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Mon, 17 March 2008 20:13   |
chuck duffy
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>-Brian
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>"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
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>>Hi Guys,
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>>Do you mind if I ask why you guys are selling? I'm just trying to figure
>>out what the best next step is for me in terms of PARIS software development.
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>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
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>>
>>"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure what the going rates are but my experience has been that
>it
>>>will
>>>>go much much quicker if you sell as separates.
>>>
>>>I'm in the same boat, debating selling my whole Paris rig. I'm guessing
>>>that people are mostly wanting to grab up the EDS and i/o cards. You probably
>>>won't need a MEC unless you are wanting to start out from scratch with
>Paris.
>>> Will the MEC have any value at all if I part out the rig or will it just
>>>be a boat anchor?
>>>
>>>-Brian
>>
>I can understand a little bit, but all my large Norwegian family speak
perfect English so I never learned much. They did not offer Norsk in
school. What is "hardtrenning"?
erlilo wrote:
> Bill, har du gaatt i hardtrening med norsken?-)
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:483964fa@linux...
>> Tusen takk for musikken! Som er utmerket.
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>> erlilo wrote:
>>> Here's some of my clients up against the years, playing a Norwegian
>>> "Bluegrass" tune.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzlVUE5n5Dc
>>>
>>> Erling
>>>
>>>
>>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>> news:48386748@linux...
>>>> After watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little taste
>>>> of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause things is
>>>> 'bout to get real funky:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
>>>>
>>>> And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ
>I pretty much gave up on George Benson when he started to sing, but how about
this in the funky dept.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBnQvd_xzs
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>After watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little taste
>of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause things is
>'bout to get real funky:
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
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>And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQHey Deej,
Glad you're feeling better. I've developed a general curiosity about the
domestic oil/gas business in my new job. I don't envy you doing what you
do.
Also nice to see native is getting good enough to be the real deal for you.
I've been talking about native for years, as you know, and in the long run
we'll _all_ be doing native. And I mean the Mutt Lang types as well. Moore's
law spares no one.
My fave thing about the quality of native is that it's letting me put my
big bucks where it really matters, into a smaller number of choices pieces
of analog gear like mics and analog synths.
TCB
"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
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>Well, the last couple of months or so has been
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| Re: China [message #97011 is a reply to message #97006] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 00:03 |
excelav
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news:48386748@linux...
>>>>> After watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little
>>>>> taste of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause
>>>>> things is 'bout to get real funky:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
>>>>>
>>>>> And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ
>>>have built a great DSP emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a
>native CPU.
Would a port of all the effects to VST be close enough?Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more info
to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting out
an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
our access to our "back catalogs".
I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others, but
I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least one
of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely" and
"within a reasonably short timeframe".
BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
the community for significant sums of money for development specific only to
PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than raw
numbers might dictate.
>>>>
Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer to
do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure you
can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>>>
So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready to
be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're a
good guesser :D).
Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
whatever we can lay our hands on.
In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to be
the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent it
to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
BTW,
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| Re: China [message #97012 is a reply to message #97002] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 00:31 |
excelav
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I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's a
name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>>
As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just an
"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it to
go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
developments if everything worked out well.
So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway - a
component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a full
rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
effort instead?
In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
EDS card.
I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own, that
I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
know what you think.
- Kerry GallowayHI Kerry-
I'm in Toronto area, but would be willing to handle the shipping
etc of an EDS card. _It needs repair by The Soniq_ which I would pay for.
Ideally, it would be nice after having it repaired, and
with the prospect of the hardware being more usable to have it returned at
some point in the future. Is this possible? It's not
a deal breaker, but a preference.
Ted
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
info
>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>
>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
out
>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>
>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to o
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| Re: China [message #97016 is a reply to message #97005] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 02:08 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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ity member who lives in the 48
>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
be
>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
it
>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>
>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
a
>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>
>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>
>>>>>
>
>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
an
>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
to
>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>developments if everything worked out well.
>
>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
- a
>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
full
>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>effort instead?
>
>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>EDS card.
>
>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
that
>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>know what you think.
>
>- Kerry Galloway
>Thanks for the offer, Ted - and that's a great question. I don't know and
it's open for discussion. Our "best case" scenario is naturally that a
developer gets enthusiastic and wants to keep working with us, and thus the
rig.
- Kerry
On 5/25/08 1:29 PM, in article 4839cc13@linux, "Ted Gerber"
<tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> HI Kerry-
>
> I'm in Toronto area, but would be willing to handle the shipping
> etc of an EDS card. _It needs repair by The Soniq_ which I would pay for.
> Ideally, it would be nice after having it repaired, and
> with the prospect of the hardware being more usable to have it returned at
> some point in the future. Is this possible? It's not
> a deal breaker, but a preference.
>
> Ted
>
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
> info
>> to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>
>> Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
> out
>> an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>
>> As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>> various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>> to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are very
>> interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>
>> Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>> PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>> Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>> investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>> independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>> driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>> feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>> the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>> our access to our "back catalogs".
>>
>> I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted many
>> hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
> but
>> I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>> and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
> one
>> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
> and
>> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>
>> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>> the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
> to
>> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one: Mike
>> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>
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| Re: China [message #97017 is a reply to message #97012] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 02:21 |
erlilo
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;> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
> raw
>> numbers might dictate.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>
>> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't have
>> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
> to
>> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
> you
>> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
> to
>> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
> a
>> good guesser :D).
>>
>> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at least
>> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS can
>> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry, we
>> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>
>> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer to
> be
>> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
> it
>> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>>
>> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
> a
>> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>
>> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>> it winds up being, with p
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| Re: China [message #97018 is a reply to message #97002] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 05:37 |
TCB
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icking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>> for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
> an
>> "assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>> idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
> to
>> go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>
>> PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>> selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>> than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>> developments if everything worked out well.
>>
>> So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>> dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
> - a
>> component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
> full
>> rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>> effort instead?
>>
>> In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>> community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>> the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>> EDS card.
>>
>> I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
> that
>> I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>> know what you think.
>>
>> - Kerry Galloway
>>
>Definitely a big step in the right direction, IMO. If my understanding of
the structures is correct, having the same 'vat' of headroom will be * key
to that paris sound, so there is likely to be some math involved on the
front and back end moving bitrates around. That would likely be the ticket
here, if we could emulate the mix bus and insert 'that' as a VST in the mix
bus of native DAWs. The next hurdle I'd see is getting it to work correctly
past 48k, which may or may not be a hurdle, but it's an important feature.
If Doug W can make that fader pack affordable and usable with both Paris and
Native-land it will also help greatly with the paris to native transitions.
Some folks aren't going to go easily, some have already left and some (like
myself) are using which ever tool best suits the situation at hand. Native
latency still stinks on the overall, IMO. You gotta spend lots to fix it,
although I'm hoping the Yamaha / Steiny thing will resolve much of that.
The reason I say the emulation is that you can load up an emulation device
(and use ASIO to address the unknown audio interface), fire the Paris
software to it, and load as many vitual EDS cards as you want or need (not
to be confused with the native mixes available.. those SUCK a
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| Re: China [message #97028 is a reply to message #97006] |
Tue, 18 March 2008 08:14 |
Bill L
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>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to this
>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing it
to
>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>
>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth more
>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>developments if everything worked out well.
>
>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
- a
>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
full
>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>effort instead?
>
>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to a
>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>EDS card.
>
>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
that
>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>know what you think.
>
>- Kerry Galloway
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Deej,
>
>Glad you're feeling better. I've developed a general curiosity about the
>domestic oil/gas business in my new job. I don't envy you doing what you
>do.
>
>Also nice to see native is getting good enough to be the real deal for you.
>I've been talking about native for years, as you know, and in the long run
>we'll _all_ be doing native. And I mean the Mutt Lang types as well. Moore's
>law spares no one.
>
>My fave thing about the quality of native is that it's letting me put my
>big bucks where it really matters, into a smaller number of choices pieces
>of analog gear like mics and analog synths.
>
>TCB
>
Well.......I thought I was gonna have to eat some major crow today. I was
configuring a basic template and all of a sudden the whole then started losing
sync....and I mean, like..........totally FUBAR. I was finally able to trace
it down to a couple of settings with the control panel in my AES32 card that
needed to change. That one is digitally interfacing with all my outboard
reverbs. I'm clocking/syncing 17 different interfaces here. All is well now
though....and to think.....when I sold my Paris system, I did it thinking
that I was going to "simplify" things.
It is running soooooo nicely now........and everything just integrates so
flawlessly and it's so friggin cool!!
You can take the boy out of the madhouse, but you can't take the madhouse
out of the boy.
;o)It's not GB in particular, it's the entire genre. There are only a few genres
of music that drive me nuts no matter how well they're done. For example,
in general I'm not a big country music fan but I _love_ George Jones, Townes
van Zandt, Allison Kraus, Steve Earle, and so on. Not a big heavy metal fan
but enjoy AC/CD and Motorhead just fine. But I've yet to hear a smooth jazz
outfit that I could stand listening to.
So in GB's case, his starting to sing more or less coincided with his turn
into the smooth jazz world. When he was a bumping young kid playing in organ
trios I love his stuff, but that's where I lose the plot.
Nothing personal, and I don't deny his talent and chops, but I don't deny
Joe Satriani's chops either but I don't listen to him.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Yeah the drummer's really cool.
>
>But why would you give up on GB just because he sings? He has too much
>talent? He actually was a pro singer as a child, before he was the jazz
>great he became.
>
>Thing is he still plays the same but he also sings great. The reason i
>posted that vid is because it shows how funky he is on guitar AND
>vocals. I cannot think of another musician who can totally hang with
>*anyone* on both their instrument and vocals. Can you?
>
>TCB wrote:
>> I pretty much gave up on George Benson when he started to sing, but how
about
>> this in the funky dept.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBnQvd_xzs
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>> After watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little taste
>>
>>> of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause things is
>>> 'bout to get real funky:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
>>>
>>> And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ
>>Hi DJ,
This is what they said:
Hello,
latency is measured from inout to output.
Regards,
Daniel Fuchs
RME
Those are spectacular numbers for a native system. Even at 2.25 ms, that's
pretty good.
Very cool. Thanks for letting us know about it.
Mike
Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>
>"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
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Bill L
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>>DJ, are the latency values round trip or based on input and output buffers?
>>
>>
>>I emailed RME the same questions, but I thought you might know.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>
>Mike,
>
>I think thereis an extra 32k of round trip latency involved with the RME
>gear, so 64k buffers (a/k/a 1.5ms latency) is actually around 2.25ms. RME
>won't admit that there this voodoo going on so I'd be surprised if they
answer
>you. AFAIK, the LynxTwo series of cards has the best low latency performance,
>or at least that's what I read on the various forums. chris Ludwig would
>probaly be a better authority on this than I.
>
>;o)
>
>I don't know what Brian's looking to get for his system, but if enough of
us were to contribute $10 or $15 to the cause we could probably make it
happen. Could we set up a PayPal account to gather Paris development funds?
Gantt
"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>I'm not really in the right financial shape to donate a rig (Out of work/Starting
>a new business), but I am looking to part with my rig. If any Paris die-hards
>want to buy my rig at a reasonable price and donate it for development let
>me know. I was about to post it to the FS group. I'm looking through the
>old posts now to figure out what it's worth.
>
>Here's what I've got in Austin,TX:
>All of these are in Black
>
>MEC
>442
>(2) EDS
>8in card
>8out card
>ADAT card
>(2) C16
>
>It's running Paris 3.0 on an older Athlon XP/WinXP system -w- 1GB RAM.
I
>was going to re-purpose the PC for something else but would take offers
for
>it too.
>
>-Brian
>
>
>
>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>Hi all. I was going to save this post for a bit longer until I had more
>info
>>to share, but it seems particularly timely today.
>>
>>Sorry this is a bit long - the summary is at the end. But as I'm putting
>out
>>an appeal here, you should have full access to my "source code" :D
>>
>>As my previous posts have implied, I've been busy contacting people in
>>various places about the possibilities of pushing PARIS forward. I've talked
>>to many companies/developers. Some names might surprise you. There are
very
>>interesting avenues to pursue, and obstacles to overcome to get there.
>>
>>Development involving the PARIS app itself (eg EDS plugins or the FaderWorks
>>PDC advances) looks to be in excellent hands courtesy of Mike Audet and
>>Dimitrios and others. I'm focusing my own efforts elsewhere - I'm
>>investigating what alternatives might exist for the PARIS hardware
>>independent of the PARIS app. This involves investigating things like what
>>driver options could be pursued; what alternative "front end" apps might
>>feasibly be adapted to access the PARIS hardware; and how we might obtain
>>the ability to import/migrate ppjs/pafs into another app to "future proof"
>>our access to our "back catalogs".
>>
>>I can only promise I'm working hard in the background and have devoted
many
>>hours already to the effort. I can't make promises on behalf of others,
>but
>>I see the bulk of items on my list as more "to do" items than a "wish list",
>>and if two minor goals I'm working towards happen then I'd rate at least
>one
>>of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly likely"
>and
>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>
>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved asking
>>the community for significant sums of money for development specific only
>to
>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with great
>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in the
>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm instead
>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this one:
Mike
>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some 400
>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months amongst
>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market of that
>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build their
>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into investigating
>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has existing code
>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the PARIS
>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers than
>raw
>>numbers might dictate.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>
>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they don't
have
>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and buy. Given
>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a developer
>to
>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase a PARIS
>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising a
>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being sure
>you
>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, and those
>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us - then
>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to them*.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
>to
>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've guessed
>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
>a
>>good guesser :D).
>>
>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
least
>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS
can
>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry,
we
>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>
>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer
to
>be
>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that received
>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
>it
>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it elsewhere.
>>
>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I
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Tue, 18 March 2008 08:24 |
Bill L
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'm in Canada - don't even ask
>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
>a
>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>
>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer, whoever
>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money" costs
>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
>an
>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
this
>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing
it
>to
>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>
>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
more
>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>
>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's gathering
>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
>- a
>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
>full
>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>>effort instead?
>>
>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to
a
>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a single
>>EDS card.
>>
>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
>that
>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>>know what you think.
>>
>>- Kerry Galloway
>>
>Cool, I dig.
TCB wrote:
> It's not GB in particular, it's the entire genre. There are only a few genres
> of music that drive me nuts no matter how well they're done. For example,
> in general I'm not a big country music fan but I _love_ George Jones, Townes
> van Zandt, Allison Kraus, Steve Earle, and so on. Not a big heavy metal fan
> but enjoy AC/CD and Motorhead just fine. But I've yet to hear a smooth jazz
> outfit that I could stand listening to.
>
> So in GB's case, his starting to sing more or less coincided with his turn
> into the smooth jazz world. When he was a bumping young kid playing in organ
> trios I love his stuff, but that's where I lose the plot.
>
> Nothing personal, and I don't deny his talent and chops, but I don't deny<
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Tue, 18 March 2008 11:58 |
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;feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a pre-assembled,
>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig, ready
>>to
>>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've
>>>guessed
>>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well, you're
>>a
>>>good guesser :D).
>>>
>>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing at
> least
>>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS
> can
>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this "sorry,
> we
>>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll settle for
>>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>
>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer
> to
>>be
>>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that
>>>received
>>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and sent
>>it
>>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a long-term
>>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it
>>>elsewhere.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even ask
>>>what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and the
>>>delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, and he's
>>a
>>>name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are some
>>>commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for his.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,
>>>whoever
>>>it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd propose
>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let the
>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer money"
>>>costs
>>>for a community to absorb, rather than a lump for an individual.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>As mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's just
>>an
>>>"assessment" call to determine if folks would give concrete support to
> this
>>>idea. I'd put everyone fully in the picture on *where* I was proposing
> it
>>to
>>>go (and of course *why*) when I made the actual call for components.
>>>
>>>PARIS hardware prices have plummeted so far that the gear's hardly worth
>>>selling now - ($25 for a C16? Feh, the faders in it are probably worth
> more
>>>than that as salvage!), and there's the possibility of very exciting
>>>developments if everything worked out well.
>>>
>>>So if you're contemplating blowing PARIS gear out at absurd "it's
>>>gathering
>>>dust, make me an offer, just get it out of here" fire-sale prices anyway
>>- a
>>>component or two, or an old but functional PARIS-equipped PC, or even a
>>full
>>>rig - would you consider donating components to such a "development rig"
>>>effort instead?
>>>
>>>In addition, would there be any interest in making a small donation to
> a
>>>community fund to purchase any components we're missing after we see what
>>>the donation call brings in? 27 MECs won't help us if we only have a
>>>single
>>>EDS card.
>>>
>>>I've got no promises to give in exchange at this moment, except my own,
>>that
>>>I'm working on things. But this is what's needed to get 'em done. Let me
>>>know what you think.
>>>
>>>- Kerry Galloway
>>>
>>
>Thanks Thad, that was pretty sweet!
Rod
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I pretty much gave up on George Benson when he started to sing, but how
about
>this in the funky dept.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBnQvd_xzs
>
>TCB
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>After watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little taste
>
>>of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause things is
>>'bout to get real funky:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
>>
>>And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ
>Even rootsier but at least as good. Al Jackson with Booker T., Duck Dunn,
Steve Cropper and some horns. There are a few shots if you look carefully
at Jackson and he's playing military grip with his left hand and moving that
hand about four inches off the drum and the snares are like gunfire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UlQVhMAbwg
I still wonder how the hell he did that. Maybe it's that elusive combination
of 'talent,' 'technique,' and 'practice' I keep hearing about.
The rest of the band is pretty good too. Oh, and the vox don't suck. Decent
song now that I think about it.
TCB
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks Thad, that was pretty sweet!
>Rod
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>I pretty much gave up on George Benson when he started to sing, but how
>about
>>this in the funky dept.
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FBnQvd_xzs
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wr
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Tue, 18 March 2008 17:12 |
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mer. :)
>
>Screw that Mike, we need more plugins . . .=20
>Ha!
>
>Tripple thanks,
>Tom
> "Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:483b2190$1@linux...
>
> Thanks, guys! I'm working on the gated verb right now.
>
> I can't wait to do some recording with this stuff this summer. :)
>
> All the best,
>
> Mike =20
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> >Agreed. I've been 'way' busy here, but I finally got to install/ =
>listen
> Sat=20
> >night, and I must say I'm quite impressed with the quality of them.
> >
> >AA
> >
> >
> >"John Macy" <nospanjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message=20
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> >>
> >> Wow, finally got around to getting these installed and I am very=20
> >> impressed--awesome
> >> work Mike! Highly recommended!=20
> >
> >
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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>I'm actually running a six card system right now (it will be eight when
i switch to the new magma). Have MECs on EDS cards one and two. One
has two ADAT'S and EDS 2 has three (mostly for a safe place to store
it). When I got a blue face involved, it wouldn't work but with all
black face, I've been able to get all up and recognized with no issues
so far. Still haven't figured out what to do with that much I/O though.
:-)
Seemed to stabilize things when I reinstalled the driver and effects
subsystem after any changes to hardware.
Jeff
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Hey Aaron,
>
> Ya, I wasn't lucky for the last three installs in two comps in getting
> two ADATs
> to show up with XP. Not sure what changed except:
>
> #1 No Default project in use.
>
> #2 No external WC.
>
> #3 Slot 9 holding ADAT card 1 for multiple boots before installing
> ADAT card 2 in slot 8.
>
> I've had my days of bad luck that's for sure. It's about time something
> worked easily. Now I'm waiting for a completely new box from Mr. Ludwig
> that will make this a non deal.
>
> We'll see,
> Tom
>
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude
> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude>> wrote in message
> news:483ded01@linux...
> I've heard that can play into it, and you'll want to put them in the
> last 2 slots because of how XP/Paris looks for the cards. But it's
> not a guarantee that it'll work, and hasn't in some cases I know of.
> Unfortunately, I'm one of the unlucky ones for that.
>
> Glad you got the luck on your side!
> AA
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
> wrote in message news:483daf7d$1@linux...
> Go figure. Didn't work before. It did today. It is a
> different ADAT card than I had been
> trying as a second card. One happens to be a blue one in slot 9
> and the new one is
> black in slot 8. 1x 8in in slot 1 and 1 x 8out in slot 2.
>
> Maybe it's the sequence of installing them? Use the last slot
> first so Paris looks down the whole
> line before moving on. Later install stuff before it to be
> recognized. Just a thought.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.htmlAaron Allen wrote:
> What will eventually kill Paris for every one of us though
> is going to be the death of a usable PCI slot.
Magma babee...!
> hopefully by then someone will have built a great DSP
> emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a native CPU.
How about an emulation of the ESP chip that runs on an FPGA?
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comMike Audet wrote:
> I suspect that the biggest thing about the PARIS sound is the quality of
> the D/A and A/D converters and the effects.
There has been a lot of talk over the years about where the PARIS sound
comes from. Let me point out that you can import wave files that
weren't created with the PARIS A/D and you can play them via S/PDIF to
an external D/A (Benchmark, Lynx, etc) and you'll still get the sound...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comDoug,
How's the fader project coming?
Jeff
Doug Wellington wrote:
> Mike Audet wrote:
>
>> I suspect that the biggest thing about the PARIS sound is the quality of
>> the D/A and A/D converters and the effects.
>
>
> There has been a lot of talk over the years about where the PARIS sound
> comes from. Let me point out that you can import wave files that
> weren't created with the PARIS A/D and you can play them via S/PDIF to
> an external D/A (Benchmark, Lynx, etc) and you'll still get the sound...
>
> Doug
>
> http://www.parisfaqs.comMagma babee...!
.... assuming that a usable PCIe is available and a Magma works with it. I
can see a day when that could end, though. Even Digi sees the light on that
with the whole mBox series. It's all gonna go virtual on us man.
> How about an emulation of the ESP chip that runs on an FPGA?
I would love to see it man. Absolutely love to see it. I was kinda thinking
at least for now that 'old' graphics cards (UAD, cough cough) could be just
what the doc ordered. Real time 4 band per channel EQ just shouldn't be that
big a deal now with the VST Paris EQ available, and with CPU's what they are
these days, neither are plugs. However, by keeping it in EDS land for the
code, Mike is all but assured some kind of friendly dongle to stop pirating
without infecting our boxes with PACEware or it's equivalent. I love that
idea, personally. If you can do that on FPGA, dude... perfect. If it could
run on firewire w/o bandwidth issues, I'd say it's pretty well forseeable
futureproof. What kind of socket/slot would you think best fits?
AA
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote in message
news:483f7b76@linux...
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> What will eventually kill Paris for every one of us though
> > is going to be the death of a usable PCI slot.
>
> Magma babee...!
>
>> hopefully by then someone will have built a great DSP
> > emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a native CPU.
>
> How about an emulation of the ESP chip that runs on an FPGA?
>
> Doug
>
> http://www.parisfaqs.comThanks, Tyrone!
I took a bit of a break from the marking and worked on creating a white noise
generator for PARIS. I think our old girl still has legs. :)
Cheers!
Mike
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Mike, I'd like to add my hearty thanks as well.
>
>Much appreciated!
>
>Tyrone
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I can't wait to do some recording with this stuff this summer. :)
>>
>>Screw that Mike, we need more plugins . . .=20
>>Ha!
>>
>>Tripple thanks,
>>Tom
>> "Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:483b2190$1@linux...
>>
>> Thanks, guys! I'm working on the gated verb right now.
>>
>> I can't wait to do some recording with this stuff this summer. :)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mike =20
>>
>>
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>I don't use it right now but when I used it don't remember any such behaviour...
Regarding midi why do you use midi ??
Have you made Cubase follow the ASIO 2.0 sync option ??
NOT the Midi timecode neither the MMC option.
When using the asio 2 sync option midi is not needed in any way for syncing.
The bars info comes from adat sync...
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Rob A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>Hi Di, i tried the ASIO2 dest64 module in scope and get the same results.
I
>included an mp3 of the click track. Man this is puzzling. I thought maybe
>this was normal coming from the old ADAT days where it took a few seconds
to
>get everything locked-up properly but you guys running adat sync aren't
>experiencing this at all rite?
>
>Regards,
>Rob
>
>"Dimitrios" <musxxx@otexxx.gr> wrote in message news:483e9094$1@linux...
>>
>> Dear Rob,
>> Have you loaded inside scope sfp environement Syncplate source ?
>> I assume you have a syncplate addon card and thats why you have connected
>> Paris adat sync to syncplate's adat sync in, right ?
>> Now by openeing the Syncpale source under tools you have to select the
>> same
>> MTC settings i.e 25 frames etc...
>> Then you have to use the ASIO2 dest64 module and there connect the Clk1
>> with
>> syncplate's clk out.
>> Have you done all these ?
>> Midi is NOT needed.
>> Regards,
>> Dimitrios
>>
>> "Rob A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>>Hi everyone, I have a Q regarding sync. The weird part is that this may
>> be
>>>normal, I'm not sure. When I press play in Paris, Cubase starts rolling
>> but
>>>always slows down, then speeds up and then after about 15 seconds, seems
>> to
>>>stabilise. Is this normal using ADAT sync?
>>>Here is the setup:
>>>(Computer 1)Paris Adat sync out via 9pin serial cable into
>>>(Computer2 )Scope
>>
>>>syncplate 9pin Serial running Cubase SX3. In Cubase, I am using the ASIO
>>
>>>Audio device set
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ead and then slow down. When I
try
>>
>>>midioverLan to sync, it works perfect but is not sample accurate over
time
>>
>>>as is ADAT sync, correct? Is this normal? Does the DAKOTA, have this issue
>>
>>>syncing Cubase to Paris via ADAT?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>Regards
>>>Robert
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>Ok,
There are some dither plugins (VST) like the MDA dither which are free but
if you want agreat sounding dither option everytime you might use the adat
20bit digital in and out (as I do) for external processing during a mix (
as I do) and you wanna make sure that dither is applied you can either use
y\the waves IDR (at 20bit if you are using the adat ports) OR if you wanna
use UV22hr and you come to own Wavelab you can just record an empty 24bit
paris file and the apply a UV22 20bit LOW dithering on it and save it as
a UV22_dither_20bit.paf
The file is still 24bit but you have actually a dithered 20bit file to use
with adat processing.
You have to use the LOW choice because you are gonna dither again your laste
mixed wavefile.
Same way you can make a 16bit NORMAL UV22 file (mono) and use it on a Paris
audio track (one only) on any submix if you wanna make your final stereo
mixfile.
Regards,
DimitriosI mentioned mono file.
OK when using wavelab to make a proper use of UV22 use an empty (record nothing)
STEREO file of say 7 minutes apply UV22 LOW 20 bit dither and then save only
the Left channel as Paris paf 24bit mono file.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"DIMITRIOS" <musurgio@xxx.gr> wrote:
>
>Ok,
>There are some dither plugins (VST) like the MDA dither which are free but
>if you want agreat sounding dither option everytime you might use the adat
>20bit digital in and out (as I do) for external processing during a mix
(
>as I do) and you wanna make sure that dither is applied you can either use
>y\the waves IDR (at 20bit if you are using the adat ports) OR if you wanna
>use UV22hr and you come to own Wavelab you can just record an empty 24bit
>paris file and the apply a UV22 20bit LOW dithering on it and save it as
>a UV22_dither_20bit.paf
>The file is still 24bit but you have actually a dithered 20bit file to use
>with adat processing.
>You have to use the LOW choice because you are gonna dither again your laste
>mixed wavefile.
>Same way you can make a 16bit NORMAL UV22 file (mono) and use it on a Paris
>audio track (one only) on any submix if you wanna make your final stereo
>mixfile.
>Regards,
>DimitriosDi, I don't use midi to sync, only midi within Cubase for a click.
Basically; Paris tells Cubase to start rolling via adat sync (scope), then
Cubase sends a click signal via midi (scope midi out) to and external tone
generator (D4) and I monitor the D4 audio output back into a Paris channel,
that is the mp3 you heard. But I have tried using midi to sync via
"midioverlan" in Paris and Cubas
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e and it starts rite up and is stable (no
strange wobble @ first). Yes I have the ASIO 2.0 sync option enabled. I'm
gonna check my 9pin D-sub connector tonight, maybe its bad or the wrong one.
It is a regular straight-thru 9 pin, not a null correct?
Thanks Dimitrios
Regards,
Robert
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@xxx.gr> wrote in message news:483fe6a6$1@linux...
>
> I don't use it right now but when I used it don't remember any such
> behaviour...
> Regarding midi why do you use midi ??
> Have you made Cubase follow the ASIO 2.0 sync option ??
> NOT the Midi timecode neither the MMC option.
> When using the asio 2 sync option midi is not needed in any way for
> syncing.
> The bars info comes from adat sync...
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Rob A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>Hi Di, i tried the ASIO2 dest64 module in scope and get the same results.
> I
>>included an mp3 of the click track. Man this is puzzling. I thought maybe
>
>>this was normal coming from the old ADAT days where it took a few seconds
> to
>>get everything locked-up properly but you guys running adat sync aren't
>
>>experiencing this at all rite?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Rob
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musxxx@otexxx.gr> wrote in message news:483e9094$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Dear Rob,
>>> Have you loaded inside scope sfp environement Syncplate source ?
>>> I assume you have a syncplate addon card and thats why you have
>>> connected
>>> Paris adat sync to syncplate's adat sync in, right ?
>>> Now by openeing the Syncpale source under tools you have to select the
>
>>> same
>>> MTC settings i.e 25 frames etc...
>>> Then you have to use the ASIO2 dest64 module and there connect the Clk1
>
>>> with
>>> syncplate's clk out.
>>> Have you done all these ?
>>> Midi is NOT needed.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "Rob A" <mani1147athotmaildotcom> wrote:
>>>>Hi everyone, I have a Q regarding sync. The weird part is that this may
>>> be
>>>>normal, I'm not sure. When I press play in Paris, Cubase starts rolling
>>> but
>>>>always slows down, then speeds up and then after about 15 seconds, seems
>>> to
>>>>stabilise. Is this normal using ADAT sync?
>>>>Here is the setup:
>>>>(Computer 1)Paris Adat sync out via 9pin serial cable into
>>>>(Computer2 )Scope
>>>
>>>>syncplate 9pin Serial running Cubase SX3. In Cubase, I am using the ASIO
>>>
>>>>Audio device setting, sample rate is set the same in Paris and Scope.
> I
>>>
>>>>setup a midi click in Cubase via my old D4 and its very un-stable at
>>>>first
>>>
>>>>as mentioned above. When I try the audio click in cubase, it sounds
>>>>solid
>>>
>>>>but I can still see the timeline jump ahead and then slow down. When I
> try
>>>
>>>>midioverLan to sync, it works perfect but is not sample accurate over
> time
>>>
>>>>as is ADAT sync, correct? Is this normal? Does the DAKOTA, have this
>>>>issue
>>>
>>>>syncing Cubase to Paris via ADAT?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>Regards
>>>>Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>Jeff Hoover wrote:
> How's the fader project coming?
Good. I received both the "N" type and the "K" type Alps faders. The K
types are especially nice - I have a hard time imagining how the Penny &
Giles faders can be worth 4x the price of the Alps...
My fader control circuit works well with the N type (which is what I
think the Euphonix control surface uses), but the K type motor is too
fast for me, so I keep overshooting! I need to modify my circuit to
react more quickly for the K series.
I decided to associate one rotary encoder with each of the motor faders.
The function of that enc
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>>>>
>>>> pab
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Magma babee...!
>
>... assuming that a usable PCIe is available and a Magma works with it.
I am currently running 2 x 13 slot 32 bit Magma chassis, one of them with
the new Magma PCIe host card that interfaces via the round SCSI type cable
to a PCI host card in the Magma.
slots 1, 5, 7 and 11 in the 13 slot Magma will host PCI cards that share
a common driver so they can all live on a single IRQ if the host card is
interfaced with the proper MOBO slot.
in one magma I'm running 4 x UAD-1's (slots 1, 5, 7 & 11) and 2 x Powercore
cards (slots 2 & 4) on IRQ 19 aand 20 of the new DAW and in the other Magma
hat is interfacing via PCIe, I'm running an RME HDSP 9652, a MADI and an
AES32 in slots 1, 5 and 11 of the Magma and these cards are populating IRQ
18 of the new DAW.
It runs like a bat outta' hell with 1.5ms latency so this would indicate
to me that the new PCIe Host card for the recent generation of Magmas that
use the round cable (can be had for around $500.00 on EBay) will definitely
carry the EDS card (at least 6 x of them)into the future with PCIe based
mobos.
Worry about other things.....not this.
;o)at my age i more roll than rock...
On Sat, 31 May 2008 11:01:16 -0700, Kerry Galloway
<kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>You guys totally rock.
>
>I'm just waiting to hear back from several parties right now; when I have
>all my ducks in a row I'll start a new thread with more info and some action
>items.
>
>- Kerry
>
>On 5/31/08 2:43 AM, in article fd7244p1dvsb6qaq1cmdteio95gomogcjk@4ax.com,
>"rick" <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> it's okay, ship away.
>>
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 18:37:50 -0500, Paul Braun
>> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Good point.
>>>
>>> I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>>> to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>>> with Rick to send it to you instead.
>>>
>>> You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>>>
>>> pab
>>>
>>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>>>> <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>>>> <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now - on the other hand...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>>> recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>>> the available gooderness.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>>> make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>>> the family.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>>> but that's life.
>>>>>
>>>>> pab
>>A few users here in Australia would jump at an OS X version.
Hank
>>I have one of Rick's EDS cards here that is not in use. I was going
>>to ship it back to him, but if you can use it, it would seem to be OK
>>with Rick to send it to you instead.
>>
>>You can email me offlist if you'd like.
>>
>>pab
>>
>>On Wed, 28 May 2008 04:55:30 -0400, rick <parnell68athotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>if you're not using the card and he can use it...
>>>
>>>On Tue, 27 May 2008 23:06:30 -0500, Paul Braun
>>><cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 26 May 2008 21:39:19 -0700, Kerry Galloway
>>>><kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now - on the other hand...
>>>>>
>>>>>... Would developments that involved OSX interest you? :)
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>Effin' A skippy it would.... I've been an OS9 guy since I started, and
>>>>recently, begrudgingly, decided to start building an XP box because of
>>>>the available gooderness.
>>>>
>>>>However, if Mike can make OSX - flavored versions, and your dudes can
>>>>make Paris work under OSX, then I'm ready to score a G4 and stay in
>>>>the family.
>>>>
>>>>I'd be pissed that I sold my dual-1GHz Quicksilver after I got my G5,
>>>>but that's life.
>>>>
>>>>pab
>This is a cool idea, Dimitrios. Have you compared mixes with and without
the dither? The reason that I ask is that I've always wondered if the mic
noise isn't above -96 db anyway, causing the recording to be "self dithering."
But, it may not work that way. The dither may make a big difference.
All the best,
Mike
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@xxx.gr> wrote:
>
>I mentioned mono file.
>OK when using wavelab to make a proper use of UV22 use an empty (record
nothing)
>STEREO file of say 7 minutes apply UV22 LOW 20 bit dither and then save
only
>the Left channel as Paris paf 24bit mono file.
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"DIMITRIOS" <musurgio@xxx.gr> wrote:
>>
>>Ok,
>>There are some dither plugins (VST) like the MDA dither which are free
but
>>if you want agreat sounding dither option everytime you might use the adat
>>20bit digital in and out (as I do) for external processing during a mix
>(
>>as I do) and you wanna make sure that dither is applied you can either
use
>>y\the waves IDR (at 20bit if you are using the adat ports) OR if you wanna
>>use UV22hr and you come to own Wavelab you can just record an empty 24bit
>>paris file and the apply a UV22 20bit LOW dithering on it and save it as
>>a UV22_dither_20bit.paf
>>The file is still 24bit but you have actually a dithered 20bit file to
use
>>with adat processing.
>>You have to use the LOW choice because you are gonna dither again your
laste
>>mixed wavefile.
>>Same way you can make a 16bit NORMAL UV22 file (mon
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to
>> run on another cpu, and would that work? In other words have Paris open
with
>> UAD plugs on inserts, with Paris running off one CPU and UAD running off
>> another? Anyone know?
>> Rod
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comHi Rod,
Unless Mike Audet ge5ts chance before me I'll probably be able to test it end of this week or beginning of next week.
I'm currently testing a 2 EDS card setup with a 442 and a c16. I will be adding a RME Digiface/pCI-e combo to the setup too.
Probably gonna test it running Cubase and Paris at once.
Won't be able to do the time code sync part because of not having a MEC and ADAT card.
But should be able to test running Paris thru Cubase as hardware effects inserts and using Cubase as a external effect processor for Paris.
Throwing in a UAD or 2 will certainly push the system. :)
Chris
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> I was thinking that would be a great thing if it worked. Any way to try it
> again?
> Rod
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> HI Rod,
>>
>> The EDS cards seem to behave fine with limiting both the EDS card and PARIS
> to using
>> the 1 (same) CPU.
>> The UAD cards have never behaved nice for me when I've tried limiting their
> hardware
>> to on CPU.
>> But haven't tested it in a while.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Rod Lincoln wrote:
>>> I was thinking about the Dual core and quad core systems availvable, and
> the
>>> MSFT link Mike A. posted that would allow you to instruct Paris which
> CPU
>>> to run on. Does anyone know if you could instruct, say, the UAD cards
> to
>>> run on another cpu, and would that work? In other words have Paris open
> with
>>> UAD plugs on inserts, with Paris running off one CPU and UAD running off
>>> another? Anyone know?
>>> Rod
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comIt's been a while since I checked, but doesn't the Paris MIDI driver
show up in Cubase as an available MIDI input? I seem to remember it
doing that at one point.
Could this be used for MTC sync running both on the same computer?
David.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Rod,
> Unless Mike Audet ge5ts chance before me
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of news group.
>>>>
>>>> HI James,
>>>> We tried it here and it didn't seem to on anything.
>>>> Also the power supply will be way under powered for anything like a
>>>> UAD.
>>>> Too short for a Paris card.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if these would work for Paris or UAD-1 cards? I think Deej
>>>>> spotted
>>>>> these first.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-expansion-box-p2 9809.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion -box-p29858.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>IIRC, it was a voltage issue. The 'key' in the PCI slot will be on the wrong
>side (front/back relevant) if it does not work, I believe. EDS needs 5v,
I
>think the spec for 2.3 might be 3.3vdc... working off memory here, but if
>somebody wants to google it that might get them started.
>
>AA
>
This will also run at 3.3v or 5v.
>
>"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
>news:C46B1ADF.B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>> Hmm, good questions; never occurred to me to mod the case. Thinking about
>> giving it a try? If you did it carefully, you could probably reassemble
it
>> fairly easily.
>>
>> Here's something that would give me pause, though - "PCI Slots are fully
>> Compliant PCI Bus Rev. 2.3". I wish I knew more about this, but isn't
it
>> 2.3
>> and forward that PARIS cards don't work with any more?
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>> On 6/3/08 1:58 PM, in article 4845b075$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Chris did You test this out personally? Which one did you test out,
the
>>> PCIe
>>> or Card Bus? I'm wondering how hard it would be to add a bigger power
>>> supply,
>>> what do you think? It's a lot less money than the Magma, about half
the
>>> price.
>>>
>>> It would be no big deal to modify the case or drop it in to a larger
case
>>> so you could use full size Paris cards.
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.
>>>>
>>>> HI James,
>>>> We tried it here and it didn'
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t seem to on anything.
>>>> Also the power supply will be way under powered for anything like a
UAD.
>>>> Too short for a Paris card.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if these would work for Paris or UAD-1 cards? I think Deej
>>>>> spotted
>>>>> these first.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-expansion-box-p2 9809.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion -box-p29858.html
>>>>>
>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>
>
>Probably not, actually. The EDS physically will not fit in a 3.3v slot (due
to the aforementioned key) on top of not getting the 5 vdc it needs to run,
IIRC. I really need to find my notes on that to be sure, but that's how I
remember it according to spec... which was somewhat vague in areas, also
IIRC. I want to say I sent a PCI spec brochure of sorts to Kerry for the
paris web blog/page he's got going... Kerry, could you dig that up?
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48464dc5$1@linux...
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>IIRC, it was a voltage issue. The 'key' in the PCI slot will be on the
>>wrong
>
>>side (front/back relevant) if it does not work, I believe. EDS needs 5v,
> I
>>think the spec for 2.3 might be 3.3vdc... working off memory here, but if
>
>>somebody wants to google it that might get them started.
>>
>>AA
>>
>
> This will also run at 3.3v or 5v.
>>
>>"Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
>>news:C46B1ADF.B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>>> Hmm, good questions; never occurred to me to mod the case. Thinking
>>> about
>>> giving it a try? If you did it carefully, you could probably reassemble
> it
>>> fairly easily.
>>>
>>> Here's something that would give me pause, though - "PCI Slots are fully
>>> Compliant PCI Bus Rev. 2.3". I wish I knew more about this, but isn't
> it
>>> 2.3
>>> and forward that PARIS cards don't work with any more?
>>>
>>> - Kerry
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 1:58 PM, in article 4845b075$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris did You test this out personally? Which one did you test out,
> the
>>>> PCIe
>>>> or Card Bus? I'm wondering how hard it would be to add a bigger power
>
>>>> supply,
>>>> what do you think? It's a lot less money than the Magma, about half
> the
>>>> price.
>>>>
>>>> It would be no big deal to modify the case or drop it in to a larger
> case
>>>> so you could use full size Paris cards.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.
>>>>>
>>>>> HI James,
>>>>> We tried it here and it didn't seem to on anything
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is cards.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.
>>>>>
>>>>> HI James,
>>>>> We tried it here and it didn't seem to on anything.
>>>>> Also the power supply will be way under powered for anything like a
>>>>> UAD.
>>>>> Too short for a Paris card.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if these would work for Paris or UAD-1 cards? I think Deej
>>>>>> spotted
>>>>>> these first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-expansion-box-p2 9809.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion -box-p29858.ht
>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>I know you sent it (because I know I read it) but I can't find it as an
attachment either in my email or here on the NG - so you might have linked
it instead. I'm hunting for it now.
- K
On 6/4/08 1:29 AM, in article 484654c9@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> IIRC. I want to say I sent a PCI spec brochure of sorts to Kerry for the
> paris web blog/page he's got going... Kerry, could you dig that up?
>
> AAAs far as keying, they could get around this physically by simply *omitting
the key* from inside the slot, which would make it *physically* universal.
But whether or not they did, the PCI 2.3 statement gives me pause - that
definitely seems to be the one where the PCI spec discontinued its support
for cards like the EDS.
- K
On 6/4/08 1:29 AM, in article 484654c9@linux, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
> Probably not, actually. The EDS physically will not fit in a 3.3v slot (due
> to the aforementioned key) on top of not getting the 5 vdc it needs to run,
> IIRC. I really need to find my notes on that to be sure, but that's how I
> remember it according to spec... which was somewhat vague in areas, also
> IIRC. I want to say I sent a PCI spec brochure of sorts to Kerry for the
> paris web blog/page he's got going... Kerry, could you dig that up?
>
> AA
>
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48464dc5$1@linux...
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> IIRC, it was a voltage issue. The 'key' in the PCI slot will be on the
>>> wrong
>>
>>> side (front/back relevant) if it does not work, I believe. EDS needs 5v,
>> I
>>> think the spec for 2.3 might be 3.3vdc... working off memory here, but if
>>
>>> somebody wants to google it that might get them started.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>
>> This will also run at 3.3v or 5v.
>>>
>>> "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
>>> news:C46B1ADF.B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>>>> Hmm, good questions; never occurred to me to mod the case. Thinking
>>>> about
>>>> giving it a try? If you did it carefully, you could probably reassemble
>> it
>>>> fairly easily.
>>>>
>>>> Here's something that would give me pause, though - "PCI Slots are fully
>>>> Compliant PCI Bus Rev. 2.3". I wish I knew more about this, but isn't
>> it
>>>> 2.3
>>>> and forward that PARIS cards don't work with any more?
>>>>
>>>> - Kerry
>>>>
>>>> On 6/3/08 1:58 PM, in article 4845b075$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris did You test this out personally? Which one did you test out,
>> the
>>>>> PCIe
>>>>> or Card Bus? I'm wondering how hard it would be to add a bigger power
>>
>>>>> supply,
>>>>> what do you think? It's a lot less money than the Magma, about half
>> the
>>>>> price.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be no big deal to modify the case or drop it in to a larger
>> case
>>>>> so you could use full size Paris cards.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI James,
>>>>>> We tried it here and it didn't
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| Re: China [message #97123 is a reply to message #97120] |
Thu, 20 March 2008 03:26 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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;>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-expansion-box-p2 9809.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion -box-p29858.
>>>>>>> html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
it might stop the draw.The guitar makes use of the "ring" terminal shorting to the sleeve of
the 1/4" jack to connect the "-" side of the battery when you put a TS
plug in. If you use a TRS (balanced) 1/4" plug in the guitar you could,
in theory, connect the ring and sleeve at some point farther down the
cable to energize the circuit in the guitar.
David.
Bill L wrote:
> I have a couple guitars with active electronics (a strat w/ EMGs and a
> Buscarino Starlight nylon electric). I hate having to unplug them every
> time I put them down, especially the Buscarino because I don't usually
> use a vol pedal with it. Are there any tricks to cut the battery draw
> while leaving the plug in? I would think that if no circuit is completed
> it might stop the draw.> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
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Here¹s a long version, and it definitely say¹s both voltages
MartinH
On 4/06/08 9:32 PM, in article C46CBA89.4C4C%lendan@bigpond.net.au, "Martin
Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> But the specs said 3.3 and 5v
>
> Martin H
>
>
> On 4/06/08 3:59 PM, in article 484631a3$1@linux, "Aaron Allen"
> <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>> IIRC, it was a voltage issue. The 'key' in the PCI slot will be on the wrong
>> side (front/back relevant) if it does not work, I believe. EDS needs 5v, I
>> think the spec for 2.3 might be 3.3vdc... working off memory here, but if
>> somebody wants to google it that might get them started.
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "Kerry Galloway" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message
>> news:C46B1ADF.B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com...
>>> Hmm, good questions; never occurred to me to mod the case. Thinking about
>>> giving it a try? If you did it carefully, you could probably reassemble it
>>> fairly easily.
>>>
>>> Here's something that would give me pause, though - "PCI Slots are fully
>>> Compliant PCI Bus Rev. 2.3". I wish I knew more about this, but isn't it
>>> 2.3
>>> and forward that PARIS cards don't work with any more?
>>>
>>> - Kerry
>>>
>>> On 6/3/08 1:58 PM, in article 4845b075$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris did You test this out personally? Which one did you test out, the
>>>> PCIe
>>>> or Card Bus? I'm wondering how hard it would be to add a bigger power
>>>> supply,
>>>> what do you think? It's a lot less money than the Magma, about half the
>>>> price.
>>>>
>>>> It would be no big deal to modify the case or drop it in to a larger case
>>>> so you could use full size Paris cards.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.
>>>>>
>>>>> HI James,
>>>>> We tried it here and it didn't seem to on anything.
>>>>> Also the power supply will be way under powered for anything like a UAD.
>>>>> Too short for a Paris card.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if these would work for Paris or UAD-1 cards? I think Deej
>>>>>> spotted
>>>>>> these first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-expansion-box-p2 9809.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion -box-p29858.h>>>>>>
t
>>>>>> ml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: China [message #97125 is a reply to message #97123] |
Thu, 20 March 2008 04:39 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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<BR>
Here’s a long version, and it definitely say’s both voltages<BR=
>
<BR>
MartinH<BR>
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<BR>
On 4/06/08 9:32 PM, in article <a href=3D"C46CBA89.4C4C%lendan@bigpond.net.au=
">C46CBA89.4C4C%lendan@bigpond.net.au</a>, "Martin Harrington&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"lendan@bigpond.net.au">lendan@bigpond.net.au</a>> wrote:<=
BR>
<BR>
<FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">> But the specs said 3.3 and 5v<BR>
> <BR>
> Martin H<BR>
> <BR>
> <BR>
> On 4/06/08 3:59 PM, in article 484631a3$1@linux, "Aaron Allen&quo=
t;<BR>
> <<a href=3D"know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</a>> =
wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000">>> IIRC, it was a voltage issue. The 'ke=
y' in the PCI slot will be on the wrong<BR>
>> side (front/back relevant) if it does not work, I believe. EDS nee=
ds 5v, I<BR>
>> think the spec for 2.3 might be 3.3vdc... working off memory here,=
but if<BR>
>> somebody wants to google it that might get them started.<BR>
>> <BR>
>> AA<BR>
>> <BR>
>> <BR>
>> "Kerry Galloway" <<a href=3D"kg@kerrygalloway.com">kg@k=
errygalloway.com</a>> wrote in message<BR>
>> <a href=3D"news:C46B1ADF.B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com..">news:C46B1ADF.=
B0D5%kg@kerrygalloway.com..</a>.<BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000">>>> Hmm, good questions; never occurr=
ed to me to mod the case. Thinking about<BR>
>>> giving it a try? If you did it carefully, you could probably r=
eassemble it<BR>
>>> fairly easily.<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> Here's something that would give me pause, though - "PCI =
Slots are fully<BR>
>>> Compliant PCI Bus Rev. 2.3". I wish I knew more about thi=
s, but isn't it<BR>
>>> 2.3<BR>
>>> and forward that PARIS cards don't work with any more?<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> - Kerry<BR>
>>> <BR>
>>> On 6/3/08 1:58 PM, in article 4845b075$1@linux, "James &n=
bsp;McCloskey"<BR>
>>> <<a href=3D"excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</a>> =
wrote:<BR>
>>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#800080">>>>> <BR>
>>>> Chris did You test this out personally? Which one di=
d you test out, the<BR>
>>>> PCIe<BR>
>>>> or Card Bus? I'm wondering how hard it would be to a=
dd a bigger power<BR>
>>>> supply,<BR>
>>>> what do you think? It's a lot less money than the Ma=
gma, about half the<BR>
>>>> price.<BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> It would be no big deal to modify the case or drop it in t=
o a larger case<BR>
>>>> so you could use full size Paris cards.<BR>
>>>> <BR>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <<a href=3D"chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@a=
dkproaudio.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
>>>>> opps sent this via email instead of news group.<BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> HI James,<BR>
>>>>> We tried it here and it didn't seem to on anything.<BR=
>
>>>>> Also the power supply will be way under powered for an=
ything like a UAD.<BR>
>>>>> Too short for a Paris card.<BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> Chris<BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:<BR>
>>>>>> I wonder if these would work for Paris or UAD-1 ca=
rds? I think Deej<BR>
>>>>>> spotted<BR>
>>>>>> these first.<BR>
>>>>>> <BR>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-p=
ci-expansion-box-p29809.html">http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pci-express-to-pci-ex=
pansion-box-p29809.html</a><BR>
>>>>>> <BR>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf=
">http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/pcie2pci.pdf</a><BR>
>>>>>> <BR>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://www.virtuavia.eu/shop/expresscard-=
34-to-pci-expansion-box-p29858.h>>>& ;gt;> ">http://www.virtuavia.e=
u/shop/expresscard-34-to-pci-expansion-box-p29858.h>& amp;gt;>>> </a>&=
gt; t<BR>
>>>>>> ml<BR>
>>>>>> <BR>
>>>>>> <a href=3D"http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf"=
>http://virtuavia.eu/shop/pdf/exp2pci.pdf</a><BR>
>>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> -- <BR>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig<BR>
>>>>> <BR>
>>>>> ADK Pro Audio<BR>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762<BR>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com<BR>
>>>>> <a href=3D"chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.co=
m</a><BR>
>>>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#FF0000">>>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#008000">>> <BR>
>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF">> <BR>
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