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Tue, 28 March 2006 19:35  |
Kim
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use it
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>>really means something to you. There's really something special about =
>>jazz for me. Unfortunately the listening public has little or no =
>>understanding, or appreciation of the music form.
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>>Hal Galper says it better than me: "One of my long-time associates in =
>>the business once said that the inscription on his tombstone would read
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>>"It wasn't worth it." As positive a kind of guy as I naturally am, I'm
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>>beginning to sympathize with him."
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>>Read the whole thing here: http://www.richlamanna.com/hal_galper.htm
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>>You know how to make a million dollars playing jazz?
>>Start with 2 million.
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>>Rich
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>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message =
>>news:444901e4@linux...
>> Kim, the only way I learned how to play jazz was by listening to the
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>>cats that I really dug and transcribed tons of solos. I practiced as =
>>many arpeggios as
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| Re: Our NG Google Ranking [message #65864 is a reply to message #65859] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 20:03  |
Neil
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>> this week's whim for me is that I want to switch all my musical=20
>> persuits<BR>> to jazz. I mean rock is all so yesterday. ;o) =
>>Actually, it's=20
>> not a sudden<BR>> whim for this week. It's been brewing for some =
>>time,but=20
>> I've been avoiding<BR>> ths switch because it sounds like too much =
>>hard=20
>> work.<BR>> <BR>> Part of the problem is that jazz musos, or good =
>>ones at=20
>> least, are so good.<BR>> ;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard =
>>parts in=20
>> the average top ten tune,<BR>> to the piano part in an average jazz =
>>tune,=20
>> there's no comparison. One is<BR>> decidedly more difficult, more =
>>advanced,=20
>> and more clever. And harder to play.<BR>> <BR>> And for the last =
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>> years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened<BR>> to a =
>>recorded=20
>> performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to<BR>> =
>>imitate=20
>> what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For =
>>starters<BR>>=20
>> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If
I
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>> copy<BR>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody =
>>emulating=20
>> that particular<BR>> recording, where the expectation is that I =
>>should be=20
>> doing my own, different,<BR>> original version. I mean I'm quite =
>>capable of=20
>> doing that, but I need to learn<BR>> the tune somehow, and while I =
>>have=20
>> some ability to read charts, I'm hardly<BR>> an expert at it, as =
>>I've found=20
>> that working off the actual recordings is<BR>> generally far more =
>>effective=20
>> for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.<BR>> <BR>> Anybody =
>>know of=20
>> somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards <BR>> "as =
>>they're=20
>> written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes<BR>> =
>>before=20
>> people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such=20
>> thing... ...would<BR>> be handy, for me at least. =
>>MIDI=20
>> files even might
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| Re: Our NG Google Ranking [message #65878 is a reply to message #65865] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 21:33 |
Neil
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what's to stop me grabbing the nearest
>chromatic
>> tuner and a spanner and giving it a bash myself. Obviously it would take
>> me a while, but is there any real trick to it. I mean if it's going to
>slip
>> back out of pitch, I figure even if I do a bad job, I might as well life
>> it up to around 440 and let it sit for a month before I get a real guy
out
>> here. Even if I do a bad job and it's not particularily good to play,
>surely
>> I'm better off to have it close to 440 as a start point, rather than flat
>> a semitone?
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>> And while I'm at it, anybody know anything about fixing pianolas? ;o)
When
>> you start to pedal, a number of keys play when they're not supposed to,
>and
>> it's leaking a fair bit of air... ...surely nothing some gaffa can't
>fix?
>> ;o)
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>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
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>you noticed too huh? Where's the hot bimbo jazz chicks like those that
follow Bon Jovi around?
Rich Lamanna wrote:
> John, jazz chicks are generally wierdos! And they smell like Patchouli.
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> Rich
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> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:44498482@linux...
> Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this practicing, perspiration and
> starvation since you won't be able to work since you're practicing so much;
> once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig that pays more than
> $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the usual
> loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap about all
> the hip shit you're playing. Then be prepared to turn down or play more
> traditional, if you're playing too loud or too hip. And don't forget that
> you'll need a day gig to pay for your coke and alcohol addictions, since
> you've become so neurotic, myopic and reclusive after about 10 years of
> constant 6-8 hr/day shedding. If you had a life before you became a jazz
> musician, you c
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| Re: Our NG Google Ranking [message #65882 is a reply to message #65878] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 21:48 |
Kim
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;o) I mean when you compare the keyboard parts in the average top ten
> tune,
>> to the piano part in an average jazz tune, there's no comparison. One is
>> decidedly more difficult, more advanced, and more clever. And harder to
> play.
>> And for the last 20 years, when I've wanted to learn a tune, I've listened
>> to a recorded performance of the tune, and then worked out some parts to
>> imitate what I hear, but with jazz the expectation is different. For
> starters
>> most recorded versions are incredibly personalised to the player. If I
> copy
>> what I hear on a record, I'll just sound like somebody emulating that
> particular
>> recording, where the expectation is that I should be doing my own,
> different,
>> original version. I mean I'm quite capable of doing that, but I need to
> learn
>> the tune somehow, and while I have some ability to read charts, I'm hardly
>> an expert at it, as I've found that working off the actual recordings is
>> generally far more effective for pop/rock music. Not so for jazz it seems.
>>
>> Anybody know of somewhere where I can download copies of jazz standards
>> "as they're written"? A reference point as to how the original melody goes
>> before people start "doing jazz" to it? Bet there's no such thing...
> ...would
>> be handy, for me at least. MIDI files even might be ideal.
>>
>> And of course I don't actually know any real jazz musos. I know some
> people
>> who know a bit of jazz, but nobody where I'd say there expertise is in
> jazz.
>> I think I just need to bite the bullet and start putting some serious
> effort
>> into improving my chart reading skills...
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>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
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>Yeh, I've actually been reflecting upon this since the posts about not getting
rich.
When I think about it, I've heard a number of people around Melbourne comment
that you earn much better money doing jazz gigs than pop/rock gigs if you're
an unknown or little known muso. The thing being that jazz has an aura of
sophistication to it. Corporations want it for their presentations. Wineries
want it to sell their wine. The the people with the money to burn want it,
and their aren't that many people who are any good at it.
I've actually heard of some fairly average jazz players getting $200+ a gig,
whereas anyone other than your top cover bands here wouldn't be making that
from pop/rock. Good jazz players can make $500 in a night, or so I've heard.
On t
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| Re: Our NG Google Ranking [message #65884 is a reply to message #65882] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 21:55 |
Neil
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nd.... :-)
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>My neighbor is an upright bass player. He gigs the dc cocktail/benefit/art
>show/museum circuit. Also gives lessons during the day, his wife gives
voice
>lessons (amazing voice), and his twin daughters get an almost free ride
to
>one of the most prestigious private schools in DC because of their prodigious
>musical talent.
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>In other words they have a rich, rewarding musical, family and financial
>life based right on jazz and classical.
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>Anything is possible :)
>
>Chuck
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>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Thanks for that Rich. I'll check out your link too, when I get through
some
>>of these others.
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>>At this gig the other night, one of the guys said on mic "Our CD's are
available
>>at the bar. If some of you guys bought a CD that would really help us hit
>>the jazz top ten, which would I think require about 20 sales..." ;o)
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>>I'm aware that jazz isn't going to make me rich and famous. Even in cases
>>where people are famous, they're still not rich. The truth is though that
>>me and popular music seem to be going our seperate ways. There is little
>>in new music that interests me, and little motivation for me to persue
it,
>>and I really don't feel very driven to play stuff that I think is crud,
>just
>>because that's what the punters want.
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>>I'd much prefer that I get enjoyment out of it myself, know my craft, and
>>have a small but knowledgeable audience that appreciates and understands
>>what I'm doing, which is where jazz will likely take me. We do have a few
>>jazz clubs around Melbourne, so if I can work towards gigs in such places
>>it will hopefully mean that at least most of the audience will be appreciative,
>>even if they don't really understand it.
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>>I've got some work to do before I get there though. Although it's probably
>>true that my "fudged" jazz I do at the moment is probably fairly adequate
>>for the average unknowledgeable audience. There's part of me that can't
>stand
>>the thought though that there's one guy sitting at a table somewhere in
>the
>>room thinking "This guy really doesn't know jazz"... ...which is I guess
>>what drives the jazz muso. ;o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
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>>>Oh, I forgot to tell you. After all of this practicing, perspiration and
>>=
>>>starvation since you won't be able to work since you're practicing so
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>>>much; once you learn how to play jazz, try finding a gig that pays more
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>>>than $50.00, all 2 of them a month. While you're playing expect the =
>>>usual loudmouthed moron, yelling over your solo, who could give a crap
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| Re: Our NG Google Ranking [message #65890 is a reply to message #65884] |
Tue, 28 March 2006 23:33 |
Kim
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ck 1ms and insert
analog x sampleslide (or something like that, voxengo makes one also) set
at 78 samples
Rod
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
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>I gots me a question that probably has been answered before.
>What is the latency of the EDS gates with zero lookahead?
>I want to use them on toms on a vey 1980's track, and they really seem to
>kill the fullness of the toms when inserted, even if set not to gate, so
>I figure I am going to need to nudge ala UAD style.
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>Oh, while I am at it, anyone know the latency of the waves phasor plug,
I
>can't recall the name off hand, metaflanger perhaps.
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>Thanks again!I've never went beyond 1.3, so that explains that.
Rod
"W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@integrity.com> wrote:
>I beg to differ Rod - I've had 4.x and higher introduce latencies that were
>simply intolerable without moving the source material to compensate. What
>version are you running? I recall 1.3 not being detectable but then again,
>it was good for Cher'ing or very gentle correction.
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>I hate admit it but every once in a while, you get a backyard beagle who
>wants to sound like Celine... and never will... but out comes 4.x with knobs
>slammed against its stops to keep the wannabe in his/her delusion.
>
>Dubya
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>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>> Don, I'm pretty sure it's zero. If not, it's at least close enough to
it
>> to
>> not be a problem for what it's used for.
>> Rod
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>I do the BT thing all the time, with 1.3, and it always lines up.
Rid
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>The reason I ask is if I try BT's DVD trick nothing lines up...it used to...
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>UH....unless of course Waves RenComp is making this happen....Duh hadn't
>thought about that!
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>Gonna have to check this out
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>D-uh-n
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>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:444adb47$1@linux...
>> Is there any and if so what is it?
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>> Just wondering
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>> Don
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>I'm gonna run through it again and see what happens...something's acting up
Don
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:444bcacc$1@linux...
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> I do the BT thing all the time, with 1.3, and it always lines up.
> Rid
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>The reason I ask is if I try BT's DVD trick nothing lines up...it used
>>to...
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>>UH....unless of course Waves RenComp is making this happen....Duh hadn't
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>>thought about that!
>>
>>Gonna have to check this out
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>>D-uh-n
>>
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>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:444adb47$1@linux...
>>> Is there any and if so what is it?
>>>
>>> Just wondering
>>>
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