of these
>companies
>>that are mixed in with making profits off war.
>>>
>>>I think that's a distorted crock, personally.
>>>
>>>BILL MOYERS: You remind me of something you told Tim Russet on MEET THE
>PRESS-- you
>>talked about fascism. Look at this piece of tape.
>>>
>>>RON PAUL (on MEET THE PRESS): Were not moving toward Hitler-type fascism,
>but we're
>>moving toward a softer fascism. Loss of civil liberties, corporations running
>the show,
>>big government in bed with big business. So you have the military industrial
>complex,
>>you have the medical industrial complex, you have the financial industry,
>you have
>>the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of
>millions of
>>dollars. That's where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism,
>>something that is very dangerous.
>>>
>>>yadda yadda....and then he says:
>>>
>>>RON PAUL: Yeah. Now we're living in an age today in this post-9/11 atmosphere
>where
>>our civil liberties are being undermined constantly. All in the name of
>safety and
>>security we're supposed to give up our rights for our privacy? We're allowed
>now to
>>accept the idea of secret prisons and secret renditions, and the lost of
>habeas corpus.
>>This is very, very dangerous. And I don't want to get to the point where
>it's hard
>>to reverse. Matter of fact, right now it's getting more difficult everyday
>to
>>reverse this trend, because the American people seem to so often say, "You
>know I want
>>to be-- I can't be free, if I'm not safe. So, I want my government to make
>me safe."
>>And they're willing to give up their liberties. And I'm convinced that you
>never have
>>to give up liberties to be safe. I think you're less safe when you give
>up your liberty
>>>
>>>I think Paul totally doesn't get the fact that due to our open society,
>our own laws
>>can be used against us in time of war......except if you don't believe we
>are at war,
>>in which case I say that his is dangerously in the twilight zone concerning
>some global
>>realities. We have always had to take certain measures that restricted our
>freedoms
>>during time of war.
>>>
>>> http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47051?current Page=all
>>>
>>>They were measures that were deemed necessary at the time and they have
>also always
>>been rescinded when the war ended. This is no different. Many of us are
>just in total
>>denial that we are at war.......a very real, down and dirty, no holds barred
>war.
>>>
>>>I also think that his foriegn policy is, despite trying to put a new sole
>on an old
>>shoe, isolationist, and all you have to do is look to history to see how
>that kind
>>of policy has allowed conflicts to fester and escalate until we are called
>upon to
>>field a massive military juggernaut in order to end a world war. If anyont
>thinks that
>>war is going to go away just because we do, they are living in Disneyland.
>All that
>>will happen is that we will just have to deal with a bigger mess on a larger
>scale
>>than we are doing now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed a tendency in the mainstream media to portray Ron Paul
>as
>>>> a kook or a crazy, without stating any specific reasons whatever. That
>
>>>> kind of covert slander of a person's sanity is really slimey IMHO.
>>>> That's what people do when they are really desperate to win an argument
>
>>>> and they have nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway I am fed up with the apathy we face in this country about
>>>> changing our government institutions and political system. I think we
>
>>>> can do something about it, and I like that Ron Paul is standing up to
>
>>>> say "I am the man who will do it." That takes a LOT of courage.
>>>>Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in our
server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack case,
though, which might be a little cheaper.
TCB
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
only
>about $6k if you buy ram
>somewhere else.
>
>Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
from
>Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
from
>Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
the
>Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>
>Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>pricing in general.
>
>Dedric
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>
>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>
>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>
>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>
>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>
>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Nappy wrote:
>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
Mac
>>> Pro
>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>Yep. Neither sucks, but in this case it's nice to see Apple being price
competitive in high end performance workstations. Especially for those
who currently prefer OSX. Of course you could run other operating
systems on the Mac Pros if you like.
I wouldn't want to be in charge of 500k computers, though. Around here,
one or two is fine. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in our
> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>
> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack case,
> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
> only
>> about $6k if you buy ram
>> somewhere else.
>>
>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
> from
>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
> from
>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
> the
>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>
>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>
>> pricing in general.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>
>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>
>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>
>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>
>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>
>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>
>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>
>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
> Mac
>>>> Pro
>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>LOL
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> I might also be asking, if I were Norwegian, exactly what's wrong with those
> F-16s? Granted, Norway is menaced on one side by those notoriously warmongering
> Swedes and on the other side by, um, a very large number of fish. Many of
> those fish are cod, and you Norwegians have been infuriating them for a thousand
> years by turning them into lutefisk. That said, cod notably lack opposable
> thumbs, money, and the ability to survive outside of water for more than
> a few minutes, so I don't see them as likely to acquire any significant anti-aircraft
> capacity.
>
> This brings us back to the Swedes. I've never been to Norway but I visited
> Stockholm once and they might be winning in the 'Hot Nordic Babe Race' but
> I'm not sure even anti-ballistic missile systems would help with that.
>
> So, considering Norway's enviable geopolitical gifts (remote location, rough
> terrain, long and difficult to breach coastline, a high quality navy, extensive
> oil reserves and superb energy exploration skill, no ABBA), I might tell
> that US ambassador where to stick it. A good pilot in an F-16 can defend
> against nearly any damn plane in the world, and they're dirt cheap to repair
> and maintain. The planes it can't defend against are owned by the US, Russia,
> Israel, and India and if Norway winds up in a shooting war with one of those
> countries, well, it's time to hunker down with the lutefisk and lefse and
> sue for peace.
>
> TCB
>
> erlilo <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>> We've got the global realities with Bush's political and corrupt
>> "fascismbehavings" here in Norway too, as in the whole EU and western
>> world. Now we've got the laws here too that can control and save all
>> internet/e-mail/telephone traffic from everywhere for a long periode.
>> Great corruption is showing up in the light in Norway too, now
>> between many of the tops in our militarysystem and the international
>> weaponindustry. We shall also change out our old F-16 planes here in
>> Norway and had 3 different planes as choices. It's going so far that
>> the American ambassador here went out and said the friendship between
>> our nations could be in great danger, if we don't buy the correct one.
>> So, it shows up really well here, that the American weaponindustry and
>> their gouvernment are walking hand in hand, whereever their power of
>> weapon and money are making footprints in the world.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 18:10:28 -0700, "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:478173bf@linux...
>>>> Deej,
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious about exactly which "global realities" you think he does
> not
>>>> understand?
>>> Bill & Ron says:
>>> BILL MOYERS: --who own, as you say, a lot of the media out there.
>>> RON PAUL: But I think it's still to this philosophy they believe in. They
> believe in
>> war. And they believe in the military industrial complex. And some of these
> companies
>> that are mixed in with making profits off war.
>>> I think that's a distorted crock, personally.
>>>
>>> BILL MOYERS: You remind me of something you told Tim Russet on MEET THE
> PRESS-- you
>> talked about fascism. Look at this piece of tape.
>>> RON PAUL (on MEET THE PRESS): Were not moving toward Hitler-type fascism,
> but we're
>> moving toward a softer fascism. Loss of civil liberties, corporations running
> the show,
>> big government in bed with big business. So you have the military industrial
> complex,
>> you have the medical industrial complex, you have the financial industry,
> you have
>> the communications industry. They go to Washington and spend hundreds of
> millions of
>> dollars. That's where the control is. I call that a soft form of fascism,
>> something that is very dangerous.
>>> yadda yadda....and then he says:
>>>
>>> RON PAUL: Yeah. Now we're living in an age today in this post-9/11 atmosphere
> where
>> our civil liberties are being undermined constantly. All in the name of
> safety and
>> security we're supposed to give up our rights for our privacy? We're allowed
> now to
>> accept the idea of secret prisons and secret renditions, and the lost of
> habeas corpus.
>> This is very, very dangerous. And I don't want to get to the point where
> it's hard
>> to reverse. Matter of fact, right now it's getting more difficult everyday
> to
>> reverse this trend, because the American people seem to so often say, "You
> know I want
>> to be-- I can't be free, if I'm not safe. So, I want my government to make
> me safe."
>> And they're willing to give up their liberties. And I'm convinced that you
> never have
>> to give up liberties to be safe. I think you're less safe when you give
> up your liberty
>>> I think Paul totally doesn't get the fact that due to our open society,
> our own laws
>> can be used against us in time of war......except if you don't believe we
> are at war,
>> in which case I say that his is dangerously in the twilight zone concerning
> some global
>> realities. We have always had to take certain measures that restricted our
> freedoms
>> during time of war.
>>> http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/09/47051?current Page=all
>>>
>>> They were measures that were deemed necessary at the time and they have
> also always
>> been rescinded when the war ended. This is no different. Many of us are
> just in total
>> denial that we are at war.......a very real, down and dirty, no holds barred
> war.
>>> I also think that his foriegn policy is, despite trying to put a new sole
> on an old
>> shoe, isolationist, and all you have to do is look to history to see how
> that kind
>> of policy has allowed conflicts to fester and escalate until we are called
> upon to
>> field a massive military juggernaut in order to end a world war. If anyont
> thinks that
>> war is going to go away just because we do, they are living in Disneyland.
> All that
>> will happen is that we will just have to deal with a bigger mess on a larger
> scale
>> than we are doing now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have noticed a tendency in the mainstream media to portray Ron Paul
> as
>>>> a kook or a crazy, without stating any specific reasons whatever. That
>
>>>> kind of covert slander of a person's sanity is really slimey IMHO.
>>>> That's what people do when they are really desperate to win an argument
>
>>>> and they have nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway I am fed up with the apathy we face in this country about
>>>> changing our government institutions and political system. I think we
>
>>>> can do something about it, and I like that Ron Paul is standing up to
>
>>>> say "I am the man who will do it." That takes a LOT of courage.
>>>>
>"erlilo" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
news:3ca7o3p8nebmc72k86l1pj83pqm6a9ksv1@4ax.com...
> There's not anything wrong with those F-16, other than the American
> saying they have been toooooo ooooold for what's happening now. The
> American want to sell this plane:
> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f35/ , but we don't know
> how much lutefisk and lefse the US are willing to buy back or if they
> want these kind of food at all;-)
> EU wanted to sell this: http://www.eurofighter.com/ and love to buy
> and eat our klipp/lutefisk and lefse but understand how the American
> are willing to try to eat all we can export of these kind of food, if
> we are buying 48 American planes. So EU jumped of that flight-wagon
> when understanding that the Amercan wanted to give up McDonalds and
> broilerchickens for Norwegian specialfood.
> So now it's our bigbrother neighbour Sweden, that have a great kind of
> echonomical weddingplans to show up with for us, if we want to buy
> this plane: http://www.gripen.com/en/index.htm
> So now Norway is behaving like a lady that wants a solid echonomical
> safety, with two suitors that's doing nearly everything to get merried
> with us, just to get some lutefish and lepse baked in North Sea Oil
> back. Yes, we have a new product here to sell, not the old King Oscar
> Sardines in old fat oil. That's being too old for me to remember, the
> taste.
>
> By the way, they were showing up Gripen here in the summertime, with
> F-16 too - and the American is right when saying F-16 is toooo oooold.
> Gripen had no problems at all to show this up on everything.
>
> A flying story from Norway, with lutefisk, lefse and some love
> searching military planepartners;-)
>
I really think that Norway should buy the Euroofferings. . You're going to
have a hard time getting tech support from the US if RP is elected, (not
that you would want it anyway, since it is American wnd Americans are evil)
and you may need them since we will be withdrawing from participation in
world affairs so when the Russians come calling, Europe should be ready
because we will not be.Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer model
that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by budget makers,
rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000 desktop, the Mac
might be the better deal.... that's was the only point there. I could have
missed some extra cost with the Dell I priced, but it's a WinVista64 large
business model, with SATA, no raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no
monitor, keyboard, mouse, system drive.
Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really great
deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!! yipeee!!
what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
Regards,
Dedric
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>
> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them in
> our
> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause they
> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>
> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc controller
> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
> case,
> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
> only
>>about $6k if you buy ram
>>somewhere else.
>>
>>Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
> from
>>Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
> from
>>Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
> the
>>Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>
>>Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns were
>
>>pricing in general.
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>
>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>
>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>
>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>
>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>
>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>
>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>
>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
> Mac
>>>> Pro
>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> Nappy
>>
> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
This is not good...You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
;o)
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>
> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>
>
> This is not good... http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84caYeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we will
need to know more about these candidates.
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>
> ;o)
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>
>>
>> This is not good...
>
>This article and those newsletters are a bombshell, despite
the spin in the forum.
DC
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>Yeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
>against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we will
>need to know more about these candidates.
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>
>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not good...
>>
>>
>
>Not that I only go off my impressions, but I will say that my impression of
RP is not one of a racist or neo-Nazi. My impression of Bush in 2000 was an
ignorant self-entitled trust-fund baby who lacked any real vision. Now, I
don't agree with a few of RP's positions, but I don't get the vibe he's even
remotely as dangerous as Bush has been.
peace!,
-Carl
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>
> ;o)
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>
>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>
>>
>> This is not good...
>
>If it's really true - then you are correct. I have doubts of that article
from my own impressions of RP, but I suppose we'll see.
-Carl
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783e896$1@linux...
>
> This article and those newsletters are a bombshell, despite
> the spin in the forum.
>
> DC
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>Yeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
>
>>against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we will
>
>>need to know more about these candidates.
>>
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not good...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I don't think RP is a raving KKK-type racist or seperatist.
I do think the newsletters show that he has some loony ideas like
defending secession, the old south, and attacking Lincoln
with the same "unjust war" rhetoric he uses against Iraq.
I doubt too many of the anti-Iraq war crowd want to
sign on for that.
To defend the south is to say that government has no
business trying to end slavery. Now just imagine what would have
happened to the south had slavery still been around in say 1915
or so.
1964?
The resulting war would have been even worse than the
Civil War and would have been indeed a race war.
The amorality of these people, in the name of small-government
is truly astonishing. If there is one thing government is FOR it
is protecting all of its citizens against the ruthless.
So, if RP isn't a kluxer, fine. But he did not stand against them
did he??
This may be the end of RP as a candidate.
DC
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>Not that I only go off my impressions, but I will say that my impression
of
>RP is not one of a racist or neo-Nazi. My impression of Bush in 2000 was
an
>ignorant self-entitled trust-fund baby who lacked any real vision. Now,
I
>don't agree with a few of RP's positions, but I don't get the vibe he's
even
>remotely as dangerous as Bush has been.
>
>peace!,
>-Carl
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>
>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not good...
>>
>>
>
>It's not a bombshell if you've been following libertarian politics for any
length of time. I've been reading the Rockwell site for years, don't agree
with all of it, or even most of it, but there aren't many places and anti-empire
conservative can hang out these days.
And don't forget, this article even states that it doesn't appear that RP
wrote any of this, though obviously he needs to take the hit for having his
name on the publication. Second, The New Republic was once a respectable
middle left paper that has become a fiercely neo-con rag. It's right up there
with the Weekly Standard as a warmongering mouthpiece for Cheney's office.
They'd accuse RP of molesting boys if they thought it might stick, regardless
of the validity of the claim.
Mind you, I'm not endorsing RP, I happen to agree with him on a lot of foreign
policy issues, as I'm a traditional conservative.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>This article and those newsletters are a bombshell, despite
>the spin in the forum.
>
>DC
>
>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>Yeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
>
>>against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we will
>
>>need to know more about these candidates.
>>
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not good...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Frankly, the whole game of smearing the source means
nothing whatsover if he wrote, or was responsible for these
things. If the research holds up, it could have come from
anywhere and it makes no difference at all.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>It's not a bombshell if you've been following libertarian politics for any
>length of time. I've been reading the Rockwell site for years, don't agree
>with all of it, or even most of it, but there aren't many places and anti-empire
>conservative can hang out these days.
>
>And don't forget, this article even states that it doesn't appear that RP
>wrote any of this, though obviously he needs to take the hit for having
his
>name on the publication. Second, The New Republic was once a respectable
>middle left paper that has become a fiercely neo-con rag. It's right up
there
>with the Weekly Standard as a warmongering mouthpiece for Cheney's office.
>They'd accuse RP of molesting boys if they thought it might stick, regardless
>of the validity of the claim.
>
>Mind you, I'm not endorsing RP, I happen to agree with him on a lot of foreign
>policy issues, as I'm a traditional conservative.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>This article and those newsletters are a bombshell, despite
>>the spin in the forum.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>Yeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
>>
>>>against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we
will
>>
>>>need to know more about these candidates.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>>>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>This guy was on the news last night blasting Ron Paul, when they asked him
if he could prove that Ron Paul had said all these things he couldn't. He
went on from there to continue his hearsay hatchet job. It was vary venomous
with nothing much to back it up. Keep in mind, there are a lot of deep pockets
that would have a lot to lose if Ron Paul would get in to office. The Dems.
and the Reps. are the same thing, they are both in bed with the media and
big business etc. Don't forget they said Ross Perot was a nut, a kook etc.
Perot said if we signed NAFTA, let China in to the WTO, and didn't get rid
of the foreign lobbyist we'd hear a huge sucking sound, well we are hearing
it loud and clear here in Detroit and around the country. According to them,
anybody that wants to change the corrupt way washington is run is a nut.
If you believe in the constitution, if you believe that government should
be for WE THE PEOPLE and not the filthy rich monopolistic corporations and
foreign governments, if you believe in freedom, equal rights, etc. you might
want to think about voting for Ron Paul. At least go check out his web site
and read it for yourself. http://www.ronpaul2008.com
If you like being lied to, if you like being treated like a mushroom, kept
in the dark and fed bullshit, If you like the way this war has been managed,
if you like having your country in debt to communist China, if you want a
government that is bought and run by the dirtiest lobbyist with the most
money, if you like having more and more of you rights taken away, more and
more of your money taken away for things you don't believe in, if your Ok
with the status quo, just vote in your favorite Democrat or republican and
you'll get more of what you've been getting.
They're trying to do a hatchet job on Ron Paul by saying he is a kook and
a racest. It's a drive by, what's new?
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>
>
>This is not good..."James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>They're trying to do a hatchet job on Ron Paul by saying he is a kook and
>a racest. It's a drive by, what's new?
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=74978161-f730-43a2 -91c3-de262573a129I'm sure Ron Paul was not and is not for slavery. I think he feels that states
have the right to govern them selves and I believe that is what he was referring
to., but I can't speak for him. Since we on the subject, I guess Robert
Byrd is Ok, right?
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>I don't think RP is a raving KKK-type racist or seperatist.
>
>I do think the newsletters show that he has some loony ideas like
>defending secession, the old south, and attacking Lincoln
>with the same "unjust war" rhetoric he uses against Iraq.
>I doubt too many of the anti-Iraq war crowd want to
>sign on for that.
>
>To defend the south is to say that government has no
>business trying to end slavery. Now just imagine what would have
>happened to the south had slavery still been around in say 1915
>or so.
>
>1964?
>
>The resulting war would have been even worse than the
>Civil War and would have been indeed a race war.
>
>The amorality of these people, in the name of small-government
>is truly astonishing. If there is one thing government is FOR it
>is protecting all of its citizens against the ruthless.
>
>So, if RP isn't a kluxer, fine. But he did not stand against them
>did he??
>
>This may be the end of RP as a candidate.
>
>DC
>
>
>"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>Not that I only go off my impressions, but I will say that my impression
>of
>>RP is not one of a racist or neo-Nazi. My impression of Bush in 2000 was
>an
>>ignorant self-entitled trust-fund baby who lacked any real vision. Now,
>I
>>don't agree with a few of RP's positions, but I don't get the vibe he's
>even
>>remotely as dangerous as Bush has been.
>>
>>peace!,
>>-Carl
>>
>>
>>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not good...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm sure Ron Paul was not and is not for slavery. I think he feels that
states
>have the right to govern them selves and I believe that is what he was referring
>to., but I can't speak for him. Since we on the subject, I guess Robert
>Byrd is Ok, right?
Not running for president. And NO, he is not OK.
The issue is not whether RP has a sheet outfit in his closet,
it is about what the legitmate role of the federal government is.
You can believe in small govt; that gov't ought to only build
roads, maintain a defense-only army, etc etc
and still believe that ending slavery was a virtuous act.
If you do not see that we did the right thing in the Civil War,
then the voting public should know that about you.
DCHe's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron Paul
!!!"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4783fab2$1@linux...
>
> He's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron
> Paul
> !!!
I feel the same way about Rachel Smith. I just wish she'd get drunk and show
off a little bit.
http://www.missusa.com/index2.htmlVery nice!
"
Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4783fab2$1@linux...
>>
>> He's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron
>> Paul
>> !!!
>
>I feel the same way about Rachel Smith. I just wish she'd get drunk and
show
>off a little bit.
>
>http://www.missusa.com/index2.html
>
>Mmm... that "Request Miss USA" button kinda tempts a man's mouse cursor,
doesn't it? ;o)
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4783fab2$1@linux...
>>
>> He's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron
>> Paul
>> !!!
>
>I feel the same way about Rachel Smith. I just wish she'd get drunk and
show
>off a little bit.
>
>http://www.missusa.com/index2.html
>
>Sorry,thanks for the correction.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>That's actually dual quad core, there's a difference.
>
>TCB
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant62@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new Mac
>>Pro
>>with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>me so whorny ;-)Hi Dedric,
When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
possible the default Apple configuration.
When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
prices grow further apart.
Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
Apple config -
* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
* One 16x SuperDrive
* Apple Mighty Mouse
* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
$4848.00
ADK Apple Config -
* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
* One 16x SuperDrive
* Apple Mighty Mouse
* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
* ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
Total - $4293.00
Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
parts from "New Egg" -
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Genuine Windows Vista™ Business, with Media
256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
No Monitor
My Accessories
USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
No Floppy Drive
Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
My Software
Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
My Services & Warranties
3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
No Onsite System Setup
Also Included
Windows Vista™ Premium
Total - $4573.00
(New Eggs parts for the Dell)
2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
Total - $500.00
Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
> system drive.
>
> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>
>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>> in our
>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>> they
>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>
>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>> controller
>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>> case,
>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>> only
>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>> somewhere else.
>>>
>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>> from
>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>> from
>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>> the
>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>
>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>> were
>>
>>> pricing in general.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>
>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>
>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>
>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>
>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>
>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>
>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>
>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>> Mac
>>>>> Pro
>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>
>>>>> respect
>>>>> Nappy
>>>
>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762I just requested her. ;-) Now all I got to do is find a shopping mall to have
a grand opening or something!
Rod
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Mmm... that "Request Miss USA" button kinda tempts a man's mouse cursor,
>doesn't it? ;o)
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4783fab2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> He's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron
>
>>> Paul
>>> !!!
>>
>>I feel the same way about Rachel Smith. I just wish she'd get drunk and
>show
>>off a little bit.
>>
>>http://www.missusa.com/index2.html
>>
>>
>Thanks Chris. My comps are in a machine room so noise isn't really a factor
as much as performance with Nuendo, then price.
Any tests on your end with Leopard vs. XP bootcamped? I've seen some Nuendo
users reporting being able to drop a level of latency (256 to 128) with
Leopard vs. the last furry animal version. Is core audio improving to be on
par with ASIO?
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/8/08 8:10 PM, in article 47843b80$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> Hi Dedric,
> When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
> over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
> possible the default Apple configuration.
> When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
> prices grow further apart.
> Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
> more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>
>
> Apple config -
> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
> * One 16x SuperDrive
> * Apple Mighty Mouse
> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
> $4848.00
>
>
> ADK Apple Config -
>
> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
> * One 16x SuperDrive
> * Apple Mighty Mouse
> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
> * ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>
> Total - $4293.00
>
> Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
> parts from "New Egg" -
>
> Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
> Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
> Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
> 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
> 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
> 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst CacheÂ
> No Monitor
> My Accessories
> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
> No Floppy Drive
> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
> My Software
> Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
> My Services & Warranties
> 3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
> No Onsite System Setup
> Also Included
> Windows Vista Premium
>
> Total - $4573.00
>
> (New Eggs parts for the Dell)
> 2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
> 4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
> Total - $500.00
> Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>
> Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
>
>
> Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
> factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>
> To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
> attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>
>
> Chris
>
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>> system drive.
>>
>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>> in our
>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>> they
>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>
>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>> controller
>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>> case,
>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>>> only
>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>> from
>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>> from
>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>>> the
>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>> were
>>>
>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>>
>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>>
>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>>
>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>
>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>>> Mac
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> respect
>>>>>> Nappy
>>>>
>>>
>>As well, the game of smearing Ron Paul is an obvious way to distract
from his direct claims about the corruption of currently powerful
corporate and government interests.
More smearing to come, no doubt. The game is clearly on.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> Frankly, the whole game of smearing the source means
> nothing whatsover if he wrote, or was responsible for these
> things. If the research holds up, it could have come from
> anywhere and it makes no difference at all.
>
> DC
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> It's not a bombshell if you've been following libertarian politics for any
>> length of time. I've been reading the Rockwell site for years, don't agree
>> with all of it, or even most of it, but there aren't many places and anti-empire
>> conservative can hang out these days.
>>
>> And don't forget, this article even states that it doesn't appear that RP
>> wrote any of this, though obviously he needs to take the hit for having
> his
>> name on the publication. Second, The New Republic was once a respectable
>> middle left paper that has become a fiercely neo-con rag. It's right up
> there
>> with the Weekly Standard as a warmongering mouthpiece for Cheney's office.
>> They'd accuse RP of molesting boys if they thought it might stick, regardless
>> of the validity of the claim.
>>
>> Mind you, I'm not endorsing RP, I happen to agree with him on a lot of foreign
>> policy issues, as I'm a traditional conservative.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> This article and those newsletters are a bombshell, despite
>>> the spin in the forum.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yeah - check the forum on that link - there are some interesting arguments
>>>> against it. BUT, this stuff will need to be tested at some level - we
> will
>>>> need to know more about these candidates.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4783e5ba$1@linux...
>>>>> You know you can't trust these neo-con publications Don.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4783d602$1@linux...
>>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>
>>>>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:47841084$1@linux...
>
>
> Mmm... that "Request Miss USA" button kinda tempts a man's mouse cursor,
> doesn't it? ;o)
>
I think you'd best keep your mouse contained.
;o)"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:47843eea$1@linux...
>
> I just requested her. ;-) Now all I got to do is find a shopping mall to
> have
> a grand opening or something!
> Rod
While you're at it, request this one too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuleyka_Rivera
We need to set up a mud wrestling tournament.
OK I'm gonna stop now before Sarah show up and makes me.
;o)"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>I think you'd best keep your mouse contained.
That's exactly the kind of behaviour that leads to not much. ;o)"Kim" <hiddensounds@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4783412b$1@linux...
>
>
> Deej,
>
> Nobody but other smartasses likes a smartass.
>
> ;o)
>
Sheesh!!!.what an ingrate!!!! See if I come to the rescue the next time the
silicon in the transdermal metering guages starts to bubble and send off
fumes and you're wondering why a bunch of pasty faced reptilian'esque
humanoids come slithering around with glass pipes topped with aluminum foil
wanting to smoke the stuff. No more tech support calls for you dude.
;o)I don’t use Digi plugs for 99% of my mixes in PT. The MC can automate all
my favorite third-party plugins, the Control 24 - NO. The Control 24 handles
basic fader automation and general keyboard shortcuts, but it has no real
function key feature outside of the basic key commands in PT, and you are
stuck with the choices Digi made. The MC comes with many great one-key macros
and you can program your own. This feature can make short work of complex
problems like using Beat Detective across a song with multiple time sigs
or compound meters. The smart keys can also be set to any function, not just
the basic ones. The Control 24 is a nice mouse upgrade. The MC is a fully
programmable control surface. It’s about setting up a mixer the way I want
rather than the way Digi thinks I should work.
G
&itemid
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Gene, why do say that you prefer the MC or Digi's own C24? I would think
>the C24's integration with PT would be better than anything (HUI) based..
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>I’ve been putting a new studio together for Richard Bona (What a spectacular
>>musician!) It’s based around HD and a C|24. The C|24 is a big improvement
>>over the control 24. Not just the preamps and analog section, but the whole
>>look - feel / ergonomics are further improved. I have not been a huge fan
>>of the control 24.
>>Having said that I prefer the MC by a large margin in terms of overall
integration.
>>Even with PT, which is not its “strong suite”.
>>I held off getting an MC because of early info on the new controller, so
>>I remain anxious to get my hands on one. I have contacts at Euphonix, so
>>I hope to have one to try soon.
>>Gene
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Good points. If you did a search on Nuendo's and Gearslutz forums, there
>>seemed
>>>to me that a lot of users/mid range studios wanted such a product in the
>>>Control 24 or New C24 range.
>>>
>>>Man, I'm very jealous of that C24. Total integration with it's DAW..16(grace
>>>range Mic Pres), 8-stereo,16 mono channel sub mixer, Talk back..Surround
>>>monitoring..24 faders, with full master section.
>>>For those of us who got spoiled with the C-16, this is what we Dreamed
>the
>>>Paris and other DAWs front end mix/controller surface would become.
>>>
>>>As for the Market: I think James M was and is right: The Manufactuers
as
>>>a whole see a bigger market with the "Bed_Room" guy/gals. 2-8 tracks at
>>a
>>>time. USB2 interfaces, although you still can get a decent to good Firewire
>>>interface, but most of them are still based on the 2-8 channel model.
>>>
>>>Hey, it's the Market driven as you stated.. I just find it hard to believe
>>>that Digidesign has software and Hardware for every studio budget..Wow!!
>>>
>>>
>>>ZRumor has it that Pro Tools 7.5 or 8 will become even more muic creation
>>>friendly.. I track/edit with Neundo,Paris..Mix Pro Tools...Mabey it's
time
>>>to go all out Digi..
>>>
>>>"TCB " <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You might be right, LaMont, but the market is littered with disastrous
>>attempts
>>>>at hardware controllers. Remember the SAK? The Houston? The Tascam FW
>line?
>>>>The Houston was actually a very, very nice design (by Axel Hartmann,
a
>>true
>>>>genius of audio gear design) with some QC issues at first but wound up
>>being
>>>>a pretty nice product.
>>>>
>>>>I guess I'm Joe Capitalist this week, but with all of those companies
>getting
>>>>their noses bloodied in that segment of the market, and a complete unwillingness
>>>>of new players to step in, I have to wonder if the 'C24 crowd' just isn't
>>>>big enough to make it a financially viable target. Not that I have any
>>insight
>>>>into this being true, but it seems like that's what the market thinks.
>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>It does look clean line..I think it does have wide appeal. I just think
>>>>that
>>>>>there is the C24(ish) crowd like myself..
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I dunno, LaMont, that's some pretty sweet looking design with the Eupohinx
>>>>>>stuff. I think a lot of clients would be pretty impressed even if it
>>doesn't
>>>>>>look as much like a big analog console. Not that I'm likely ever to
>>find
>>>>>>out, of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess like some others, we are looking for a C24 like product. We've
>>>>>asking
>>>>>>>for this for now going on 7 years and all they keep bringing out (Save
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>Digidesign) is these 8 fader units.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've never been a mackie controller fan. This is not hard to do. 24
>>32
>>>>>faders
>>>>>>>to support Cubase,Logic,DP,Sonar ..Again look at the C24 http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=219&langid=100 =5342
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dropthat baby into a argosy http://www.argosyconsole.com/c24.htm and
>>>you
>>>>>>>really have something that clients, yourself can be proud of...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Sweetwater says PC support is in the works, but we'll have to see
>what
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>really transpires (I've emailed Euphonix about it).
>>>>>>>>The sales rep says they saw it in their product preview and it's
a
>>very
>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>unit - way better than the Mackie. He says
>>>>>>>>Euphonix thought of everything, except PC support of course.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Post market only? Imo, that depends on what you need for a music
>only
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>studio - if a Mackie control
>>>>>>>>does the job for a music studio, the MC Mix/Control would likely
do
>>>it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>better - more control and functionality
>>>>>>>>and control of their monitor software as well (Mac of course).
I
>>hear
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>end caps come off
>>>>>>>>so you can attach multiple units and have a larger controller. Also
>>>>the
>>>>>>>MC
>>>>>>>>Mix can function alone,
>>>>>>>>or in addition to the MC Control. It does use Eucon, but no mention
>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>there being an extra cost for it,
>>>>>>>>so it sounds like it's included (e.g. no limitations with HUI or
Mackie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>control protocol support).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:477bd84f@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dedric.. Wow.. Mac only (for now). I have to see one of
>these
>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>>>> It looks liek these are meant for the Post market still. Not for
>>
>>>>>>>>> musicians..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site. Sadly, and not mentioned
>>>>in
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac only.
>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal - rumor is maybe PC
>>support
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>in late 2008. =20
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Imho, that may be too late. Someone else will push out a PC/Mac
>>=
>>>>>>>>>>controller to usurp the MCs by then.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
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>>>>>>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16546" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
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>>>>>>>>> =
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>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
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>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
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>>>>>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix"><FONT
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>size=3D2>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix</FONT></A>=
>>>>>>>>>></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site.
=
>>>>>>>>>>Sadly, and not=20
>>>>>>>>>>mentioned in Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac =
>>>>>>>>>>only.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal
>>>>-
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>rumor is maybe=20
>>>>>>>>>>PC support in late 2008. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Imho, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>that may be too late. Someone else will push
>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>out a=20
>>>>>>>>>>PC/Mac controller to usurp the MCs by then.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
widows:
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Dedric</FONT></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>size=3D2><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Am I correct in saying that the MC and System 5 use Eucon with PT and not
HUI? I know it's Eucon with most DAWs. I'm pretty sure Eucon is more
advanced than HUI or midi modes in general.
The new boards use Eucon as well, or a portion of it.
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/9/08 12:22 AM, in article 4784681f$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
<glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> I donÂ’t use Digi plugs for 99% of my mixes in PT. The MC can automate all
> my favorite third-party plugins, the Control 24 - NO. The Control 24 handles
> basic fader automation and general keyboard shortcuts, but it has no real
> function key feature outside of the basic key commands in PT, and you are
> stuck with the choices Digi made. The MC comes with many great one-key macros
> and you can program your own. This feature can make short work of complex
> problems like using Beat Detective across a song with multiple time sigs
> or compound meters. The smart keys can also be set to any function, not just
> the basic ones. The Control 24 is a nice mouse upgrade. The MC is a fully
> programmable control surface. ItÂ’s about setting up a mixer the way I want
> rather than the way Digi thinks I should work.
>
> G
>
>
>
> &itemid
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gene, why do say that you prefer the MC or Digi's own C24? I would think
>> the C24's integration with PT would be better than anything (HUI) based..
>>
>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> IÂ’ve been putting a new studio together for Richard Bona (What a spectacular
>>> musician!) ItÂ’s based around HD and a C|24. The C|24 is a big improvement
>>> over the control 24. Not just the preamps and analog section, but the whole
>>> look - feel / ergonomics are further improved. I have not been a huge fan
>>> of the control 24.
>>> Having said that I prefer the MC by a large margin in terms of overall
> integration.
>>> Even with PT, which is not its “strong suite”.
>>> I held off getting an MC because of early info on the new controller, so
>>> I remain anxious to get my hands on one. I have contacts at Euphonix, so
>>> I hope to have one to try soon.
>>> Gene
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good points. If you did a search on Nuendo's and Gearslutz forums, there
>>> seemed
>>>> to me that a lot of users/mid range studios wanted such a product in the
>>>> Control 24 or New C24 range.
>>>>
>>>> Man, I'm very jealous of that C24. Total integration with it's
>>>> DAW..16(grace
>>>> range Mic Pres), 8-stereo,16 mono channel sub mixer, Talk back..Surround
>>>> monitoring..24 faders, with full master section.
>>>> For those of us who got spoiled with the C-16, this is what we Dreamed
>> the
>>>> Paris and other DAWs front end mix/controller surface would become.
>>>>
>>>> As for the Market: I think James M was and is right: The Manufactuers
> as
>>>> a whole see a bigger market with the "Bed_Room" guy/gals. 2-8 tracks at
>>> a
>>>> time. USB2 interfaces, although you still can get a decent to good Firewire
>>>> interface, but most of them are still based on the 2-8 channel model.
>
>>>>
>>>> Hey, it's the Market driven as you stated.. I just find it hard to believe
>>>> that Digidesign has software and Hardware for every studio budget..Wow!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ZRumor has it that Pro Tools 7.5 or 8 will become even more muic creation
>>>> friendly.. I track/edit with Neundo,Paris..Mix Pro Tools...Mabey it's
> time
>>>> to go all out Digi..
>>>>
>>>> "TCB " <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You might be right, LaMont, but the market is littered with disastrous
>>> attempts
>>>>> at hardware controllers. Remember the SAK? The Houston? The Tascam FW
>> line?
>>>>> The Houston was actually a very, very nice design (by Axel Hartmann,
> a
>>> true
>>>>> genius of audio gear design) with some QC issues at first but wound up
>>> being
>>>>> a pretty nice product.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess I'm Joe Capitalist this week, but with all of those companies
>> getting
>>>>> their noses bloodied in that segment of the market, and a complete
>>>>> unwillingness
>>>>> of new players to step in, I have to wonder if the 'C24 crowd' just isn't
>>>>> big enough to make it a financially viable target. Not that I have any
>>> insight
>>>>> into this being true, but it seems like that's what the market thinks.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does look clean line..I think it does have wide appeal. I just think
>>>>> that
>>>>>> there is the C24(ish) crowd like myself..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dunno, LaMont, that's some pretty sweet looking design with the
>>>>>>> Eupohinx
>>>>>>> stuff. I think a lot of clients would be pretty impressed even if it
>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> look as much like a big analog console. Not that I'm likely ever to
>>> find
>>>>>>> out, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess like some others, we are looking for a C24 like product. We've
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>> for this for now going on 7 years and all they keep bringing out (Save
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> Digidesign) is these 8 fader units.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've never been a mackie controller fan. This is not hard to do. 24
>>> 32
>>>>>> faders
>>>>>>>> to support Cubase,Logic,DP,Sonar ..Again look at the C24
>>>>>>>> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=219&langid=100 =5342
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dropthat baby into a argosy http://www.argosyconsole.com/c24.htm and
>>>> you
>>>>>>>> really have something that clients, yourself can be proud of...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sweetwater says PC support is in the works, but we'll have to see
>> what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> really transpires (I've emailed Euphonix about it).
>>>>>>>>> The sales rep says they saw it in their product preview and it's
> a
>>> very
>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>>> unit - way better than the Mackie. He says
>>>>>>>>> Euphonix thought of everything, except PC support of course.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Post market only? Imo, that depends on what you need for a music
>> only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> studio - if a Mackie control
>>>>>>>>> does the job for a music studio, the MC Mix/Control would likely
> do
>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> better - more control and functionality
>>>>>>>>> and control of their monitor software as well (Mac of course).
> I
>>> hear
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> end caps come off
>>>>>>>>> so you can attach multiple units and have a larger controller. Also
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> MC
>>>>>>>>> Mix can function alone,
>>>>>>>>> or in addition to the MC Control. It does use Eucon, but no mention
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there being an extra cost for it,
>>>>>>>>> so it sounds like it's included (e.g. no limitations with HUI or
> Mackie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> control protocol support).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:477bd84f@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dedric.. Wow.. Mac only (for now). I have to see one of
>> these
>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>>>>> It looks liek these are meant for the Post market still. Not for
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> musicians..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site. Sadly, and not mentioned
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac only.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal - rumor is maybe PC
>>> support
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> in late 2008. =20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, that may be too late. Someone else will push out a PC/Mac
>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> controller to usurp the MCs by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>>>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>>>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>>>>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16546" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>>>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>>>>>> </HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><A=20
>>>>>>>>>>> href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix"><FONT
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>> size=3D2>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix</FONT
>>>>>>>>>>> ></A>=
>>>>>>>>>>> </SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site.
> =
>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, and not=20
>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac =
>>>>>>>>>>> only.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal
>>>>> -
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> rumor is maybe=20
>>>>>>>>>>> PC support in late 2008. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Imho, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
>>>>>>>>>>> class=3DApple-style-span
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>that may be too late. Someone else will push
>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> out a=20
>>>>>>>>>>> PC/Mac controller to usurp the MCs by then.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
> widows:
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Dedric</FONT></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>> size=3D2><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hi Kim,
Are you on skype? Maybe we could chat about this and see if we can come
up with something.
Hope to talk to you soon,
Mike
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4783412b$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Deej,
>>
>> Nobody but other smartasses likes a smartass.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>
>Sheesh!!!.what an ingrate!!!! See if I come to the rescue the next time
the
>silicon in the transdermal metering guages starts to bubble and send off
>fumes and you're wondering why a bunch of pasty faced reptilian'esque
>humanoids come slithering around with glass pipes topped with aluminum foil
>wanting to smoke the stuff. No more tech support calls for you dude.
>
>;o)
>
>Digi does not support Eucon. Shock.
But the MC still feels responsive and at least as accurate and fast as the
Control 24. Most MIDI controllers feel a little sluggish to me including
my MotorMix, but I don’t get that when working with a MC.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Am I correct in saying that the MC and System 5 use Eucon with PT and not
>HUI? I know it's Eucon with most DAWs. I'm pretty sure Eucon is more
>advanced than HUI or midi modes in general.
>
>The new boards use Eucon as well, or a portion of it.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 1/9/08 12:22 AM, in article 4784681f$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
><glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don’t use Digi plugs for 99% of my mixes in PT. The MC can automate
all
>> my favorite third-party plugins, the Control 24 - NO. The Control 24 handles
>> basic fader automation and general keyboard shortcuts, but it has no real
>> function key feature outside of the basic key commands in PT, and you
are
>> stuck with the choices Digi made. The MC comes with many great one-key
macros
>> and you can program your own. This feature can make short work of complex
>> problems like using Beat Detective across a song with multiple time sigs
>> or compound meters. The smart keys can also be set to any function, not
just
>> the basic ones. The Control 24 is a nice mouse upgrade. The MC is a fully
>> programmable control surface. It’s about setting up a mixer the way I
want
>> rather than the way Digi thinks I should work.
>>
>> G
>>
>>
>>
>> &itemid
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Gene, why do say that you prefer the MC or Digi's own C24? I would
think
>>> the C24's integration with PT would be better than anything (HUI) based..
>>>
>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been putting a new studio together for Richard Bona (What a spectacular
>>>> musician!) It’s based around HD and a C|24. The C|24 is a big improvement
>>>> over the control 24. Not just the preamps and analog section, but the
whole
>>>> look - feel / ergonomics are further improved. I have not been a huge
fan
>>>> of the control 24.
>>>> Having said that I prefer the MC by a large margin in terms of overall
>> integration.
>>>> Even with PT, which is not its “strong suite”.
>>>> I held off getting an MC because of early info on the new controller,
so
>>>> I remain anxious to get my hands on one. I have contacts at Euphonix,
so
>>>> I hope to have one to try soon.
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good points. If you did a search on Nuendo's and Gearslutz forums,
there
>>>> seemed
>>>>> to me that a lot of users/mid range studios wanted such a product in
the
>>>>> Control 24 or New C24 range.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man, I'm very jealous of that C24. Total integration with it's
>>>>> DAW..16(grace
>>>>> range Mic Pres), 8-stereo,16 mono channel sub mixer, Talk back..Surround
>>>>> monitoring..24 faders, with full master section.
>>>>> For those of us who got spoiled with the C-16, this is what we Dreamed
>>> the
>>>>> Paris and other DAWs front end mix/controller surface would become.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the Market: I think James M was and is right: The Manufactuers
>> as
>>>>> a whole see a bigger market with the "Bed_Room" guy/gals. 2-8 tracks
at
>>>> a
>>>>> time. USB2 interfaces, although you still can get a decent to good
Firewire
>>>>> interface, but most of them are still based on the 2-8 channel model.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey, it's the Market driven as you stated.. I just find it hard to
believe
>>>>> that Digidesign has software and Hardware for every studio budget..Wow!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ZRumor has it that Pro Tools 7.5 or 8 will become even more muic creation
>>>>> friendly.. I track/edit with Neundo,Paris..Mix Pro Tools...Mabey it's
>> time
>>>>> to go all out Digi..
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB " <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might be right, LaMont, but the market is littered with disastrous
>>>> attempts
>>>>>> at hardware controllers. Remember the SAK? The Houston? The Tascam
FW
>>> line?
>>>>>> The Houston was actually a very, very nice design (by Axel Hartmann,
>> a
>>>> true
>>>>>> genius of audio gear design) with some QC issues at first but wound
up
>>>> being
>>>>>> a pretty nice product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess I'm Joe Capitalist this week, but with all of those companies
>>> getting
>>>>>> their noses bloodied in that segment of the market, and a complete
>>>>>> unwillingness
>>>>>> of new players to step in, I have to wonder if the 'C24 crowd' just
isn't
>>>>>> big enough to make it a financially viable target. Not that I have
any
>>>> insight
>>>>>> into this being true, but it seems like that's what the market thinks.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does look clean line..I think it does have wide appeal. I just
think
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> there is the C24(ish) crowd like myself..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I dunno, LaMont, that's some pretty sweet looking design with the
>>>>>>>> Eupohinx
>>>>>>>> stuff. I think a lot of clients would be pretty impressed even if
it
>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>> look as much like a big analog console. Not that I'm likely ever
to
>>>> find
>>>>>>>> out, of course.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess like some others, we are looking for a C24 like product.
We've
>>>>>>> asking
>>>>>>>>> for this for now going on 7 years and all they keep bringing out
(Save
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> Digidesign) is these 8 fader units.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've never been a mackie controller fan. This is not hard to do.
24
>>>> 32
>>>>>>> faders
>>>>>>>>> to support Cubase,Logic,DP,Sonar ..Again look at the C24
>>>>>>>>> http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=219&langid=100 =5342
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dropthat baby into a argosy http://www.argosyconsole.com/c24.htm
and
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> really have something that clients, yourself can be proud of...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Sweetwater says PC support is in the works, but we'll have to
see
>>> what
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> really transpires (I've emailed Euphonix about it).
>>>>>>>>>> The sales rep says they saw it in their product preview and it's
>> a
>>>> very
>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>>>>>>> unit - way better than the Mackie. He says
>>>>>>>>>> Euphonix thought of everything, except PC support of course.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Post market only? Imo, that depends on what you need for a music
>>> only
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> studio - if a Mackie control
>>>>>>>>>> does the job for a music studio, the MC Mix/Control would likely
>> do
>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> better - more control and functionality
>>>>>>>>>> and control of their monitor software as well (Mac of course).
>> I
>>>> hear
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> end caps come off
>>>>>>>>>> so you can attach multiple units and have a larger controller.
Also
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> MC
>>>>>>>>>> Mix can function alone,
>>>>>>>>>> or in addition to the MC Control. It does use Eucon, but no mention
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> there being an extra cost for it,
>>>>>>>>>> so it sounds like it's included (e.g. no limitations with HUI
or
>> Mackie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> control protocol support).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:477bd84f@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dedric.. Wow.. Mac only (for now). I have to see one
of
>>> these
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>>>>>> It looks liek these are meant for the Post market still. Not
for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> musicians..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site. Sadly, and not mentioned
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac only.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal - rumor is maybe
PC
>>>> support
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> in late 2008. =20
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, that may be too late. Someone else will push out a PC/Mac
>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> controller to usurp the MCs by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>>>>>>> <HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>>>>>>>> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16546" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>>>>>>> </HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><A=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix"><FONT
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> size=3D2>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix</FONT
>>>>>>>>>>>> ></A>=
>>>>>>>>>>>> </SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site.
>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadly, and not=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned in Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac =
>>>>>>>>>>>> only.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee
deal
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> rumor is maybe=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> PC support in late 2008. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Imho, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
>>>>>>>>>>>> class=3DApple-style-span
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>that may be too late. Someone else will
push
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> out a=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> PC/Mac controller to usurp the MCs by then.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande';
>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre;
=
>>>>>>>>>>>> LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans:
2;
>> widows:
>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>> -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>> auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> face=3DArial size=3D2>Dedric</FONT></SPAN><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>>> size=3D2><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it off!
Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
How's that?
S
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:47845ba4@linux...
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:47843eea$1@linux...
>>
>> I just requested her. ;-) Now all I got to do is find a shopping mall to
>> have
>> a grand opening or something!
>> Rod
>
> While you're at it, request this one too.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuleyka_Rivera
> We need to set up a mud wrestling tournament.
>
> OK I'm gonna stop now before Sarah show up and makes me.
>
> ;o)
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4784d5d7@linux...
> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it off!
> Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>
> How's that?
>
> S
WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
;o)Yes, but she don't know how to spell Constitution, let alone, understand it...
lol.
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4783fab2$1@linux...
>>
>> He's simply amazing and no article will ever change it. Lovin the Ron
>> Paul
>> !!!
>
>I feel the same way about Rachel Smith. I just wish she'd get drunk and
show
>off a little bit.
>
>http://www.missusa.com/index2.html
>
>Thanks for the update Gene. I now understand that the Dcommand and the D-Control
offer more programability , where as the C24 comes prefabed.
That's not a bad thing having a product like a controller prefabed. But,
having some progamability is nice as well..I guess I the "traditional" fader
layout better, than the more efficient controller layout..
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>I don’t use Digi plugs for 99% of my mixes in PT. The MC can automate all
>my favorite third-party plugins, the Control 24 - NO. The Control 24 handles
>basic fader automation and general keyboard shortcuts, but it has no real
>function key feature outside of the basic key commands in PT, and you are
>stuck with the choices Digi made. The MC comes with many great one-key macros
>and you can program your own. This feature can make short work of complex
>problems like using Beat Detective across a song with multiple time sigs
>or compound meters. The smart keys can also be set to any function, not
just
>the basic ones. The Control 24 is a nice mouse upgrade. The MC is a fully
>programmable control surface. It’s about setting up a mixer the way I want
>rather than the way Digi thinks I should work.
>
>G
>
>
>
>&itemid
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Gene, why do say that you prefer the MC or Digi's own C24? I would think
>>the C24's integration with PT would be better than anything (HUI) based..
>>
>>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSpammyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I’ve been putting a new studio together for Richard Bona (What a spectacular
>>>musician!) It’s based around HD and a C|24. The C|24 is a big improvement
>>>over the control 24. Not just the preamps and analog section, but the
whole
>>>look - feel / ergonomics are further improved. I have not been a huge
fan
>>>of the control 24.
>>>Having said that I prefer the MC by a large margin in terms of overall
>integration.
>>>Even with PT, which is not its “strong suite”.
>>>I held off getting an MC because of early info on the new controller,
so
>>>I remain anxious to get my hands on one. I have contacts at Euphonix,
so
>>>I hope to have one to try soon.
>>>Gene
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Good points. If you did a search on Nuendo's and Gearslutz forums, there
>>>seemed
>>>>to me that a lot of users/mid range studios wanted such a product in
the
>>>>Control 24 or New C24 range.
>>>>
>>>>Man, I'm very jealous of that C24. Total integration with it's DAW..16(grace
>>>>range Mic Pres), 8-stereo,16 mono channel sub mixer, Talk back..Surround
>>>>monitoring..24 faders, with full master section.
>>>>For those of us who got spoiled with the C-16, this is what we Dreamed
>>the
>>>>Paris and other DAWs front end mix/controller surface would become.
>>>>
>>>>As for the Market: I think James M was and is right: The Manufactuers
>as
>>>>a whole see a bigger market with the "Bed_Room" guy/gals. 2-8 tracks
at
>>>a
>>>>time. USB2 interfaces, although you still can get a decent to good Firewire
>>>>interface, but most of them are still based on the 2-8 channel model.
>
>>>>
>>>>Hey, it's the Market driven as you stated.. I just find it hard to believe
>>>>that Digidesign has software and Hardware for every studio budget..Wow!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ZRumor has it that Pro Tools 7.5 or 8 will become even more muic creation
>>>>friendly.. I track/edit with Neundo,Paris..Mix Pro Tools...Mabey it's
>time
>>>>to go all out Digi..
>>>>
>>>>"TCB " <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>You might be right, LaMont, but the market is littered with disastrous
>>>attempts
>>>>>at hardware controllers. Remember the SAK? The Houston? The Tascam FW
>>line?
>>>>>The Houston was actually a very, very nice design (by Axel Hartmann,
>a
>>>true
>>>>>genius of audio gear design) with some QC issues at first but wound
up
>>>being
>>>>>a pretty nice product.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guess I'm Joe Capitalist this week, but with all of those companies
>>getting
>>>>>their noses bloodied in that segment of the market, and a complete unwillingness
>>>>>of new players to step in, I have to wonder if the 'C24 crowd' just
isn't
>>>>>big enough to make it a financially viable target. Not that I have any
>>>insight
>>>>>into this being true, but it seems like that's what the market thinks.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It does look clean line..I think it does have wide appeal. I just think
>>>>>that
>>>>>>there is the C24(ish) crowd like myself..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I dunno, LaMont, that's some pretty sweet looking design with the
Eupohinx
>>>>>>>stuff. I think a lot of clients would be pretty impressed even if
it
>>>doesn't
>>>>>>>look as much like a big analog console. Not that I'm likely ever
to
>>>find
>>>>>>>out, of course.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I guess like some others, we are looking for a C24 like product.
We've
>>>>>>asking
>>>>>>>>for this for now going on 7 years and all they keep bringing out
(Save
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>Digidesign) is these 8 fader units.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've never been a mackie controller fan. This is not hard to do.
24
>>>32
>>>>>>faders
>>>>>>>>to support Cubase,Logic,DP,Sonar ..Again look at the C24 http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=219&langid=100 =5342
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Dropthat baby into a argosy http://www.argosyconsole.com/c24.htm
and
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>really have something that clients, yourself can be proud of...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Sweetwater says PC support is in the works, but we'll have to see
>>what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>really transpires (I've emailed Euphonix about it).
>>>>>>>>>The sales rep says they saw it in their product preview and it's
>a
>>>very
>>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>>unit - way better than the Mackie. He says
>>>>>>>>>Euphonix thought of everything, except PC support of course.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Post market only? Imo, that depends on what you need for a music
>>only
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>studio - if a Mackie control
>>>>>>>>>does the job for a music studio, the MC Mix/Control would likely
>do
>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>better - more control and functionality
>>>>>>>>>and control of their monitor software as well (Mac of course).
>I
>>>hear
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>end caps come off
>>>>>>>>>so you can attach multiple units and have a larger controller.
Also
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>MC
>>>>>>>>>Mix can function alone,
>>>>>>>>>or in addition to the MC Control. It does use Eucon, but no mention
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>there being an extra cost for it,
>>>>>>>>>so it sounds like it's included (e.g. no limitations with HUI or
>Mackie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>control protocol support).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:477bd84f@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Dedric.. Wow.. Mac only (for now). I have to see one of
>>these
>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>>>>> It looks liek these are meant for the Post market still. Not for
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> musicians..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site. Sadly, and not mentioned
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac only.
>>>>>>>>>>>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee deal - rumor is maybe
PC
>>>support
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>in late 2008. =20
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Imho, that may be too late. Someone else will push out a PC/Mac
>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>controller to usurp the MCs by then.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>>>>>>>>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>>>>>>>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>>>>>>>>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.6000.16546" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>>>>>>>>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>>>>>>>>>></HEAD>
>>>>>>>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><A=20
>>>>>>>>>>>href=3D"http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix"><FONT
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>>>>>>>>>size=3D2>http://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Euphonix</FONT></A>=
>>>>>>>>>>></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Or at least posted on Sweetwater's site.
>=
>>>>>>>>>>>Sadly, and not=20
>>>>>>>>>>>mentioned in Sweetwater's listings, it's Mac =
>>>>>>>>>>>only.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Sounds like a Euphonix + Apple + Apogee
deal
>>>>>-
>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>rumor is maybe=20
>>>>>>>>>>>PC support in late 2008. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Imho, </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2>that may be too late. Someone else will
push
>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>out a=20
>>>>>>>>>>>PC/Mac controller to usurp the MCs by then.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
>>>>>>>>>>>style=3D"WORD-SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px 'Lucida Grande'; TEXT-TRANSFORM:
>>>>>>>>>> =
>>>>>>>>>>>none; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: pre; =
>>>>>>>>>>>LETTER-SPACING: normal; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; orphans: 2;
>widows:
>>>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>2; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
>>>>>>>>>>>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
>>>>>>=
>>>>>>>>>>>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0"><FONT=20
>>>>>>>>>>>face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
>>>>>>>>>>><DIV><SPAN class=3DApple-style-span=20
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>
>Hi Dedric,
Yes leopard dos seem to have improved things with low latency
performance over all.
Core Audio has always been close to ASIO in performance. Way better than
WDM or Wave RT on the Windows side. ASIO is still the best solution for
that anywhere in the near future on XP or even Vista.
About the only thing Core Audio hasn't got that ASIO does is direct
monitoring. But PCs and Macs at this point are so fast that isn't a big
deal sense machines are fast enough now to handle a decent load with sub
3ms latency.
Chris
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Thanks Chris. My comps are in a machine room so noise isn't really a factor
> as much as performance with Nuendo, then price.
>
> Any tests on your end with Leopard vs. XP bootcamped? I've seen some Nuendo
> users reporting being able to drop a level of latency (256 to 128) with
> Leopard vs. the last furry animal version. Is core audio improving to be on
> par with ASIO?
>
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
> On 1/8/08 8:10 PM, in article 47843b80$1@linux, "Chris Ludwig"
> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dedric,
>> When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
>> over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
>> possible the default Apple configuration.
>> When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
>> prices grow further apart.
>> Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
>> more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>>
>>
>> Apple config -
>> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>> * One 16x SuperDrive
>> * Apple Mighty Mouse
>> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>> $4848.00
>>
>>
>> ADK Apple Config -
>>
>> * Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>> * 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>> * 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>> * ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>> * One 16x SuperDrive
>> * Apple Mighty Mouse
>> * Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>> * AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>> * ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>>
>> Total - $4293.00
>>
>> Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
>> parts from "New Egg" -
>>
>> Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>> Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>> Genuine Windows Vista Business, with Media
>> 256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
>> 1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
>> 16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
>> C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
>> 320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
>> No Monitor
>> My Accessories
>> USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
>> Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
>> No Floppy Drive
>> Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
>> My Software
>> Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
>> My Services & Warranties
>> 3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
>> No Onsite System Setup
>> Also Included
>> Windows Vista Premium
>>
>> Total - $4573.00
>>
>> (New Eggs parts for the Dell)
>> 2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
>> 4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
>> Total - $500.00
>> Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>>
>> Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave up.
>>
>>
>> Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
>> factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>>
>> To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
>> attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>>> system drive.
>>>
>>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>>> in our
>>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>>> they
>>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>>
>>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>>> controller
>>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>>> case,
>>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house... for
>>>> only
>>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>>> from
>>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>>> from
>>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive on
>>>> the
>>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>>> were
>>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x or
>>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is the
>>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has the
>>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the new
>>>> Mac
>>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> respect
>>>>>>> Nappy
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comBeing a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by Russert,
he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about the
Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>
>
>This is not good...LaMont, I very much value your opinion. I still need more info about RP,
myself. There is one thing he has stated, I believe it's on his website
video isses, in which he's explaining his support for guns that, to me,
gives some merit to your view. He mentions that we wouldn't have as much
violence in inner-cities if we had *more* guns - you'll have to watch it for
a more direct quote in context. I found it strange. I also don't agree with
support for more guns.
peace!,
-Carl
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47851c76$1@linux...
>
> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
> Russert,
> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>
> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about the
> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>
>>
>>This is not good...
>Not Skype as such, but I have a VOIP router and hence can call O.S. generally
for under $2 an hour, which isn't going to break the bank.
Shoot me an email perhaps with your number, however I probably should, at
least, do some actual cleaning of the contacts on the EDS as everyone seems
to have unanimously suggested. I have two things on my todo list before I
panic. ;o)
1) Clean the EDS contacts and
2) I think that one particular PCI slot has been involved in every test,
so I want to try at least one EDS in a different slot.
The EDS contacts don't look dirty, which is why I haven't given them a good
clean. I did look. Also, I would think that of TWO EDS cards, after being
reseated, it seams unlikely that neither would work even intermittantly.
Could be wrong. If I'm going to ask advice though I'd best follow it. ;o)
But from my end the plausable idea that one of the PCI slots has been involved
in every test seems very much to be a possible cause.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
>
>Hi Kim,
>
>Are you on skype? Maybe we could chat about this and see if we can come
>up with something.
>
>Hope to talk to you soon,
>
>Mike
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@Hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4783412b$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Deej,
>>>
>>> Nobody but other smartasses likes a smartass.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>
>>Sheesh!!!.what an ingrate!!!! See if I come to the rescue the next time
>the
>>silicon in the transdermal metering guages starts to bubble and send off
>
>>fumes and you're wondering why a bunch of pasty faced reptilian'esque
>>humanoids come slithering around with glass pipes topped with aluminum
foil
>
>>wanting to smoke the stuff. No more tech support calls for you dude.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>Sheesh!!!.what an ingrate!!!! See if I come to the rescue the next time
the
>silicon in the transdermal metering guages starts to bubble and send off
>fumes and you're wondering why a bunch of pasty faced reptilian'esque
>humanoids come slithering around with glass pipes topped with aluminum foil
>wanting to smoke the stuff. No more tech support calls for you dude.
>
>;o)
Right! That's it! I'm blocking your IP! EVERYBODY knows lizards only smoke
from wooden pipes!
Yee dawgies.
;o)The status quo liberals don't like him because they know he would cut out
government hand out programs, especially the ones based on race. So now
they are calling him a racist. It's a hatchet job.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
>of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by Russert,
>he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
>past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>
>He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about the
>Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
>back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
>is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>
>>
>>This is not good...
>Yep..Nothing wrong with status quo prams that are meant to do good. But, he
is a racist.
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The status quo liberals don't like him because they know he would cut out
>government hand out programs, especially the ones based on race. So now
>they are calling him a racist. It's a hatchet job.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
>>of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
Russert,
>>he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
>>past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>
>>He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
the
>>Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
>>back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
>>is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not good...
>>
>That's why I'm lookng for a person to load Lepoard on my new Dell Inspiron.
This baby has the same specs as a Mac book Pro 2.6.
Then, I'll boot camp it. Run Nuendo oon XP and Logic Pro on Mac OS-X.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Dedric,
>When you configure the Apple and Dell "Apples to Apples" the Dell is
>over $800 more when configuring a Dell machine to match as much as
>possible the default Apple configuration.
>When you load out the machines to what you be a common audio setup
>prices grow further apart.
>Obviously buying the extra stuff from Apple and Dell will cost allot
>more then buying separate and adding it to the machine.
>
>
>Apple config -
>* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>* One 16x SuperDrive
>* Apple Mighty Mouse
>* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>$4848.00
>
>
>ADK Apple Config -
>
>* Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon (8-core)
>* 4GB (4 x 1GB)
>* 320GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* 500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
>* ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT 256MB (Two dual-link DVI)
>* One 16x SuperDrive
>* Apple Mighty Mouse
>* Apple Keyboard (English) + Mac OS X
>* AppleCare Protection Plan for Mac Pro (w/or w/o Display) - Auto-enroll
>* ADK Lifetime Phone and Email Support
>
>Total - $4293.00
>
>Dell Precision T7400- (As striped down as i could get it so I could add
>parts from "New Egg" -
>
>Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5450 (3.00GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
>Genuine Windows Vista™ Business, with Media
>256MB PCIe x16 nVidia NVS 290, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
>1GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
>16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed
>C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
>320GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache™
>No Monitor
>My Accessories
>USB Entry Quietkey, No Hot Keys
>Dell USB 2-Button Mechanical Mouse with Scroll
>No Floppy Drive
>Internal Chassis Speaker,Dell
>My Software
>Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers
>My Services & Warranties
>3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
>No Onsite System Setup
>Also Included
>Windows Vista™ Premium
>
>Total - $4573.00
>
>(New Eggs parts for the Dell)
>2x Seagate 500 Gigs 32meh cache SATA drives - 340.00
>4x 1 Gig DDR2 ECC FB memory - 160.00
>Total - $500.00
>Dell Grand Total - $5073.00
>
>Started to do a HP variation of this but the pricing was o absurd I gave
up.
>
>
>Oh and the Dell is not quiet enough to be in the studio so remember to
>factor in expensive extension cables or a Iso box.
>
>To me Dell and HP's Corporate support plans seem to be the only real
>attractive features but only for large corporate environments.
>
>
>Chris
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> Sorry Thad - didn't mean to imply anything wrong with Dell. My only
>> experience with a Dell was a low end "get what you pay for" consumer
>> model that was forced on me to make into a video editing system by
>> budget makers, rather than the IT pro. If one were looking for a $5000
>> desktop, the Mac might be the better deal.... that's was the only
>> point there. I could have missed some extra cost with the Dell I
>> priced, but it's a WinVista64 large business model, with SATA, no
>> raid(?) and a 256M Nvidia video card, no monitor, keyboard, mouse,
>> system drive.
>>
>> Btw - checked out the CompUSA closeout sale here yesterday - really
>> great deals - after 3 weeks, you can get 20% of items that
>> were marked up 15% over normal selling price just for the sale!!
>> yipeee!! what a deal... right.... can't say I'm sorry to see them go.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:4783c5c9$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yup, Dell really sucks. That's why where I work we have ~250k of them
>>> in our
>>> server rack and that much again on our desktops and portables. 'Cause
>>> they
>>> just suck, and we want to make our live miserable.
>>>
>>> We were just pricing out a dual quad core 3.0 Ghz. With a perc
>>> controller
>>> but no ram/drive upgrades we were a shade over $3600. This was a rack
>>> case,
>>> though, which might be a little cheaper.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> A dual quad 3.2 with 16G of ram would pretty much rock the house...
for
>>> only
>>>> about $6k if you buy ram
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> Actually this is interesting - basically the same dual quad 3.2G system
>>> from
>>>> Dell, base config (2G ram), is more than Apple's (about $5300 vs. $4400
>>> from
>>>> Apple - pretty big difference). That's with only an 80G system drive
on
>>> the
>>>> Dell. Dude.... don't get a Dell.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I ever buy from Dell, but I was curious how the Harpertowns
>>>> were
>>>
>>>> pricing in general.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4783af2d@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Nappy, Happy New Year back atcha!
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, dual quad 45 nm Intel Xeon Harpertowns at 2.8 - 3.2GHz. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dual 2.5 G5 started feeling nervous today.
>>>>>
>>>>> I usually start thinking about upgrading when the speed delta is 4x
or
>>>
>>>>> greater, and even the slowest new one is beyond that. Plus this is
the
>>>
>>>>> second version of the Intel model - should be pretty solid and has
the
>>>
>>>>> newest dual quad setup and some good graphics card options. Tempting.
>>>>>
>>>>> My G5 is probably safe for a while longer, though, if a suitable new
>>>>> laptop comes out at Macworld next week. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nappy wrote:
>>>>>> Happy New Year everybody. it just may be the time to consider the
new
>>> Mac
>>>>>> Pro
>>>>>> with 8 core processors. Apple is getting the store ready now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> respect
>>>>>> Nappy
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762James, even the term "Librals" is a coded word. The Republicans have demonize
that word into meaning (now Under the Bush admin) as un-Patriotic, un-American,
anybody who is a Democrat,gay, or Black.
These labels do nothing but continue to divide us as a nation. Terms like
Evangelicals,Conservatives..yada yada..Rediculous!
Come on now. It's 2008 for pete's sake!!
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>The status quo liberals don't like him because they know he would cut out
>government hand out programs, especially the ones based on race. So now
>they are calling him a racist. It's a hatchet job.
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
>>of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
Russert,
>>he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
>>past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>
>>He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
the
>>Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
>>back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
>>is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not good...
>>
>The monitor? What? Huh? I'm here? What's the probl...
Oh, I see. Yes. That is troubling. Clearly I've been slacking off. Mmm. Yes,
I think I've been a very naughty boy. In fact I've been so naughty I...
....oh this is never going to work is it? Somebody else want to moderate?
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it off!
>Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>
>How's that?
>
>S
>
>
>"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:47845ba4@linux...
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:47843eea$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I just requested her. ;-) Now all I got to do is find a shopping mall
to
>>> have
>>> a grand opening or something!
>>> Rod
>>
>> While you're at it, request this one too.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuleyka_Rivera
>> We need to set up a mud wrestling tournament.
>>
>> OK I'm gonna stop now before Sarah show up and makes me.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>
>Lamont,
What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
words.
Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
I did not catch that.
What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
LaMont wrote:
> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by Russert,
> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about his
> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>
> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about the
> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore, he
> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>
>>
>> This is not good...
>Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on domestic
issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even supporting
those controversial views.
One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word for:
getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the so-called
war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
style politics..
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Lamont,
>
>What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>words.
>
>Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>I did not catch that.
>
>What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code word
>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
Russert,
>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
his
>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>
>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
the
>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take America
>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
he
>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not good...
>>I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know RP's
views on race personally (and
neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views we
would all object to,
but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
politics" makes them racist
is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well be
because it is failing
to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution, but
keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
more
successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying to
change the education system from the inside out,
starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools across
the US have an average
of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level? That's
basic reading and math - 80%
are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but a
lower than realistic level.
I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
systems, not political parties.
Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
community leaders and parents
look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning. No, it's
a public problem that
"we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
responsibility on the students for just
not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't make
someone want to learn. To
the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program aims
to correct learning problems
that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates 20
years to work through the
red tape and establishment that is the current public school system. Doing
away with it just might
save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over 80,000
in a private school system
(can't get access to public schools....).
Regards,
Dedric
"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>
> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on
> domestic
> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
> supporting
> those controversial views.
>
> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word
> for:
> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>
> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
> so-called
> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
> style politics..
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Lamont,
>>
>>What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>
>>words.
>>
>>Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>
>>I did not catch that.
>>
>>What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>>that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>
>>religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>>not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code
>>> word
>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews by
> Russert,
>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
> his
>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>
>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
> the
>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>> America
>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
> he
>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not good...
>>>
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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http://www.ams-neve.com/downloads_all/files/Film/DMC.mov
Digital console, DAW control. No other info. Probably way more than =
the pricepoint we've been discussing
here on controllers, etc.
The Genesys is their new analog console, starting at $50k. I'm guessing =
the DMC (or whatever it is called)
will be that or more.
Dedric
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------=_NextPart_000_0199_01C852E2.1F498EA0--Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
:)
S
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4784d5d7@linux...
>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it off!
>> Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>>
>> How's that?
>>
>> S
>
> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>
> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>
> ;o)
>
>Sarah - don't you realize they're all gay dudes anyway? Ha ha.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:4785751c$1@linux...
> Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
> http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
>
> :)
>
> S
>
>
> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:4784d5d7@linux...
>>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it off!
>>> Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>>>
>>> How's that?
>>>
>>> S
>>
>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>
>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>
>Hahaha. You didn't go to my link, did you. :)
S
"Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:4785767b$1@linux...
> Sarah - don't you realize they're all gay dudes anyway? Ha ha.
>
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
> news:4785751c$1@linux...
>> Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
>> http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
>>
>> :)
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4784d5d7@linux...
>>>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it
>>>> off! Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>>>>
>>>> How's that?
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>
>>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>>
>>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Dedric I could debate you on this for decades my friend. I'll only say this:
As product of an urban public school, I can say that there are many social
and economical factors that have caused the demised on the public school
system.
Since desegration and bussing, white-flight and it's money have done a lot
of damage.
I'll skip forward and say that the American School system as a whole is failing.
I live in a pretty afluent neighbor-hood, and it's school system is horible.
The pribate schools are not that much better.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know RP's
>views on race personally (and
>neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views we
>would all object to,
>but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>politics" makes them racist
> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>
>His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well be
>because it is failing
>to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution, but
>keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>more
>successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>
>Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying to
>change the education system from the inside out,
>starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools across
>the US have an average
>of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level? That's
>basic reading and math - 80%
>are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but a
>lower than realistic level.
>I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>systems, not political parties.
>
>Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>community leaders and parents
>look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning. No, it's
>a public problem that
>"we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>responsibility on the students for just
>not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't make
>someone want to learn. To
>the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program aims
>to correct learning problems
>that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates 20
>years to work through the
>red tape and establishment that is the current public school system. Doing
>away with it just might
>save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over 80,000
>in a private school system
>(can't get access to public schools....).
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on
>> domestic
>> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
>> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
>> supporting
>> those controversial views.
>>
>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word
>> for:
>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>
>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
>> so-called
>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
>> style politics..
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Lamont,
>>>
>>>What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>>
>>>words.
>>>
>>>Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>>
>>>I did not catch that.
>>>
>>>What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>>>that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>>
>>>religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>>>not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code
>>>> word
>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews
by
>> Russert,
>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
>> his
>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>
>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
>> the
>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>>> America
>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
>> he
>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>
>>
>Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing ) the
US educational system. It's horrible.
My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year ) old
when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible. The
kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still students
in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President (Bush)
has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole major
funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student loan(sharks)
have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20 years)
made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology in the
name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening to
think about it.
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know RP's
>views on race personally (and
>neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views we
>would all object to,
>but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>politics" makes them racist
> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>
>His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well be
>because it is failing
>to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution, but
>keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>more
>successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>
>Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying to
>change the education system from the inside out,
>starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools across
>the US have an average
>of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level? That's
>basic reading and math - 80%
>are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but a
>lower than realistic level.
>I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>systems, not political parties.
>
>Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>community leaders and parents
>look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning. No, it's
>a public problem that
>"we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>responsibility on the students for just
>not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't make
>someone want to learn. To
>the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program aims
>to correct learning problems
>that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates 20
>years to work through the
>red tape and establishment that is the current public school system. Doing
>away with it just might
>save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over 80,000
>in a private school system
>(can't get access to public schools....).
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on
>> domestic
>> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
>> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
>> supporting
>> those controversial views.
>>
>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word
>> for:
>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>
>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
>> so-called
>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
>> style politics..
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Lamont,
>>>
>>>What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>>
>>>words.
>>>
>>>Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>>
>>>I did not catch that.
>>>
>>>What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>>>that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>>
>>>religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>>>not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code
>>>> word
>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews
by
>> Russert,
>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
>> his
>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>
>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
>> the
>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>>> America
>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
>> he
>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7da84ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>
>>
>I can't go to this link because homeland security might get wind of it and
put me on the gay watchlist.
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:478578a7@linux...
> Hahaha. You didn't go to my link, did you. :)
>
> S
>
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4785767b$1@linux...
>> Sarah - don't you realize they're all gay dudes anyway? Ha ha.
>>
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:4785751c$1@linux...
>>> Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
>>> http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4784d5d7@linux...
>>>>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it
>>>>> off! Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>>>>>
>>>>> How's that?
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>>
>>>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Hehe... I can assure you that the link was "self moderated". ;o)
"Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote:
>I can't go to this link because homeland security might get wind of it and
>put me on the gay watchlist.
>
>
>"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:478578a7@linux...
>> Hahaha. You didn't go to my link, did you. :)
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4785767b$1@linux...
>>> Sarah - don't you realize they're all gay dudes anyway? Ha ha.
>>>
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4785751c$1@linux...
>>>> Well, thanks, but I already got 'em online ----->
>>>> http://www.chipndaleonline.com/
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Deej" <noway@jose.org> wrote in message news:4784e5e1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4784d5d7@linux...
>>>>>> Huh . . . ? Oh . . . uh, yeah . . . ahem . . . er, Hey! Knock it
>>>>>> off! Off topic! Off topic! Sexism! Monitor?! Where's the monitor!?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How's that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>> WHEW!!! I thought you'd never show up. That works fine. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOU a visit from the Chippendale boys.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many public
schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded systems).
For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy, or
program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality of
education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity and
sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it will take
decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and for
pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private innovation is
drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a problem.
For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school (IB
program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level, problems
aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I attended
schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing) suburban and
urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to our 2
year system, from first to 12th grade). That was a few years ago, and
people have changed; society has changed. Problems are more widespread at
earlier ages. Is that the government's fault for not throwing more money at
the problem? No, it's a failure at the family and individual level, which
transfers to every job and responsibility taken by any individual in a given
community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or local
school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot one
another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and becomes a
part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities and
better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long. Schools
that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might be
interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the history of
the school in your neighborhood.
If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes, it's
abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to be
managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already are.
I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and the
realities of what causes problems in society.
We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims rather
than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all heard
the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach
a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"... it is true. But if he
doesn't want to learn to fish and just wants you to give him one, he'll be
hungry the next day. If you don't give him one then, he'll start
considering stealing.
What I personally would discourage is a victim mentality. We are only what
we are individually out of choice, unless you believe we are only what our
environment allows, and nothing more. Circumstances aren't always
favorable, or even tolerable, but blaming the government carte blanche for
the ils of society is in fact part of the problem, if not a majority cause.
³No great man ever complains of want of opportunity.²
                                               Ralph Waldo Emerson
In support of this, 2/3 of today's billionaires were dirt poor when they
started out... it takes more the open doors to become successful - it takes
determination. That's what isn't being taught in schools, at home or in our
society. I know of other billionaires working on revamping the education
system - not just the Gates Foundation.
The point is, we can change our government until the cows come home, but if
people who work and live at the local level don't want to change, then
voting for change is a fool's folly. Making one's own opportunities is the
most certain way to solve a problem.
PS: Why do you say "your President"? Have you changed your citizenship?
:-)
We don't have to go on with this - probably enough OT threads for this week.
Email me offline if you prefer. I think I've about exhausted my time
allocation for OT this month. ;-))
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/9/08 11:15 PM, in article 4785a9ef$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing ) the
> US educational system. It's horrible.
>
> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year ) old
> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible. The
> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>
> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still students
> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>
> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President (Bush)
> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole major
> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
> loan(sharks)
> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>
> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20 years)
> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology in the
> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening to
> think about it.
>
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know RP's
>
>> views on race personally (and
>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views we
>
>> would all object to,
>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>> politics" makes them racist
>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>
>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well be
>
>> because it is failing
>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution, but
>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>
>> more
>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>
>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying to
>
>> change the education system from the inside out,
>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools across
>
>> the US have an average
>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level? That's
>
>> basic reading and math - 80%
>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but a
>
>> lower than realistic level.
>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>> systems, not political parties.
>>
>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>
>> community leaders and parents
>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning. No, it's
>
>> a public problem that
>> "we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>> responsibility on the students for just
>> not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't make
>
>> someone want to learn. To
>> the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program aims
>
>> to correct learning problems
>> that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates 20
>
>> years to work through the
>> red tape and establishment that is the current public school system. Doing
>
>> away with it just might
>> save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over 80,000
>
>> in a private school system
>> (can't get access to public schools....).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on
>
>>> domestic
>>> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
>>> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
>>> supporting
>>> those controversial views.
>>>
>>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word
>
>>> for:
>>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>>
>>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
>>> so-called
>>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
>>> style politics..
>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>> Lamont,
>>>>
>>>> What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>>>
>>>> words.
>>>>
>>>> Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>>>
>>>> I did not catch that.
>>>>
>>>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>>>
>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code
>
>>>>> word
>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews
> by
>>> Russert,
>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
>>> his
>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>>
>>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
>>> the
>>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>>>> America
>>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
>>> he
>>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7d
>>>>>> a84ca
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>I would agree withg you that some federal spending on education could and
needs to be reworked..
But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work ". People, companys,farmers,this
country ) needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you will.
If you are a spiritual man, than you lean to rely on the Lord for things
that you can't do. Bottom line, everybody form time to time needs a helphand,
and yes a blessing, gift, handout, bailout..
Your kind of thinking is a typical white man's point of view. You take out
the race. This country is not fair to all. Do we agree on that?
I know of folks (African Americans)who have tried but have been denied (even
through qualified) oportunities,jobs, houses, loans
So, you can traach a man to fish hunt, But, if that man, is told that he
can't hunt nor fish on this land or pond, or he is not qualified, then what??
I do'nt buy this pull you self up lingo in this country. Wait, I do belive
that if you are white.. And, yes, some of us blacks do make in by some unbelievable
obstacales that would have made most quit..
Back to education: I would say that our elementary and middle education is
fine...but, it's the high schools, and better the students..These kids are
out of control. Reguardless of race. The teachers are of at cross-roads with
this generation teeangers. This is all behavioral. Hip-Hop has had an major
-downside effect on American Teens..
I don't have an answer to that..BTW, I'm a conservative Democrat(Aka Blue
Dog-Christain). I give Tithes and offering to help and feed/cloth the poor.
Your hero Ron Reagan was on Welfare. Did'nt stay on it, but like many others,needed
that helping hand (AKa Hand out)..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many public
>schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded systems).
>
>For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
>cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy, or
>program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality of
>education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity and
>sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it will
take
>decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
>phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and for
>pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private innovation
is
>drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a problem.
>
>For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school (IB
>program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level, problems
>aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I attended
>schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing) suburban
and
>urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to our
2
>year system, from first to 12th grade). That was a few years ago, and
>people have changed; society has changed. Problems are more widespread
at
>earlier ages. Is that the government's fault for not throwing more money
at
>the problem? No, it's a failure at the family and individual level, which
>transfers to every job and responsibility taken by any individual in a given
>community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or local
>school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot
one
>another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and becomes
a
>part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities
and
>better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long. Schools
>that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might be
>interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the history
of
>the school in your neighborhood.
>
>If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes, it's
>abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to be
>managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already are.
>I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and the
>realities of what causes problems in society.
>
>We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims rather
>than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all heard
>the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach
>a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"... it is true. But if he
>doesn't want to learn to fish and just wants you to give him one, he'll
be
>hungry the next day. If you don't give him one then, he'll start
>considering stealing.
>
>What I personally would discourage is a victim mentality. We are only what
>we are individually out of choice, unless you believe we are only what our
>environment allows, and nothing more. Circumstances aren't always
>favorable, or even tolerable, but blaming the government carte blanche for
>the ils of society is in fact part of the problem, if not a majority cause.
>
>³No great man ever complains of want of opportunity.²
> Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>In support of this, 2/3 of today's billionaires were dirt poor when they
>started out... it takes more the open doors to become successful - it takes
>determination. That's what isn't being taught in schools, at home or in
our
>society. I know of other billionaires working on revamping the education
>system - not just the Gates Foundation.
>
>The point is, we can change our government until the cows come home, but
if
>people who work and live at the local level don't want to change, then
>voting for change is a fool's folly. Making one's own opportunities is
the
>most certain way to solve a problem.
>
>PS: Why do you say "your President"? Have you changed your citizenship?
>:-)
>
>We don't have to go on with this - probably enough OT threads for this week.
>Email me offline if you prefer. I think I've about exhausted my time
>allocation for OT this month. ;-))
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 1/9/08 11:15 PM, in article 4785a9ef$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing
) the
>> US educational system. It's horrible.
>>
>> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year )
old
>> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible. The
>> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
>> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
>> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
>> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>>
>> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still students
>> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>>
>> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President (Bush)
>> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole
major
>> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
>> loan(sharks)
>> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>>
>> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20
years)
>> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology in
the
>> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening
to
>> think about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> I only read part of the originally posted transcript and don't know RP's
>>
>>> views on race personally (and
>>> neither does anyone else apparently) so he may or may not have views
we
>>
>>> would all object to,
>>> but just have to interject that just saying someone's "good ole boy
>>> politics" makes them racist
>>> is in itself stereotyping and just as prejudiced.
>>>
>>> His reasoning for getting rid of the Department of Education may well
be
>>
>>> because it is failing
>>> to do it's job (I don't know if getting rid of it is the solution, but
>>> keeping it "status quo" is not, for certain).
>>> Charter schools, private and alternative approach schools are significantly
>>
>>> more
>>> successful currently (I have inside info to know this).
>>>
>>> Lamont, I worked with an entrepreneur (and his partner company) trying
to
>>
>>> change the education system from the inside out,
>>> starting with inner city schools. Did you know that urban schools across
>>
>>> the US have an average
>>> of 80% student population falling below a basic proficiency level? That's
>>
>>> basic reading and math - 80%
>>> are below a very basic level - not a higher than realistic level, but
a
>>
>>> lower than realistic level.
>>> I don't recall all of the stats, but it blew me away just how bad the
>>> education system is. Atlanta is in terrible shape.
>>> Others are doing poorly as well. These are their stats from schools
>>> systems, not political parties.
>>>
>>> Who's failure is that? Politicians in Washington? Not unless teachers,
>>
>>> community leaders and parents
>>> look to Washington for instruction when they get up each morning. No,
it's
>>
>>> a public problem that
>>> "we the people" are ignoring, and it's hard to not put a bit of
>>> responsibility on the students for just
>>> not caring enough to try harder. All the money in the world can't make
>>
>>> someone want to learn. To
>>> the support of students who haven't had a chance, my friend's program
aims
>>
>>> to correct learning problems
>>> that are holding a lot of kids back - and it works - but he estimates
20
>>
>>> years to work through the
>>> red tape and establishment that is the current public school system.
Doing
>>
>>> away with it just might
>>> save a few hundred thousand kids. They are already working with over
80,000
>>
>>> in a private school system
>>> (can't get access to public schools....).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47855784$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hey Bill, when Russert pressed RP on his past voting, writen views on
>>
>>>> domestic
>>>> issues, they were in line with the good O'l boy politics. When questioned
>>>> about those thngs he tried to deny saying them and voting or even
>>>> supporting
>>>> those controversial views.
>>>>
>>>> One comment was: To do away with the Department of Education: Code word
>>
>>>> for:
>>>> getting rid of public (Inner city) education..
>>>>
>>>> While, I agree with his stance on the current administration and the
>>>> so-called
>>>> war, I disagree with his kind of politics in general, which is old Texas
>>>> style politics..
>>>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the code words? What did he actually say? I want to know those
>>>>
>>>>> words.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where did he say he wants to take the US back to 1940 on race relations?
>>>>
>>>>> I did not catch that.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I have heard him say is that he does not believe in addressing
>>>>> problems of groups, but that it should be of individuals. I agree with
>>>>> that. Any effort to lump people together as group, whether it be racial,
>>>>
>>>>> religious, political or sexual generates generalities that may or may
>>>>> not apply. Only specific truths and viewpoints lead to solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> Being a student of racial affairs of this nation, you learn the code
>>
>>>>>> word
>>>>>> of Racist. I's a disguised language of codes words. When interviews
>> by
>>>> Russert,
>>>>>> he RP started saying those coded words. When Russert pressed on about
>>>> his
>>>>>> past voting record and writings, he got angry and then "cracked"..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He's a Texan Reacist. Period. Yeah, he's saying the right things about
>>>> the
>>>>>> Iraq situation, but on the domestic front, this dude whats to take
>>>>>> America
>>>>>> back into the 1940-50s on race relations. That's not good. Therefore,
>>>> he
>>>>>> is a Kook..A hack, a Third rate Racist Texas Politicition..
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=e2f15397-a3c7-4720 -ac15-4532a7d
>>>>>>> a84ca
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not good...
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Lamont, don't take offense to this, but your post sounds as racist and
prejudiced as I've heard, and certainly in the context that it is directed
at me. I'm not going to get into this further as it's going nowhere and I
don't have any interest in sharing my personal life experiences online (that
would have to be over coffee in person - perhaps we'll have a chance
someday), but trust me when I say, when referring to me as "typical white
man" or "your hero Ron Reagan" you have no idea what you are talking about.
None. You are judging me without knowing me or any facts whatsoever. That's
shortsighted at best, racist at worst - not an accusation, just an
observation. Again, no personal offense intended at all - just hoping you
can see the reality of how your words and point of view come across. It's
hard to gain sympathy for a problem you may face if you treat others the
same way.
To end on a less personal note, there is a huge difference between helping
the poor and handing out token freebies as a government program in hopes of
changing a society. Monumental difference.
In truth it's our society that should be helping one another at the
community, neighborhood and personal level. We develop programs to expand
what we want to do personally on a smaller scale, but eventually the effect
is watered down both financially among other costs, and certainly on a
personal level as there is no personal interaction. I think most of us are
guilty of relying on another organization, church, or government to do the
work while we drop a check in the mail or the basket to feel better for it,
when the person who needs a hand most might be next door. I know I am
guilty of that. Just a thought.
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/10/08 1:18 AM, in article 4785c6ad$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I would agree withg you that some federal spending on education could and
> needs to be reworked..
>
> But, I totaly disagree with you about "Handouts never work ". People,
> companys,farmers,this
> country ) needs bailouts , and have excpeted handouts, bailouts if you will.
>
> If you are a spiritual man, than you lean to rely on the Lord for things
> that you can't do. Bottom line, everybody form time to time needs a helphand,
> and yes a blessing, gift, handout, bailout..
>
> Your kind of thinking is a typical white man's point of view. You take out
> the race. This country is not fair to all. Do we agree on that?
> I know of folks (African Americans)who have tried but have been denied (even
> through qualified) oportunities,jobs, houses, loans
>
> So, you can traach a man to fish hunt, But, if that man, is told that he
> can't hunt nor fish on this land or pond, or he is not qualified, then what??
>
> I do'nt buy this pull you self up lingo in this country. Wait, I do belive
> that if you are white.. And, yes, some of us blacks do make in by some
> unbelievable
> obstacales that would have made most quit..
>
> Back to education: I would say that our elementary and middle education is
> fine...but, it's the high schools, and better the students..These kids are
> out of control. Reguardless of race. The teachers are of at cross-roads with
> this generation teeangers. This is all behavioral. Hip-Hop has had an major
> -downside effect on American Teens..
>
> I don't have an answer to that..BTW, I'm a conservative Democrat(Aka Blue
> Dog-Christain). I give Tithes and offering to help and feed/cloth the poor.
> Your hero Ron Reagan was on Welfare. Did'nt stay on it, but like many
> others,needed
> that helping hand (AKa Hand out)..
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hi Lamont - so you agree with me that urban school systems, and many public
>> schools are not working under "status quo" (e.g. federally funded systems).
>>
>> For reference, my info is from people who have dedicated years to this
>> cause, so it isn't idle speculation or personal frustration, and the
>> solution isn't even in the ballpark of a government program, policy, or
>> program. There are simple solutions that could improve the quality of
>> education for each child in this country, but due to the complexity and
>> sluggish nature of our education system (being federally tied), it will
> take
>> decades to make a dent, if at all. I've seen the program work - it's
>> phenomenal and could do what no amount of federal funding could, and for
>> pennies per child, if not free. That's where personal/private innovation
> is
>> drastically more effective than waiting for a government to solve a problem.
>>
>> For additional reference, my son goes to an alternative public school (IB
>> program) and it is excellent. Granted, at the elementary level, problems
>> aren't as bad as higher grades (though there are exceptions). I attended
>> schools in all parts of our home town (as a product of bussing) suburban
> and
>> urban - some were good, some were just okay (5 different ones due to our
> 2
>> year system, from first to 12th grade). That was a few years ago, and
>> people have changed; society has changed. Problems are more widespread
> at
>> earlier ages. Is that the government's fault for not throwing more money
> at
>> the problem? No, it's a failure at the family and individual level, which
>> transfers to every job and responsibility taken by any individual in a given
>> community or society. No one from federal or local governments, or local
>> school systems is encouraging young teenagers to become pregnant, shoot
> one
>> another, or take drugs. That happens as a product of society and becomes
> a
>> part of every aspect of that society. We can make better opportunities
> and
>> better environments with enough money, but it only lasts so long. Schools
>> that are now problematic, were probably great 20 years ago. Might be
>> interesting to check the test scores and pass/fail rates for the history
> of
>> the school in your neighborhood.
>>
>> If you check what Ron Paul and the Republican Liberty Caucus proposes, it's
>> abolishing the Federal Department of Education - leaving schools to be
>> managed at the state and local levels, which the pretty much already are.
>> I'm not making a statement either way - just clarifying the facts and the
>> realities of what causes problems in society.
>>
>> We are fast becoming a bleeding heart, woe-is-me country of victims rather
>> than innovators and problem solvers. Handouts never work - we've all heard
>> the Chinese proverb - "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach
>> a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"... it is true. But if he
>> doesn't want to learn to fish and just wants you to give him one, he'll
> be
>> hungry the next day. If you don't give him one then, he'll start
>> considering stealing.
>>
>> What I personally would discourage is a victim mentality. We are only what
>> we are individually out of choice, unless you believe we are only what our
>> environment allows, and nothing more. Circumstances aren't always
>> favorable, or even tolerable, but blaming the government carte blanche for
>> the ils of society is in fact part of the problem, if not a majority cause.
>>
>> ³No great man ever complains of want of opportunity.²
>> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Ralph Waldo Emerson
>>
>> In support of this, 2/3 of today's billionaires were dirt poor when they
>> started out... it takes more the open doors to become successful - it takes
>> determination. That's what isn't being taught in schools, at home or in
> our
>> society. I know of other billionaires working on revamping the education
>> system - not just the Gates Foundation.
>>
>> The point is, we can change our government until the cows come home, but
> if
>> people who work and live at the local level don't want to change, then
>> voting for change is a fool's folly. Making one's own opportunities is
> the
>> most certain way to solve a problem.
>>
>> PS: Why do you say "your President"? Have you changed your citizenship?
>> :-)
>>
>> We don't have to go on with this - probably enough OT threads for this week.
>> Email me offline if you prefer. I think I've about exhausted my time
>> allocation for OT this month. ;-))
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 1/9/08 11:15 PM, in article 4785a9ef$1@linux, "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Cont: I'm a big supporter of the Bill and Melinda Gates (re-inventing
> ) the
>>> US educational system. It's horrible.
>>>
>>> My wie and I are agonising over what school to send our baby (2 year )
> old
>>> when shes turns five(school age). These suburban schools a horrible. The
>>> kids lack manners. Are having sex (in school). Cursing out the teachers.
>>> Girls dress like strippers. Horrible. When we invested into this community,
>>> we did not expect the local school system to be this bad.
>>> ANd, we're told the private schools are not that much better.
>>>
>>> BUT, do i want to kill public education. For it's ills, there still students
>>> in this nation who are "learning". Can it improve, yes..
>>>
>>> Speaking of the goverment throwing more money..Well, your President (Bush)
>>> has underfunded the No Child Left Behind program big time. Then, stole
> major
>>> funding to our public universities, while letting Predatory Student
>>> loan(sharks)
>>> have their way and in-debt students for life..(I digress) :)
>>>
>>> What's really broke is America. Our Gov has has been (for the last 20
> years)
>>> made a concerted effort to dumb us all down andslow down technology in
> the
>>> name of NAtional Security. We so behind in so many areas it's saddening
> to
>>> think about it.
>>
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