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| Re: Yeh sorry, we had a major power outage... [message #54995 is a reply to message #54993] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 08:15   |
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Deej [3]
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Registered: June 2005
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this, because I NEVER hear
any demands for change, or criticism of moslems coming from
europe. Just of the jews and america. Until I see otherwise,
we must stay the course.
>it of course changed when rabin was gone and benjamin netanyahu
>followed. and boy did he change course. it had been rougher times
>after rabin had been killed, and from the two options
>of quickly going back to deescalation or make some
>"flex muscle" type gestures, he chose the latter, hardly
>a surprise, that was what he was voted for.
See, any response to terrorism besides negotiation is either
"muscle flexing" or "cowboys" or "macho". And you cannot
see how america might see europe as so arrogant and sefl-ab
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| Re: Yeh sorry, we had a major power outage... [message #55022 is a reply to message #54995] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 00:21 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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: "Wiesbaden" (which for those of you who don't know,
>>but may be reading this, is right across the river from Mainz).
>>And thanks also for the great beer, and the eiswein, and the
>>kick-ass trains that get you nearly anywhere you want to go
>>quite easily, and thanks for the C-class coupe that I drive
>>right now... we don't build cars that are that good here.
>>
>>All I wanted was "thanks for no tanks!", and you're still
>>missing that point... I never said it was America alone that
>>was responsible for ending the cold war. Our presence on your
>>border was 100% responsible for the Soviets staying closer to
>>Halberstadt than Herzberg, and closer to Bad Langensalza than
>>Bad Kissingen before said cold war came to a close... that's
>>all I was saying.
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>>>as to the rest, whats there to say when you completely
>>>ignore all of my points...
>>>
>>>- about germany and the possibility that it might NOT have
>>>been
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| Re: Yeh sorry, we had a major power outage... [message #55030 is a reply to message #55011] |
Wed, 29 June 2005 01:09 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
Registered: October 2005
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that's
> still a common practice), so that there would be even less
> troops in place. Coming over at 3am on a Sunday Morning would
> be nice & quiet & stealthy, don't you think? Or since they
> didn't have much in the way of night vision capabilities, a
> Sunday afternoon would have been pleasant.
>
> Further complicating the problem is the fact that you normally
> get your highest rainfall in the June/July time frame there, so
> we'd have been stuck trying to maneuver in well-soaked earth,
> while the Autobahns & bridges on West German side would have
> been crammed with whatever civilians weren't partying in Spain
> trying to get out towards the west, and the Autobahns coming
> from the east would have been stuffed full of Russian tanks &
> BMP's pinning us against the rivers.
>
> Assuming a completely conventional war, we still wouldn't have
> lost the whole war, had one occurred... we had superior air
> power, for example, but that takes time to scramble & mobilize
> & assist in killing thousands of tanks, and then rearm & refuel
> to do more of the same, but we would have lost most of our
> ground forces in Europe, and half of what was West Germany
> would have been overrun before we could have beaten them back,
> that's for sure.
>
> It's a damn good thing that never happened. I dunno how many of
> you reading this actually realize to this extent what the deal
> really was, but that's what would've occurred. A LOT of
> Americans knew this same shit that I just typed, but were ready
> to be there for our allies, and I guess that's what pisses me
> off sometimes when I hear someone that we were ready & willing
> to deal with (& die in) the above scenario in order to defend
> talk shit about us... Derek, I don't mean you specifically, I'm
> just talking in general terms now.
>
> Anyway, I guess I'm
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