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And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79714]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:10

Neil
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, assumptions and convenient speculation
>>
>>>there James.
>>
>> First it was said in effect that Steve Jobs is a bad guy and greedy.
I
>> totally
>> disagree. you should really look at Gates and Balmer, if you want to

>> call
>> people greedy.
>

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79715 is a reply to message #79714]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:17

excelav

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;>
>>>
>>>I'm not defending either MS or Apple, but I think it's quite narrow minded
>>
>>>to make
>>>Apple out to be shining star of the corporate world just because you
>>>choose
>>
>>>to believe that's the case.
>>>In fact, it's kind of sad you hold Apple in such high regard and think
MS
>> is
>>>basically the spawn of Satan.
>>>A little balance might be the wiser approach.
>>>
>>>In my opinion, if an organization isn't dedicating 100% of it'

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79716 is a reply to message #79715]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:22

Neil
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s resources
>> to
>>>fighting hunger,
>>>helping the poor, or building homes for low income families (Habitat for
>>
>>>Humanity), it's
>>>motivated by one thing - profit. Call it greed, call it business, it's
>> all
>>>the same.
>>
>> Sounds like communist idealism! So all enterprise and businesses are

>> greedy?
>> Would that also apply to individuals?
>>
>>>Remember, it's just a company building a product to sell and make a
>>>profit...
>>>
>>>Hope the Apple flavored kool-aid tastes good where you live.
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>
>> No Kool-Aid here.
>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4604258c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Gate

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79717 is a reply to message #79715]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:22

Neil
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s and company have bribed schools to make sure they use and teach
>>
>>>> everything
>>>> MS and only MS in some cases. They have forced system builders to use
>>
>>>> their
>>>> software. They steal from other companies. They rip off Apple on a
>>>> regular
>>>> basis. They have copied Mac OSX look and feel. They have stomped on
>> and
>>>> forced other companies out of business. They prosecute people for
>>>> copying
>>>> the software they stole from others. That's greed!
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dedric@echomg.com> wrote:
>>>>>I'm going to make a semi-educated wild guess that SJ's reason for this
>> is
>>>>
>>>>>either some tax shelter
>>>>>advantage, and/or the deal he cut with the board when signing on with
>>
>>&

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79718 is a reply to message #79716]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:25

excelav

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gt;>>Apple
>>>>
>>>>>this time - $1 salary
>>>>>in exchange for stock options, etc worth much more. The $1 salary is
>>
>>>>>likely
>>>>
>>>>>there so he is listed
>>>>>as an employee rather than volunteer. I seriously doubt there was any
>>
>>>>>other
>>>>
>>>>>reason
>>>>>than the pure legality and financial advantages to him and the company.
>>>> I
>>>>>seriously doubt his salary
>>>>>would impact the company's bottom line enough to be an act of charity.
>>>> And
>>>>>though it could
>>>>>be a publicity stunt, that seems less than likely as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Comparing salaries isn't a way to evaluate greed or charity.
>>>>>Gates and others have contributed a lot to education and other charities
>>>> -
>>>>>don't know about SJ.
>>>>>I'm not impressed by extreme wealth, but even so, I think it's a bit
>>>>>difficult to judge either Bill or Steve's
>>>>>motivations from a sizable distance.
>>>>>
>>>>>There are just too many examples of excessive salaries, stoc

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79721 is a reply to message #79718]

Thu, 08 February 2007 13:38

EK Sound

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t;>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also
>>
>>>>>> bought
>>>>>> a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He
>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>> own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last

>>>>>> year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy

>>>>>>>>>>>_any_
>>>>>> format
>>>>>>>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone.

>>>>>>>>>>>Trust
>>>>>> me,

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79722 is a reply to message #79718]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:42

excelav

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> >>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have
>> to
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>deal
>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a
>>>>>>>>>>>corporation
>>>>>>>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with
>>>>>>>>>>>making
>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to
be
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>greedy.
>>>>>>>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if
what
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to
>>>>>>>>>>artists,
&g

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79724 is a reply to message #79722]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:57

Neil
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t;>>>>>>>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll
say
>>>>
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar
>>>> a
>>>>>>>year
>>>>>>>>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd
>> like
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it

>>>>>>>>will
>>>>>> always
>>>>>>>>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>beat
>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>right
>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the
>> last
>>>>>>>15
>>>>>>>>>>years
>>>>>>>>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>increased
>>>>>>>>>use
>>>>>>>>>>>>of personal computers, the record com

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79726 is a reply to message #79721]

Thu, 08 February 2007 15:03

excelav

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>>>> to
>>>>>>>>Play
>>>>>>>>>>>>model.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will
not
>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary

>>>>>>>>>>>>>take
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now
>> that
>>>>>>>he's
>>>>>>>>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>surprise,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future
>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>buy a car

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79729 is a reply to message #79714]

Thu, 08 February 2007 14:41

xpam_mark

Messages: 126
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Senior Member

gt;>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4603f6b7$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over
>
>>>>>>>>half
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>billion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79730 is a reply to message #79726]

Thu, 08 February 2007 15:45

Neil
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rticle.php?id=1590" target="_blank">http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also
>>>
>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>> a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He
>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>> own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last
>
>>>>>>> year?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>_any_
>>>>>>> format
>>>>>>>>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Trust
>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have
>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>deal
>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>corporation
>>>>>>>>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with
>>>>>>>>>>>>making
>>>>>

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79731 is a reply to message #79714]

Thu, 08 February 2007 16:07

excelav

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Location: Metro Detroit

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>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to
> be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>greedy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DebianDebianDebianD

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Re: And Whether you're a filthy-rich rock star, or famous celeb... [message #79736 is a reply to message #79731]

Thu, 08 February 2007 16:24

Don Nafe

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Registered: July 2005

Senior Member

us will play FLAC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>files...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hardware,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lincoln,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g

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