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Fri, 21 December 2007 13:25  |
TCB
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Best Buy told her that Vista was the best of Mac and Windows, I almost
>>>bit my tong off! I'm sure that's another MS perpetuated lie, and if it's
>>>anything like the past, I'm sure this pile will get repeated.
>>>
>>>Speaking of MS tricks and tactics, MS is back to business of giving away
>>>free software in order to crush the competition, anybody ever hear of
Netscape?
>>> The article is pointed at Adobe, funny they don't mention Sun and their
>>>recent acquisitions such as MySQL. MS has been giving away free computers
>>>and software to schools for years so they can dominate the market. They're
>>>always trying to control the market, we sure don't need anymore MS domination,
>>>and I'm glad Yahoo is rejecting MS's offer.
>>>
>>>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080219/D8UT829O0.html
>>>
>>>Wow!
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enRQzjkLAQs&feature=relat ed
>>>
>>>One of my favorites: Back to the future, or as I say, Back to the past.
>>>http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/
>>>
>>>Vista copies Mac OSX
>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2C2gb6ws8
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>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9Tu5CPVoP8
>>>>
>>>>hehe
>>>>
>>>>I just started running vista and I gotta say, yeah baby , it sucks
>>>
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Apple used to give close to 50% discounts to educational buyers, and would
>give CS students every devel tool they had for free. It's fact James, and
>they were doing it for the same reason, market share, not charity.
That's Bullshit, as a former educational dealer and being personal friends
with Apple educational sales reps I know their discount structures. There
were no such discounts or student freebees like that. I'd like you to show
me the free Apple software for students, this is another one I like to take
advantage of personally.
>
>In addition I am most emphatically _not_ MS certified, so piss off. Nor
am
>I an apologist for MSFT. I have been a consistent and relentless critic
of
>the way they do business, on this forum and many others. However, in your
>world full of tinfoil hat wearing con
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| Re: the only 'vintage' thing in my studio other than me [message #93841 is a reply to message #93815] |
Fri, 21 December 2007 22:39  |
Deej
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>I think there are a few million AAPL shareholders who would be moderately
surprised to find out that the company belongs to Steve Jobs.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Aaron I'd love to here your version of the two events. It's obvious that
>Jobs was a driven men with a vision of where he wanted his company to go,
>and it's obvious that John Sculley didn't agree with him. Jobs was anal
>and autocratic back in the early 80s, that actually was a management style
>back in those days, and obviously not a vary good one. I'm sure some people
>back in those days would say he was driven to insanity, I'm sure he would
>say his ideas were Insanely Great.
>
>Jobs and Sculley had to different visions of Apple. Jobs try to regain
control
>of his company Apple in a board room take over, Jobs got the short end of
>the stick and quit Apple.
>
>Who had better vision and was a better CEO for Apple, Jobs or Sculley?
You
>can't argue with success.
>
>So how is Apple as a company unethical?
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>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Come now ... if we're talking ethical standards riddle me 2 things, early
>
>>history:
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>>How did the Apple Lisa get it's name?
>>Who fired Steve Jobs, and why was he pushed out of the Apple Lisa project?
>>
>>The funny thing about humanity and ethics is they usually leave the room
>to
>>make more space for money and greed when the word 'corporate' gets involved.
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>>Now, I'm not sayin Gates is a saint (or Ballmer), hardly that, but it's
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>>rather obvious that Apple doesn't mind strong arming folks either. Let's
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>>take iTunes. Apple and Apple Records had an agreement. One conveniently
>
>>forgotten by Jobs that he later got to pay for. Jobs will tell you he saved
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>>the record business. I bet the fat cats on boards at labels have a different
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>>song. (On the other end, the Zune is a failure IMO) My perspective is
>>different than both those parties. Everybody has their truth.
>>But to say Apple or MS either one are ethical is a tall order, and it's
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>>strictly a matter of power to push the smaller ones around. MS just has
>more
>>power.
>>
>>Just a little levity.
>>
>>
>Yes Rick or IBM? PARC anyone?
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1ttnr3lrlrb1ess4jdek459qu724gpa07b@4ax.com...
> ask atari about the ethics of some employees they once had.Well to be honest, I don't care a lot to rehash history to clear revisionist
views... and as Kim said it probably oughta be in general because the whole
era is fairly well documented anyway and it's old news.
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// JI just run in the middle stir it up and haul butthttp://www.mackido.com/Interface/ui_history.html
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Yes Rick or IBM? PARC anyone?
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>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Re: the only 'vintage' thing in my studio other than me [message #93863 is a reply to message #93841] |
Sat, 22 December 2007 08:35 |
TCB
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gt;
>> The other program I'm starting to respect more is Soundtrack Pro, Dinky
>> graphics but well appointed especially for the Post work that I do.
>>
>> Again, sorry for getting personal, but maybe it's time to give it a rest....
>>
>>
>> Martin Harrington
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>
> Martin, apology accepted, and I want to thank you for your honesty about
> what you use and your preferences. I find it vary interesting that you are
> able to run Mac OSX on PC hardware. I don't know who else would be
> interested,
> but it would be great if you would post your setup again and what you had
> to do to get it running.
>
> Some times the old NG gets a little boring, a little heated debate isn't
> all bad. I'm with Kim, this dead horse belongs on the general NG. And yes,
> I'm ready to give it a rest, if everybody else is. ?
>
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>> On 21/02/08 10:56 AM, in article 47bcb00c$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Hey I'm not riled up, I'm just setting things strait. When I see or hear
>>> the same old lies like Apple stole the GUI from Xerox PARC I'll set you
> strait
>>> because it's not true. When People say Apple is just as bad as Microsoft
>>> when it comes to ethical business practices, I'll speak up because it's
> not
>>> true also. I've ask for examples of Apple doing the same kind of stuff.
>>> I know Apple has done somethings that I don't care for myself, but you
> can't
>>> say Apple is just as bad as Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I always hear something stupid like, somebody wanting to buy movies from
>>> the iTunes store to play on their MS Zune ( an MS rip off of the iPod).
>>> You can't put a Chevy tailgate on your Ford truck either, so what.
>>>
>>> Martin, aren't you the guy that runs Mac OSX on PC hardware? What's wrong
>>> with Vista?
>>>
>>> By the way you starting to get personal, Martin.
>>>
>>> Martin Harrington <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>> James, you really are a sad little man.
>>>>
>>>> How anything, let alone a couple of monopolistic computer companies,
> can
>>> get
>>>> someone riled up as much as you get, is beyond belief.
>>>>
>>>> You act like Apple is your baby, and you'll fiercely defend it to the
> death
>>>>
>>>> BTW, regarding apple being sued by Apple Records, (and quite rightly
> so,
>>>> )....
>>>> You just watch apple pounce on anyone that dares copy their hardware
> or
>>> use
>>>> any resemblance to their name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/02/08 8:32 PM, in article 47bbe589$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple Computer was sued by Apple Records in what I would call a greedy
>>> and
>>>>> frivolous law suit. It's a big stretch to say that people got the two
>>>>> companies
>>>>> confused leading to a loss in sales. It's ridiculous to say that Apple
>>>>> records
>>>>> has an exclusive right to the common name Apple. That would be like
> a
>>> zoo
>>>>> saying they have an exclusive right to the name impala.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple Paid Apple records 20 million to settle out. Apple did agree
> not
>>> to
>>>>> enter the record company business, so Apple records sued Apple computer
>>> again
>>>>> when Apple started iTunes. Is Best Buy or Circuit City in the the record
>>>>> company business? Well neither was Apple Computer. Apple had a right
>>> to
>>>>> resell music or recordings just like best buy or mp3.com, there was
> nothing
>>>>> unethical about it. Apple records filed another frivolous law suit
> against
>>>>> Apple computer. I do not believe the results of that suit were disclosed,
>>>>> however it sounds like Apple Computer did Ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, wasn't this about Vista? Vista still sucks; )
>>>>>
>>>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>>
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| Re: OT: the only 'vintage' thing in my studio other than me [message #93931 is a reply to message #93815] |
Sun, 23 December 2007 20:27 |
Bill L
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> just fine... but I have dual monitors at my day gig and having a 3rd in my
> limited desk space just ain't in the plan. So I bought a decent KVM that
> every PC, even 5 year old ones, seem to like just fine. Not the Mac, it goes
> into some corrupted
> we're-shutting-down-don't-care-if-you-have-saved-your-work mode within 5
> minutes or less. Total drag. I even had that machine playing somewhat nice
> with my MS server 2k3. Oh well, foot prop now.
Again, bummer, in that specific situation. Waste of that poor
unappreciated Mac though. Send me the Mac. :^)
>>> I had been considering a Mini for personal use (with boot camp of
>>> course), but that kinda gotcha rather cinched the "think I'll pass for
>>> now" for me. MacOS-x 10.29 on dual procs, and it's a foot prop under my
>>> desk now. At least it doesn't crash that way and it's more ergonomic for
>>> my peds, heh... I get a warm fuzzy and smirk when my feet hit it :>
>> I'll be happy to store it for you. Could probably put it to good use. The
>> quicksilvers were pretty loud, though. The G5 is much, much quieter, and
>> the current Intel boxes are also pretty quiet.
>
> Yeah, Hoover's got nothing on this box (dam or vacuum cleaner, LOL)
I put my dual G4 in a closet and closed the door and could still hear
it. For the G5 I don't bother to close the door.
>>> *(*)* Apple is so much faster, Apple is so much more interesting, Apple
>>> is so much better at.... er, ....
>> Those whacky marketing types...
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> ....are lying. On Apple's behalf, and on Apple's dime. Funny yes, honest no.
> Not Ethical.
If you're going to hold that standard for advertising, and I could
support that, then you're going to have to take on almost all
advertising, including Microsoft's. But especially drugs, cars, oil
companies and political ads.
>>> hey, it's the new and improved Apple now with INTEL hardware (IE, that's
>>> called a PC Steve-O, and no amount of backpeddling will cover the fact
>>> that you were lying through your teeth about how much faster Motorola's
>>> I'd-rather-be-in-a-cell-phone chips were over INTEL)
>> For its time the G4 didn't suck. The G5 is still a mighty chip around
>> here. Keep in mind that the current core 2 duo stuff was not out when Jobs
>> announced the switch. He switched for the then upcoming processor road
>> map, which was more attractive from Intel at the time than from IBM.
>> Turned out to be an OK choice I think, although I have yet to get one of
>> the Intel Macs.
>
> Ditto, but I hear great things about Intel Mac boxes. And frankly, I think
> he made a huge mistake not going with AMD.
> However, back on topic: is Apple an ethical company..... :)
I think James' claim was merely that Apple is more ethical than
Microsoft. Not a hard claim to defend given how low Microsoft has sunk
at times, look at the criminal record.
>>> and it's so much better than , uh.. running windows (can't say PC anymore
>>> at this point)!
>> I think you could always say PC. "Personal computer" fits any of these
>> boxes.
>
> Then why a
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