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Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 08:39 Go to next message
Deej [3] is currently offline  Deej [3]   UNITED STATES
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coming from
>europe. Just of the jews and america. Until I see otherwise,
>we must stay the course.


see, one problem is that i can watch almost all US TV stations
and buy

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55054 is a reply to message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Nappy is currently offline  Nappy
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/> stay so for at least another 50 years.

so i dont really know what to reply to such accusations.
its so completely unreal, i dont know where to start.


>See, any response to terrorism besides negotiation is either
>"muscle flexing" or "cowboys" or "macho".


muscle flexing is what i called it, getting bored by the
"politics of force" terms i used the entire force.
"cowboys" and "macho" is yet another projection of yours.

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55063 is a reply to message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tony Benson is currently offline  Tony Benson   UNITED STATES
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gain.
oh well.



>Perhaps they do not serve God at all. Perhaps at minimum they
>have perverted Islam? Your hatred of religion will not offer an
>alternative.


no hatred. a very cynical distance though, yes, definetly.
i did say a few words about personal belief on the one
hand on huge monotheistic religious institutions on the other hand and whether
the latter is any good for this planet.
you can go back and read it if youre interested, but i guess
for now its enough. and now ill go to b

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55069 is a reply to message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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ter than george-bush-is-pure-evil bullshit.
>its kindergarden. no thanks.

Nonsense. Where have I done this? I can support any of the very
few claims I have made about Europe.

>> you assume all violence is failure
>
>
>i repeatedly said the exact opposite but nevermind. rant on.

No, you espouse selective pacifism which you conveniently misplace
in Bosnia, but apply rigidly to Israel.


>i did. its why im interested in this discussion.
>a childish "

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55080 is a reply to message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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sis in the future is, imo, the maybe
>even more important goal. diplomacy, holding oneself to
>the high standards we used to at least pretend to have, that
>kind of stuff seems like the more promising way to go for
>that (unless you want to tell me that you believe that the
>very concept of diplomacy is at fault).

Diplomacy only works with non-crazy people. At least for the long-term.
Kill the gho

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Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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uls, negotiate with the sane survivors.


>>And what do you offer in place of this accursed religion?
>>Darwin? Pacifism? An enlightened social contract between
>>free moral people? Think these things will sell to the islamofascists?
>>Me neither. These are weak ideas and subject to the opinions of whoever
>>offers them.
>>Meaningless phrases full of intent, signifying

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55082 is a reply to message #55081] Wed, 29 June 2005 20:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
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nothing.


>just like institutionalized religion, really. only difference
>being that is has a much cleaner historical track record.
>but im not about to even start hoping that there will be
>a significant change here anytime soon, cause im not
>religious about that either. this is a change that comes
>over time, separation of religion and politics...
>it seemed to get better in the second half of the
>last century. currently it seems to get worse again.
>oh well.

My point is that when confronted with religion that causes evil,
the solution may not be atheism or secularism, but religion that
causes good.


>>Perhaps they do not serve

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55091 is a reply to message #55051] Wed, 29 June 2005 23:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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s views.

John



rick wrote:
> hey, i found out i'm probably a drunk and definitely a jackass...so i
> guess i'm deeper than i thought.
>
> ;o)
>
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:12:05 -0500, Tony <tonyx@standingxhampton.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Justin,
>>
>>I think the problem with these topics is that everyone seems pretty hell
>>bent on changing somebody else's politics in the course of a few news group
>>posts. That isn't ever going to happen. It takes years for each of us to
>&

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Re: Happy Birthday Martin!!!! [message #55285 is a reply to message #55051] Tue, 05 July 2005 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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