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| Re: Streamboy [message #78449 is a reply to message #78417] |
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Deej [4]
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>> out at you.
>>
>> 3 dimensionality cannot currently be quantified. Please don't say that
since
>> we can't
>> currently measure it, it must not exist. Yes, yes I know that the audiophiles
>> have
>> a well earned "crack" reputation for the commercially driven audio voodoo
>> they
>> sometimes espouse, but lab based assertions without the admission that
we,
>> at this
>> time, don't know it all, are vain. Right now we measure amplitude, Freq
and
>> x-y axis
>> I fully expect that we'll be able to quantify 3 dimensionality in the
future
>> as well.
>>
>> To my ears, CuBase/Nuendo, without sending something OTB at some point
in
>> the
>> mixing/mastering chain, just does not cut it. It lacks the punch, the
glue,
>> the
>> realism, the 3 dimensionality that music needs to communicate at the highest
>> level.
>>
>> So what if I think this? So what if LaMont does too?
>>
>> Peace,
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What arguments!! and your so-called Daw test with "trying to make sound
>>> like
>>>> the other daw buy using a series of un related plugins.. That's a fair
>> test?
>>>
>>> By the way - and I have stated this repeatedly, but you can't
>>> seem to get it through your addled mind - that particular test
>>> was simply a: "here are two versions, which one do you think
>>> sounds better?" test - it wasn't a trick, it wasn't a scam, it
>>> was as if you could drop yourself into two different cars going
>>> down the road, without knowing what kind of cars they were &
>>> being asked "which one drives better to your l
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| Re: Streamboy [message #78463 is a reply to message #78449] |
Tue, 16 January 2007 05:35 |
Dimitrios
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a href="mailto:45d06c80@linux" target="_blank">45d06c80@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I watched this last night and I am a little=20
dumbfounded.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>He barely compresses at all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Maybe 2db to tape and almost nothing=20
afterwards.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Man, I compress the S*\h*t out of=20
everything.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Is this just my noviceness =
showing?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I cant remember how much compression he thru =
on=20
the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>master bus.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Anyway....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>freaked me out.</FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brandon </FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C74E80.7ABCC340--Deej-
Not quite in your league, oh master, but I try. Basically replaced the
guts of an older PC with a dualcore PentiumD 2.8GHz system, dropped in
a UAD Ultra and RME/Steinberg Multiface, which connects to Paris via
adat.
I have tried N-tracks and Reaper as my VST instantiator, and come back
in to Paris as both Insert and Aux, but I think latency is a problem
there. I tried using H. Seib's VSTHost wrapper, and it seems a lot
better. I guess I need to check out Vertex or some other latency
compensator.
If worst comes to worst, and we know it will (!), I will just run this
new rig as a second DAW, probably centered around Reaper. That looks
like a killer program, and at $40 a license, not as painful as Cubase
or the other mainstream softwares to the bottom line.
Like the Great One used to say, "And away we gooooo...."
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:28 -0700, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>>Just the other week, I picked up 2 sticks of Kingston 512MB, DDR400
>from newegg for about $112. I am building a PC to host a UAD ultra
>card and other VST and act as an external effects machine for Paris.
>So far, the RAM seems to be humming along fine.<
>
>
>Heeeeehehehe!!!! I'm glad someone is still carrying on with the frankenstein
>stuff.
>
>;o)
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:45d06b7e$1@linux...
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> Dedric-
>
> I certainly agree with qualifying any and all opinions. "Opinions" being
> the operative
> word. I hope I made it clear that my conclusions are personal.
>
> Having said that, the requirement to provide audible proof necessarily
> means
> confining ones conclusions to the realm of what is _currently_ understood
> mathamatically (in the audio case, at least). As a
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| Re: Streamboy [message #78487 is a reply to message #78463] |
Tue, 16 January 2007 14:26 |
Deej [4]
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teresting stuff... I may have to get one of these or...
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>Just a minor technicality, but putting a 2 channel line driver
>>>>on the master bus (2 channel pass through) isn't changing the summing
> -
>>> it's
>>>>just rounding the final mix EQ, compressing a bit with a little
>>>>saturation,
>>>>and perhaps adding some phase non-linearities.
>>>>
>>>>That said, if you like the sound and you get a great mix, that's what
> it's
>>>>all about, regardless of the details of how you got there. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 2/11/07 12:53 AM, in article 45cebd82$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hey DJ...Looks great.. I've heard some very good things about their
>
>>>>> entire
>>>>> Portico line..
>>>>>
>>>>> The 5042 looks like an analog gain stage on a mixer, with analog
>>>>> summing
>>>>> stage on the outs..Cool..
>>>>>
>>>>> You're doing it right DJ..You're adding a nice peice of gear for
>>>>> summing
>>>>> in SX/Neundo..With out it, well you know what your mix will
>>>>> sound..????
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S..did you ever take a peek at the Neve 8816 summing
>>>>> ?mixerhttp://www.neve.eu/index.php?entry=8816&category=P roducts
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>> You should try a Neve 5042 with Nuendo LaMont
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45ce7bb9$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all the above that suck the life out of a Cubase SX mix. Not
> to
>>>>>>> mention,
>>>>>>> keeping your levels way under unity gain zero..Say -6db?? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great Workflow DAW (SX).. So so sonics (imo).. Need superior
>>>>>>> converters
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> decent summing device to get back the Punch and debt./. With out it,
>>> SX
>>>>>
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> give you a nice Wide-open sound that's not as "Crsipy as PT, Not as
>>> much
>>>>>>> Balls as Paris, and sonically not as sophisticated as Samplitude..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the Box mixing, SX is a comprimise on all levels..Better known
> as
>>> "Play
>>>>>>> it safe" digital mixing. Or as some like to say, "correct way of
>>>>>>> digital
>>>>>>> mixing"..Whatever..
>>>>>>> If I have offend, I'm sorry. But, I call them as I hear and use
>>>>>>> them
>>>>> ,and
>>>>>>> all I pretty much use them all..As a Nuendo Owner and everyday user,
>>> the
>>>>>>> above statements apply as well..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why I have integrated a SoundCraft Ghost console/as my front
>>> end
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> Neundo and ProTools, and sum out of it.. World Of Different..
>>>>>>> YOu can use a Mackie (anything), Tascam, Whatever mixer(Digital or
>
>>>>>>> Analog)
>>>>>>> will be superior to your IN the Box summing..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Neil" <oiuOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So is it 40 or 50 tracks?
>>>>>>>> Is it only after a lot of plugins or without regard to plugins?
>>>>>>>> Is it a superior summing device
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