| chat is over [message #54955] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 00:19  |
steve the artguy
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say that im interested in instead of
>the useless standard bullshit? israel, rabin anyone? anyone
>care to loose a word about the only man that ever effectively
>reduced terror in israel? nada.
I said I'd talk about Israel when I had time... I have posted a new thread
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| Re: chat is over [message #54962 is a reply to message #54957] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 05:23  |
Rob Arsenault
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ts in particular), while at the same
time giving arafat enough to present a negotiation path to
his people that seemed promising enough to keep the power,
which was also the power to at least mostly keep the terror
under control. of course, that was when the terror really
was still mostly PLO business.
it looked all very promising. PLO was da shit, hamas was
not, and arafat was powerful (and even determined) enough
to just chase and kill hamas people. it was the last
time arafat could actually claim to have an influence on
whether there would be terror or not, at least a very very
big influence on how much terror there would be.
i was very impressed by rabin. of course, the timing
and surrounding was right, and its very ironic but also
absolutely true that only an ex general on the one side
and the terrorist leader on the other side had enough credit
from their people to go through with this, since the
people would only trust guys like these to be acting
in their own countrys interest.
enter religious idiot stage right - boom. oh man.
&g
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| Re: chat is over [message #54965 is a reply to message #54962] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 07:30 |
Don Nafe
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less
the ultimate extremist and head of terror, he now
was more or less the "diplomat who didnt get us anywhere",
and definetly NOT the leading terrorist anymore,
PLO? hamas is where the terror came from.
so, since arafat always was a selfish asshole,
he went back to selfish asshole mode and the following
years, the whole sad struggle began with clinton going in and out and
in and out and in and out, ultimately ending in arafat
denying a peace plan he would have agreed on only years before.
it was all some stupid theather play, that was now
doomed right from the start.
especially considering that arafat was negotiating something he had
no influence anymore, the amount of terror. what a joke.
was he head of hamas or something? of course he wasnt.
so, whose fault was it? was it the religious idiot that shot
the man that was close to write history? (and, one cant
stress that enough, since this is basically the heart and
center of the giant cultural and religious conflict were currently facing,
this could have changed history with a lot more being affected
than that ridiculously small piece of oh so sacred land down there).
was it netanyahu who failed to smell the historical opportunity?
was it the people in israel who were stupid enough to
vote for that guy, even though they were as close to actual
peace as never before? (note that voting for netanyahu
was basically a vote for at least a gradual return to the
politic concept of showing force and strengh - did it pay off?
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| Re: chat is over [message #54970 is a reply to message #54969] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 08:25 |
steve the artguy
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you stupid, and
>>> I have never seen any evidence to prove otherwise.
>>
>>Fair enough... especially if you think I'm stupid.
>
> That's the POINT dammit. I DON'T think you're stupid. I see a
> strong intelligence at work in all the stuff you think about. You
> would be Yoda without the dope. Sorry. Just my opinion.
Actually I'd be in jail for beating the shit out of people without the
reefer.
>>> There's a whole underground of people who just love the music,
>>> not the drugs, not the bling, not the pussy, just the music.
>>>
>>> You should join us.
>>
>>But I need ONE crutch... I have reduced my smoking from daily to once a
> week
>>or so, and am pretty much just addicted to lifting weights.
>
>
> And I eat too much, so I can't judge others.
Pretty much everyone thats quit drugs and booze have universally turned into
food addicts. My buddy who quit smoking now eats Krispy Kremes by the
DOZEN.
> I don't have the facts to discuss it. But I do not believe that Bush
> is padding his buddies pockets on the blood of this war, at least
> not as an intention.
I strongly disagree with that.
This is worth reading as one example of what I'm referring to:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050627/pl_nm/iraq_halliburton_d c_3
If its a choice between incompetence and intention, I'd have to go with
intention, because I dont believe they're stupid one bit.
>
> My buddy's brother worked in WTC7 and he can tell you there
> was none of the nonsense prattled on about in the conspiracy
> theories because he was there. (The CIA had an office there,
> so that makes it a hotbed for theories) There was 40,000 gallons
> of diesel in there for electricity backup in a tank near the top
> of WTC7; the wreckage from the towers set it off and the
>
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| Re: chat is over [message #54975 is a reply to message #54962] |
Mon, 27 June 2005 10:36 |
Deej [3]
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Registered: June 2005
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ng in German
>at the table next to me, I was able to recognize the particular
>accent/dialect & I said: "You're from Mainz, aren't you?" and
>they said: "Wiesbaden" (which for those of you who don't know,
>but may be reading this, is right across the river from Mainz).
>And thanks also for the great beer, and the eiswein, and the
>kick-ass trains that get you nearly anywhere you want to go
>quite easily, and thanks for the C-class coupe that I drive
>right now... we don't build cars that are that good here.
>
>All I wanted was "thanks for no tanks!", and you're still
>missing that point... I never said it was America alone that
>was responsible for ending the cold war. Our presence on your
>border was 100% responsible for the Soviets staying closer to
>Halberstadt than Herzberg, and closer to Bad Langensalza than
>Bad Kissingen before said cold war came to a close... that's
>all I was saying.
>
>
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>>as to the rest, whats there to say when you completely
>>ignore all of my points...
>>
>>- about germany and the possibility that it might NOT have
>>been a case of complete sucky ungratefulness but a case
>>of strong disagreement about the second iraq war (even more
>>likely since germany wasnt exactly the only nation that
>>didnt agree)? nothing.
>>
>>- the stuff i say that
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| Re: chat is over [message #54983 is a reply to message #54975] |
Tue, 28 June 2005 00:30 |
Kim
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Registered: October 2005
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ere of Europeans who were *from Europe*
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>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d71940$1@linux...
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:42d70cad$1@linux...
>>
>>> Well, that was a bunch of good typing wasted on someone who
>>> wouldn't believe the facts if said facts could sing & dance &
>>> put on a broadway musical to better get your attention &
>>> illustrate their point.
>>
>>You're way off base.... Not that I really care, but you said something
>
>>about how I should get off my ass, based on some bizarre assumption. I
> post
>>that I do try to be active on the issues, and you reply with what?
>
> It' wasn't a matter of you getting of your ass, it was a
> question of you feeling like the government is keeping you
> down, fucking you over, preventing you from achieving your
> goals - that seems to be an underlying thread to everything you
> post when this sort of subject matter comes up.
I never said that... I think the current administration is corrupt. I
think the military industrial complex is profiting off the war. How do you
extend that to me saying the government is keeping me down?
>Being active on
> the issues is NOT the same as taking the attitude of: "Dammit,
> I'm going to get where I want to be, and I'm going to overcome
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