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Tue, 22 August 2006 10:27  |
Tom Bruhl
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ns better than a system
>>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> any one religion (AKA a theocracy).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There are other issues surrounding religions, such as the many
>>>>>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>>>>>> of selfless dedication to helping others on the one hand, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> hijacked
>>>>>>>>>>>> religions used to legitimize earthly power structures in other
>>>>>>>>>>>> cases.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric, I look forward to talking with you about the positives
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> negatives of various religions, and where a moral culture ought
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>> >from here, whenever we next get together.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Jimmy,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No doubt one can be a good person without believing in God -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> tons
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of great people with no faith, or very little. That in and of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself
>>>>>>>>>>> tells
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me there must be a God so even non-believers would have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> strong
>>>>> sense
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right and wrong on a societal and even global level.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To walk through some thoughts: with no God, or higher
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reference
>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be considered moral, or at least good? What would one
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| Re: Authorizing new UAD-1 plugs [message #71629 is a reply to message #71617] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 12:05  |
Tom Bruhl
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e 450df091@linux, "Uptown Jimmy"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea that one needs to believe in a god in order to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>>> morals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is absurd, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:C1325038.358D%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You probably didn't realize it (so no offense), but your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much confirms my assertion that the tendency of our country
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world society, is to place blame for religious conflict,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religiously motivated terrorism anywhere but with the single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing, and currently most violent religion in the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bombings, suicide bombers, torched churches, thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tortured
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered, exiled and ostracized people in favor of blaming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration for anything and everything, as if Bush made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Pope
>>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Byzantine emperor by going to war in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Islam isn't the passive, peaceful, non-threatening,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-accepting
>>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our country seems to blindly want to believe. Some western
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslims
>>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, but just ask anyone who tried to believe in anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative Islamic countries of the world. I know, have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
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| Re: Authorizing new UAD-1 plugs [message #71691 is a reply to message #71629] |
Wed, 23 August 2006 23:33 |
Tom Bruhl
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t;>>>>>> cheating and even killing would be perfectly justified as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> means
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why would right and wrong even exist? I would think that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differences
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between societies' definitions of right and wrong, assuming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> societies
>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existed, would be so drastic we would never have ventured into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> form
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inter-cultural/inter-geographic interaction, much less
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relationships,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diplomacy, collaboration, trade, and open travel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As long as "morals" are only relative to each individual, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolute morals that would last longer than the time it takes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice. We would just have 6.5 billion opinions. There would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever changing perspective on what seems to "make sense" at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> based on this premise, even "making sense" would vary from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> person,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> day to day, minute to minute. In that case, our prisons would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filled with innocent people simply judged "wrong" at the time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choices didn't match the preferences of the majority; or we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prisons, or likely even organized societies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But is the majority always right? How would we know if there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutes that supercede the majority in some form?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If there were no right and wrong, there would be no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least we wouldn't view the outcome as a good or bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>> - it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would just be another event in time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But by grace and as a gift of freedom, God gave us a choice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in Him and whether to make right or wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>> With
>>>>>>>>>>>> moral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutes (God's word) as a reference we have a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate
>>>>>> drastically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differing situations on an equivalent basis; with consistency
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and compassion; by choice and instinct rather than puppetry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to do wrong, He is willing to forgive us. Without that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose, balanced by God's grace and forgiveness, there would
>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: Authorizing new UAD-1 plugs [message #71717 is a reply to message #71691] |
Thu, 24 August 2006 20:17 |
Deej [1]
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;<FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>fine addition to a </FONT><FONT =
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> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>All opinions welcome!</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>DJ,<BR>>Have you had a chance to =
>hear it=20
> yet?<BR>>Tom<BR><BR>Not DJ but...<BR><BR>I had it for a few =
>hours=20
> before my temp license timed out prematurely. Sounds<BR>nice and =
>fairly=20
> close to the real thing. I did a short comparison to my=20
> Portico5043.<BR>The UAD has a similar flavor and controls the =
>dynamics in=20
> a very similar<BR>way, but it is missing the creamy sound of the=20
> hardware - And I hate people<BR>that describe hardware as =
>creamy :=AC)=20
> <BR>Since the plug requires an entire card or it must be rendered,
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>Well.......now we've got a hymm for him to broadcast during services, don't
we?
(I dare ya'!!!)
;o)
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bvc0h2hafkh3ofdv3jt4jm0rgqpe0q3td0@4ax.com...
> james, my best friends brother is one of those and he's building a
> church about 3/4 of a mile from my house...oh happy days.
>
>
> On 20 Sep 2006 03:44:17 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Sorry - I can't help myself.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I assume we all think that schools in the Middle East where children
> >are
> >>>>>indoctrinated with anti-western ideas mixed with big dose of
religious
> >>>zeal
> >>>>>and combined with preaching the virtues of martyrdom are a bad thing.
> >>right?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Gene
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Right.
> >>>>
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co1_9lR9EpM
> >>>
> >>>It's a twisting of the truth! The children are not being taut to kill
> >people,
> >>>they are being taught to be an army for Christ, to spread the word of
god.
> >>> The terms they are using like soldiers, are a figure of speech. It
should
> >>>be soul-diers
> >>>
> >>>Of corse they would inter view an anti Christian to get their twisted
take
> >>>on it. I know your on the left coast, but come on Gene!
> >>>
> >>
> >>So you are OK with what Becky Fischer is doing?
> >>Before you answer, here is another quote from her that has been recorded
> >>by the press with her permission.
> >>"I want to teach kids that there is no greater way to show their love
for
> >>Jesus then to lay down their lives for the gospel".
> >>Nice. Soul-diers indeed.
> >>The Second Commandment and the 6th (they are taught that to kill in
God's
> >>name is not murder) seem to be misplaced at the Kids On Fire Camp.
> >>
> >>How about Fred Phelps, or some of the Christian/Skinheads, or abortion
bombers?
> >>Are you completely unwilling to admit that there are some extremists in
> >the
> >>Christian movement?
> >>Talk about "come on".
> >>
> >>Gene
> >>
> >
> >Gene, there are many that use the name of Christ for their own evil
purposes.
> > There are many radical people that call themselves Christians. I don't
> >know who these people are, that you point out. In Christianity, it is a
> >figure of speech to say lay down your life for Christ. It means to
devote
> >your life to christ and to teach the gospel to everybody, not to go out
and
> >kill people in Christ's name. This is a misinterpretation.
> >
> >In the ten commandments it says, "Thou shalt not do murder", so I don't
know
> >what you are talking about when you say a second commandment. The second
> >commandment is to not build false idols and worship them. More
misinterpretation.
>Well, yes there is that, although we seem to let a whole lot of people that
seem to have very little in experience, and then claim welfare, whilst
making people that genuinely want to come here and contribute jump through
hoops.
A bit like the US or Canada.
But Amy, I'm sorry,we really don't have many snow covered mountains,
although you can hop on a plain and fly to NZ for A$500 and play in their
lovely snowfields
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45117664@linux...
>I don't think they will allow those whose specialty is panhandling.
>
> "Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:45117311$1@linux...
>> I thought folks down under were notoriously reluctant to allow
>> emigration.
>>
>> Jimmy
>>
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.co
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