ng, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>
>>Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof studio
>and
>>control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my basement,
>>but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.) Anyway,
>>after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and running
>>again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project started
>>a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do most
>>mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions via
>my
>>near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>
>>Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective) headphones?
>>(What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support local
businesses
>>and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully nothing
>>too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>
>>Many thanks in advance,
>>Larry Hogan
>Yeah, I guess so..
googol is a term for 10^100. I think the name google is a pun(t) on the
companys intentions re page indexing.
Chuck
"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>furthermore, id like to add that "google" is a dumb ass fucking name for
a
>search engine.
>"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote in message news:49f5a656$1@linux...
>>
>> In the past google would not full index this site because it used
>> parameterized
>> urls. This is no longer the case, and google is now full indexing *all*
>> posts on this site. In some cases this is a good thing, and in others
not
>> so good - think on some of the general threads in years past.
>>
>> Some of us post personal information, where we live, kids, dogs, photos,
>> life, income,
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
in some sense i'm kinda thinking of just going for the magma chassis....
what would you suggest mobo with lots of pci slots? or magma chasis?
do the eds cards give off enough heat where its best to have a magma sense I plan to have a good amount of eds cards ( at least 4)??
Man, this is just another sign of the end of Paris... I can't sell nothing on the For Sale here (zero interested). I can't get no bids on Paris stuff on ebay (3 watchers that do nothing for 4 days) -- other ebay sellers have zero bids on their Paris stuff too.
I just bought the new drivers thinking I might try to do some mixdowns in Paris again, but changed my mind since I got a new UAD-2.
And the prices are getting even lower... and about 5 total people here still posting... Not a good day in Paris land...
(ok, I am done ranting...)I've got a guy watching the For Sales like a hawk, waiting for a check to clear. The traffic problems on the group have something to do with the broken sync between NG and forums; some posts are winding up in the NG and some on the forum. I'm in the process of troubleshooting it with the forum's developer right now and we expect a resolution shortly (free time was at a bit of a premium this weekend but he's given me a list of stuff to run down).
PARIS' death has been foretold regularly for years. But most of the facilities I'm familiar with have been actively *expanding* their rigs for months now, getting ready for the new ASIO drivers amongst other things.I plan to get into paris but I'm biding my time , first building PC/hackintosh, then going to get paris gearNevermindyeah! more bassplayerjokes! Hi Don,
Did I miss your post? Let me know if I dropped the ball on something.
All the best,
MikeOK, this is an old one (but hey - at least it's not "drums stop, very bad!" )
A man's teenaged son expresses interest in bass guitar lessons, so his father hunts around and finds him a local pro as a teacher. Lessons are arranged, and the evening comes for the first lesson. The boy arrives home afterwards, and his father asks him what they studied. The boy says "Tonight we learned about the E string&q
Next week, it's time for the second lesson. Once again the father asks the same question; the boy's response is "well, tonight we learned about the A string".
The third lesson comes, and the father is concerned when the boy doesn't come home afterwards. Dad waits up anxiously, and around three o'clock in the morning the boy swaggers in, reeking of bourbon, cigarettes and cheap perfume.
The father says "Where the hell were you?". The boy replies "dude, chill out - I had a gig".
- Kerry (bassist)
I think it looks cool, but I'm still using a G4 Mac, well at least for now. You PC guys get all the cool NEW stuff! Dude, What stuff are you selling? And like Kerry said, some of us are still expanding our rigs, (even us APPLE dudes). But, I still miss 2 inch tape, and ride a motorcycle with a kick starter on it. OLD SCHOOL, I know!Nice to have you aboard, John - cool things coming down the pipe for PARIS, too. Mike Audet has been quiet, but I'm guessing not idle So my wife tells me it's time to get BLOW (Pro) Tools, since we run a commercial facility, and because Paris is OLD School, and low tech and such. Boo Freekin Hoo! So here's my list of COOL STUFF that's old school, and that's probably not as high tech as Pro Tools 8.?. The 57 Chevy. REAL Hammond organ. Wurlitzer Electric Piano. Hohner Clavinet. The Acoustic Piano, (what an OUT dated piece of junk!) the Rhodes, ( hopefully they can keep the dream alive) Dave Smith? WOW, some one actually loves somthing that sounds REAL, instead of that contrived Digital poo poo that's so popular. Tubes. WHAT? The 52 Tele. The Horse. The Acoustic Guitar, the Human Voice. Women. Wood. Strings. Harmonicas.... Well, I'm done now cause it's Cinco de Mayo, and we're nearly out of Beer, (Digidesign doesn't have a new and improved digital version of that,"with plug ins" what ever will I do), so I hope my intoxicated Bla Bla only bothers those who need bothering! I like trees,(for burning), oops, for making houses and stuff. Love you guys! Long live Paris, long live 2" tape, kick stands, REAL girls, and dirt! Hardy freakin Har! Love John. Nope I was just repeating everyone here so decided to pull my post...The important thing to remember is that Paris STILL sounds great..!!For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris config
turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I went
back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
things.
I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that accompanies
each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if that's
the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job nicely.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>
> Living dangerously
>
> Don
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49f5cff2@linux...
>> Hey Don,
>>
>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>
>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>> So now the dumb question
>>>
>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct, Paris
>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But I
>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in stereo
>>>> channels.
>>>>
>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and your
>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>
>>>> Erling
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono and
>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove that
>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried yesterday
>>>>>
>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that I
>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3 wrapper
>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real logical,
>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need an
>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show up
>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used its
>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I allways
>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that can
>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find the
>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used this
>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy with
>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST plugins.
>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer in
>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against the
>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it with
>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it workes,
>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in the
>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most (my
>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe DirectX
>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to DX,
>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers can
>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and copy
>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in a
>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion find
>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you can
>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there, as
>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some years
>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks, Sampleslide,
>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is wonky
>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except my
>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat would
>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing up.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Don, when you say it, I seems to remember I had the same nightmare with
popup errors when trying to remove the VST folder in Paris cfg. It's so many
years ago but something says me, if aVST folder was set for use in the
Setting Menu, Paris locked it there and remembered the VST plugins in that
folder, whatever I tried to do. It was in those days I had Ghosted, so I
believe I had a clean Paris installation where nothing was marked, so I
could start up again the experiments from the beginning. I'm pretty sure it
was the last time I was setting a VST folder from the Setting Menu in Paris,
when I got FXpansion 3.3 and Chainer to work together. I'm often using
directX plugins too, in combination with VST's in Chainer, so therefore I
never either touch DX configurations when innstalling Paris on new machines.
With Chainer I can use up to 9 VST plugins and 3 DX on each channel in Paris
or I can use up to 36 VST plugins if using 4 Chainers on each channel. But
this is just theoretical, it's the PC horsepower that makes rules for how
many plugins you can use.
But as a golden rule for most of us: Never change a good working system if
you have work to do with it!
Erling
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:49f82524@linux...
> For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
> config turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so
> I went back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take
> care of things.
>
> I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
> accompanies each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors
> but if that's the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in
> time.
>
> I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
> nicely.
>
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>
>> Living dangerously
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>> Hey Don,
>>>
>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>
>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>
>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>> Paris must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up.
>>>>> But I believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>> stereo channels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>>>>> your wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Erling
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>>>>>> and stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>>>>> that insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that I
>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>> wrapper in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>> logical, since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that
>>>>>>> need an opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can
>>>>>>> show up VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used its
>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>> allways have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer
>>>>>>> that can find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>> to find the Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins
>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used this
>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy with
>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>> plugins. I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad
>>>>>>> computer in Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>>>>>> the years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it with
>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it workes,
>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>>>>>>>> the paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>>>>>>>> (my rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>> DirectX shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST
>>>>>>>>> to DX, so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the
>>>>>>>>> wrappers can find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and copy
>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in a
>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion find
>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
>>>>>>>>>>>can open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there,
>>>>>>>>>>>as far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks, Sampleslide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is wonky
>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except my
>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat would
>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Hey Don,
What did the pop errors say?
Tom
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f82524@linux...
> For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
> config turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so
> I went back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take
> care of things.
>
> I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
> accompanies each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors
> but if that's the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in
> time.
>
> I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
> nicely.
>
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>
>> Living dangerously
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>> Hey Don,
>>>
>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>
>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>
>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>> Paris must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up.
>>>>> But I believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>> stereo channels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>>>>> your wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Erling
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>>>>>> and stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>>>>> that insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that I
>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>> wrapper in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>> logical, since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that
>>>>>>> need an opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can
>>>>>>> show up VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used its
>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>> allways have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer
>>>>>>> that can find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>> to find the Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins
>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used this
>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy with
>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>> plugins. I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad
>>>>>>> computer in Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>>>>>> the years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it with
>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it workes,
>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>>>>>>>> the paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>>>>>>>> (my rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>> DirectX shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST
>>>>>>>>> to DX, so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the
>>>>>>>>> wrappers can find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and copy
>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in a
>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion find
>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
>>>>>>>>>>>can open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there,
>>>>>>>>>>>as far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks, Sampleslide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is wonky
>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except my
>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat would
>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Det ails.asp?EdpNo=4642574Something about UAD plugins not loading properly or something like
that...one for each plugin
ARGH!
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49f8601c@linux...
> Hey Don,
>
> What did the pop errors say?
>
> Tom
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f82524@linux...
>> For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>> config turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows
>> so I went back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to
>> take care of things.
>>
>> I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>> accompanies each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors
>> but if that's the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in
>> time.
>>
>> I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>> nicely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>
>>> Living dangerously
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>
>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>
>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>> Paris must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up.
>>>>>> But I believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins
>>>>>> in stereo channels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>>>>>> your wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>>>>>>> and stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>>>>>> that insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that I
>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>> wrapper in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>> logical, since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin,
>>>>>>>> that need an opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host
>>>>>>>> that can show up VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
>>>>>>>> its own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>> allways have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only
>>>>>>>> Chainer that can find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and
>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3 to find the Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the
>>>>>>>> VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>> this combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer"
>>>>>>>> here - I believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really
>>>>>>>> happy with that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my
>>>>>>>> VST plugins. I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD
>>>>>>>> Quad computer in Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>>>>>>> the years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it
>>>>>>>> with some searching.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>> workes, it workes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>>>>>>>>> the paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>>>>>>>>> (my rig is put away right now), so you might ping him
>>>>>>>>> specifically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>> DirectX shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making
>>>>>>>>>> VST to DX, so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the
>>>>>>>>>> wrappers can find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>find Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>you can open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>>there, as far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in
>>>>>>>>>>>>Paris some years ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide, FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>something is wonky in my setup and it's probably my fault but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to get this sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled
>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything except my UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>would be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Not sure how XP would like the 8GB RAM?
It's the right price.
T
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:49f899bb@linux...
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Det ails.asp?EdpNo=4642574
>
>
>
>
>I have a Phenom X4 2.6 Ghz with an Asus M3A 3 pci slots motherboard for
Paris in Norway. It's working wonderful with Mike Audet's new drivers.
If it's enough with 2 pci slots, I think it will be a good machine for
Paris. But Win 32bit systems will only see 3GB RAM of the 8 and you need one
more harddisk if you want to use it more safely for recordings.
If you also want to use it for Cubase etc., it could be a better idea to
think of the new AMD Phenom II X4 processor.
I'm writing this right now on a Phenom II X4 3Ghz overclocked 10% to 3.3 Ghz
with an Asus M3N78 Pro motherboard. I shall first of all use it with Cubase
5 and ProTools 8, when I get more time to test it out. Built it 3 weeks ago
and it have worked really nice in these weeks.
Erling
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> skrev i en meddelelse
news:49f899bb@linux...
> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Det ails.asp?EdpNo=4642574
>
>
>
>
>fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level of my
C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered plugins
3. non powered wrapped plugs.
I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper. Folder
3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst world....usually
the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything seems
to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my number
dude.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris config
>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I went
>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
>things.
>
>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that accompanies
>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if that's
>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>
>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job nicely.
>
>
>
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>
>> Living dangerously
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>> Hey Don,
>>>
>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>
>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>
>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct, Paris
>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But
I
>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in stereo
>>>>> channels.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
your
>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Erling
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
and
>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
that
>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried yesterday
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
I
>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3 wrapper
>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real logical,
>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
an
>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
up
>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
its
>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I allways
>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that
can
>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find
the
>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used this
>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy with
>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST plugins.
>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
in
>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
the
>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it with
>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it workes,
>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
the
>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
(my
>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe DirectX
>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to DX,
>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
can
>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and copy
>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in
a
>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion find
>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
can
>>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there, as
>>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some years
>>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks, Sampleslide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is wonky
>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
my
>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat would
>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or Skype
>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>I have an SBS 7 slot I bought years ago, fired up once and never put into
action with Paris. I have 4 EDS cards just itching to live together. I've
got spare drives just laying around waiting to be used. I know I'll have to
yank down the amount of RAM to an XP happy number. More of what I'm looking
for is if anyone is using this chipset with success. This rig I posted is
blowing out at $299... hard to pass up if it will work to replace the ole'
stable XP1900+ system.
What chipset is on your M3A brotha?
AA
"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f8e5c4@linux...
>I have a Phenom X4 2.6 Ghz with an Asus M3A 3 pci slots motherboard for
>Paris in Norway. It's working wonderful with Mike Audet's new drivers.
> If it's enough with 2 pci slots, I think it will be a good machine for
> Paris. But Win 32bit systems will only see 3GB RAM of the 8 and you need
> one more harddisk if you want to use it more safely for recordings.
> If you also want to use it for Cubase etc., it could be a better idea to
> think of the new AMD Phenom II X4 processor.
> I'm writing this right now on a Phenom II X4 3Ghz overclocked 10% to 3.3
> Ghz with an Asus M3N78 Pro motherboard. I shall first of all use it with
> Cubase 5 and ProTools 8, when I get more time to test it out. Built it 3
> weeks ago and it have worked really nice in these weeks.
>
> Erling
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:49f899bb@linux...
>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Det ails.asp?EdpNo=4642574
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Have you tested problematic vst plugins with Chainer in Paris? I seems to
remember most of the VST plugin-problems disappeared for me when using
Chainer and not Paris to open them.
Erling
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:49f8f634$1@linux...
>
> fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level of my
> C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered
> plugins
> 3. non powered wrapped plugs.
> I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
> Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper.
> Folder
> 3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst
> world....usually
> the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything
> seems
> to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
> on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
> Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my number
> dude.
> Rod
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>>config
>
>>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I went
>
>>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
>
>>things.
>>
>>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>>accompanies
>
>>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if that's
>
>>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>>
>>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>>nicely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>
>>> Living dangerously
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>
>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>
>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>> Paris
>
>>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But
> I
>>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>>> stereo
>
>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
> your
>>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
> and
>>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>
>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing nice
>
>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>
>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but both
>
>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
> that
>>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried yesterday
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
> I
>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>> wrapper
>
>>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>> logical,
>
>>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
> an
>>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
> up
>>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
> its
>>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>> allways
>
>>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that
> can
>>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find
> the
>>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>
>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>> this
>
>>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>
>>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy
>>>>>>>> with
>
>>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>>> plugins.
>
>>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
> in
>>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
> the
>>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it
>>>>>>>> with
>
>>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>> workes,
>
>>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
> the
>>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you want
>
>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
> (my
>>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4 Chainer,
>
>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>
>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>> DirectX
>
>>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to DX,
>
>>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
> can
>>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>
>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the way
>
>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or just
>
>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>
>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>copy
>
>>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in person
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in
> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>find
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there, as
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>>years
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX plugs
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide,
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is wonky
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or Skype
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these goodies
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>M3A have an AMD 770 / SB600 chipset.
I believe Mike Audet's new drivers are "eating" nearly every chipset-things
nowadays. I have used plenty of different motherboards(20-30) with different
chipsets and graphiccards, with 2 different singlecard Paris-system, the
last ten years and for the most it was just to find new Disk i/o sizes and
disk cache size allocations to get them to work well. Can't remember any
motherboard that didn't worked with Paris. Maybe I have been lucky or is
beieng too old to remember well enough;-)
The new quad machine here have NVIDIA GeForce 8300 chipset and the one
you're looking for seems to have GeForce 8200. There can't be so much
different on these 2 chipsets in quality. Both have build in GPU, so I
believe it's a better idea to use a graphic card and not to use the build in
GPU in the motherboard when used for recordings, if you're buying it.
Erling
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> skrev i en meddelelse
news:49f9372a@linux...
>I have an SBS 7 slot I bought years ago, fired up once and never put into
>action with Paris. I have 4 EDS cards just itching to live together. I've
>got spare drives just laying around waiting to be used. I know I'll have to
>yank down the amount of RAM to an XP happy number. More of what I'm looking
>for is if anyone is using this chipset with success. This rig I posted is
>blowing out at $299... hard to pass up if it will work to replace the ole'
>stable XP1900+ system.
>
> What chipset is on your M3A brotha?
>
> AA
>
>
> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f8e5c4@linux...
>>I have a Phenom X4 2.6 Ghz with an Asus M3A 3 pci slots motherboard for
>>Paris in Norway. It's working wonderful with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>> If it's enough with 2 pci slots, I think it will be a good machine for
>> Paris. But Win 32bit systems will only see 3GB RAM of the 8 and you need
>> one more harddisk if you want to use it more safely for recordings.
>> If you also want to use it for Cubase etc., it could be a better idea to
>> think of the new AMD Phenom II X4 processor.
>> I'm writing this right now on a Phenom II X4 3Ghz overclocked 10% to 3.3
>> Ghz with an Asus M3N78 Pro motherboard. I shall first of all use it with
>> Cubase 5 and ProTools 8, when I get more time to test it out. Built it 3
>> weeks ago and it have worked really nice in these weeks.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:49f899bb@linux...
>>> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Det ails.asp?EdpNo=4642574
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>As I mentioned this problem only shows up when I enable DirectX in
Paris...once disabled all is well
"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f957f5@linux...
> Have you tested problematic vst plugins with Chainer in Paris? I seems to
> remember most of the VST plugin-problems disappeared for me when using
> Chainer and not Paris to open them.
>
> Erling
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:49f8f634$1@linux...
>>
>> fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level of my
>> C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered
>> plugins
>> 3. non powered wrapped plugs.
>> I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
>> Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper.
>> Folder
>> 3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst
>> world....usually
>> the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything
>> seems
>> to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
>> on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
>> Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my
>> number
>> dude.
>> Rod
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>>>config
>>
>>>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I
>>>went
>>
>>>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
>>
>>>things.
>>>
>>>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>>>accompanies
>>
>>>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if that's
>>
>>>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>>>
>>>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>>>nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>>
>>>> Living dangerously
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>>
>>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>>
>>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't like
>>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>>> Paris
>>
>>>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But
>> I
>>>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>>>> stereo
>>
>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>> your
>>>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>> and
>>>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the trick
>>
>>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing
>>>>>>>> nice
>>
>>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency, i.e.
>>
>>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but
>>>>>>>> both
>>
>>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>> that
>>>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
>> I
>>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>>> wrapper
>>
>>>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>>> logical,
>>
>>>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
>> an
>>>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
>> up
>>>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
>> its
>>>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>>> allways
>>
>>>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that
>> can
>>>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find
>> the
>>>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could open
>>
>>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>>> this
>>
>>>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>
>>>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy
>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>>>> plugins.
>>
>>>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
>> in
>>>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>> the
>>>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it
>>>>>>>>> with
>>
>>>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>>> workes,
>>
>>>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>> the
>>>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you
>>>>>>>>>> want
>>
>>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>> (my
>>>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4
>>>>>>>>>>> Chainer,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>> DirectX
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to
>>>>>>>>>>> DX,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the
>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or
>>>>>>>>>>>>just
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed into
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>>copy
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work in
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>find
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then you
>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there, as
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>years
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugs
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonky
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goodies
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>Good to hear Don, that it's now working well for you.
Sorry, if it wasn't clear enough but my question was to Rod, about his
problematic VST plugins, if he had tried them with Chainer in Paris.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:49f97c66@linux...
> As I mentioned this problem only shows up when I enable DirectX in
> Paris...once disabled all is well
>
>
> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f957f5@linux...
>> Have you tested problematic vst plugins with Chainer in Paris? I seems to
>> remember most of the VST plugin-problems disappeared for me when using
>> Chainer and not Paris to open them.
>>
>> Erling
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>> news:49f8f634$1@linux...
>>>
>>> fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level of
>>> my
>>> C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered
>>> plugins
>>> 3. non powered wrapped plugs.
>>> I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
>>> Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper.
>>> Folder
>>> 3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst
>>> world....usually
>>> the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything
>>> seems
>>> to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
>>> on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
>>> Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my
>>> number
>>> dude.
>>> Rod
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>>>>config
>>>
>>>>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so I
>>>>went
>>>
>>>>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care of
>>>
>>>>things.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>>>>accompanies
>>>
>>>>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if
>>>>that's
>>>
>>>>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>>>>
>>>>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>>>>nicely.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>>>
>>>>> Living dangerously
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box you
>>>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up. But
>>> I
>>>>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>>>>> stereo
>>>
>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish and
>>> your
>>>>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both mono
>>> and
>>>>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the
>>>>>>>>> trick
>>>
>>>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing
>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>
>>>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency,
>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but
>>>>>>>>> both
>>>
>>>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>> that
>>>>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>>>> wrapper
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>>>> logical,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
>>> up
>>>>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
>>> its
>>>>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>>>> allways
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer that
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to find
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could
>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here - I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>>>>> plugins.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about it
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>>>> workes,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified in
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you
>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this most
>>> (my
>>>>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chainer,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> DirectX
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST to
>>>>>>>>>>>> DX,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe it
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the
>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>just
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>copy
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>&g
gt;>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugs
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide,
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonky
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get this
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goodies
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital) do I
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Hey Don - Do you mind saying what your low-ball bid was?
Gantt
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>I have a pair of RS-1s and Mr. Massenburg is absolutely correct.
>
>In my journey to reach the holy grail of headphones I tried out AKG, Sony,
>Sennheiser and Beyer top end headphones (sorry, I forget which models) and
I
>would have gladly bought any one of them at the time for reference listening
>purposes but I jokingly put a lowball bid on these Grado's (on EBay) and
>damn if I didn't win them.
>
>Sometimes the cosmic comedian plays nice with you.
>
>Don
>
>
>
>"John Macy" <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>news:49f7a55d$1@linux...
>>
>> Grados--my faves for years...George Massenburg says you gan hear the grass
>> grow in them....
>>
>>
>>
>> "Rich S." <studiodog_99@xxahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>HD280's or K240's - I have both, K240 I like better if isolation is not
>> an
>>>issue - the HD280's have pretty good isolation. Either one work for
>>>you.
>>>"Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Greetings, PARISians,
>>>>
>>>>Still here after many a year but I've definitely been out of the loop.
>> (Fairly
>>>>frequent lurking, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>>>
>>>>Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof studio
>>>and
>>>>control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my
>>>>basement,
>>>>but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.)
>>>>Anyway,
>>>>after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and
>>>>running
>>>>again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project started
>>>>a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do
most
>>>>mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions via
>>>my
>>>>near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>>>
>>>>Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective)
>>>>headphones?
>>>>(What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support local
>> businesses
>>>>and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully
>>>>nothing
>>>>too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>>>
>>>>Many thanks in advance,
>>>>Larry Hogan
>>>
>>
>
>Hmmm. I seem to have changed my name. TAKE THAT GOOGLE!
Find me now.
"Ganatt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Don - Do you mind saying what your low-ball bid was?
>
>Gantt
>Heya Kim, and nice to see you safely back! Shortly after the NG came back
something changed and the forum stopped syncing with the NG; might just be
that Port 119 inadvertently got closed. If you can drop me a note with a
working email address, we'll get it figured out.
- KHi guys and gals,
Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe by
the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig stand
alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable modem,
run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs flawlessly.
P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia and a
400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
..
MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we prefer
WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so I
have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP with
SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP Paris
rig?
Thanks,
WayneHI Aaron,
As long as your Magma works this could be a winner.
The Nvida 7000 series boards didn't seem to like PCI or PCI-e expansion chassis's but otherwise worked great.
I would get a better power supply but other looks great.
This should be more than enough for a Paris machine otherwise.
Pretty slow at this point for a native audio system.
Take out the 2 extra sticks of ram. They will not be used by windows and will probably cause some hardware compatibility issues.
This would make a very nice Vista 64 based office/internet system.
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com chrisl@adkproaudio.comNo...I haven't gottn around to trying that yet...thanks, I'll have to do that.
:-)
Rod
"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote:
>Good to hear Don, that it's now working well for you.
>Sorry, if it wasn't clear enough but my question was to Rod, about his
>problematic VST plugins, if he had tried them with Chainer in Paris.
>
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:49f97c66@linux...
>> As I mentioned this problem only shows up when I enable DirectX in
>> Paris...once disabled all is well
>>
>>
>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message news:49f957f5@linux...
>>> Have you tested problematic vst plugins with Chainer in Paris? I seems
to
>>> remember most of the VST plugin-problems disappeared for me when using
>>> Chainer and not Paris to open them.
>>>
>>> Erling
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>> news:49f8f634$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> fwiw, I use vst with no problems. I have a folder on the root level
of
>>>> my
>>>> C drive. inside that, I have 3 folders, named 1. VST plugs, 2. Powered
>>>> plugins
>>>> 3. non powered wrapped plugs.
>>>> I point the vst path in Paris to the folder 1.(vst plugs)
>>>> Folder 2. is the UAD Plugs, which get wrapped by the fxpansion wrapper.
>>>> Folder
>>>> 3 contains vst plugs that are problematic to paris, in vst
>>>> world....usually
>>>> the newer ones are. I wrap folder 3 seperetly from folder 2. everything
>>>> seems
>>>> to work pretty well....except sometimes I get unhandled exception errors
>>>> on starting or quiting a ppj that contains UAD plugs.
>>>> Hope that helps..if you need more personal assistance...you have my
>>>> number
>>>> dude.
>>>> Rod
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>For whatever reason enabling DX and removing the VST folder is Paris
>>>>>config
>>>>
>>>>>turns my Paris start up into a nightmare of pop up error windows so
I
>>>>>went
>>>>
>>>>>back to disabling DX and pointing Paris to my VST folder to take care
of
>>>>
>>>>>things.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not really happy with that ugly tan coloured interface that
>>>>>accompanies
>>>>
>>>>>each plugin as it eats up a lot of landscape on my monitors but if
>>>>>that's
>>>>
>>>>>the price I have to pay so be it...I'll get used to it in time.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm also using Faderworks in slot one and so far it's doing the job
>>>>>nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49f5e059$1@linux...
>>>>>> Thanks guys...gonna give it a go this afternoon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Living dangerously
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:49f5cff2@linux...
>>>>>>> Hey Don,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad to hear things are coming together for you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you open the native plugins list there's a little stereo box
you
>>>>>>> can check in the lower left hand corner. It chooses the
>>>>>>> track to the right as the right channel. Sometimes Paris doesn't
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> using paris mono effects with stereo natives though. It's helpful
>>>>>>> to have the audio on the stereo tracks be exactly the same length
>>>>>>> and with no edits. Sometimes it doesn't matter regarding the edits.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:49f59491$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> So now the dumb question
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How does one use stereo plugins in Paris or is it possible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:49f56be2@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Yes, it's both mono and stereo. In stereo, if I remember correct,
>>>>>>>>> Paris
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> must use channels 1-2, 3-4 and up as pair, not 2-3, 4-5 and up.
But
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> believe that's the way Paris allways have worked with plugins in
>>>>>>>>> stereo
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good to hear your system now is stable and working as you wish
and
>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> wife didn't need to call an ambulance yesterday;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>> news:49f4efc0@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> That Xlutop chainer looks pretty impressive...does it do both
mono
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> stereo plugs because the FFX4 is either mono or stereo.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also tried Dimitrios' Avcon Digital and it seemed to do the
>>>>>>>>>> trick
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (at first glance) and I'll be looking at it again this evening.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bottom line is I have a stable setup, all the plugs are playing
>>>>>>>>>> nice
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with each other and I even have two ways to deal with latency,
>>>>>>>>>> i.e.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Faderworks and Sample slide - both have their pros and cons but
>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will be used.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all who called and submitted replies. You helped remove
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> insane look in my eyes which had my wife seriously worried
>>>>>>>>>> yesterday
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hehehe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4dc55@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, it seems to be different ways to do this. I just know that
>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> have never disabled DirectX in Paris when using FXpansion 3.3
>>>>>>>>>>> wrapper
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in combination with "Xlutop Chainer". For me, it seems real
>>>>>>>>>>> logical,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> since FXpansion VST-DX Adapter/Wrapper is a DX plugin, that need
>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> opn DX line to be used - and Chainer is a VST host that can show
>>>> up
>>>>>>>>>>> VST plugins with the help of FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>>> The thing I remember making problems for me, was when Paris used
>>>> its
>>>>>>>>>>> own VSTfolder in combination with FX and Chainer. Therefore I
>>>>>>>>>>> allways
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> have VST folder in Paris.cfg disabled, so it is only Chainer
that
>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> find the VST plugin folder in Steinberg and FXpansion 3.3 to
find
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Chainer.exe folder, that knows where the VST plugins are.
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't use FFX4 at all because I know "Xlutop Chainer" could
>>>>>>>>>>> open
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> much more VST plugins on each Paris-channel for me. I have used
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> combination since Dimitros talked about "Xlutop Chainer" here
- I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> believe it must be 6-7 years now - and I have been really happy
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that "FXpansion 3.3-Xlutop Chainer"combination to use my VST
>>>>>>>>>>> plugins.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also know it's working well with Paris and my AMD Quad computer
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Norway, with Mike Audet's new drivers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know we have written about wrapper combinations here up against
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> years, so if the archives are doing well and going back to the
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of this century, it could be found something about
it
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> some searching.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But as said, it seems to be different ways to do this. If it
>>>>>>>>>>> workes,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it workes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4c405$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> THe way I remember it is a little different:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Disable Directx
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Put your wrapper and Faderworks in the VST folder identified
in
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> paris.cfg file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fire up Paris. You should be able to see the wrapper and
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fadersworks as native plugs. Load any dx/other vst plugs you
>>>>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the wrapper. Set your delays in Faderworks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I remember, TOm Bruhl is the one acutally utilizing this
most
>>>> (my
>>>>>>>>>>>> rig is put away right now), so you might ping him specifically.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> JH
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Erling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don, are we talking about the same type of Chainer? FFX4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chainer,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't it Vince Burel's VST to DX wrapper?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about this Chainer:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.xlutop.com/html/chainer.html in combination with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FXpansion 3.3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Be sure there isn't any VST folder opened in Paris config file,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's just the Chainer who shall know that folder. I believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DirectX
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be enabled. You see FXpansion or FFX4 are making VST
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DX,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so I believe Paris should have DirectX enabled so the wrappers
>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>> find Paris as a DX user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I havn't used Faderworks but if it's a VSTplugin, I believe
it
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shall be in the VST folder so Chainer can find and use it the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:49f4ab69@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Right now the UAD plugs are in my Steinberg VST plugin folder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DirectX is disabled in Paris
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FXpansion wrapper is pointed to that folder and finds the UAD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugins no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now do I install FFX4 chainer in the steinberg VST folder or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>install it where it want's to go and copy over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and if I want to use Faderworks, does it also get installed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that folder or do I just install it where it want's to go and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>copy
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>over the DLLs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance to any human who'd care to talk to me in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Erling" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f4a73e@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don, I am in Denmark right now, without my Paris system but
I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>think I remember how to setup FXpansion and Chainer to work
in
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good way. Don't use any Paris VST folder, just let FXpansion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>find
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Chainer and Chainer to find Steinberg/Cubase VST map. Then
you
>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>open Chainer in Paris VST/DX and use your VST plugins there,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>far as I remember. I used my UAD card this way in Paris some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>years
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:49f478da@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Need advice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I've instlled my two UAD cards and a few other VST and DX
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>plugs
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my Paris rig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I also installed the FXpansion wrapper, Faderworks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sampleslide,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>FFX4 Chainer and Avcon Digital's Chainer but something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wonky
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in my setup and it's probably my fault but I need to get
this
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sorted out soon. I have since uninstalled everything except
>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>UAD cards and am back to square one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>a blank canvass so to speak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it's possible and convenient a phone call or skype chat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be great and if you're up for it email me your phone # or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Skype
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ID and I'll get back to you pronto
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>What I NEED to know is where do I install the all these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>goodies
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on my computer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use the wrapper Dimitrios suggested (Avcon Digital)
do I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need the Fxpansion wrapper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I use FFX4Chainer why are some of my DX plugs not showing
>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thanks in advance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>$500 USD if I rememebr correctly...came in at a little under $750 CDN after
shipping and taxes...which was $400 below the best price I could find in
Canada at the time
Don
"Ganatt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:49f9a2e2$1@linux...
>
> Hey Don - Do you mind saying what your low-ball bid was?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>I have a pair of RS-1s and Mr. Massenburg is absolutely correct.
>>
>>In my journey to reach the holy grail of headphones I tried out AKG, Sony,
>
>>Sennheiser and Beyer top end headphones (sorry, I forget which models) and
> I
>>would have gladly bought any one of them at the time for reference
>>listening
>
>>purposes but I jokingly put a lowball bid on these Grado's (on EBay) and
>
>>damn if I didn't win them.
>>
>>Sometimes the cosmic comedian plays nice with you.
>>
>>Don
>>
>>
>>
>>"John Macy" <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>>news:49f7a55d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Grados--my faves for years...George Massenburg says you gan hear the
>>> grass
>>> grow in them....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Rich S." <studiodog_99@xxahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>HD280's or K240's - I have both, K240 I like better if isolation is not
>>> an
>>>>issue - the HD280's have pretty good isolation. Either one work for
>
>>>>you.
>>>>"Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Greetings, PARISians,
>>>>>
>>>>>Still here after many a year but I've definitely been out of the loop.
>>> (Fairly
>>>>>frequent lurking, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>>>>
>>>>>Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof studio
>>>>and
>>>>>control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my
>>>>>basement,
>>>>>but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.)
>
>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and
>
>>>>>running
>>>>>again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project
>>>>>started
>>>>>a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do
> most
>>>>>mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions via
>>>>my
>>>>>near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective)
>>>>>headphones?
>>>>>(What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support local
>>> businesses
>>>>>and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully
>>>>>nothing
>>>>>too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>>>>
>>>>>Many thanks in advance,
>>>>>Larry Hogan
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Some serious change there Don. I know I got the Sennheiser HD650s for
around $250 and am overjoyed with both their comfort and sound. Maybe
not the same level that you're getting though? I have some mid priced
Grados that are not comfortable and sound strident. The Senns I can mix on
confidently and do so bouncing between other monitors.
Tom
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49fa1e68@linux...
> $500 USD if I rememebr correctly...came in at a little under $750 CDN
> after shipping and taxes...which was $400 below the best price I could
> find in Canada at the time
>
> Don
>
> "Ganatt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:49f9a2e2$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey Don - Do you mind saying what your low-ball bid was?
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>I have a pair of RS-1s and Mr. Massenburg is absolutely correct.
>>>
>>>In my journey to reach the holy grail of headphones I tried out AKG,
>>>Sony,
>>
>>>Sennheiser and Beyer top end headphones (sorry, I forget which models)
>>>and
>> I
>>>would have gladly bought any one of them at the time for reference
>>>listening
>>
>>>purposes but I jokingly put a lowball bid on these Grado's (on EBay) and
>>
>>>damn if I didn't win them.
>>>
>>>Sometimes the cosmic comedian plays nice with you.
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"John Macy" <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>>>news:49f7a55d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Grados--my faves for years...George Massenburg says you gan hear the
>>>> grass
>>>> grow in them....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Rich S." <studiodog_99@xxahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>HD280's or K240's - I have both, K240 I like better if isolation is not
>>>> an
>>>>>issue - the HD280's have pretty good isolation. Either one work for
>>
>>>>>you.
>>>>>"Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Greetings, PARISians,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Still here after many a year but I've definitely been out of the loop.
>>>> (Fairly
>>>>>>frequent lurking, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof
>>>>>>studio
>>>>>and
>>>>>>control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my
>>>>>>basement,
>>>>>>but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.)
>>
>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and
>>
>>>>>>running
>>>>>>again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project
>>>>>>started
>>>>>>a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do
>> most
>>>>>>mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions
>>>>>>via
>>>>>my
>>>>>>near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective)
>>>>>>headphones?
>>>>>>(What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support local
>>>> businesses
>>>>>>and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully
>>>>>>nothing
>>>>>>too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Many thanks in advance,
>>>>>>Larry Hogan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>IMHO IE 7 and IE 8 both are unstable, and I don't like either. Pages don't
load right, or at all, sometimes on multiple machines. I admin 150-ish
computers and 5 servers, plus my 6 home boxes that are on a lot (I have over
10, but not always running). I'll not be putting IE8 on the work machines
just yet, except my desktop - it gets the 'test' work done on it before I
subject users to it.
However, the recommendations I've given in the past about staying off XP SP3
has more to do with hogging RAM than anything else.
"WCarson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message news:49f9dbb2@linux...
> Hi guys and gals,
>
> Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
> by the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig
> stand alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable
> modem, run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs
> flawlessly. P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2
> EDS, Nvidia and a 400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
> .
> MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we
> prefer WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid
> SP3 so I have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone
> running XP with SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems
> with their XP Paris rig?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>crap... item no longer available.The first recommendation is to get rid of Norton in a fast major way.
You think Paris runs well now, wait till you remove Norton.
> Hi guys and gals,
>
> Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe by
> the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig stand
> alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable modem,
> run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs flawlessly.
> P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia and a
> 400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
> .
>
> MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we prefer
> WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so I
> have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP with
> SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP Paris
> rig?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>
>I just like 'em cuz they're comfy, and nice to listen to real loud. :) But
I never mix on headphones, either. I like 'em just for tracking and
diagnosing.
S
"Martin Harrington" <martin@lendanear-sound.com> wrote in message
news:C61CFBA1.972D%martin@lendanear-sound.com...
> That's because they have an extremely false bottom end.
> As a location recordist / mixer, I, and indeed most of the location
> industry
> use the Sony's, but mainly so we can hear the rumble of a boom mic on the
> end of a pole, or traffic / Aircon noise.
>
> Martin H
> Lend An Ear Sound
> On 28/04/09 7:30 AM, in article 49f629c1@linux, "Wayne Carson"
> <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I use Sony MDR-7506 and MDR-V6. They sound almost identical and each run
>> about $100 bucks. I like the way they sound but haven't had great luck
>> mixing with them.
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> "Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
>> news:49f5fa71$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Greetings, PARISians,
>>>
>>> Still here after many a year but I've definitely been out of the loop.
>>> (Fairly
>>> frequent lurking, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>>
>>> Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof studio
>>> and
>>> control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my
>>> basement,
>>> but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.)
>>> Anyway,
>>> after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and
>>> running
>>> again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project started
>>> a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do
>>> most
>>> mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions via
>>> my
>>> near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>>
>>> Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective)
>>> headphones?
>>> (What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support local
>>> businesses
>>> and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully
>>> nothing
>>> too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance,
>>> Larry Hogan
>>
>>
>
>
>Try Jan Stolpe
He was a huge Paris user in Nashville for years and moved to LA a few years
ago. He may still have a rig or be willing to meet.
Sandy
"kerryg" <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote in message news:49f4cdd4@linux...
> There aren't any on the PARIS map yet. But it certainly wouldn't surprise
> me to hear there were a few.
>
> http://www.frappr.com/parisusers.
>
>
> --------------------------
> :: [ posted via the PARISForums ] ::
> :: kerrygalloway.com/ParisForums/ ::
> --------------------------FWIW, McAfee is the new Norton. Avoid it. These days I'm running AVG free at
home and I've kicked McAfee to the curb at work and installed Kaspersky
after much testing. Way cooler app, protection rocked everything else into
the dirt and it is SO configurable it's crazy.
AA
"Martin Harrington" <martin@lendanear-sound.com> wrote in message
news:C620CF6A.9815%martin@lendanear-sound.com...
> The first recommendation is to get rid of Norton in a fast major way.
> You think Paris runs well now, wait till you remove Norton.
>
> Martin H
> Lend An Ear Sound
> On 1/05/09 2:46 AM, in article 49f9dbb2@linux, "WCarson"
> <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi guys and gals,
>>
>> Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
>> by
>> the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig
>> stand
>> alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable
>> modem,
>> run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs
>> flawlessly.
>> P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia
>> and a
>> 400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
>> .
>>
>> MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we
>> prefer
>> WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so I
>> have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP
>> with
>> SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP
>> Paris
>> rig?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>
>
>OK. I'll remain as is for now. My intention is to end up with a clean system
once I get my second home desktop to do all the other stuff. Thanks.
Wayne
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>FWIW, McAfee is the new Norton. Avoid it. These days I'm running AVG free
at
>home and I've kicked McAfee to the curb at work and installed Kaspersky
>after much testing. Way cooler app, protection rocked everything else into
>the dirt and it is SO configurable it's crazy.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Martin Harrington" <martin@lendanear-sound.com> wrote in message
>news:C620CF6A.9815%martin@lendanear-sound.com...
>> The first recommendation is to get rid of Norton in a fast major way.
>> You think Paris runs well now, wait till you remove Norton.
>>
>> Martin H
>> Lend An Ear Sound
>> On 1/05/09 2:46 AM, in article 49f9dbb2@linux, "WCarson"
>> <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys and gals,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
>>> by
>>> the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig
>>> stand
>>> alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable
>>> modem,
>>> run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs
>>> flawlessly.
>>> P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia
>>> and a
>>> 400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
>>> .
>>>
>>> MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we
>>> prefer
>>> WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3
so I
>>> have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP
>>> with
>>> SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP
>>> Paris
>>> rig?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Thanks Aaron!!
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:49f5f975@linux...
> Google hit something like this first shot out. I'm sure you'll find what
> you need by putting in similar search criteria.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=phone+recording+equipment& ;rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&start Index=&startPage=1
>
> http://www.hellodirect.com/phone-recording-equipment.shtml
>
> AA
>
> "lance" <lance.rocks@verizon.net> wrote in message news:49f5b9e3@linux...
>> Hey Folks, I had inquiry today about recording a phone interview - Greece
>> to US.
>>
>> My studio is set up primarily for recording music though I do quite a bit
>> of dialog recording and editing now.
>>
>> So, I'm looking into the best way to do this. I'm just starting to
>> interface with the client
>> and I want to do some research on my own before getting back to them.
>>
>> I checked out ISDN on Wiki and I guess I'm looking for more cut to the
>> quick advice.
>>
>> I'm wondering I using something like SKYPE recorded from soundcard to
>> PARIS etc is the way to go.
>>
>> Ideas and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lance
>
>Please please please do yourself a major favor and download the free version
of one of the following:
Virtual PC 2007
Virtual Box
VMWare
Set up a virtual machine for all the non music related tasks and you can
keep the base machine squeeky clean.
Chuck
"WCarson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>Hi guys and gals,
>
>Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
by
>the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig stand
>alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable modem,
>run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs flawlessly.
>P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia and
a
>400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
>.
>MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we prefer
>WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so
I
>have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP with
>SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP Paris
>rig?
>
>Thanks,
>Wayne
>
>Thanks Chuck, I'll look into this.
Wayne
"chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Please please please do yourself a major favor and download the free version
>of one of the following:
>
>Virtual PC 2007
>Virtual Box
>VMWare
>
>Set up a virtual machine for all the non music related tasks and you can
>keep the base machine squeeky clean.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>
>"WCarson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>Hi guys and gals,
>>
>>Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
>by
>>the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig stand
>
>>alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable modem,
>
>>run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs flawlessly.
>
>>P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia
and
>a
>>400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
>>.
>>MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we prefer
>
>>WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so
>I
>>have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP
with
>
>>SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP Paris
>
>>rig?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Wayne
>>
>>
>and get yourself some extra RAM. VPC's are addicting and they like memory.
AA
"WCarson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message news:49fc8888$1@linux...
>
> Thanks Chuck, I'll look into this.
> Wayne
>
> "chuck" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Please please please do yourself a major favor and download the free
>>version
>>of one of the following:
>>
>>Virtual PC 2007
>>Virtual Box
>>VMWare
>>
>>Set up a virtual machine for all the non music related tasks and you can
>>keep the base machine squeeky clean.
>>
>>Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>"WCarson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote:
>>>Hi guys and gals,
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, I still need my Paris rig as a multi-use computer. Maybe
>>by
>>>the end of the year I will be in a position to have a WinXP Paris rig
>>>stand
>>
>>>alone. So for now, I require to use the internet via external cable
>>>modem,
>>
>>>run Norton and quite a few other apps. My rig almost performs
>>>flawlessly.
>>
>>>P4 duo core, 1gig ram, two 80gig drives, two DVD drives, 2 EDS, Nvidia
> and
>>a
>>>400 or 500w PS (I forget) upgrade.
>>>.
>>>MS has just release WinXP IE 8 as a high priority update. I know we
>>>prefer
>>
>>>WinXP SP2 and IE7. Recommendations here have mentioned to avoid SP3 so
>>I
>>>have. By now the bugs may be worked out on SP3. Is anyone running XP
> with
>>
>>>SP3 and has anybody installed IE8 without any problems with their XP
>>>Paris
>>
>>>rig?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=___sG3AJaNc
anyone heard this dude in person?Those were the Sennheiser's I was looking at along with a pair of Sony, AKG
and Beyer...all outstanding headphones for the price...I just couldn't find
any (used) at the time.
Then I made the mistake of popping into a buddies place and got a chance to
check out his broken in set of Grado's RS-1s and I was sold on the sound. as
for comfort I'd give them an 7.5 - 8.0 out of 10
Don
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:49fa266f@linux...
> Some serious change there Don. I know I got the Sennheiser HD650s for
> around $250 and am overjoyed with both their comfort and sound. Maybe
> not the same level that you're getting though? I have some mid priced
> Grados that are not comfortable and sound strident. The Senns I can mix
> on
> confidently and do so bouncing between other monitors.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:49fa1e68@linux...
>> $500 USD if I rememebr correctly...came in at a little under $750 CDN
>> after shipping and taxes...which was $400 below the best price I could
>> find in Canada at the time
>>
>> Don
>>
>> "Ganatt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:49f9a2e2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey Don - Do you mind saying what your low-ball bid was?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>I have a pair of RS-1s and Mr. Massenburg is absolutely correct.
>>>>
>>>>In my journey to reach the holy grail of headphones I tried out AKG,
>>>>Sony,
>>>
>>>>Sennheiser and Beyer top end headphones (sorry, I forget which models)
>>>>and
>>> I
>>>>would have gladly bought any one of them at the time for reference
>>>>listening
>>>
>>>>purposes but I jokingly put a lowball bid on these Grado's (on EBay) and
>>>
>>>>damn if I didn't win them.
>>>>
>>>>Sometimes the cosmic comedian plays nice with you.
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"John Macy" <nospamjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:49f7a55d$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Grados--my faves for years...George Massenburg says you gan hear the
>>>>> grass
>>>>> grow in them....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rich S." <studiodog_99@xxahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>HD280's or K240's - I have both, K240 I like better if isolation is
>>>>>>not
>>>>> an
>>>>>>issue - the HD280's have pretty good isolation. Either one work for
>>>
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>>"Larry Hogan" <ooglybong@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Greetings, PARISians,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Still here after many a year but I've definitely been out of the
>>>>>>>loop.
>>>>> (Fairly
>>>>>>>frequent lurking, but too busy to contribute much. Sorry.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Two years ago, my wife and I moved. I had had a nice sound-proof
>>>>>>>studio
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>control room I had built back in the mid-90s, taking over 1/3 of my
>>>>>>>basement,
>>>>>>>but now I'll have to be rebuilding that. (My summer plan, hopefully.)
>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>after ripping apart my studio and PARIS rig, I now need to get up and
>>>
>>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>again in a temporary area in order to finally complete a project
>>>>>>>started
>>>>>>>a few years ago. My new home is such that I will probably need to do
>>> most
>>>>>>>mixing/editing via headphones (with occasional real-world auditions
>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>near fields, of course) until I rebuild the studio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any tips on some very good-to-great (yet hopefully cost effective)
>>>>>>>headphones?
>>>>>>>(What DO good phones go for?) I would like to be able to support
>>>>>>>local
>>>>> businesses
>>>>>>>and, of course, be able to audition the phones there, so hopefully
>>>>>>>nothing
>>>>>>>too esoteric. Can I get a really nice pair for, say, less than $200.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Many thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>Larry Hogan
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090503/D97UT3M00.htmlThe sad thing is that smaller radio stations may be forced out of business
paving the way for Clearchannel... This whole issue of performance royalties
is a killer. ASCAP already goes around to small businesses and extorts money
out of them if they play a radio where the public can hear it because it
constitutes a "public performance" and it's not a small piece of change either.
It can add up to several thousand dollars per year depending on the size
of your business, just for playing a radio.
I only bring this up because it the radio station has already theoretically
paid royalties on the music it broadcasts over the airwaves. It seems to
me that in this wonderful age of technology that collecting performance royalties
would be a snap. Radio stations have to keep a playlist right? ASCAP and
BMI have access to that information. They also keep track of their artists.
Seeing that artists get their performance royalties is supposed to be why
they exist.
It seems to me that when a known artist on a major label sees 25 or 50 cents
on the sale of a $15.99 CD it's easy to see where the problem lies.....
Yes, I know the store only pays $7 to $9, but CDs cost less than a dollar
to produce compared to $2 or $3 for vinyl.It seems to me that if the record
company advances the artist on their future royalties, then shouldn't they
also have some responsibility in seeing that royalties get paid?
If I were to put together an oldies compilation album, I'm required to pay
per piece mechanical royalties, usually to the Harry Fox agency or sometimes
to the publisher. A portion of these royalties is supposed to go to the artist....
I'm not really surprised that so many formerly popular songwriters end up
in poverty, and I'm not really surprised that these huge organizations that
have are supposed to be responsible to these artists fail so miserably. But
I am deeply saddened that the very people that make the music biz possible
are so undervalued. Get his address, I'll personally send him $10 or $20
even though I'm probably no better off than him...
MB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090503/D97UT3M00.htmlThe fact is "Louie Louie" was a "traditonal" Calypso song,that was then
re-written by Richard Berry,who got the "writer's credit"...Jack Ely was the
orignialsinger for the Kingsmen,they didn't even know the real lyrics,which
are written in "pidgen English"..
"Mike Bloomer" <tubeguru2006@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:49fe69df$1@linux...
>
> The sad thing is that smaller radio stations may be forced out of business
> paving the way for Clearchannel... This whole issue of performance
royalties
> is a killer. ASCAP already goes around to small businesses and extorts
money
> out of them if they play a radio where the public can hear it because it
> constitutes a "public performance" and it's not a small piece of change
either.
> It can add up to several thousand dollars per year depending on the size
> of your business, just for playing a radio.
> I only bring this up because it the radio station has already
theoretically
> paid royalties on the music it broadcasts over the airwaves. It seems to
> me that in this wonderful age of technology that collecting performance
royalties
> would be a snap. Radio stations have to keep a playlist right? ASCAP and
> BMI have access to that information. They also keep track of their
artists.
> Seeing that artists get their performance royalties is supposed to be why
> they exist.
> It seems to me that when a known artist on a major label sees 25 or 50
cents
> on the sale of a $15.99 CD it's easy to see where the problem lies.....
> Yes, I know the store only pays $7 to $9, but CDs cost less than a dollar
> to produce compared to $2 or $3 for vinyl.It seems to me that if the
record
> company advances the artist on their future royalties, then shouldn't they
> also have some responsibility in seeing that royalties get paid?
> If I were to put together an oldies compilation album, I'm required to pay
> per piece mechanical royalties, usually to the Harry Fox agency or
sometimes
> to the publisher. A portion of these royalties is supposed to go to the
artist....
> I'm not really surprised that so many formerly popular songwriters end up
> in poverty, and I'm not really surprised that these huge organizations
that
> have are supposed to be responsible to these artists fail so miserably.
But
> I am deeply saddened that the very people that make the music biz possible
> are so undervalued. Get his address, I'll personally send him $10 or $20
> even though I'm probably no better off than him...
> MB
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >http://apnews.excite.com/article/20090503/D97UT3M00.html
>Hey Double A, how are you? Hope all is well in Tulsa. I did a gig with Will
Downing in Panama City, Florida a couple of weeks ago...a festival with Will
D, Boney James, Wayman, etc. Wayman performed after us and I had a chance
to speak with him and mentioned that I knew you. his face lit up.
It's great to see him working and so vibrant despite things. Sorry for the
open email, but your email addy was bouncing back...likely my end.
TyroneHe's doing great isn't he? I tell you man... inspirational that dude.
AA
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4a00adef$1@linux...
>
> Hey Double A, how are you? Hope all is well in Tulsa. I did a gig with
> Will
> Downing in Panama City, Florida a couple of weeks ago...a festival with
> Will
> D, Boney James, Wayman, etc. Wayman performed after us and I had a chance
> to speak with him and mentioned that I knew you. his face lit up.
>
> It's great to see him working and so vibrant despite things. Sorry for the
> open email, but your email addy was bouncing back...likely my end.
>
> TyronePosts made to the forum in the absence of the sync apparently won't make it to the NG, but everything that was posted to the NG in the interim has now been sync'd across to the forum.
What was it, you ask? Some complicated tech issue?
Oh, nothing really. Just my hosting service suddenly decided to restrict access to all ports below 1024 (the NG is on 119), blocking access without letting anyone know.
Grrrrr. Anyway - they've (apologetically) "whitelisted" the port for me, and we now return to our regularly scheduled programming.
Carry on PARIS isn't dead over here.
I've been chipping away at the ASIO driver. I've mapped out hour it works, and I'm trying to get 24 bit audio to work. Right now, there is some kind of buffer issue that makes 24 bit audio come out badly distorted. I've asked a friend of mine to give me a hand with some math that is a bit beyond me so I can see about writing a filter to change the format of the samples at it pases though the driver (if that is what is needed).
I'm definitely on it. Plus, the school year is over in 6 weeks, and then I've got the summer to really get down to business with it.
All the best,
Mike Hey Mike - very interesting symptom - do you think it could be the same 24-bit "endian" issue that we've encountered with the 24-bit PAF translations? See this post for a screencap of the resulting waveform.
*via libsndfile *via libsndfile; 24-bit PAF from Mac PARIS not yet supported
Writes only:
Live CD Ripper (PC)
Audio Music Batch Converter (PC)
Like to see:
I'd like to see read/write PAF support in Melodyne myself.
Ableton Live
[edited to add: for me, the second two categories will be a priority - seeing them complete their support for PAF so they read *and* write PAF (where appropriate, ie a dedicated CD ripper doesn't need PAF import). After that, next priority is the fourth category, "apps we'd like to see PAF supported in"; obviously the focus is on speeding workflow between PARIS and apps that add new functionality- K]
PS: - we may never see the last category implemented, but it won't be because I didn't ask them for it Hello guys and gals,
The current XP paf/wav converter does 24 to 24 bit mono files and 16 or 24 bit stereo file conversions both ways. The older Win98 converter (if I remember correctly) also did 16 to 16 bit mono file conversions.
I tried the XP version on a 16 bit mono file conversion and got screaming noise. Is their an XP app that'll convert 16 bit mono wave to paf?
Thanks,
WayneHi Wayne - I just started this thread on PAF convertors over here:
Was the file that gave you noise a Mac-generated 24-bit PAF, by any chance?
If all you need is PAF/WAV conversion, you could always download Reaper on the 30-day trial ($50 after that) for the PAF conversion. Some of the other apps have trial periods too.
No. Plain ole PC 16 bit mono wave file from Calkwalk.Well folks, it looks like Wavelab 3.0 has a "save as" function on the file menu for Ensoniq Paris *.paf file. I never checked. Who would have thought?
Yeah, I use an old Wavelab version, mostly just for stereo files. All I use it for is to add or subtract a little gain (overall levels) so that the songs on a CD balance better. Everything else is done in Paris.
Since I'm out of town for a week, I won't be able to check the file out in Paris til then.
When I check the properties on the 16 bit mono wave file it shows 16 bit, 44K, mono, PCM.
When I check the properties on the 16 bit mono paf file the page is blank.
The paf file size is very close to the wave file size. This is normal. Paf files are usually just a little bit bigger.
Anyhow, I though I just let you folks know.
WayneI second you on Melodyne...
MBSo if he didn't know the real words and made them up wouldn't that be considered authorship? I realize that Berry is listed as the author and Ely probably doesn't want to sue him ...
MBAbleton Live wouldn't suck either.Reads: Snapper by Audio EaseAdded - thanks! That looks like a great app.Here I am.Very nice to see you, Brian! Welcome to the forums! I'll send you a PM...Can't seem to raise the newsgroup again...Hi folks. You may have noticed some Disruptions In The Force here on the forums lately; I've just completed an upgrade to FUDForum 2.8.1 RC1 in the hopes that some of the new tools might have helped track down a couple of nagging issues (which they did).
There are some new features to tell you about.
First up is the Bookmarks feature. You can now create a library of bookmarks to NG topics you want to keep track of - tips, tricks, how-tos, configuration or mobo info, or whatever else you'd like. Note that this is in addition to the "subscription" feature where you receive notifications of threads you have posted or otherwise "subscribed" to. Just click the "Bookmark topic" text at the top of a thread and it'll be added to your list of bookmarks; to look at your bookmarks, find the Bookmarks tab in your Control Panel.
Next up is the ability to minimize or maximize posts in the message view - just click on the sign to the left of the post's title to toggle its minimized/maximized status.
The other changes are under the hood, but significant. Support has been introduced for plugins so the system can be extended by users; a database management function has been added that will make things much easier, bugs have been squashed, code has been streamlined - it's all good stuff. If you're interested in that sort of thing there's some more info here.
Two things in closing:
1) I don't know what's up with the NG at the moment - here's hoping this will be a brief absence, and
2) my most profound apologies for the garbled, incoherent state of some of the archived posts. The most efficient way to fix this is to wait until the NG comes back up for long enough to do a resync. Thanks for your indulgence in bearing with the mess until then.bump sorry if these are dumb questions.
But does anyone have paris running on sata HD's?I have SATA on my PARIS comp and it seems fine; haven't torture tested it yet though. Common sense would say it would be great, but actual usage doesn't always bear out common sense, so I'm wondering the same thing.
As far as word clock, that's new ground for me with PARIS. You clock the MECs rather than the EDS, so it goes by numbers of MECs you have - I believe with three or more, you need an external word clock and with less than three you don't.
My new rig has nothing but SATA drives and so far all is stable
Hope that helpsOr is it just me?
ganttmann1 wrote on Sat, 09 May 2009 11:35
Can't seem to raise the newsgroup again...
Nah, I haven't been able to raise if from here and my sync script can't see it either.For all you folks looking for the ribbon cables for a multicard set up, I have found the place. POLOLU ROBOTICS in Las Vegas, Nv. I perform in Vegas several times a month, so I stopped by there location, and they had the 16 strand in stock for only $3.00. They also sell online, and have a great web site, although when I just checked, cabling is sort of hard to find, but it's in there. Hope this helps someone out there, John Houston You can get them from POLOLU ROBOTICS, in Las Vegas Nv. They have a great website, but the cables take a bit of searching to find. I purchased a 16 pin for $3.00, and they had it in stock. Later!Does 3.0 render in 24 bit WAV files? Second, where can I get 3.0, and what about the PACE dilema? I'm still running an old G4 Mac, but I think if I found the right PC, and could get a working 3.0, I would jump ship, so I could take advantage of all the cool new things from Mike Audit. Thanx. ps. sorry about the May 5th rant, my wife says I can't drink and type ever again!Wicked, John, that's going to come in handy. Thanks for letting us know!
- KerryHehehehe, I liked the rant, I got what you were saying. Some stuff just doesn't really need a whole lot of "improving on" - I have a Hammond M3 here I'm going to be fixing up someday soon.
3.0 definitely bounces in 24 bit, not so sure about rendering but I assume yes.
You can download Paris 3.0 (and earlier) directly from the EMU link and then you get a 7-day grace period to authorize it before it expires. The last I heard, ID sets one day a week aside to process authorizations, so you probably want to time it strategically - ie grab it and request your serial from ID on a Sunday evening so they get the request Monday AM, thus in time for whichever day they do it. PACE wasn't much of a dilemma for me on Mac, it just tended to work.
And yeah - PC is where the PARIS action's going to be, going forward - and I say that as a former die-hard Mac OS9 PARIS user myself.
- KThanx for your help Kerry. I was glad to see that Brian T turned up as well, kind of makes a guy feel warm and fuzzy inside! LaterOh, by the way, I got my first Hammond, an M3, in 1978. I loved it and used it for years. Iv'e also had the B3, the Porta B, and currently still have the C2, w/ TrekII percussion, a BC (very cool) a 21H Leslie, an 825 Leslie, a Cordovox Leslie powered by Sovtek Mig 100 amp and Electrovoice Speaker, and a Hammond XK3, for my over the road ERIC DODGE gig. I love this stuff, and the M3 is one of my favorites. Adding FOLDBACK I would guess? Anyway have fun, cause they're AWESOME. JohnAnother question for the PC users. Is there going to be a Vista version available some day or are any of you now using Vista successfully? Thanx, JohnAs many of you know, when I'm not a big rock star, I work full time as an RN. I've been doing some research on bacteriophage viruses as natural antibiotics, and putting together a Powerpoint to share with my peers.
The presentation contains a number of video clips, and last fall I decided things might run a little smoother if I replaced my ancient Diamond Viper graphics card with a new one, so I did (Nvidia GeForce 7600), and the movie clips actually got worse, kind of twitchy and stuttery.
I replaced the monitor. I beefed the RAM up to 1.5 GB. No change in the movie clip performance.
At the suggestion of a programmer friend, I recently reformatted and reinstalled XP, which all went without a hitch, except now the movie clip problem has gone from bad to crazy weird worse:
First of all, the clips are no longer in color, though there's a hint of color, as though the saturation is turned way down. But worse of all, when Powerpoint gets to a movie clip one of two things happens: I get the "Windows had encountered a problem, etc . . . " and shuts the program down, or worst of all, the movie clip starts to play and the whole computer shuts off and reboots! What the . . . !? This also happens, by the way, playing the clips in Windows Media Player.
Everything else is running just fine. The entire system has been scanned for viruses, etc., and come up clean.
Computer is AMD Athlon XP 1700+, 1.47 GHz. running XP Professional, v.2002, Service Pack 3, if that's of any help.
This has nothing to do with PARIS or music, of course. Well, except that as soon as I solve this annoying issue, I can get back to focusing on the long awaited, eagerly anticipated second Sarahtonin CD.
Maybe I just need a new computer?
Thanks in advance,
SarahI'm not a PC wiz (I was a Mac wiz once), but my first instinct is that you have a corrupted video segment - can you swap out the clip(s) in your presentation and let us know what happens?
Can you open the video clip in a video conversion program and render it to a different format, re-save it and re-import it?
[Interesting that you're working on phages; I just finished reading Greg Bear's great sci-fi books "Darwin's Radio" and "Darwin's Children", which touch on phage therapy in the mountains of Georgia as "plot thickeners" - dunno if you like sci-fi but this is amongst the "best of breed", very thought provoking.]dead here too...i even tried different glasses...no help.John, the guy who could answer this more definitively is Mike Audet. This thread here has one possible answer:
At the moment, I think a lot of folks are just breathing a sigh of relief that it finally works properly on XP Hey TC--I would love to chat with you about your interfacing your HD rig into Paris...can you email a number to me? john(AT)macysoundstudios dot com
Thanks!I had tried many different movie clips, all with the same result, in Powerpoint and Media Player.
I had tried different formats as well, except for .avi. Amazingly, .avi worked in the Powerpoint, repeatedly and in full color. So I will convert the other clips to .avi and hope for the best.
There is still some weird generalized video problem, though, because the same .avi file loses it's color information in Media Player, as does every other video I play there. I even played an old movie clip I've played for years without problem and the computer rebooted right in the middle of it. Weird.
Re: Greg Bear stories . . . when you say "mountains of Georgia," are you talking about the USA, or the former USSR? Because the latter contains the oldest continuous researchers in phage therapy, the Eliava Institute. http://www.eliava-ibmv.caucasus.net/ They've been at it since the early '20s. and curing infections with success rates in the 80-90% range long before antibiotics were discovered.
Sinclair Lewis wrote a novel about an MD using phages to cure plague, Arrowsmith, in 1925 or so, which won him a (refused)Pulitzer, and was made into an Acadamy Award nominated film in the early '30s.
So this is not new stuff. It was actually discovered over a hundred years ago, but our pharmaceutical establishment is too greedy and backward to pay it any mind, even though it may be our only hope for stopping epidemics of resistant bacteria.
Oops . . . now I'm REEAALY off topic. That'll teach ya.
SHey Sarah - Can you save your entire PP presentation to a disk and try playing on another computer, known to behave well with Power Point? Might be a good trouble-shooting step.One more troubleshooting step that's a bit more... trouble... is - do you have another video card kicking about, no matter how antiquated, that you could swap in and test to see if the symptoms persist?Hi all,
This is my first time posting to this site, which I just found. Looks great.
I have used Paris since 1998, and Paris Pro since 2001. I use it on a PC w/ Windows 98 and it has ALWAYS worked exceptionally well.
I just finished mixing my new cd (a double!) and was messing around with some remixes, when POP, the whole computer just powered down.
I restarted it (several times) and when I tried opening up Paris I got the "Unhandled Exception 000005: address" with a file name.
I went online and saw a fix, which had me de-install Paris, which I did. Of course, when I went to re-install it, I realized that I hadn't seen the disc in years.
My question is - what next? Is there a place I can find another copy of Paris Pro? Or should I move over to the ProTools world?
I've considered that, but really LOVE Paris and know it like the back of my hand.
Appreciate your input.
Tom
www.MamboSons.comHey Tom! Glad you found us, and welcome!
You should be able to download Paris 3.0 direct from EMU's site and be back up and running in minutes - see this thread for more info on timing your authorization. Check out the various notes at the Wiki about that particular unhandled exception, there are several entries.
Nice collection! Yeah, I've heard great things about the M3. Mine's "motorboating", making a chopped-up sound like insanely heavy vibrato - I've been advised by our local Hammond wiz to try "zapping" it with a 9v battery to fry off the dendrites, ever tried that? If that doesn't work, it may effectively be a write-off. But if it does, I'm going to see what other sorts of trouble I can get into with it - maybe the foldback mod, *definitely* the Leslie mod.as far as costs go... r they giving it away for free? i.e just register with the emu ppl and they process ure reg-code after a week?
for example i've never owned paris but i want to buy a paris rig.
i know those new drivers for using paris on multicore xp system is $50 but is that the only cost associated with paris for a user who has never owned it b4?PARIS 2.2 software is available at that link and it's free. PARIS 3.0 is $100 (I believe - I paid for mine years ago) [edited eight months later to add: that's because I bought it used as a license transfer - I had no idea at that time that it could possibly be $295 new!]; you download and install it and that starts a seven day trial period. Within that period (I'd do it at the beginning to avoid it expiring before you get an authorization), you receive a challenge code which you email to Intelligent Devices along with payment and receive an authorization key in return.
You don't have to go with 3.0, some people haven't. But it does have some very cool features.& then there is also the $50 drivers for if one would want to run it on a multicore xp system correct?
i saw these paris drivers for sale on ebay a month or so ago.That's right. The original, free XP drivers do work, and lots of folks have used them for the last five years continuously by working within their limitations, and the same could be said for PARIS 2.2.
But to get the most out of your PARIS rig, IMHO buying PARIS 3.0 ($100) and Mike's drivers ($50) is definitely the way to go. The drivers you saw advertised on ebay were the same ones available at Mike's link (:: mikeaudet :: at the top of this page).Well, I tried for hours last night to install, with no luck.
I kept getting an error message when the install was at 44%. I think my hard drive may have been corrupted in the crash. I tried scanning the disc for errors and it just keeps crashing. Maybe a Win98 file was corrupted too?
Now I've gotta figure out a new plan.
The strange and fortunate thing is that I just finished mixing a huge project that has taken 2 years, our fourth album in 10 years. So I guess I'll have time to contemplate next steps.
I'll be in touch and thanks!
www.MamboSons.comDamn, sorry to see him go yesterday...only 44 and an inspiration to so many...RIPSounds like the perfect time to treat yourself to an upgrade - new HD, install of XP, the new drivers and PARIS 3.0
Man, you were so lucky with the timing. SOP for computers is to wait until just before an important delivery to die.I'm very sorry to hear of Wayman's passing, AA. My most sincere condolences, both to yourself and to his other friends and family - he sounds like an exceptional person.I know Kerry...I literally was going in to try an alternate mix of one tune, which has an extended intro.
Was gonna cut it down in Paris, but I have been able to do the same thing in WaveLab already.
I have been working on the new cd for almost 2 years and we recorded something like 25 tunes...gonna use the best 20.
For once, Murphy's Law doesn't prevail.
Now, onto building a new computer for Paris Pro in XP...any info out there on this? I literally am looking for a checklist of stuff I need (already have a MEC with 12 inputs and the associated cards, plus the Control 16.
I spoke to another fellow named Mike who was a great help, a few months back, but my lack of technical expertise made me stay with Win98.
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Re: Greg Bear stories . . . when you say "mountains of Georgia," are you talking about the USA, or the former USSR? Because the latter contains the oldest continuous researchers in phage therapy, the Eliava Institute. http://www.eliava-ibmv.caucasus.net/ They've been at it since the early '20s. and curing infections with success rates in the 80-90% range long before antibiotics were discovered.
The nation of Georgia - Eliava is involved in the first part of the book; Bear makes a lot of the same points you've made here. He's obviously done a lot of research.
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Sinclair Lewis wrote a novel about an MD using phages to cure plague, Arrowsmith, in 1925 or so, which won him a (refused)Pulitzer, and was made into an Acadamy Award nominated film in the early '30s.
I just found a bit of "Arrowsmith" online and got hooked reading it - it's great, I'm going to see if I can find it next trip to the bookstore.
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So this is not new stuff. It was actually discovered over a hundred years ago, but our pharmaceutical establishment is too greedy and backward to pay it any mind, even though it may be our only hope for stopping epidemics of resistant bacteria.
It's got my curiosity piqued.
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All work and no play makes Jack a dull forum Do not quote me on this (because I didn't build it) but I'm pretty sure my new rig has
600 watt power supply / Dual head video card / DVD burner /160 gig program drive / 500 gig data drive / 500 gig hot swappable drive all mounted in a 4 rack space server case
This rig houses two EDS cards and two UAD-1e cards and so far is solid as a rock.Cool, thanks...I'll shop those specs.That complete system came in at just over $700 CAD of course we got some sweet used deals i.e. the MB and the RAM but everything else was new...so I'm guessing all new would have been around $1000 CAD
Well, this is kind of embarrassing, but one of the nurses at work suggested I make sure I had all the most recent codecs and the most up to date driver for my graphics card, which I assumed I had already done when I reinstalled XP and did the windows update thing. Anyway, I went to nvidia and got the latest driver for my card and it totally solved he problem.
Heh.
Hard to believe a little thing like that could crash the whole computer, but there it is.
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Been there
Done that
Felt really foolish
Any idea what's going on?
Hi folks. Nowadays we often see folks asking "what PC configuration is recommended for PARIS nowadays?" on the forums and NG.
Mike's new drivers will motivate many folks to take the upgrade plunge. Some of them will undoubtedly be PARIS Mac users making the transition to PC for the first time; they'll want pretty explicit instructions and specific parts lists (I needed them myself).
I'd love to set up a database to organize the community's collective insights (and new discoveries) about working/stable systems, but I don't think I have the skills to do the kind of job that would be most useful to the community. So I thought I'd put out the call and see if there's anyone who'd be interested in helping put together something I could serve as part of the Wiki, or at least linkable to it.
Such a database would ideally be built around php and MySQL, since those are the things I'm gaining some small degree of familiarity with and could host a bit more easily. It wouldn't have to be very complex. It would take form input so Wiki users can enter their own system info directly (although I don't mind starting the ball rolling by culling the NG for past working configurations) and it would be easily searchable by variety of criteria. Ideally it would be something whose input and output I could integrate into a Wiki page. We could poll our PC wizards to tell us what fields beyond the obvious should be included - for example, BIOS revision # (with URL)? Purchase link for harder-to-find mobos or components?
PM me if you're interested in helping create this resource, and thanks for your interest.I've never had any troubles (knock on wood) with any of my Hammonds other than bad tubes. I'm going to change all the caps in the tonewheel generator, and preamp this summer on the old C2, and my Leslie 21H could use caps and new resistors as well. Hope you can get the M3 working right. I do recall on my M3 I could get it to do somthing of a motor boat sound by putting the vibrato knob in between the C3 and C2 settings, but beyond that, have no experience in this particular area, sorry man! Anyhow, best of luck, and get that Leslie wired up!Two tigers are out in the jungle eating a clown; one tiger wrinkles his nose and says to the other - "does this taste funny to you?"And a bump to the top. Anyone know of apps I've missed in there?
Anyone know of Linux apps that support PAF (presumably via libsndfile)?
- KHow are you Brian? Glad you're keeping in touch.
Paris is still relatively cool with some new breakthroughs. If you still dabble with it have you tried Vertexdsp Faderworks? This provides latency compensation. http://www.vertexdsp.com/.
Mike Audet has provided some very nice sounding reverbs as well as major improvements to NoLimit (meters/ dry/mix control) and other wicked cool plugs.
Are you engulfed in a maze of other high tech gear? We'd love to hear what you're doing!
Cheers,
Tom
So far I've only rendered one track at a time so I don't know about stereo files.
So, Yes. v3.0 can render 16 or 24bit files to same right in the Editor window. It can also render a 24bit mono file to a 16bit mono file. And vice versa. I render up to 24bit when I've previously recorded a 16bit vocal track and I need a 24bit file to use in Melodyne.
wayneThank you Wayne, thats what I needed to know.Tomorrow will be tough.. the viewing.... but my thoughts are mainly on the family and how they'll miss the kind of light he had on all the time. Local reports are expecting about 20,000 folks to show up at the funeral Thursday. Unfortunately, we have to postpone the competition without awarding a prize, since there have been no contributors.
Perhaps we'll try again another time
- KYour post is perfect Tyrone, not a thing to apologize for bro. He was quite the explosion of sunshine wasn't he? I sure appreciate you telling me how he lit up, made my day. That's the stuff bro, that's the stuff. So glad you got the chance to sit down with him.
AAWith many thanks to TC for getting me started, I got my first PARIS adat card synced and running with my HD3 rig--it sounds great! I am excited to be able to keep my clients projects in PT and still sum it through PARIS. Will probably end up summing 32 out of PT into 32 in PARIS...life's good...Hi all. Just announcing another forum upgrade, this time to 2.8.1 full release.
Lots of new features and upgrades in this one, most of which would seriously bore any normal human (as for me, I think it's great - my job's getting easier). But if you're interested in the gory details of how FUDforum is being improved "under the hood", you can read the list in the link above for 2.8.1RC1, and then read the list of new ones that made it into 2.8.1 Final here.Any news?Hey John -
Does PT have that Paris sound now?
johnmacy wrote on Thu, 21 May 2009 00:51
With many thanks to TC for getting me started, I got my first PARIS adat card synced and running with my HD3 rig--it sounds great! I am excited to be able to keep my clients projects in PT and still sum it through PARIS. Will probably end up summing 32 out of PT into 32 in PARIS...life's good...
Not totally sure yet---I got two more cards up and running last night, so I will experiment with 12 mono and 6 stereo stems this morning. Just listening to 4 mono and 2 stereo stems last night was sounding pretty fine...I am running 4 adat cards--3 with the stems and one to the KSP8...more to follow...Not yet, I'm afraid; I've emailed Kim, I'll post news as I get it.
- KHi all. Deej and TC were talking about the Bricasti reverbs a while back, so I thought I'd post this for folks using convolution reverbs. Won't get you all the way there, but might be interesting/useful.
Direct link to Bricasti reverb impulses [.zip, 105meg]it started as a trickle and turned into a....trickle...yup...i still got it. 2 card 2 mec Paris system running on Vista Works with one card crashs on closing with 2 cards. Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong.
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: PARIS.exe
Application Version: 0.0.0.0
Application Timestamp: 3acdd410
Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll
Fault Module Version: 6.0.6001.18000
Fault Module Timestamp: 4791a7a6
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000659c3
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.768.2
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: fd00
Additional Information 2: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
Additional Information 3: fd00
Additional Information 4: ea6f5fe8924aaa756324d57f87834160
As far as I know, it doesn't *run* on Vista, it needs XP - my (admittedly vague) understanding is that the driver models were changed for Vista.
So having said that - you got it *working* on Vista, even with one card????Wow, we're into the third week of outage now. No news, anyone?I've got these downloaded and will test them against my hardware unit. By all accounts from people who have given them a go, they are pretty stellar. I still think Casey may have shot himself in the foot a bit for giving Acousticas the ok on this, but hey, it's great.. That GS thread on this was a bit weird though (aren't they all though ).
Cheers,
TCHey John,
It was great talking with you. It's nice to know there's at least two of us doing this now, and that I'm not strange for summing PT to Paris (or at least both of us are strange, one or the other )
How's the clocking working out? No problems so far?
Cheers,
TC
TC11 wrote on Sun, 24 May 2009 17:47
That GS thread on this was a bit weird though (arent' they all..).
Cheers,
TC
LOL. It was the Reaper forum rather than Gearslutz, but same diff. On the Reaper forums, saying that one DAW "sounds better" than another causes instant nuclear warfare, since some of the louder mouths in the Reaper community seem to be convinced that it's been proven beyond any possible doubt that every DAW sounds precisely the same. Claiming otherwise is simply proof positive to them that you're irrational and your ears are painted on the sides of your head ;D
Aside from that, they're quite nice chaps.Funny, I see those arguments on GS too and it makes me laugh. Obviously not former or current paris users.
Acousticas annouced these impulses on GS also, which is where I saw them. A couple people said they couldn't hear a difference from the hardware (on the same preset), others saying the opposite, etc. Casey from Bricasti had to kind of chime in and say basically, c'mon, they are not the same thing as the hardware. Just kind of a wierd position for him to be in, since he gave them permission to release them if they were free..
I'm sure the impulses will be good enough for some people who were maybe planning on buying the hardware to hold off. It will be interesting to see if Acousticas will be given permission to sample V2 when it comes out sometime in coming months..
Cheers,
TC For a lot of commercial work nowadays (thinking about work I've done in film/TV) mixing "in the box" is really the only option. It's all about efficiency; outboard gear is a layer of complication to be bypassed whenever possible, since the client most often doesn't have the ears to tell the difference anyway. So there's distinct markets there - and if they hadn't released them, someone would have soon enough.
Myself, I like "efficient", but I'm not interested in raising it to the level of a goal in and of itself. It's something that's nice to consider after you've taken care of the more important stuff.
As to the very well reasoned and scholarly arguments that demonstrate why all DAWs *must* sound the same, all I can do is say E pur si muove.
kerryg wrote on Sun, 24 May 2009 20:29
For a lot of commercial work nowadays (thinking about work I've done in film/TV) mixing "in the box" is really the only option. It's all about efficiency; outboard gear is a layer of complication to be bypassed whenever possible, since the client most often doesn't have the ears to tell the difference anyway. So there's distinct markets there - and if they hadn't released them, someone would have soon enough.
I hear what you're saying, but I still like using my outboard. Your work always sounds great anyway so it probably doesn't matter as much to you, but I honestly need all the help I can get . In the case of the Bricasti, there's 4 quick "favorite settings" recall buttons on the front, and I find it honestly as hassle free as any reverb plugin to use in a mix and do recall later. Software implementation like the PCM 96 would be great, but that probably won't happen for the M7. I'm been writing music this past week for a tv show, and am mixing tonight, and I'd hate to do it without my M7.. it's just really great at creating natural space around things.. Got 3 adat cards running great--24 in may be all I need for summing. Have a KSP8 running on a 4th adat card and that is giving me some pops and clicks...if I don't get them out tomorrow it will go analog for now...great talking to you, too, and I just assume we are both strange ....hi.
In wich folder do I store the dll files
Best regards LasseHi Lasse - both included files (libsndfile and the wrapper) go in your REAPER/Plugins folder. After that, PAF (and a number of other file types) should just show up in "add media" dialogs as if they were, say, WAV files.I haven't been using PARIS for summing yet and I'm not set up at the moment to do a direct comparison for sonic nuances. But what I do notice immediately (it's not a subtle or "golden ears" thing) is the instant perception of increased headroom.
I guess this has been said so many times it's hardly worth repeating, but PARIS is just so much more forgiving in the upper end of the dynamic range than any other DAW I've tried. I've sure missed this in the last few years when trying to get punch and drive into my bass tracking using Logic and RME, I had to struggle with plugins to get to a semi-unsatisfactory approximation of it.
johnmacy wrote on Mon, 25 May 2009 21:19
Have a KSP8 running on a 4th adat card and that is giving me some pops and clicks...
Does the KSP8 have WC in? I think you mentioned to me that you have a Genx-6/96 that wasn't hooked up yet? If so, that should take care of the problem.
Cheers,
TC
kerryg wrote on Wed, 27 May 2009 09:16
I haven't been using PARIS for summing yet and I'm not set up at the moment to do a direct comparison for sonic nuances. But what I do notice immediately (it's not a subtle or "golden ears" thing) is the instant perception of increased headroom.
I guess this has been said so many times it's hardly worth repeating, but PARIS is just so much more forgiving in the upper end of the dynamic range than any other DAW I've tried. I've sure missed this in the last few years when trying to get punch and drive into my bass tracking using Logic and RME, I had to struggle with plugins to get to a semi-unsatisfactory approximation of it.
I agree completelyI have actually been clocking the HD rig off Paris through ADAT sync, as I have always done with the KSP8...no time last night for experiments, so I just went analog i/0 with the KSP...loving what I am hearing so far...Hi all. The link to the PARIS wallpapers is long since 404'd, but I'd serve them on the Wiki if someone's preserved them - anybody got 'em? Thanks!Hey all. Finally got a chance to start skinning PARIS, and I just wanted to say thanks to Mike Yanoska and Jim Drago for the obviously copious hours of work they've put in on these.
The installation process is actually much simpler than the meticulous instructions included make it look - it's really only a couple of minutes work per skin, and I've had zero problems doing my first couple. A big thanks to both you guys!
- K Still no word eh wot?
Hope you enjoy them Kerry. If you use mine let me know of any anomalies and I will fix them. I have this mixerfaderpan done now. What do you think? JimThat looks great, Jim! I love the rec lights on the black skin. No real anomalies to report - if you like, I'll go through them with a more critical eye. The work you've done already is pretty inspiring.
I've been thinking about tinkering with skinning myself, although I reckon you've put in a daunting amount of hours on yours and I'm not welcoming the "learning curve . I started collecting shots of Neve gear - including some of an old Neve Suitcase that's very much like one I used to use a lot - with the idea that they might make a nice starting point for a skin, given PARIS' analog-like response...
Pretty darned ambitious, though - we'll see if I manage to squeeze the time in.Hi guys
Got a four / five song, live off the rehearsal stage audio-video gig coming up.
Instrumentation is:
two acoustic guitars and vocals
Percussion - electronic kik / real snare / congas / ride cymbal and vocal
Bass - DI (and amp only if required)
the stage is 20 X40, the band will be using in ear monitoring and we have all the mics we need except for two to record the acoustics (we will be DI-ing them too)
So the question is what type of mic would you use to record the acoustics and if possible some recommendations...this is mainly to reduce the bleed from the kit (but were looking at a plexiglass gobo just in case but not confirmed)
I have access to wide variety of mics, i.e. 57's to KM84's and just about everything in between so throw out your suggestions
DonKerry,
Thanks for the kind words. I sent the last set I worked on to your email.
Example attached.
Take care, Mike.
Woot, very slick looking! I'll install it and give it a try. Is that - editor screen skinning - I'm seeing as well?? Nice!
- KOr is it Gargoyle?
RichOK - skin gurus - I have a couple of (likely dumb) questions.
Looking at the skins on the Wiki -
1) the panel of original PARIS color that remains above the aux strips on most of the skins, is that a small strip that repeats upwards (I use that same idea horizontally on the forum's main page)? Or is it a real graphic? I just wondered, since it'd be a great place to put a personalized logo for one's studio etc.
2) the knobs - is it "one knob fits all", or are there different knobs for the different sections of the mnixer, eg aux/eq etc? It would be great to have different colored knobs in the different sections - I really like the way it aids navigation in skins like Variation - but I haven't dug deep enough to figure that out yet.
3) we're stuck with the fonts and font colors for the displayed text, right? (but not for the text *on* the skin itself - or for things like the LED level meters and visual pan indicators though, right? we could theoretically do - say - plasma-style meters?)Hi Kerry answers
1) As for the panels above the masters yes it is a repeating pattern the trouble is if that is changed in any way for some reason PARIS errors every time a project is closed, and then has to be rebooted. At last contact neither Mike or I could fix that.
2) Depends on how much time you want to spend, they can all look different if you want them to from section to section. Within the sections they all will be the same. Does that make sense?
3) Yes
It takes me about 100 hours to do a complete set. The main thing is being very careful when you do knobs and lights, they must be copied and placed exactly or they will dance when called on. Even one pixel off shows.
Call me if you want or have any ?'s
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Mike the new skin looks nice..
Kerry also remember I talked to you about doing various EXE files in different skins then you can just open which ever you feel like at the time.
Of all the ones I've done and experimented with I still like the black skin the best. No eye fatigue with it for me. Do look with a critical eye please. Jim I used to. I see Tom Boyles (the creator) all the time I'll ask if he still has them.Great Jim - say hi to Tom and invite him by the forums if he hasn't been by yet; I'll be more than happy to serve any resources he feels like sharing.Thanks for the insights, Jim - I took your advice, my PARIS folder's filling up with modded EXEs. Eventually I'll put shortcuts to my top three or four on the desktop.
Black and Brushed Aluminium are going to be in there, along with my favorites of Mike's themes (his last is a beaut too, I should be able to post it soon). Both Black and Brushed Aluminium are superbly done - you've nailed the backlit plastic look for things like the FX bypass buttons, and the aux pan buttons turn convincingly, and it all hangs together really well. My personal fave is Brushed Aluminium since I like a medium contrast workspace, but Black is very elegant too.
OK, since you asked me to put on my real critical glasses - I'm having to squint pretty hard to find any flaws; the only thing I can see at this point in Black is that the SUB ON/SUB OFF buttons aren't quite right. The similar DISC REC light beside them works great; I think it's that the text for OFF drops significantly and there's no black rim inside the highlight around the lower RH corner like there is for the DISK REC light. But that looks like a pretty quick fix. Aside from that what I'm seeing feels nicely convincing.Thanks Kerry that's the kind of feedback I need, I never use more than one submix so didn't notice. If you look carefully SSC put a small notch on the pans. If the angle of that knob is changed that notch comes up wrong.That's why I use his knob on the pans. I could shift everything to the left but then it wouldn't be centered. I'd like to see Mikes new set. The sample looks good. Since the aluminum is brushed it is pretty easy on the eyes also. When I fix the sub problem and any others you catch do you want me to send you the repaired bmps to post. Thanks again. Talk to you soon. JimWill do Sure Jim, send them on with a note as to which set they belong to and I'll re-upload them to the Wiki.
I noticed that about SSC's knobs, the Aux pan knobs are "perspective" angled back and left, so the center of rotation of the "notch" needs to be in the center of the top of the knob, not in the spot where the notional "shaft" hits the strip. Looks fine on yours. I can't tell if the "notch" also moves elliptically.
What graphics programs do you guys work in? Are you using GIMP by any chance?Hi folks. If any of you have any difficulties logging in or remembering your password (or if you were a contributor on the NG and see you have an account here and think "password? what password?") - just reset your password and get a new one via email, you can always set it back afterwards. If that doesn't resolve things quickly, contact me and I'll sort it out right away.
I do apologize for the state of the older posts. This would have normally been resolved in the course of a resync with the NG, but the prolonged absence of the NG has caught me by surprise too. I wish I had some news to report, but I haven't got any more info than anyone else. We all wish Kim well, and look forward to the NG coming back up as soon as whatever difficulties are going on get resolved.
UPDATE 06/12/09: After more than a month of the NG's absence, and with no timeframe for its return, I think it's time for the use of another method to sort out the damaged older posts. Expect some disturbances in the Force over the next few days while I'm restoring sections of the forum from backup.
Thanks for your patience!
UPDATE 06/30/09: I've been updating the community census to account for the recent increases. It would seem we've taken a significant jump upwards; we now stand at 190 *current PARIS users*, many of whom are new community members (welcome!). Not bad for eight years after discontinuation.
Interestingly, we have some folks in their 20s joining us - which likely indicates new (or at least non-original-purchaser) PARIS users. A double welcome to you folks - let us know if you need any help getting your rigs running properly, and bring us ol' folks some new music!
- KThat is correct on SSC's pan and aux knobs. I would love to change them but to do so would move them way off center because as you said you have to put them under the rotational center of the notch. When I get the corrections done that you noticed I will send the corrected file to you. I need to talk to you about a computer recommendation, can I call you some evening? I use PS CS2i haven't turned on paris for sometime and tried to do so today. got the failure to communicate with the mec on initialization prompt. i've tried the cards individually, on different pci slots, cleaned them and the scsi connection on both the card and mec, tried swapping the connections (yeah i know if one end doesn't work that ain't gonna help). so after all that testing my big brain figures the cable is what went bad just sitting there.
so i go to best buy and ask about the 50 pin mini scsi cable i need and you'd think i was from another planet...they've never heard of scsi...oh yeah...
i tried new egg and "there are zero matches for your search"
sooooooooo does anybody have one laying around so i can at least test my rig to see if that's the problem? i'll pay the shipping both ways if it's not the problem and obviously pay for the cable and shipping if it is.
thanksThose suckers are getting harder to find. I'm not sure, does this look like the right one?I've used Shure KSM32s on acoustic in conjunction with the DIs and they've worked well. They can get a little muddy unless you turn them off axis a bit, and don't get too near the sound hole. I've also used the AKG414 on acoustic guitar in omni mode, and it was very nice, however omni would be a train wreck in a live set up I suppose.Hi Kerry,
Thanks for keeping things afloat here. I keep reading the posts and am encouraged by the skins thread. I'm always using Paris and continually looking for progress. Yeah.
Thanks as always,
Tom
Kerry, I will send the wallpaper bitmaps to your email. Mike.Jim,
I meant to tell you that I really like your "aluminum" set.
Nice work!
Mike.Thanks Mike - I got 'em and I'll give them their own page on the Wiki. Blast from the past looking at those, man
- KJim, I PM'd you my phone number, I'm in tonight 'til midnight PST.Hey Mike - what's the story on this skin? I've looked around and I can't find the BMPs for it - are they part of another pack?
kerry,
thanks, i guess i'll find out in a few days if it's the right one.
Kerry,
I'll send the entire set tonight.
Mike.Rick,
THat should be the one...If not, let me know and I'l dig one out to send you for testing at least.
JeffThanks Jeff - what was the final verdict on 10' SCSI cables for the MECs? I seem to recall 6' was the maximum recommended length for cables between actual SCSI devices, but for the MECS 10' was fine if they're good quality and in good condition; that sound about right?I got it, Mike, that's an awesome skin! I posted it on the Wiki and installed it myself, it's in my top faves.
Mike, Jim - these are great skins with enormous amounts of love and attention to detail put into them - you ought to *sign* them. A great place for the skin name and author would be in the Project Window, right in the strip where it says "SUBMIX DISPLAY CONTROLS (I think by now we can all figure out what that section is without the title ). That way it'll be the first thing a user sees after bootup; you guys really ought to do it when you have a chance!
- KOK, thanks guys, they're up on the Wiki now - Kwell i ordered it then in a last ditch try found out it was not the cable but couldn't cancel the order so...oh well.
while one card works which is enough for what i need to do i no longer have working ppj's. even though i arm the tracks nothing gets recorded (yes, the channels show a signal coming in). so if any of you could email me the above i'd appreciate it immensely.
tia
me
parnell68 at hotmail .comHmmm... how many cards have you got? could it be this?
thanksOlder and dumber? Must be some sort of virus going around, I have it too .
Glad it's sorted. All's well then?
- K I remember them well. I reckon it's time to add some new ones now - some 10th Anniversary stuff.
- KI am running 6' but have a couple 10' Jan Stolpe used with his system he sold me. He didn't seem to have an issue with them (if I remember correctly).
JHHi Mike Thanks I just noticed your post tonight, I appreciate it. Your skins are looking really nice also. Take care. Jimsadly, i must concur.who did we give our paris gear to?Hey Guys,
I just want to tip my hat to all who took the time to create the skins - it honestly take a lot of effort to make things look "right" (plus it really helps when you know what you're doing ).
Anyway, I had the same idea (make PARIS look like a Neve console) at the time when it was discovered that you could do this to PARIS. I thought I'd start with what I thought was the easiest place - the ADAT interface. I can't remember if I posted it to the group, but this is how far I got.
I thought I'd move on the the main mixer, but I couldn't get the buttons to look quite right, and the fonts were a pain in the ass to track down, so I gave up/moved on to things that I actually should have been doing at the time.
Needless to say, I can really appreciate what those of you have done, and I am very vey greatful.
That was about "sounding folks out" about the concept so I knew what resources we could offer a developer; I never took it to the next step (organizing a volunteer to receive the components) because what we were seeking was ASIO drivers and Mike is now covering that internally. No gear should have changed hands - are you sure Paul Braun doesn't still have it?Hey, great minds think alike! The Neve skin idea struck me as a great match for PARIS' "analog-like" characteristics (even though I never heard them as specifically "Neve-like") . Maybe we should stick our heads together and finish this one - I have a feeling this would be of interest to others too.I believe your right, that looks AWESOME!yeah that's the one. i thought that paul was sending it to whomever it was suppose to go to.Not yet (or at least nothing connected to that thread, or that I know of). But thanks for reminding me to explain the back story on that - I'll start a separate thread.
- kHi folks
I have recently put Paris on a PC running XP. It's got a AMD Duron processor, 1.54Ghz and 640Mg of Ram.
What would you set the config settings to..?Took a quick try at a "NEVE"-like skin. Pretty difficult given the restriction of the Paris bitmaps, but this is a cross between the NEVE 8014 and the 8036.
Take care guys, Mike.Mike - that's freakin' AWESOME! Brushed-steel tops on the knobs too? Mega-analog-retro - I love it!! Too cool! Looking forward to this one bigtime.
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- KHey all - Rick brought up the issue of "who the development rig was going to be destined for" over in this thread. Since the circumstances have changed significantly since then and there's no remaining need to keep things under my hat I thought I'd take a sec and explain what that was/is about - and why that hasn't turned into a formal reality - or at least not yet.
Back at the time I asked, we didn't seem to have a visible game plan regarding drivers, so I decided to tackle finding out what would be involved and who might help (I had no inkling at the time that Mike was quiet
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ly gearing up to tackle the drivers himself - nor did I have any idea of how well he'd succeed).
So I set out on a hunt for driver developers. I talked to quite a few, including some of the bigger names in the business, and I got some great help and cooperation. To make a long story short, during that process someone gave me the cel number of the head of Creative's driver division and suggested that it might be a very good time to present our situation to them. I called and we had a good discussion (which I was asked to keep under my hat at the time) about the possibility of Creative's driver labs supporting a PARIS driver initiative. It was important to be certain we could provide a development rig to Creative if needed.
Then Mike started into the driver work, and when I saw how serious he was about getting this done, it was obvious there was no need for external driver development. The community had already solved its own problem.
The second potential destination for a development rig was - and IMHO still should be - the Reaper folks. I contacted them privately last summer in pursuit of PARIS/Reaper convergence. I got no direct response, but I'd rather expected that they'd prefer to be contacted through the Reaper community anyway, which is in fact how we got the PAF extension recently. I've put the more ambitious steps on hold until the ASIO drivers are further along (and they are indeed ambitious steps), so the question of a PARIS rig to support this development may well be raised again in the summer.
Just a FYI in case anyone was interested!
- KThat looks very good Mike. Those potentiometers bring back memories from the first days of skinning way back when. Take care. JimHI,
i have problem while i'm trying to start Paris.
During the opening, when Paris engine initializing VST effect i got "error in initializing Paris Engine.An unexpected engine error occured" and only i can do is press OK, then nothing happens...
hope anyone can help.... Hmm, Mac or PC? Could a bad VST plugin be causing the problem?PCTest by eliminating your VST plugins. PARIS can be pretty persistent in remembering the VST plugin folder, so make a new folder on your desktop, drag all the plugins from your VST Plugins folder into it, and see if the problem persists.By the way - if you have a chance to post the exact error code, once we've solved it I'll add it to the wiki so we've got a documented solution if others run into the same error.Hi,
I realized that I don't have recent contact info for folks that I have known for the past decade
ChuckAlthough I'm treating the email database I collected as confidential and limited distribution (Mike has a copy too) so as not to increase anyone's spam exposure, I'm pretty sure the general consensus would be to make an exception for the Paris NG Community's actual founder
So if you like, and if I get no PM objections from anyone between now and the end of the weekend (I can't get at the doc until then anyway - I'm posting from my wife's iBook, the G5 is getting a new PSU at the moment), I'll assume there are no objections and forward it to you.
Hi,
Hope all are well.
Take a look at:
http://intdevices.com/proaudio/
Excellent Gene, thanks for the heads up! Nice to see Edmund and ID getting back in the pro audio game after all this time.
- KHa!! they used the word "soon"!
"MegaDelayMass
It's a new kind of multi-tap delay. AND IT'S COMING SOON! "
Ya, right...
so lets enter the "free" vst plg ins as a group...how can we losethanks for trying to help, i removed all VST and didn't work. Maybe you have some other solution on your mind or you know someone else who could help...by the way what would happen if i removed Paris software, do i still have someone to contact to ,about authorization.
Have you removed the VST folder pointer from the config file?
I have no issues, I think CD lost my e some time ago and I can't get past his spam attacker for some reason where i can find "pointer" and maybe you know the name You'll find some useful info on your config file at
="_blank">this link at the Wiki. Thanks for the reminder, I just emailed it off to Chuck now, he'll get it with his morning coffee.
- k
[I could use a spam filter, I got four probably virus-laden e-cards and six pheromone spams this weekend. Oh well.].If you're commercial I can't say enough great things about the amount of crap my Iron Port appliance catches. We have less than 1% of the spam we used to get. I wonder if these will work with the convo reverb in C5. Guess I'll give them a whirl in a day or two. Thanks to Kerry for posting this link.
Right after I sold my Paris rig and built the Cubase rig I quickly discovered that it was going to take more than one computer to deliver the low latency performance that I had been used to so for my first major tracking session (full band...18 live mics) I split the tracking chores between two computers running RME interfaces in Cubase 4 synced using Steinberg Systemlink.....so predictably, by moving to a native system in order to simplify, I had quickly created another frankenstein rig. It was a nightmare trying to run a tracking session with Systemlink. Anyway, I was so unfamiliar with it and so overwhelmed trying to run this session solo that I did a less than stellar job of getting the best drum tracks. After the initial tracking session, the project languished for about a year while the band did some sorting out of it's own and then over the next 9 months or sothey came back in with OD's and finished it up.....except for the drums. As I started mixing this, I just wasn't getting what I wanted out of the kit but retracking it wasn't an option.
Around last Christmas, Toontrack came out with a new app called Drumtracker. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA95qe7uCY4
It's a bit different from Drumagog in the way it goes about midi'ing up audio, but it is absolutely wonderful in the way it preserves the dynamics and timing (no quantizing) and for my purposes, it was preferable to the way Drumagog works with my sampler, which is BFD2. Anyway, here are links to some songs that employed Drumtracker in a reinforcement role. The band was very happy with this, which is the bottom line for me.
Heh - a thought just crossed my mind - I wonder if it's feasible to code an EDS convolution plug? That'd be an interesting addition.Yeah, Drumtracker looks awesome. I'll be definitely checking it out.
Drumagog seldom really seemed to suit my needs - likely to do with the styles of music I've tried it on. I've had a few occasions where we wound up keeping it, but most of the time it got turned off.
I've speculated that it might be to do with the way we unconsciously judge a drum performance - that we judge a great performance by its mutually-reinforcing elements of confidence of groove, confidence in note choice, and confidence of tone production. Increasing one without increasing the other - combining the tone of a guy who practices four hours a day with the timing and or part choice of a guy who only plays every third weekend (I know, but so often "the gig's the gig") - gives me a subtly uncomfortable "that ain't right" feeling. The sound improved, but with the sonic improvement came an increasing feeling that something didn't feel right. To me it was like increasing the height of one of the legs of a three-legged stool - the stool didn't get higher, it just started to fall over.
[By the way, if you want a forum avatar - I put some custom ones at the bottom of the avatar list you might want to check out ]Listening to Billy now. You've had more success than I have It's running an Intel i7 920 CPU. I am absolutely floored at the power this DAW has. So far, it's extremely stable with an RME PCI host (for Multiface), a MADI PCI and an HDSP AES32 card running in a Magma chassis interfacing the computer via PCI. It's also got a UAD-2 Quad and a Duende PCIe onboard. I'm recording 56 tracks right now at 32k buffers (0.07ms) latency with about 5% CPU usage and approximately the same percentage of VST resources being used in Cubase 5. This is the first time in my history of running a native app that it performed at low enough latency to come anywhere close to the Paris system latency witout fretting about some frigging VST spike in Cubase. It's also the first time I've seen anything like a correlation between the Windows CPU usage metering and the Cubase VST performance meter. Usually, the Cubase VST performance meter is much higher than the Windows CPU musage meter. Coincidence?
So what does 32 samples/0.07ms latency translate to in actual roundtrip latency? Because, at least in theory, that does sound like we've finally arrived at the PARIS roundtrip numbers with processing overhead l
It has been an *impressively* long journey getting here.sounds cool deej and it only took 12 years to get to where we once were. seriously good on ya mate.
kerryg wrote on Tue, 16 June 2009 23:54
So what does 32 samples/0.07ms latency translate to in actual roundtrip latency? Because, at least in theory, that does sound like we've finally arrived at the PARIS roundtrip numbers with processing overhead left over for actual work.
It has been an *impressively* long journey getting here.
I'm thinking that with the 64k buffers, plus an additional 64k internal buffer that RME doesn't want to talk about much, but is still there, plus the AD/DA latency, the real world latency is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 ms when all is said and done. That's about as good as it's ever going to get with the hardware I've got. It is inaudible to me, but still about twice what Paris achieves. One thing that always bugged me about the native DAW running at 128k buffers (which is nominally 1.5 ms latency) is that when the extra 64k internal buffering and the AD/DA is taken into account, we're talking something along the lines of almost 7 ms. It's immediate enough to allow for tracking without the distraction of an audible slapback and is something that I would have probably never even thought twice about had I not ever used a Paris system, but since I got spoiled by the Paris (non) latency, there is just a teeny bit of difference between running at 64k buffers and 128k buffers that is audible to me when A/B'ing. 64k buffers give me that tightness and immediacy in the cans that I remember with Paris when tracking........and it is looking like this is finally a reality. One thing about i7 systems though is that they are a bit tempermental, at least with my hardware. I got my system through Chris and (again) it was a good thing. I hit a few snags that had be baffled and it seems that no one on earth is running my exact hardware configuration so there was no guarantee it would work with any computer. Without the knowldege base at ADK relative to which motherboards would be likely to work, or not, I'll still be sitting here scratching my head.
DJ wrote on Wed, 17 June 2009 07:03
kerryg wrote on Tue, 16 June 2009 23:54
So what does 32 samples/0.07ms latency translate to in actual roundtrip latency? Because, at least in theory, that does sound like we've finally arrived at the PARIS roundtrip numbers with processing overhead left over for actual work.
It has been an *impressively* long journey getting here.
I'm thinking that with the 32k buffers, plus an additional 32k internal buffer that RME doesn't want to talk about much, but is still there, plus the AD/DA latency, the real world latency is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 2.9ms when all is said and done. That's about as good as it's ever going to get with the hardware I've got. It is inaudible to me, and close enough to what Paris achieves to satisfy me. One thing that always bugged me about the native DAW running at 64k buffers (which is nominally 1.5 ms latency) is that when the extra 32k internal buffering and the AD/DA is taken into account, we're talking something along the lines of a little over 3.7 ms. It's immediate enough to allow for tracking without the distraction of an audible slapback, but isn't quite as tight in the cans when tracking. It is something that I would have probably never even thought twice about had I not ever used a Paris system, but since I got spoiled by the Paris (non) latency, there is just a teeny bit of difference between running at 32k buffers and 64k buffers that is audible to me when A/B'ing. 32k buffers give me that tightness and immediacy in the cans that I remember with Paris when tracking........and it is looking like this is finally a reality for a native DAW. One thing about i7 systems though is that th
ey are a bit tempermental, at least with my hardware. I got my system through Chris and (again) it was a good thing. I hit a few snags that had me baffled and it seems that no one on earth is running my exact hardware configuration so there was no guarantee it would work with any computer. Without the knowldege base at ADK relative to which motherboards would be likely to work, or not, I'll still be sitting here scratching my head.
well once my mac dies (and it will from the liquid cooler failing and bathing the processor..seems to be the w
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
ay my model dies) i'll probably go back to a pc based system or just say effit. i can't seem to wrap my head around the prevailing "if it sounds like sh&t and has no musical merit" we won't play it. man i miss the days of musicianship and musicians vs noise is king and takes no talent.
good luck with your endeavour.I've got a session next week where I'll need to mic up a tabla - I've seen some recommendations online, but just wanted to see if someone here had some particular tips.
I have a meagre mic locker at the moment. I've really only got budget LDCs at my fingertips right now - two Mike Joly-modded Oktava 319s (omni capsules, haven't got around to sending them in), a Studio Projects C1, and an Apex 460 (which will soon be sent to Dave Thomas for his Peluso mod - anyone tried it?). I do have some friends with better mic lockers to tap if needed.
Preamps are pretty good though - I've got one channel of Seventh Circle Audio N72 ("neve") and two of the C84s ("millennia") going straight into PARIS. So I'll finally be able to share some decently recorded examples of the SCAs afterwards for those that were interested in hearing them - tablas should give 'em a pretty good workout.both my eds cards will boot individually but not connected siting that no interface is connected. it's been so long since i've run the stuff but one mec can run 2 cards right? the only known problem with the second card is the cat5 connection. the c-16 will only control some of the functions.
thanksYes both will work off one MEC.
The C16 will control both cards
rick wrote on Fri, 19 June 2009 01:51
both my eds cards will boot individually but not connected siting that no interface is connected. it's been so long since i've run the stuff but one mec can run 2 cards right?
Yep, no problem.
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the only known problem with the second card is the cat5 connection. the c-16 will only control some of the functions.
thanks
Hmmm... that sounds like a mechanical issue.
She's an old girl, she might just need cleaning up. In order from the C16 inwards - buttons on the C16 actually functioning? AA wrote a great tutorial on fieldstripping and cleaning C16s - all C16s are now "of a certain age" and if it hasn't ever been done, it likely needs it.
Contacts in the Cat5 connectors OK? Zap 'em with contact cleaner on both ends, then do a visual inspection on both 16 and card end for bent/loose pins. Swap out the cable for a fresh one while you're at it.
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Card interconnections OK? Pull'em, zap 'em with contact cleaner, put them back checking the connections carefully so as not to displace them by one pin(not hard to do). Zap the edge connectors with contact cleaner at the same time.that's what i thought. now all i have to do is figure out why it won't see both cards together. it did when i reinstalled paris (a long time ago) and just sat there for a few...years. now, nada. tried different slots, making each the master card...nada. cleaned the slots, cards and my car...nada.
thoughts.Bad ribbon connector between the cards? Check it for kinks or nicks - I once ran into a Cursed Mac suffering from that (of course after the owner had sent it back to Apple twice - once for CPU replacement and then again for full mobo replacement). If it's got a hard bend in it anywhere it might be damaged.
uppose you've already tried plugging the MEC and/or C16 into the other card? Swapping the card positions?yup, individually they work fine except for the c-16 due to the damaged cat5 input on the second card. one of the wire connections is bent up though i would think that when the connection is plugged in it flattens out. even so the c-16 control os sporadic at best. i'd really like to suss it out as i'm wanting to get back to paris for tracking...just like the old mojo i guess. kinda wish i hadn't sold off all the other stuff a couple of years back.
thanksHey everyone. This is my first post. It has been a long time since I have been active in a PARIS community online. Maybe since 2003ish. Sadly, I have been using paris for 7 years and I still am not an expert.
BUT
Here is a cool tip that I want to share to anyone who might not know about this (I didn't until someone online told me).
If you set up a project with all your faders named and windows sized the way you like them, and all you views programmed and patch bay configured etc...
You can save that file in the folder with the Paris .exe file as "Default Project" and it will open automatically every time you open Paris.
Kind of a cool way to save a bunch of time.
Anyway- props to you if you already knew that and if you didn't, give it a shot.
-Phil
Hey Philip - welcome to the forum, glad you found us!
As far as being a PARIS expert - you may not realize what a PARIS expert you've actually become over the years
_biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="Very Happy" />. There's a lot of PARIS users who come to the forums who reckon they aren't experts, but sometimes we take what we've learned for granted. I know a Mac user who's been making albums on it pretty much daily for years, and knows all sorts of cool tricks - and who doesn't consider himself an expert (although he definitely is one).
So thanks for the post on default songs - all sorts of tips, from general usage to "power user tips", are going to be useful again for the next wave of PARIS users. I'm going to be spending some time on the phone helping one tonight, we're going to be covering basics (in this case how submixes work).
By "next wave" - I don't mean original PARIS owners who are dusting off their old PARIS rigs to check out recent/upcoming advances. Predictably enough, we're starting to see the first wave of *new PARIS users* in many years - folks who are attracted by the price/performance ratio, the bargain-basement prices for "big studio" sonics/latency that native DAWs are only now beginning to approach (and even then, only with significant investment). These folks, who are buying or inheriting old PARIS rigs for the first time, are going to be coming to grips with many things existing users take for granted. And whether or not they see themselves as experts, the expertise of the folks like yourself who have "been there done that" will be of great value to them.
So once again - welcome aboard, and thanks!
Works with MAC as well as PC?That I don't know, cos' I have never used a Mac. Sounds like you can test it out though!
Greetings from Utah.
-PhilYes, works with Mac as well, I used that all the time back in my Mac days.
Remember to add "remove the default song from the app folder" at the beginning of your troubleshooting process if you have any problems booting PARIS later, since on occasion default songs can become corrupted. I'll dig around and try to refresh my memory on the pros/cons of default songs.
- K Hi all.. firstly congrats. for the reviving of the Paris's soul/s in such great work..
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Secondly.. any known discomptibality/s between Paris ( Pro.3) and Multicore Processors? I just got a new Intel Q9550 .. in an Asus P5Q MOBO.. with 4G.s of Kingtson HyperX 1066 ram..
Thanks alot in advance It would be impossible to verify every combination of components, but there's nothing known about that combo having any problems. According to Mike, it should all be good - many of the older issues have been solved, PARIS is far more tolerant of different components now. Let us know if you run into any specific issues!Hi gang. Paris skin gurus Mike Yanoska and Jim Drago are the absolute bomb when it comes to tweaking the graphic "look" of PARIS. Mike's "... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
that features characteristic blue gray panels, and aluminum as well as classic red and blue knob caps.
Check Mike and Jim's skins out on the Wiki, and remember, play safe - always duplicate your app first and work on the renamed copy!
- K
nice!Should know this, but I don't:
Can I use these skin thingys on a Mac - OS 9.2.2?
TGHeya Ted - I've heard folks say "no", but I'm a bit at a loss as to why; I would have thought they would have gone into the app pretty easily with ResEdit.
I wish I had a copy of the Mac OSX PARIS app, I'd give it a try.
- kMac OS _X_ Paris app??D'oh - OS9.
OK, yeah - I wish I had an OSX one too!
that new skin is goooood! it really makes PARIS the best looking daw!
I´d immediately install it, if it would work with os9... kerry, do you want the os9 PARIS app in a zip file to do some experiments?
-is there a res-edit software for os9?
micha
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-is there a res-edit software for os9?
ResEdit is a good tool for Mac OS9 resource editing (there's a download link for it at the bottom of the article). It's pretty likely folks have tried to use ResEdit to accomplish this before and ran into some sort of "gotcha" that kept it from succeeding. Still, nothing wrong with trying stuff out, is there? As long as you work on a copy of the app, it's not like we can break anything important.
And I don't think voiding our warranty is an issue I just decided to pull my old PARIS system out of some boxes in the garage and see if it could still be used. Mike Audet was very helpful to answer some setup questions I had... and after many installs, "error 1/1", "error 7/7", un-installs, swapping the EDS card to a different slot, etc... I was finally able to launch and run PARIS versions 2.2 & 3.0 successfully with Chris Thoman's XP driver (thanks Mike for helping me find that).
The problem I'm having is that when I simply set up 1 track to record, and then click "record" on the transport... the entire system instantly freezes and I have to hard boot to recover.
I'm using a dinosaur machine:
PC 667MHz / 128 MB RAM
Windows XP Pro
I know the machine sounds like a "pocket calculator" by today's standards... but trust me... back in 1999 it was the hottest thing going I recorded an entire album in 2001 on this same computer with an older version of the PARIS software... so I figured it should work today as well.
I'd love some suggestions on how I could troubleshoot this recording freeze?
I'm wondering if Mike's driver would be the solution? Anyone?
Thanks!
BryanI've got no practical suggestions; Mike might have a little more free time soon, he's in finals right now.
But I just set up an entry for this on the Wiki under "<
a href="http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=BugsTroubleshooting" target="_blank">Bugs/Troubleshooting" so we can document any fix. And welcome to the forums!
- kThe last time you were tracking with this setup, did you have XP or 98 running?
My guess is that if you are trying XP for the first time, then that is the issue. For me, making the switch from 98 to XP was a crash nightmare. Ultimately, the problem was IRQ issues and conflicts with other pieces of hardware. In the end, I had to dump my sound card, and move my eds cards to an external chassis to get the thing stable.
So, I would try with sound card. Pull it. That might fix your problem. If not, there is a way to disable ACPI while installing XP- if you turn off acpi, you might have more flexibility changing IRQs and stuff.
If you do need to get set up with an external chassis, that's not so bad. One sold on ebay for $70 last week.
-PhilHey all- I have an IF2 and can't seem to get it working. IE- I can't see it in the patch bay. So, can someone remind me of the rules of using one of these? I seem to remember that there are some configurations of hardware that make an IF2 not usable.
I have a 3 card system. First card is running a blue mec with an ADAT card. Second card is running a 442. Third card is trying to run the IF2 right now. I have also tried plugging the IF2 into the jack on both the 442 and the mec. No luck. I would love to have a pair of inputs on the 3 card if possible.
-PhilJust so it's been said - getting a second-hand PC to run PARIS on is a breeze nowadays - a PC that will run rings around that one can probably be found sitting in someone's junk closet for free (ahh, the benefits of using an obsolete system - serious upgrades are pocket change!). $200 judiciously spent on Craigslist would buy you something that will put PARIS in hog heaven.
$400 bought me a totally pimped-out "top of the line" AMD system (from a couple of years back, naturally .Yeah you know... looking back on it, I'm quite sure you're right that it was Win98 because I bought the system in late 1999 or so and I started recording that album right around then.
I do recall it being easy to set up and pretty stable back then. I haven't done enough research yet to realize that the system runs better on 98 than XP. It makes perfect sense in retrospect. Luckily I think I still have a Win98 CD tucked away.
I also have several computers here at home I can choose from that are better than the one I'm currently using. I just figured I'd start at the "last known good" place and then advance to a better box once I knew the hardware worked.
Since you mentioned "hog heaven". Can you articulate what that looks like? What is an optimal setup for PARIS in your opinion? I've got a couple decent Dell desktops sitting around that are probably almost 2 GHz and maybe 1 GB RAM.This is just my own take on it, but since PARIS has built in DSP for EQ, faders and basic FX at (effectively) zero latency, "Hog heaven" would be defined as sufficient CPU and RAM to also populate all available VST slots (64 for a one-card system) with reasonably CPU-hungry plugins. To me that's a good yardstick for a basic system. We got to that level of horsepower with Athlons quite a few years ago if I recall correctly.
After that, to me, more horsepower is about running other software, or multi-card operation (hence more VST slots to fill up).
Those Dells sound worth a try - hey, the price is right, and that's *ample* performance.(or not)
Hi all
Well our nine year trek to record and release this CD has finally come to an end when we picked up the CD's yesterday.
The CD is called Beyond Opposites and covers wide spectrum of genres from country to jazz fusion to hard rock to.....a couple of songs off the CD can be found at http://ca.myspace.com/beyondopposites
This whole project began as a series of Wednesday afternoon jams between Mike Kay and myself back in 2000 and with a lot of help from our friends and guys on the Paris news group we finally got this puppy finished.
Special thanks go out to Jeff Knight who engineered some cool Sax tracks for the CD
We'll have our website and purchase links up soon but if anyone is interested in buying it now they can pick it up via Paypal
Just send me a PM and I'll forward the Paypal info to you
The price for the CD is $15.00 USD and that includes shipping to anywhere on the planet.
Thanks for reading
"I was finally able to launch and run PARIS versions 2.2 & 3.0 successfully with Chris Thoman's XP driver (thanks Mike for helping me find that)."
Do you literally mean the original XP driver or Mikes new one?
Do yourself a favor and buy Mike's cause it fixes tons of known problems and is way more stable
On another note... Refurbs from Computer stores are sometimes a good option. The Microcenter in my area has about 200 IBM P4 512 MB 120 GB XP boxes stacked up for $150 bucks each!
Chuck
Yep. Since I figured Mike pretty much wrote the book on XP setup & configuration I asked him for some guidance getting set up since I'd never used it before on XP. I told him I wanted a basic driver that would first prove that my PARIS hardware was still operational before I bought his driver.
When I was finally successful getting it running (albeit with this recording freeze) I sent an email to him asking what his driver would bring to me above and beyond Chris'. Haven't heard back from him on that yet though. I'm 100% ready and willing to support his hard work if it brings me a stable & usable system.
With this forum post I was hoping maybe I'd hear from someone who walked this same path before me and could vouch for the fact that Mike's driver would solve my recording freeze, or conversely hear from anyone who's gone the XP route but ultimately reverted back to 98 for the sake of ultimate usability.
Is there a thread here where a variety of folks have weighed in on the usability of PARIS on 98 vs XP, or is it still "no contest" in 98's favor even with Mike's driver?Hi, hope you don't think I was calling you out for not buying Mikes driver
ChuckOh no definitely not. I'm a programmer too though so I wanted to acknowlege my appreciation and support for the work he's doing.Hi Kerry,
The writing on the wall says that the old forum is not coming back, and I would like to occasionally participate here, but am finding it really hard to figure out the best way to use this forum.
Is there any way to get a hierarchical view of the forum?
I just can't seem to get it to work. I switched to treeview mode but when I click individual links on the treeview nothing happens.
ChuckPM me a link to a forum where it works the way you'd like to see it work - Frank at FUDforum is pretty responsive to requests, and since it's open source we can also modify it ourselves to do pretty much whatever we like.
I just changed a setting to "allow tree view for threads" (it defaults to "off" because they say it's CPU intensive, but I'm sure they're talking about larger forums than this) so give that a try and see if it improves things.
- K
sorry don't know how to do this myself. Hopefully someone else will speak up...
"Warning: In a multi-card PARIS system, the Interface 2 cannot be attached directly to an EDS-1000 card - it can only be connected to an Interface 442 or Interface MEC".
oops - I see you tried that already. Still, now you know Card 3 *won't* work.Thanks guys. So, maybe I have a broken IF2? Or, does anyone know, is there something special I need to do in the software to make it visible? bump
A little over two weeks (and it sounds freakin' awesome).
My guess is that since they know that was previously an issue, they're going to be inclined to be particularly on their toes about it this time. If the situation were reversed, I would be - lots of folks who are serious about their business use formal tools like SWOT analysis nowadays, and figuring out ways to improve each weakness (say a PR challenge) is one of the crucial steps.Not a word. I'll post anything the minute I get it.This link shows how it looks over here - first inside the thread in Tree View and then backing out and looking at the Main Subforum in Tree View (using the "back" button on my mouse between post viewings).
- KHey Leda, did you get this sorted out?Was ensoniq paris the main competitor for pro tools HD in the 90s
what was the price of ensoniq paris components when they where new in the 90s? MEC, EDS, 8 in/out, Adat etc
Was it basically pro tools HD and Paris in terms of hi end digital recording during that time?
I'm guessing Paris was a top of the line digital system at the time it was released?
It's nice to see they have a link to this forum as well as your Paris KIWI page on the Paris legacy page.
It's been at least a year since the last OS poll, so I figured it was time for a check-in. We'll keep this one open for a much longer sample window than last time so we can get a better count - chime in and be counted
(With the new 64-bit drivers I've added appropriate options)Yeah, PARIS was intended to go head-to-head with the more expensive ProTools at the time. There was no ProTools HD at that time, and wouldn't be for years to come - I think we'd just got to ProTools Mix when the PARIS project folded.
PARIS was spoken of as a "ProTools Killer". It may not have hit that ambitious target from the POV of business, but it might have been fairly accurate from a sonic perspective. In those days PT was an utter disgrace in comparison (I was using both simultaneously for a while). PT's come a long way since then, and HD is vastly improved over the crap Digi was shovelling back then. But even with the improvements of HD, the sonic character and handling characteristics of PARIS, while a matter of taste, still fit my own musical tastes much better.
As far as prices - Canadian dollars have fluctuated between par and 2/3 of a USD in the intervening years. But if I recall accurately, when I helped a friend buy a PARIS rig during its production years, after taxes a Bundle III with a MEC card or two cost over $8000 CAD. Say five or six grand US. And even at that price it was a bargain compared to buying a similarly configured PT rig.
*snort* @ KIWI page.
We aren't from France any more?
Hey gang,
I purchased the Paris Bundle 2 (442) and version 1.12 (I think) in '97 because the MEC wasn't even available yet. Six months later I did the Ensoniq upgrade deal, which was to return the 442 for the MEC and add something like $500 with one 8-in card. I then had a minimal bundle 3 system. It had one MEC and one 8-in card, one EDS, one C16 and the software on floppy discs. I believe it total'd out at $4,060.00. I used this config thru 2004.
Since 2004, I've added 3 more EDS, another MEC, another C16 and two more 8-in's and two IF-2's totaling out at about $1,300.00 more.
I'm all smiles
wayneOh I forgot to mention . . . my other options were a stand alone hard disc recorders with something like 640 meg capacity or an ADAT. I forget the pricing on those. PT was out of my price range so not an option. I don't even remember considering it and I don't remember what the price was.
But I remember thinking that I'd couldn't keep too many songs on the stand alone hard disc recorder and I was trying to get away from tape. I had gone from 4 track to 8 track "cassette" systems.
The music store rep asked me to wait one month (approx late summer '97 when I was in the market for a new recording system) for this "new" Ensoniq computer based system, I waited. I already owned the MR-76 and thought that it was one of the best sounding keyboards of it's time for organ, strings, drum kits, electric and acoustic pianos.
I had a hope that the PARIS system would be of the same caliber and quality. I didn't even consider the sonic quality. Yeah, that's right. I didn't even know it was an issue. I just assumed all ADC's did what they needed to do and once digitized that was it. I was naive to digital sonic differences. So, when I saw the in store demo shortly there after, I knew it was right for me, because I could edit so easily and it had a 4 band parametric and built in efx's, so I initially sunk in the approx $3,459.00 for the bundle 2. I was in heaven.
Many years later and thanks to this newsgroup, I have become much more sonically literate. Still smiling.
wayne
rick wrote on Sat, 13 June 2009 06:34
so lets enter the "free" vst plg ins as a group...how can we lose
Yeah, anyone hit the "Free" stuff button. There is nothing in there free worth looking at. I was hoping to see a copy of Paris 3.1 for free... but no....
Hey guys gotta question about the FXpansion wrapper thing. Is this just for UAD -> Paris or is this a good VST wrapper for other purposes?
I recently purchased CD Architect (CDA) 5.2 for red book CD writing and unfortunately Sony hasn't moved to the 21st century yet in the VST support. Sony recommends purchasing the wrapper that is used by Cakewalk, but I am not too keen on purchasing a wrapper for using something I already have. I would like to use my UAD-2 plugins in the CDA.
I did google free wrappers, but the few I found I can't figure out. The directions/instructions are written by someone from outer space or something...
Hopefully I understand the basics. The purpose of the VST Wrapper is to allow a host program to use the VST plugins like a DirectX plugin. Is that correct? If this FXpansion could work with my CDA, I would put the .dll in the audio (plugin) folder. But how would I see my UAD-2 VST plugins? They'll show up in this wrapper window? Just trying to understand a little better.
it's good for all VST's that I'm aware of
I think
Hello everyone..
I bought a Paris 3.0 System off of ebay last year it appears to be brand new looking. the MEC came with 2 analog ins, 2 adat ins, 2 analog outs, and a smpte card. the cards are all black, except the smpte. the mec is a blue paris pro model. it also came with a c16pro, the scsi cable and ethernet cable, and a os 9.3 mac g4 with 2 eds cards. and all the discs and manuals etc.
before i ever experimented with the system i noticed that one of the eds cards was corroding pretty bad, so i bought a new one from thesoniq, and installed it. I started paris up and set that card as the master. restarted paris, and well, I cant get the c16 to light up or do anything, and when i open a new project and click on any other "window" besides the mixer window, the system freezes and i have to hard reset the g4.
this g4 also has the oasys pci card installed on it, if that matters.
I havent been able to do anything with this system yet. I dont know what to do besides either uninstalling paris and reloading it or buying a new dedicated xp pc, or something.
any suggestions?
Thanks Kerry. That looks good, but when I click a link in the treeview nothing happens.
ChuckNot familiar with MAC setups but have you tried just one EDS card and seeing if that works.
Do you have the three cross over cables required to connect the two EDS cards together?
I'll leave any further info to our MAC guysOK, that's weird. You're not seeing the same behaviour as in that screencast? I suppose you've already cleared your cache. I'll enquire with Frank but I need a bit more info; what's your browser/OS?Sounds like a connection issue - that is: the connection from the EDS 1000. I don't
think it's a driver or software problem. I would try as Don suggested, just one card
first, see if you can get that running before adding the 2nd card...
I have a 2 card system on Mac OS 9.2.2 and the only time I had a problem similar
was when I bent a connection pin and shorted the card (and the MEC). Did you
consult with the guy at TheSoniq at all?
Ted
kekenalii wrote on Fri, 03 July 2009 01:58
Hello everyone..
before i ever experimented with the system i noticed that one of the eds cards was corroding pretty bad, so i bought a new one from thesoniq, and installed it
How badly is it corroding? I don't suppose you could upload a photo, could you? It might give us an idea of whether it can be salvaged.Pretty sure he's swapped that particular card out of the system...
Ted Gerber wrote on Sun, 05 July 2009 14:11
Pretty sure he's swapped that particular card out of the system...
I was thinking more that if it's not hard to salvage he could put one more card in his system for the cost of a little elbow grease Bump for some OS polling action!
- KHey everyone, I'm sort of betting heavy on this one, and was wondering if anyone has some experience to lend to it. I know some people have posted about similar ideas before, so I hope you can save me some hassle.
I'm trying to set up a mobile PARIS rig using a 2006 MacBook Pro, a Magma 3-PCI chassis (with CardBus/PCMCIA host interface), and my 442.
To make the hardware work, I bought an ExpressCard34 -> CardBus adapter, which connects the MBP to the Magma chassis. In OSX, the System Profiler recognizes that the PCI Bridge is present, but can't see the EDS card (which makes sense, since there's no Scherzo driver for OSX).
I plan on installing XP (via Boot Camp) to run the system, but I'm not 100% sure Mike Audet's new drivers will work with the Magma PCI Bridge drivers. Has anyone tried this before? Is it likely to work?
TIA for the help!
MattHmm, I don't know specifically about the Magma PCIBridge, but TC is the reigning expert on using an MBP and chassis to run PARIS. You've seen this thread already, I'd imagine?
- K
Somebody already had apogee Lynx Mytec or whatever modern hi-end AD/DA plugged into an adat card in paris ?
Can you talk about this ? on what recorded sources did you tried, and do you feel it worth an upgrade from stock paris conveters ? Does 16 bits limtation is an issue ?
Assuming i mostly proceeed outboard for mixing, i noticied a slight degradation when just DA /AD a track (plug the out in the in) in 24 bits, not a big deal but...
Thanks for inputs,
Damien
What you call "degradation", others call "mojo"
PARIS convertors were excellent for the day, but even in 1998 they weren't considered the "top of the line" like Apogee - although they were closer to that quality than many of the other offerings of that day (can you say "AudioWerks 8"? Pfeh). I like the slight "mojo" myself (my ear hears it as "musical and pleasing") but it's not "crystalline and pure".
Before you invest in external convertors, have you tried clocking it to a higher quality external source? PARIS' internal clock was excellent for its time but folks have reported noticeable gains by clocking it to higher quality external sources.
Hi Kerry,
Did not clocked externally so far. I was told it could be an notiecable improvement in a multiple MEC rig. I use Two EDS one MEC.
I am using Mike's new drivers under XP with an SBS Bit-3 PCI expander....no significant problems.
-PhilHoly Crap!
First, I met with Ted this afternoon to work on the Liquid mix. He'll have details, but it was a lot fun.
After he left, I kept playing with wrappers, and I discovered a way to get UAD plugins to run under PARIS with 2.9 ms latency.
Thanks so much to Demitrios for putting me on to FFX4. Here's what I did.
1) Disable DX in PARIS
2) Wrap the UAD plugin with the DirectiXer wrapper. Inside DirectiXer is a setting under the options tab called "use equally sized buffers." Click that so that it is on.
3) Point the PARIS VST path at FFX4.
4) Run PARIS and open your wrapped UAD plugin under FFX and voila, 128 sample buffers.
I've only tried this so far with the LA2A, but I loaded up 8 instances, and they seem to all work fine.
I'll post back when I've tried some more plugs.
Holly crap!
MikeOk, I tried it with the VCA VU, and it worked, but I could only get 4 copies running before the audio started crapping out. I don't know how I got 8 going because I can't repeat that - maybe in my excitement I got mixed up.
It looks like I can only get 4 copies going no matter what, which may be one per card. It's still cool, though.
MikeHoly crap indeed - I might have to weaken and get one of those puppies. Welcome back!
- KI've got 2 EDS on and one MEC.
There is a noticable cleanliness with an external clock.
Mud goes away and the kick and bass feel separated now. Also a bit more open and deep in field.
wayneSo -
This may not be a big deal to you folks, but since I am a fan of the Focusrite
Liquid Mix, it's a big deal to me. Today I made the 2 hour trek to Mike Audet's house
to load up the LM drivers and emulations to see if this Firewire equipped external
DSP box would behave with Paris under XP loaded up with Mike's drivers.
It worked great. After our first tests of inserting it on a track and trying a few VST
wrappers, we found the "stereo" emulations (even on a mono track) worked flawlessly. The only thing we couldn't get happening was "Render tracks with Native Plug Ins", which crashed Paris. There was a bottleneck on the Firewire bus. I will be checking with Focusrite to see if there are better Firewire cards than what Mike currently has loaded. The thing is though, I don't really use this feature in rendering. It was introduced with Vers. 3.0 (8 years ago?) as a way to save CPU. With both way more powerful computers now usable (with Mike's drivers) and the outboard DSP of LM, the need to render with Native plugs is pretty much a non feature now.
We tested up to 10 tracks with it loaded and there was no performance hit. We ran out of time to go further.
So- remaining things to check are:
a/ how many instances are available with the standard LM box,
b/ how many instances are available with the expansion card for LM
c/ is anything affected (firewire bottleneck?) at 48K
d/ is the latency for LM the same whether an emulation is actually loaded or not
(this would help in that you could load up one instance per track as your default
mix - giving access to one EQ and one Compressor for each instance - keeping all the tracks time aligned at least off the top).
Big thanks to Mike for letting me into his home and spending the time to experiment. I am planning on migrating from Mac to PC in the Fall.
TedI just spent some time on this a few months ago.
I found the AD conversion improved when I used a Lucid GenX word clock generator on the Paris converters. Then I found another improvement with the Focusrite AD converters that are loaded up in my ISA 428 box (also clocked to the Lucid) sending out 20 bits into the Paris ADAT card. Then I found yet another improvement by sending the same signal out at 24 bits into the MEC S/PDIF input. Then I found the best signal by swapping out the Lucid clock and using the Apogee Big Ben.
So I bought the Apogee and use it to clock the ISA AD converters.
TedRats - how do you get those little smiley things to work?Oh -
Since Mike has 4 UAD cards loaded up in his rig, we compared the UAD emulations to the Liquid Mix by instantiating an LA2A from each manufacturer on two adjacent tracks with the same audio. We "roughly" set the levels for output and gain reduction by ear to compare.
They are very, very similar.
TJust put your cursor where you want the smiley and then click on the one you want, and that'll insert it at the cursor's location.
Perhaps you tried to drag them into your message? That'd give you something like this:
javascript:%20insertTag(document.post_form.msg_body,%20'',%2 0'%20:(%20');
And another bump so I can put a definitive list on the Wiki.
Interesting informations here,
Wayne, did you feel one of those improvement a major leap compared to the other ?
By the way, i wondered if ADAT transfert could be less accurate than SPDIF 24 bits, and your first hand experience make this looking like a valid point.
Thks guys.Hi Damien -
The biggest improvement came with either the ISA converters instead of the Paris converters or the word clock by itself added to the paris converters. Either one yielded a very similar improvement. Both together (ISA AD with the Lucid) was a bigger bump in clarity and definition, without getting too clinical. The Big Ben was another bump up, but less than adding the Lucid in the first place. The 24 bit S/PDIF vs. the 20 bit ADAT had the least impact but one that I thought I heard nonetheless. (By the way, the ISA has 24 bit straight out, and dithering to 20 bit available. I used both options and if I was sending out to the ADAT cards, I preferred the dithering down to 20 bit approach).
These are all subjective, personal conclusions of course.
Also - As a further experiment, I tracked to Cubase, with the same mics and pres using both the setup described above (ISA/Big Ben) and a Lynx Aurora 8 AD/DA ( a fantastic unit at a great price) and I preferred the ISA/Big Ben combo. It seemed the image was bigger and more forward. Both had great clarity and 3D images. I ran out of time to try the Aurora 8 clocked to the Big Ben, which is what a certain big wig at Mercenary Audio says he prefers over the Apogee AD16x (with or without the Big Ben). Since I couldn't afford both the Aurora and the Big Ben, and since I already had the ISA with ADAT out in my rig, I was too concerned to try this combo.
Good luck
Ted"Since I couldn't afford both the Aurora and the Big Ben, and since I already had the ISA with ADAT out in my rig, I was too concerned to try this combo."
Meant to say - I wasn't too concerned to try this combo...
Ted Gerber wrote on Wed, 08 July 2009 08:35
...which is what a certain big wig at Mercenary Audio says he prefers over the Apogee AD16x
Ted
Gee would that be Fletcher...nice guy, quite knowledgeable and very quick to share his opinions
hehehe
understood.
The bad new is, as always, "you want better ? spend money ! ".
The good news is i can't wait to listen to a better sounding paris, as it already sounds good !
Awesome, good to know. I hope it plays as well with the PCMCIA-PCI bridge. Thanks!!Since the early days of Paris I have been yearning for the ability to put either EDS plugs, or VST and DX plugs on entire submixes. It seems like this should be possible.
Anyone know of a work around? Is there some magic that can be done in the patch bay? Or is one of our resident geniuses working on some new code that will add that feature?
Of course, you can always mix down individual submixes to two track and then load the summed tracks into panned channels on a mixer, but who has time for that?
If there have been any discoveries in this realm, please let me know.
PhilI tried skinning the OS9 version (with ResEdit) a while ago using the instructions for the Windows executable, and it didn't work - I think mostly because the offsets are different. Someone with more knowledge of OS9's executable structure than I could probably figure it out, though...Man, it's been a long time since I set PARIS up on a PC, but I have to do it again very soon, so I'll pull out my old .cfg file for you and post it as soon as I find it, if you haven't got it settled already.I believe Dimitros found a way but for the life of me I can't remember what it was...you might try contacting himEDS "bus compression" by submix is pretty straightahead. This tip is courtesy of Dimitrios - correct me if I've got anything wrong, folks.
For the sake of this example, let's say you have drum tracks on channels one to ten in one of your submixes (although you can use this technique for as many of the submix's tracks as you like). Find an unused aux in the submix (let's say it's AUX 1). Name it "DRUM BUS" (or something similar).
Now, on each channel from 1-10:
- Set AUX 1 send "on"
- Set AUX 1 send to "pre-fader"
- mute each channel strip
All your drums should now be coming through the AUX 1 bus only, ready for stereo processing like compression. Latency between submixes is measurable in imperceptible fractions of a millisecond, so that's only a factor when considering phase; because all the drums are being sent to the same bus the phase relationships between them are maintained.
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"Parallel bus compression" (feeding a "squashed" copy of the drums up underneath uncompressed drums to add body and impact without killing dynamics) is similar.
Follow the steps for bus compression, but set up *two* auxes instead of one (one for a "dry bus" and one for "squashed"). It's important to put the same compressor on *both* auxes. Open the compressor on the "dry" (unprocessed) drum bus and set the threshold to its highest (zero) and set the ratio to zero. The signal will now pass through the compressor *without* being affected. Close that compressor.
Now open the compressor on your "squashed" bus and go crazy - squash the drums hard. Blend the squashed signal up underneath the dry, to taste.
Hehehe...Hi,
AND
Every submix has a separate spdif out !!!
Yes if you have a mec connected to other than submix 1 (main) then the spdif outputs and inputs ONLY that specific out of the submix.
Now you can imagine some benefits...
Regards,
Dimitrios Yes good point, I'd forgotten that. Thanks Dimitrios and Kerry!
T
Dimitrios wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 06:10
Hi,
AND
Every submix has a separate spdif out !!!
Yes if you have a mec connected to other than submix 1 (main) then the spdif outputs and inputs ONLY that specific out of the submix.
Now you can imagine some benefits...
Regards,
Dimitrios
I did *not* know that! Man, I'm getting excited at that thought!
Dimitrios, I've been going through your contributions over the many years - your work on plugins and routing tricks has been nothing short of incredible.
One of my ambitions is to clean up some of those great ideas and turn them into their own Wiki mini-tutorials. You never need these tricks until you *really* need them - fast and fluidly - and I reckon step-by-step tutorials will help folks get over the hurdle of using them in practice.
I'm just now taking my first steps into screencasts (lots of free software out there now like Jing or CamStudio). I think they have the potential to show how easy these routing techniques actually are. I'll undoubtedly be asking your opinion about "most important tricks" for the Wiki.
Thanks for all you've done for PARIS over the years!
Ted Gerber wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 06:20
Yes good point, I'd forgotten that. Thanks Dimitrios and Kerry!
T
Forgive my overly-detailed reply, by the way, Ted - I know you know this stuff, I'm writing with half an eye towards making a clear step-by-step tutorial for other folks encountering this technique for the first time.Most definitely a big thanks to Dimitros for his contributions.
Unlike Deej's Frankenparis machines that manipulated the time space continuum to achieve awesome results - Dimitros' workarounds could actually be understood by mere mortals.
By the way - new feature added to the forums, YouTube embedding. Hopefully we'll get a button up to automate this at some point, but for now just copy the video's YouTube ID (this one's ID, for example is "5YGc4zOqozo" and type "YOUTUBE" open and close tags on either side. The finished product should look like the following (replace my angle brackets with square ones):
<YOUTUBE>5YGc4zOqozo</YOUTUBE>
mattcelt wrote on Wed, 08 July 2009 12:04
Someone with more knowledge of OS9's executable structure than I could probably figure it out, though...
I gave it a shot using tools on OSX too (since I was asked previously, just for clarity I'm talking about trying to skin the *OS9* app on a computer running OSX). No luck. Folks with active knowledge of OS9 coding are getting rarer, so if anyone wants to take this on...
What we *really* need to aid re-skinning PARIS is a simple app that opens the exe, swaps out the image resources by name, and prompts a "save as". That would allow us to package the skins for easy swapping.
Jim and Mike have done the graphic work; if someone gets inspired to take on the coding side, much of what's needed may already be available on sourceforge.net.Hey Phil - I added the "light bulb" icon to this thread, seemed like a good way to mark "tips" discussions.OK - Dimitrios, I'll get around to testing later myself, but - would this work?
Let's assume you have 2 EDS cards and 2 MECs. You have all of your drums on Submix 2. Everything else is on Submix 1. You still have two free channels on Mixer 1. So -
1) Take MEC 2 and physically cable its SP/DIF OUT to MEC 1's SP/DIF IN.
2) Prepare your drum bus "sends":
- open the patch bay and drag in the MEC MASTER-B and MIXER-B objects.
- cable the MIXER-B L and R outs to MEC MASTER-B's "dL" and "dR"connections, which send the submix to MEC B's digital outs.
- drag them back into the Object List (top R) to unclutter the workspace for the next operation.
[question - is that step even needed? or do they just show up already? do we need to break the audio connection to *subtract* Submix 2 from the global mix so the drums *just* show up in the two channel strips in Submix 1?]
3) Prepare your drum bus "receive":
- open the patch bay and drag in the MEC MASTER-A and MIXER-A objects.
- cable MEC MASTER-A's "dL" and "dR" to a pair of channels in MIXER-A.
- hit "M" to call up the mixer and turn on "Show Groupings" ("Settings" menu)
- assign those two channels to an unused group, linking their Faders, EQs and Auxes as "absolute" and their pan as "absolute" on one side and "inverse" on the other
4) Voila - your drums (or for that matter "background vocals", or "string section" or "horn section") are now on those two channels, ready to automate globally, put VST FX on, put EDS FX on, slap NoLimit across...
Am I misunderstanding something? It can't really be that simple, can it?
[additional question: would this work with ADAT modules?]
[edited to add further: each time we get a killer procedure like this, I want to workshop it here on the forums until there's no possibility of it being misunderstood, and then commit it to the Wiki - say, for folks who are in the middle of a mix and need a workaround and need a clear and definitive step-by-step. Or just for folks like myself that confuse easily ]Hi Damien,
Sorry it took so long to get back. I'm involved in letters to Congress. Another story.
Anyway. What I heard was clarity and tightness on the A to D tracking and playback using the Apogee Big Ben at 44k narrow.
Another stereo field improvement came from using the digital MEC s/pdif out to the Benchmark DAC and to Adams A7 monitors. I think this bypasses the DA of the MEC.
I'm very happy with this system setup. Warm and tight and it doesn't change the Paris sound. Easier to mix too.
I tried each component individually and each had improvement. My biggest listening improvement came from the Adams. I used Yamaha NS-10s prior with a weak Alesis RA-100. My best tracking improvement came from Big Ben and I'd say the Benchmark assisted in clarity and stereo field. What it told me is that Paris does indeed have excellent converters to begin with.
Each component helped but not increditably. Just noticable. All together it's wonderful. But it cost $3K. Approximately $1K for each component. That pretty much blew my budget for the year.
It should be noted that, part of my former playback system included the MEC mains out (MEC D to A converters) to a Mackie 1604vlz. The Mackie created some harshness and mud which is gone now since it is no longer in the playback chain.
Lastly, I can hear a distinct clarity and tightness with headphones plug'd into the Benchmark DAC over the MEC headphone out. The MEC headphone outs used to be my favorite for listening but the Benchmark blows them away.
wayneFor the last few days I can't seem to get on the newsgroup. Did I miss something? Is it no longer there at this address?
Lou GuarinoHey Lou - Kim's PARIS NG has been AWOL for two months now. As far as I know, nobody's heard a word from Kim; we're quite concerned. I'll post news here as soon as I have any to report.
kerryg wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 08:39
Ted Gerber wrote on Thu, 09 July 2009 06:20
Yes good point, I'd forgotten that. Thanks Dimitrios and Kerry!
T
Forgive my overly-detailed reply, by the way, Ted - I know you know this stuff, I'm writing with half an eye towards making a clear step-by-step tutorial for other folks encountering this technique for the first time.
Nothing to forgive my friend. Thanks for all the effort you make.
On another note, I have the feeling that a bunch of folks have slipped by the wayside since we've migrated to this new platform. AA, Jamie K. James McCl etc etc
Glad to see Louis and Dimitrios post, hope others find us hanging here too...
On yet another note - Kerry I'll be in Vancouver briefly the weekend of Aug 14, it's unlikely I'll be able to steal time (wedding Friday, off to the Island on Sun for a week then up into the mountains north of Kamloops for a few days) but if I can, I'd love to grab a beer or a coffee with you...
TedLou I haven't been able to get on Kim's newsgroup for weeks and weeks...That'd be great, Ted! I PM'd you my number.
I've seen AA here, don't recall if Jamie or James were by yet - they might simply be browsing anonymously (fourteen or more anonymous browsers at one time isn't uncommon, and they can't *all* be bots ).
Hi Folks -
A number of months ago, I checked with Aaron A, who produced the BT Paris Instructional DVD, regarding its copyright status, and was assured that the spirit and intent of all involved in its production would now allow for its free distribution to any Paris user who wanted a copy.
SO - I have a small CD/DVD dup/rep business going and would like to offer free copies (DVD-Rs) of the Brian Tankersley/Aaron Allen Paris Instructional DVD to anyone who would like one. All you have to do is send me your mailing address and I will copy it for you and mail it out. No charge. I'll even cover the postage for those in North America. I'm afraid S America, Europe, Aus etc are a bit out of my reach for free postage, but anyone who wants to send me a cheque to cover mailing from those locales will also get the disc copied gratis.
There is a time limit on this offer - the end of this calendar year. Orders have to be received by Dec 31, 2009.
Please notify me by email at: tedgerberatrogersdotcom with the subject heading BT/Paris DVD. I will reply with confirmation. (If you don't hear back from me within 48 hours, please try again, your original request may have gone to my junk file...)
Peace
Ted
Thanks all for your kind words !
I do not feel that I did anything though...
Hi,
Putting submix 2 back into 1 this would double the tracks heard...
You should find a way of turning off tracks at submix 2...
Maybe use aux to send to spdif out and put them prefade so you can mute them...
You can always put a hardware compressor, reverb, Ensoniq DP-4 at spdif loop...
Regards,
DimitriosOne of my most interesting findings was senderella vst plugin that would let Paris have busses at 0 latency !
You would need to make EDSTransfer 8,8 or better 8,16.
I did that and had great success but at that time I had a couple of EDS cards going bad and I was afraid that I put extra heat with this eds transfer thing ( I have read that somewhere else too..) so I stopped doing it.
Tjis way you could send ACROSS submixes any tracks realtime to another paris track and put a DX or EDS effect on all of them as a sum.
So you could put all drumtracks to an empty paris track and put your favourite DX compressor to all of them and all of these at 0 latency !!
Anyone brave enouph to work on this ???
Maybe by using some extra fans or something...
Regards,
Dimitrios
[just changed typo in thread title - k]Thanks all for this,
Does the "ADAT - external converter" chain increase latency ? Did someone tested it ?
With stock stuff, paris is 1.3 @ 48K in to out, witch is one of the reasons i like this system (despite i found no way to align perfectly tracks who have been processed externally).
I think the only way to avoid routing tracks in the output of a submix, while faders pushed is to :
- double all tracks (same audiofiles same console settings)
- groups absolute faders of each track and its "brother"
- phase reverse each doubled track
So you can keep your aux send post fader post pan, you keep the stereo and you still use faders for mixing.
Problem is : you are limited to 8 tracks, and maybe 7, if you want to route back your stereo aux in two tracks.
eeee, never tested, pure speculation.
EDIT :
OOOPS : Kerry already suggested this...Wow! You stay away for a spell, and you loose track! Hope all is well with Kim. I will check here from now on.
I didn't realize it had been that long. I just noticed that the last few times I went there, I couldn't connect.
Thanks guys
LouI'd like to second the words of thanks.
Thanks!
Gantt
Tom Bruhl wrote on Mon, 01 June 2009 21:55
Hi Kerry,
Thanks for keeping things afloat here. I keep reading the posts and am encouraged by the skins thread. I'm always using Paris and continually looking for progress. Yeah.
Thanks as always,
Tom
Hey guys, I am dead in the water, Paris got REAL WEIRD last night. It is now playing bits of several projects at once, and some tracks wont play at all. I've looked at the patch bay, all is well. I removed the 2 eds cards, and reinstalled them, and the problem persists. I'm running a G4 with OS 9.1. I believe I need to do a Reinstall, which I've never done before! Do I need to back up the 60gigs of audio on my drive before doing an Uninstall - Reinstall procedure? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm unemployed until I get it fixed!
John Houston wrote on Fri, 10 July 2009 11:41
Hey guys, I am dead in the water, Paris got REAL WEIRD last night. It is now playing bits of several projects at once, and some tracks wont play at all. I've looked at the patch bay, all is well. I removed the 2 eds cards, and reinstalled them, and the problem persists. I'm running a G4 with OS 9.1. I believe I need to do a Reinstall, which I've never done before! Do I need to back up the 60gigs of audio on my drive before doing an Uninstall - Reinstall procedure? Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I'm unemployed until I get it fixed!
Uh oh! That's not good. Let's clarify - the issue is that you open projects, hit play, the Now Line rolls over the segments on the screen, the audio plays in its expected location - but the wrong audio (say audio from another song or album) is coming out?
Seen that one before. In my case, it wasn't anything to do with PARIS, the audio HD's "catalog" became damaged so it lost its sense of what audio data belongs to what file. Remember that if you have virtual (rendered) submixes *they* could be confused too, whole submixes from another song might get inserted in the background of your song.
First DO NOT SAVE ANYTHING NEW to that drive until you've done the next steps, (who knows what it might think is "free space" on that drive in its confused condition?). Run Disk First Aid on that drive immediately and see what it says. If it hits a snag and can't proceed - sometimes running it several times in succession eventually clears the problem.
Of course if you've got DiskWarrior, just go straight to that - it *rocks* for clearing that sort of stuff up. Let it rebuild and replace the catalog.
Sometimes this stuff's a big deal (your hard drive might be getting ready for the Big Dirt Nap). Sometimes (most often, in my recollection) it's just in need of the catalog being fixed and then everything goes back to normal.
Maybe we should ask Mike Audet if there's a way to redirect the output of one of the submixes down at the PARIS Studio Control Library level. Have it come out... somewhere else...
Mike?
Now I am starting to freak out! I bought the drive Brand New in oct. 2008. Its a Western Digital Caviar. I just ran the Mac utility on it, 5 times in a row, and it tells me it CAN'T repair somthing called a POEP file? I do have Disc Warior somewhere, I think? I know I have Norton, but I'm not sure I trust it, as it's an older version. But yes, those are the symtoms, its like having 7 radios tuned to different stations. It does NOT however play all the tracks on the Edit window. For instance, tracks 1 and 2 have audio on them, I hit the solo button, and hear nothing. On one project I show 16 tracks on the playing field, and it lets me hear 2 of them! So I fear there may be no point in doing a reinstall. A... *what*... file? Years of Mac consulting back in the day, but I've never even heard of that.
Don't freak out - if that drive's fairly new, the odds go up that it's something small and quite easily fixed. Catalog damage can be serious, but most of the time it's pretty easily fixed and then everything returns to normal.
If Disk First Aid is choking on fixing something, that means a) we *definitely* have a suspect, and b) you MUST get DiskWarrior on the job as soon as possible (stay away from Norton Utilities as a solution at all costs - it sucks terminally and can lead to data loss). Let's see what Disk Warrior has to say about all this.Wow, nice to see that there's still an active Paris community.
I'm entering the final touches for getting my studio together, and was wondering what I was going to do about a DAW. I figured Paris was totally dead (my hardware still works, but it's a 6+ year old computer). I debated moving to SSL's soundscape. But then I found this group (again).
So, what does it take to get Paris going again? My current setup is 2xEDS & a UAD-1 (which I could replace with one of their newer units if push comes to shove). What mobo's have PCI slots that work with paris? Do I need to get an expansion chassis (kindof a bummer considering how bulky the MEC is already)?
Are there any hardware guides?
What else is new (other than the multi-core drivers)?
Cheers
KrisOk, some more pointed questions...
Does SSL Duende work with Paris (PC)?
Does UAD-2 Work with Paris?
How about the Waves SSL Plugins?
Cheers
KrisYup-I bought the first two in Wisconsin for about $4200.00. They were the MEC, EDS 1000, Control-16 and software. Back then I ran it on a 100 MHz Mac 7500 with only a 500 meg HD. All loaded G4s now. 9 of em'
Steve And another bump for "standing up and being counted" As far as the plugin questions go, I asked about the Waves plugins last fall and someone said they were using up to Vs4. UAD 2 should be OK on XP, just need PCI -PCIe adaptors. Last week we got the Focusrite Liquid Mix working fine with the exception that "render to disc with Native plugins" choked on the firewire bus. We have not yet explored other firewire card configs, so if you're looking at purchasing Duende, you might want to go the PCIe route (with adaptor). If you already have the firewire box, then you may not be able to do the render thing. For me though, the render option is not relevant if running Paris on a new fast XP based box, since the render function was designed 10 years ago to save CPU.
Ted
Stevehwan wrote on Sat, 11 July 2009 20:24
. All loaded G4s now. 9 of em'
Steve
All 9 cards? or all 9 G4s? Either way, pretty impressive!
Ted
There have been a bunch of requests for the DVD. Nice.
For those of you who may not know - the BT/Paris DVD is an instructional DVD produced by Aaron Allen with Brian Tankersley at his then Nashville studio. It contains chapters on work flow, patch bay set ups, compressors and plugins, bouncing, window views etc etc. Quite valuable if you're into using Paris.
Ted
Thanks Ted.
I'm so out of touch with what hardware is out there. I didn't know about the LiquidMix (I'll have to look into that...how's the latency BTW?). I'm excited to think that new life can be breathed into the Paris platform, and that I won't have to spend another $6K or so to get back into recording (I'd much rather put that cash into gear).
I found on Newegg.com's site that you can select # of PCI slots as a motherboard selection criteria. Still a few mobo's out there with 3 old style PCI slots. I'm not sure if there's something particular the the EDS cards need though, other than the old PCI form factor.
With the right mobo, PCI-PCIe adapters 'should' be unnecessary for the UAD-2 since you can put a PCI-1X card in a PCI-1,4,8 or 16 slot.
I'm glad to see that a Magma chassis doesn't appear necessary...
One more quick question. Does Paris 3.0 work on XP64 bit?
Cheers
KrisI just installed 2 EDS cards and 2 UAD cards on a Asus P5B board with an E9400 (???) quad core processor mounted in a Rackmount server case with two fans
Took very little effort to get everything working and to date I have had no issues with the system.
Hope that helps
DonHi Don,
Are you running UAD-1, or UAD-2? Also, what VSTwrapper (I assume these are still necessary). I think I still have the FXpansion wrapper somewhere. Is there anything newer, and better out there?
Cheers
KrisHey Kris
I'm running two UAD-1e Express Pak cards fully loaded.
I'm using fxpansion's wrapper as well as FFX4 chainer...seems to work nicely except for the God-Awful looking GUI but that's really nothing more than a visual issue.
I tried the Xlutop chainer (which has both stereo and mono functions) suggested by Erling but found it crashed PARIS so I went back to FFX4
Check out this thread for more info on wrappers and chainers http://kerrygalloway.com/ParisForums/index.php?t=msg&th= 14601&start=0& What about ripping the DVD and either putting segments on YouTube, or making the entire .iso available to people via a Torrent, or some other file sharing system?
Don -
Looking through that thread you were going to reload your Waves plugins. Do they work fine and if so, what version are you at with them?
Thanks
Ted
- this is for PC stuff (we'll collect the Mac stuff all up in one place as well soon, but it won't have changed significantly in the last five years)
- interesting info to add: using a wrapper? which one? any idea of latency? aside from it *working* - how do you like the plugin?
[Links are good too - to make a word you're typing into a link, find a link and copy it into your clipboard; select the words in your message that you want to turn into a link; hit the "link" icon (globe and chain) and paste the URL into the popup.]
You probably all know the free and excellent Blockfish, Spitfish and Floorfish from Digitalfishphones. They work great in PARIS.
Rocket Compressor from Stilwell works great, and it's an awesome compressor with its own great "mojo".Ahah, I think I just inadvertently duplicated the issue - I logged into the forums from my wife's XP laptop and tree view doesn't work properly from this computer. I'll report it as a bug; stick with flat view until we get it resolved (if Frank can duplicate it a fix shouldn't take long, he's pretty "on the ball").Ted, I took the liberty of sticky-ing this post at the top of the forums. Thank you so much for this extremely generous gift to the community!
- KerryYes they all loaded...waves diamond and the SSL bundle...will be looking at the API series soonPS: let us know how you get on, and if that solves the problem.4 cards, 2 mecs, 4 8in cards 1 adat card 2 8 out cards 2 cs16 Heya Philip - we have permission to do something like that, but Ted's offer is definitely better for those folks who don't permit their DAW PC to be physically connected to the internet.
I'm one of them. To me, computers are like that gal I dated in my youth. Love 'em; think the world of 'em; spend way too much time with 'em; wouldn't *dream* of trusting 'em. Thanx so much Kerry for your input. Oh, it was a PEOP, something or other, FILE was the wrong word to use. I email from home, and the infected computor is at work, or I'd look at it now. Disc Warrios it is then. ThanxHeya Kris - welcome to the forums!
Hmm... lemme see. new... That'd depend on when you last checked in, but there's been *quite* a lot going on in the last year.
- On XP, Mike Audet has a pretty comprehensive range of new plugs - grand total of five new reverbs (the DP series stuff is stellar), six new dynamics plugs, a metronome and an amp sim.
- You know about the new multicore drivers for XP - basically the field is wide open in terms of new computers, as long as they have enough free PCI slots or you use a chassis. The drivers kill a *lot* of old bugs, including the IRQ dance and the "multi ADAT card under XP" bug.
- Mike's got work well under way on the ASIO drivers; I have little doubt we'll be hearing from him shortly with a progress report.
- VirtuaVia chassis have been tested with PARIS and given the "thumbs up"; they're pretty exciting because they're a cheaper and simpler solution than Magma. We've got some folks who have been using them for six months now with no problems.
- We made contact with the Reaper guys again, and they quickly coded us direct PAF support - meaning track in PARIS and immediately open the same audio in Reaper. Better workflow for, say, drum editing.
- There's a swack of great new "skins" for PARIS, contributed by Mike Yanoska and Jim Drago, including a brushed aluminium and a "Neve".
- As far as web stuff, there are these forums, a blog, and of course the Wiki. There's a chat screen linked at the top too.
- Some big news recently: ID has relaunched itself in pro audio with a new website and a range of plugins, some very cool. Edmund's already asked if they could link the forum and Wiki from the PARIS support page.
I'm sure I've forgotten some stuff, but basically this past year has seen a staggering increase in potential system configurations which has future-proofed PARIS for years to come. And this coming year's shaping up nicely too. Welcome back!
PS: are you "Kris" as in "Kris in the Lower Mainland"? If so, double welcome back!I just fired off an email to Matt Craig (the last address I had for him was from 2005...we'll see what happens). I've been in sporadic contact with him over the years, since I sent my DP/Pro halfway around the world to him back around 2002 so he could debug/develop the EDS reverb code.
Buried somewhere in my collection of CD's is the Paris Development stuff that Matt gave me back in 2004. It has development versions of his 'BigBoy' reverb, and some other development code (which I'm pretty sure came from Chuck Duffy). At one point in time I thought about writing some EDS FX, but then reality set in (and I had a couple of kids, and no free time).
I can dig up that CD if there's interest (which I suspect there is).
Cheers
KrisHeya Kris - yep, definitely sounds interesting, I wonder if there's stuff on there that Mike Audet doesn't have?I'm jealous. Two cards, two MECs, two C16s, two 8ins and an ADAT card here. On the "medium term" list are two more ADAT cards, "long term" another Bundle III.OK, Frank asks "what is your browser/version? is JavaScript enabled? Any errors reported in the JavaScript console?" There might be an insight in there.
- KXP
IE7
Javascript enabled
No javascript errors, but when I hover there doesn't seem to be any javascript action in the status bar either.
Thanks
ChuckOK, passing that along, stay tunedAnd the reply -
Quote:
The user may have a problem on his system; or even a firewall or anti-virus program that blocks remote javascript (AJAX) calls.
Things to try:
- Check if other AJAX-based sites are working
- Try to disable firewall and/or anti-virus software
- Run a program like IEFix
- Upgrade to IE8
[FWIW, this sounds right for my wife's laptop, which is secured to the point of annoyance.]PS: does tree view work when you view the main FUDForum site?Yes.K, interesting. I have to go to work, but hopefully we'll nail this shortly. I suspect it's something I may inadvertently have done - a little knowledge is a dangerous thing Found Kerry's forum here after dogging the old newsgroup for a month or so. Can't get it to show up anywhere... web or OE... nuthin'! Anyone know anything? Is the hardware still running down under and has anyone heard from Kim? Startin to wonder if my man is still with us.
Mark WilsonMight be a start to finding out how he's doing....
Hiddensounds
20 Koonalda Ave
Glen Waverley, Victoria 3150
AU
Registrar: NAMESDIRECT
Domain Name: HIDDENSOUNDS.COM
Created on: 27-OCT-03
Expires on: 28-OCT-09
Last Updated on: 08-OCT-08
Administrative, Technical Contact:
Sauberg, Kim hiddensounds@hotmail.com
Hiddensounds
20 Koonalda Ave
Glen Waverley, Victoria 3150
AU
+613 9561-1410
Domain servers in listed order:
NS14.ZONEEDIT.COM
NS18.ZONEEDIT.COM
End of Whois Information
Hi Mark - we've had no word, and we've been quite concerned. The NG went down in the first week of May and hasn't been back up since.
Still, I'm not inclined to count the NG out yet - Kim's surprised us before. I'll hold the fort in his absence and we'll all continue to hope for the best for Kim. Please let us know if you get a reply!
- KerryOutside of concerns about Kim's welfare.... I would like to get NNTP back up and running.
The following is a really clean compact threaded Web interface to an NNTP server:
It's written in PHP. If Kerry can stand up this software, I will stand up an NNTP server.
This would give us the best of all worlds as far as I'm concerned.. FUD Forums interface for those who prefer it. A very compact threaded interface much like our old beloved site. NNTP access for newsreader users, and as a bonus, RSS (of course this site seems to already do that).
Let me know if there is any interest.
Chuck
In an earlier thread, the new plugins from ID were hi-lighted. In this thread on GearSlutz, one of the designers introduces them and references ID.
TedThat was all Swahili to me but if you're up for it by all means go for it
I got a call from my local GC rep just after my honeymoon.. I had been using the VS800(s).. Man, One listen to that demo...I knew and stated "This is something different..Warm, fuzzy, wide...Bottom end..MAN!!!
I ordered 2 months later in 1998.. Still my go to DAW when my butt is on the line..And, i still get ask to do mixes even when the project is on PT HD...
I love Paris. Always will..
I'm thinking a baptism by fire is in order.
4 cards..2 c16s, 2mecs and 1 442....I had this HD crash, took it in and they ran a utility on it so now it shows up again. However, this big tune that I spent a moth on won't open up. A dialog box comes up saying:
"Error in reading this project. There is not enough memory. Clearing the undo/redo buffer from the settings menu closing some windows may allow you to complete this operation".
Well.... with this song only, many of the options to click on under the Settings menu to include the undo/redo are greyed out, meaning you can't click on it. I need help!
Steve Well, after swapping the eds cards, and attempting diskwarrior, which didn't help, I expect your first inclination was right. Although it is a new hard drive 6 or 7 months old, it seems to be JUNK! I have a Hammond session in Las Vegas tommorow, and I here COSTCO is running a sale on some more Western Digital (junk?) hard drives, so I'll be picking up another and transfering my files and folders to the new one. Thankfully the screwed up drive still boots up. As I've noted here on this great forum, most guys run 1 drive for the OS and Paris app., and a second for the audio files, which after this bad experience, is exactly what I'll be doing from now on! Thanx for your concern Kerry, and thanx for this cool place to hang out when every thing takes a crap!Sadly I have no answer to your problem, just wanted you to know I feel your pain, as I've been living in HARD DRIVE HELL for the last week. Good luck, and I hope you find an answer soon.Hmm... you're OS9, right? Maybe it's actually telling you the truth.
Did you reinstall PARIS after that crash? If so - check to see if the memory assigned to the application is still at the default value (select it in the Finder and do an "apple - I" and look at the numbers). If it is, double it (at least - depending on how much RAM you have) and see what that does. Feel free to give me a call if you need some moral support on this, I'm in and up for a couple of hours.not sure about osx but if you can look in the song folder and see if one or more of the files says it's an unreasonably long length like 12 digits or more long."I'm thinking a baptism by fire is in order."
as a group??? i think his phrases actually came from the day the earth stood still "klatu baratta nikto" or something like that. had this HD crash, took it in and they ran a utility on it so now it shows up again. However, this big tune that I spent a month on won't open up. A dialog box comes up saying:
"Error in reading this project. There is not enough memory. Clearing the undo/redo buffer from the settings menu closing some windows may allow you to complete this operation".
Well.... with this song only, many of the options to click on under the Settings menu to include the undo/redo are greyed out, meaning you can't click on it. I need help!
Steve Steve - if you can stick the project in a folder and zip it into an archive, I can try taking a look at it here.
dnafe wrote on Tue, 14 July 2009 21:38
I'm thinking a baptism by fire is in order.
But we'll have to wait... cause he's working on an update, right?
ok folks I am gonna try to keep this thread to one simple question. Is anyone using XP64 with Paris with success? Has anyone tried?
I took the time (LOTS of time) to weed through the search and see if this has been brought up at all. The only one I see that is relevant is a recent post by drfrankencopter. But everyone answered his questions except that one. Perhaps no one knows. At least that would be a valid answer... Because I am about to find out!
I moved away from Paris and onto a XP64, Gigabyte AMDX2 4GB motherboard, firewire / Reaper system using UAD-2 Nevana. Great sonics and rock solid!
However, I didn't think it would ever happen, but I am now in need to pull up some old Paris projects from early 2000 and 2001 that is archived on discs that I want to remaster. Unfortunately it is just not the same to convert the .paf files and bring them into Reaper because I had tweaked specific EDS DSP effects that can't be re-produced in anything known to man! lol.
I did purchase Mike's new drivers, so I am gonna install an EDS card in my current system and see if I can get Paris working in XP64. Hopefully it works and I'll report back with the results if anyone is interested.
By the way, I have to honestly admit... move to 64bit OS when you can. Just awesome for speed! I did run into a few driver issues. But none of them were show stoppers. If you're planning a future system, consider 64 bit. Hopefully after Windows 7 is released more vendors will consider better 64bit support!
~ Ed
Interested to hear how/if it works Ed
Ted
Ted Gerber wrote on Wed, 15 July 2009 15:21
Interested to hear how/if it works Ed
Ted
Yeah, I am about to shoot home from work and give 'er a shot! The only thing I am unfamiliar with is Mike's new driver. Everything else should be smooth. of course, I'll need to ghost my system before I splurge... lol. I'll report back on the progress...
Looking forward to your results
Darnit Ed - are you going to make me re-do my OS poll categories already?
kerryg wrote on Wed, 15 July 2009 22:41
Darnit Ed - are you going to make me re-do my OS poll categories already?
Well, it is a NO GO! It sees the card, but as soon as I try to load the Paris software... Grrrrrrrrrr! Incompatibale to 64! Damit! I heard that Paris 3.1 will be 64bit compatible when it's released... lol. Back to the closet with the EDS! I'll have to convert everything... An holy crap did my computer's tempature increase extensively with the EDS card.
Oh well! I guess it isn't possible for someone to reverse engineer the Paris software? Or someone write a whole new program. Why is ID being so stingy with a dead software?
But I have to once again say... move to 64bit if you can. It is awesome! I have read articles that after Windows 7, microsoft realizes that they must move to 64bit and drop the 32bit. They're already talking about Window 8 and the 7 isn't even released yet... lol.
Sorry for the false alarm, but now we can positively say that the Paris 3.0 software is only 32bit!
i've got my bottle of ketchup out cuz word has it "soon...very very soon".
It was really great to find this group and also Intelligent Devices new pro-audio site this week.
I have a 442, 1 EDS card running Paris v2.1, on a G4, OS 9.2.2. It was on an old G3 until this week.
If any of you could give me your opinions on whether it is better to upgrade to v3 from v2.1 or not, and why, I would appreciate them.
I found out I can still get v3 from East Coast Music for $295 but want to make sure that it is stable and worth upgrading to. It has been years since I used Paris but upon review of my back catalog I believe that everything I recorded on Paris has a unique and very pleasing sonic quality to it that I just cant get out of Logic with MOTU audio in-out.
Although I only have the 442 it works well for me as I am pretty much a one man show.
Also I would ask am I right in thinking that if I am able to find and install another EDS card that I will then have more processing power?
Thanks in advance.
I am running Paris on a G4 dual 450MHz OS 9.2.2
Quote:
"I'm thinking a baptism by fire is in order."
as a group???
I don't know what a baptism of fire consists of. But things started in the spirit of gentle ribbings between old acquaintances can get out of hand quickly when they're conducted in a public place, so it's not something I'd encourage - either personally or in my capacity as admin here.
Hi crashdown, and welcome!
Yes, another EDS will double your "card" tracks to 32, and double your EDS FX at the same time. Note you can't bus across submixes - the EDS FX on Submix 2 are only available to tracks on Submix 2 (well, it's not designed to permit it, but there are some more or less effective workarounds).
$295 for 3.0? Holy cow, I hadn't realized anybody was still asking that price - that's what it was *eight years ago* when a Bundle III was a few grand. If that's not an error, that price seriously needs updating to reflect current market realities, in a time where entire Bundle IIIs including a transferrable license for 3.0 software are trading hands for not much more than that $295.
Until this is addressed my recommendation is to bide your time and watch the classifieds here. Find a used Bundle III with 3.0 software included for not much more, and transfer the 3.0 license, thereby getting 3.0 *and* an entire second PARIS rig thrown in for little more than what you're saying you were quoted for the software alone. Then either integrate the second bundle into your setup, keep it for spares or resell components you don't need in order to recoup part of your purchase price.Thanks very much for your swift reply to my questions. I will look out for a bundle as advised I thought it was kind of high considering the hardware prices I have seen.
Is it much better than 2.2 in your opinion?
What I read about it excited me but right now I got to watch my spending and get the best bang for the buck just like many others.
Thanks again.It's a good upgrade, no doubt. But at that frankly unrealistic price, there's simply no value comparison possible between a 3.0 upgrade and an extra EDS card. The latter is half the price of the former yet *doubles* both your track count and your FX processing; until that pricing is revised, that's where the bang for the buck will remain.
ID, if you're reading this - flip over to the classifieds here to help put the situation in perspective. I'll contact ID directly about this after this crazy weekend is over.oh good lord kerry, i think if there were anybody who could care less what id does it would be this group. and besides the one who brought the biggest attitude sadly has passed. the biggest shame is that paris is dead in the eyes of it's creators.I appreciate that Kerry, however it's 18 gigs. I just ended up re-playing most of it. Thanks my friend.
SteveI got an email from Matt Craig....
With any luck you'll hear from him shortly.
Cheers
KrisThat's great news, Kris, thanks! I'll pass that along to Mike too...I thank you again for the reply. Duly noted I assure you. Without wanting to put you on the block does anyone have a bundle 3 or paris 3 software for sale?
That aside do you feel the same way I do about the sonic signature of Paris or am I blowing sugar out my.......?
crashdown wrote on Fri, 17 July 2009 15:55
I thank you again for the reply. Duly noted I assure you. Without wanting to put you on the block does anyone have a bundle 3 or paris 3 software for sale?
That aside do you feel the same way I do about the sonic signature of Paris or am I blowing sugar out my.......?
Keep your eyes on the classifieds; you might even consider posting a "Wanted" ad. As far as the sound - your ears are telling you the same thing our ears tell us about our own PARIS rigs, they're something a bit more special than your average DAW Hi Mike,
I tried yesterday some of your compressors in a project and could not make them work without clicks.
I found that these have to do with the release or/and hold function.
Also the latency knob cannot go to 0 (just 0.01)
I really like the sound of the variable compressor especially the RMS sound but there is no workable setting at all due to this bug.
Can you please take a look ?
Compressors are the most needed mixing tool !!
Thanks
DimitriosI just bought a Sony PCM D50 field recorder to capture rehearsals and gigs. I used it for the first time 2 days ago. It makes WAV files at different qualities from 94/24 to 44.1/16. For the first time, I used the 44.1/16.
After rehearsal, I came home and loaded them into my imac with no problems. I then burned them to a CD and listened to them. Not bad, but I recorded a little bit too low with the levels so I wanted to put them into paris to bring up the volume with normalization (isn't that the best way?).
Paris is on my old G4 so I put the files on a memory stick and transfered them to my G4. Opened Paris and made a new folder and file and went to the audio window to import them. Clicked on the ADD AUDIO FILES and imported one of the two files. They showed up fine. Went to the edit window to drag them into the playing field and they would NOT move. I highlighted them but they wouldn't move.
Upon rechecking the audio window, I noticed that the size of the R & L files were very small like 00.00.11. I tried this several times, but cannot get the files in correctly.
I took those same files and opened them with Sonic Works and they are fine. About 350mb.
So what am I doing wrong? Do I have to convert them to sdII files or change the WAV to something else?
Never had to do this before so not sure.
Thanks for any help with this. I primarily use Paris to record my own music so never had to import before.
Lou Guarino Hi Lou-
I have had funkiness when using a memory stick for some reason doing this exact thing. However, if the files played OK in SonicWorx then that is probably not the issue. I think instead it would have to do with the creation of the wavs in the first place (broadcast wavs?). You could open them in SW, then save as... paf.
TedThanks but that is a no go. First of all, I have Sonic Workx Essential which does not have the save to paf option. But I tried using SW and a Save As to do an aiff. The file ended up being Alinas1.aiff.
In the Paris Audio window, it doesn't even show it to allow me to import it.
This is weird!
Back to square 1 again.
Thanks Lou Opps No You were right! Instead of doing a "Save As," I did an "Export File As" and I had to split the files. Then I was able to have a R & L paf export the went into Paris fine.
Thanks!!!! That worked great!
Lou GuarinoThere are two reasons to buy 3.0 that people dont think about often.
1. There is a bug in the effects pulldown list under older versions of paris, and it wont show eds plugs much beyond the ones included in paris. So you can add all mikes new plugs but not be able to select them.
2. RENDERING. 3.0 offers a really quick way to render to file.Add to that the Big EQHi Dimitrios,
It's good to head from you. Thanks so much for your tips regarding DX and VST in PARIS.
I've experienced those effects only when the release time is set too low. Let me know if increasing the release time helps. I've worked with the plug fairly extensively, and it's worked fine when I did that. If that doesn't do the trick, let's talk more about the exact settings and try to reproduce the problem here.
I finished my teaching contract a couple of weeks ago, and I am so excited to get back into PARIS coding in a big way.
All the best!
mike Thanks Chuck, that's great info to know.On XP, v2.1 had an aux bleed issue. v3.0 does not. I don't know if Mac's had this problem.
wayneThanks for the response I have noted with interest your points. Where might one be able to obtain these "Mikes Plugs"?Check the Mike Audet link at the very top of this page - Mike has taken up the PARIS coding banner from Chuck's great Skunkworks, and put out a wide range of new (and very high quality) plugins for your EDS slots. In addition, he's released new drivers that have given PARIS an entirely new lease on life. Mike's been on fire future-proofing PARIS lately - his current task is rewriting the ASIO drivers, which is going to open a lot of new doors.
- KHi All,
Like many of us using PARIS, I started recording with tape etc.
I've been recording with the "bigger looking wav forms is better" approach for as long as I've been recording. Apparently there is another way to look at the gain of the track when recording digitally. I'm wondering after reading all the great feedback about PARIS gain structure - BT DVD etc, just how this following article applies when recording with PARIS. I'll add my own feedback after some folks chime in.
Paris functions a little different. According to the Paris reference manual:
When recording, the Fader has no effect on the volume of the signal being recorded--input volume levels
must be set at the external device sending signal into PARIS (pg. 106).
Also:
The best fidelity will be achieved when your loudest volume
peaks are well into the amber range, without crossing over into the red
So:
Paris doesn't work quite the same. You have one way to control the inputs to Paris, setting those imputs to -10 or +4. Other control is all on the outboard equipment.
Hope this helps,
JeffI've gathered the impression that some of the PARIS mojo is *directly* related to the concepts detailed here, and that this is a case of conventional DAW wisdom catching up to what the designers of PARIS already had figured out over a decade ago:
Quote:
- The digital signal from your audio interface into your sequencer's individual recording tracks should be set at -12 to -18dB on the input meters for each track being recorded. Don't go near -6dB and certainly don't get anywhere near 0dB when tracking.
- The digital signal in your sequencer's Master meter should peak at -6dB when creating your mixdown. If you go over -6dB peak on the Master, lower the volume of all your tracks slightly, and equally, to reduce the summed volume of all tracks as needed to keep the Master peaking at -6dB
- Render your mixdown to a WAV or AIFF file still at -6dB because normalization and limiting from within all major sequencers is pretty weak.
Hi MIke !
Nice to know you are back with Paris coding !!!
Regarding the variable compressor, no matter what the settings are if you want -6 to -12 and maybe more compressing, there is always a crackling noise more or less.
No workable settings at all here...
Regards,
Dimitrios Hi Dimitrios,
I was able to get some clicks with heavy compression on peak mode, but not RMS. Are you having this happen with Peak or RMS?
All the best,
Mike Hi all.
I've been receiving a fair amount of spam from greetingcard.org over here (which is par for the course for administering a website). But sometimes it purports to be originating from my admin email address. Now, it's pretty simple to spoof an email address, and the forum's server's on Linux and I'm on a Mac running OSX so we aren't liable to PC virus issues. But I wanted to check in and make certain nobody's receiving any spam purporting to be from myself or the forums.
Thanks - KThought you all would appreciate this... I've been working on Joe's new album for the last few months (Signature). Actually started it quite a while ago. It came out this week and shot quickly to number one in the iTunes album ratings list (R&B / Soul).
Most of the tracks were done in Pro Tools, but a few of the tracks that were started earlier were recorded in Paris.
Wish I could have stayed in Paris for more of it, but it's a nice record just the same. It's all real musicians.
Gene
Just out of curiosity do you forward your admin accounts to a regular box, or access them directly?
It is slowly dawning on me that having them forwarded makes them more apt to be spammed than checking the box directly, as a matter of fact I have it on my to-do list (#24,856) to set up my admin addy's so they don't forward at all but are checked directly from my mail program just like my regular mail (has to be better than all the spam).
If I thought I could get away with it I would only allow mail from the forums mail server, but I'm afraid that would defeat my purpose.
Woohoo Gene, congrats! Wow, check it out on Amazon, folks - that's all live players, Gene?
Love to hear more about it - who's on bass and drums, for example? And which tracks started in PARIS?
- K
I am really liking this setup...I have 12 mono and 6 stereo stems coming into Paris and it sounds great! It sure is nice being able to keep the clients in PT and sum without a console...that said, I am still doing lots of projects start to finish in Paris...2 systems still running on ME...John - How do you you decide which system to use with which client?
johnmacy wrote on Tue, 21 July 2009 01:42
...that said, I am still doing lots of projects start to finish in Paris...
Very nice! Congrats!Another reason to go with 3.0 is the ability to group faders...I find this handy.
Cheers
KrisI just received my copy (thanks Ted).
This DVD is awesome...I wish I had it years ago (why didn't I buy it back then?). Soooo many tips, and insight.
It's probably a good idea to have a pad of paper handy while watching it, to jot down ideas about how to improve your workflow.
Cheers
KrisIf it's edit intensive and/or the band or producer is more fluent in PT and/or it might go to different studios during the process I go PT for tracking...otherwise, if it is just me running the show, I tend to stay in Paris...Two 3 card systems here...Show offs! 2 MECs, 2 EDS, 2 C16, 1-8 in, 1-adat, (complete with adat machine).
johnmacy wrote on Tue, 21 July 2009 12:10
If it's edit intensive and/or the band or producer is more fluent in PT and/or it might go to different studios during the process I go PT for tracking...otherwise, if it is just me running the show, I tend to stay in Paris...
Have you tried bringing the Paris mains back into a separate input channel in PT for monitoring? I've given his idea some thought......just feeding Paris my bus stems, let it's summing do the do and then taking the summed main out back into C5 for any final treatment.
Something to think about. the advantage I see to this would be the minimization of possible clocking errors. Set your template up accordingly and Paris could just be a part of your PT rig at that point.
DJ
Paris as an outboard effect! I like it. Now, if I can just scrape up the $$$ for a PT HD system... One of the reasons I've hung w/ Paris (apart from the sound and general familiarity) is that a PT HD system that would do what my Paris system does w/ control surface would cost me almost $40K. Sheesh!
DJ wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 00:22
johnmacy wrote on Tue, 21 July 2009 12:10
If it's edit intensive and/or the band or producer is more fluent in PT and/or it might go to different studios during the process I go PT for tracking...otherwise, if it is just me running the show, I tend to stay in Paris...
Have you tried bringing the Paris mains back into a separate input channel in PT for monitoring? I've given his idea some thought......just feeding Paris my bus stems, let it's summing do the do and then taking the summed main out back into C5 for any final treatment.
Something to think about. the advantage I see to this would be the minimization of possible clocking errors. Set your template up accordingly and Paris could just be a part of your PT rig at that point.
DJ
I have been sending my main out through some analog processing (SSL comp, Avalon 747 and a Nightpro EQ3D) then to an apogee A/D into a Masterlink....Interesting. My mentor from years ago also use(s) an Nightpro EQ 3D on his master bus. Anyway, it sounds like a great bus chain. I've been thinking about that 747 myself. I had a bit of a chance to play with one a few years ago and I tended to like the solid state option.
DJI just shook hands on a deal for an RME HDSP 9652 for my G5 - so I'm soon going to be in Summing Bus Magic World.I use the tube thing on the 747--never touch the eq and only the slightest hint of compression. I got into that via a Michael Brauer article where he uses the tube section for warmth and bigness...OK then. thanks for the insight. I've got my studio torn completely down for maintenance, recabling and just a basic reassessment of needs. I'll probably have a few thing that will be headed for the aftermarket and I'll probably look at picking up a 747 at some point in the future. I have to say that after using the SSL Duende PCIe processor for over a year now, I'm pretty darned impressed with what can be achieved by this hardware. It's not aanlog, but it sure has some serious fidelity and can add some very transparent size if used judiciously.
It got used a bit on the mix of this project that wrapped recently.
There was a lot of necessity for transparency at many levels due to the coloration inherent in the wall 'o guitars.
Main system - 1 MEC, two 8 in's, 2 EDS, 2 C16's.
B/U system (off line) - 1 MEC, one 8 in, 2 EDS, 2 IF2's
wayne
rick wrote on Fri, 17 July 2009 03:27
oh good lord kerry, i think if there were anybody who could care less what id does it would be this group. and besides the one who brought the biggest attitude sadly has passed. the biggest shame is that paris is dead in the eyes of it's creators.
Uncle rick. Why do you think that ID would forget about Paris when they actually had a native version working before Stephen passed?
Well observed.
Anyone else think that's an awful lot of website for three plugins?
- K
kerryg wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 14:32
Well observed.
Anyone else think that's an awful lot of website for three plugins?
- K
raises hand.....
Thanks for the tip Kris I guess now I just need to find me someone with a bundle 3 to sell in the U.S.
I would rather get some hardware and software as opposed to just paying $295 for the software.
Thanks go out to all you guys who have posted in response to my question it is much appreciated.
Ted thank you so much I received my disc yesterday. It will help me a great deal in my getting back into Paris.deej,
why? cuz the first generation owners aren't dead yet. i myself would love to see paris up and running again; you can even leave out midi. just fix the bugs and smooth out a couple of things and life would be great. i'd rather be on paris than any other app for recording...call me old fashioned.
kerry,
as to the size of the website...i don't understand the correlation. there are so many sites out there that have page after page of nothing that add...nothing but size.Glad folks are receiving the disc and finding it worthwhile.
TedYo all, I finished this one about a couple of months ago. Looks like they have released some songs online from it - http://www.myspace.com/playdancerepeat
I'm *still* finding little nooks of tone and volume inside Paris - especially with Mike's EDS plugs. Hey Carl
Really like some of these tunes. Which ones did you work on? Lots of good stuff here.
Tedtitle=rick wrote on Thu, 23 July 2009 01:34]deej,
why? cuz the first generation owners aren't dead yet.
It has been a while.
i myself would love to see paris up and running again; you can even leave out midi. just fix the bugs and smooth out a couple of things and life would be great. i'd rather be on paris than any other app for recording...call me old fashioned.
I'm there with you. I do very little midi here.
kerry,
as to the size of the website...i don't understand the correlation. there are so many sites out there that have page after page of nothing that add...nothing but size.[/quote]
size matters. Yeah, the material's not bad. I didn't track the "So Long Goodbye" song, but I recorded, mixed and mastered everything else except some overdubs (strings, horns, some bgv's, some keys). I scored a good price on an RME 9652 yesterday, and installed it in my Mac. Now I'm trying to get the Logic that's running on that Mac to slave to ADAT sync coming from PARIS - so far no joy. Can this be done?
Setup so far: Dual G5 with Logic + RME 9652
PC with 2 EDS, 2 MEC - MEC 1 = 2x 8i, MEC 2 = one ADAT card
Serial cable connecting the two ADAT sync jacks
2x ADAT cables bidirectionally connecting RME ADAT 1-8 with PARIS ADAT module.
1x WC cable between MEC 1 & 2. No word clock cable/termination between MEC and RME (I'll grab it tomorrow).
I'm beginning to suspect the answer is "not without converting to MTC". Anybody know any different?
"size matters."
so i've been lied to??? I know, I was thinking the same thing. Oh, my shattered illusions.
DJ wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 14:18
Why do you think that ID would forget about Paris when they actually had a native version working before Stephen passed?
Is this really true, or was it just another line that ID pushed to keep stringing us along? Like all the updates that were promised 'soon'. Did anyone actually see this native version functioning (at a trade show perhaps)?
Cheers
Kris
drfrankencopter wrote on Fri, 24 July 2009 10:27
DJ wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 14:18
Why do you think that ID would forget about Paris when they actually had a native version working before Stephen passed?
Is this really true, or was it just another line that ID pushed to keep stringing us along? Like all the updates that were promised 'soon'. Did anyone actually see this native version functioning (at a trade show perhaps)?
Cheers
Kris
Yes. A Parisite that I know who was a personal friend of SSC has seen it functioning on his Mac laptop. According to this party, when asked about the ability of the native system to recreate the "big" that the Paris system is known for, SSC stated that the Paris sound was a function of the software.
This wouldn't surprise me, we must remember ID made their bread and butter by developing software whose algorithms isolated and enhanced specific frequencies.
Jim Drago[2
wrote on Fri, 24 July 2009 23:20]This wouldn't surprise me, we must remember ID made their bread and butter by developing software whose algorithms isolated and enhanced specific frequencies.
This goes against all previous speculation and I think there is quite a bit of credibility to Chuck's findings years ago relative to the way the ESP2 chip handles the saturation math, but it sure would be nice if a native DAW were to emerge that could provide the headroom and clarity at the sum that Paris can.
If a native audio app is released by ID, whatever name it may be given, I'll certainly be in line to give it a go.I wasn't trying to question Chuck's findings. Just reminding of ID's specialty.
Jim Drago[2
wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 09:27]I wasn't trying to question Chuck's findings. Just reminding of ID's specialty.
Understood.
Kerry,
I don't know enough about Logic to tell you where the panel is that you will need to access to make the settings, but once you find it, it should give you to option to sync to an external device. Once you've got that set up, just run a serial cable from the Paris ADAT sync out to the 9652 ADAT sync input and hitting the play button on your C-16 (or the transport window) should lock them up sample accurately.
Deej
DJ wrote on Sun, 26 July 2009 17:45
I don't know enough about Logic to tell you where the panel is that you will need to access to make the settings,
Deej
Audio Midi Setup?
Applications>Utilities>Audio Midi Setup
Will this see a serial cable synced to ADAT as a MIDI device?
T
Hi guys,
Lately my Paris has been hanging up after quiting and not clearing the task manager. It didn't matter if I had opened one project or 23 projects for the session. WinXP SP2 IE7 v3.0
When I ended the process (Paris.exe) via task manager, I got a blue screen every time. If I didn't end the process I got a blue screen when shutting down the computer.
Problem turned out to be that when I recently reinstalled Paris and subsystems I forgot to change the default project to "de-select" the C16 pro. I'm glad it was that simple and not some XP update issue.
Another indication that pointed to the C16 was that I was not able to enable "track record" via the C16 and the "mute/dim" lite acted weird. Everything else worked fine.
Just a reminder us Parisites, that the C16 select feature in the settings is more important than I realized.
waynethanksI'll wiki this as a potential "heads up" as soon as I get a chance - thanks!Hi,
The two c16 modes just re-map some buttons. There is no difference between the two units, except for the paint. I think this is a false positive.
I suspect that you are using the old Windows XP driver, because mine doesn't blue screen the machine if you force quit PARIS.
Let me know if I can help more by emailing me from ensoniq.ca.
All the best,
mikeThanks guys, much appreciated... unfortunately, from the RME 9652 manual, page 32:
Quote:
Time Code
Time Code from the input ADAT Sync. Not available for the HDSP 9652 under OS X.
This, they have to tell me in the fine print on page 32 of the manual.
[sfx: head smashing repeatedly on desk]
Hi Mike,
Thanks for the clarification. I don't run any VST/DX so I also disabled DX in Paris. Ran great for 8 hours yesterday.
wayneHere's a quote from Matthias Carstens from RME:
Quote:
Quote:
What multitrack software will timecode sync in slave mode to adat timecode on the digi9652 adat 9 pin input?
Windows only: Cubase/Nuendo and Samplitude/Sequoia. Or in other words: the software that supports ASIO Positioning Protocol.
Regards
Matthias Carstens
RME
[I should mention that this Windows Only list is older and incomplete, and should also include MOTU's AudioDesk, and now Reaper too - K]
SO - what I seem to have discovered here:
On Windows: Cubase/Nuendo/Samplitude/Sequoia/Reaper will sync to PARIS' ADAT sync out (assuming you have a sound card with an ADAT sync in).
On Mac: MOTU's AudioDesk and Digital Performer will sync to PARIS' ADAT sync out.
Once anyone who knows any different weighs in, I'll get this up on the Wiki for the benefit of the unwary (not unlike myself).
This is the only info I've found on Apple's website:
It *looks* on the surface as though it might be easy enough to add a cable from the last EDS "word clock" out to the RME's "word clock" in.
Oh, don't worry, I wouldn't be so rash as to just do it - I have no desire to let the "magic smoke" come out of my computer. But anyone have any thoughts to share on this observation? Anyone have recollection about any investigations done into grabbing data streams directly off the EDS? Because it looks to my (admittedly untrained) eye like there might be some interesting places on/between EDS cards to intercept both audio and clock with some "home brew" cabling.
That 10-pin connector for word clock really gets around, doesn't it?
http://www.sonorus.com/twoboards.mac/
Ted
thanx so much for the DVD. Brian is a Riot! And informative as well. You are a saint for sending out this info,and paying postage, even to the States! We love you Ted!So far I'm pretty impressed with the number of Mac OS9 guys - over a third of respondents so far!yikes - next thing you know you'll be asking me to help you move
(you're welcome!!)
thanks for the info Kerry
Quote:
yikes - next thing you know you'll be asking me to help you move
You're cancelling helping me move???hey guys. this is my first post here at this new PARIS forum. i was an occasional contributer in the newsgroup.
does anyone remember a mastering engineer from australia (i think). he used PARIS.
sakis? or something??
thanks.
PS... a big thank you to whom ever is keeping this group of people alive with this web based forum. i don't know if it was here before the new client went down... but kerryg... if you're the guy doing this... THANKS! i always thought this smaller group of users were unique and i'm glad to see it stay alive.Welcome to the forums, Jeremy! It was indeed mastering engineer Sakis Anastopoulos who contributed enormously to the body of knowledge on mastering in Paris. I'm going to try to drop him an email today to ask if he'd have any objection to the Wiki serving the dithering tutorials he made.
I did start the forums/wiki, and you're very welcome - I just saw a lot of resources succumbing to "net rot" and disappearing, so it just kinda had to be done. But the reason they've got over 50,000 posts in them is because of Kim's cooperation, both in startup and in the working out of kinks in syncing the two.
The spec was to always run them in sync - sort of a "NG community" venue and a "platform development" effort, naturally with extensive overlap between the two. That went on for several months before the NG's disappearance (we still have no idea what's happened).
I also owe a great deal to Chuck for starting the whole ball rolling many years ago and to PARIS' de facto archivists, Steve "artguy" Della Maggiora (whose name I solemnly commit to spelling correctly henceforth ), John Bercik, Doug Wellington, AA and many others. It's they who effectively preserved the platform's history. YW Ted! I'll get that posted soon.
Hey Deej - maybe you knew this already, but did you know the PC version of Reaper now supports APP, and thus (at least in theory) can now do ADAT sync? Check out the bottom of page 395 of the user manual (careful, LARGE pdf). Reaper is an appealing application, especially the routing options. I depend pretty heavily on the Cubase 5 control room function for cue mixes which is a bit more streamlined and functionally flexible than using auxes pf. I'd have to check the options for cue mixing in Reaper. Also, until I move to something like a Mackie controller, I'm getting a very satisfactory performance out of my Steinberg Houston which only really integrates well with Cubendo. I'm pretty locked into the Steiny scenario right now. If ID releases a new DAW, I'll be doing some reconfigurations, but for now, with the computer I have here, Cubase 5 is working well enough for me that the idea of moving to an application like Reaper sorta' seems more like a parallel move which would require me to buy a new DAW controller than any kind of upgrade. Then again, I can't really say that I'm that up to speed on Reaper. Maybe I'm missing out.
Cheers,
Dimitrios wrote on Fri, 10 July 2009 00:10
One of my most interesting findings was senderella vst plugin that would let Paris have busses at 0 latency !
You would need to make EDSTransfer 8,8 or better 8,16.
I did that and had great success but at that time I had a couple of EDS cards going bad and I was afraid that I put extra heat with this eds transfer thing ( I have read that somewhere else too..) so I stopped doing it.
Tjis way you could send ACROSS submixes any tracks realtime to another paris track and put a DX or EDS effect on all of them as a sum.
So you could put all drumtracks to an empty paris track and put your favourite DX compressor to all of them and all of these at 0 latency !!
Anyone brave enouph to work on this ???
Maybe by using some extra fans or something...
Regards,
Dimitrios
This sounds like the kind of thing that I would enjoy tinkering with. I can't do it right now, but maybe later this winter. I've been thinking pretty seriously about buying myself an EDS card, MEC and a couple of ADAT cards and making a summing DAw for Cubase. Back in 2001 I had built myself a big box to soundproof my DAW. The design was a bit faulty and there was a bit too much heat buildup so I would leave it open when mixing but when I would have a tracking session, I would go down to the store and buy myself a couple of pounds of dry ice and set them on top of the computer in the box. The freezing C02 would cascade down the sides of the computer and be drawn into the case by the intake fans. It was very effective in keeping the PCI cards (and everything else, including CPU temps)very cool.
Dear All Defenders of the Paris,
I just discovered the forum, Hallelujah, brother,
I love this place!
I have had my Paris system since '98, I have refused to give up on it over the years even with much
derision from my peers.
Of course they never complained about the sound!
And now, as a matter of fact I'm going to add
to my set up, can't wait to try the new drivers,
on a multi process mobo, OH Boy! Plug ins, Yippy!
Keep up the fabulous work and count on my
support. My robust thanks to all
who made this possible, the world is a better place.
Johnny1.
I'm about to pull the trigger I think at least on a Paris Rig.
The seller is telling me that the computer has two EDS Cards in it with " another Ensoniq card allowing the 2 EDS 1000 to work together..."
I've never heard of this other Ensoniq card....? Any clue on what he is talking about???
2.
Also correct me if I'm wrong BUT with two EDS cards what happens is one EDS card just clocks off of the first one.
WIth three EDS cards an external world clock is necessary? (or am I confusing this with the MECs) Can someone please sort out this clocking business for me, as well as helping me discern what is this other ensoniq card allowing the two to work together?
3.
What do I have to worry about to get the license switched so that I'm a registered user/ owner? I'm guessing this fellow doesn't have the most up to date version. what would be the cost of upgrading to 3.0?
4.
how much do all those new paris plugins cost? if i want to buy them all?Johnny, welcome to the forums - glad you found us!
I can tell you the drivers seem to be rock-solid for users. And the verbs alone are killers - they're "must haves" for PARIS, Mike actually mentioned ditching his hardware verbs after he finished them. And so he might; they're the same algorithms running on the same dedicated processors that were in the hardware DP/4 and DP/Pro, but all internal to PARIS using its convertors etc.
You're very welcome, all of you guys- it's truly a pleasure. Here's to a lot of good years left in the old gal!
- Kerry[quote title=rokuez wrote on Sun, 02 August 2009 16:05]
Quote:
The seller is telling me that the computer has two EDS Cards in it with " another Ensoniq card allowing the 2 EDS 1000 to work together..."
I've never heard of this other Ensoniq card....? Any clue on what he is talking about???
Maybe he's just talking about the connecting cable kit (which was also available separately, and is needed to make the two cards work together)? Still, some EDS cards were sold without the FX daughterboard as EDS-500s, so make sure he's not talking about something like that.
Quote:
Also correct me if I'm wrong BUT with two EDS cards what happens is one EDS card just clocks off of the first one.WIth three EDS cards an external world clock is necessary? (or am I confusing this with the MECs)
You don't need to worry about clocking the EDS cards together, no matter how many you have. That's all taken care of by the two ribbon cables that connect them.
One MEC can be run internally; two MECs can just be clocked together. After you have three or more MECs attached to your EDS cards you have to clock them from an external wordclock source.
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What do I have to worry about to get the license switched so that I'm a registered user/ owner?
For 2.2 and before, it's free, you effectively just download and go. V3 went to a paid license model, and if you're buying from another user, that previous owner needs to contact ID and tell them he's transferring his license to you. Then you'd contact ID and ask for an activation code.
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what would be the cost of upgrading to 3.0?
Currently $295. I would recommend holding off for a brief time since the PARIS situation is fluid.
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how much do all those new paris plugins cost? if i want to buy them all?
You'd have to ask Mike about that, he's available at the link at the top.
thanks for responding i've been interested in paris for a long time
Hmm he left a voice mail and he says
"2 eds 1000 plus another card that linked the two together"
very odd.
If you have multiple EDS cards do you just have to have a ribbon cable daisy chaining them all together? Also does this cable lie inside the computer tower, or outside? Is it basically an IDE cable? I'm just curious, I will probably stick with just two EDS 1000's but if I wanted more I'm curious what I'd have to do to chain them together.
I only plan on having two mecs so no worries there.
What do you mean holding off from purchasing v3 (if i have to at least) because the situation is fluid??
Can you link me to the ID peoples website?
Also do I only need Mike's new drivers if I'm running a multicore system?1.
Is disabling the USB really necessary for a new Paris rig?
overall the setup / extra tweaks doens't seem like too much.
But with a new rig I'd probably be using usb for mouse keyboard... do u guys use usb mouse/keyboard??
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also concerning smpte for paris.
I have an atari running notator with log3 and unitor 2 which can output smpte.
I plan on just striping a track in Paris with smpte, and sending the output of that track to the unitor 2's smpte in and having the atari follow that smpte track.
From what I understand I don't need the SMPTE module at all. Or am I missing something?
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third question. If i want to route audio out of a Paris i.e something thats been recorded and run it through some outboard. Do I encounter he same audio delay compensation problems. How difficult is this to re-allign. I don't have outboard at the moment, but I've heard of ppl complaining about the lack of ADC support in cubase logic etc. Does this similar problem exist in Paris.
i checked out that article which seems to relate to what i'm talking about..
but i'm a relative newb so i'm not 100% sure it covers what i'm asking1) I'm not familiar with this tweak. Never did it on any of my machines.
2) it's my understanding that the SMPTE card never worked properly but I'm sure other more knowledgeable guys will pipe in to clarify this.
3) Faderworks could be used for your ADC woes. It requires Faderworks be inserted on each track but once that is done and you have determined the latency of the round trip to your hardware and entered it into Faderwork's data base all you have to do is click the appropriate latency in Faderworks on the effected track and viola ADC.
I'm sure Dimitros will chime in on this as he's the resident Faderworks Guru
dnafe wrote on Tue, 04 August 2009 06:13
... it's my understanding that the SMPTE card never worked properly but I'm sure other more knowledgeable guys will pipe in to clarify this.
Just wanted to point out that a year ago Mike Audet did a rework of the SMPTE.dll that drives that module; at that moment the SMPTE module went from its traditional "expensive paperweight/skeet shooting aid" status to "actually potentially useful". Hey Rick, did you get this fixed? Let us know if there's anything we can do.
rokuez wrote on Sun, 02 August 2009 19:21
If you have multiple EDS cards do you just have to have a ribbon cable daisy chaining them all together? Also does this cable lie inside the computer tower, or outside? Is it basically an IDE cable? I'm just curious, I will probably stick with just two EDS 1000's but if I wanted more I'm curious what I'd have to do to chain them together.
Standard IDE ribbon connectors which you can buy as a pre-made kit specifically for the EDS, make up yourself from ribbon cables bought off-the-rack, or easily crimp a set yourself. You'll find discussion about it here and here.
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What do you mean holding off from purchasing v3 (if i have to at least) because the situation is fluid??
Sorry, that was cryptic. I mean the PARIS game is changing rapidly. One of the relevant aspects of "fluid" is that I'm in the process of contacting ID to ask them to review the price of 3.0 software and adjust it to reflect changes between the realities of 2001 and 2009. It would be unfair to settle on a recommendation from the forum one way or the other before ID's even been given a chance to hear the reasoning (I have no evidence anyone's taken the logical next step and contacted them directly to suggest a review) let alone been given a fair chance to consider its merits and respond.
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Can you link me to the ID peoples website?
DOH, of course, ID can be found here. I know I should have an active link to them at the top by now and I've been planning to do so, but I have several other changes and tweaks to make to the header HTML which require a bit of live hand-tweaking, and I was hoping to do it all at once to minimize disruption.
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Also do I only need Mike's new drivers if I'm running a multicore system?
I think that's correct.
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1.Is disabling the USB really necessary for a new Paris rig?
Nope, I use USB keyboard and mouse with PARIS.
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also concerning smpte for paris.
I have an atari running notator with log3 and unitor 2 which can output smpte.
I plan on just striping a track in Paris with smpte, and sending the output of that track to the unitor 2's smpte in and having the atari follow that smpte track.
From what I understand I don't need the SMPTE module at all. Or am I missing something?
You do not need the SMPTE module to achieve this, you just dedicate one of PARIS' audio outs to feeding that audio timecode track to the UNITOR's SMPTE in.
In fact, that works quite nicely; ATARI and PARIS were a particularly happy match. The timing accuracy of ATARIs was formidable even by today's standards because of their tight hardware/software integration; I used to sync Atari/Notator and PARIS for a while myself and was pretty unhappy with the level of midi timing slop that moving to Mac OS on an LC475 gave me in '94.
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third question. If i want to route audio out of a Paris i.e something thats been recorded and run it through some outboard. Do I encounter he same audio delay compensation problems. How difficult is this to re-allign. I don't have outboard at the moment, but I've heard of ppl complaining about the lack of ADC support in cubase logic etc. Does this similar problem exist in Paris.
PARIS has both notable advantages and disadvantages over other DAWs re: ADC (or the related PDC).
Due to its advanced age, PARIS lacks internal ADC completely; you have to use manual nudging, or plugins like Faderworks, to compensate. It's probably fair to balance that against the fact that it's still not completely alone in this over a decade later; quite a few other DAWs still either lack this completely or have implemented it inconsistently, thoughtlessly or incompetently.
It's got a clear advantage too - PARIS has always had extremely low latency, little more than hardware. You won't have to deal with gross, audible latency - just latency as it impacts phase alignment. If there's no need to align a track for *phase accuracy* - say a DI'd bass by itself (assuming there's no mic'd amp track or bleed to align to as well) then the roundtrip latency involved in sending to an external effect is near-imperceptible. If you have eg. eight tracks of drum mics and you want to compress say the snare top mic separately, you'll have to think about re-aligning that track to retain its phase alignment with the other tracks.
kerryg wrote on Tue, 04 August 2009 16:29
In fact, that works quite nicely; ATARI and PARIS were a particularly happy match. The timing accuracy of ATARIs was formidable even by today's standards because of their tight hardware/software integration; I used to sync Atari/Notator and PARIS for a while myself and was pretty unhappy with the level of midi timing slop that moving to Mac OS on an LC475 gave me in '94.
Damn I forgot about that...I used a midex to sync Paris and my Atari 1040
thanks for the reminder Kerry
Heh, no prob - I friggin' loved my Atari with Notator, I left it kicking and screaming.
Moderately NSFW...There is mention of a "keyed gate" when using the "wires" in the EDS inserts, did this ever work? Man that would be kinda cool.
Thanks
Rob Don't forget good old Cool Edit V1.2 with the PAF filter, I still use that on occasion.Thanks Kerry, you really made this place into a "1 stop for all your Paris needs" kinda place, very efficient. Hats off to ya bro.
Robit's got potentioal but yeah, i think i'll wait till september when apple figures it's safe to release it to europe. of course my rig isn't supported but that doesn't mean it won't work... Same here, I'll hold off until the bugfix. Are you on a dual G5 PPC as well? I hear it actually works, but you have to have at least 10.5. something - maybe .5 or .7.added, thanks!yes and as luck would have it i have the model with the potentially leaking cooling system. it's a good thing my first mac put me out of business so it's not used a whole lot so this may not happen to me. i'll be installing 10.5 as soon as a friend is done redoing his macs. i'll be curious to see how reaper function under leopards paw.I might be able to get a Paris rig, but I'm doing this without ever having heard of paris system or song recorded and mixed in Paris.
Can anyone tell me of a album, or song recorded, mixed and mastered in Paris?
Edited and Mixed in ParisHere's some trio jazz I did on PARIS with some buddies years ago for a demo for the jazz festival. Tracked and mixed in PARIS (Mac OS9) using mostly EDS FX with a few VST plugs. Insert obligatory excuse here - two of the three of us were down with the flu.
There's some other demo stuff on the blog; some like the Astrid stuff was extensively created/assembled in other DAWs but mixed in PARIS.
Here's another thread by Gene Lennon where some of the material was tracked in PARIS.Oh, you went for the "Leaky Cooling System" version; I opted for the "You Will Eventually Discover You Have A Poorly Grounded PSU That Leaks Noise Into Your Audio Chain" model myself (I love a challenge).
Having said that - I found a tech notice saying that a limited range of G5 serial numbers had faulty PSUs and were covered by a PSU exchange policy. My serial was in the range; the tech notice was a few years old, but I figured "what the heck?" and called Apple anyway.
To my surprise, after some conversation they said "It's an undated offer, so Apple will still cover it - but you'd better hurry because your computer goes obsolete this Friday and won't be covered after that :D". So I hurried it down to the Apple store and they replaced the PSU free of charge. Point to Apple.
I'm also having enormous fun with my PC nowadays too, so there's good and bad to be said about both of them.
Now I just mutter "computers" occasionally, followed by turning my head and spitting.why can't the zealots ever get the crap ones??? yeah there's a lot of discussion about mine and apparently has been out there for years and apples initial reaction to a new "hey i'm leaking call" is that no such problem exists...what a surprize. they've even quoted people repair costs of upto $3800.00 for a $2400.00 computer...now that's balls.
and you are absolutely right..."computer" Check out Lou Guarino's CD's. They are very nice sounding and quite interesting as well.
Irreplaceable by George Benson is an album you may also want to check out.
Irreplaceable was not received well by Benson's more traditional jazz fans, because it is primarily a Pop/R&B album that was directed at a much younger audience. It is an interesting listen however. The pop tracks were all recorded, edited and mixed in Paris. All ITB with help from a few nice pieces of hardware. These tracks were recorded at Joshua Thompson's Tallest Tree studios in NJ. (The latest large-scale studio that I have designed.)
Irreplaceable also has a number of jazz instrumental tracks. These were done by a different producer/engineering team in Pro Tools. These tracks were recorded in Avatar NY and some other very highly respected studios around the country.
All of the tracks sound pretty good, but It is very easy to hear the difference between the PT tracks and the Paris tracks. Which sound you prefer is obviously up to you.
Hi all. Just more progress towards an overview of the current userbase in 2009; this time I'd like to get an idea of what version folks are working with.
[Sorry if it seems like I keep asking you if you're on Mac or PC, but the polls I do here store no identifying data so I have no idea who already answered "yes" in previous polls.]Hey, Not to necro post. I just got done re-buying all the plugins from my rebuild.
I really was one of the main supporters of the cause and also donated to the skunkworks.
I really did have my studio broke into and the laptop had my DVD in it.
I would gladly pay again if that is what is needed. I just want the content back. Can someone make an ISO or something? I would gladly pay you if that is what is needed.
Even though my 2 MEC 2 controller set is old running on 95 it is a workhorse and I have not really found a good replacement so I wil use it until it dies---I also just purchased all the plugins again!!
I jsut want to get my setup back.Heya Gye - check out this thread here, it's got some news that'll make you happy.Sorry, I've been away. Got real busy with a bunch of stuff at work and the like, and I've been away from the newsgroup (which appears to have left on its own...) and finally found this forum with the help of Neil H.
So, you can blame him.
And yes, Rick, I will ship your card back to you in the next two weeks. Sorry about that, Bro. Things have been hectic here and I spaced.
I still have my Paris rigs, but haven't had the time to mess with them for a year or so except for tracking a houseconcert last month.
Now I'm getting the itch again, not only to finish mixing 7 years of concerts, but I have the opportunity to actually record a new song for a friend.
Here's where I need some advice.
At one of the last One Night Jam concerts, a friend debuted a new song. Haunting, gorgeous melody. And he played it very simply -- piano w/string pad, vox, and a bodhran.
When the concert was over, I was helping Michael pack up and I told him, "You know, when you go to record that song, *that* is the way to record it. Anything else will ruin it."
He agreed with me.
Two albums later, it's still not out there. I emailed him and asked him why.
He said, "Every time we went to record it, what you said came back to me. I tried to get three different producers to let me record it that way, but they refused. We tried it once their way with the band, and it just sounded wrong. So, it's never been released."
And that bugs me. The song is too damn good to sit on the shelf.
I saw him in concert a week or so ago, which reminded me about that song.
So, I emailed him a proposal that I bring my Paris rig to him, and we record it the way we want. I mix it, send it off for mastering, and then he can either put it on as a bonus track on a cd, or as a download. Whatever. I just want the song done.
My live mix is OK, but I've never liked the sound of his digital piano, and there are some rough spots. So, I want to use an acoustic piano, his keyboard for the string pad, the bodhran player, and since his new wife is a phenomenal violinist, either a low violin part or some cello. I'm checking around here to find someone with a grand or baby grand who'd be amenable to a day of recording. I want to keep the recording as "live" as possible, just more controlled. I'll add the "room" with EDS efx.
I've got a friend with a pretty decent mic locker, so I'm covered there.
My problem is with front end. I have either my Mackie VLZpro board or my Behr DDX3216 board. I would really like to use some niceer pres at least on the vox and the piano.
If I ever make any money from this, it won't be much. So, buying a set of 3 or 4 pres is not in my budget. I don't have any rental houses like that close to me, and again, there's the budget thing (my wife was on layoff all summer, so....toy money goes out the window.)
Anyone have some portable pres they'd be willing to lend or rent (for cheap) for a week? Current timeframe is Septemberish.Actually, 2 systems. Two cards in home system, two cards in the mobile rig.
I now have 4 MEC's and 3 C16's.I just got done helping a couple of friends record their new album. Everything was tracked and mixed in Cubase.
I've always read here about the difference between summing in Paris and summing completely natively.
Now I really understand.
The songs they recorded that feature only a small handful of tracks sound cleaner, more "open".
The ones with a lot more instrumentation, not so much. Even the ones that start off simpler -- as soon as the rest of the tracks come in, the mix gets muddier and more constricted. I was wondering what the difference was, then suddenly it occurred to me that what you've been saying about summing was the cause of this.
Really an eye-opener.-so what is the cause?A lot of native DAW's get all "congested" the more stuff you try and jam into the summing bus.
Paris handles it with grace, and says, "Is THAT all you got?"You got it, Paul - the word that consistently keeps coming up in "ten year later" analysis of what's going on inside PARIS is "headroom". Headroom for miles, even (or maybe "particularly") in comparison with the best of today's offerings.
Welcome to the forums, glad you found us!
- Kerry1 MECs, 2 EDS, 2 C16, 2-8 in
kerryg wrote on Sat, 08 August 2009 00:15
Heya Gye - check out this thread here, it's got some news that'll make you happy.
That is great news. I have emailed him. Thx a million.Hi,
I'm getting back into the swing of things after a long break starting a family and all.
Look forward to purchasing the new plugs, great to see things are still evolving in the PARIS world.
I've been planning a new workflow, mainly focussed on "composition" first (if you can call it that). I'm running Ableton Live with about 8 loopers, using the new RME Fireface UC on a '07 Macbook Pro.
I intend to lightpipe that on the fly into Paris, where I like to work on completing the ideas I capture, do overdubs tracking (still can't beat the 'freeform' mode for comping takes!), and of course mixdown.
The Fireface UC has Adat I/O but my MEC doesn't, so I'm in the market for a Paris ADAT card....
Look forward to catching up with the group. Are Sakis and Derek still around?
Cheers,
Amuse
(Pete Alec)Well there's been a lot -
Jason Miles did a tribute to Ivan Lins with Sting, Chaka Khan, Marcus Miller etc a few years back.
The Sting tune won the Grammy for Best Smooth Jazz Vocal I believe.
Carl Amburn has some tracks posted below. All genres, Country, Heavy Rock, Pop RnB, Jazz, Alt Indie have been done. Not easy to grab a disc here or there to post samples...
Ted
I'm thinking a Wiki section with "recorded in PARIS", "mixed in PARIS" or "recorded and mixed in PARIS", including links, might be timely. I'll see how quick I can get to it.Hi- I am looking for the instruction manual for an ADAT MEC card. Any one have a .pdf?
Thanks,
Phil
kerryg wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 11:51
I'm thinking a Wiki section with "recorded in PARIS", "mixed in PARIS" or "recorded and mixed in PARIS", including links, might be timely. I'll see how quick I can get to it.
that would be cool.
do you guys know of an electronica, disco or italian disco that was made with paris?Pretty sure Dimitrios does electronica...Heya Philip - the ADAT manual was definitely harder to find than the other ones. But it's in the "Reference Library" at the Wiki along with all the other docs I'm collecting. You need to sign up for the Wiki (free and automatic, of course) to access the library.
But you can also still access the ADAT manual directly at Doug's ParisFAQs site. It's trickier to navigate to now the links there are mostly 404'd, but this link should take you directly to it.
Hope that helps!
- KWell hey guys... I got good news and bad news.... and some stuff in between.
First, I have spent considerable time into ascertaining whether or not Kim was first of "okay" and secondly, what he's been up to and how that may have affected the newsgroup. After hundreds of emails outgoing and incoming, a clear picture has emerged. Unfortunately, I cannot share the *entire* picture.
I have learned that Kim has some decent caring loving friends all around the planet who love and care about him. A few of them are now my friends, too.
Without divulging too much personal info, Kim made some decisions regarding his health around 10 months ago which went against the advice of doctors and friends and eventually his employer.
Kim became increasingly despondent toward and isolated from most (but not all) of his friends over the last year and eventually just up and left AU for continental Europe for a musical walk-about of sorts. I've established that only one or two folks have had contact with him since he left AU about 3 months ago. So he is still alive and is working through some rather serious health issues. The best contact between Kim and any one person is less frequent than once every 3 to 4 weeks and is mostly minimal.
Kim left his gig with the radio station some time ago on not-so-good terms. At this point in time, only one person knows where he is and will not say where he is exactly, or what his plans are. This person did, however, say that she has communicated our concern collect to Kim as his friends. I made sure to let EVERYONE know that WE were all concerned for him first... everything else be damned.
My belief is that Kim simply has far too much troubling his mind right now to bother with any NG. Based on what I have learned (but cannot share here) I do NOT believe that the old NG will EVER be back up and running. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong but that is my increasingly instinctual and logical conclusion for whatever it is worth to you guys.
I say we move on to another host. Appears to be some desire and willingness to do that.
I'll repost this as a new topic herein.
Regards,
Mark WilsonThis is a repost message I just dropped on an older thread here... just wanted to catch everyone's attention with this important message...
IMPORTANT NOTICE: THE OLD NG IS ***NOT*** COMING BACK
Firstly, I have spent considerable time ascertaining whether or not Kim was first of "okay" and secondly, what he's been up to and how that may have affected the newsgroup. After hundreds of emails outgoing and incoming, a clear picture has emerged. Unfortunately, I cannot share the *entire* picture.
I have learned that Kim has some decent caring loving friends all around the planet who love and care about him. A few of them are now my friends, too.
Without divulging too much personal info, Kim made some decisions regarding his health around 10 months ago which went against the advice of doctors and friends and eventually his employer.
Kim became increasingly despondent toward and isolated from most (but not all) of his friends over the last year and eventually just up and left AU for continental Europe for a musical walk-about of sorts. I've established that only one or two folks have had contact with him since he left AU about 3 months ago. So he is still alive and is working through some rather serious health issues. The best contact between Kim and any one person is less frequent than once every 3 to 4 weeks and is mostly minimal.
Kim left his gig with the radio station some time ago on not-so-good terms. At this point in time, only one person knows where he is and will not say where he is exactly, or what his plans are. This person did, however, say that she has communicated our concern collect to Kim as his friends. I made sure to let EVERYONE know that WE were all concerned for him first... everything else be damned.
My belief is that Kim simply has far too much troubling his mind right now to bother with any NG. Based on what I have learned (but cannot share here) I do NOT believe that the old NG will EVER be back up and running. I'd love nothing more than to be proven wrong but that is my increasingly instinctual and logical conclusion for whatever it is worth to you guys.
I say we move on to another host. Appears to be some desire and willingness to do that.
I'll repost this as a new topic herein.
Regards,
Mark WilsonMark, thank you SO much for posting that. Kim's safety and happiness are the prime concern.
As far as I'm concerned he went far and above the call of duty keeping the NG together for so long and helping make these forums possible; he'll never "owe an explanation" for simply choosing to move on. He already did his duty, and far beyond, these many years.
My best wishes for a full recovery are with him, as well as my hopes we'll see him again in the fullness of time.Just moving this comment to the new thread - Mark, thank you SO much for posting that. Kim's safety and happiness are the prime concern.
As far as I'm concerned he went far and above the call of duty keeping the NG together for so long and helping make these forums possible; he'll never "owe an explanation" for simply choosing to move on. He already did his duty, and far beyond, these many years.
My best wishes for a full recovery are with him, as well as my hopes we'll see him again in the fullness of time.MEI am trying to use Paris A/D converters using Paris ADAT card optical into Pro Tools 002 for recording. I have a project that needs to go into Pro Tools, but I would like to use Paris converters. Anyone have any luck with this. Is it even possible?
If so how do you config it. Thanks much Johnny.Wow, I've been so out of touch for so long, but you just answered one of my main questions. I hope Kim is OK and that he knows we're here for him.
S
Hey, let's not forget "Wayward" by Sarahtonin, recorded and mixed entirely in PARIS. I think it's pretty awesome, though I may be slightly biased.
It's also on iTunes, Rhapsody, and a bunch of that kind of stuff.
Sarah
I spoke with Kim on the phone onece, and he is the nicest guy in the world. I'm so sorry to hear that he's having such a rough time. If there is ever anything I can do to help him, I'm there.
so my paris system i bought on ebay came loaded with 2 eds cards on a mac g4. a c16 and fully loaded mec. well it didnt work. it froze whenever i opened it on the mac. I never could get the c16 to power on either.
so i decided today to install it on my XP PC...well that doesnt work either. It shut down my pc 3 times just upon opening it, the c16 still doesnt light up and where do I get the response to the challenge from? I'm assuming support@intdevices.com ?
I followed the instructions on mike audets multicore driver cdrom, and i also followed this page as well: http://www.kerrygalloway.com/WikiPARIS/wikka.php?wakka=WinXp DriverInstallDoc
this is so frustrating. i spent about $2100 on this system and its still not working.
i dont know what is wrong with this paris system that i bought, but its been a nightmare. i bought it about a year ago and its been nothing but a headache. the mec and the c16 look brand new with no scratches at all.
can anyone help me out?Im also getting a warning upon launch of paris:
Invisible end tag incorrect from special ioct!
what does that mean?Hi Nainoa,
The fact that PARIS is locking up your whole PC when you try to load it up is worrying. I rewrote sections of the scherzo driver very carefully so that the driver could not do that. You may have a hardware problem. It could be as simple as a bent pin on one of the SCSI cables that connects an MEC or 442 to the EDS cards, or you could have a bad card or interface. My suggestion is to install only one card in your system and see if you can get a simple, one card system working. If the first card you try doesn't work, try the other one. If neither work, try a different interface, etc.
As for the challenge response, just send an email to support@intdevices.com. They should get back to you quickly.
I'm sorry that you've had such trouble. This can be resolved, though!
All the best,
MikeAhh - don't know if this is a possible culprit, but - did you remember to update your PACE drivers as well? The version of PACE that shipped with the PC version of PARIS is a disaster waiting to happen.Well, for me my favorite is Anthony Smith's "If That Ain't Country" mixed my Brian Tankersley http://www.amazon.com/That-Aint-Country-Anthony-Smith/dp/B00 0068TMU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250479668&sr=8-1 ...not just for Paris, but for a great mix period...he also mixed some Sawyer Brown and Chad Brock tunes in Paris that were all over country radio...Just remembered there is a Toby Mac record that has some Chris Lord Alge SSL mixes along with some Brian Paris mixes that is a very cool comparison...
TedThanks to all of you for contributing these - they're going to form the basis of said Wiki page as soon as I can get to it (home/professional life has been insistent this last couple of weeks ).Wow, keep us informed and let Kim know we are thinking of him. If there is anything we can do let me know... thanks.Here are a couple bluegrass projects I've done that were recorded and mixed on a Paris sys.
http://www.plages.net/index.cfm?c=album&id=252thanks mark for you hard work and i understand the need to honor and protect kims privacy. and so, all i can add are my best wishes to kim and fast solution/resolution to whatever are his problems.Sorry about that Chris, I corrected my post...I am always mixing you up with Dave...I was telling a friend of mine who owns a studio about my project to record my other friend's unreleased song.
He volunteered the use of his "B" studio for tracking, which not only has a grand piano mic'd up with the Earthworks PM40 system, but also a vocal booth and a percussion booth, and PTHD rig.
I got damn lucky on that.
In my mind, I should track to SD2 files instead of wav. Both systems are Macs.
I lean on the collective wisdom of the group. What will provide the least painful import into Paris when I'm done?
If both systems are Mac (PTHD & PARIS) then SD2s are best. If they are stereo files, you can import them directly into PARIS using Audio>Add audio file in the Audio window or the arrange window. (It will split the stereo files ans create PAFs). If none of the files are stereo, and you have a bunch of tracks, using PAF>SD2 convert is faster.
TedNo where near my system right now, but I _think_ if you set the "monitor" mode in the Project Window to "live Mix" or something like that (as opposed to always Monitor Input, or Monitor While Recording) and then in the PatchBay route your audio in straight out through the ADAT outs, as if you were using the ADATs for cue mix sends : ADI In1 - ADAT out1 etc it should work.
Using ADAT sync is another matter, if you're doing multiple takes; punch ins and so oo, then you need to just keep the time line running in PT and cut and paste later, or learn about the ADAT sync requirements for the PARIS ADAT card. Kerry G just posted a link to the manual in another thread...
Ted hmmm, maybe not?I think Martin H is here - also don't forget there might be Aussies reading but not yet logging in.Hi everybody!
My computer hacker whiz kid friend owes me $250. I'm thinking instead of pestering him for the money, I should ask him to build me a new PARIS machine, based on some of the "laundry lists" of parts I see posted here occasionally.
So what can I build for $250 or so that will run PARIS in XP as well or better than this old, reliable Windows 98 Celeron beast? (I wouldn't mind if the new machine was quieter than said beast.)
Ideally, I'd like to just hand my friend a shopping list, and have him hand me a new machine a few days later. But, if he's not into it, I might be able to just do it myself.
So . . . what're the latest theories on the ideal PARIS rig?
You probably know this already, but if my recollection is correct, the PARIS app will refuse to import SDII files unless you remember to actually label them with the .sd2 file extension, ie kick.sd2. It won't just see them by their type/creator code like other Mac apps; that was a brief show-stopper for me until I realized what was going on.Good call. That was something I knew, but had forgotten about.Ted--I just got my DVD as well--Thank you so much. Just let me know where to send you some funds or let me know what I can do for you.
Greatly appreciated.
Guy Eckelberger
Shutup & Play StudiosIs it possible to send audio from one computer's ADAT out (e.g. Ableton Live with RME fireface) to the ADAT in on my MEC and then record/mix those tracks in PARIS?
I'm starting to get the feeling that I bought an ADAT card in vain, and that it only supports working with actual ADATs
Hope I'm wrong....?Hi Amuse, yes it is possible, I do it all the time tracking into Paris. I send 8 tracks out of box#1 via CubaseSX/Pulsar adat out into box#2 running Paris/MEC/Adat. Playback in Cubase is controlled by Paris via midi clock using midioverLan (not the best, but it works OK for printing VSTIs). Configure the audio routing in both boxs patchbays, set Pulsar clock to slave and everything works fine.
Good Luck
RobHi Sarah, check out DNafe's new box built around the Asus PB5 mb.
A bit more that $250 though.
The second 500 gig HD brought the price in at just over $800 CDN but we did get a steal on the motherboard and RAM...I think it would have been a little over a grand otherwise.
That being said it is a killer rig and ultra quiet
DonHi Rob, does it only work in a master/slave configuration or is there a way to just patch the signals in and monitor them regardless of playback or recording status?Yes, I can playback in Cubase and monitor via Paris with tracks record enabled.
RobUse the Brian Tankersley routing trick, which permits you to leave your ADAT tracks in an "always audible" mode, completely independent of your record or monitor status. You can leave them running sync'd, "print" them to the track whenever you like by putting the track into record enable, or mute them by muting the "External" input.
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Brian's great tip can minimize one use of a patchbay by eliminating one annoyance involved in patching equipment to PARIS inputs - "monitoring patched equipment without needing to be in 'record enable'"
Live Monitor and Record at the Same Time:
- Set all the *TOP* EDS inserts on your Paris ppj template to
External. Then put all of the individual External inserts in Bypass. You
should save the ppj that way. This assumes you don't use 4 EDS inserts
at once.
- Whatever your Input source is to a given channel of the Paris
Mixer, in the Patchbay, patch it to both the Mixer and also to the
Insert Return (top row) of the Insert Block. So any Input patch goes to
the both the Mixer in and the Insert return of the same channel. i.e.,
MEC Input 1 goes to Mixer Input 1 *and* Insert 1 Return (top row).
- You (unfortunately) must complete the Insert loop by connecting
each Insert Send (bottom row) to another point. If you don't use
external FX returns, you could just patch all 16 Insert Sends to the FX
Returns (top row). Or use some of the MEC Master patch points. Or some
other combo that works for you.
- Save this as your default ppj [and/or as a Patchbay setup] and you're
good.
When you want Live input without Record Enable, just pop on the
External EDS insert on any channel. You'll get the input, complete with
any other EDS inserts, EQ, FX sends....the whole enchilada just like you
were in Record Ready and Always Monitor Input. If you want to hear
what's already been recorded on that channel as is normal for Paris,
just bypass the External EDS insert.
Regards,
Brian T
Thanks, I've done this but I'm just not getting any signal. Should "Optical Lock" light on the ADAT card's MEC front panel be lit?
I don't have the "Sync" light lit but the "Active" and "Optical Lock" lights are both lit. For optical Lock to be lit, I believe you have to be connected bi-directionally, ie both Fireface ADAT out to PARIS ADAT In and vice versa.
Check your ADAT cables are good (cheap at any decent-sized computer place nowadays), make sure "ins" are patched to "outs", make certain both machines are set to the same sample rate (try 48k on both for simplicity), and double check that both machines know which is supposed to be the "master" and which the "slave".Cool, I got it all working... was missing a minor step of telling the RME Fireface UC's optical audio setting to ADAT.Hi my Paris buddys!
Does this work: Two eds cards and each one is connected to an interface 442 and I try to record all 8 inputs?
Or does Paris refuse to work with two 442s for any reason?
Thanks!I've never owned a 442, but the manual seems to indicate that should be completely fine. I don't think you can record the inputs of both 442s into one submix simultaneously, you'd record eight tracks simultaneously by recording four tracks into one submix and four into another (but that's just me guessing based on what I've read).
Actually, I'd wonder if you could record twelve tracks simultaneously by taking advantage of the SP/DIF ins of both 442s too (I can do it with the MEC). All you'd need is external A/D convertors - if you need extra inputs and one of the sources you're recording is eg. a keyboard, guitar POD or preamp with SP/DIF out, just use SP/DIF instead of using up analog ins. I can't recall for sure, but if memory serves, I might once have actually used a DAT machine in "record pause" when I was pinched for an extra pair of inputs. 2 442s is fine but you'll need to connect word clock out of 442(1) to word clock in of 442(2) and make sure sync is set to internal ...unless you're running a external word clock (the UseHouseSync=1 int he paris.cfg).
Can actually do up to 8 channels per 442 if you have 2 Interface2's (6 analog 2 digital channels per). Just remember you're only getting 16 bits off the if/2's (was it 16 or 20 off the 442's? it's been a while).
Hello Parisites,
I currently use a Equitek CAD e100 (not available anymore 1996-97 era) for my studio recordings. Similar CAD would be the e300. The e100 is a bit thin, a bit harsh and a little dirty.
I did a lame headphone check with my Shure 87C and it sounded about the same. The Shure has just a bit more low mid warmth.
Can you guys give me a quick low down on your favorite male vocal mic from the list below?
Here are my choices:
All large diaphram condensors. Used for male tenor voice. Includes prices. Some include external shock mounts.
Rode NT2-$400, NT1000-$350, NT2000-$600
Neuman TLM 103MT-$1000, TLM 49-$1500
AKG C414 B-XLS or XLII both $1000
Audio-Technica AT4047-$600
Blue?
I don't understand dual-diaphram. Should I get a transformerless? What about FETs? Do I need a shock mount if the tripod stand sits on a rug covering concrete?
I'm looking for minimal coloration, fairly flat, warm and rich but clear and just a touch of presence.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
WayneSo, I've come to a crossroads. I'm going to rewire everything in my studio to neaten things up, and will take this opprtunity to also spruce up some of the hardware.
I'm a Mac guy. Always have been (except when I was an Amiga guy).
However, considering that driver development has died at OS9, and it doesn't seem that any of the attempts to create OSX drivers are going to happen, I'm faced with a choice.
My G4 is very long in the tooth. Mike Audet's magical goodies are Windows-flavored. I also have a P4 Dell tower sitting here with nothing to do. The siren song of a much faster (2GHz vs. 450MHZ) processor for native plugins is in my ears.
As long as I build it as an optimized Paris machine, and leave the internet crap to either my G5 or my other Dell tower, will I be happy running Paris under XP? Will I notice a difference? Do Chuck's plugins come in Windows flavor?
I guess I'm also looking at the relative costs of multi-head video cards for windows vs. the same card for a Mac, especially an older Mac. I have fancy-assed video cards for Windows on hand.
I've always liked the "Just plug the card in and it works" aspect of Paris:Mac. I've enjoyed seeing pages and pages of tweaks to make it happy under Windows. But it looks like I may need to go that route.
One more question: If I bought a bundle from ebay, and it included a 3.0 cd with license sticker, will ID still authorize me? I have no freakin' clue who the original owner was to transfer it over to me.
Thanks.
Hey Wayne - you might also want to take a look at Advanced Audio mics. Some pretty cool studios up here just rave about their C12-inspired mic (I was on a session that used several of those recently in different roles and they killed) and his CM47 is also getting seriously good reviews (this is what Tape Op Magazine and Lynn Fuston had to say).Paul,
XP with Mike's current driver should be stable and you'll love the new effects. Chuck's originals that Mike hasn't tweaked work as well, although I think there was a couple I remember on the newgroup that should be avoided (can't remember which one(s)). Is it as plug and play as Mac usually is? No. But if you follow the setup procedure that are documented (I think it is in the wiki), you should be fine. Wouldn't suggest any newer than XP Service Pack2. I'm still running SP1. I have paris 3.0 on a P4 3.0ghz and it works fine (although it's been in a box while the new studio room is being built).
The licensing question is really an ID question. They should be able to identify the license by the hardware S/N's, if 3.0 originally came with it.
I believe it's the Freebie Pack, they can interfere with the compressors. Drop ID an email and explain the situation, I doubt they'll give you any problems with the licensing.
I'm on SP3 here; wonder if I should be looking at changing that?
I'd reckon that the decision to change platforms is really about "are you happy with it the way it is?". If you are - if it suits your style of music, your style of recording already - I'd hesitate to change what works for you.
If you aren't content - if you want more than what you have with PARIS - more FX, more hardware possibilities, the possibility of some form of integration/cooperation with newer software - the only way you'll see it is to bite that bullet and switch, and resign yourself to a certain amount of tweaking. That can actually be less than it seems, since a certain amount of those tweaking instructions are really about squeezing the last drops of performance out of computers that are now many years obsolete; the IRQ issues that seem to have been amongst the most significant ball-busters are pretty much solved with Mike's new drivers. I've had pretty good luck, although tweaking is still ongoing.Thanks Kerry.
I checked out the reviews and listened to an audio sample of the Advanced Audio CM47 vs the Audio Technica AT4047 and I hear the lower freq warmth that I'm looking for. Attached is the audio sample (111K mp3).
However, I'd really like to stay away from tube mics. Anyone else ready to chime?
Thanks,
WayneIn case you missed it, they have a CM-47 FET version too, priced at $289 (!), but I don't know anything about it. I'll ask Paul Baker if he's tried it (he's just using Dave's mics now, his Neumanns seldom get out of their boxes nowadays). Although this is a totally different thing, Dave's CM-54 mics are excellent too. I've seen some new products he hasn't got up on the site yet, such as tube SDCs and a tube ribbon mic.I can't comment on any of the mics on your list, but I can tell you I love my Studio Projects C-1 on my voice. Don't know if you are looking outside of the list or not, but a good choice IMHO..By the way I don't know about their newer models I have both generations of the C-1Thanks Jim,
I was wondering about Studio Projects. I'd heard some buzz.
I just read a boat load of reviews on the C1. Found this.
3 attached mp3's.
akg414 - some low mid muddiness in this sample - reminds me of Paris before my benchmark DAC and BigBen clock.
u87 - excellent presence
spC1 - similar tone to u87 but with less presence, slightly less fullness
I'll take anymore comments. Thanks guys.
Wayne
I want to add that SP customer service is outstanding. I purchased my second C-1 on EBAY not working- bad capsule- for 19.00. They fixed it for free.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzlXdlWiYU
Paris all the way bro..... I have used most of those mics. It's hard to say what a mic is going to do with a particular voice, in a particular room with a particular preamp, but if'n I had to just grab the one I thought would work best for male vox, it would be the 4047.
That's a cool album - I still put it on my iPod now and then.It's a classic, IMO.
Here's a couple of my old Paris mixes circa 2005. These were tracked to Paris at 44.1, 24 bit. I still enjoy listening to this project.
hey thanks! I´ll try that soon!
I think its 20 bit...OK, I'll try to make this short and simple . . .
I've been syncing Cubase (5) to PARIS (2.xx) with great success for years now. But now if I open up a new PARIS project (new.ppj), Cubase loses sync, and does so at the same times, no matter which song file (.all) is open.
With a low dropout setting, you can actually see the Cubase "stop" button flash for a bit at about 10 seconds, and again at about 34 seconds. Same spots each pass.
The pattern goes like this: I start PARIS from zero, Cubase locks up pretty well til that hiccup at about 10 seconds, then it's a fraction of a second behind. It suddenly locks back up pretty well just after 20 seconds, but you can hear it slowly drifting back a hair. Then it locks up perfectly at about thirty seconds, and loses it badly again at about 34 seconds.
It doesn't matter which Cubase song is open, but if I open a PARIS project that has previously sync'd fine to Cubase, it continues to sync just fine, even if I change the Cubase song.
This tells me, I think, that there's something wrong with my new.ppj file?
I'm open to suggestions . . .
Thanks,
Sarah
PS: I tried PARIS v3, but I couldn't make Cubase respond at all to it.MIDI sync, ADAT or time code? and I assume Paris is Master?Hmmm... I'm undoubtedly telling you stuff you know already, but the "new" menu entry creates a new file from scratch *unless* you have a PPJ in the app folder named "Default Project.PPJ", in which case it creates it from that. So - do you use a Default Project.PPJ, and could it simply be corrupted? If you use one, quit PARIS, remove the Default Project.PPJ, reboot PARIS and then hit "new". Your settings will be gone, so recreate them and check if the problem persists.
If it does persist, as a short-term workaround you might try to making a copy of one of your known Cubase-friendly PPJs and using it as the basis of a new Default Project. Call the copy Default Project.PPJ, and save it somewhere besides your PARIS folder (say on your desktop). Clear (not delete!) all the audio out of it, clear all the automation, zero the mixer and re-save the song. Then swap it for the one in your PARIS folder and check it.
[It would actually sound like a conflict between "drop" set in one and "non-drop" set in the other, if only the hiccups were at the "one minute" mark. I got bitten by that in a Big Name Studio once. The assistant told me he was sending me drop frame, but it wasn't, which led to some not-very amusing interactions between the click and the rhythm section, and always in the same spot at 01:01:00:00 ]
- KThanks DJ,
This is what I thought might happen. I'd receive a several responses and each would favor a different mic. This is good. I still have to pick but feel that each will hold it's own.
I believe that the mic's at Guitar Center are one of the things they don't demo out due to health reasons, but I'd like to trial each at home. I doubt it. But I'm gonna try. They don't have a mic room.
I'll take any other inputs too.
WayneI always loved the TLM103 as a good "all - rounder".
Hmmm... is there a studio with an extensive mic locker in your area that you could book an hour in for a shootout? An hour or two of studio time would be a worthwhile price to pay, and you could listen to the examples at home. If you explain what you're doing, I'm certain there'd be folks who'd be more than happy to go well out of their way to help.Hi Kerry,
Thanks, an excellent idea for analysis. I'll check into booking a studio. I hadn't thought of bringing home the sample waves. Maybe a talking sentence and vocal arpeggio scales using a mouth blown guitar tuner for reference. Thanks, WayneHey Wayne - you could also prepare a "no vox" mix of a section of a tune you do. Pick a song you know really well and tend to sing consistently; render it out without vocals, trim it down to say 30 sec (just enough preroll to hear your "in", and then enough for a couple of phrases), do a little fade in and fade out on it, dump it onto a thumb drive as a WAV and bring it to the studio with you. Dropping it into the DAW there will be quick, get relative levels once and there you are, ready to test in "real world" conditions, all they need to do between takes is rewind/swap mics/match levels.
And at the risk of telling you stuff you probably know already: unless your own studio at home is huge - you ain't buying a big room, so don't use theirs - that will add a variable you don't need, track in a booth if that's more like your own work environment. Arrange to have as many mics set up in advance as possible, and make sure they have them all ready to repatch into the same chain. Get them to use a pre as much like yours as possible, or if you're happy with your own, just bring it (some mics don't seem to match particularly well with some pres). If you do include any tube mics (probably not a bad idea, at least for reference - you aren't buying a tube mic today, but who knows, maybe some day you'll be in the market, and then you'll have the clips) then make sure they have 'em plugged in and warmed up, not sitting cold in a box waiting for their turn!Jeff - using MIDI time code, yes, PARIS is master
Kerry - Some good suggestions. I had thought of clearing out a working project file as you suggested and saving that as my new.ppj. It just seems weird to me that the MTC is generated from the project file. I guess I assumed that would be a hardware thing.
Anyway, I'll mess with it some more tonight.
Thanks.
Sarah J ToninHi Kerry,
No problem.
I had considered a no vox song and conducting my test in the dry vocal booth with flat identical chains. I hadn't considered taking my pre. That's a real good idea.
My pre is the PreSonus Eureka. Not the top of the line gear but not bad either. I had picked this up a few years back after researching better than average budget pres. Many reviews stated that it was a good buy at $550 bucks.
And it did make my CAD e100 nicer. It's a multi-unit with simulated tube saturation (even harmonics), compressor and EQ. I run it almost flat on the EQ, a bit of input compression and about 50% saturation. It also has a impedance selector with 50,150,600,1500 and 2500 ohms and phantom. Varying the impedance can dramatically change the tone. I use 150 because the CAD is <= to 200 as most of the mics I listed are in the 200 range but a couple are 50.
I'll let you know when all is said and done. Thanks.
WayneKerry,
Basically, I want the ability to run Mike's stuff, and I need more processor power.
The last project I mixed used quite a few native plugs, and I was running out of processor power. There just weren't enough EDS inserts available, so the combo was really taxing the 450MHz G4.
I will try to set it up over the weekend and see how it goes. I'll use all of the "XP for audio" tricks to strip out everything I don't need, and I'll follow the howto on the faq's to the letter.
I don't remember -- where are Chuck's plugins downloaded from now?
Thanks.Mike,
Since I've decided to give XP a try, where do I find all your XP gooderness? I suppose I could fire up Agent and browse through the postings in the old group, or could just be lazy and post here.
Also, since I can't find the actual specs on the pci slots in either of the Dells I have, are the 3.3v slots physically smaller? That is, if the EDS card fits in the slot, is it a 5v slot?
Thanks.Paul there is a link to Mike at the top of this page...JimWell, duhhh.....
You mean I should actually read those little letters?
Hmmm....
Whoa! It's a veritable cornucopia of Paris goodness. Imagine that?
I'm going back into my cave now..... I believe (but can't say for certain) that PCI slots are "keyed" (the channel the card sits in has a divider breaking it into two slots of unequal length corresponding to the two tabs of contacts on the EDS card), meaning that only cards that will work will physically fit in the slot.
As to the header at the top - yep, the idea was to get all PARIS links in one handy spot close at hand, so you can find the resources you need directly. Hope it's useful.Heya Paul - they're at Doug's ParisFAQs site. With his recent hosting changes the links there give 404s, but the files themselves still exist at the moment; you can usually obtain them by copying the link and editing the first part.
2) Right-click any linked file (say the Skunkworks plugs) and choose "copy link"
3) Paste the link into the address bar of your browser
4) The resulting link will be prefixed with:
http://www.parisfaqs.com/
You want to delete just that part of the link, including the slash (don't delete any of the file path info after it, the directory structure there still seems to be intact).
5) Now copy this text and paste it at the beginning of the link where the previous info was:
http://homepage.mac.com/osxlover/ParisFAQs/
Doublecheck the resulting link for typos (extra or omitted slashes etc) and then click to download your file.
[I really have to get those downloaded and relinked - that job's working its way up a somewhat crowded PARIS priority list, but studio stuff has also been keeping me running lately]
OK, sounds like you are definitely a prime candidate for the PC plunge then. Prepare for a period of strong emotions - both serious frustration ("I have to do what manually???") and serious exhilaration ("wait, I can do what now???") Hi Folks-
I'm using an Apogee Big Ben for wordclock-ing my system. What is the benefit of
pasting the "UseHouseSync=1" command into the paris.cfg file?
Is this a PC only directive, or is it relevant to Macs as well?
Currently I'm on Mac but planning to migrate to PC this fall. So far, with OS9, I've just been selecting "Word Clock" on the Project page, and it seems to be working fine.
TIA
TedGlad you got it!. I'm just back from vacation, sorry I didn't respond sooner.
No money is needed. The real thanks goes to Aaron Allen & Brian Tankersley.
TedThe bizarreness increases . . .
Clearing out a working project and saving that as my "Default Project.ppj" Did the trick. But here's what seems really crazy:
1. If I add the audio file "Click Sound.wav" to my Default Project, the sync weirdness previously described returns.
2. I sometimes use that click sound to make a click track, but the file doesn't even have to be on the playing field -- it's presence in the audio bin is enough to cause the problem.
3. Clearing the the click file from the audio bin doesn't not fix the sync problem, even if it has never been played. It's as though once it's been there, the damage is done.
4. If I add any file to the Default Song from the sync-challenged song, such as a guitar or bass take, that will also cause the hiccups at 10 and 34 seconds and the other weirdness.
So I have pretty much fixed the problem by creating the new Default Project, but I'm baffled as to how on earth the sync can go bonkers just from the mere presence of that click file, or any audio file that shared a song with it.
I'm no programmer, but doesn't that seem pretty crazy?
SarahYep, bizarre indeed; evidently a .wav that's corrupted in such a way that once added to a song it can't be fully cleared. Oh well - glad it's solved!
- KBeen a while, again. Glad to see this place is thriving.
I'm getting that "data streaming" error code again, you know, "adjust the parameters or get a faster drive" thing. I'm running WinXP on a dual Pentium 4 3 gig with a gig of RAM. Both drives are basically new and 7200 RPM, and both are mostly empty, with the audio drive being recently formatted.
I've got 1 EDS card and 1 MEC, with the system synched to a Lucid Genx6-96, along with 2 Kurzweil boxes. I'm running some version of Mike's multi-processor drivers, the first one that had the C-16 issues sussed out.
Any help appreciated. BTW, I'm healty and happy again, mostly, so any help I can do with further beta-testing or whatever is my pleasure.
Jimmy
Here's my current config:
* Cache Size in MB
CacheSize=128
* Overview cache size in KB
OvwCacheSize=2048
* I/O configuration
IOSize=64
* SubMix Cache Size in KB
SubMixCacheSize=256
ManualRecDelay=4096
RecXFadeLen=20
Use32BitWinMTC=0
DisableDirectX=0
UseHouseSync=1
MasterOutputCard=0
ScrubMaxRate=1
WheelSensitivity=20
WheelInertia=69
MidiPlayDisabled=1
Well, hell.
Found out tonight that not only is the OEM psu completely underpowered (which doesn't surprise me in the least, but I was hoping to at least get Windows installed so I could buy Mike's driver next payday...) but the damn thing is also dead.
So, now I have to wait until I can get a beefy psu before I can do anything. Fortunately, it appears that Dell uses standard ATX boxes on the towers and not some stupid custom size, so I can hit Newegg and get a Thermaltake 700w or so, but again, it's going to have to wait until payday or a bunch of crap sells on ebay.
If it's not one thing, it's another.
Shit.I keep seeing modules for the 500-series racks and lunchboxes. I've been curious -- was this just a modular thing that API came up with, or did these start out as modules in a vintage API console that someone decided would make great outboard gear?
I've tried googling and can't come up with an answer.Dude I was running a 450, and got tired of it being slow, got on ebay, snagged a 733 g4 digital audio, put in 2 new drives, a new battery for the mother board, and new ram, and at least for the moment, I'm happy. Ive thought of going pc as well, but not yet! Long live the OLD G4.One of my clients just finished this and put it on YOU TUBE. You get to see a brief glimps of my Studio. Go to jessenashvillejames . One word, Jesse Nashville James, but no spaces. I'd love to hear ideas on this YOU TUBE mix, please let me know. Oh, all the instruments were played by me, minus the acoustic gtr. Real drums, bass, 12 string electric through Leslie, slide on feedback gtr, FAKE strings, (oh well no budget).Oh, and my brother doing the Chris Cornellish screaming in the background. Any thoughts on eq or compression would be gladly accepted! John Houston
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETBmP4KiiDYJust listened on my son's lap top, yuck! But it sounded great when I plugged in my wife's iPOD phones.Thanx, John HoustonOutstanding video. Very dark but intriging vibe going on here. Scary yet enlightening. Clips are well selected and placed. Splicing the indoor studio clips gets the artist recognition. The outside TV clips sets the spooky. And I like the overall blueish filter. Pale blood suckers. Even Jesse's guitar fits. You got a winner. Best video I've seen this year.
Cool song. Top notch performance and producing. It breathes. Not too many words. Less is more. It pulls me in. Great arrangement. Inspires me to write outside the box.
wayneok i'm helping a friend who is on 2.2 and i have a number of questions because i can't seem to remember the answers. i don't use paris during recording anymore.. it's just a summing box for me now. paris just sits on my 98se machine waiting to do what it does that we all love.
#1. can 2.2 and 3.0 exist comfortably on the same 98se machine?
#2. what were the tweaks/partial fixes for the "Que project" error? something involving tweaking the paris .cfg file and setting up your disk i/o and overview settings correctly?
#3. didn't we narrow down the parameters/circumstances in which the "Que..." error would occur so we'd avoid it?
#3. wasn't their some who had a "secret/unreleased" 3.1 beta with the "Que project" error fixed? Sandy are you still around these parts??
#4. where can i find that old link to the 98se and paris tweaks for audio optimization?
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!! i know those are alot of questions and all of your help is greatly appreciated! time is valuable. grazi!
Recorded (mostly) and mixed (entirely) in Paris. Me on electric guitars. My good friend Tony Denikos wrote 'em, sang 'em and played acoustic guitars.
http://www.soundclick.com/tonydenikosok i'm helping a friend who is on 2.2 and i have a number of questions because i can't seem to remember the answers. i don't use paris during recording anymore.. it's just a summing box for me now. paris just sits on my 98se machine waiting to do what it does that we all love.
#1. can 2.2 and 3.0 exist comfortably on the same 98se machine?
maybe we take 1 question at a time?
thanks!Hi Jeremy - there's some info on the WIki about tptQue - there are different tptQue errors, what specific error numbers are they?
Quote:
Hey Pete,
I've dealt with this issue quite a bit.
I've even caused it on purpose to try to figure out how to fix it.
(recording with looping on (with no punch points) will cause it)
Anyway, in ALL cases that I've seen, the error seems to be caused
by a corrupted segment on the playing field.. actually, I believe
it is caused by a corrupted crossfade, to be specific.
Whenever, I get this error, I remove the last take/edit from the playing
field (between the dialogs popping up), save, quite and restart paris.
At this point, the problem seems to go away.
Good luck!
Bill
Try increasing your disk cache and overview sizes in the Config menu. On
the problem project, clear the Undo buffer and delete the Markers.
I never have that problem anymore (like once every 6 months now) since I
increased my disk cache size to 128MB and my overview to 21000KB.
BT
Pablo wrote:
> My paris system has gotten into the habit of crashing
> very often, and the message I get is:
>
> _tptQueProject:Error in queing Project Error code 1879048233/70000029
>
> It automatically closes after this and I lose whatever I haven't
> saved (obviously). Today, while in the mixing stage of the recording,
> one of the songs did it as soon as I opened it. It used to do it while
> a song was playing or recording but this time it did it as soon
> as I opened it. I would click "ok" and it would keep coming up over and
> over so I would end task and restart only to get the same result.
> Eventually I just let it sit for a couple of minutes and it stopped
> doing it. Any idea what could have caused this? Or what causes
> all the other crashes I've had similiar to this one?
>
> I used to have this problem when I tried to use the wave editor
> so I stopped using that function. But I haven't gone near the
> wave editor since.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Never heard of a secret, unreleased beta myself, sounds intriguing. John's PARISNotes are linked in the header up top, there's great configuration info there; I've organized some of it in the Wiki here.
I am running Paris on a G4 733 Digital Audio. I also have a G4 667 Digital Audio for back up when I need to service the 733.Hey Gantt, very nice sound! Did you track the piano and drums? The whole thing is very clean and open, lots of space. I dig it, good job. Check out my You Tube tune. All tracks recorded in Paris, and mixed as well. I played all the instruments, real drums, bass, 12 string electric through Leslie, feedback slide gtr , then synth strings. My client played acoustic, and sang lead. My brother did the hi screaming vox. G4s rule!Hey Kerry, It would be cool to have the ability to search for members by the city they live in. I live in BFE,(Hurricane Ut.) (very near ZION National Park!) but play in Vegas, SLC, Phoenix, and weird little spots all over Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming. I'd love to have lunch, or swap Paris info in person, with folks near me, if only I could find them. Anyhow, just a thought. Networking amongst Parisheads could only be GOOD for the soul! John HoustonReaper is PC only?That'd be a great idea, John... I'll have to think about whether I could make that work technically.
I think for starters we couldn't go wrong posting more frequent reminders for folks to get themselves on the PARIS Map Doug started so folks can get a good idea of who's where geographically.Reaper is Mac OSX too, and getting closer to feature-equivalent between platforms every day. There's no Mac OS9 version.
Reaper's a killer - I'm doing drum edits in it right now and it kicks Logic to the curb for that.Drums were played and tracked by Timm Bierry in Nashville. Timm's a great drummer/producer/engineer. I wish I could remember what he records to - a Tascam HD unit, maybe? I know he's a Tascam fan. Acoustic pianos recorded by me (Auction Block was one) electronic piano by Scott Smith of Naked Blue.
Thanks for the nice comments and for listening!Hi,
I am a longtime Paris Pro user, and my old PC bit the dust a few months ago, and I am ready to buy or build a new PC on which I'd like to use Paris Pro with the XP drivers.
I currently use 1 EDS card and have a MEC with 12 inputs.
Can anyone recommend either an off the shelf machine, or the specs needed to ensure a good build?
Thank you much,
Tom
We're going to get a database built to help with questions like this, but in the meantime the guidelines are considerably relaxed now that Mike's built the new drivers. It seems to be the general consensus that a machine that's good for digital audio will be generally good for PARIS nowadays.
But this discovery of Mike's bears repeating; Nvidia chipsets appeared to deliver significantly better performance than AMD. Mike was getting the problems while using an expansion chassis, so all info from two EDS cards was being channelled down one PCI slot's pipeline. Perhaps the chipset's comfort with this might be a factor (we don't know), but bottom line is that NVidia chipsets didn't exhibit the same problem.Great electric guitar work. Nice tones and performances.
wayneThanks, Wayne!Thanks - one question that keeps coming up -
Can a "Vista downgrade to Windows XP" operating system work with the new Paris XP drivers?
Last month, my group "Mambo Sons" just released our fourth album for Omnicide Records, a double cd set recorded entirely on Ensoniq Paris Pro 3.0 entitled "Heavy Days" which has been getting very positive press across the country.
For more info and to hear mp3's, visit http://www.MamboSons.comI'm a new Windows user (I grew up on Mac) so I have no idea. Do you have the option of reformatting the drive and installing XP from scratch?I haven't bought the machine yet so I don't know...nice hammond on once in a while. The real thing? Sounds good. did you play it?I own 5 EDS-1000 cards. Three in my main studio computer in a Magma expansion chassis, one in my "road" computer for the occasional remote gig and one in my workshop wondering whether or not it works right.
ganttV.3.0 on Mac.
kerryg wrote on Fri, 07 August 2009 20:03
Hi all. Just more progress towards an overview of the current userbase in 2009; this time I'd like to get an idea of what version folks are working with.
[Sorry if it seems like I keep asking you if you're on Mac or PC, but the polls I do here store no identifying data so I have no idea who already answered "yes" in previous polls.]
I'm pretty sure you're going to have to blow out the hard drive and start from scratch with XP.
I would imagine that Mike A will pop in with his views on this
DonHi John,
Thanks!
That's a real Hammond and Leslie with 3 mics on it, played by Matt Zeiner formerly of Dickey Betts' band. A great player!
Just sent Mike an email...thanks all!Mike's likely busy at the moment.
Folks are going to like what he's busy with ASIO Drivers?
He asks unknowingly
Really nice guitar work.
TedThanks Ted! I love Tony's tunes... makes it a labor of love to to guitar parts for 'em.
ganttHi John,
Thanks for the kind words! I can't find a link to your song. Can you post it again?
gantt
John Houston wrote on Wed, 09 September 2009 18:50
Hey Gantt, very nice sound! Did you track the piano and drums? The whole thing is very clean and open, lots of space. I dig it, good job. Check out my You Tube tune. All tracks recorded in Paris, and mixed as well. I played all the instruments, real drums, bass, 12 string electric through Leslie, feedback slide gtr , then synth strings. My client played acoustic, and sang lead. My brother did the hi screaming vox. G4s rule!
Oops. I meant to say "makes it a labor of love to DO guitar parts for 'em".
ganttmann1 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2009 21:09
Thanks Ted! I love Tony's tunes... makes it a labor of love to to guitar parts for 'em.
gantt
I love the tone on Love impossible.
Great Work, you made paris sound good, or uh.... well may be paris made you sound good, well.... you know what I mean... you both did what you were supposed to do.
jcI am currently running Paris 2.2 but I need to put Paris 3 on. Call me lazy but I just never got around to it, but another paris user that I want to send some tracks to needs me to save my track files and he says I can do each track as a file so he can line it up in his machine.
Can I install Paris 3 without removing Paris 2.2. I do not have any of my original disks so I don't want to lose 2.2, Just in case Paris 3 doesn't work right.
I am open for suggestions...
Thanks,
John CookmanIf I remember correctly you can install 3.0 along with 2.2 but I'd wait until you get further confirmation before doing that.
In the event you do lose it I believe I have 2.2 on CD lying around just in case (I'll check) but trust me once you play around with 3.0 you won't be going back.
The other thing is unless you are getting these tracks back from your friend (with 3.0) you do not need to move up to 3.0 as it will read 2.2 files.Nice stuff indeed...good job on all fronts GanttThanks, JC! Paris certainly makes the job easier. For some reason mixes come together sonically in a way that PT and DP just don't for me.
gantt
jcookman wrote on Tue, 15 September 2009 01:51
I love the tone on Love impossible.
Great Work, you made paris sound good, or uh.... well may be paris made you sound good, well.... you know what I mean... you both did what you were supposed to do.
jc
Thanks Don!
dnafe wrote on Tue, 15 September 2009 06:19
Nice stuff indeed...good job on all fronts Gantt
Great playing, great sounds!
ganttI'm running version 2.2 alongside 3.0 with no issues at all. You don't need to remove 2.2 to install 3.0.
I hope this helps.
All the best,
MikeMy system has been a little shaky for a while now. I thought I had found the problem - a bad MOTU PCI324 card (so I thought) in my Magma 13 slot expansion chassis. Also in the Magma were 3 EDS-1000 cards and 2 UAD-1 cards. Computer is a 1.25 gHz dual processor G4 running OS 9.2.2. Paris v.3. Everything seemed fine for a few days after removing the MOTU card but tonight I was running a mix and the computer froze in mid-air. All I had on the screen was my desktop picture. All icons were gone. Restarted and tried to start Paris and got this:
1st: I/O modules used in this patch setting are not available.
2nd: I/O modules used in this patch setting are not available. Resulting audio may be different then when saved.
3rd: An error occured while reading "Default Project" for now. A new empty project will be created. There are not enough resources available.
4th: Error creating new project. There are not enough free resources available.
So I tried opening one of the projects in the Paris folder - the one w/ reverb presets. Paris crashed and I got an error type 12 message.
I tried rebooting from another drive in the same computer with essentially a mirror of my Paris OS 9 system. Same results. Took EDS cards out one at a time. Same results each time except that one of the cards gave me "Error Code -43/ffffffd5", which, i assume means that card is bad. Still - I have three other cards. So I pulled the Magma card and loaded a card into the Mac's PCI slot. same result w/ every card except the "Error Code -43/ffffffd5" one. I have another G4 w/ Paris installed but so far I have been unable to get the mother*@#%er to boot in OS 9. Had to cancel a client tonight and here I am. Praying for a miracle.
Any ideas?
Sheesh.
Thanks in advance for even WANTING to help ,even if you can't...
ganttyikes-
might want to call the soniq on this one...
tedwhen you put the EDS card in the G4 pci slot, did you use the same slot as the magma chassis card? try another slot if you haven't already
the only time i ever got messages like this was when the EDS card wouldn't/couldn't talk to the MEC - in that case it was because i shorted out the card (and the MEC) by bending one of the pins on the plug...
if you have a bad pci slot in the G4, it would produce the same net result
ted
Hey Ted,
Thanks for the helpful words. I finally have it up again. It was one bad EDS card and, apparently, something corrupted in the Paris software. I finally got my #2 computer running and used it to be sure I had one good card and one good MEC. Got the good card into the #1 computer with the good MEC connected and had the same result. So I reinstalled Paris and it worked. Then I put the good card in the Magma and got that working. Then I put one card in at a time and found the bad one. So I'm back to three EDS cards, two UAD-1 cards and it seems OK. ONe weird thing - Before my A card was submix 1 and my C card was sub 2. Now A is sub 1 and B is sub 2. So I have to reconfigure ALL my projects to match! What a pain!
But it works. Whew.
gantt
Ted Gerber wrote on Wed, 16 September 2009 21:52
when you put the EDS card in the G4 pci slot, did you use the same slot as the magma chassis card? try another slot if you haven't already
the only time i ever got messages like this was when the EDS card wouldn't/couldn't talk to the MEC - in that case it was because i shorted out the card (and the MEC) by bending one of the pins on the plug...
if you have a bad pci slot in the G4, it would produce the same net result
ted
Well, I thought I had it licked. Started getting some weird digital static. Rebooted and the statics gone but so is card 3. I'm done for today! Tomorrow I'll pull the cards, clean the edge connectors and re-seat them. And I'll say a little prayer.
6 hours working on this is enough. Good night!Gantt - if you opened your Mac recently before the problems started, do an *extremely careful* inspection of all your mobo's ribbon connectors to make sure none have been nicked or kinked, or have any sharp bend at all.
I cannot *tell* you how much trouble this one caused a friend of mine - both subtle problems and not-so-subtle. It doesn't always kill a Mac - it can lead to serious problems and flakiness instead.+1 on the cable possibility. The ribbon cables are really cheap (you could probably replace them all for under $5) - and the problems a flaky one can create are potentially extremely serious.
So given the presumed age of that Mac and the number of times it might have been opened over its lifespan and the cables inadvertently "stressed" as cards or drives etc were installed or moved or taken out - it's probably a good idea to just replace them all anyway to be *sure* they aren't the problem, and won't be for years to come.Hey Kerry,
Good advice. Any idea where one would find 'em?
gantt
kerryg wrote on Thu, 17 September 2009 13:42
The ribbon cables are so darned cheap (you could probably replace them all for under $5) - and the problems a flaky one can create are potentially extremely serious.
So given the presumed age of that Mac and the number of times it might have been opened over its lifespan - it's probably a good idea to just replace them anyway to be *sure* they aren't the problem, and won't be for years to come.
I'm guessing your local computer store or an electronics place like Fry's. I've never seen the exact problems you've had, but I've seen that *sort* or *class* of problem from the connectors, if you know what I mean. Take the old ones in with you and check for any "keying" on the connectors since some of those old ones were keyed differently (if I recall, some of them weren't keyed at all).
Hey, if you have another Mac of similar vintage close at hand you could *carefully* (it'll be equally old and fragile) swap the ribbon connector from, you could test the theory right now.I have a Win98 rig purchased from the many-years defunct Soundchaser company in California. I believe the computer is still functioning; however, it's been a while since my last project. Looking to keep PARIS alive for as many years as possible, and I would like to know if it is still possible to have someone build a Win98 computer for me without having to go with an external chassis (too expensive). I'm not terribly erudite when it comes to computers, so please be gentle...
I do a lot of sequencing in my projects, creating MIDI tracks in Cakewalk 5 and then importing them to PARIS. Once in PARIS, I create digital audio files of my MIDI tracks. Not nearly as good as integrated MIDI would be, but I love PARIS otherwise. I also love my old Cakewalk, and am trying to avoid updating my software by staying in Win98.
My PARIS system consists of 3 EDS 1000 cards, an interface MEC, 3 Control 16's. I have an APHEX 1100 mic pre, and go SPIDF from the APHEX into the MEC. I have Gigastudio on a separate computer, and run analog inputs from that interface into the MEC. I also have a Korg synth and a Roland Handsonic which go analog into the MEC.
Anyway, I would appreciate as much info as possible re building a new "backup" computer for this rig. I might be persuaded to go Win XP if I could still run Cakewalk in it. I welcome your thoughts on all of this.
Many thanks,
RonAPerhaps you need to ask a more specific question. This one seems a bit open ended...
I'm not on Windows yet, and will be going to XP rather than 98, so I'm of no help.
TedThank you so much for the help.
jcHi Ted,
I would like to know if there are still new MB's out there with PCI slots that accomodate the EDS 1000 cards, Win 98, etc. etc., so that I can have someone build a Win 98 computer for my PARIS system...
Ron
I can't answer the Win98 part but yes, there are a great many mobos that have one or more "old school" PCI slots that accommodate EDS cards fine.
The tricky part comes when you have a multi-card (more than two) setup. Having to limit your choice to mobos with *three* older PCI slots limits your choice of motherboards. This is a drag because Mike's driver work has just done completely the opposite: opened up the choices.
Of course that's easily enough solved with an expansion chassis, which used to be an expensive proposition, but Mike and TC have both found the VirtuaVia chassis to be a solid performer at a fraction of the cost of a new Magma chassis (search the forum for VirtuaVia).
Magma chassis can be found cheap on EvilBay too but it seems that it helps to know about things like incompatible connectors/cables etc; if you go that way, ask here at the group before bidding so the Magma experts here can give the deal a "once over" for you.
You might want to consider taking the jump to the VirtuaVia or Magma now; this would open up your motherboard choices considerably, which in turn might help you score a better deal; it'll also make future upgrades easier.Thanks, Kerry. This is great and encouraging info. Love my PARIS...
It appears that frappr ain't there no more.
I even backed out and tried to get to the main page, and nada. Just a 404 error.
By the way, I'm in nortwest Indiana, about 45 minutes east of Chicago.Not much to say but "oh crappr".
Well - we'll see how long it's down for. If it looks permanent, there are other alternatives, and some of them seem more stable and flexible.i'm thankful my crapper is still working in Williamston MI about 20 miles east of Lansing.OK, I think I may have my answer. My work just retired an HP xw8000 workstation, a nice, beefy, dual 2.8GHz Xeon box with 4gb of ram.
I finally found something on the PCI spec on wikipedia, including a diagram of the keying differences between 5v and 3.3v cards.
I also found a photo of the motherboard and it has 2 5v slots. And a beefy power supply. Whooohooo! Free is more gooder.
Now, am I to understand that the new XP driver has solved the dual-cpu problem, and that I'll be just ducky with the twin Xeons?
I need a little guidance as I make the transition into the Dark Side.
Yep, Mike's drivers have totally solved the "dual (well, actually multi - two or more) CPU" issues.
This is just my layman's understanding, but I gather the old drivers weren't "threadsafe" - "threads" (sub-activities of the driver under the hood) would get launched on different CPUS and not know about each other, so they'd blunder into each other and crash and burn. Mike's more modern versions are "threadsafe" - they don't (and can't) do that any more.
- KHi ParisUsers,
Are the main stock I/O on the MEC or 442 the same than the 8 in or out ?
thxsI believe the i/o on the MEC master section and 442 are 20-bit. The MEC 8i/8o modules are 24 bit.
I originally thought of this as an important distinction, but now with the perspective of hindsight - the difference between the MEC master i/o at 20 bit and the 8i/8o modules at 24 is so trivial that it makes less difference than upgrading the brand of cables I connect things with.Hey Ted,
The "house sync" line is for use with 3 or more interfaces. Has to do with clock timing between interfaces I beleive. You can use a full 8 cards and as long as you don't have more than two intefaces, you don't need to add the house sync line.
DaveHi people! First of all take my honest apology for bad English
I did some research on this forum (really a lot of good info) but i would like to have your input. It is important that you answer only if you are sure what you are saying, because we (me and my friend) will do exactly as you advice us, and that is including ordering new gear if needed. So take your time and please answer only if you are sure.
I will try to explain and to ask...
We have upgraded our DAW system and now we don't have PCI slot anymore. I mean we have 3x PCI but these are reserved for Paris cards
Our ex way of working(not possible anymore) has been made like this:
With TWO PC Computers, we worked in a way that we routed channels from Cubase (VST instruments or audio etc.) via RME HDSP 9652 out to Paris ADAT input. Obviously then we saw these channels inside Paris mixer and from that point we worked in Paris. I see that many people here are working that way.
Now my question is - Is it possible to re/route everything from Cubase mixer(i mean at least 8ch), to Paris mixer inside SAME computer configuration? Via some kind of software routing?
Without routing cubase mixer to cables and then to Paris adat!?
If not what is best solution out there? My idea is to buy RME HDSPe AIO (we have PCI express slots available) and then to do it like we did in old way, but inside same computer. Is this possible? Does anybody have any experience with RME AIO cards working in a way i described?
Or maybe some Motu Firewire solution will work?
Please tell us what you think, or what gear do you recommend for this?
Thank you for your time
MakyThe saga continues -- the HP workstation is beefy -- has 500w psu, dual Xeons...
But also has extra cooling fans. That will be good for keeping the EDS cards cool, but it's noisy as hell. So, I'll need to build some sort of isolation thingy until I can get the walls for my studio built. At that point, all of the pcs will be mounted on a shelf outside the room.
It shipped with a really nice Radeon dual-dvi video card. Sadly, it's one of those with a 4HP cooling fan on board, and it eats up 2 slots, including one of the 2 5v pci slots I need for EDS cards.
Bummer.
Fortunately, I dug through the goodie box and found a Radeon 9600SE that I had gotten for another pc build that never happened, and it's only 1 slot wide.
What's also nice is that this box came with two 250gb sata drives, and it will also boot from IDE. So, I'm going to set up a 40gb IDE drive as boot/OS, use the two 250's as audio work drives.
I also plan on ghosting the boot drive the instant I get everything installed and Paris lights up correctly.
Progress is being made.Great - now you can sell the bulkier Radeon and throw the profits back into the machine
Maybe one of the PC gurus here can confirm this, but my PC guru argues against really brawny video cards for a DAW anyway; he says "get what you need for reliable smooth operation and no more". Sounds counterintuitive (isn't one buying a more powerful card to get more power??) but something to do with larger cards also requiring more resources allocated to service them. Sorry to be vague, I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than myself will chime in if that's wrong.I remember that discussion on the old NG several years back. Paris doesn't really require much, so a simpler card will work.
I may see if the other Radeon will work in the Dell I just set up to experiment with Reaper. I have that one set up to dual-boot -- audioXP and normalXP. I will be migrating my regular stuff off of my 6-year-old Athlon box that's getting tired.
My home network is multi-platform. The Macs are our main boxes, but I have an XP box for windows-specific crap and for vpn access to work when I need to remote in at 3AM and unlock someone's network account...
That box was also retired from work. So far, both of my new XP boxes were freebies. Free is more gooder. There are perks to being the lead PC tech.Hey guys, this is the original John. Long time. I didn't know the server moved !! So....I found you finally ! How's everything going? Nice to find you guys here.
John Bercik
www.kfocus.com/paris
or for rick who likes to watch the doggies
www.kfocus.com/dogland I've actually still got a matrox G450 dual-head card. I seem to remember back a couple of years when that was one of the most popular cards because it was extremely Paris-friendly.
If it will work in my AGP slot, that should be good, right? Will take up less resources and generate less heat than the Radeon, I would think.that's what a pic of the old paris general forum would look like during a discussion on politics or religion.
hey big fellah how ya doin. shoot me an email parnell68athotmaildotcomProgress is being made. At first, I thought the error beep codes I was getting meant, "You're really going to try that G450 in me? Seriously?"
But then it turned out that possibly 2 of the 6 ram sticks are bad. So right now, I've verified that the 2 1GB sticks are good. Tomorrow I will try pairs of the 512's to find the good pair, and I'll have 3gb of ram. And the G450 works just fine. I'll hook it to the widescreen monitor tomorrow and see if it understands widescreen.
Got it to ignore the sata raid controller and boot from cd-rom so I could install XP on the 40gb IDE drive. Next is to finish hardware drivers, then buy Mike's EDS driver and get Paris installed. Once that's done, I'll break the raid and split the two SATA drives and make 'em audio drives. Then I'll ghost the boot drive to an image in case....
Also found out that the Pratt & Whitney cooling fans throttle back after a few minutes to a dull roar that I can block with judicious placement of stuff.
Next trick is tweaking XP to be audio-friendly.
ID hasn't responded to my email about transferring 3.0 license after at least three weeks... think it may be time to do some Googling.
pbraun wrote on Sun, 27 September 2009 23:58
ID hasn't responded to my email about transferring 3.0 license after at least three weeks... think it may be time to do some Googling.
PM me before you googleHi Paul,
Welcome to the dark side.
The water is actually really nice over here. I'm using 4 UAD cards on a quad core machine with no problems whatsoever. I honestly couldn't manage without either PARIS or the UAD cards. It's a match made in heaven.
When you get your system up and running, I'm always available to help with set up over the phone for those who have bought my drivers or effects. If you run in to any trouble, just send me your phone number and a good time to call, and we'll get things working smoothly.
Good luck!
MikeHi Ron,
I tried to keep a Windows 98 computer going for PARIS, but it just isn't practical. Windows 98 will not run on a PCIe motherboard, which excludes almost anything produced in the last 4 years. Windows 98 also has major issues when more than 1 GB of ram is installed. There are also issues with Windows 98 SATA hard disk drivers not existing for many chipsets, and there is the dreaded 120GB bug/limit on the Microsoft Windows 98 IDE drivers. Many of these things can be overcome, but not very easily.
It was a combination of all these headaches that made me re-write the XP driver for multicore systems. Life is too short to mess with Windows 98 in 2009, unless you have a lot of time on your hands or can live will all really old computer hardware.
I hope this helps.
All the best,
MikeThanks, Mike.
I'm a couple of weeks away from having a little in the toy budget again. First shekels head your way.
As a loyal Mac guy, it hurts to leave, but the simple fact is that development is being done on the Xp side and, aside from Chuck's plugins, Mac development is at an end. Unless someone comes up with OSX drivers and ID releases that mysterious version of Paris that supposedly runs under OSX.
Don't see that happening.
So, my house continues to be cross-platform. My wife and I use Macs for our daily computers, we have an Intel Mini tucked in next to the Big-Assed TV in the living room for streaming stuff and for playing music (the Mini has a TB drive hung on it with a totally uncompressed library. I also ripped all my cds into compressed AAC on the G5 downstairs for feeding the iPod, but upstairs it has to be uncompressed.) But I do have 2 XP boxes, one now just for Paris, and one with dual-boot for playing with Reaper or for normal internet crap.
Heya John, welcome back! Still linking to you at the top of the page - your site is still one of the most valuable go-to resources for PARIS.
The NG server didn't move - this forum and the NG were separate but allied, and had different focuses (Kim kept the traditional/open-topic/unmoderated NG running, and the forums tackled things from a more platform-specific focus). They were designed from the git-go to co-exist in ongoing sync via php script. It worked well for a while (multi-month tech nightmare getting there of course). But eventually Kim closed the NG down in order to go on a sort of extended sabbatical in Europe.
There was some talk about folks creating a successor to the NG; the response was muted at the time, but one never knows - I don't even entirely rule out the possibility that Kim might return from Europe at some point in the future, get unpacked and settled in, flip a switch and start up the old NG again as suddenly as it left.
Nice dogs!Thanks, Mike. Hopefully in the not too distant future I'll be upgrading to an XP computer with your driver.
Ron
Well, the Promise sata raid controller that came with my shiny new HP box is not configurable as anything else but raid.
So, I need to get a sata controller. Found a number, but don't know if they all play nice with Paris.
Any recommendations?Wow, I'm a dinosaur . . . 2.2 or something on PC. I have v3, just haven't been using it for some reason. Resistant to change, I guess. Anyone tried it? My friend and occasional co-producer has. He says 1) it has excellent workflow and 2) it's far from finished, there's a lot of stuff still missing.Hi all,
Dimitros posted some very instructive stuff about latency and the use of faderworks.
Before that, i even wasn't aware of the latency between submix 1 and 2.
So i dowloaded the evaluation version of faderworks. first i confirm the damn thing works, and it's made a smart way, especially the idea of adjusting automaticly the global latency on the most delayed track, not the sum of all latency.
Well here is the deal :
- Submix 2 is 9 samples (how is it possible ID never fixed this !)
- analog roundtrip with insert is 69 samples (wow :! fast !)
- plugs i use are 0 to 64 samples. And almost 9000 for SIR.
It's more than enough to have serious issues with phase related tracks but i never had problem with this, probably because :
1- i never spread phase related stuff (drums, stereo mikings) on different sumbmixes.
2- if a track is proceeded analog, the phase related tracks go analog too
So wnen i compared the "faderworks mixdown", sample aligned, with the original, i was'nt able to tell any difference. Actually they are different, because reversing phase between them let us hear the delayed tracks (submix one and a few proceded tracks of submix two).
So did you guys feel a real sonic improvement using faderworks ?
Same question than : Im i deaf ?
damien
Yes. I like its workflow way better than CuBase, but I don't like the simple navigation as much as Logic (seems a little PC-ish).
Certainly needs more features to catch up, but the integrated Mastering Suite and included plugins are really good. I also have to say that I think it has the more "up front" sound of NuBase, rather than the laid back summing character of Logic, which sometimes needs a lot of external help to get tracks to jump out.
I really like the sound, even the Mastering samples I did sounded better than in Peak, to both my ears and the ears of 2 other folks... but maybe we're imagining that.
TedThanks Dave - I appreciate it.
Ted
OK, so I just bought Mike's driver. Ordered some long video and scsi cables. Downloading like crazy for when the cables get here and I can start installing.
So I went o ParisFAQ's to look for instructiosn on installing Paris on XP, to grab a copy of PafWav, and some other things.
Whole lot of breakin' goin' on.
Is there another source for this info? Most of the links I clicked on give me "file not found" errors.
thanks.In fact, almost every single link I clicked on was broken. It's like all that exists is the home page.Doug moved to another server, and the FAQ links haven't been updated to reflect the new directory structure. This thread here will give you the Secret Code Phrase necessary to unlock the PARIS goodness that lingers 3.0 PC user3 eds in PC.. 1 as spare in a box out of PC....
2x BLUE MAC each with 2 in cards, 2 out cards and 1 adat card
2x C16 pro
1x if2
and that goes into my MCI 534D desk!!!!Duh. Forgot about that.
Hell, it was late, I was tired. Will give it another try tonight.
Thanks.Been using the trial version of Izotope Alloy the last few days and very pleased. 1 sample latency with all the modules engaged. Really liked the capabilities of Ozone but not the latency (1111 samples give or take)...
Alloy is like Ozone but more channel insert oriented. EQ, Multi-band compression, Exciter, Multi-band Transient control, De-esser, and Limiter. Works as DX or VST. Definitely worth checking out...
MikeI own 3 cards, two in the computer. Two C-16s (one in the control room and one in the studio with an extra monitor) 2 MECs, 3 input, 2 output, and 1 ADAT that I use into an 8 channel lightpipe interface for headphones.
I did have three cards in at one point but never came close to using all the channels, I did like having 3 submixes though...Planning out how things will be arranged with the new rig, and allowing for future installation of the pcs on a rack outside the planned studio walls.
I'm going to need 15' video, usb, and firewire cables. What's the longest scsi cable I can use with a MEC, and where do you recommend I get 'em? Monoprice has 10', but that's the longest.
Thanks.On the other hand, maybe I just rearrange the audio racks so the MEC's are closest to the computer area and limit it to 10'. Once they're aligned and trimmed, I shouldn't have to touch them, only need to monitor the input lights.-----sorry, Kerry - double topic------Hi Parists!
I got a ESQ1 synth by Ensoniq, which is by the way pretty cool,
and now I want to control it via midi from Paris (the DAW, not the city )
Has anyone used the midi functions in Paris?
Does it really work ok? Which midi interfaces are supported (USB?)
How good/bad are the editing functions?
Thanks and greetings!
micha
Hi,
Maximum i saw was 5m, therefore 16'.
64 euros !
I think your second option is about right, and you will get rid of the fancy MEC's fan noise (wich i unplugged by the way).Hi Micha,
I wouldn't use the PARIS MIDI. I will occasionally (but eventually) just refuse to work, which is an unacceptable bug for me.
I synch PARIS via 24 frame MTC with Cakewalk Pro Audio 9. Either Cakewalk or PARIS has some kind of timing problem with MTC that is anything other than 24 frames. I make PARIS the master and Cakewalk the slave. The timing is tight.
I hope this helps.
Mike
mikeaudet wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 07:47
... I will occasionally (but eventually) just refuse to work...
Me too
Micha - the MIDI in PARIS is a disaster for more than one reason - including a kooky interface that makes 1995 ATARI sequencers like C-Lab Notator look both logical and highly sophisticated, and a tendency to destabilize your entire PARIS system. Avoid it if at all possible, turn off MIDI in your paris.cfg, and sync up your choice of external MIDI sequencers to PARIS - then you have the "best of both worlds".
MTC between PARIS and another sequencer is adequate for general use (you'll get some amount of timing "slop" in the sync). I dislike it myself, I've never managed to get it to feel tight enough for my own use; the two DAWs feel like they're connected by flaky rubber bands.
If you want to achieve sample-accurate digital sync, you can do it providing you have 1) an ADAT card in your MEC and 2) the right combination of hardware and software to read the output from its ADAT sync port. For more info on the ins and outs of achieving sample-accurate sync between PARIS and another DAW, see this thread. I use this method on my own system internally (eg I have the RME and PARIS running on the same PC) and it works great.
Hi Kerry,
I did a bunch of testing last week because I'm gearing up to do some recording again, and I found the timing at 24ftps was really quite tight. I've found that at other frame rates, a random offset seems to get inserted into the synch, so there is a consistent slop that changes every time one hits play. But, not with 24fps.
I tested by running heartbeat at 100bps while cakewalk generated a click at the same tempo via midi. After I compensated for the synch delay (around 20 milliseconds or so), the clicks hit at exactly the same time and didn't vary at all.
I also used a utility to test the latency of my MIDI interfaces. My old Opcode Parallel Port interface had a latency of less that 1 ms, but a newer Midiman USB interface had a latency of almost 6ms. The Midiman has been banished to the basement.
I hope this helps someone.
All the best,
MikeI have the same keyboard and really like it also- and have a bunch of the carts for it too...
I was just given an 0404 pci card, and can put that in my second XP box running some sort of sequencer. I can tie it to Paris with MTC or WC, but I need the daughtercard for that. Apparently, E-mu doesn't sell it standalone anymore, only as part of a bundle with a much more expensive system.
None of the online dealers seem to have them.
Anyone got a lead on one?
Thanks.8 EDS cards, 2 mecs, 58i,2 , 4 ADAT...what can I say? I hit a fire sale Mike,
What's the utility?
I wondered why I had so many issues on a couple things I did MIDI before.
JeffWow!Yeah, didn't we all? I'm still digesting the idea that 24FPS works *fine* - that would have been useful info eight years ago! That's getting a Wiki entry shortly.Hi,
I have recently installed Cubase 5, but have trouble with syncing with PARIS over an ADAT cable. PARIS is set as master and Cubase as slave, but Cubase only starts and never stops when I hit play in PARIS. All this works great in Cubase SX3.
Any ideas or experiences on the issue?
BR
Arne-J....I always imagined that Paris has a simple piano roll and works ok,
and you all just don´t use it, because you are more the "real"
instruments recording kinda guys. I know the truth now.
I think Mikes solution with the magical number 24 and synchronize
a sequencer to Paris is cool- I´ll try that instead frigging
around with our favorite daws´ midi bearishness.
thanks
Looks like my pci slots, even though they're keyed to be 5v slots, may not be. As soon as I plug in the EDS card I get a bios beep code that says there's a problem with one of the pci cards.
Damn.
I'm going to call HP in the morning and see if I can find a tech who has a clue who can see exactly what's up with those two slots.
Otherwise, it's off to ebay for a magma. VirtuaVia looks nice, but all they sell is pci-e and I ain't got those.
Hell, ebay is 95% pci-e and express card. Barely a pci version in the bunch.
And most of the guys selling have split them up so I have to try and win TWO freakin' auctions.
I'm being punished. This is what I get for abandoning my G4-based Paris system.Ah, the joy. The pain. The suffering. It begins.
Seriously - that doesn't sound right; if it goes in the slot, I would have thought it ought to work. Have you got another PCI card to test in the slot? I had the PCI slots on my first mobo crap out on me before I even got started.Why don't you look for a new MB like an ASUS P5 series - they are solid performers with Paris and I picked up my P5B for $55 on Ebay.
You might also look at the P4 series also as I believe that was my previous MB before the latest upgradeThe problem with that is I have a very solid HP workstation with dual 3GHz Xeons and 4GB of ram and a 600W psu. That was free.
If I start building a pc, it's going to cost me way more than the cost of a used Magma.
I'll try another card tonight. I looked at the pci spec, and the 5v slots are keyed differently from the 3.3v slots, so these should work.
It's entirely possible that this EDS card isn't right, either - I think this is one that I got from ebay and haven't used yet.
That would suck....I just found a tech sheet for an Avid system specifically talking about the HP xw8000 workstation.
The two slots are definitely 5v.
I wonder if there's something in bios....or maybe I have a bad EDS card.
Tonight I'm going to pull the card from my Mac, which I know is good, and try it.
I will also put the questionable card into the Mac and see if it works that way.
If the card is bad, I'm wondering how much Thesoniq charges to refurbish them or if I'm better off just watching for another card either here or on ebay....Win XP with new drivers.Woooooo-freakin'-hooooo!!!
Apparently the bios was yelling at me because it didn't like the sata RAID card I had left plugged in. (Damn thing only understands RAID, won't do JBOD. New card is on the way, since this motherboard is scsi/IDE.
I verified the first EDS card was still good in the Mac. Plugged it back into the XP rig, booted up, and the hardware wizard fired off. Loaded Mike's driver, did the adat and studiocontrol thing, installed PARIS, rebooted, and it all works!!!!
I'm just giddy. I do need to make a video card change, since the Matrox G450 ain't crazy about the native res of my two audio monitors. But I had a project up on three monitors! Just need to get the SATA card so I can start moving my unmixed Paris files over, and I need to reformat one of my firewire drives as FAT32.
Can I just import 16/44.1 Mac paf files directly?
Have I mentioned that I'm excited?Congrats! Yes, absolutely, you can import any PAFs. I believe you can actually just open your old PPJs directly (as long as the PAF files it refers to haven't changed names during the transfer).
Ah, the pain - the joy - Try MidiOx MIDI Yoke. It's XP compatible and allows multiple virtual MIDI connections. That way you can send MTC from PARIS to Cubase and sync them together.
It was created to translate Adobe Audition project files to other formats, but the developers have in effect created a very cool utility that can convert project files between PT5, Reaper, Cubase, Nuendo, and many more. Since Reaper can now read PAF files, if the AA Translator were to include a PARIS translation, it could be possible to transfer a PARIS project over to Reaper.
Heya David - yes, AATranslator has caught my eye, and it looks very cool.
Being able to open PPJs in Reaper has been a goal of mine too - what exactly is it that you'd use this functionality for yourself? I want to see how much of this we can get done "in house" via pursuing something like coding a Reaper extension.
- KNow that I have Paris running on XP, I need some recommendations for a Paris-friendly video setup. I have a 17" running 1280x1024 for desktop and project window, 2 19". widescreens at 1440x900 for audio and automation, and I'll be getting a larger LCD for the mixer window.
I have one AGP and 2 pci-x slots. The agp card can be only 1 slot wide or it will overhang an EDS slot.
Suggestions?Hey Mike - ditto on the question, what utility did you use? Did you have to modify a MIDI cable as this article here suggests?Ok, I'll bite..
4 EDS in an expansion chassis (VirtuaVia)
4 Mecs
8 Adat cards, 2 input cards, 2 output cards (I use adat primarily)
2 C-16's
Hello guys!
I finally picked one Paris system (the PCI card and the MEC). Unfortunately the guy got it from some studio saleout and it came without any software.
I'm planning to purchase XP driver from Mike Audet as well as some effects (from that page).
Also do i need some other software? I believe i read somewhere about some "Sub" program, though no idea on what it is.
Only reason i bought Paris was reading some of your comments regarding its sonic quality. Also read comments from pro's and how they liked it way much more than the Pro Tools sound.
Help a brother.
[edited by moderator: no discussion of that sort on the forums please!]welcome DON
Hey Rog - to get you started right away, here's the official link to PARIS 2.2
As for PARIS 3.0 - the official forum position is that while it's an excellent upgrade it is now far overpriced, considering its price has remained constant since 2001 while the hardware it runs on has dropped in value by 90%. We are withholding our recommendation while we contact Intelligent Devices to give them an opportunity to reposition PARIS 3.0 at a new price.Hi all,
I can't save my EDS settings, the button is "grey".
I suspect i did something wrong. Any Idea ?
I run XP.
Regards,
damien
kerryg wrote on Sun, 11 October 2009 10:47
As for PARIS 3.0 - the official forum position is that while it's an excellent upgrade it is now far overpriced
Exactly. And instead of dropping the price to some normal value, they're inspiring people to use other (illegal) ways. Just as i did.Hi Damien,
The interface is a bit odd. If you give the preset a name by clicking in the gray box and typing (I don't thin a cursor appears), you should be able to click on the "arrow down" button.
I hope this helps.
MikeI have a copy of PARIS 3.o and the effects system update here:
www.ensoniq.ca/paris3installer.zip
This installer will give you a 7 day trial. You can buy a copy of paris 3 from East Coast Music Mall. Their address is here: http://www.eastcoastmusicmall.com/
Just ask for for Morgan.
From what I've heard, buying PARIS 3.0 can be a bit of a pain, but if you want to own it legitimately, it is the only way to get it that I know of.
I wish the price of the PARIS software would come down, but I don't think ID has any interest in doing so. For what it's worth, I couldn't live without PARIS 3. The fader grouping and the stackable effects the effect busses are essential as far as I'm concerned.
I hope this helps.
MikeHi Ted,
I'd love a copy. Thanks so much!
Mike AudetTed i would like a copy ..sended you an email
DamirHi Ted, mine never arrived. Did we get our wires crossed? I had emailed you.
Jim Drago
PO 170
Gold Hill OR 97525
Thanks. JimGuys, have you had a chance to check out the new Software mixer from Harrison. It's seems that
One of the things I found interesting about the product is a comment form one of it's coders:
The saturation is an integral part of the design and cannot be turned off, sorry. The saturation mechanism truncates extreme transients without affecting the overall dynamics of the mix. It is part of the "gestalt" that makes Mixbus work the way it does. The "drive" knob should be adjusted so that the meter is pointing roughly vertical when loud signal is going through the bus."
Sound like a certain Daw Mixer named Paris. It seems that some folks are importing their session files for testing, and Just like the Paris effect, they are reporting an immediate (better) results in the sonic department..
Mac based only.. But, it's only $80.00 dollars.. Wow - cool concept!
- K
That's it.
Thanxs !kerry, what happend to parisfaqs.com web site forum?Doug moved servers and hasn't yet updated the links on the FAQ page to reflect the new directory paths (I understand he was ill for a time and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he's enjoying a full recovery).
You can still access the internal links by following the steps in this post. I will be scavenging the FAQ site and collecting and organizing whatever associated files I haven't grabbed already at the Wiki as soon as time permits.Agreed..I like the drag and drop workflow, the sound. The built-in fx are really good. However, I really miss the right mouse editing menu like in Cubase & Nuendo. The Mixer skin looks a little "understated. Nothing Like My beloved Paris Gold. with a hint of Ferrari Red
Overall,I would have to say that they are off to a pretty good start.
Now, Edmund, let's what Paris 2010 looks like.. Bring it on..We are waiting..For anything to be a contender for a PARIS replacement for me, it has to hit four targets currently unique to PARIS (that is, together).
The Harrison DAW is aiming to hit the first: raw sonics - not clean, not pristine, but colored. I want that coloration. The second is true zero latency monitoring through FX. The third is utter simplicity so my poor right brain doesn't get confoozled and I don't have to haul out my left brain in the middle of my right brain's work day
The fourth is price - software has to hit a fairly narrow series of gates for me for it to be anything but a completely terrible investment. There's little that depreciates faster as an asset except milk, and right now I need to focus revenue on mics and preamps, which are assets that actually hold value. And at some point soon it'd be really nice to use some of the money I earn in production in my actual life.
The Harrison's doing pretty freakin' well to hit two of those upon entry.
version 2.1 on Mac OS 9.1I'm curious, John - why 2.1 rather than 2.2? Did 2.2 cause problems for you?I completely agree. I even like it's Skin.. It's almost as if, Paris (Intelligent Devices)were thinking along the same lines of being a true (Colored) , straight forward mixer.
Not a squeaky clean, transparent mixer. I purchased Paris first and foremost for it's sonics and aesthetics over Pro Tools.
That's why to this day, i really hate mixing on the current DAWs. Can I mix a record on them..Yes..Is it harder to achieve the coveted analog mix..Yes.
Being a Windows based user, I planning purchasing a imac(24 inch) and Mac Pro so at least I can run the Harrison mix buss and maybe the new ID Paris
Hi Folks -
So sorry for the delay in getting this batch of DVD s out. I was away almost all of July and Aug, and have been completely
swamped since Labour Day (including out of country for a week). I have just run another batch of discs - there have been more
requests than expected - and have sent them all out to you today.
Peace, and again, sorry for the delay
Ted Gerber
Hi all. I thought I'd share some PARIS themed wallpaper I made for fun while mucking about with a logo making program. Some of them turned out OK, some of them kinda didn't (oh well, I make no bones about being a graphic artist) and a couple are just silly .
Help yourself. Feedback for improvement is welcome, and if you want a variation - for example the background of one with the text from another - let me know.
To download the wallpaper, just right click (on Mac, control-click) the textual filename above each thumbnail, and choose "download file" to grab a full-size image. All are 1280 x 1024 resolution. Folks who use different resolutions (and Mac users) can use an image utility to resize or convert them until/unless I get around to doing more versions.
PARIS STONE OK, I've installed both cards, Windows sees 'em, installed Mike's scherzo.
I've got the two 16-pin cables crossed over in a nice, neat "X". I've got one 10-pin clock cable connected straight across.
I've double-checked to make sure all of the headers are connected to pins.
Every time I start the damn app up it tells me my EDS cards are connected improperly and will cause playback problems.
I haven't done this for two years since I set up the G4 in the mobile rack. I'd open it up and see how I did that, but it's buried inside an SKB rack on a pair of Marathon rails, and that case is at the bottom of my front-room closet. Not an easy task.
What the aitch-ee-double-hockey-sticks am I doing wrong here?
Thank you.
ARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHH.Hmmm... your cable connections check out according to the connection diagrams in the manual? Strange. Do the ribbon connectors have any kinks in them that might conceal a broken conductor?I had to make my own 16-pin - maybe I have a connector on wonky.
As soon as I'm done formatting a pair of 250GB audio drives, I'll pull the cable and check.It only hurts like this once, Paul While I'm in a question-asking mood....
Now that I've got the mixing bug again, it's time to put up some damn walls in this concrete box of a basement.
My little corner paradise will be about 12' wide by 17' deep, with roughly 7' ceiling clearance.
Since you have to put bass traps in the corners anyway, would it be smart to frame out the walls and then frame the corners at a small diagonal, essentially creating an octagon-shaped room? That would eliminate 90-degree corners, at least vertical ones.
I'm going to do this with alternating studs for inside and outside surfaces, glued to the walls and floors for extra isolation, two layers of drywall on both sides, dense rockwool in between. I live in a condo, and share one of the walls with our neighbor's basement, plus I share the ceiling with the CFO and I've learned it doesn't pay to piss her off on "Survivor" night.
Due to the cost of such a project, I'll probably be doing one wall at a time, but want to have the overall plan down before I start.
I've read at least a dozen articles on home studio construction, and they all say something different. And while I'd love to have layers of mass-loaded vinyl in between each layer of drywall, suspended on isolation channel, as of tonight we still haven't won Powerball so that ain't happening.And I forgot to add that this is a mixing room only. I have no room for recording -- all of my recording will either be done at a friend's studio, or with my mobile Paris rig.WHOOOOO-FREAKIN'-HOOOOO!!!!!!
Had one of the connectors crimped on backwards. Redid the cable, and we have liftoff.
I fired it up, loaded "crop circles" just to see some audio, and hit "play". Damn. I got sound through the monitors.
It's midnight-thirty-five and I have to get up at 6 for work. So, I'm going to start a massive network transfer of Paris project folders over and go the hell to sleep.
At least I feel as if I've actually done something tonight!
Thanks to everyone for the help. I'm sure there will be more questions as I get used to running under XP and with 3.0. I did notice that Paris proudly hangs onto its Mac heritage - you can't "maximize" a window simply by clicking the toolbar. You have to manually size it for the space. I'm used to that - no biggie. Kinda helps with the feelings of homesickness.... Paul,
My new room is based on this config (Scaled to fit 17' as well). I am amazed at the difference the lack of parallel walls makes. Even with nothing in the room, the acoustics are pretty smooth before the absorbers.
Hopefully I'll actually get it up and running in the next couple months.
JeffHi all. A great conversation with Don Nafe last week got me thinking about how Reaper's scripting capabilities might be used to solve an old, old PARIS problem.
Ever received a folder of WAVs from a client, say that were recorded in ProTools and NOT rendered out from zero? Broadcast WAVs that started wherever they'd been punched in, and whose header info could have been very useful if PARIS could read it - but the header info instead had to be StripWav'd out, and the files manually spotted on the PARIS timeline, praying you got the timings right.
It occurred to me that Reaper's scripting abilities might provide a pretty neat way around that. The attached Reaper script is a series of actions that uses Reaper as a PARIS track prep utility. It takes a folder full of timestamped WAVs, imports them onto separate Reaper tracks, spots them into their correct location via the timestamp in their header and then renders them back out from zero as header-stripped WAVs ready for import into PARIS.
It's a beta, and I am not responsible if your house bursts into flames or your hard drive dies or your truck won't start etc etc. I'm looking for ways to improve and refine it, so feel free to use and modify it (it's easy, just go into "Actions" and edit it) and be sure to give feedback on it. I'd ask only that if you do modify and improve it, you contribute your improvements back to the PARIS community.
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To use the attached script, you have to install it into Reaper first:
Download the script, open Reaper, and go to your "Actions" menu. Open the "Actions" dialogue, find "Import/Export Actions", navigate to the script in the resulting file selector and import it. It should now show up as a menu entry at the bottom of your "Actions" menu, ready for use.
You might also want to go into your Reaper Preferences > Audio > Recording, find "Include in filename for new recordings" and uncheck "Track Index" and "Time Stamp". If you don't do that the filenames grow to an unnecessary length.
Make sure that all the WAV files you want to convert are in one folder (eg no subfolders).
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OK - ready to start. Call up the script from Reaper's "Actions" menu.
1) The script will create a new project and set its timeline and transport to SMPTE time.
2) The script will now open the project's Project Settings dialogue; this is where you'll enter your desired destination formats (ie 16 or 24 bit / 44 or 48 k / WAV / whatever framerate you're using / *no* BWF (.bext) chunk (this is an important setting - unchecking this box makes Reaper automatically strip the headers for you, a la StripWav, for PARIS compatibility). You'll normally want to use the same settings the files arrived as, but if you'll need to do any sort of file conversion as well, this is the time to do it. After you've checked and finalized your settings, click "OK" and you'll be prompted to save your song.
[Note: step 2 is worth examining to see if it's redundant, eg if it can be better addressed in step 4).]
3) You'll now get an Insert Media dialogue; navigate to the folder containing the files you want to import, select them all, click "Open", and when it asks you if you want to "Import Files on separate tracks" - click "Yes".
4) Once you've done that, the script imports the WAV files, each to a separate track, spots them to the timestamp location in their headers and gives you a Consolidate Tracks dialogue where you can finalize your settings and select/create a destination folder for the resulting tracks. Make certain that you uncheck "Ignore Silence Shorter Than..." since you want your files rendered with that invaluable silence that's keeping them in their properly spotted location!
5) Clicking Process renders all tracks, each containing a single correctly spotted file, out from "zero" as a header-stripped WAV suitable for immediate import into PARIS.
All that remains is to quit Reaper, open PARIS, and go to work on your presumably-perfectly-spotted tracks.
This process took far longer to write out than it takes to execute; it should only take a couple of minutes to run through depending on how much audio you have to import.
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How would I like to see this script improved?
- the names of the rendered files contain "consolidated" - I want to figure out how to get rid of that.
- I'd like to make more of these settings automatic (I suspect we'd need to use the Reaper SDK to code an extension - all the hooks to do this appear to be in there, but I know bupkis about coding).
- the script isn't yet smart enough to tell when, say, three guitar punches belong to the same guitar track - right now the three punches will be exported as three separate tracks and you'll have to overlap them yourself.
- if you're working with film cues (I was) you're going to generate some pretty large files if all your stems start an hour into the film. Haven't figured out a way to solve this yet that doesn't involve learning to write code.
Still, that's better than what we had before, and it will get the job done for the moment - sort of an "OMF Import Lite" that bypasses OMF.No doubt you've probably been to these sites but just in case
OK, my head just exploded. Gimme a minute to clean the brain matter off my monitor.
(wiping, wiping, wiping....)
I'm back.
I may go with the trapezoidal room concept, but frame the outside square to make it look neater. Gotta go with double walls anyway, nothing says they have to be parallel.
No matter what, it will have to be "plan once, build piece-by-piece" as budget allows.
And who knows? Once I fix up the rest of the joint, I may set up a recording space in the other part of the basement. It would have to be musos I know and trust, 'cuz I'm not comfortable with strangers walking through my living room and seeing our art collection...You could see if it's feasible to do *just the ceiling* in this stuff. It's expensive compared to regular drywall (between $50 and $120 a sheet, although it's hard to pin it down) but if my math isn't completely out to lunch all you'd need is five 4x12 sheets to cover a (assuming "slightly less than" after framing) 12x17 ceiling.
If you could get that amount for a couple of hundred bucks (it installs like drywall so you'll save tons by installing it yourself) then for that pretty reasonable price the sound barrier between you and the CFO would be as good as it's realistically going to get in a residential space.
Roxul SafeNSound is excellent value for insulation, and it works great.Hi,
Nice info !
I would like to know if there is a way to convert Paris paf files into wave files that will retain their position timeline when loaded in Cubase / Nuendo etc... ?
Thanks
DimitriosPaul,
Mine is built out inside of an existing structure. I lucked out with side adjacent to the outside wall because building the trapezoid left a little crawl space. When I realized I needed a lightpipe from my machine area, there was a built in crawl space (albeit for a pretty small person).
JeffI don't know - I seem to recall that PAFs can be re-spotted to their originally recorded location within the PPJ they were originally recorded in, which makes me pretty certain their timestamp info is contained in the PPJ they were recorded in but not in the PAF itself.
To turn a PAF into a timestamped WAV I'd suspect what would be needed is to look into the PPJ it came out of, pull the timestamp of the particular file out, turn the PAF into a BWF and then insert that timestamp info in its header. Which is an intriguing thought - once again, a sort of 'poor man's OMF alternative" - but for that, we'd need to be able to decipher the PPJ file format.
Of course as it is right now, you could render the tracks out of PARIS from zero and use Reaper to do the rest of the export prep. Since Reaper now reads PAF directly, you could turn them into much less bulky timestamped segments by importing them into Reaper, using "strip silence" to remove any silence at the beginning of the track, re-rendering them in place as new BWF (which will timestamp the segments) and then running "clean project folder" to delete the original PAFs. There's probably even a way to make Reaper bundle any .L and .R files together, so that the rendering process obligingly turns those into interleaved stereo files too.
That'd leave you with a folder full of timestamped BWF WAVs ready for export and spotting in PT or Nuendo.
Hmmmmm... does this sound like the next candidate for a Reaper script project to you?
I tell you, this thing's a Swiss Army knife.It was really big fun, when I recognized that girl on the first one on that page, which took me about 5.64 seconds - really, really cool It could be handy if you plan to tell your spouse that you spent the weekend having fun in Paris.Hi Mike and all. It's been a while since I've been on the forum..... been wating for the news.parisnewsgroup.com to come back online, but alas.
So what's been going on with the ASIO Development? I've been looking on this forum and haven't seen anything regarding it.
Ciao,
Rich LamannaHi Rich,
I'm still working on it. I got the latency down to 10 milliseconds, and I was able to turn on a feature that allows the use of MEC cards as ins and outs, but that's as far as I've gotten.
I banged my head against a wall for months trying to get 24 bit audio to work. Kerry dug up some info that I think is going to allow me to fix that. I've also been busy learning MFC C++ programming so that I can create a control panel to manage MEC module choices.
It's been a much bigger job than I thought, but I'm getting closer and learning a lot.
I'm sorry about the delay.
All the best,
MikeHehehe. Since "as far as you've gotten" means you've got the latency down to 1/3 of the previous drivers now - and you've also got the MEC card i/o showing up and available now - well, I suppose we can find it in our hearts to forgive you
That's fabulous Mike, 10 milliseconds is good, I don't think I could hear that anyway, grin. Sounds like you're deep into it and making great progress, we can live with the 16 bits, man. Have you been able to interface Reaper with the MEC/EDS and how is that working?
Kudos,
RichHey Kerry, sounds like Mike's making progress. Also really good news regarding Reaper and the file transfer app., (at least in XP). Oh, I've got a new avatar for you to approve when you get a moment....... It's apolitical, Speaking of which, where did the general forum go?
Ciao,
RichHehe. Post that avatar.
I guess the short answer to your question is that nothing's happened to 'General', it's still exactly where it's always been - part of the PARIS NG. Unfortunately Kim's shut the NG down to go "walkabout" in Europe now and we don't know if it will ever be back, or in what timeframe. The NG's departure caught me by surprise, but I think maybe Kim caught himself by surprise with that decision as well.
Kim and I collaborated on syncing these forums (which are aimed at use and development) with the more PARIS-specific parts of the NG, but the forums were never dreamed of as a successor or replacement to the NG. That topic was never even raised between us; it was simply assumed from the start by both of us that things at the NG wouldn't change, that it would continue and that the content of the PARIS NG and its sub-forums, or the handing off to a successor if the day ever came (which wasn't even a blip on our radar screen at the time), would remain entirely Kim's business.Here's the Avatar Kerry. I think I need to go on a walkabout too..... really. Maybe I'll run into Kim...... grin. FYI - throughput latency may vary from system to system, so for a direct comparison to other ASIO drivers: Mikes new ASIO drivers, at least as they are today, are currently very happy at 256 samples latency on my not-particularly-cutting edge PC.Whell I was user of Paris for long time before I had my IDOTIC WISH to have other converters
after 2 years on ssl alpha link ( aslo worked on other converters )
im back on paris....wont repeat my crazy mistake again to sell paris for other digital system
I JUST LOVE SOUND OF PARIS!!!!!
anyway...
Im back on it and record into it ..... so i have some wishes.........
Im happy with Paris FX stuff and i have enough outboard FX but simple Analog tape like space echo would be nice
MIKE THANX FOR FILE YOU SENDED ME !!!!! I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wanted to ask if its possible to fix bugs in 3.0 like zooming on waveform....
PARIS is just about all i need from digital system
I mix on my MCI 534D and with paris its my dream combo!!!
that 2 wishes are things i would like to be fixed....
I will support this group as much as I can in future.....couse Paris is back to stay
Hi all,
Did somebody ever tried to sync Paris using SMPTE ? Slave or master ? Some bugs (...) ?
I did the same thing! I keep worrying about what other people and clients thought about using Paris VS pro tools - then said heck with it. Much easier to use and sounds great to me!! Hey Wayne - I recently ordered a CM47 and it made me think of this thread. How'd you get on with your mic choice, and did you wind up shooting some out?
- Kwhell i have many mics
BUT one is extra cheap ( compared to same level sounding mics) and extra sounding !!!
Rode classic I with replaced Capsule and new Mullard tube...
capsule KK67 ..originaly used in U67 can be bought over ebay fro cca 300 euro
and tube is cca 40 euro...
KK67 fits into classic like original rode capsule wich is KK67 Clone BUT not as close to sound of original
near my Akg c12a and U67, 87, SM 69, Gefells this is my top 3 MIC of all times with large membrane!!!
just pointing a good way to AWESOME MIC!!!
Well, it seems that the Mixbus summing and mixer behaves much like
our beloved Paris's mixer. Test users are finding out that the more you push the gain stages, the more mojo you get back in return.. Hi all,
I was able to test the TLM103, AKG C414, my CAD Equitek E-100 and a couple Blue's with the PreSonus Eureka (which is the pre I have) at GC. I ran it completely flat. They didn't carry the 4047 which I would have liked to test too. I ended up purchasing the Blue Dragonfly. It was a compromize between the two.
As a reference. The E-100 has a honk like the Yama's NS-10Ms do in comparison to, let's say, ie, Adams, Genelic monitors.
I was almost convinced that I was going with the 103 prior to my tests. And in hind sight I would have been OK. But the 103 seemed a tad too hissy on the highs and the 414 seemed too muddy in the low end. The Dragonfly is not completely tonaly nuetral but does capture my voice with relative accuracy and little coloration.
During my test the 103 had more presence but made me sound a bit processed, the 414 sounded too thick and washy. Since my objective was to capture my voice as clean and nuetral as possible I went with the Dragonfly.
The Dragonfly has just a bit less presence, a good amount of clarity on the highs without the sizzle and a round yet tight low end. With just the Paris plate reverb, noLimit and 2db in a couple areas during mixing, I can hear the change and the vox climbs on top.
Would I recommend it? Yes and No. Why? Because my tests convinced me that until you use your pre and your voice, you're not going to know which mike is best. I guess you guys already knew that.
Is it a good mic? Yes. At $800 bucks (including elastic shock mount) it's a contender.
WayneSenderella 1.08 support Mac OS X
Remember by using EDSTransfer 8,8 or 8,16 you can achieve 0 latency busses across submixes !
Thanks DimitriosExcellent, Dimitrios, thanks! Do you know what the latency of Senderella is without using EDSTransfer 8,8 or 8,16?
Speaking of that - what *is* EDSTransfer 8,8 or 8,16? What does it do, and what would the "normal" or "default" values be?
On the surface it seems like it's the lowering of either two buffers or of two parameters for one buffer, and it seems in some cases to have side-effects that remind me of "overclocking" a CPU. I'd like to get it documented as definitively as possible so people can assess the risks/benefits objectively.I like it!very nice!Hi all, I am considering a new box for my 3 card setup. I realise I would have to make room for my cards in the case but what about the mobo, CPU, ram and pwr supply, do you guys think this would be ok?
Thanks in advance
Rob_AHi Paris friends!
I know you probably don't know me, But I'm a follower the forum.
My name is Michael Hodge with a 4 Mec Paris/Nuendo rig in Houston.
My Wife & I recorded a Christmas CD with the Prague Symphony.
We plan to tour Europe in December.
We have some dates in Holland, Vienna, Germany & Paris.
If you have any ideas, Please let me know.
We have full Symphony scores & can also perform with TV tracks.
Please check out our music & videos from our Twitter page. http://twitter.com/hodgeeurope
I hope you like it!
Blessings!
MichaelHey Michael, that's really exciting! You lucky dog - I've spent years in Europe, I miss going back there. If I get any bright ideas I'll PM you.An analog like space echo might be possible. Unfortunately, unless ID releases the source code for PARIS, I can't fix anything in the application itself.
All the best,
MikeI generally find that my clients honestly couldn't care less what DAW I use. They come to work with me, and not my DAW, and they pretty much leave me to make the decisions about things like that - as long as I get the job they're paying me for done. I've never been asked "do you have ProTools?" or "what plugins do you use?" except out of idle curiosity.
If perceptible latency or crashes were to irritate my clients during sessions it might be a different story, but with PARIS the first's a non-issue, and the second seems to be a matter of careful setup. Most PARIS days over here go by without a single crash (better than I can say for most Logic days).
It'd probably look different if I was concentrating on a career in film or TV, but I don't particularly enjoy that work unless I'm working with the relatively small number of employers in the local industry (in my experience) that are sane and remain in possession of some sort of sense of perspective - "no, I certainly have no intention of staying up 36 hours straight having angina re-cutting audio for your crappy straight-to-cable-access series because your 'locked cut' came 'unlocked'".
So I've exercised pretty careful control over my "gear overhead" so I don't have to do stuff I don't particularly like doing; after all, if I'd started out with the goal of "doing things I strongly dislike for the purpose of making money" there are smarter and more lucrative career paths to do that in, like real estate or accounting. Returning to PARIS was an essential part of that strategy.
In those cases where I *do* want to work with the composer (case in point, the miniseries I just finished, which was a real pleasure), I can always boot up Logic when needed. It wasn't.Not Paris - in fact, this was all recorded on my Zoom H2! Except for "Let It Rain" which
is so old it was done with ADATs and my old Scorpion board.
Tony's tunes are now final mastered versions! They are ALL Paris, mastered by Bill Wolf of Wolf Productions in Arlington, VA.
gantt
I have a very soft singing voice. With that as a given, I dig my AT 4047 going through an Aphex 1100 tube pre SPDIF into the MEC. Works well with my flute, too. I have no experience with the other mics. Just in case anyone is reading this thread and still searching for a good mic...
Ron
Hi,
The EDSTransfer normal is 16,8 or 16,16 don't remember.
For sure the first number has to do with the latency.
I have done exhausting experiments regarding this EDS Transfer thing.
Cards work harder by using 8,x and this might overburn them if not cooled properly !
Senderella by using 8,8 achieves a 0 latency bus so you can use it as a relatime bus inside Paris !
You can experiment with this EDSTransfer thing by putting it in Paris cfg.
By letting default EDSTransfer senderella has a latency that is high (not a few milliseconds) so the bus thing is not usable at all.
This Sendrella is the ONLY known to me so far that can achieve the 0 latency buffer by using the EDSTransfer.
Regards,
DimitriosVery nice Gantt. Funny - I look at your pic and don't see the playing on Junzi's Blues. What is your guitar/amp etc on that tune?
Good job
Ted
Hey Ted! Thanks! I was playing my '86 PRS Custom 24 w/ Holmes pickups and some trick wiring thru a Bassman head that's been modified by Andy Fuchs w/ his ODS 50 circuit. Also a KlonCentaur -> Crowther Audio Hotcake -> Boss DDL-3 w/ the amp's OD on.
gantt
Ted Gerber wrote on Sat, 31 October 2009 12:35
Very nice Gantt. Funny - I look at your pic and don't see the playing on Junzi's Blues. What is your guitar/amp etc on that tune?
Good job
Ted
Nice playing, Gantt!
Hey - you'll appreciate this - this is the Nordy VJ5 bass that's FEDEXing it's way to me right now (should be here by Wednesday):
Makes me think about revisiting that online PARIS song collaboration idea... Hey Kerry! It's gorgeous!
kerryg wrote on Sat, 31 October 2009 19:38
Nice playing, Gantt!
Hey - you'll appreciate this - this is the Nordy VJ5 bass that's FEDEXing it's way to me right now (should be here by Wednesday):
Isn't it? I didn't mean to thread hijack, but hearing you play on that stuff has put a renewed itch on me to make some music together.I just need to figure out a way to get to Vancouver!
kerryg wrote on Sat, 31 October 2009 19:43
Isn't it? I didn't mean to thread hijack, but hearing you play on that stuff has put a renewed itch on me to make some music together.
v3 on a Mac G4 with 2 cards
Lou Guarino2 cards, 1 mec 2 8out with mac G4 and Paris 3.0
Lou Guarino2 cards, 1 mec 2 8out with mac G4 and Paris 3.0 and 2 C-16's
Lou GuarinoOS 9.2.2 Mac
Lou GuarinoOS 9.2.2 Mac G4 450
Lou GuarinoI PM'd you re: Running Paris on XP on a MacBook Pro...
Ted
Thanks!Very nice all the way around. Great playing on the H2 stuff. Those little things do a great job and are easy on us old guys as far as the lugging.
Nice recording on the Denikos stuff I enjoyed it very much..
MikeFoxconn Core 2 Quad/ Intel G31/ DDR2/ A&V&GbE/ ATX G31AXK http://www.compuvest.com/Desc.jsp?iid=1064804
Thank you.
Regards,
Dimitrios Hi Michael.
Nice music...
I have contacted a person in Greece and talked about you.
Please email him directly and say you got this email from Dimitrios from Thermi. kostas@internet.gr
Regards,
DimitriosI've got an upcoming recording project, and want to use an external converter (Lavry Blue) with my MEC and IF442. How do I set up the system so that the Lavry is the master clock source?
Do I need to use T connectors into the MEC and IF442 sync ins, and use a 75 ohm terminator? Or, can I just go from the Lavry sync out to the Mec Sync in, and then Mec sync out to the IF442 sync in?
Cheers
KrisDoes anyone know what does Error code 1/1 mean?
I installed Mike Audet drivers.
This is what i get after installing Paris 3.0:
Mec is connected with a cable and turned on. Bought the Paris from Roginator.Most likely culprit is an incorrect or incomplete install of the drivers - see this link for more info:
Best bet: start again in the install process, making very sure to complete each step before moving on. I "winged it" myself and paid the price I've owned a PARIS system since 2000 - only used it off and on due to moving from NYC to London and now to France.
Although I'm using a couple of other systems right now, I really miss PARIS and I'd like to get my system up and running again. My Win98 machine is iffy, so I thought it might be a good time to finally go over to XP. I have a machine from 2004-ish - 2.4GHz P4 - that I thought I'd use.
I have a bunch of docs on installing onto XP, but I can't seem to find the original PARIS XP drivers. As my machine isn't multiple CPU, would Mike's new drivers be overkill? Would there be any other benefits to using them (aside from supporting his good work?).
Any other tips would be great. Looking forward to getting my system back up and running.
MylesInstalled card.
Booted windows. New hardware Found message. (which means card works ok)
Installed Mike Audet drivers according to provided instructions.
Installed Pace.
Installed Paris 3.0
Turned on MEC.
Started Paris 3.0.
Error.
Tried another SCSI cable. Same problem.Heya Myles - according to Mike, the old drivers will be a tiny bit more optimized for single-CPU machines (although it's hard to say whether this would be noticeable). On the other hand Mike's new drivers squash a number of bugs that plagued the old ones, particularly an issue with multiple ADAT cards or multiple MECs.
An enormous plus for anyone considering the new ones is that Mike Audet can help you through installation tech support issues that arise - not something that can be said about any of the earlier efforts (although there is a lot of collective wisdom about them searchable here on the forums to help you). And as you mention, it does encourage further PARIS development.
If I remember from the last rebuild and install it was making sure the drivers took properly.
took a couple of passes with Mike's new drivers but once installed properly everything else went smoothly.
Don
Drivers are really easy to install.
New hardware is found, you go to Have Disk option and guide it to the driver path. Driver properly reports a card and installation finishes ok.
Since i tried with the other cable (high quality SCSI) and the card gets detected, just one suspect is left: MEC. Yesterday i pulled out all the expansion cards out of it. But i still got the same problem.
I believe with different PCI voltage the card wouldn't work at all thus not be detected. So my bet is the MEC.Has there have been a thread, or does anyone want to share pics of their studio with shots of their ensoniq paris rig?
I'm curious to see how people incorporated paris into their studioIn the middle of rewiring everything properly to prepare for my upcoming mix session.
I've always run the Paris output through my Mackie and then into the Event monitors. I'm thinking that adds a layer of electronics and possible degradation.
If I feed the Events directly from the outputs of the MEC, how well will that work? I seem to remember reading something back in the day about not touching the monitor knob on the C16 because is screws with the output math.
Without buying a passive "Big Knob", how do you guys work monitor volume?
I've been dinking around with Paris for years, feel it's about damn time I got serious and did this right.I use a passive volume control between my MEC and my amp...no noticeable difference to my ears
Which one do you use?When my studio becomes a studio and not just desks in the corner of an unfinished basement, I'll be happy to share. Right now, I ain't showing ANYBODY my little mess.That's a great idea - I managed to break my digital camera, but I'll see what I can do over here.I had a friend build me one...nothing fancy I can get the SMAudio Nano Patch for $60. Anything more gooder for less money? I have a soldering iron and I'm not afraid to use it.....
Hi,
I am having problems with receiving start and stop signals over ADAT sync. running Cubase 5 as slave using the HDSP5692 card. The transport immediately starts running, and never stops even if the stop button is hit on the master system. Sync information is however detected if the jog wheel on the master system is moved, and the transport locator is correctly synced in the slave system. The start and stop signals are however never received, so the transport runs forever in the slave system.
This problem only appears in Cubase 5, Cubase SX 3 is running fine.
HDSP9652: Fut 108
Driver: wdm 3.0.82
ADAT 1: In sync
ADAT sync: In sync
Cubase 5.1.0: Slave
PARIS 3.0: Master
BR
Arne-J. Auberg
whats is the best way to bring otari radar II files in to paris?
If it has to be done in real time whats is a good interface?
Are the Radar's converters way better than paris convertres.
any hear using radar?
You aren't going to need an interface, there are a couple of convenient alternatives to bring multitrack audio files out of RADAR and into PARIS already.
The way I do it currently is to render RADAR sessions to WAV files (all starting from zero of course) and export them wherever I like (I use the studio's dedicated Mac but you can use any laptop with an FTP client) via ethernet and RADAR's internal FTP. They import into PARIS like any other WAV file. I can't remember if they'll need StripWav'ing but that's pretty trivial. That'd be my #1 choice, it's quick and foolproof.
Another alternative is to have the studio burn the RADAR files to a DVD for you at the end of the session. Reaper can import RADAR sessions directly; just open the RADAR session in Reaper, render the tracks out in the PARIS-friendly format you want and import as above.
RADAR's convertors were one of the few convertors I used to like better than PARIS'. They sound excellent - nothing to dislike about them at all.I've Googled lots of plans for them online in the past - but assuming SMAudio's done a decent job of not screwing up the signal path () then $60 seems a price I'd willingly pay to get out of a couple of hours work.
Really dumb Q
Are you using ASIO positioning protocol (or some damn name like that) as your sync.
I found that I could not get things to sync properly until I had that set up correctly...might have been just my system that required this but I thought I'd throw that out as a possibility
Cool. And based on what I'm finding for prices of decent stepped attenuators, I'm already more than $60 before I even open the box.
Unfortunately, either SM is slow getting these in the supply chain, or Musician's Friend didn't order enough, but I'm backordered. Dang.
I'm going to call my guy at Full Compass and if they have it, see if I can cancel the MF order. Although, it kinda pisses me off that they already charged my account even though they're not ready to ship.... Let me know how you like it - I might be "going there" myself sometime soon.Are there any plans to upgrade Paris for win7
Windows7 windows 7 windows sevenThe words "Upgrade" and "Paris" in the same sentence sound so freekin cool but let's be realistic, ah... don't think so. But that's not to say that we can't get the old bird off the ground with Mike's awesome XP driver. I have a empty partition in the old P4 box, I must give it a shot, ya never know.
Has anyone tried it yet?
Rob_A As of the last time Mike and I spoke he guessed it wouldn't a problem to adapt his new drivers to Windows 7. I would guess that it will all depend on what Mike discovers when he gets 7 installed. I know finishing the ASIO drivers is still the first priority though.
Mike would never ask me to say something like this, but because he's such a huge asset to the community I'm going to go ahead and say it: obviously the more people buy Mike's existing drivers the more incentive he's gonna have to write new ones, so "buy until it hurts!" Hi Pageman,
If you still need help, send me an email with your phone number.
I could call tomorrow night.
All the best,
MikeSolved.
For some reason Paris started working after i installed Chris Thoman driver, uninstalled it from Device Manager / System devices, then installed Mike Audet driver.
I know it sounds weird, but the Paris works now.
On the second thought i can't remember was MEC turned on when i was installing Mike Audet driver first time. Maybe that might be the source of the problem.Well, as they say in "Spinal Tap", "one of those mysteries best left unsolved" - glad to hear it's working now!Hey Kerry, if I knew where to get a 2.2, I'd jump ship. Hell, I've even thought of dumping $300 on the east coast 3.0 version. Sorry I didn't respond sooner. Recording every day of the week, (nearly) and all on 2.1, I'd love to give 2.2 a shot. Thank you BTW for the on going help for all us Paris junkies. That is very kind on your part. If you'd let me know where to get a Mac os 9 version, I'd be very greatful, JohnHey John - it's still up at Emu's old site, you can grab it direct:
It's a pleasure, John - I love the old gal, she's a valuable part of the creative process to me (the most important part in my case, since she's the one that says "stop faffing about with software toys and make some music now" ).
Got it last night - Full Compass had it in stock, for $10 less than MF, and I had it in 2 days with normal shipping. I apologized to my guy and promised never to cheat on him again.
For the same money, I got the Nano Patch, 100' of perm install mic cable for wiring a patch bay, and 2 right-angle Neutrik TRS plugs.
Nice.
First impressions - nice build quality, knob is continuously-variable pot and not stepped, but is silky smooth. Will wire up necessary cables tonight and give it a try.Great read.
I'm in the middle of a recording project, 19 tracks @ 24 bit/44.1kHz live off the floor. Things were going great till end of the day, I had a 'error queing project', and rebooted. Things worked, but about an hour later I noticed Paris was not as snappy anymore. Overviews are being drawn very slowly.
Now that the band has gone home, I can't even playback for more than a few seconds. I get streaming errors. CPU usage goes up to 100% too (no DX/VST plugins in use at all).
It's an older PC (Athlon 2.1 GHz), but it's handled this kind of load before. I'm not sure what's up...maybe a drive packing in, or CPU failing?
Anyone have any ideas that may help me pull off tomorrow's session?
Cheers
KrisSome further information...
It seems my audio drive is stuck in PIO mode...no DMA access available. Does this seem like a hard disk issue, or Mobo problem?
In the BIOS screen, ultra-dma is available, but not in windows. I'll try a new IDE cable....but I'm grasping at straws here.
Cheers
Kris
I may have answered my own question here...
I plugged a different hard disk into the IDE controller, and sure enough it goes into DMA mode 5.
Rebooting with my regular audio drive re-installed gets me back to mode-5 access. Dunno what happened....maybe my drive is going bad. Prolly ought to back up tomorrow morn.
Cheers
Kris
Hi Ted
Just read your post on using LiquidMix in PARIS !
So what wrapper/s worked ?
I've never tried using VST plugs in PARIS, I had a bit of success with some DX plugs but nothing to write home about.
So with a VST wrapper, does that mean you can run all sorts of different plugs natively in PARIS ?
Clearly I know nothing of these things.
Cheers,
Stewart.
It's Gearslutz
nuff said
i'm sure you all know about this but..your cell can now be called by t'mers. to block call
1-888-382-1222Hi,
You know that all submixes except for the main submix1 have LR outputs on Paris intrconnection table ?
This works !!
You can either hear your separate submixes thru your headphone (attached to corresonded MEC) or send this LR output to a MEC's pair of outputs !, or even bring them back to the same submix so you can record your srumtracks that are located to this specific submix to a stereo track so you can the apply VST/DX !!
TIP II
You can output all your submixes say four Mecs give you four sets of stereo submix outputs (if you happen to have four eds cards) stereo outs to a second PC running Cubase and there process with VST/DX before mixing to a stereo inside Cubase
Regards,
DimitriosOh man. I *so* needed that trick yesterday, and I just might wind up using it today on either of two sessions - thanks!Is everything working with LM? How many tracks and how is the latency?
Thanks - I've been looking at one but have decided to stay with Paris and did not know how well it would work.
Thanks!! woooooooooooooooow
i wanna submix my stuff
on my mCI !!!!!
woohooo
will try
thanx
Is anyone using Paris in Maryland or N.W. Washington, DC? I am making some recommendations to some. All the files were created in Paris V.3. Feel free to email me at ganttmann@gmail.com. I can do this - unfortunately, the studio is dead and gone, but will live again soon!
This was a studio I had in London - its reincarnation is underway in the southwest of France. You can see some of the progress here: http://mylescochran.com/studiofrance.htm
Now I have to get PARIS running (for the first time) on an XP machine...
A zillion questions to follow, no doubt...
Hi, Paul -
I'd suggest you try the simplest and cheapest approach first.
At your Home Depot (or local big box building supply equivalent), find some fiberglass or rockwool slabs 2 inches or 4 inches thick. 703 is the Owens Corning fiberglass variety; the Rockwool you want is approximately 45kg/m3 in density. It's named differently in different countries.
What you want to do is cut these panels (they're usually 2 x 4 feet, or 600 x 1200mm) so that you have the largest triangles you can make, or that you can tolerate in your room from a losing-floorspace point of view. Stack them up from floor to ceiling in two corners. If you like what happens (as you probably will), do the same in your other two corners. It will be great for mixing - you'll be surprised at the difference in what you hear (and don't) in the room.
You can also make wood frames for these panels and hang them on the walls, which is important to do at any reflective spots between you and your monitors.
A whole industry has grown out of making acoustic stuff to sell to people. 95% of it can be done yourself, pretty cheaply, with the same materials the manufacturers use. They're selling convenience, not better technology.
You can see these in my studio here: http://mylescochran.com/studiofrance.htm
Hi Paul, I have an octagon shape room and I like it but one thing I want to suggest that I missed when designing my setup is "A proper machine room/area" for all those loud equipment fans. If your still in the design phase, now's the time. If you already thought of it, cool. I went with an area in my desk for the computers and MECS but I would definitely take them out of the control room if I was to do it over. They aren't that loud but it would have been so easy to do back then.....Along with other things I suppose....oops, did I say that out loud!!
just my 2 cents, good luck
Rob_AWow, that room is amazing. Please do keep us informed of your progress.
Rob_A I kinda dig the trapezoidal LCD in the middle...
I've planned on remoting the pcs already. I've got a square wire restaurant shelf about 6' high with three shelves - bottom one will hold the G5 and the APC 2500 UPS, middle shelf will hold the HP XW Twins, and I'll probably just lay the G4 with the Oasys card on it's side on the top shelf. All those cables will be routed through a passthrough stuffed with sound-deadening uhhhh....stuff.
I was toying with mounting the Oasys G4 in the rack with the MECs since I have a spare set of Marathon rackmounts, but then I realized that would put the fan/HD noise of the G4 in the studio instead of outside.
Actually, is there a reason to keep the MECs in the studio? Could they also be outside the room with snakes connecting them to a patch bay?
Since I'm building the walls from scratch, I'm still toying with a trapezoidal room. I'll definitely go with the DIY corner blockers and things that have been mentioned - cheaper is more gooder, in this case.So you like my " trapezoidal LCD " do ya......!!
Amazing, I paid 700 bucks a peice for those LCDs back in 03, times are a changin. My stich job definitely leaves something to be desired. Have to put that Canon wide angle lens on the xmas list.
As for your MECs, I would try to get them out of the ctrl room as well. With mine, one of em is whisper quiet but the other is quite loud, time for a new fan soon but I dread having to venture back there into the abyss of cables.
Rob_AWell, that would solve the problem of where to put the Oasys G4. I can rack it under the MECs and leave them outside the room.
I would imagine that if I decided at some point to do any recording here, as long as I know they're calibrated properly, as long as my preamps don't go red then I don't have to worry about the blinky lights on front of the input cards.3.0 on a MacWow. I am feeling very, very alone. Must be time to go shopping for a new DAW.
ganttI'm getting back into Paris and have been using my old AMD2100 for a recording project that I'm working on. To be honest, while it works amazingly well considering its age, it is pretty slow. Overviews are drawn slowly, and the overall experience is not as 'snappy' as I'd like.
I'd like to pick up Mike Audet's new driver and a good mobo+processor to go along with it. What should I watch out for as far as incompatibilities go?
Here's what I've been thinking of:
- Intel quad core i7 CPU
-4GB of Ram
- Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3R motherboard ( reviewed here http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2463 )
- Memoright GT 16GB solid state drive (for Windows XP)
- 300 GB WD Velociraptor
So here are my pointed questions:
1) Is there any reason to suspect that Paris, and Mike Audets won't work on the new Intel processors?
2) What PCI slot specs are needed for the EDS cards to be happy? What should I be on the lookout for?
Cheers
KrisI'd like to register for the Paris wiki site, but I can't figure out how to register. The form asks for an invitation code....what is this?
Cheers
Krispsst... see here. Probably ever covered.
nevermind.
For the famous "can't stream data fast enough, blabla" :
Just increasing disk buffer i/o to 128K solved the problem.
Increasing the cache did'nt solved, but just allowed to read a few second more before error occured.
i'll be back soon with one or two presets for DPPROhall, wich surprise me more and more. Definatly usable for decent mixing job with no budget.I don't know anyone myself; what do you need done, mixing or tracking?What's the easiest, most accurate way to calibrate the inputs on an 8i card? I've got three of them that I got on the 'bay, and I've never calibrated them.
What do you use for a signal source? And is it safe to assume that you set "actual zero" a tad below "indicated zero" to give yourself a bit of headroom?There's an old but very in-depth calibration manual for the 8i at the Wiki in the "reference library" section.Ooops. Looks like I'm not registered, and apparently I have to be invited to join the club.
That's too bad, since I haven't had much luck with that all through life....
Consider yourself invitedWow. That is thorough. Wish I had an 8ot card...
I think the Emu 1212 in my other audio pc has balanced TRS outs. That might work.
Now, I need to find a VOM that does RMS. Doesn't look like my one Simpson does - I'll have to check my rackmount Fluke and my portable Fluke (once I find where I set it down... )Woohoo! I have an assortment of VOM's, one of the perks of working at a surplus electronics shop for years. My two Flukes and the Simpson don't do RMS, but the fancy-schmancy HP I had on the bench in the garage does.
After the weekend, I can set up and calibrate them suckers.
Thanks for the pointer.Looking forward to your presets
Well, I hooked the NanoPatch up last night, and have to say it does exactly what it says. I didn't notice any coloration, and the mute switch did just that without any pops.
For the money, looks like a great option.
Took me a couple of seconds to get used to attenuation vs. volume - when you're used to faders on a mixer which give you gain, something that starts at unity and goes down from there is a little different.
I was interested, however, to hear the difference between a straight attenuator and my Mackie 1604 - everything sounded much clearer through the NanoPatch. Wasn't aware of the coloration the pres in the Mackie was adding....wow i'd be really interested in a setup like this with magma chasis for a ton of eds cards I've created new PARIS Splash Screens for v3.0 and v2.1
To get them please visit: www.maplevalefarm.com/paris.html.
There are download instructions for the images, as well as a download for XN Resource Editor. The free program needed to skin PARIS Pro and previous versions of PARIS.
Other Splash Screen color schemes available for free upon request.
JONvery nice Killer, thanks! I'd write more, but I'm in the midst of a tour and a bottle of very fine Scotch and I'm having to spellcheck every second word...
-kHi Kerry, do they mind you being on the computer and drinking Scotch while on stage? Hence the spellcheck. Thanks, regards the bitmaps and for the great forum. I've been working on a PARIS skin. So far the only bitmap I've finished is 'MIXERBIGEQ' for the mixer's graphic EQ window. I attached the bitmap for you.
I have a PARIS question:
I'm a long time PARIS user (10yrs) I'm having an issue (yes, we all have issues) with v3.0. I don't know if you've ever run into this before. After PARIS is completely loaded and ready for use my CPU (AMD 64 bit 2.2ghz) starts to hover around 95%. It makes it almost impossible to use PARIS. I don't have any problems when using v2.1 or my PARIS hardware.
Thanks in advance.
JON The skin looks great, can't wait to see the rest!
As to the 95% usage - hmm - dunno, I'm relatively new to the PC side. Have you tried disabling DX and dragging your native plugins out of their folder yet to see if it's something to do with that?OK, I haven't been here for a while, and didn't even know this place still existed--but I'm glad you're here!
So how do I get a hold of these new drivers?
Any caveats?
Also, is there information relating to using Paris with UAD-1? I haven't tried this in a while.
I have just started working on some mixes in Samplitude but think it might sound better in Paris...agreed?
So show the way to Mike's drivers.
Thanks,
RonThanks regards the EQ bitmap. When I started working on the bitmaps I had to figure out what was what, besides the obvious graphics. The next one may be a bit quicker as I progress.
I'll try your suggestion about the native plugins. DirectX is already disabled. Version 3.0 used to work just fine. I'm not sure exactly what triggered the problemo. I did contact Intelligent Devices and waiting to hear back. They're not the most prompt with responses to tech questions.
Cheers,
JONI've just got a sec for a quick reply, but you can click the "mikeaudet" link in the header up at the top of this page. Mike's work is very polished and the drivers seem to be working like a charm for most folks - stable as a rock on my system.So how can I log onto Wiki...it asks me for an invitation code?this link should sort you out No Problems with the drivers
I'm using the UAD-1e cards and have had no real issues except for a delayed start up after hitting the play button.
edit: and the ugly interface when using the wrapper
And of course, I need it in a hurry.
I got asked to design sound at the community theatre I left several years ago. Wouldn't have done it, but the show is a sequel to one we did years ago, and it's the original director and cast, and they're all good friends.
The script calls for Act II to start with a radio broadcast of a Christmas concert by the local HS band playing a medley of Christmas carols.
Only thing is, it's a real small school, in really rural Texas, and the band is really, really, really bad.
I need anywhere between 30 - 60 seconds of bad band music. Like nobody can play in tune or in time.
Does anyone here have:
1) Brass patches on a synth and;
2) Time to whip up a quick sound bite for me?
I can handle putting it into a "broadcast" sound space. I just need the music.
I would be happy to buy the beer if you ever come close to Chicago.
Thanks.OK, I'm a little confused.....
Exactly how do I do this?
-WillPaul Artola is in that area, but I haven't been in touch for a while.
GrahamI solved my own problem. Found a clip on youtube of a marching band playing Christmas carols. Snagged the audio into Paris, did a random pitch shift and slowed it down some. Close enough.
rsi77 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 18:21
OK, I haven't been here for a while, and didn't even know this place still existed--but I'm glad you're here!
So how do I get a hold of these new drivers?
Any caveats?
Also, is there information relating to using Paris with UAD-1? I haven't tried this in a while.
I have just started working on some mixes in Samplitude but think it might sound better in Paris...agreed?
So show the way to Mike's drivers.
Thanks,
Ron
Hey Ron. I have a purchased copy of Mike's drivers that I'll sell you and it will be cheaper than buying new. Mike already told me I can transfer the registration easily. I don't use Paris anymore and no longer need them. Up to you, but if you are inerested, email me: darbyohara at hotmail dot com
3.0 on MAC 9.22I have Steinberg's Virtual Guitar (not #2) the original one.
It is a VSTi 2.x version
I am on a MAC running 9.2.2
is it possible to access this VSTi from within PARIS?
thanks
daniel
Hi there,
if someone has done this, please advise...
Cubase 5.1x
PARIS 3.0
MAC 9.22
I want to be able to trigger PARIS from Cubase and/or Visa Versa in order to record virtual guitar tracks (a VST 2.x) within Cubase to use on PAIS projects.
Now I have to do a PARIS temp MIX
import that to CUBASE, record the guitar parts.
EXPORT THEM, convert them, import them to PARIS, etc.
not too creative, by the time this is done...
thanks VERY MUCH!Hi,
I just recently got a new Dell T5500 PC (using Mike's suggestions) and put my EDS card in, installed Paris Pro and Mike's XP drivers, and while it seems that Paris installed ok, I can't get it to load.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
TomHi Tom
Can you give us a bit more info?
What errors are you getting and when?
Did you follow the driver and Paris install instructions carefully?
In your device manager, is the EDS card showing up in the "system devices" section with no funky question mark?
Rob
I did follow the instructions for the Paris install and the driver install, and am getting no error message at all when I click on the Paris icon. It just sort of does nothing.
The EDS card went in easily, but it is not showing up under my system devices, nor is any question mark.
Appreciate any help you can give.Tom, so in device manager/system devices you dont see Ensoniq sherzo? Sorry about that, yes I do see Ensoniq Scherzo in the Device Mgr and in the correct PCI slot.Still not working though...I click on the Paris icon, get the hourglass for a second, and then nothing happens....
Just reinstalled Paris again and uploaded the new driver and nothing...I'm not sure this can be done (in real time) on one computer although I could be totally wrong.
My set up uses two computers linked via ADAT lightpipe which allows me to fly tracks from one rig to the other in real time.
Routing can be a bit of a bitch at times but generally it's fairly straight forward.thanks for that insight.
hopefully, some one has also done it within one machine, using the OMS MIDI internal OS routing
daniel
Hi to those who were wondering where I'd disappeared to - I was off on tour for ten days, and my internet access was sporadic. I'm back now, and accounts should be approved quickly henceforth.How many people here have a newer motherboard which has PCI slots which work with EDS cards? Which MB's are they? Or do you use Magma chassis?
Ronbump
i'm really interested in a paris rig with a solid state driveThanks and Kudos to Mike, for his patience in helping me get this up and running.
Hi all,
I've just loaded up my new Windows XP machine with Paris 3.0, and (in anticipation of an upcoming session) am looking to purchase the right version of Antares Autotune as well as Wavelab.
Is anyone here running these on an XP machine with Paris 3.0, and which version do you recommend? Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you!I just read an old post about Antares 1.3 working - does anyone know where I could find a copy for sale?
Thanks,
TomAll set thanks!I plan on using a magma just cause of heat issues.
Don't forget this alternative to Magma chassis. It has been proven to work with EDS cards.
I finally sold my Paris system. I'm annoyed with myself I didn't advertise it here, but I couldn't find this group (has it moved in the last few months???).
Anyway, I'm trying to do the right thing by the buyer and I've downloaded Paris V3.0 for him, and am wanting to get the skunkworks plugs for him. Unfortunately, I've misplaced mine and all I'm left with is the records of purchases from Chuck Duffy at Paypal;
2 x $40
2 x $50
1 x $30
1 x $10
I'm pretty sure I had the EQ pack, Even titer, Modpack, No Limit & Pseudo. Since I believe Chuck Duffy doesn't deal with this anymore ( the links on the PARIS FAQ's are all broken) does anyone know if it's even possible to get a copy of these with proof of purchase?
I know, it's my own darn fault for not backing stuff up. It is backed up somewhere, but it's in the attic - which is to say, it'll probably surface around the same time that talking apes take over the world and Charlton Heston comes to visit in a spaceship <obscure film reference, anyone?>.
If someone could either point me in the right direction or just let me know I'm screwed, I'd sure appreciate it.
Cheers
MarkusThanks for the replies.
I currently have a Magma with the tracking setup, but I was thinking it would be nice to have a simple system at home that I could listen to mixes on wihtout having to drag the other system home.
It seems they don't make these motherboards anymore, but I found some on ebay. I guess I'd better snatch one up if I want to have a system with my EDS in the box.
Ron It's certainly not the only choice; Mike's drivers in particular have made the choice of motherboard and processor much less an issue of "getting it exactly right".
I did a lot of research to find a solid combo of "PARIS-approved hardware" last year and built a solid PC to run it on. But as luck would have it, the PCI slots on that mobo died during the physical move into my studio space. By that point Mike's new drivers were out and running great. There was no real data on what hardware worked and what didn't, but we were optimistic that they'd made PARIS generally far more tolerant of different hardware, so I basically chose that replacement motherboard/processor combo at random out of what was available on my local Craigslist that night. And it rocks - it's far more solid and stable than my Macs; I just leave it on constantly as the main "mixer" for the studio. So don't waste too much time dialling in the perfect rig for a twitchy hardware-intolerant PARIS - buy something you'd run any other DAW on, chuck the EDS cards in and give it a shot.Before I go bang on the doors of developers like these, we need to get libsndfile bugfixed so that all flavours of PAF are read and translated correctly. It currently produces gibberish with 24-bit PAFs produced by the Mac version of PARIS.
That's high on my personal list of "things I'd like to see solved": we'd then have an existing translation library to point developers to when asking for the inclusion of PAF import/export. I'm not going to waste my time dreaming about the impossible, we're far too small and closed a market to ask people to devote any significant development resources to. But the moment we can say "look over here, all of the heavy lifting has already been done" it could be a far more reasonable proposition (possibly just a few hours of coding time; Xenakios built the PAF import wrapper in a matter of hours). A couple of dozen potential licenses looks like better math at that point.Heya Markus... point by point:
1) The group didn't move, per se. These forums (and blog and wiki) were an add-on to the NG with a tighter focus on current use and active development. The NG continued unchanged and the two venues were run in cooperation and sync by design until Kim shut the NG down some months back to pursue personal travel. But having said that - you'll see lots of familiar faces here. Don't be misled by the "logged in" list either - by design this forum can be either be read via login, read without logging in, or even read via RSS etc; the contents can even be "pushed" via email, it's all designed to get info out to PARIS folks in whatever form they prefer. Folks tend to log in to do something in particular like post a thread or comment. I use a combo of methods depending on which computer I'm reading from.
2) I don't want to promote mistaken info (and I hope Chuck will correct me if I'm mistaken) - but I believe the Skunkworks plugins were all eventually released into the community as a gift from Chuck. This is, of course, in their "as originally released by the Skunkworks" form - for example, Mike has now released an upgraded version of NoLimit and that upgraded version's available for purchase through his site. So it's more a matter of physically finding the originals. As far as I know they all still actually exist on Doug Wellington's PARIS FAQs site but the links got scrambled in a server move. Read this thread for the process to locate and download them.
I should probably ask Chuck if it's cool with him for me to get them all organized and served in the "reference library" section of the Wiki with updated documentation (another item on a decent sized "to do" list ).Hey Kerry,Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it.
Downloading as we speak.
Cheers
MarkusI'm not sure how new this set up is but my new rig is built around the ASUS P5B MB and P965 chip set uses an Intel E9400 processor.
I have 2 EDS cards and 2 UAD-1e cards installed on the MB and so far it has worked flawlesslyHi,
I just (with the great help of Mike!) got my new machine up and running Paris on XP. Performance wise it's great, but I just started to do a mix and I noticed alot of pops and crackles in the track. They are not showing up in the submixes, just when I mix down using Global.
Any help would be appreciated!
Thanks,
TomAre there any background processes running?Hi,
No background processes running. A couple of plug ins but that's it.
New machine is dual core, very fast. Could it be the sampling rate (which I have set at 44)?
I can't really hear the pops until I open the wav files in Soundforge to edit.Very strange - that machine should be able to handle that with extreme ease, sounds like a single setting somewhere that needs tweaking. Wish I knew more about PCs so I could be of more help.That is weird...I've had the odd crackle and pop (very rare) but they were only anomalies in playback and weren't actually written on the wav or paf file.
Which plugins were being used...if they were third part that could be the source.I was just using a couple of PARIS plug ins like compressor and delay, maybe chorus on the backing vox too.
I'll experiment some more. It was weird, there didn't seem to be anything dirty in the PARIS track files when they were solo'd out.Tom, if your running two Paris I/O devices, don't forget the BNC connection between the two, this could cause funky crackles if I remember correctly.
Robi wish someone had a paris rig working with a solid state drive Do we have any suspicions that it might not work with solid-state drives at this point, or is it just a question of "nobody's tried it yet"?
[added - I just checked out pre-Christmas prices on some of those. Still pretty expensive compared to regular drives but they do seem to be coming down...]Hi all. The last seven months have flown by (busy both with gigs and with recording on PARIS), and I thought it was high time to give this thread a "still needed" bump. Thanks for looking!Hi all,
I may be putting together a new system so as to have a separate tracking (live) and mixing setup. What is the current cost of Paris 3.0?
Also, can 2.2 run on XP? I thought not but wasn't sure. My tracking system doesn't need 3.0, but the computer I want to use is already loaded with XP.
Thanks,
RonPARIS 2.2 runs on XP with no problems. 3.0 adds a lot of great features. The price of V3 is $295, unchanged since 2001.
V3.0's cost in 2001 represented about 10% of the price of a Bundle 3; that was definitely good value. Today the market value of a Bundle 3 has dropped by 90%, yet the price of 3.0 software hasn't. The fact that V3.0 now costs as much as the hardware it runs on has completely rewritten the market equation. Today, if you want V3.0, the forum's recommendation is to shop for a used Bundle 3 with a transferable V3 license instead, and 1) double your live tracks 2) double your live mixer channels, 3) double your live FX and 4) double your live i/o - all for more or less the same money.
Think of it as paying full price for the software but getting a free (or dirt cheap) Bundle 3 thrown in too.
I'm not meaning to bust the chops of anyone at Intelligent Devices, but given those market realities they need to get on the ball on this.Thanks for the quick response...next question:
Do the new drivers work with v 2.2?
If not, do I only need the Scherzo driver on the EMU website to make 2.2 work with XP, or do I need something else.
Thanks,
Ron Hi Tom,
Are you saying that it plays OK in Paris and you don't notice the pops until you play back in Sound Forge? Do you see the pops in the display of the waveform? If not check your buffer sizes in Sound Forge...
MikeNow in the process of moving from Mac OS 9 to Windows XP. Wondering about ppj transfer -
is it seamless? can I open ppjs in XP that were created in OS9 with no problem? Aside from plugins being different and so on...
TedThanks Mike - Will do...
PS - Great new record!
Cheers,
TomHi Ted - yes, should be seamless. I don't know if things have changed since my Mac PARIS days, but if they haven't, then the only gotcha I can recall is fairly easily dealt with. The process of taking files across from a Mac to a Windows computer used to convert the file names to 8.3. Names like mygreatkicktrack.paf would get chopped to something like MYGREATK.PAF. At this point the ppjs that referred to them wouldn't be able to see them any more.
The solution was to install the Joliet File System extension for OS9, at which point the problem went away. Hey Ron - you'll definitely need specific XP drivers, not just the ones on the EMU site. If you're on an older single-core CPU you can use the old (free) ones - they've been a mainstay of PC-using PARISians for five years now. But if you want to use a more modern multicore/multiprocessor CPU, you'll definitely be wanting Mike Audet's drivers. They cost $50 and they offer significant bugfixes and general stability improvements - but I think they'd be worth that much just for the tech support. I believe 2.2 works fine with Mike's drivers.Harrison MIXBUS!
Yesterday I imported some old paf. files into Mixbus, they worked just fine and the sound was amazing!
I think there´s some "PARIS MAGIC" in Mixbus.
If you´re a MAC/PARIS head, you should try it.
Introductory price is only $79.99.thanks KerryYes Aaro - I have found the same thing. I've decided it's not _quite_ as 3D as Paris
(most noticeable on headphones) but I'm also using a convo verb instead of my dedicated TC hardware unit, which I believe does not give Mixbus the same chance...
Ted
I'm on PC and I've done it in the past using MIDI Yoke. It creates virtual MIDI connections for you, which you can use to slave PARIS to Cubase or vice versa. Don't know if it works on Mac, but maybe there's something comparable that does?Oh duh. And here I was contributing to the Mixbus thread over on Gearslutz too. Added, thanks!Ted, you probably already know this, but since the consequences of getting this wrong are so potentially disastrous (I got bitten badly by this once "back in the day"), I'll say it anyway for the benefit of others.
This only applies to creating PC formatted disks from the Mac - you're safe if you're staying with Mac format archives, and using something like MacDrive to read those disks on PC. But if you're transferring your PPJs and PAFs from Mac OS9 to PC via a PC formatted disk, all I can say is if you once let the names get stripped down to 8.3 names, the damage has been done. The original name info becomes irrecoverable and even Mac versions of PARIS won't be able to read it any more. The audio filenames themselves will have been changed and your PPJs will lose their grasp of what files belong to them and what audio goes where.
The only thing you can do at that point is to tediously manually re-associate the PPJ's audio with the renamed PAFs, which can range from "an easy two minutes" to "practically impossible".
So Mac PARIS users: make certain this is addressed before you archive and delete originals - there's no going back. Or (safer) - stick with Mac format archives and use MacDrive.Yes, you can (at least in theory) do this via OMS and the IAC bus. The problem is going to be that even the last generation of Macs that could run OS 9.2.2 are pretty underpowered to pull this off cleanly. I remember I experimented with this on my beige G3/300 and found it to be unusably "lurch-y".
Get the oldest, leanest, skinniest version of Cubase that will still run the VSTi you want, and turn off everything you don't absolutely need in "preferences". And have lots of RAM.
Oh, the other thing you can do, of course, is to dedicate one channel in PARIS to outputting SMPTE as audio, and feed a MIDI interface driving Cubase with that. That did work a bit better for me, if I recall.Thanks for the reply.
I have a G4, so well see.
Any idea what the settings need to be for the MIDI to talk to each other via OMS
for OMS
for CUBASE and
for PARIS
I really appreciate your help.
daniel
Hi all. We have fresh eyes working on the "libsndfile doesn't work with Mac 24-bit PAFs" problem right now, but we could use some new test files and I can't generate them (I'm on PC PARIS and those files work fine). Could some PARIS Mac user create some short 24-bit PAF files (five seconds max) at both 44.1 and 48k, zip them and upload them here to this thread ASAP for testing purposes? It doesn't matter what's in them, any audio will do.
Thanks!yikes - ok I'll be careful
ALSO - on Mac, PAFs are the only format that can _record_ @ 24 bit, but 24 bitSD2 files can be read and mixed whereas WAVs can only be read and mixed @ 16 bit. Am I correct
in thinking that on the PC side, WAVs can be read and worked with @ 24 bit?
ted
Although this is unrelated I wanted to throw out a huge thank you to you Kerry and Mike of course for keeping the fires burning.
Now it appears that its not in Paris at all, but random static in Sound Forge. It's not in the file, as it occurs all over the place in different spots with each playback.
Tried adjusting the buffers but still not solving it. Any other help is appreciated.Are you digitally sync'd between any two units? It doesn't have to be passing audio. PARIS connected to anything via ADAT cables of different lengths - a DAT machine feeding your audio card via SP/DIF - that sort of thing? If so, try disconnecting it.No, none that I'm aware of.
What audio interface are you playing the files back through? PARIS ASIO, built in (motherboard) audio, a firewire interface etc?If I'm not mistaken, on the PC side you can only work with 24 bit files on the playing field if they're PAFs. Any other 24 bit files it can handle (WAV or SD2) are auto converted into PAF before they can be used.I finally got around to actually playing with the new XP system, and I seem to have a few glitches.
2 EDS cards
2 MEC's with no cards
2 C16's (blackface).
When I fire up a project, for some reason both C16's tie to Card A.
Also, I can't get the track record arm button to work now - I can hold it down and hit any channel and nothing happens. I have to arm them on the screen with the mouse.
Right now, I have a single-card project set up as I'm transferring a cassette to CD for someone. Maybe I need to set up a Mixer B and assign to MEC B before the second C16 will un-mirror the first one? I may try that when I'm done.
Help?By the way, Tommy, I know it's probably not much help to hear this, but I have definitely seen this behaviour before, I just can't recall what I tracked it down to. I'm trying to mentally retrace my own troubleshooting path. They seem to play back fine in Paris, just when they are imported into a wave editing tool (sound forge) which I guess uses the PC's audio card. Sounds like Sound Forge isn't syncing with the sound card.Have you tried playing something back with Windows Media player? That would tell you if the problem is with Sound Forge or somewhere in Windows.
Also make sure that on that the correct sound card is chosen in SF and also in the properties page for the sound card itself in Windows. (Control Panel/Sounds and Audio Devices).
If the correct drivers are chosen in SF then try incrementally larger buffer sizes, this will translate into greater latency but as it is your wave editor it shouldn't be a problem.
Are you using the on-board sound card or something else?
MBJust tried playing back these files in Windows Media Player and they sound great and clean, no random pops.
Then it's gotta be between Sound Forge and the sound card.It's been quite a while since I've been inside Sound Forge but the settings should in a drop down menu at the top maybe under Options/preferences/Audio (IIRC) There should be a menu to select which audio device the program uses. You don't want to be using Microsoft sound mapper which SF loads by default when you install it. The name of your sound card should appear there. You should change both the recording and playback preferences. BTW what're you using for a sound card?
MBIf you aren't using a dedicated audio card or interface, maybe you could see if installing ASIO4All (free) gives you better results (often gives more tweakability).Has anyone recapped EDS , MEC etc?
caps = electrolytic capacitors
if not at some point they will have to be recapped, when do you think would be a good year in the future to do this?
for the psu of the mec is recapping it enough or should it be rebuilt?
Did you try assigning the second C16 to submix #2 by holding down the submix button and pressing #2
Yep. Figured that one out last night. I set up a project with two submixes and finally figured out how to turn both mixer/editor screens on and how to assign the C16's.
I still have the issue where the record-enable button does nothing. I'm also running into sluggishness on non-responsiveness with the EQ cycle button - I have to choose which EQ I'm working on with the mouse. But then maybe it's a hardware problem with my C16's. But I find it hard to believe that both are failing in the same way, especially since both have very low mileage on them.Maybe your C16's have been assigned in 'Pro' mode. You can un-assign them from the main paris window that's displayed at start up under the 'C-16 setup' menu.
Cheers
KrisI wouldn't worry about it. Modern electrolytics will last for quite a long time before drying out.
Cheers
KrisAs I don't use my C16 a lot I'm at a loss as to where to point you to get tracks to arm...as for sluggishness that I'll leave to those more qualified than meI don't know much about electronics, and maybe my reasoning is flawed on this (and if someone has the definitive word, please correct me). But I believe the lifespan of electrolytic caps is shortened by excessive heat (one estimate I've read says that for electrolytics every ten degrees over 85c cuts their lifespan in half, I have no way to verify that though). So I reckon that logically the users whose PARIS gear has experienced the greatest heat would be the "canaries in the coal mine" for failure. Yet I've heard no explicit word of cap failure on any PARIS gear yet, and certainly not as a trend (I did manage to fry two inputs on my MEC once, and a local electronics wizard managed to repair the board as good as new, but that's a different story). So... I figure if it ain't broke...
I don't know, assuming a range of manufacturing dates from 1997 to 2001 (I'm guessing the caps used were probably already in the pipeline, thus were manufactured before the alleged "capacitor plague" hit) - and pulling a number of fifteen to twenty-five year lifespan for the caps out of my butt - at a total guess, maybe somewhere between 2012 and 2026? Careful though, I wouldn't want that uneducated guess out there as a real estimate.
I do know that the PARIS gear has impressed those of my friends with electronic experience who have examined it inside as being *seriously* solidly engineered.Just to check the procedure - [edited to add - whoops, I had it backwards myself, good thing I re-checked] you're holding down the "select" button(s) on the C16 for whichever track(s) you want armed, and then tapping the "record" button on the C16's transport to record-arm them, right?
Odd that it's not working, it works flawlessly for me here (although I had the technique a little wrong in my head at first, which was frustrating). I don't know, maybe try powering everything down (including the PC) and using a little contact cleaner on the connectors - I have no idea of the C16's pinouts but I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility that a dirty contact somewhere is interfering.
The EQ buttons on one of my own C16s are failing too - similar symptoms (unsurprising, I suppose, since they're of similar age). I'm pretty sure the problem is just that they're getting old and in need of servicing, and I'll be cracking AA's tutorial on C16 servicing pretty soon to put them back into spec. The last time I had C16 problems, (both black face) or even a single C16, was because of the "Pro" config in the Paris config settings. I got no record track enable, submix issues and even start, stop and record problems. Deselected the "pro" mode and either single or two C16s worked as expected.
wayneSweet. I will try that tomorrow evening when I have a chance to fire things up.After trying all of the tips laid out above, I started researching SoundMax (maker of my soundcard) and have found that there are many reported problems when using SoundMax with XP (not Vista, for some reason, but the new Paris drivers are for XP as we know).
So, I am looking at replacing the soundcard in the PC now, and was wondering if anybody has any suggestions...
It's a Dell 5500 model, if that makes a diff.
Thanks and happy holidays.
TomBeen using the EMU 1212m for a couple of years now. Nice sounding card at a good price and plays nice with everything.
Sound Max drivers can be touchy.
You might think about Wavelab instead of Sound Forge it's a lot more user configurable and has tons of features. Any version after ver.4.0 can open pafs. You might be able to find one used on EBay... Been using ver. 5, never upgraded to because I haven't had a need for the features....
MB Thanks Mike - I'm looking at some external sound cards...
I was using Wavelab but it went with the old machine.
Will check that out, thanks and happy holidays!Paris is frustrating me big time folks...maybe someone can help me out if this is user error, or if there is a workaround.
I've got drums spread across 12 tracks, and have been doing spot edits to tighten up the kick and snare. I've been doing this right in the editor window (view 2) as opposed to in the wave editor. But, I've run into the following problems:
- despite using the 'time locked tool' to copy my snare track to another channel it is not always necessarily sample accurate with the source track. Doing a null test confirms this. I've had my best success by splitting the snare track by doing a 'break at now line', and moving one segment to a new channel. This seems to work, whereas using 'copy' didn't line up at all
- Somehow I must have done editing without noticing the offset, and now I have rendered my edits and have a snare track that is 60 samples late (using Analog-X sample-slide I get a pretty good null with the original snare track at 60 samples). Now the problem is that I can't accurately slide rendered snare track forward in time by 60 samples. It seems there's some kind of lower time resolution limit with Paris.
-If I use the regular (not time locked) select tool, and try to drag the track back, there is a rather coarse range, and I can either have my snare early, or late...
-I selected 'delete time' and chose 60 samples, and got basically the same result as using the regular select tool to slide the track back.
-I opened the wave editor, and selected 60 samples and said delete and still couldn't get a null
Any suggestions for how to fix this? Any way to get finer resolution with the non time locked select tool?
Help....I don't want to have to re-edit these tracks.
Cheers
Kris If I'm reading this correctly you could move your track ahead by using paris' nudge tool and then apply sample slide to make up the difference.
It might take a couple of tries to get a null happening but I'm pretty sure it can be done
If I'm not reading this correctly well then...ah...never mind
Hey Ted,
Got it and replied. Sorry, I need to hang out here more often and check my pm's.
Cheers,
TCYou can turn on instant email notifications of PMs (and/or subscribed threads or forums, whatever you like) in your control panel up top, by the way.
Not that I'm looking for you to have a reason to not drop by, mind you - but it's a handy convenience.
Merry Christmas to you and yours, TC!
- KYes, I've got that option on now.
Merry Christmas Kerry G! Hope your having a great holiday with your family. Let's get together sometime in the new year.
Cheers,
TCNope, there is *no sample accurate editing* on the playing field. The "now line" and the "nudge" function do NOT represent sample- precise values; Deej and others contributed much more accurate values so just ignore the values or consider them as "rough guides".
Welcome back to the 20th Century - have you figured out where the coal chute is on your MEC, or has it just not needed refuelling yet?
Seriously - I would have thought the timelocked selector should have been sample-accurate (never occurred to me to check), so I don't know what went on in your track. Are you doing a null test on a track with all edits intact - or have you already rendered the snare after editing? If so, possible bad news: the rendering process can induce timing errors under certain circumstances.
The good news is that it tends to fail in certain places on a track rather than randomly - everything after that "fail" (there may be more than one) should be consistently off.
If that's what bit you - I'd suggest adjusting sample-slide until you get a "null" off the top of the edited track, make a note of the setting, and then continue down the track until you hear the null failing. Cut the track at that point and re-adjust SampleSlide until the section after the cut nulls once again; make a note of that setting. Repeat if necessary (you might only need to do it in one or two places to regain the "null"). After you know what needs adjusting you can trim samples, or I suppose you could even put your snare on two (or more) tracks with different settings of SampleSlide.
BT's loopback rendering trick (sending your track out of one of your digital outs and recording it back to a new track via a digital in) is an easy way to avoid this bug.
It's Necessary To Eat Rich Food At Christmas Events...
Merry e- Christmas
... and may your holiday season be filled with good cheer!
- Kerry and the PARISForums
kerryg wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 16:05
Seriously - I would have thought the timelocked selector should have been sample-accurate (never occurred to me to check), so I don't know what went on in your track.
I have never had "slippage" moving tracks when using the Time locked tool. Null tests have verified this for me on my setup...
TGMerry Christmas Happy Holidays to everyone! Sure miss some of the folks we all know and love (!) but it's nice that we have who we have...
Peace everyone
Ted
kerryg wrote on Thu, 24 December 2009 13:05
Seriously - I would have thought the timelocked selector should have been sample-accurate (never occurred to me to check), so I don't know what went on in your track. Are you doing a null test on a track with all edits intact - or have you already rendered the snare after editing? If so, possible bad news: the rendering process can induce timing errors under certain circumstances.
The good news is that it tends to fail in certain places on a track rather than randomly - everything after that "fail" (there may be more than one) should be consistently off.
Timelocked selector seems to work, but copy and paste do not result in sample accurate values. Oh, and another complication is that if you use 'delete time', you can't clear items into the audio bin, and drag them back into the right spot on the timeline...instead they ignore the deleted time and go back where they were initially recorded.
I ended up having to render the track, because all the edits were resulting in 'assertion failure' errors which crashed Paris hard.
Looks like I'll need to re-edit these tracks, while keeping a more watchful eye on the sync.
Cheers, and merry Christmas everyone
KrisMerry Christmass every one .
Ok, I have not used my paris for like a year. I moved the hard drives around in the computer and cleaned it out. So paris made me redo my "chalange" and that worked find. When I try to load paris I get first a VST remaping error and then after that this message.
What is that all about and what do i need to do to fix it.
Im thinking my hard drive is not on the same cable as it was
before and can not see the VST patching (maybe).
Any help would great.
Sincerely,
Jeff Albro
Heya Jeff- Merry Christmas to you too!
That *really* doesn't look like a regular PARIS error message, it sounds like something else. Just a thought - move your VST (and DX) plugs out of the directory they're in (maybe drag them to a folder on your desktop) and reboot PARIS and see if the problem goes away. If it does, you've located it and can proceed from there. If not, you've come to the right place, although the holidays may be slow. Let us know!Yea thanks for the getting back so fast.
I'm thinking it could be that also.
I will try moving VST to a differnt folder first. I also have powed plug-in's and thay don't work yet and have not. I just got a wraper for them not long ago. So let me try that first and
go from there.
Keep me posted if you think of any thing more.
Only thing I did was move the hard drive to a differnt spot in the computer and add a Hot swap raid to back up.
Thanks again and Happy, Happy day.
Sincerely,
JeffMerry Christmas everyone and may you all have a vibrant 2010Also wishing all a very Merry Christmas...Jim
Yes, I have used it in the following configuration. "It's very easy and it doesn't take much to set it up".
I am using an Edirol MIDI UM-1 USB interface (single in and single out) of the PC that runs PARIS. Connect the MIDI OUT of the Edirol cable to a standalone PC with a MIDI Interface and sequencing software, to MIDI IN of course. In the PARIS MIDI Device Window, set the Edirol UM-1 OUTPUT to MTC. Set the sequencer software to receive MTC from external source. Make sure the sequencer is set to SLAVE to the incoming MTC. The sequencer PC will chase the PARIS (MASTER) PC once you press play on PARIS.
One last note is to make sure you set the Frame Rates the same. 29.97 fps is used when syncing with video. You have the option of running 30 fps if you are planning to record audio only.
I have used this configuration for a while, and it has been extremely reliable and easy.
Hope this helps,
Midi-Mouse
Thanks Midi-Mouse - I hope you don't mind, but you just made it into the PARISWiki for that clear and concise "how to" I would give it a High "5"
I think it's a great idea, once again, if the latency issues can be addressed and solved. I would love to be able to run it on my SONAR 8.5 software.
I know it's at the very top of Mike's PARIS priority list as of the last time we spoke. He's tackling it pretty much singlehandedly, and AFAIK it's just been a matter of being able to claw some free time for development.
A big 5 here Kerry, got the MC in hand.
Rob_AHi Kerry,
I'm just getting back into Paris. I'm sure that I and several people I know would be very interested in this. So I will give it a "5".
RonHi folks - this thread got resurrected recently, so I just thought I'd let you all know that this thread was in fact started a year and a half ago while I was actively beating the bushes looking for external developers to resuscitate PARIS' drivers.
But that eaarly intention was soon pre-empted from *inside* the PARIS community. For those that don't know already, PARIS coder Mike Audet has been working on the PARIS drivers in his spare time over the past year and a half. He's already released a new set of PARIS drivers that don't merely enable use of PARIS on multicore computers, they remove some of the problems that were hampering ASIO - and now he's moved on to work on the ASIO drivers themselves. You'll find a status report in this thread.
So you'll be glad to hear that the votes in this thread for ASIO drivers have already been heard, and because of that I'm going to lock this thread to avoid any confusion about where we stand at the end of 2009. Please do feel free to contribute to that newer thread though!Hi,
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to everyone !
You have to use the editor in FREEMODE !
Thus you can assign the same instrument on two Paris tracks by using only one paf file.
Then you have to use the Chainer in stereo mode by loading it at the leftmost Paris track.Or if you have a VST reverb that has dry control this will work too.
Then load inside it your favourite VST Reverb.
From inside Chainer you can also have the dry volume of your vocal so you apply as much wet reverb audio as you want.
It is stereo !
Regards,
DimitriosThanks Dimitrios.
Using Freeform mode when mixing can be problematic. Aside from the use of an extra track, I think I've been able to achieve similar results to your method by copying the paf file to the adjacent track and loading a stereo instance of the plugin across both. Unless there are uneven reflections desired (true stereo) but this way gives almost the same result...
What do you think?
Ted4 EDS-1000 Cards
1 MEC
2 X ADI/8
2 X ADO/8
1 SYNC Card ( useless )
2 ADAT Cards ( Not even USED )
1 C-16 ( Not working for some unknown reason )
SBS 7 PCI slots Expansion unit ( where the EDS.s are )
+ a Paris Trip Glyph ( 2 Barracuda.s + 1 Cheetah )
Paris Pro 3 on PC Hi all, Merry Xams and hopefully a Happier New Year . Has anybody thought of running Paris on Hackintosh machine ( an Intel or AMD based machine with Mac OS ) ??
I ma go try it pretty soon , but thought maybe someone had already tried.. any tips? apart from calling an explosives' dismantling squad ? teeee heee Interested as well. I believe I heard it has to be an Intel machine though. I assume you mean a hackintosh running XP running Paris, which doesn't make sense since you'd already be on XP anyway. Paris on Mac only runs 9.2.2 which won't run on an AMD/Intel board right?
Ted
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=13152
Dealing with HD3 issues today. The local competition runs it, and I have to justify my antiquated existence on a daily basis. The fanfare from serious musicians that have recorded with me, AND THEM, has ALWAYS been in my favor. However, the 96/192K vs 48K still gives me grief from a SALES standpoint. Hope you all don't have to deal with the same conflicts I have, but if you do, any encouraging word would be appreciated. I love this stuff, (PARIS) and have done TWO remixes from SAID HD3 facility, because the client was unimpressed with THEIR (hd3) mixdown, and yet new, and at least 1 current customer gives me crap about the 48K thing. Just a little blue today because of it! I'll feel better tomorrow I suppose!
[there, fixed it fer ya - K]Sorry about the LACK of spell checkHey Kerry, I,ve never ZIPPED anything in my life. I would love to snail mail you a project from my (still) 2.1 PARIS/ MAC 9.1. PM me your address, and I,ll send you something. And while your at it, give me some mix ideas for the project! Thanx. (2" tape guy living in a digital world) John HoustonAight folks, managed to find time to get the Wiki updated to V 1.2 in time for 2010.
The new features in version 1.2 include -
- a "search" box in the upper RH corner (it doesn't work for numerical error codes yet, but it works great with ordinary text like "assertion failed" or "talkback" etc).
- easier to create tables to organize things like key commands or latencies
- supports custom "themes" (yes, that means a proper PARIS theme will be along in due course)
- improved security
- direct navigation via the Wiki's Recent Changes MindMap - if a link is marked by a red arrow, click on it to be taken to that page (try right-clicking for more options). I'll be exploring the possibility of MindMapping the entire Wiki this year; it's a great way to navigate data fast.
- and many more items which I'll try to find time to mention here as I explore more.
Let me know if anything's broken by the upgrade and I'll get on it - and here's to a great 2010!
[PS: if you prefer the previous theme of the wiki, go into "change settings" in the upper RH corner of the Wiki and change it to "default". For some reason, "default" ain't the default - go figure.].
....
I've had a number of inquiries recently on the signup process for the Wiki; if you want to register (either to participate or simply to access current or future "registered user only" features) just follow this link and enter the seven lowercase letters that can be seen in the following image (thank you thewitch!) when it prompts you for an invitation code. All participation welcome!
Yep Ted, I think that's right - I don't think a Hackintosh (at least as the term is currently used) can run Mac OS9. It'd only be of PARIS relevance insofar as it can still boot a Windows OS like XP. But since that's probably pretty much a "given" I'd say that likely means a "thumbs up" to the Hackintosh idea.
John Houston wrote on Tue, 29 December 2009 16:34
I would love to snail mail you a project from my (still) 2.1 PARIS/ MAC 9.1. PM me your address, and I,ll send you something. And while your at it, give me some mix ideas for the project! Thanx. (2" tape guy living in a digital world) John Houston
John - we only need a few two-to-five second 24-bit PAF samples (small is good for test files). This is just so we have access to a range of files to comprehensively test the "endian" issue against, to make sure we get a lasting, definitive "never see this ancient bug again" fix. Since they're going to be small files you can upload them directly here at the forums easily enough without zipping them.
Just 1) hit "post reply", 2) using the button below the text box, "browse" for the file you want to upload, 3) select it and hit "open", and once the name shows up in the box below, hit the "upload file" button next to it. That ought to do it.
I'd still be delighted to hear the project though (although there are far better mixers on the forums than myself to get advice from) so I'll send you my snailmail separately too!
I don't even know where to start.
I swear to God, folks like that are exactly why my expensive handmade "boutique" bass is camouflaged to look like a traditional Jazz Bass (complete with vintage knobs). Because it ought to be all about how it responds and sounds - but since some folks can't hear at all through the screen of their preconceptions I fool them in the way they really want to be fooled, in the way that I consider it professionally responsible to fool them: I go by my own judgment of what I need to hear and feel, and I give them what they need to see. Which is a "70's Fender Jazz Bass".
Ask them how much extra they'd be willing to pay per hour for an "upgrade in name only" - 20%? 60%? 100%? Offer to write up a new budget for their current project. Tell them it'll cost far more and it won't sound any better, but they'll have the satisfaction of knowing that the extra money they spent let them work at 192k right up until it was stepped right back down to 44.1 for release
It's such a non-issue; everyone and their dog has access to excellent DAW software nowadays. ProTools was never an "audiophile" choice - it was always an "improved workflow" choice, and after switching to it, most people with any ears then spent tens of thousands of dollars on outboard converters and summing busses to upgrade PT's rancid offerings in an attempt to regain the sonics they'd sacrificed in the bargain.
PT's far better than it was - but today the particular DAW being used isn't anywhere near as important as it was fifteen years ago either. My own clients come to work with *me* and *my judgment as producer*, and in *my judgment* integrating PARIS into my workflow strikes a good balance between sonics, workflow and the client's budget.
Cut out a ProTools logo and stick it on your gear (I actually did this once) and ask them if it sounds better now
[/grumpy rant]
(I certainly don't advise you to actually *say* any of this to your client, but maybe it'll serve as moral support - and I do feel better now - k)Kerry I can upload some files later tonight...
T
To move more on into this... what's the LATEST OSX that Paris can run on ?? that the Paris's Mac drivers can actually run within ??
Here in Egypt and in many other countries, Pro Tools can be run within even Snow Leopard ( osx 10.5.6 ) and up, best environment is actually Leopard ( 10.5.8 ) , I haven't YET tried either , but I know of a few friends that have , and PT is running smoothly .
From my readings , it's best to have a hard drive that's totally devoted to the OSX , will reduce the number of glitches .Yet my question is ( sorry if I am repeating myself ) , what's the latest OSX that Paris can run within ? then to check if it is "Hackintoshable" or not .
Yasser
The plugin issue is probably what's going to eventually drive me to another DAW. Paris won't run in OS 10 (I'm a Mac guy) and none of the new plugins run in OS 9 anymore. Paris also doesn't have latency compensation for plugins so offline editing for automation is a challenge.
I feel your pain. I'm a long time Mac user too. But for the reasons you cite (plugins being up to date, latency compensation etc) I'm switching to PC running XP. This will at least improve things considerably. Delay compensation is available on PC through the Senderella plugin that Dimitrios has found, and most of the latest plugs (Waves, UAD, Firewire based units like Liquid Mix) will run with the correct wrappers.
Send a note to Mike Audet. Apparently there are a bunch of Mac guys with MacPros
booting into XP to run Paris with an expansion chassis. As it turns out, the new Windows box I'm getting will have PCI slots for my EDS cards, and PCIe slots for UAD 2.
Having said this, if you just can't bring yourself to move to PC, try the new Harrison Mixbus. It is the best ITB solution I've used to date and since it's used together with Ardour (open source Linux) it is Mac only...
Regards
TedYep - PARIS on the Mac was never released for OSX. The last Mac OS the PARIS app was released for was 9.2.2.
If I recall correctly (and please, anyone who can correct my recollections please chime in): after the PARIS venture folded, Edmund Pirali was quoted as saying quite explicitly (in paraphrase) that "if you build OSX drivers, I'll give you a version of PARIS that runs on OSX". It might just be my interpretation, but I could look at the confidence with which that was phrased and imagine that he'd either already had an OSX port of the app by that time or that he was completely confident it was do-able quick. Edmund is a stone Mac user - you can find him active on Apple's forums to this day - so it's not hard to imagine him looking ahead to that.
And there's the rub. Although the app was ID's job, as far as I know the underlying drivers for PARIS weren't - they were Emu/Ensoniq's (I'd imagine that's why the PARIS community got them in the code package Chuck negotiated from Emu). And no OSX drivers = PARIS OSX app not usable.
Folks in the community did pursue OSX Core Audio drivers; things were looking pretty hopeful for a while - parts of the drivers could be ported from what we have (I believe Doug said he ported the PSCL to Mac OSX easily enough). I don't want to trivialize the amount of work it would have required (audio on OSX can be a real drag) but it really just boiled down to man-hours of effort. If enough of those could have been thrown at it, it would have been long since done. But the effort was abandoned before it hit the point where it was worth asking Edmund to redeem the pledge for the OSX version of the app (since it would have done nothing without drivers).
Eventually Macs moved on to ditch PCI slots and embrace first PCIx and then PCIe. The PARIS cards wouldn't have worked in the new slots (although ironically the VirtuaVia chassis which eventually came along would likely have kept PARIS in the Mac game) - and that was pretty much that.
If someone, some day, is crazy and passionate enough to take on the job of writing or procuring OSX drivers for PARIS, I'll take on the job of pursuing that pledge with ID. It's certainly not any further out of the realm of possibility than any of the other things we've achieved this year; as mentioned, there might already be a port in a junk drawer somewhere; they're seriously dialled on OSX audio; and it might just be *fun*. But until and unless the community tackles the drivers, on our own, as our own initiative, PARIS Mac will remain forever frozen at OS 9.2.2.Wow - I forgot about this thread. Those splash screens look great - do you mind if I put them into the Wiki?
Heh, that Scotch I had during the tour was back at home on a night off. On the easiest of gigs nowadays I find as little as a single beer makes me fatigue more easily than in my youth (that bass ain't getting any lighter as the years go by).
But it was way out of the question on this gig which was particularly "heads-up". I was playing bass with the Canadian Tenors (that's me on bass in the upper RH corner of some of these pix). The job included occasionally being a "loaner" rhythm section to guest artists - sometimes pretty much sight-reading the charts of guest artists (plus revised-for-broadcast versions of our own material, marked up with Stickies, including new Christmas material) while recording TV shows syndicated to 22 countries.
So - heh, no, there were no drinkies for the bassist until the copious opportunities for publicly falling on my face were safely behind me
Hi Kerry,
Happy New Year!!! All the best for 2010!
You're more than welcome to share the bitmaps. They were made for anyone who would enjoy them. I'm going to work on more after a couple of studio projects are completed.
Sound like the gigs are interesting. Yeah...so...the skaters looked nice in their pretty costumes and the tenors sang well, but where's all the attention that the bassist deserved? It's a thankless life sometimes. That's great about the syndicated shows, and thank goodness for Stickies!
Continued success with all your musical adventures.
Jon
I'm working on masking off the components on the PARIS bitmaps. It should make it easier to skin, from around 100 hours per set, to between 6-10 hours per set. It is very tedious but once it is done it is done. Here are some examples of what can be done.
More info later...
Just - wow, Jim. This is going to make skinning PARIS so much easier - good for you for going to this effort! Some of those are really stunning.
I'm going to update the wallpapers this week too, time to get the "PARIS 2009" thing updated .Very cool Most Excellent!how about running osx , and then a virtual winxp session from within osx
or just having a hackintosh and you can also boot into xp . have one ssd for osx and another for xp paris etcJust wondering.
ChuckDidn't you just post?
The most recent thread before this is Jim Drago's yesterday; he's cutting PARIS skinning time by 90% by making "masks" for the PARIS graphics; he's got some killer new "looks" there.
The most recent post before yours was Mike Bloomer's response around ten thirty last night (oops - nope, it was Rokuez a bit after 1 AM).
It's a bit confusing but it's not really too different than the NG format - threads vs posts etc. You ever beat that problem with tree view?
I've been struggling to figure out the ins and outs of php and MySQL; I finally got the Wiki software up to date but I may need to enlist outside aid to get the old NG posts cleaned up, some of the old attached files are causing problems with upgrading. I want to get on it though - FUDforum 3.0 is a wicked upgrade.I still pop in daily YupI posted quite a bit in the classifieds this month, does that count?
Now that I've got the notification thing figured out, I can keep up on Paris things a bit more. Only if you're selling me ADAT cards cheap I still read it every day. rarely post manly becuse I have to log in and I'm lazy.
We lost a large % when the old news group died.
I did notice a steady but slow rise in posting.
I'm real glad this site is here.
I still only recoded/Mix in Paris, but want to add a radar rig for tracking.
kerryg wrote on Sun, 03 January 2010 14:46
Only if you're selling me ADAT cards cheap
Ha! You'll get muh adat cards when you pry 'em from muh cold dead hands..
Which reminds me that I've got even more digital routing headaches now.. I've decided to move to Logic Native from Logic TDM since dingydesign has dropped TDM support in Logic and DP.
This means that I can now only use 8 outs with digi core audio for Logic native, so I'm trying to get adat/tdif and aes/ebu cards for my console, now that I can't use my digital 192 and adat bridge..
It never really ends, does it? Yup, check just about everyday. I have been using an ADAT fiber optic line into Paris to get 8 in benefits.
I get an annoying signal clip now and then, say every 4 -5 minutes.
Wondering if any one can suggest a cause or remedy.
I am also looking to buy the proper 8 in 8 out gear to enhance my rig and looking for file conversion utilites so files can be shared with Digital Performer and Pro Tools.
Thanks for any insights or leads.
-CraigHm. Couple of questions -
1) Who's the master clock? PARIS? What's the other device? Can you reassign the master device?
2) Are your digital connections all one way, or bi-directional? If the latter, are all optical cables the same length?
PS: moved the thread into "Main" to get you more eyes on a resolution. You might want to repost the "wanted" part in "Classifieds". As to the utilities - this thread will be useful, but I'd strongly recommend checking out Reaper as your general "PARIS to everything" Swiss Army Knife for a whole bunch of reasons, some still developingDoes seem like Paris has migrated a bit North doesn't it?I just noticed. I don't think I've seen this many maple leaves off the ice in a long time. Is the Maple Leaf the default icon or is everyone really from Canada heh, we have a *really* surprising distribution of users. We Canadians just have nothing to do at the moment because there's no hockey to watch
Lots of Americans and Canadians - well, we knew that of course, and also lots of folks like Erling in Norway and Martin in Oz - but I always get some surprises on the members page.
You'll start with 24 pages of users (lot of duplicates though) sorted by join date. Click at the top of the "flag" column to re-sort the member list by nation. There's tons of blanks at the beginning - the "IP to flag" function doesn't work on the ones brought in fron the NG, they're all 121.0.0.1 - but around P. 20 the flags start, those are the nicks who've logged in to the forums since it started.
We have some real surprises, some pretty exotic for us Norteamericanos - representatives from Egypt, Brazil, Greenland, Serbia, Finland, Portugal, Italy - good sized contingents from Croatia, Norway, France... pretty cool to browse. Viva PARIS!
I like the '60s Riviera Console look of the one 2nd line, 5th in.
Looking forward to running Paris on a PC, so I can use these things!
Thanks
Faves here were 4th and then 2nd on the bottom row myself - the "brushed bronze" look really does it for me.Hi folks. I started some research into the history of PARIS when I started the Wiki; that soon got overtaken by more practical concerns (like the Bugs/Troubleshooting page). But I've put up the beginnings of a PARIS timeline at the Wiki, and if anyone has anything they want to suggest should be included, go ahead and post it in thread here. If anyone's got an idea of Chuck's original NG's start and stop dates, I definitely want to include them too.
I've also stuck a few upcoming 10th anniversary dates in (I do think "10 years after discontinuation" is definitely something one should celebrate) - and yes, we are getting that old .Hi,
Yes it is the same...
Freeform is the best way to mix for me !!
With your method you have to use a second audio track playing , with freeform though there is only one audio track playing...
Regards,
DimitriosHi,
Great work !!
I like the fourth and fifth second row !!!
When will these be available ??
Regards,
DimitriosI tend to like mixed themes for greater visibility. I like the look of the buttons quite a bit. 1 and 5 are my favorites but the colors are also cool...
MBPerhaps I don't understand Freeform. I usually only engage it to track. My system is apart right now, waiting to build a new setup, but when there's a combo of Rendered and "straight" tracks on the playing field, one or other of those types gets bumped from the playing field when switching back to standard mode, correct?
Sorry I can't remember without it in front of me...
Ted
We're getting old.
Sigh.I read almost every day, but only post once in a while. Have gotten quite a bit of help migrating to XP from OS9 here.Hi all, thanks for the input. I will be getting the brushed bronze look to Kerry to try shortly, I currently don't have a PARIS rig to test on and I hate dancing buttons. After that the leather look as time permits. There's turned out to be between 8-10 hours of work as I expected.
Mike B #1 is very close to a skin I already have on the WIKI so it is available now with only slight differences.
Stay tuned...JimStill here too, I never post but do drop by 3-4 times a week.old(er) not old
sheesh
speaking of the good old days I must admit I do miss the old general NG and sparring over global warming and God etc.
oh well
Don't forget the screen shots Kerry
dnafe wrote on Tue, 05 January 2010 11:26
old(er) not old
sheesh
OK, amendment adopted as suggested - "yes, we are getting that old(er)"
check your PM's KerryGreat work, keep em coming!Thanks Jim,
I already have the black one and like it quite a bit. BTW If you need someone to help test the skins on a Paris rig I have quite a bit of experience skinning and some spare time these days.....
Mike
kerryg wrote on Mon, 04 January 2010 17:19
heh, we have a *really* surprising distribution of users. We Canadians just have nothing to do at the moment because there's no hockey to watch
Lots of Americans and Canadians - well, we knew that of course, and also lots of folks like Erling in Norway and Martin in Oz - but I always get some surprises on the members page.
Quite a few Eastern European Paris users I've noticed. Europe has good taste in audio gear with all the Paris and Logic users over there..
KG, I sent you an email.. need some advice on a bass amp when you get a minute. Thanks! Thanks Mike. What program do you use? I use PS CS2I have CS.
MikeKerry,
The first two revs of Adobe Audition manage 16 & 24 bit pafs. I fly project tracks to the adobe computer, process and return to the original project time aligned.
GeoJust to let everyone know the brushed bronze BMPs have been sent to Kerry to test. Once I have all button placements correct they will be made available...sorry for the late reply, yup, was in california for 2 weeks and just got back.
try #3 and substantially shorter...yes.if i was older on tuesday what the hell am i now, not yet dead? how about we're just gestating to our final rebirth?Hmmm... why does that sound so familiar?
[I have this image in my head of that 1999 "Editor's Choice" Award as the obelisk...]I was very frustrated tonite and art sometimes gets my mind off things so I put this Big EQ together..If anyone wants the BMP you're welcome to it, just remember I don't have a PARIS system right now so I can only hope the buttons don't dance. Hopefully the BMP file loads so it is available, I'll know in a minute. OK now the only question is is this downloadable? If not some one will have to tell me how to do that..
cuz delusion and illusion have become our bff's.Here's a wallpaper if anyone is interested...
Hi guys, I am planning a new DAW build for my 3 card PARIS sys. I am upgrading from a P4 2.8 and looking for a good cross between performance, value, quietness and compatibility with our old friend PARIS (using Mike's multi core driver of course).
Is there anything I am missing that would improve my performance/value ratio while still keeping the 4PCI mobo?
Thanks in advance
Robert
PS: Contact me privately if preferred.
mani1147athotmaildotcom
I'm sorry that I haven't had much to report for a while. Life conspired to keep me away from PARIS code for a while, but that has changed recently.
I've been very hard at work on a Windows 7 64 bit driver for PARIS. The first step was re-reading the first 400 pages of my driver book to get back up to speed on things. Then, the first hurdle was getting the scherzo to compile. Initially, it didn't. I got it compile, and then I needed to get it to install on Windows 7 64. There were differences in the inf format. I got passed that, and it installed. But, then, it blue screened Windows on start up. I tracked that down to a change in the way Windows 7 handles text in drivers, and the system loaded. But, then, when PARIS launched, it blue screened the system. I tracked that down to the fact that Microsoft banned the method the Paris driver uses to expose the hardware to the PARIS app starting with Windows 2003 server. I researched and read and read, and found another way to expose the hardware. Now, it doesn't blue screen, but the driver still isn't finished.
It's looking good, but it all depends on how well the alternate way of exposing the hardware works. I still have to do the thunking (converting calls from 32 bit contexts), but that should be pretty straightforward. I'm totally excited about getting PARIS running on 64 bit windows.
I've been working on some other things, too, and home to have an announcement soon. It's nothing huge, but it's taken a fair bit of time.
I've also worked with Kerry tracking down why Mac PAFs don't work in PC apps that support PAF. I think it's lead to an approach that will get me over the hump on enabling 24 bit support in ASIO driver. I've got the latency down to 10 milliseconds in the ASIO driver, but I got completely stuck trying to get 24 bits to pass. The result was just complete noise, but I may have a fix now.
I've certainly not abandoned PARIS by any means. last year, I was teaching high school, and I had no free time at all. This summer, I got married and decided to change careers. I'm doing freelance programming now, but that change meant I had to study php, javascript, css, visual basic, etc., in order to be flexible enough to take the work that is out there. That took up a lot of time.
I also started on a computer science degree this fall, and my first class was discreet mathematics, and that took a lot more time than I thought it would, but it went well, and I learned a lot.
I'm still here, and still committed. I hope that everyone here is making great music with their PARIS systems (I know Tom Guerra and Ted Gerber are - holy crap! Everyone should buy their CDs), even if new software has been slow coming. I think we have one killer system as it is, and it's only going to get better as time goes by.
I hope this update restores some faith if people thought we were done developing PARIS. Development continues.
Best wishes to all.
Mike
Thanks for your hard work Mike. Hope all is well with you..Wow Mike, that is great news, thanks for keeping up development and a big congrates on your wedding.
PS: If you need beta testers on windows 7, I plan to setup a dual boot XP/7 in my new box in late January. I have a 3 card, 3 C16, 2 Mec (with ADATs and 8ins/8outs)system.
Rob_A heheheheh... surpriiiiise!
The old girl's still got a few of those up her sleeve, huh?
Wait til they hear the other part, Mike You just got the nagging issues in XP sorted out - by any sane metric we should be expecting Vista drivers somewhere in 2014, yet suddenly we're leapfrogging Vista (oh boy, isn't that a relief to hear) and gone straight to attacking Windows 7. Man, what a nice thing to contemplate. Let's hope the investigations go well.
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I've also worked with Kerry tracking down why Mac PAFs don't work in PC apps that support PAF. I think it's lead to an approach that will get me over the hump on enabling 24 bit support in ASIO driver. I've got the latency down to 10 milliseconds in the ASIO driver, but I got completely stuck trying to get 24 bits to pass. The result was just complete noise, but I may have a fix now.
Yep - and I should spotlight this key concept Mike's touching on by implication here - there's un-dramatic but essential work necessary to fill crucial gaps in our (read: "the community's") understanding of how PARIS "thinks".
Without that sort of understanding, stuff that gets done in PARIS development will forever be partial, or marred by puzzling, frustrating, inexplicable "gotchas" like those that have hampered a significant amount of forward motion - including such comparatively recent stuff like the Reaper wrapper. It means living with half-baked solutions like Mike releasing his ASIO drivers without 24-bit support - but it doesn't have to be that way.
So although it's not very glamorous, and can definitely give the impression that "not much is going on" while deeper understanding is sought, this is essential work Mike's doing.This is HUGE news for me. As time marches onward having you guys on the case to keep PARIS alive in '10 is a big deal to me. I have, as some of you may know, a duty as a network and systems administrator to push ever forward on my system for security reasons. I cannot thank you enough for keeping things moving in step with current systems.
Thank you so much Mike!
Aaron AllenThe SSD you're gonna love, if you don't go cheap on it. There is still a lot not known about how they 'really' perform, but my imation has been great (though it was over $400 for 120GB) so far in my tablet PC. Side benefit, battery life went WAY up on it, so it very obviously pulls less juice.
Be cautious of that much RAM because XP is a 32 bit OS... you'll probably at best be caching 3.5 GB of that 4 GB RAM and I've seen results that actually degrade the performance of the machine trying to deal with the 1/2 GB it can't deal with. For now, I would peel back the RAM to 3 GB or less to be sure.
i7 is the better processor. i5 is the cheap seats/celeron kinda CPU. Don't see how you can make a wrong turn on that decision. The Raptor is a great drive with great throughput.
IIRC, PCI spec 2.2 and newer are the ones that changed the voltage. The 'keying' slot will be backwards in the pics of the mobo. Some guys, also IIRC, have gotten around this by using a magma or SBS expansion with a univerally keyed PCI card in the host computer.
Aaron AllenIt's all Mike - you should have seen the expression on my face when he casually dropped that one on me. Keep the VirtuaVia in mind too for an expansion chassis at a much lower price point. Several users including TC got them to put their EDS cards in, and so far no complaints reported.If I haven't said it before I'll say it now
Totally Fucking Awesome!
Mike I also want to say that even though I am not a power user, ALL of the work you are doing is huge..
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I've been working on some other things, too, and home to have an announcement soon. It's nothing huge, but it's taken a fair bit of time.
The work I do skinning is not huge...it isn't needed to keep PARIS alive...Yours is.When your own contributions make people say things like this, Jim - you gotta know you're doing something important in its own right.
And there'll be more on skinning very shortly - I can't wait to show folks the brushed bronze (as mentioned, I need to do a better screencap than that last one I did).mike, you da man.Kerry thank you for the kind words. I hope it didn't sound like I was fishing I was just making an honest appraisal of the different levels of importance and true value of the different development that is taking place. In our society we don't prioritize correctly at all. For example when a baseball player makes more each time he goes to bat whether he gets a hit or strikes out than I as a teacher make in 5 years; priorities are whacky.
When I am sitting in front of PARIS my skins are much less tiring to my eyes, that has value. But what you and Mike are contributing is on a whole different level of value. SSC's art was beautiful but without what you guys are doing the day was quickly approaching that there wouldn't be machines to make it visible.
Keep up the hard work...and thanks again to both Mike and you..
Now there's more politics on this site. AHHH like old timesl
I also want to add an apology to the Mac people among us. I ran on a Mac for 3 years, and could never figure out how to import the new BMPs into the OS. That was one of the reasons I switched. If anyone knows how please pursue that. Here is what the mixer fader will look like
Well Kerry, I did install 2.2 today, and after about 5 minutes, I went back to 2.1. Some of the C-16 features that I use all the time just did'nt work in 2.2. In fact, with the exception of the C-16 problems, 2.2 looks exactly the same as 2.1. I seem to recall that when I did get 2.1, the old F.A.Q. site stated that the 2.1 was intended for the Black C-16,(and 2.2 for the Blue) and that seems to be true. I really should get the 3.0 at some point, as this is the majority of my income, and I owe it to myself, and my clients to offer the best that I can. Thank you very much. John Houston. Oh BTW, That pesky HD3 outfit thats been giving me crap for my inability to run @96K, just sent over a backup hard drive of one of the clients we BOTH work with (to have me remix the record cause the client likes MY sound better) and they recorded the WHOLE BLOODY THING @ 48K. So much for their HI TECH B.S.Nice.
I just might be changing the look of Paris soon
That's awesome news Mike!
Man, if only ID released the source for Paris...just image what would be possible.
Cheers
KrisThose plasma meters look beautiful - that's going to be my 2010 "look" for PARIS.Drag about 2.2 - sorry for the waste of your time, I forgot that bit of info ("hey, it must be .1 better, right?" - d'oh). I should get that info on the Wiki.
Hehe. Well, well, using 48k when they have 96k capabilities, huh?
Three possibilities spring to mind:
1) They translated it to 48k on export for you out of courtesy.
2) They advertise 96k, but (at least some of the time) they don't actually use it. It does put increased strain on a system and it's not unknown to introduce bugs and "gotchas".
3) They know you're a better mixer, and that the client was probably going to wind up having to take it to you to remix out anyway no matter what they did, so they simply planned ahead for the inevitable. Hi Kris, just curious if you have moved ahead with your DAW build yet. I am in the same boat as you, I need a new, modern box for my 3 card rig. I also like the mobo you suggested "Gigabyte GA-P55-UD3R" as it has 4 PCI slots which I need for my 3 EDS and 1 UAD. I don't see any major diff between this one and the "GA-P55-UD3L " that I am looking at, a few more USB ports, the built in audio, that's about it I think.
From what Aaron was saying regarding the PCI 2.2 spec, I found this info and it would seem both these mobos have the rite keying for EDS cards and should work, maybe someone with a bit more computer savy could confirm this.
Also I was looking at the i5 for my build but Aaron suggested going to the i7 and since it is only 100 bucks more than the i5 at newegg.ca, I think I may go this route as well.
Have you priced any of the stuff here in Canada yet?
Anyhow, I'd like to chitchat some more about this since we are basically building the same box for the same purpose.
Thanks
Rob
mani1147athotmaildotcom
Thanks so much for all your kind words, guys.
I have to say, though, that it's not me that is keeping PARIS alive. PARIS lives when anyone makes a great recording with her. And, that's something I seldom (if ever!) do. I like to think of PARIS the same way that one might think of a Tascam MS16 or some other piece of classic gear. As longs as it works, no one cares that Tascam hasn't produced one in 20 or 30 years. It just matters that it works and sounds great.
I'll do my best to keep extending PARIS as much as I can for as long as I can because I think it deserves that. And, then I get to use it.
I wish so much I had the source to the PARIS app. But, where there's life, there's hope. If it takes another 10 years for ID to decide that the source code isn't worth anything to them, I'll still be around, and so will PARIS.
Keep rockin', guys!
All the best,
MikeI also want to say thank you to Mike for his great efforts
on behalf of all of us.
cheers,
Mike Mullin
PS What do you do with you're spare time?I just got back from Mike Audet's place, having installed my 2x EDS, UAD1e and UAD2Duo into a new XP box, complete with Mike's Drivers and all the new EDS comps,
verbs, EQs etc. The new box has an i7. Seems pretty good. Haven't had any time to put it through its paces yet though.
Here's the pricing I got from a store in Toronto:
TedShould add that the Sonata case wasn't large enough for the EDS cards.
We went to a local shop where they found a suitable box in the back shed (!!!!!)
THi All,
I'm not sure what happened, but I was listening to a mix I'm working on when suddenly Paris started spitting out loud distortion. When I solo a track it sounds OK, but when not soloing I can barely hear the mix behind the loud distortion. I tried opening an earlier version of the same project and I get the same thing. I'm running 2 EDS cards in a Magma chassis with a single MEC. This same system has been working well for quite a while.
Is it an EDS card gone bad???
Thanks for any help you can offer.
ronNow an update--If I turn off submix 2 the distortion stops.
It's looking like my card B is going bad.
I'm going to try some trouble shooting to see what happens.
RonLet's start with the small first - if that was happening to me, the two first things I'd tick off are bad plugins or corrupted submixes.
1) remove all VST plugins, save PPJ under a new name, quit and restart PARIS; check if problem persists
2) audio files can get corrupted (doesn't seem to happen much nowadays, but this thing's old). Force PARIS to rebuild a possibly corrupted rendered submix using Edmund's old method -
- Open audio window, clear all the light colored submix files,
- Create a new folder, set the record path to it,
- Save the project.
80% of the time I've had weirdness it's either a corrupted audio file or a plugin.
PS: you should be able to check that EDS card pretty easily by opening a different project and seeing if it plays back fine.I only used EDS plugins on that submix. I've removed them all and still have the same problem.
I also removed all the files from the playing field of submix 2. when I played with files removed from I got no distortion--submix 1 sounds fine, and submix 2 is silent (no files). Then I added back to submix 2 one of the files which is working fine in submix one. When I play back I get the distoriton again. So the distortion seems to occur when ANY file is being played in submix 2 even with no effects.If you move everything to Submix 3 and reassign it to the same EDS card Submix 2 was assigned to, does the problem follow it?
Yes, the problem moves to another submix if card be is assigned to that submix.
Looks like EDS card to me. Do they go bad like that?...just start distorting?We all know Stephen hand-painted the BMPs in the PARIS app. I seem to recall the program he used to paint them was mentioned here once upon a time; if so, does anyone remember offhand what it was? Jim and I are troubleshooting an old skinning issue, and that tidbit might help provide clues.my daughters tumor is growing again...and of course she was ignoring the signs for the last year and said nothing. so does anybody know just how hard you have to hit someone to slap the stupid out of them? i really need to know.A big wind up followed through by a huge hug
Sending out a pile of healing vibes her wayTry re-seating the ribbon cables that connect your EDS-1000's together. Perhaps the clock signal isn't making it to the slave card.
Cheers
KrisSo sorry to hear that RickThat was my last hope as well....and it worked!!
Thanks,
RonHi I have Paris 3.0
How do I transfer the license if someone wants to buy the software from me?Praying for your daughter Rick. What's her name and how old, if you don't mind sharing...JimI'm a Dad myself and I can't imagine what that must be like, Rick. Peace to you, healing wishes to her - and courage to the both of you.Great to hear! So what are we guessing it was that loosened the connection - vibration? Oxidization on the connectors? Whichever way, I'll wiki it for the next person that runs into it.I don't know how it's supposed to be done properly, but when I've done it myself it was via two emails. Seller notifies ID via email that they're selling/transferring their license (and deleting it from their own HD) and who to. The purchaser then contacts ID via email and lets them know they've bought the license, and who from. ID updates their database. After that, the purchaser boots 3.0, gets the challenge code offered to them at first boot, and emails it in to ID who then sends the appropriate response code.
Without the response code being entered the PARIS 3.0 app goes into a seven day demo period and then expires. So you might want to remind your purchaser not to boot 3.0 until they're ready to get the challenge/response underway.
I seem to recall ID sets one day per week aside for maintaining PARIS licenses. Your purchaser probably won't want to get caught with an expired 3.0 demo with no code and projects saved in 3.0 format (which aren't backwards compatible) so they'd probably be best to boot it and get the challenge code at the beginning of the week. If all goes well they should have the response code from ID well before the demo period expires. thanks guys.
her name is dawn and she turns 43 on the 19th. unfortunately the last time it reactivated she again waited too long for the gamma knife to be used, so a more general radiation blast to the head was used. having done that it is now most likely that it is now out as an option. i don't know if the gamma knife is off the table and we won't know if invasive surgery (would be her 3rd)is viable until she meets with her doctor on tuesday.Problems often melt away with enough sunlight on them, so here's a riddle for the community coders.
XN Resource Editor is the application we use to install the skins that Jim Drago, Mike Yanoska and others build for PARIS. A small issue blocks more complete skin work - certain images make PARIS crash if replaced or altered.
Whole sections can be freely altered, but It only takes a trivial alteration in certain areas to provoke a crash. Try this experiment yourself if you're curious:
1) Make a copy of your paris.exe.
2) Download and boot up XN Resource Editor.
3) From inside XN Resource Editor, navigate to the copy of the paris.exe you made and open it.
4) In "PICT" resources you'll find one called MIXER. Take the pencil tool and draw a visible mark in a specific place, shown below (it can be as little as a single pixel, but a bit larger is better for the purpose of visibility of the results).
5) Save the app. Quit XN Resource Editor.
6) Boot PARIS from the altered .exe. Open a Mixer window; you should see your "graffiti" mark displayed above the Auxes. Now - close the mixer window.
PARIS should now quit with ***ASSERTION FAILED: aPalettes.c:317 palette!=NULL.
Questions to those who are code-savvy (I am not, I'm just a layman who isn't afraid to ask stupid questions): why? What changes - palette? Header? File size? DPI (the 8-bit original is an unusual "86 DPI")?
Finding a solution to this will help people skinning PARIS take the work further. Perhaps it's a matter of opening the changed graphic in a hex editor and altering the header/palette to match the original in some way? There are some real talents here in the community; insights gratefully received.
Thanks!
Kerry, I thought of a new test..
Open XN
Open a COPY of PARIS EXE
Open MIXER BMP
Change nothing and do a Save As, give it the same name and save it to the same place so it simply overwrites itself. Nothing has changed except a saving process.
Start app and test for error.
If the error occurs it has to be because of some renaming in the header info that the newer OS adds or eliminates. It seems to me anyway.
Anyone please chime in and brainstorm with us. Hours have been spent for years trying to work around this.
Another thing worth considering, before 3.0 this BMP provided all of the pieces for the user interface. In 3.0 5 different BMPS provide the artwork. This BMP was very important to the original app, now except for the hashmarks on the knobs and the blanks above the Master and Global sections none of it seems to be used.
Another thought if anyone has a computer running PARIS with Windows 95 or 98 could you run Kerry's test. This might address any renaming the newer OS is doing.
Well, almost ready to hit the old submit button on the order.
Man I hate the feeling of "The Unknown" whenever my wallet is concerned...!
I know I'll have to mode the case a bit to fit the EDSs in there but the main issue is the compatibility of the UD3L mobo with the EDS cards. well my bad on this. it's not my daughter that needs the stupid slapped out of their heads, it's the doctors. i appears that they collectively have been attributing all her symptoms to anything other than the obvious which they are all aware.Couldn't follow those instructions 100%, but close enough:
- opened the app in XN Resource Editor
- saved it under a different name
- found the graphic
- selected all, cut
- pasted it back in on top of itself
- saved
Sure enough - same error.
So - what have we learned? Maybe something important - maybe that this old problem might not necessarily lie in PARIS after all, but in something XN Resource Editor (or the clipboard itself) does to the 8 bit BMP?
If so, the reason this anomaly showed up when we were editing that particular graphic would be because it's one of the few areas in the app that necessitates editing one of the older 8-bit BMPs that remained in the app at time of discontinuation (the others had already been updated to 24-bit). After a while, folks just learned what to avoid touching - the ADAT, EDITOR, MIXER and ADAT bmps. Folks who have done skinning - does that sound about right?
If that's the case, that'd be a pretty cool realization, since we don't have the source code to PARIS but we do actually have access to the source code of XN Resource Editor; it's right here.Correct but I believe the only BMP that triggers the error is the MIXER BMP. Any other original would have to be tested also.
Did you get the article I sent which discusses how BMP headers have changed? If not here it is again
I couldn't follow most of it because I don't understand code speak. But it definately insinuates that BMP header info has changed since earlier OS's.
I think it might be just that simple, that in order to work the BMP's header info has to be edited to match the old requirements. That the app looks for something in the header of that BMP even though for the most part it is not even used anymore. Any one please feel free to correct me as this code stuff is not my thing.
An interesting thing to see is if the MIXER BMPs code info is the same between the original and the original after it has been resaved either through XN or some other program. I don't know if it happens at XN or at the program it is changed in or either. From your above test I think it is just ANY saving in a newer OS.
How do you open the code of a BMP. Sorry but I know nothing about this area.
If the code could be compared between the original BMP and one that had been resaved I'm sure an anomaly between the 2 will appear.I found this
general
the bmp file has been created by microsoft and ibm and is therefor very strictly bound to the architecture of the main hardware platform that both companies support: the ibm compatible pc. this means that all values stored in the bmp file are in the intel format, sometimes also called the little endian format because of the byte order that an intel processor uses internally to store values.
the bmp files are the way, windows stores bit mapped images. the bmp image data is bit packed but every line must end on a dword boundary - if that苨 not the case, it must be padded with zeroes. bmp files are stored bottom-up, that means that the first scan line is the bottom line.
the bmp format has four incarnations, two under windows (new and old) and two under os/2, all are described here.
That leads me to believe herein lies the possible problem and solutionThat could lead to unpleasant surprises. Brutal. Thanks, I'll wiki it.The drive carriages on the Sonata case will have to cut back...
Ted
Hi Ted, yea that's what I'm planning on, cutting the 3 bottom bays out and leaving the 2 top ones, as long as I can fit an OS and a DATA drive in there, I should be ok.
Rob_AIt didn't look oxidized, I think it just vibrated loose. It's been working several days now so I think it's OK.Ah well. Annoying, I know; still, could have been worse - at least there was a free fix.Maybe this has already been documented but here it goes anyway.
When you copy an entire project folder (ppj and paf files) to a new location, then open it and select unused files in the audio bin and do a "delete unused files" Paris will delete the files in the original folder you copied from, not your newly created folder....go figure.
Things I have tried so far:
Setting new rec path in copied folder
Saving copied ppj project under new name
Rob_A Let me know how it goes. I still have mine, and maybe I'll switch things back into it... I seem to remember there was a wrapper for UAD-1 which preserved the UAD presets...is this correct. I installed the FxPansion wrapper 3.1 which I had purchased a long time ago but the UAD plug-ins were missing their presets. Is there another wrapper which works with them?
Thanks,
RonI am trying to understand the chart in Wiki which gives latency for UAD-1 plugs. It seems to say that in order to correct for a single UAD-1 non-Pultec plug-in it is required to "nudge" 4 x 100ms and then add 1536 samples using sample slide. But this gives nowhere near the right correction. It seems to be close at 4700 samples, but this doesn't match the Wiki numbers at all.
Am I misunderstanding the chart or what's up?
Thanks,
ron I'm not a UAD user, so those numbers are pretty much blind transcription on my part. Those seem to be the values I received, and Deej is pretty meticulous.
But I do believe the latencies changed with one of the revisions of the UAD drivers - any UAD users out there want to comment? I'd like to get more UAD info up on the Wiki, particularly since UAD-1s are so dirt cheap nowadays.If you're on UAD version 5 or higher, the latency times for your system are listed on the UAD meter - 1st page of the drop down system info menu. On my system it's 172 ms per plugin. The problem is that the Paris ms nudge and slide button values aren't actually what they say they are. I believe the Wiki has the correct listing. As far as Doug Joyce's UAD latency values, I think they were specific to his system, and not universally applicable.
TedMy UAD loads the VST presets in separate folders, but not in a drop down menu from the plugin gui itself. Some programs do that, others don't. Logic and Mixbus on Mac do. Peak on Mac doesn't. Reaper and Paris on PC don't seem to. I'm using FFX4 wrapper (I think - new system to me, and I'm not in front of it right now...)
Ted
That is very helpful. I can get the exact correction using sampleslide.
Thanks you much,
RonHi Folks,
I'm one of the oldest PARISsaurs (I bought my 3 card 2 MEC system as soon as Ensoniq released them), so it was my greatest Christmas present to discover this forum and learn about Mike's new Xp driver.
I'm in the middle of putting my new studio together and the new drivers will make it possible to revitalize my good old PARIS gear, so I even bought a 4th EDS card from Jason Miles (old PARISiens must remember him).
I'd like to ask for your input before choosing the computer:
Should the new driver work on a 12 core dual CPU Opteron system under Xp SP2 and Win7 32? The 4 cards will be in a VirtuaVia (Magma-like) expansion chassis.
I'd appreciate the feedback from anyone who has an experience with AMD based dual CPU setups.
Thanks,
EndreHey Ron, just a reminder that Faderworks is an amazing latency management app for using UAD in Paris or any other daw that does not have auto latency comp. Bought it last year and am very impressed with it.
Rob_A
Hey Rob -
Thanks for the link, since I have _just_ migrated to XP, and have a new assortment of
plugs, finding out about this was the next item on my list. I'll probably post back asking about any gotchas or optimum set ups for Paris.
Ted
Hey Endre, welcome! Glad you found the place... As far as the choice of OS, Mike's multicore drivers work great under XP SP2; work on Win7 64-bit drivers was just announced last week (startling most of us, I'm sure) in this thread.
Getting a decade-old app like PARIS to boot in Win7 (a few generations of OS later than it was designed for) without bluescreening is quite a feat already, and Mike's cautiously optimistic. If there are no hidden show-stoppers I've got no doubt that his Win7 drivers would be up to the same standards as his XP drivers have been, but for now Win7 drivers are "one step at a time, no guarantees" and planning for a dual boot system (as it seems you're doing) is the safe bet.
The VirtuaVia stuff is tested and running great with PARIS (simpler than Magma, since there are no drivers to worry about).
As for the computer itself, the multicore drivers are new enough that we don't have a lot of data yet. Mike's observed that chipsets don't seem to matter to PARIS but they do seem to matter for expansion chassis; NVidia seems to have much better track counts and fewer problems than AMD.Hey folks - remember the original demo app for PARIS, long before 3.0 and "seven day demo" mode? The one that had no copy protection, and would boot without the PARIS hardware, it just passed no audio? Anybody got a copy or know where one might be found?
Thanks!Hi there, i'm new here, and new PARIS user
I recently bought some parts online to build a PARIS rig. A C16, a 442 interface, and an EDS500 card. Can i run version 2.2 or 3.0 on this system? It came with no software that's the reason i'm asking.
Do i need anything else to get this up and running?
I had a few more questions, but can't remember right now. I've had a long day today.
I'm pretty sure i'll remember them later on. Anyways
thanks,
jimmyThanks for the positive reply, it seems that I can proceed the way I originally planned.
kerryg wrote
... planning for a dual boot system (as it seems you're doing) is the safe bet.
Yes, I'll definitely make a dual boot system and not just for the sake of PARIS. There are so many drivers and apps, which haven't been confirmed to be Win7 compatible.
kerryg wrote
Mike's observed that chipsets don't seem to matter to PARIS but they do seem to matter for expansion chassis; NVidia seems to have much better track counts and fewer problems than AMD.
Luckily, the mobo I chose is an ASUS KFSN5-D/IST with an nVidia nForce Pro 3600 chipset, so I hope it will work for me, too.
kerryg wrote
As for the computer itself, the multicore drivers are new enough that we don't have a lot of data yet.
I'll let you know my experiences with this setup.
Endre
Hi there - you should be good to go with those parts (an EDS-500 is the EDS card without the DSP FX) plus some software you can download free - PARIS 2.2 and some drivers etc. Let us know what computer and OS you'll be installing it on and we can give you more detailed info. And welcome to PARIS Please do post your experiences, that would be very useful; our future plans include building a database so we can answer questions like this with more confidence.
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There are so many drivers and apps, which haven't been confirmed to be Win7 compatible.
I think the irony of PARIS suddenly becoming "leading edge" is something we'll all enjoy hi,
thanks for the welcome
i downloaded paris 2.2 from the parisfaqs website
i will be running it on windows xp
since the macs that i have run os x and not os9
i do have one old single core amd xp box. that's where i'm thinking on installing it at the moment. just been busy lately
if the win7 drivers get completed succesfully in the future then i will be getting those and then move the paris stuff to a new box.
with the eds500 i will have to run all the plugs on the cpu then right?
regarding the eds card, can i use a 500 and a 1000 together if i decide to purchase a 1000 later on?
thanks again
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regarding the eds card, can i use a 500 and a 1000 together if i decide to purchase a 1000 later on?
Yes. Getting an EDS1000 should be a very high priority for the following reason:
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with the eds500 i will have to run all the plugs on the cpu then right?
You can run VST and DX plugins, with limitations - they can only be inserted on channel strips (they can't be used on auxes) and you have to be selective about which ones you run - development on the VST/DX subsystems is fixed in time at 2001 technology. EDS 500s can't run EDS FX at all AFAIK.
gotcha
then an eds1000 will be my next purchase then at the moment.
thanks kerryHi Everyone,
Just curious about how folks are structuring their projects to work within the 16 channel per submix limit in Paris.
In particular, I'm curious about how you generally group instruments (e.g. do you have a lead vocal sumbimx, BGV submix, drums submix, etc...)?
-How many blank tracks do you leave yourself in case you want to split up tracks and do separate processing?
-How do you manage the fact that the aux busses are not linked between the submixes? Do you use this as an advantage? Do you have a workaround (Senderella, or fancy patching)?
Cheers
KrisJust curious if anyone has tried using Paris' midi function to control the mini-mixer using Analog-X's code. It seems to me like it might be a way to get aux send automation; a feature I really wish Paris had.
Cheers
KrisAs I'm running 2 EDS cards - one card - Submix 1 - will usually have Drums & Bass and possibly a rhythm Keyboard or two with at least 2 track left open for dynamic treatment of the drums
On my second EDS - Submix 2 - I run guitars and vocals with at least 4 tracks for dynamic processing of guitar tracks or BG vocals
If I have a heavy track load I will put the remaining tracks on my second rig and run them through Reaper flying a 2 or 4 buss from reaper back in real time into two or four open tracks in Paris...usually in Submix 2 when possible
I try with a passion to stay away from virtual submixes, to me they are just a PITA...that being said prior to acquiring a second rig I used to put as many of the the bed rhythm tracks on a submix and virtually mix them when need be.
another question.
can i lock paris through midi clock or mtc to pt8 m powered
i also run m powered and would like to have them synced if possible
i noticed there are no midi ports in the 442
if not its ok.
thanksHi Kris, here is my setup/work flow; I've been using Paris since 2000 and just last year, started splitting up the load between the 3 cards and with virtual desktop, I love it. Sub#1, all vocals, and project guide tracks, click etc. Sub#2, all pads, guitars, synths, stringed instruments etc, Sub#3 is for beds, drums, bass, percs. I use virtual desktop to switch my 3 monitors between submixs (that BT video is something else). I also use macros on a small numeric keypad at my mouse hand for Paris audio edit functions I use most. I also started using C16 views for the mixer, editor and automation windows, great time saver. Now if only I could figure out how to change the virtual desktop using the mouse scroll wheel, that would "très cool"..!!
Also, I have notice an amazing diff in Paris stability since I stopped using DX, disabled it in Paris config and setup the rig using the Dimitrios approach of chainer with FFX4.
To track, I have 2 MECs but only use one most of the time. My A MEC has 8 adat and 16 analog ins coming from the pres, I switch it to wichever submix I want to track to via the master mixer. My B MEC has 8 adat and 8 analog ins.
Thats about it, good luck.
Rob_A Well Ted, the case showed up today, now if the mobo can get here, I'll know exactly how much room I need for the EDS cards and then its lookout, the dremel is in the house...!!
Must say, its a very impressive case for the price.Yeah I ended up with an old beater from the back shed. But since it's outside my little control room, in a closet, I'm not too concerned.
Ted
Kris,
Should have my setup back up in the next month after three years in cold storage. I am fortunate ton have multiple cards so
Card (Submix)1: Master Effects only
Card (Submix)2: Vocals
Card (Submix)3: Instruments
Card (Submix)4: Drums
Card (Submix)5-8: Never used them much
I tend to run in freeform mode so haven't found the 16 tracks to be a limitation when run this way.
JHNever tried it myself, nor seen it discussed much; if you give it a shot, let us know how it works for you. V3 on WinME, WinXp & Win7
PARIS HW: MEC x 2
-ADAT Card x 1
-A8i x 2
-A8o x 2
EDS 1000 x 4
V3 on WinME, WinXp & Win7
PARIS HW:
EDS 1000 x 4
MEC x 2
-ADAT Card x 1
-A8i x 2
-A8o x 2
C16 x 2V3 on WinME, WinXp & Win7, Mike's drivers
PARIS HW:
EDS 1000 x 4
MEC x 2
-ADAT Card x 1
-A8i x 2
-A8o x 2
C16 x 2got the system up and running today.
it was easier than i thought
cloning the hard drive right now before doing anything on the machine just in case.
also ordered an eds1000, and the paris 3 software
edit: can't get any audio output no matter what i try.
i have my monitors connected to outputs 1 and 2 in the 442 interface.
i went into the patchbay and set the mixer A Master Out L to the 442 Out 1, and the Master Out R to the 442 Out 2. Is this the correct way on doing it?
also, i connected my mpc to inputs 1 and 2 on the 442 and made the appropiate connections in the patchbay, i can see the signal going in and see the fader lights go up and down.
Anything i might be missing???
Thanks for your help.
Here are some screenshots just in case Don't know if this has anything to do with your issue, but instead of Main L + R connecting to the 442's 1 and 2, try connecting mL and mR (monitor Left and Right) there instead.
"Main" is meant to be an output to a master 2-track, or a house mix; "monitor" is meant to be just that - output for you to monitor. Things like "solo" don't affect "Main" (eg you can solo a track while you're printing a mix and your "Mains" remain unaffected). I use mL+mR in the studio to hook my monitors to and L+R to feed other sources.
If that fails, eliminate the (slim) possibility of having two dead outputs by re-patching to 442's output 3 and 4. Check using your headphones too.I'll try that.
ThanksI'm afraid I'm not very knowledgeable about the 442, I've never had anything but MECs. I suppose you've already completely eliminated dead cables as a possibility?Yea, i tried a few different cables(including a new one). I even tried plugging in some headphones and no luck check your monitor level here
Also my C-16 monitor level knob sometimes causes muting.All I can think of right now is to clean the edge connectors of the EDS card with contact cleaner and re-seat it in the PCI slot (it is a decade old) and do the same for the cable connections between EDS and 442. Hopefully anyone who might have seen this behaviour before can chime in, and I'll get it Wiki'd.i made the changes in the patchbay to reflect the monitor outs instead of the main outs and also checked the monitor level and its at 11 right now, but still the same. i will try reseating the card and reconnecting all the cables again. thanks for the suggestions. i will report back later.Yikes - I missed this part completely:
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i downloaded paris 2.2 from the parisfaqs website
i will be running it on windows xp
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got the system up and running today. it was easier than i thought
Which XP drivers are you using? Just in case this wasn't made clear - you know PARIS was never intended to run on XP "out of the box" using the supplied drivers, and the XP drivers (later additions coded by the community) have to be downloaded and installed separately, right?
You can track the originals down here, or buy Mike's excellent new ones here.well, i used this site to install it on xp, also downloaded the drivers from there too
OK, just checking since that's something that wasn't explicit in the initial advice we gave you, but sounds like you did it right.What are you using for a feed. You might try enabling record on those 2 tracks.My bad I just looked back and saw that you had
I see you are in live mode. I'm not familiar with the idiosyncrasies of that. Anyone? D'oh, Jim's right, that should be checked - hit "P" to call up the project window and check to see which monitoring mode you're in.
"Record Only", for example, means it won't pass audio upon simply arming the track - you'd need to hit record on the transport after. Have you tried playing back any audio files yet, or just the input audio?I connected an mpc to it, i pressed record and tried recording, but when i hit play i still couldn't see anything. The wave drawings after recording weren't the prettiest. Lol. Are the waveforms displayed all blocky?They never get quite as "slick" as, say, Nuendo's (hey, it's a decade old ), but they should be blockier during record and then smooth out somewhat. They look passable enough in 3.0 over here - what screen resolution are you at? Maybe you should post a screenshot of the audio so we can see if it looks as expected.Kerry he is in live mode, anything there?Lol, ok. I'll try recording something and post a screenshot.
I have a question, i disabled the internal soundcard. Right now when i go to check in sounds and notifications in the control panel i get no audio hardware recognized. Is there supposed to be the ensoniq hardware listed in there? I can only see Ensoniq Midi driver in the midi section.
Thanks
Jim Drago[2
wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 15:39]Kerry he is in live mode, anything there?
Yeah I think changing to Always Monitor Input in the Project window might help.
Jim - where do you see that he's alive? I mean, that he's in "live mode"?
TLook at the record enable buttons. In standard mode they should be R. Or am I wrong...That happens all the time
Ted Gerber wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 15:52
Jim Drago[2
wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 15:39]Kerry he is in live mode, anything there?
Yeah I think changing to Always Monitor Input in the Project window might help.
Jim - where do you see that he's alive? I mean, that he's in "live mode"?
T
Ok I knew as soon as I posted, I'd figure out where the Live Mode indicator was. Been
a long time since I saw 2.2 Where is the "record enable" button on each track?
The other thing to check is to make sure that you have de-selected the record enable button after recording to a track. You won't hear what you've "printed" if that track is still armed.
TedT[/quote] Where is the "record enable" button on each track?
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From the Paris reference manual -
Note: When the Project is in Live Mix mode (page 25), this button becomes an "L" and can be used
to set a Channel to input live audio.
TedIt replaces the record enable button under the channel fader. See OP's pic above
Sorry Ted i posted before checking replies
temetrepo wrote on Mon, 25 January 2010 12:42
Right now when i go to check in sounds and notifications in the control panel i get no audio hardware recognized. Is there supposed to be the ensoniq hardware listed in there? I can only see Ensoniq Midi driver in the midi section.
Thanks
That's normal. PARIS is a closed, independent system, and won't show up there.this is how the waveforms look after recording something
i can only arm tracks in the mixer, in the editor window i don't see an option to arm it. just solo and muteYep. That's what it should look like
You can click the "bipolar" button above the editor to get a more "conventional" waveform view (although the way it is now allows you a better perception of amplitude).
There aren't any rec arm buttons in the Editor. You rec arm from the Mixer or from your C16.Go to the mixer and click on the blue light with an L on it. Then try to play back
I don't have PARIS in front of me. I don't remember how to get him out of live mode. Get in Standard mode
Then
record enable
record from your MPC
rewind
disable and play back
If I'm totally off base some one tell me.ok, i made some changes in the project settings
they look like this
unarmed the tracks after recording something, still can't hear anyting
i will try and reseat the card and cables.
also, is the c16 supposed to have all these lights blinking?
is the c16 supposed to have all these lights blinking?
Yes, those are "nulling" lights that indicate the physical fader on the C16 is not in the same position as the corresponding fader in your Mixer window. Push each one up slowly (or down as the arrow indicates) until the corresponding light goes out ("nulls") and then the fader in the window will begin to track the C16 fader's movements.
Have you got a manual? The Wiki has some in PDF form in the Reference Library section; there's none for V 2.2 yet but there's lots of general info in the 3.0 manual.On the old site W Mark Wilson I believe posted a link to an open source keyboard controller. Weighted Keyboard with a computer inside. Anyone remember the site? i will look for the manual and try a few other things
thanks
edit: i disconnected everything cleaned up the eds card and connected it back again and no luck. i think something must be bad. i even loaded the default IF442 patch bay setup included in the program and connected the monitors according to the patch bay setup, still nothing.
i have an eds1000 card on the mail coming in the next few days along with paris 3. i will try it again with the eds1000 and the new version. will post back in a few daysver 2.2 on a peecee over here
soon should be ver 3 Anyone using Altiverb (5 or 6) and Paris? I'm using 6 here with XP and the latest drivers from Mike A. Intel i7 Quad core etc etc.
I can load and instantiate Altiverb - mono or stereo - and save etc, but when that particular project is opened the next time, Paris freezes with the "Unhandled Exception - c0000005 at address 0ada4323" message. I have to reboot the computer to get things going again (all is fine unless I try to open that project again).
I've tried everything except wrapping the VST plugs in a different wrapper.
Wondering if anyone has experience...
Thanks
Ted
BTW - I checked the Wiki for this code, and none of the three c0000005 entries behave like this.
I've not seen that, but I'll Wiki it and we'll keep hunting a solution. Does yanking the plugin out of the plugins folder let the PPJ boot normally?Will try
Ok removing the .dll from the VST folder allowed me to open the ppj.
SO - I guess the "workaround", if I want to use Altiverb, is to load it up, set it the way I want, then save a preset for that track in that ppj, note it externally, then remove it from the ppj before closing. When I open the project again, I'll have to reload and manually recall the preset...
That's actually not that big of a deal. Just makes it more like using an external effect.
The advantage still being that a ton of instances can be used.
Better get to bed - I'm talking to myself.
TedThere are a ton of great convolution verbs out there right now at price points ranging from "great value" down to "free", and some incredible impulse libraries to run in them. Altiverb's pretty good, but it's no longer the only game in town.
Some of them might even be persuaded to work with us to tweak their verbs to be more PARIS-friendly, and I have no qualms about letting them know our specific needs. Folks tend to be a bit hungrier and a bit less "take-it-or-leave-it" than they were as little as five or six years back.
I have run into that as well so I wait until I'm done with the project. Then clear the unused files from the audio window. Select all, export the file and segment list and then the .paf files, then "save as" in the new folder. Re-open and set the record path. More steps but it is pretty reliable. (although "export" doesn't always work as advertised....) I've not had a chance to try out any of these types of reverbs and was wondering what the hoopla is all about?
Keryy - good thinking - I'll have a look around and start demo'ing a few like SIR. Waves IR seems to work fairly well, I'll have to check it out further.
Don - the point about IRs is that it's a different way of emulating verbs - either real spaces or gear - by sampling the decay tail of the objects in question (a church, a plate verb etc) and "attaching" that characteristic to your own source -"Convolving" the two.
As far as I can see, there are 2 issues that affect the quality: the original samples, and the algorithms in the "host" to tweak those samples.
The reason I'm big on Altiverb is that both the host _and_ the IR libraries are superb. Particularly the library sampling is great, and AFAIK, their IRs only work with
Altiverb.
Ted
Wouldn't the best thing be to "clear" unused files instead of deleting them? Deleting them would send Paris back to the original location to remove them from the hard drive. Are you saying that the original files are deleted from the HD, but the copies _stay_ in the new folder?
Ted
Are you saying that the original files are deleted from the HD, but the copies _stay_ in the new folder?
Yes Tom, the originals are deleted and the copies in the new folder that I am working out of at the moment remain.
I usually never delete anything at all until the project is done and out the door at which time I delete unused files and then burn everything to DVD for archiving.
The reason I created a copy was that I had a project "go funky" on me with that darn "_tptQueProject" error. As we have discovered, this is probably related to a bad segment/crossfade in the editor so I made a copy of the project folder and was trying to "delete unused" files in the copied project to narrow down my search of the problem, that's when I noticed that the files were not being deleted in my copied folder but in the original folder. I did manage to get the project cleaned up and working again by the way.
Rob_A
Ted, not sure if this will help you in any way but I have consistently reproduced a hard Paris crash when using stereo VST plugins inside Paris, but im not sure if Altiverb is used in stereo as I have never tried it. My work around for this is to un-check the stereo link box in Paris insert before saving the project and this does the trick. If I forget to un-check, Paris will crash every time.
On another note, how is the i7 workin out for ya? I got mine almost complete, modified the Sonata 500 case to fit 3 EDS in there, everything went well, still waiting on the HDs to get here. I discovered I have a bad DDR3 RAM stick, need to get a replacement shipped ASAP.
What type Ram did you go with?
Rob_A Hmmm, I don't have any problems with stereo VST plugs in Paris. I have them wrapped with FFX4. I'll try that trick though and see if it makes a difference. Yes I load Altiverb in stereo.
The i7 is working great. I can't believe how fast import, export, rendering, screen redraws and so on are compared to my good old G4 Dual 867 mirror door. Not to mention I can run so many of the latest plugs - UAD, Waves etc - even Altiverb with a little tweaking.
Not really sure what RAM I have, my invoice says:
DDR3 (2Gx3)KIT OCZ3P1800LV6GK Platinum
Take care
Ted
Well - not for me...
But the guy who mixed my band's last CD, Darryl Neudorf, is up (as co-producer and mixer) for Best Contemporary Folk Album with Neko Case - Middle Cyclone. The competition is Shawn Colvin, Tracy Chapman, Elvis Costello and Steve Earle.
Quite a list. Sunday night 8pm.
FYI
Ted
update:
received and installed an eds1000 along with Paris Pro 3.0. Still no luck. I changed all the cables, same thing. I believe i bought a faulty 442.
I guess i'll look around for another one (this time in the forum, since i got the 442 on eBay)
will keep you posted as soon as i try something else.
thanksNice and Congrats to him.you might try unplugging your c-16 to see if it's monitor section is the problem. Just a thought.Hmmm i haven't tried that. Will try it and see what happens
thanks
Installing PARIS on a new box and memory has faded. While installing the (PARIS effects subsystem) the 3rd window in says
setup will add program icons to the proagramm folder listed below
then it gives me a box OR a list of existing folders. One of the existing folders is accessories and then startup along with some of my own program folders. I think I have always just chosen accessories. Is there a better folder to place this in or does it matter.
Should I type a destination in or just choose one of the 2 listed above? Keep us posted how your new build goes. I'm about ready to make a new box for Paris with SATA 3 and I'm curious how these newer MB's are working out for people.
RonDoesn't really matter much, Jim; I think it's just asking if you want to add shortcuts to PARIS to those places for easy access.Hi Ron, the only big hick-up so far has been bad Ram, gotta send it back tomorrow and wait for replacement. One Dimm passed "Windows Memory Diagnostic" perfectly every time but the other was intermittent and we all know Paris can get real grumpy with bad Ram....!!
The mobo's Sata connections are not well placed on the board, in order to get the EDS cards happily seated, one would need some ultra low profile angled sata cables to do it correctly. I just used the ones that came with the mobo and with a rather funky bend and some electrical tape, got them to fit but its not the ideal setup.
The case mod went without a hitch, was actually less work than I thought, 5 minutes with the dremil and shopvac and it was ready to go, I have some pics I'll put up here. I even fit the spare case fan in the front to cool off the 3 EDS cards. Only 2 HD bays left though.
The video card worked great with my matrox dualhead2go and all 3 monitors are up and 2 of them switching properly with the USB KVM switch.
The system is working great so far, I had it up all weekend running on 1 good stick of 2GB DDR3 Ram and man, what a diff from the old P4. Its as if Paris is out of the mud and onto solid ground where it can dig in and get some pretty mean traction. Cant wait to really put it to the test.
Take care
Rob_A Just wondering if anyone is using a Zoom H4N and importing .wav files into PARIS? I'm thinking about picking one up for remote recording.
ThanksI'm not (I have a Roland R09), but if it stores in BWF format you might want to keep StripWav handy to get rid of any header info.Hi all
I have 3 sets of new skins completed., minus the Transport and Editor. Here are full res screen captures so you know what you would be staring at for hours.Kerry discovered a new resource editor that allows the panels above the auxes to be skinned,it turns out the old editor was the culprit. These will be uploaded to the Wiki when Kerry can get to it. New instructions will be posted too. The new program is sooo much easier. Click existing BMP click replacement BMP and then OK and move to the next. Then save changes. Only takes a couple of minutes.Here is the new editor,and some eye candy.
Great Mike you are the [url=man!!! Keep up the good work. The new xp multicore driver is working great. thanks again Mike
JorsiHere are a few pics of the DAW build.
This is the Case mod to fit 3 EDS cards.
Cleaned off the intel heat compound to apply the good stuff.
The top EDS card in place with mounted CPU/fan on mobo.
I ended up covering the cut edge with electrical tape. I'm sure some of those EDS pins would not appreciate a sudden dose of case ground.
The 3 EDS cards in place with the UAD1 PCI and the PCIe video card up above, extra case fan in the front. The 3 remaining HD bays but only 2 can be used because of the extra fan in the front.
Notice the Sata cables underneath the EDS cards, this was probably the most funky part of the build. Like I said, low profiles left angle Sata cables would do a nice job here, I will probably get some in my next order.
Before I sent the ram back for replacement, I had the box working on 2gig ram, XPPro, Paris 3.0 with Mikes drivers and I was very impressed. Now its back to the P4 till the replacement ram to gets here.
Cheers
Robert A
Rob_AOK, it's expired, but I want it anyway . Here's the XKeys website - lots of cool goodies.Hello,
Hoping to find someone with a Paris system willing to render, bounce, whatever 5-7 Paris sessions into .wav files.
Client wants to redo and remix so just the tracks is all I need.
Please contact me here regarding price and turnaround time,
apinkham at verizon dot net
Thanks
love the look of the bronze one.... not sure if anyone has noticed or not but those of you that use xlutop's chainer it has 3 skins and the dark one looks like it goes well with alot of these new paris skins...
Hi all. Been away for a couple of weeks attending to urgent family business. I see Jim's got some killer new skins up, and has mentioned one of the several significant skinning advances we've had recently, which will finally pave the way for even more ambitious work with far less hassle.
I'll try not to be such an absentee landlord in the future; more news coming in separate posts.
- KHi folks. "What computer configurations does PARIS work well with?" has long been an FAQ here. Mike's multi-core drivers have opened up many new potential configurations, which has made that an even more urgent question.
My skills haven't been up to creating such a database in a way that would make the info easily entered and easily sorted. But the infrastructure to (relatively) easily create such a database finally dropped into my lap this week, so now the work begins.
So now I need to know - what do we reckon we want included?
Also - since the database won't be smart enough to read text and turn it into meaningful entries - we should constrain the possible range of answers to fixed answers whenever possible (and leave room for expansion of the fields too), so how do we want it entered?
Here's a start I made, and I hope you folks can help me refine it before we put it into action and start gathering info.
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1) Motherboard - (text entry)
2) Model - (text entry)
3) Chipset - (text entry)
4) Revision - (text entry)
5) BIOS version - (text entry)
6) CPU - (radio button) single core / multicore
7) CPU type and model - (text entry)
8 ) RAM - type / amount / speed - (text entry)
9) Video card slot type: (radio button) AGP/PCI/PCIe
10) Video card manufacturer - (text entry)
11) Video card type - (text entry)
12) Video card model - (text entry)
13) Number of EDS cards in this rig (radio button) 1-8
13a) Number of MECs in this rig (dropdown) 0-8
13b) Using external word clock (radio button) yes/no
14) Number of onboard PCI slots on mobo - (dropdown) 0-8
15) Other types of slots on mobo - (radio button) none / PCIx / PCIe
16) Using expansion chassis (radio button) none / Magma / VirtuaVia
17) Number of UAD1 cards (dropdown) none / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4
18) Number of UAD2 cards (dropdown) none / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4
19) List other audio-related cards such as Creamware - (text entry)
19a) I run PARIS in sync with other audio applications (dropdown) never / on this computer / on a different computer
19b) I sync PARIS to other computers or applications using PARIS' MTC (radio button) yes/no
19c) I sync PARIS to other computers or applications using audio SMPTE (radio button) yes/no
19d) I sync PARIS to other computers or applications using midioverlan (radio button) yes/no
19e) I sync PARIS to other computers or applications using (text entry)
20) Case manufacturer
21) Case model
22) Case physically fits EDS cards (radio button) no / fits without physical
modification / fits with physical modification / unknown
23) OS (dropdown choices) Mac OS8 / Mac OS9 / Win 98 / Win 2000 / Win ME / Win XP / Win 7 /
24) If XP which service pack (dropdown choices) SP1 / SP2 / SP3
25) PARIS version (radio button) 2.2 or earlier / 3.0
26) Drivers (radio button) - stock / original XP / Mike Audet multicore XP
27) Overall satisfaction with this combo - (radio button) scale of 0-5
28) Add comments - (text entry)
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Not all fields will be "required" fields - they just have to be there in case people want to use them. Let me know what else you think is required or that you think we should give folks the option of including, or anything you think is unnecessary.Was Daryl Neudorf recording in PARIS?No. I tracked our CD in Paris and he mixed it in Logic, with externals, and bounced out the stems via a modded Neotek to Studer 2 track.
Neko's stuff was mostly tracked elsewhere, and mixed in Logic and through an SSL.
Ted
Looks pretty comprehensive to me although you might want to ad what other audio cards have you on your MB, i.e. UAD 1 / UAD 2 etc.
Not all of us have expansion chassisDid he win?Nope - Steve Earle's disc took the honours.Also saw on Gantt Kushner's site that a CD he tracked and mixed was nominated for a
Grammy.
Very cool.
We should check in on him, I know he was a bit bummed back in Nov...
TedOK, here's a rough first draft of the database interface. PLEASE don't hit "send", no data will get recorded - this is just a test of the concept of the entry form (I've already spotted a few problems that will be addressed in rev 2) because it's not hooked up to a database yet.
It kinda looks like it looks for now, I'll worry about "pretty" later.
Next step after we refine this is to figure out how to display and sort the data we gather.looks great Kerry, altho, being new to XP, I wouldn't know where to look fro the BIOS info...
Ted
You can get your BIOS info from your PC at bootup by holding down a key combination (which I forget and hope someone else will contribute here). But BIOS won't be a required question. Only a few of the questions will require an answer, the rest will be "if you happen to know" or "if you feel like answering". Of course, the more info we have the more useful the database will be.also..whose cat is that???.....is that Edmunds cat in AESSLEEP.bmp?????Yea Kerry, looks awesome man, great idea.
Might want to add something about Paris box synced to another box, MTC, SMPTE, midioverlan, house clock..etc
Rob_AI believe that is indeed Edmund's cat. The picture was included as an Easter Egg (was it v 3.0?) and was accessed by a particular combination of commands (I forget which).Hi folks. I came back to find this info at the Reaper forum. User "Runaway" is the developer for AATranslator, a utility that translates between various DAW formats.
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I guess because I like pain I decided to 'have a go' at the Paris omf cited earlier in this thread. Well I think I have this converting - all the output looks good but will confirm when i can get to a daw to test.
Just downloading the other one (245mb) and will let you know how that one goes.
<b>So it looks like Paris omfs may be supported in the next AATranslator release due in a few days time.</b>
BTW It looks like Paris omfs do not contain frame rates or if they do they are hidden under some obscure entry and not the 'standard' "TCCP" either way we have a work around for it by a user selectable rate.
Just converted that 'crop circles' omf only issue with both is associating each clip with the correct audio - I will try and get that sorted tonight.
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The hypothesis I want to test is that rather than PARIS OMFs just accidentally omitting all that info, that it's actually in those OMFs *somewhere* but not properly parsed, and it might just be a matter of locating it and allowing for it.
Would it be useful for me to open and export the same PARIS project as an OMF several times, with trivial changes between them - say just changing track names before re-export - to let us look at what changes occur between those resulting OMFs? - k
What you are saying may well be the case. I would be more than happy take what you can give me and see what we can sort out.
Might I suggest also (if the option allows) both embedded and reference omfs.
If you could also give me a summary of what I should be seeing with any values in samples that would be excellent.
<b>If we can get this organised soon hopefully any Paris specific changes can make our next release.</b>
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I want to get to the bottom of why some of this info doesn't show up so I've started generating more comprehensive OMF test files, changing a small detail (starting with framerate) and looking for changes in the resulting OMF. This should tell us if the info is simply omitted, or is in the resulting OMF in some obscure entry that a developer like Runaway can track down and decipher.
But I've rediscovered some interesting things en route. Even if it's simply omitted, the "export segment list" in PARIS' Audio window contains some of the essential info that "OMF export" seems to garble.
So whether or not PARIS OMF export omits or garbles that info, a segment list exported at the same time would likely include enough info to cover some essential gaps. While this is not a terribly useful observation in isolation, with the cooperation of the developer of AATranslator, a properly built file might be created from importing both a PARIS OMF and a PARIS segment list at the same time. At that point we'd be translatable on some level into anything that AATranslator supports.
Of course, I'd consider these to all be temporary fixes until we hit the broader goal, which is to obtain or create documentation for the PPJ format. This would permit any cooperating developer to build direct import for PPJs into their app (and for that matter, with that info and the Reaper SDK we could build our own PPJ import plugin for Reaper easily enough). I'd like this much better, since OMF seems hardly worth dignifying with the word "standard".
But for now - I don't use OMF much myself, so I don't know what users would consider essential. Framerate, samplerate, bit depth and audio locations and lengths are all pretty obvious, but let me know what other info you'd consider essential in an export from PARIS.
If you consider the ability to export from PARIS to some other format an essential feature that would speed your workflow, and want to take a few minutes to contribute some exported OMFs (accompanied by an exported segment list - the whole process is only a couple of minutes) so we can do more comprehensive testing, let me know and I'll give you an FTP address to upload them to.got another 442 and swapped it, everything works beautifully
what should i do with the other 442, any places or any info on how to fix it?
thanks to everybody for the help and suggestionsGlad to hear it! Welcome to the PARIS mob
442s aren't worth much cash and the minimum charge for any competent tech to even take a look at it will exceed its resale value - but I'd go over it carefully yourself and look for obvious stuff. Recheck for bent or missing pins at the connectors; open it up and look carefully for anything scorched or loose - check anything mounted in a socket that can possibly be pushed in and re-seated - any visible cold solders, etc. Sometimes there's nothing to do, but other times the answer jumps out at you if you look at it carefully.
442s are a great way to get started and find out how you like the PARIS experience; if you do, at some future point you may decide to make the jump to a MEC and the additional I/O possibilities it offers.Thanks, now i'm gonna dive in and see how it goes
yea, i think that will be the best way too. I'll open it up over the weekend and take a look at it.For mac users: SoundApp plays paf files- not sure if it converts...
now SoundApp Reborn is available for OS X
Prosoniq's SonicWorx converts and is still availableOK, thanks, got 'em now. I forgot about both of those. SoundApp Reborn sounds pretty cool, even if it hasn't hit the point of usefulness yet - hope he keeps at it.Great idea!!!
mani1147 wrote on Mon, 08 February 2010 18:09
Yea Kerry, looks awesome man, great idea.
Might want to add something about Paris box synced to another box, MTC, SMPTE, midioverlan, house clock..etc
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Nice, Rob. I'll expand that to also include sync *within the same box*, ie running PARIS and Cubase on the same rig.Good idea Rob...I'm doing that tooOK, note the new entries at 19 to 19e. I'm not happy with that way of getting at the info - there must be a more elegant way to ask the questions so we get info we can sort and use. Any ideas before I make a new revision? Your input options are:
- radio button: check one entry (ie yes/no/dunno) from multiple choice list
- check box: check one *or more* entries from multiple choice list
- drop down select: select one entry from multiple choice dropdown
(text boxes or text entry should be saved for absolute last resort since it's much harder to sort and search raw text).
Just ask "what will *I* be looking for when I upgrade my own current PARIS rig, and how will I want to see it presented?"Mike,
Thank you for your commitment to and love for PARIS.
I am about to build a PC, based on Windows 7, 64. I do a fair amount of video editing, but PARIS is my primary music production tool.
I was debating keeping my PARIS system on a separate computer. Now it appears I won't have to.
I am following your progress with great interest.
Thanks again,
PaulHi all. This one's another skinning advance.
We've had some great breakthroughs in skinning lately. We've had a resolution of an old problem in altering some of PARIS's most ancient BMPs - a problem that induced crashes in the Paris app (workaround: if you're going to mess with MIXER.bmp, use Resource Tuner rather than the long-recommended XN Resource Editor - XN seems to mangle 8-bit BMPs). Jim Drago's also created a new method of skinning that's cut the time he needs to generate a new skin to 1/10th of the previous, and as you've seen he's produced some gorgeous new skins that you can now download from the Wiki.
One issue remained: the app has always had large chunks of the user interface that *aren't* bitmaps, and as such couldn't be edited using the traditional methods. This includes most of the editor window - meaning the lanes and audio objects and waveforms and text labels for them. They'd always remain at the default, no matter what you did to the bitmaps.
We stumbled on the solution for this by accident while trying to solve other graphics issues. For all I know the term might actually be "re-stumbled" - the solution is actually ridiculously simple so someone's probably noticed this before.
In your PARIS root folder there's a file called Paris.dat. You may remember this file from the days of the "Paris PC Downgrade" - it contains the text strings that PARIS displays as dialogues, which were edited in the "PARIS PC Downgrade" to give humourous alternatives. That's the first section of Paris.dat.
The second section of Paris.dat appears to control the locations and sizes of various "rectangles" which represent elements of PARIS' user interface - for example, where (and what size) to display the bitmaps for the SUSHI bar at the top of the Editor Window (we'll start investigating this part later).
[Be aware that although I've not noticed any stability issues at all (it seems PARIS doesn't really care what colors it draws), this next part is, as always, "use at your own risk". Back up your Paris.dat before editing it just in case you accidentally erase or overwrite something!]
The third and final section of Paris.dat is the jackpot for skinning - it's a description of the colours used in pretty much everything in PARIS which isn't a bitmap. This would include the colours of:
- all fonts, menus, scrollbars and rulers
- lanes, audio segments, waveforms and text in the Editor Window
- the top half of the Project Window
- plus many other interface elements.
Paris.dat can be opened in WordPad, edited as a text file and re-saved (make sure the file extension is changed back to .dat). The colours are stored as RGB values (ie 255,255,255). I'll be creating an index over time to show which entry does what (some are already commented in the original .dat and I've discovered what a lot more of them do as well).
I've already started a RADAR-style graphic look for the Editor window with grey lanes, blue segments and black waveforms. It's pretty easy on the eyes, and it'll be familiar to those who have used RADAR before. I'll post a screenshot when it's more mature, and a modified Paris.dat you can drop in your PARIS folder (after backing up your own, of course!) as well as the raw text of the modifications that you can paste in your own Paris.dat (if you've already altered your own and don't want to lose your modifications).
The net result of all these advances means we finally have the overwhelming majority of the PARIS app available to us for skinning and re-colorizing, which is eventually going to result in some pretty cool new looks for the old girl. They're easily exchanged, too, either via copies of the Paris.dat or pasted text.
Have fun Hi folks. I went looking for some good click sounds to paste to the grid in PARIS and I came across this great thread at the Reaper forums. Hope it's useful. Got any cool/useful click track/metronome sounds yourself?I'm trying to get a skeletal version of my old PARIS system up and running. I am running 3.0, XP, with just one EDS card.
I am using the older (at the time) BETA XP drivers. I am unable to get past "Error Code 1/1"
The Scherzo driver does seem to show up in the device manager. I followed the prescribed order of installing the drivers, then PARIS, then the effects subsystem, with no success.
Any ideas?
One thing I CAN"T find, is the driver specific installation instruction sheet. THe hardware wizard is not geting invoked - the device just shows up after rebooting...
Heya Phil - try here or here for install info. The Bugs/Troubleshooting page just has one entry for 1/1, the rather unhelpful "hardware not found" - in my case it was literally trying to tell me there was a problem with my cable.
Going to be recording, or just trying to access some old PPJs?Just a public KOODOS Kerry, excellent find. Thanks for all the work you do and the help you give...JimThanks, Jim - we never would have gone looking for it if it weren't for your ongoing interest in skinning. Here's what Crop Circles looks like in my current editor scheme - this is early days yet folks, so forgive the unfinished state, but I'm sure in the hands of folks with a better graphic "eye" we'll see some pretty cool results.
Thanks for the links.
I'm "unarchiving" some projects for a friend of a friend. I was also going to render a bunch of my old stuff into wavs as long as I had PARIS up and running, but I am not having much luck. I have tried to do it from scratch numerous times, and am having no luck.
I tried both with an MEC and and IF2, in case one just had a bad cable. No dice. Removed all cards other than video and EDS. Nope. Changed slots. Nope. Maybe my card is bad - but it shows up in Device Manager as working perfectly.
I am toying with trying to put my PARIS card in my current main audio computer, but am reluctant to mess with it. Will do so in a pinch.....
I have a good friend with PARIS in the area, so I may just impose on him and get this done at his place.Excuse my ignorance but what are crop circles?crop circles is the sample tune, with tracks, supplied with Paris 3.0, mxed by Brian T
THey Kerry -
This is quite cool. I know nothing about programming, or even how to ask the question, but since Paris currently has the facility to show the tracks in the Editor window in all different colours (each track its own colour) by pushing the colour option button, would it be possible to edit the .dat file so that you can assign which colours attach to which tracks? In Logic etc I group the tracks by colour, all the drums blue, the guitars red, vocals gold and so on. Makes it easier to work with for me...
Ted
We can't get at the innards of the program to make colours "stick" to segments. We can work within the following constraints: audio segments have two generic colours (selected and unselected, ie tan and red, which we can edit), waveforms have two generic default colours (selected and unselected, also editable) and sixteen "coloured" values (editable) determined by their track number (or alternately their instrument assignment in Free Form).
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They can still be made to be more useful than they currently are. For example, they don't have to be sixteen discrete waveform colours, there might be better options. We might be stuck with colours-per-track instead of colour-per-segment, but we can certainly make that work better for us. Instead of this hodgepodge...
Track 1 Colour A
Track 2 Colour B
Track 3 Colour C
Track 4 Colour D
Track 5 Colour E
Track 6 Colour F
Track 7 Colour G
etc.
...the colours could be re-assigned to help pick out stereo pairs like this...
Track 1 Colour A
Track 2 Colour B
Track 3 Colour A
Track 4 Colour B
Track 5 Colour A
Track 6 Colour B
.. and then the "coloured waveform" button serves as a toggle between the default colours or a scheme which helps visually distinguish the L/R sides of each pair.
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Another take on "stereo pairs":
Track 1 Colour A
Track 2 Colour A
Track 3 Colour B
Track 4 Colour B
Track 5 Colour C
Track 6 Colour C
Track 7 Colour D
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Another way to approach it would be to choose two colors, one for Track 1 and one for Track 16, generate a "colour gradient" between them with 16 increments and assign them to tracks. This could be particularly striking with bright colours and black audio objects - for example if Jim tackles the Editor Window bitmaps on his Flame skin I'd create a matching DAT with "yellow" as Track 1 and "orange-red" as Track 16 and do a gradient between them.
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Even the "3D" look of the audio segments in the Editor Window isn't hand-drawn at all - it's actually a clever optical illusion done with different colored lines. Every audio segment in the Editor Window is actually "written" on the screen like this:
Upper Bevel Bottom
Upper Bevel Mid
Upper Bevel High
SEGMENT COLOUR
SEGMENT COLOUR
a picture of the overview (waveform)
taken from the .ovw file is then
drawn here in the chosen waveform colour
SEGMENT COLOUR
SEGMENT COLOUR
Lower Bevel High
Lower Bevel Mid
Lower Bevel Bottom
To minimize the "3D" look to get a more Ableton-Live-style "flat" interface, you just tell PARIS to draw more of the lines the same colour...
Upper Bevel Bottom
Upper Bevel Mid
Upper Bevel High
SEGMENT COLOUR
SEGMENT COLOUR
a picture of the overview (waveform)
taken from the .ovw file is then
drawn here in the chosen waveform colour
SEGMENT COLOUR
SEGMENT COLOUR
Lower Bevel High
Lower Bevel Mid
Lower Bevel Bottom
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Hope you can at least get the idea of the potential there from these crude drawings.OK Thanks
Ted
dnafe wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 05:25
Excuse my ignorance but what are crop circles?
yep, it's one of the two original demo songs included with different versions of PARIS (the other was "See It My Way"), they're up on the Wiki if you're interested. Makes a good reference point visually, folks can see the before and after.This sort of thing will make this insight take on far more practical use (note, these are NOT the actual numbers of the elements in Paris.dat, just sample values). I've already made a start on it and the final version would, I hope, look far better than this crude ten-minute concept sketch.
[attachment deleted - see proper index below]
Documentation of the elements is tedious - basically you change a color, save the DAT, boot PARIS, note where the colour change shows up and move on to the next one.
It'd be a fair bit of friggin' work, but the work can be divided into sections and shared. And it would only have to be done once, and then it'd be a permanent part of the infrastructure of "What Is Known About PARIS For Sure".
Ted Gerber wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 08:36
Hey Kerry -
This is quite cool. I know nothing about programming, or even how to ask the question, but since Paris currently has the facility to show the tracks in the Editor window in all different colours (each track its own colour) by pushing the colour option button, would it be possible to edit the .dat file so that you can assign which colours attach to which tracks? In Logic etc I group the tracks by colour, all the drums blue, the guitars red, vocals gold and so on. Makes it easier to work with for me...
Ted
Hmmm. Maybe I misunderstood this question. Now that I read it more closely, the real answer is "it depends" or "yes, but...".
Yes, with limitations. What's your normal submix usage? Concentrated on Submix 1, more spread out? The same colour scheme will apply to all submixes, ie track 1 will be the same colour in all submixes. Since you have seventeen colours to work with (sixteen plus the default) you'd colorize the submix you put most focus on while mixing/editing and leave Track Colors "off" on the others.
To pull this off you'd:
1) make note of what tracks you wanted coloured and quit PARIS
2) open PARIS.DAT, change the colours for the relevant tracks and save it (maybe not quite so tedious as it sounds; leave a shortcut to PARIS.DAT on your desktop; if one has "clip and paste" color schemes ready to go you could do a "copy/paste", and we'll be putting a good index together eventually to speed the process, although finding the track colours is a no-brainer using the existing file comments).
3) reboot PARIS
This sort of thing wouldn't work for my workflow at all - it would be much more practical for those who tend to work systematically, with similar submix and track usage between projects. If you tend to find yourself working fairly predictably - say tracking drums as kik/snrtop/snrbottom etc from channels 1-9 in Submix 1 - then by all means you could edit those channels to be the same colour (or from the same group of colours). The other submixes you'd just turn off "Track Colors". You can always use the process above to quickly open the DAT to change a track colour to reflect that "one more percussion track" that got added.
dnafe wrote on Sun, 14 February 2010 05:25
Excuse my ignorance but what are crop circles?
Erm, it suddenly just occurred to me that rather than asking what "Crop Circles" is, you might actually have been asking what "crop circles" are I have a good handle on those ones...it was Paris' Crop Circles I was asking about
OK, really big news - thanks to users on the Reaper forum we appear to have had a fundamental breakthrough in understanding PARIS-generated OMFs. I'll put it in its own thread and link.
I just bought a new bunch of PC parts, and provided they all work with Paris, I may investigate some new workflow methodologies, including the FFX4 chainer, Senderella, and Faderworks.
It's clear to me what the chainer and Senderella have to offer, but what I'm unsure of is what the advantages of Faderworks are, and how best to integrate it into Paris.
Do you insert a faderworks plug-in on every channel (I assume yes), and then make groups (e.g. drums, vox, BGV) for easy gain/solo/mute adjustments? How do you inform the plug-in regarding what other plugins are active so that it can calculate the latency? How does it know that say it's on submix 2 and has an additional 9 samples latency (I think that's the right number)...
Just curious before I try it out...
Cheers
KrisHi all. Some of you might recall our suspicions that file and segment info, which seemed to be missing from PARIS-generated OMFs, might actually have been included in those OMFs all along but in a way that other OMF-importing programs (including PARIS itself) were finding impossible to read on import.
I don't want to jump the gun here, but it now looks like this suspicion was correct. It would appear that PARIS-generated OMFs store and provide all the information needed to reconstruct sessions properly, as long as one approaches their import from the proper angle.
It's all about what's done on import, so that insight would be a mere curiosity if we didn't have a developer who was interested in taking it and implementing it in their app.
So I'm also happy to say that user Runaway (AATranslator) has combined these insights with his own and has now announced PARIS OMF support in an upcoming release of AATranslator which is expected shortly.
In practical terms this means that PARIS-generated OMFs can now be opened in AATranslator and properly translated into a host of formats readable by a wide range of apps which include Nuendo, Cubase, Studio One, Vegas, Reaper and many others. This won't yet include PARIS mix automation, but if there's sufficient interest from the PARIS community he'll look into pulling that out of the OMFs too (it's in there).
I've been in email contact with Runaway of AATranslator throughout this process. He's a one-man operation, and he delayed the upcoming release of AATranslator specifically to spend long hours grinding on this. He was certainly not so crass as to hint at this - but I'll lay out the math as I see it: we just got at least a thousand dollars worth of skilled time focused on this issue.
Pending confirmation that this all works properly - 20 licenses would send a message from the PARIS community that this was "work actually worth doing". 30 or 40 licenses might say "...and it's worth tackling reading the automation info out of those OMFs too".
If you think the ability to export your PARIS OMFs and translate them into a host of other widely-compatible formats with a couple of mouse clicks is something you'll want to use (or even if you just think it's extremely cool that people are still thinking of us and helping us solve our issues) - then please consider buying an AATranslator license as soon as possible.
Your license is an important way of showing Runaway (and incidentally any other developers who might be wondering if supporting PARIS is worth stealing time from their other development priorities) that the PARIS community knows how to say "thanks" to people who step up to the plate for us. And every single license takes us a significant percentage of the way towards that goal.This sounds promising...
For those who don't know any better (i.e. me), what sort of data is carried along in the OMF files? Would this let me track a project in Paris (including overdubs), export to Reaper and have all the segments line up, edit, and transfer back to Paris fairly painlessly? Are plug-ins and EQ settings carried over????
I never looked into OMF....as I thought it was a Pro-Tools compatibility thing, and never worked in Paris.
Cheers
KrisOK, got a start made on a graphical index.
Another part...
OMF is an old platform-independent file format that was used to transfer digital media session between apps, with audio in sync and volume/pan/mute automation in place [edited to add - I'm going to have to check my facts on the automation to be sure][edited once again to add - apparently so - and we're working on it for the next subrelease in a few weeks]. We used OMF all the time for film and TV work. OMF has been superseded by more modern formats like AAF, but since it's what PARIS has to offer (and it's pretty good) - and since it never actually worked from Day One - this'd be pretty groundbreaking news.
Working OMF will get your session *out* of PARIS painlessly, say for exporting to film/TV or to an external (ie non-PARIS) mixing facility. OMF *for sure* will not do plugin settings or EQ (I have no idea if there's any platform-independent format that would, for that matter), but it's still very useful.
Nothing can make, say, Nuendo read a PARIS OMF directly. But with AATranslator as an intermediary, it won't matter; you'd just export your OMF from PARIS and run it through AATranslator to turn it into whatever format you wanted. For some apps, that would even give multiple choices of formats.
I'll get to the second part of that question later...Ok guys I'm still kinda new to Paris Pro but I used the old system just fine. I just bought a second system so I can get more track (32 tracks) count.
1) First do I need to reinstall the paris OS again?
2) It links both C-16 together as one unit.
3) If I do install Paris Pro's OS will I need another
Challenge done by "Intelligent Devices"
4) What's the best way to set this up? In order.
5) I have the cards in place and the little cables to
the cards hooked up also. I have one BNC cable going
from the clock out form MEC-A to Mec-B word clock in.
6) Maybe just me but the book is not the best for muti-system
use.
7) Im unable to switch between the C-16 in the Project
window at the bottom. Only the first C-16 button is on.
The C-16 B will not work at all and the C-16 is stuck on.
Everything else seems to be there. I see the Mec's in the
patch bay. Looks like it finds it all. So I'm thinking I don't
have the drivers installed for the second EDS-Card.
I'm sure I'm making it a lot harder for myself then need be.
Any help would be great. Thanks - JeffI'll pick off the easy ones.
1) Nope, should just work.
2) Both C16s should work together.
3) Nope, again, it should just work.
...
7) Nope - if you see Mixer A and Mixer B, you're well along already; both your EDS cards are working correctly. Check the Ethernet cables that attach each C16 to the card; check cable ends and connectors for bent or missing pins; hit the sockets with some contact cleaner. You might want to check that you have each C16 assigned to its own submix - hold the Submix button on C16 1 and check that the light goes on over fader 1 (meaning it's assigned to Submix 1) and then hold the same button on C16 2 and check that the light goes on over its fader 2 (if it doesn't, hit 2 on the numerical keypad to assign it to Submix 2). Let us know what happens.You need to tell the second c16 to go to submix two - if I remember hold down the submix button and press 2 (on the c16). Thanks, I will give it a try and a bit here.
Yea, I was in the Project window it list all the
hardware you have installed and you can turn them on
and off. And every thing works fine but the C-16
buttons. The first C-16/A is stuck on and you can not
turn on the C-16/B at all.
So I will give your idea a try and see that happens and will get
back to you soon.
I also will need to ask you guys how to set up my wrapper for
the UA-1 powered plug-ins.
I got a wrapper form someone on ebay but don't know it it works as of yet. Should I post that in a different post? I'm still kinda
new to posting on this kind of thing. Let me know on that.
Maybe it works better to keep things straight for you all.
Sincerely,
JeffSure, throw the UAD stuff in its own titled post, that should attract the right guys' attention.
As far as the C16 buttons, yes, that's probably simply because you haven't assigned a C16 as "B" yet - which you do by assigning it to Submix 2. PARIS will have assigned both C16s to Submix 1 by default (hence making them both C16 A's).Here are my threads on UAD cards and wrappers - hope they help
http://kerrygalloway.com/ParisForums/index.php?t=msg&got o=103232&#msg_103232Was getting some dropouts in wavelab and also Paris was acting a bit funky with "ASSERTION FAILED: aGDIWin.c:376 cp" every now and then. After a couple hours of googling/reading, I found that there are some advance bios/CPU settings that limit the voltage to the CPU to save energy during idle, I think it was called C1E in my bios but also goes by Speedstep, after disabling this, the box is working like a dream, 3 hours in and not 1 dropout.
Just thought I'd share in case I can help out some other poor soul who has even less hair than I do....!!!
When we get insights like that, we ain't *never* letting them go.Excellent news, keep us posted on how it goes!Hey all,
Looking for some help on setting up one UAD-1
card in a paris system. I know you need to install
a wrapper.
So Paris sees the card but needs the wraper to get it
going.
What is the best way on doing this right?
So the UAd card is intalled in it's own folder as of now.
No wrapper install as of yet.
I could not find the folder for Paris VST plug-in's,
Is it in paris main folder?
So anyway I don't need to mess this up any help would be great.
Also Paris is a 32 track system (2 X EDS-1000 cards)
Cheers and thanks !!
JA.PARIS doesn't have a specific VST folder, it's any folder you designate in the (I think) VST Folder menu preference. Check out Don's links in the previous thread, he's got a pretty good how-to tutorial there (I think it's definitely time to take that and other good UAD info, format it all up in a definitive version and get it up on the Wiki).I'm building a new Paris DAW using the same Mobo and processor. I just ordered the parts on Monday, and will provide updates on the build. I'm also doing a 3 EDS card system, and might also put in my UAD-1 (not sure yet).
I'm moving from an antiquated Athlon 2100, and I'm expecting some big speed improvements.
Thanks for the BIOS tip!!!
Cheers
KRiscopied from you last thread
Here are my threads on UAD cards and wrappers - hope they help
[wrapped the links for you, the linewrap was making them go funky - K]You're welcom Kris, all is good so far here with the new box. Keep us posted of your build.
Rob_AWhat are the pros and cons of running 3.0 on mac vs xp?
Seems like xp is fairly stable as long as you aren't surfing & you can use uad
I don't want to offend any Mac users here (I ran PARIS on Mac OS9 for years, and it was very good to me), but there's only one reason to be running PARIS on OS9 - if that's what you were using when you started.
But there will never again be any real upgrades or advances. Mike Audet's development work is all PC - he'd have to practically teach himself to code from scratch to do anything significant for Mac, and those aren't exactly skills he can re-use in other coding pursuits, they'd be extremely specific to Mac OS9. Worse, until we get this fixed, OS9 suffers from some issues with file compatibility (24-bit PAFs created on Mac don't translate correctly using libsndfile, which is used for a lot of things) that the PC version doesn't.
So if you *were* on PARIS OS9, and it's solid and reliable and does exactly what you need, there's a good case to be made for "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (PARIS is a solid, reliable performer on OS9 - it's much easier to configure and it tends to "just work"). But there's basically no rational reason for anyone starting fresh to choose OS9 to run PARIS on, thus immediately locking yourself into long discontinued hardware and software, when Mike's got PARIS working on the latest multicore PC hardware and is working on drivers for the most recent OS (Win7) as we speak.Well I read the post but don't realy see how to do it.
I know you have to put the wrapper in the VST folder.
So do I just open the folder and past the warpper there
in the VST folder?
After that should I just point paris to the folder and
it should work right? Or am I missing something.
No one realy tells how to do it step by step. So i'm
just guessing here some ya know.
Any help would be great. Thanks !!
Cheers,
JA.I see your point, there's some assumed knowledge here.
We could indeed use a real (forgive me) "For Dummies" tutorial on this - I will be the first person reading it when I take the UAD plunge.Ok, a update.
I set it up with the Wrapper inside the VST folder with the plug-ins. I hope that part was right. Then I set my VST path to the Vst folder form Paris. I had to close paris to reset it. But then I got a blue windows screen and had to reboot the computer.
So I opened Paris Pro again and opened my project and tryed to open the powerd plug-ins and got this message:
An error occured in creating insert.
Error Code 1011 / 3f3
So what's that all about?
I'm doing something wrong?
Also I always get a:
Welcome to the found new hardware wizard
To help you install your new hardware
( Ensoniq Scherzo )
So will this screen aways come on everytime I boot my computer?
The software was loaded on the first EDS-1000 card and I just
added another EDS-1000 card. But it looks like it's looking for the software for it also. But after I start Paris it finds is fine. Anyway to stop the " Ensoniq Scherzo message"
ok, that whats my update on the beast.
Any help would be great......and thanks again too.
Cheers,
Jeff If you're on skype I'm dnafe23Yea, I came form useing 2" tape machines. so computers
are still my weak spot for sure.
I'm getting better bit still a far cry form a programer.
I can build one but all the
programing can be a bit much. I get around on them
running programs, emails but still learning how to do
things like Wrappers, Road mapping Vst for Paris.
But this is how we learn
So much to learn with any computer based recording software.
I use to use Mark of the Unicorn 2408 & 24i with Sampiltude
It worked ok but the converters are very week link on the Motu
gear for sure (for me).
I'm sure we will get it with your guys help.
Shure glad your all hear to help.
JeffI'm trying to remember the sequence and I think it went
Install wrapper to it's default location ???? but the dll is in the fxpansion folder that you unzipped, downloaded or whatever
Install waves to their default location (program files / Waves)
Now I also have a Steinberg folder that has a VXT folder and that's where I put the faderworks folder and installed faderworks within that folder
Also inside the Steinberg VST folder is a Powered Plugin folder and that's where I C&P the fxpansion "fxvdx30.dll"
At least that's how I think it went
skype what's that.
A message service I would guess.
I have heard the name before but not sure
what it is.....I will have to Google it.
Ja.Check your PMs
skype is a chat system - go to skype.com - download and install it - choose a user id and password - look under new "add contact" type in dnafe23 and we should be able to chat.
If you have an ear piece/mic headset we can talk person to person...just click on the small green phone after you've located me
Unfortunately my paris rig is not internet friendly so a phone call would be much betterSound like the way I did the install.
I unziped the FX Wrapper and installed in the
VST folder. With the UA-1 plug-ins. Right?
I just pointed Paris VST Path to my song file right?
Maybe I'm missing someting here. Help !!
JeffMine is in my Steinberg / VST Plugins / Powered plugins folder and only the "fxvdx30.dll" file from faderworksOk, looks like it's working now. It seems that in the list
for the VST plug-ins, there are two list 1) UA-1 list and a
VST UA-1 list.
If you try and use the UA-1 plug-ins they hang up and gives you a error message. If you try and use the VST UA-1 plug-ins they all seem to work fine. I did not notice I had two list of the same plug-ins intill I looked at them all.
Ok, now they are working I think!!
Last thing, I have some DX plugs form Cakewalk I would also like to use. Do I install them in there own folder or the VST folder.
I don't need the wrapper for them I don't think. Where is the best place to put them.
Thanks,
JeffYeah I have finally left Mac OS9 behind after 9 years with PARIS on it, and have a new XP box that Mike oversaw the assembly of. Aside from all the plugs now available, the new machine is frickin' fast!
Ted
kerryg wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 12:08
I don't know how it's supposed to be done properly, but when I've done it myself it was via two emails. Seller notifies ID via email that they're selling/transferring their license (and deleting it from their own HD) and who to. The purchaser then contacts ID via email and lets them know they've bought the license, and who from. ID updates their database. After that, the purchaser boots 3.0, gets the challenge code offered to them at first boot, and emails it in to ID who then sends the appropriate response code.
Without the response code being entered the PARIS 3.0 app goes into a seven day demo period and then expires. So you might want to remind your purchaser not to boot 3.0 until they're ready to get the challenge/response underway.
I seem to recall ID sets one day per week aside for maintaining PARIS licenses. Your purchaser probably won't want to get caught with an expired 3.0 demo with no code and projects saved in 3.0 format (which aren't backwards compatible) so they'd probably be best to boot it and get the challenge code at the beginning of the week. If all goes well they should have the response code from ID well before the demo period expires.
here is the email to use to transfer license
support at intdevices diggity-dot comThe new skins are up on the WIKI. Here are the revised instructions for replacing PARIS bmps with the new ones. They can still be replaced the old way but the MIXER bmp cannot be replaced the old way and the new program is much easier. So here goes.
also download and unzip the skins file that you want to install, for ease I just put them in a folder on my desktop with the name of the skin group.
2. Make a copy of your PARIS EXE. Leave it in the folder it's in.
3. Start Resource Tuner and open the copy of your PARIS EXE in it. To do this click the folder icon in the upper left hand corner browse to your PARIS PRO folder and double click the copy of PARIS exe.
4. A list of folders will show up, open the one that says PICT. This folder contains all of PARIS's bmps.
5. Double click on the name of one of the bmps, say MIXERFADERPAN, when you do it will open in a window with another window beside it that has a ? and says replacement file. In the upper left hand corner is a folder icon click it and browse to the folder that has your new skin bmps and double click on the one with the same name and it will open in the second window. Select OK and move on to the next bmp. It literally take minutes to replace the bmps, much faster than the old way.
6. When you are done save it with a new name say PARIS_BRONZE.exe in the same folder as the original PARIS exe, and the copy exe. If all was done right when you double click this new exe file, PARIS will open with your new skin.
Resource Tuner is free for 30 days then you must buy it, it is 39.00. I would recommend downloading all of the new skins that you want and creating the new exe files with them while it is free. Remember all the exe's need to be left in your primary PARIS PRO folder, I then put shortcuts to each of them on my desktop and then can simply open PARIS in any skin I want very easily. With this new editor the MIXER bmp can be replaced with no ill effect. With the old editor replacing this bmp caused PARIS to crash on closing. I have replaced literally 100's of bmps while adjusting button placement with virtually no issues.
I recently submitted a challenge code on a thursday for version 3 and got my response code 2 hours later the same day.Will have to try this soon. Looks interesting.
ThanksThought so - there have been anecdotal reports of folks experiencing delays, but ID's definitely still supplying and maintaining challenge codes. Enjoy 3.0, it's a significant upgrade, and 3.0 will let you take advantage of a pretty big advance that just arrived (I'll post a separate thread).thanks, waiting for that other thread Jim,
Do you have a "MIXER my final solid" bmp for the black. I still get the original color above the auxes on this one without it. I tried the one from the bronze but it just still didn't seem quite right and it looks like in your jpeg on the black you have a shaded black for the solid sections in there.
tried to PM but said there was no user Jim Drago[2] and Jim Drago wasn't accepting PM'sThat is *very* weird; I'm investigating the possibility that we may have an issue with non alphanumeric user names (ie names that use a hyphen or characters like ] or [).Are you referring to the old black set or the new black with flames? If the original black no because at that time the MIXER bmp couldn't be replaced so one wasn't included. I can put one together and email it to you or you could use the one that is in the flame set unless you didn't want the grill look. I had trouble with PMs once before.You can email me at jim at jim drago ministries dot org or post here and I will see it. The reason it looks like that on the WIKI is because I took the screen capture off of my system and on it I replaced that bmp and lived with the crashes it caused. Sorry if that was misleading. Just let me know which you prefer. Actually as I typed this I thought I would just grab the old one I had and put it here, so here it is. Let me know if it doesn't work. It should unless the file is changed somehow in the download process.Hi folks. There's been a lot of feverish work in the background. A picture's worth a thousand words, so here's an example of where AATranslator's developer Michael Rooney has got to already in the translation of PARIS OMFs:
That's just to Reaper - it'll translate to a bunch more formats than that.
So far, all segments now seem to be showing up, all files translating, track assignments correct (found and are correcting one glitch now), fade lengths and locations correct (fade types need proper identifying), automation has been found but won't be in this release - that'll be for a later subrelease depending on interest from the community.
Suffice to say - I could use it internally right now to translate my PARIS files into Reaper, since I could correct any errors on the spot. But obviously the goal to aim for is to have this solid enough that someone could send an OMF out to a mix facility and have it open correctly when they're not there.
Michael can't test it - he doesn't have access to a PARIS rig to compare before and afters. So although he can happily fix what we tell him needs fixing, we must do testing, and our support will be as solid and as reliable and as thorough as our testing is. I bought my AATranslator license already, and am testing in every corner of spare time I can find, but I'm swamped (I'm in Vancouver BC and as you might have noticed we've got this "Olympics" shindig going on) - we could use help.
So if you want this nailed so you can rely on it, come help us test and polish it. OMF support is usually in the $99 "Enhanced" version of AATranslator (that and PT5 support), but Michael is including PARIS OMF support in the $59 "Standard" version for PARIS users, so be sure to include "PARIS" in the header of your purchase. Grab a license today, help out by making a few OMFs, translating them and reporting any issues, and let's finally nail OMF export once and for all.It occurred to me that Native submixes might be a nice way to employ Senderella returns (this is probably news to nobody except me).
I was thinking that setting up a template session with some typical FX (maybe a couple of SIR reverbs, some delays, and split harmonizer) on a native submix might be time saver.
Can the C16 controller be used to vary fader position in virtual submixes (can you tell I've never used virtual subs before)?
I've heard that the native subs don't sound the same as the EDS ones (not a surprise, considering that they're CPU versus DSP), but I'm curious if folks here are using in their workflow.
Cheers
KrisHmmm... hadn't occurred to me to try. Never used them in my Mac days, they just weren't an option with the processor power I had available on a beige G3.
But with more modern computers and their radically increased processor speeds, native submixes might be worth a closer look for possibilities... let us know if you experiment, this will be interesting.
Quote:
Do you insert a faderworks plug-in on every channel (I assume yes), and then make groups (e.g. drums, vox, BGV) for easy gain/solo/mute adjustments?
Exactly.
Quote:
How do you inform the plug-in regarding what other plugins are active so that it can calculate the latency?
Going from hearsay and from what I've read on their site - each time you add a new plugin to your mix you tell Faderworks what it is and what its latency is. That becomes part of a database shared between all instances, and it shows up as a "checkbox" in every instance of Faderworks. When you add the same plugin to another track, you tick the now-already-existing checkbox for that plugin, and Faderworks does the internal math to compensate that track (or the other tracks depending on "who has the highest total latency") accordingly.
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How does it know that say it's on submix 2 and has an additional 9 samples latency (I think that's the right number)...
I'm afraid I don't know. If you have a Faderworks plug on all channels of all submixes - since it's a manual checkbox system, I'd wonder if it would be as simple a matter of registering the EDS card's latency too - enter a "plugin" type called, say, SUBMIX2, with a latency of nine samples, SUBMIX3 with a latency of eleven etc (going by memory on the numbers myself), then use Faderworks to compensate the submixes themselves by turning on the relevant ones for that submix.
If it doesn't work like that already, the developer's shown himself willing to work with PARIS users - it'd be pretty easy to ask for. I suspect it might already work like that.
I tend to keep things that require sample sync together on one submix anyway, and as for more gross timing - at the end of eight submixes you'd still have only accumulated 20-odd samples latency, or around half a millisecond. Effectively imperceptible for more ordinary use. But if it's an issue for you, Faderworks could be a great way to compensate.
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Just curious before I try it out...
Let us know what you discover, and if my guesswork is in the ballpark.Been doing some updating the last few weeks and just put in an Opteron 180 in my Asus A8V deluxe MB to prolong the life another year or two. I stalled Mike's latest drivers and everything finally sorted out and worked fine on a 2 MEC 4 EDS card system as before on my previous single core processor.
Then I went to install a Big Ben that I just got so I could hook up another MEC or two for more ease in tracking. Well I finally got the default project to save at 48k and word clock after numerous "not responding" when trying to change anything in the project window.
Then I went to open up so old projects to check them out...changed internal again to word clock in the project window...still got a "not responding" a couple of times but when the project went to play only 2 of the submixes passed sound. I tried changing around the cards on the submixes and it followed them around.
So I went back to my 2 MEC setup and back to internal clock and now PARIS will not load. I get the initialization error of "no interface connected to the master card" So I went down to 1 MEC and plugged the cable into all 4 EDS cards which have not moved out of the MAGMA and when I go to start PARIS it says the same thing no matter what card I attach the MEC to.
It looks like it finds it everytime...lights sequence...hear the switching the red lights blink again and stops there with the message. Any thoughts?interface not connected problem solved....still had usehousesync=1 in cfg file. Still working on why with 3 MECs and external word clock that I only get audio out of 2 submixes...and ...if I attach a 4th MEC then all 4 submixes/cards pass audio. Also the "not responding" in the paris project window at start seems to go away when using the original paris.exe and not one with some of the new .bmpsHope you don't mind, I edited some linebreaks in the initial post, it was hard for me to read.
Hmm... give this one a shot and see if it makes a difference.Seems to be similar to what I am seeing right now but goes away when going back to the original paris.exe
paris1958 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2009 10:09
I have a PARIS question:
I'm a long time PARIS user (10yrs) I'm having an issue (yes, we all have issues) with v3.0. I don't know if you've ever run into this before. After PARIS is completely loaded and ready for use my CPU (AMD 64 bit 2.2ghz) starts to hover around 95%. It makes it almost impossible to use PARIS. I don't have any problems when using v2.1 or my PARIS hardware.
Thanks in advance.
JON
What app are you using to install the BMPs in the skinned versions? XNResource Editor, or Resource Tuner?
- KNo problem on the edits Just typing as I think here. yeah...I remember I did that for my 2 mecs and have not changed where they are but added the 3rd to an already open card. I will try to switch them around again and see what happpens. I know that 2 mecs work fine and that 4 mecs work fine but 3 do not and paris doesn't seem to like the new bit maps with more mec's either. Hovers at close to full cpu and says "not responding" if I try to click on anything on the project view...sometimes doesn't even finish loading its bmp. If I use the original paris.exe it at least loads up normal to the project window view. resource tuner. Maybe after I get this sorted I will start over with a couple of the bmps I like and go from there on that end.Good to know, keep us posted, we'll be checking things on this end too.Okay...I tried every combination of 3 mecs to 4 eds card and can not get anymore than 3 submixes to pass audio. The first card is the master and has to be connected or I really do get a interface not connected to master error. So with MEC 1 attached to the master I put the other two mecs in the 6 possible combinations and got the following. Seems that submix/card D won't play unless I connect a 4th mec. Anyone with 3 mecs and 4 eds cards???
EDS-MEC combination..............
A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1 A-1
B-x B-x B-2 B-3 B-2 B-3
C-2 C-3 C-3 C-2 C-x C-x
D-3 D-2 D-x D-x D-3 D-2
.........resultant audio...................
a,b,c a,b,c a,b,c a,b a,b a,bnot sure what happened but I went to an empty project and added an audio file and went through and switched it to each submix editor and it played on all four. I then opened up the project I had been using for testing and now all 4 submixes play. This is PARIS curiouser and curiouserarrrghhh.....somthing in the effects or something got turned off when I loaded another project and I am back to where I started and I tried what I did before with no luck....Now I am only getting partial audio with all 4 mecs... No audio on Global unless I bypass the ST Compressor and then it is only on the right channel with the left having some kind of distortion.
Something happens when effect sends get turned off when loading a project.
Something is not right...maybe time to pull the unseat the cards again and reload the drivers and PSCL again.
another bsod...
for any windows updates you might need.
run the driver verifier against any new of suspect drivers. if that doesn't reveal the corrupting driver, try enabling special pool...
etc.
etc..Which version of PSCL and Scherzo are you using? You might want to give Mike a PM or email.I have been emailing back and forth with him...he just gave me the latest PSCL dll as well from just a few days ago. I am just having a hard time determining if it is a driver, mec or effects issue or possibly a word clock issue. I was fine with the two mecs and internal sync off one but thought I would take advantage of the big ben and another mec or two so as to not have to switch cards when overdubbing on the 3rd and 4th submixes. Might have to just leave good enough alone on this one but I just want to make it work.Well, one bit of good news is there's an actual developer on deck now, and I know he wants to see this work rock solid as much as we do. If you don't mind a bit of back and forthing I'm pretty confident he'll nail the problem for you (and by extension any other folks that might run into the same issue).Not to make light of the situation but don't you just hate being the first down uncharted territory.
Seriously, best of luck in tracking down and solving the gremlins
dnafe wrote on Tue, 23 February 2010 04:38
Not to make light of the situation but don't you just hate being the first down uncharted territory.
yup... although the flip side of that is that PARIS actually has new and uncharted territory again - which is pretty darned cool, hassles notwithstanding... While
l a few floating around there. 10 years here as well and all the parts are still in working order! ...now if they would just play nice together.Mike went ahead and emailed me some updated drivers. I will be in Germany the next two days but when I get back I will update what goes on with those.Mike went ahead and emailed me some updated drivers. I will be in Germany the next two days but when I get back I will update what goes on with those. Funny too....seems like I go from maybe one of the last on Win98 with a solid working 4 card 2 MEC system to to being in uncharted territory. There are some that surely have a a dual core on XP with 3 or more MEC's ...no??? Come on..MECs are cheap these days...track to any submix with no swithcing. That alomst sounded like Deej about 5 or 6 years ago. Yep, "uncharted" really just means "with a particular mobo" nowadays - the new "uncharted territory" is starting to become better mapped, there are quite large rigs using Mike's drivers.that's what i did
installed it on an old pc in the meantime
if the drivers for windows 7 get r
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
eleased, i will be moving everything to my hackintosh which runs windows 7 and leopard
everything runs superb as of right nowSo far so good on putting my new Paris PC together. I bought the multi-core drivers today and got them installed. But I've gotten to a point in Mike's instructions where they refer me to : www.parisfaqs.com/parisonxp.html to continue with the installation of the FX subsystem. Unfortunately the URL leads me to a 404...and it's been about 5 or 6 years since the last time I've actually done this install, and I forget.
Can anyone help me out here....
Cheers
KrisYou got it. Have a look here and here. Thanks Kerry...but what I was missing was the effects sub-system installer, and I found it here (you kindly had linked the original page, which is fortunately not 404):
I put 1 EDS card in my system (not even in a case yet), fired up Paris, and verified that I have FX. I haven't listened to it as I have no interface hooked up, but it's looking pretty nice right now.
Anyone have any tips for transferring project files over from another computer. Should I be using analog-X interleave or something like that?
Cheers
KrisHow old's your PC and how big are your projects? I'd wonder if any fairly modern computer would need interleaving for any reasonably sized project.Thanks, and my problem was 'user' inflicted. An unexplainable act of stupidity caused several pieces of electronics to topple over.
May have been over 1
mike audet[1] Messages: 129 Registered: February 2006
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0 years. Bought my system when the manual print was still wet.
I haven't been looking at the news group articals, much, because I haven't had any isues. Everything just works. The EDS problem is just a cold solder problem that I didn't have time to deal with. So, just slamed another one in and kept moving. Figured I'd want to put a second one in my computer at some point. But, never got around to it. Now I do.
The Soniq wants me to send the broke EDS and replace it with a new one for $200. Since I think it's just a 10 minute soldering thing, shouldn't I just have him fix mine for a small bench fee?
What do you think?
StephenHeya Steve - glad you came by, welcome!
The cost of a simple and obvious repair on your EDS will probably fall into the "minimum call" zone for TheSoniq, ie it will likely be less than replacement cost. Even if the cost to fix or replace was the exactly the same, my personal preference is to fix - 1) aesthetically, I hate seeing good gear go to already-overflowing landfills, and 2) there's a fixed-sized pool of these cards in the world anyway, so I don't want to throw one out unless I have to - some day they'll be harder to find.
I certainly understand why folks got out of the habit of checking in - lots of users had long since arrived at stable PARIS configurations that "just worked", there were few (unknown) issues to troubleshoot, development had stopped for years - folks came for the social "hang" but there wasn't much compelling reason to "check in" for PARIS related stuff.
Nowadays we have new reasons to check in:
- Mike Audet's got the XP multicore drivers nailed, and is on the verge of a new (and final) XP driver "tweak" release that fixes final issues that show up for power-users, and he's also working on Win7 drivers (sure never thought we'd hear *that* phrase)
- I've been feverishly working with Michael Rooney, developer of AATranslator - turns out our PARIS OMF export was never "broken" at all, it was doing it pretty much perfectly, the problem was that the OMF standard was pretty loose and nobody's app bothered to learn to *read* PARIS OMFs right. As of the last rev I'm now translating out full 128 track projects into a range of formats that can be read directly by pretty much any DAW you care to name.
- Paul Davis from Ardour offered to help fix the last remaining bugs in libsndfile's PAF support, which means vastly improved interoperability between our files and other DAWs that use it
- Jim Drago has new skinning advances that have broken a lot of old barriers.
I hope you'll come by regularly to keep tabs on what's up in PARIS world nowadays
fixing. I do have other things I'd like to do, like finally change over to XP. Tried once and didn't work. but, didn't understand the process for fixing my problems.
Would like to know more about that now that I am finally having to work on my system.
Gotta run for now, Looks like I will have to get involved and glad of it. I have been kind of a musical/aduio engineer hermit and time to break out of the shell.
StephenI've been considering an E MU 1212 which would give me ADAT, Midi, and I?O. Plus a good software suite. Availablle in PCI and PCIe factors, and relatively cheep I looked at that one...$170 or so. Price seems right, but how do you sync between applications? MTC I suppose...
Cheers
KrisRME is excellent, solid as a rock over here and with great drivers. RME cards will handle 9-pin ADAT sync, but note this is on PC only - they have to turn it internally into APP (ASIO Positioning Protocol, a form of sample accurate sync) and Mac OSX doesn't do ASIO, it does Core Audio.
I got both of mine used on Craigslist - I think the 9652 cost me $400 CAD but I'd just missed one at $290 and was in a hurry.We'll get you over the XP hurdle.
Unfortunately we've just not got any resources to give folks any meaningful progress on OS9, which was discontinued nine years back and which can only run on computers built before 2003. Dropping Mac OS9 support was one of those heartbreaking things that you just hate having to do - particularly since I was an old PARIS OS9 diehard myself and have now moved to OSX for most of my general stuff. But at least there *is* a future for PARIS once more, and it's looking pretty cool.Hi folks. I just put some discoveries up on the Wiki and thought I'd save you all some headaches.
I can't imagine too many people wasted much time figuring out how to generate solid OMFs from PARIS - after all, since nobody could read them up until now, what'd be the point?
But since AATranslator has now cleared the way for us to use OMF to transfer our PARIS projects into a host of formats, I thought I'd take a moment to post what I've been discovering to be the PARIS "ABC's of OMF" for comment and refinement.
I've generated a lot of OMFs in the last little while, and not had a single failure of translation that didn't prove to be caused by one of these ABCs being violated. By the way - if you buy AATranslator (and I hope a lot of folks will), make certain to identify yourself as a PARIS user so Michael can send you the "hot off the presses" version that's not posted on his site yet.
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A) Name things properly
This may seem odd - but PARIS will allow you to name things in such a way that it can no longer deal with them itself. The "slash" character is forbidden (it's reserved for describing file paths) as is the "period" character (reserved for OS functions); there may be more. Here are the frequent causes I've found of files acquiring "illegal" names accidentally:
1) You have included an illegal character in the name of the Mixer Channel the audio is on. This is not in itself an illegal action - but the moment you render a piece of audio in
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in the business of making value judgements about headers, so it would just duplicate the corrupted one. But it struck me that I could force PARIS itself to regenerate a fresh one. I used that "sample rate convert but without conversion" trick (although now I think about it, a simple "duplicate" might do it too) and as soon as I used "reset file path" to point the PPJ at the new file with a fresh "header" the issue went away.
I wonder exactly how many mysterious issues in the past were due to these fragile PAF headers getting corrupted. Mike and I are now talking about the great desirability of having a "PAF cleaner" utility - drag a folder (or even a drive) full of PAFs onto it and it scans for PAFs with corrupted headers and writes them fresh ones. That would be a pretty amazing fix for some balky projects.That Sample rate convert trick is real cool Kerry, will come in handy, good work.
Rob
Thanks guys - I should stress that I consider those ABCs a mere "work in progress", one that might get heavily revised as we find out more. It's complete "voodoo troubleshooting" - there's definitely a correlation between the problems that were solved and the things that I did to solve them (I can reproduce some of them reliably by reversing the process), but I might well be wildly wrong about the *why* behind it.I really like your daw build
I would think of going with a rack mount PC case
any cons anyone can see to this
I'd really like to have FOUR EDS cards , waiting for my friend hungaristan to describe his new Paris rig for win7!I have a macbook pro that can run windows xp sp2
looks perfect for working with a notebook that has a PCIe slot
However in red text it says "IMPORTANT : MAX 38 W Consumption for 4 CARDS
Will not work for more
If you need more power please take the ATX Case version
Up to 500 W "
will four EDS 1000 cards use more then 38 W?I am just getting into the swing of things after several years of doing very simple, un-challenging demos that wouldn't really expose the problems I hear other guys have had. So, getting used to the problems with Windows 98, most have forgotten, hasn't been aproblem. But, now going back into full blown projects with drums, real people and multiple instruments.
I haven't updated anything for years. Even in 98-2000, doing more cmplicated problems, I wasn't experiencing any problems to speak of. Everything just worked.
Should I just ship my system to the Soniq and have him turn it into something that will be optimized for 2010 or can this users group guid me through the process. I have a 3.5 gig MB/processor, fairly new computer wi
th a ton of memory. I know that's at least a good start.I'm pretty confident that we can guide you through most if not all issues you will encounter Thanks.
1st I'll get the EDS MEC Master fixed. Soniq said, take a picture of the boken piece and He'll send a new headphone circuit board to replace the one with broken volume pot for $25 bucks. That seems resonable.
Next week, after that's fixed, I will worry about any new down loads of updates and the XP issue.
Thanks so much,
StephenThe 38w box will not work - EDS cards are power hungry and four of them will want at least ten times that as a minimum for stable operation, preferably more. You definitely want to go with your own ATX case and a very robust power supply.Apparently Massey is being screwed over by Nady regarding a commercial lease agreement...read it here
If you agree this sucks pass it around to all your friendsThis virtuavia box looks interesting
hmmmm
Users are reporting excellent results - in some ways better than Magma (no drivers needed). One big advantage is that if you upgrade your computer you only have a single card to switch into the new one (your EDS cards stay hooked up in the chassis and don't know anything's different until they wake up and find out they now have new resources).Now that my new PC is coming together (I'll start a separate thread on that), I'm really looking to explore a bit more of the feature set that Reaper may offer when integrated with Paris.
Here is my plan...let me know if there are flaws in it.
1. Hardware:
I've currently got a 3 EDS system, and will add a RME 9652. The RME will be connected to 2 ADAT cards in the MEC attached to my master card.
2. Workflow:
I'll track in Paris, and fly tracks into Reaper using the ADAT sync. I figure for small projects and quick demos I'll work exclusively in Paris, but for more complex editing and automation I'll move tracks over to Reaper.
I was thinking of bussing tracks in Reaper back out the RME 9652 and into the MEC ADAT cards. This would give me up 8 stereo (or 16 mono) busses which I could still control levels/overall EQ using the Paris control surface.
The keys to getting this to work will be tight sync between Paris and Reaper. I'm guessing that this way of operating isn't really anything new (Kerry, is this how your system is set up?). I'm looking for a little assurance before I dump $600 on an RME card + another ADAT mec card.
Cheers
Kris
Yep, I think that should work very nicely. What you're going for sounds pretty similar to my own setup.
I haven't had extensive working experience with ADAT sync yet - I just got the two additional ADAT cards that bring me up to 24 tracks bidirectionally streaming between Reaper and PARIS last weekend and I'll be hooking them up within the hour. But all my testing showed it working very nicely and solidly - RME and PARIS are a happy match.Should work like a charm. I do it all the timeOK, I have some news to report on native submixes.
I set up senderella to return sends 1 & 2 to channels 1 & 2 of a native submix. These senderlla returns were nested in a FFX4 chainer, and then in the plugin slot below them I inserted a stereo VST reverb and checked the stereo box. I had to drop a couple of tracks of silence into the editor window in order to fool the plug-in to work with no audio present on the track. But, I'm happy to report it worked!
Now here's some of my observations:
1) The C16 can control most functions on the native submix. Faders, pan, EQ, mute all work.
2) Solo on the native submix does not work....either from the C16 or the mouse. It's been de-activated somehow. I guess because the solo buss goes to the monitor sends only, and needs a direct connection to the EDS to make that happen. Not sure. At any rate, Faderworks might be the way to address this issue.
3) Using the senderlla send controls to determine panning and level of FX sends is not an intuitive process. For some reason senderella works in % rather than dB, which makes it even harder. I also ran into some streaming errors when the I had two senderella sends set to zero % (I think it was okay if I left it there, but had streaming errors if I adjusted it to zero while audio was playing...I'll need to double check).
I think this could be a nice way to establish some FX return templates. If only senderella could be re-written to better address stereo instances (e.g. with level and pan). Is it open source by any chance????
Cheers
Kris
PS: I'm also happy to say that my new PC was stable and happy running a 30 track project with a few plug-ins, and the VST reverb on the native sbmix. All with a CPU loading of 1-3%. Oh, and I haven't even set my paris configurations yet (buffers etc).Great work! OK, I'll start doing some testing with Senderella myself - you might want to do a forum search for Dimitrios' posts on it, he's done some really brilliant work too.
A cursory web search didn't turn up any info on it going open source; I found that the dev is subminimal software, aka ModuLR, but subminimal.org now appears to be defunct. Interesting avenue to pursue.
My basic philosophy on PARIS community development is t
hat since Mike Audet's effectively the only person on the planet to whom we have access that knows PARIS-specific code, I like to explore other options for non-PARIS-specific coding. For example the OMF stuff, the PARIS-specific tweaks in FaderWorks, the PAF work and the libsndfile wrapper were all brought to us from outside the PARIS community (or more correctly had their roots in our overlapping membership in other communities such as Reaper). Essential driver development was able to continue while those things happened because of that diversity.
Some projects that could potentially be of great interest to us as PARIS users are (or have now become) "open source" - if community members with coding skills were interested in tweaking or modifying existing code to make it more PARIS-friendly, we'd see amazing advances fast. We already have a ton of cool options - as far as I'm concerned we also need a lot of them to be more rock-solid with PARIS - the words "it's a little flaky, but..." make my grind my teeth. I want solid, and solid is reachable when we have access to source code.
It might be time for me to post a list of the more relevant open-source projects that could be of great use to us given a tweak or two for compatibility in case anyone wants to roll up their sleeves.
By the way - as far as "not news to anyone but yourself" - a lot of really cool discoveries have been made over the years, but sometimes they've been forgotten by the mainstream, including myself. Maybe people thought some of them sounded cool but never really tried them out because they didn't really grasp how they worked, or what benefits they could bring. Maybe they just thought "wow, cool - but sounds really complicated". My primary motivations for starting the Wiki were the ideas that folks bought those insights the hard way and once we learn something about PARIS it should never be forgotten - and every attempt should be made to make those insights as easy to use as possible: complexities broken down and explained, workflows "walked through" etc.
I don't know if that's the teacher in me coming out (although with PARIS I'm "student", not "teacher"), or (more likely) merely that I know I'll be one of the prime beneficiaries of getting this laid out in "for dummies" format - I know how crappy my memory's getting. I'm trying to track down a login issue, and I have a vague suspicion that it's related to user names that contain characters other than letters or numbers, such as the square bracket characters ( [ or ] ). It's possible that an issue like that could be related to changes made in the charset encoding approach of FUDForum.
So if you're experiencing occasional or regular difficulties logging in, and your user name contains these characters, contact me at kg at kerrygallowaydotcom and I'll manually remove them from your user name and we'll see if that improves things.I periodically have to re-login every 20th visit or so, no big deal but it can catch me off guard at times thinking there are no new posts when I'm really not logged inMike ... thank You very much !
Count me in as a buyer of Win 7 driver
I have made several great sounding records in my country with Paris , and I am hoping that I will be able to stick with this system for at least few years more !!!!
Thanks a bunch !anyone have paris running on Tiny2003 Mini XP sp2?
If so how is it running?Hey Kerry, another suggestion for the database would be a detail or even a copy of the Paris.cfg file. I'd be very curious to see other system configs for comparison.
RobNice idea - I actually have an "upload file" function available in the template too. I'll put it in.Just wondering - now we've ascertained that PARIS" OMF export does indeed work (once we understood it) - has anybody ever managed to coax PARIS to produce meaningful results from an "imported OMF"?
If so - do you remember which DAW the OMF was exported from?
The obvious next hypothesis I'll want to test is that the "import OMF" function in PARIS might be similarly usable - if we can figure out how to speak to it.
Upcoming versions of AATranslator aim to *write* OMFs. So if there were even so much as a single type of OMF that PARIS can read correctly, this would be important information to know.Mike, that's great news. I've got a Win7-x64 OS now. Still running 32-bit apps for plugin compatibility. If you need a beta tester, I'm ready.
Have you tried this with Paris yet? Export OMF from Paris, and then import it?
I figure this would be the place to start...
Cheers
KrisYup, no names, missing stuff etc - basically sucked - and that's reading its own OMFs
On the other hand, I didn't try very hard. And I didn't try with OMFs generated by "other" platforms. I suspect they used *something* to make OMFs to test on - and that it seemed to them like it was working. I'm thinking I should be exploring this more - I want to check the possibility that the import functionality might actually be "OK" (like the export turned out to be), and might be made to work functionally with OMFs specifically written for it.
That would normally be an utterly useless piece of trivia (not terribly practical, "change the platform you're exporting from" - if you were going that far, why not simply change the platform you were exporting to?), but if AATranslator is going into writing OMFs - and if we could find one existing DAW's flavor of OMF that PARIS could reliably pull info from - we'd be well on our way to accurate translations from a ton of formats to a finally-readable PARIS OMF via AATranslator.
It's already a complete no-brainer purchase for any studio that's ever had to transfer sessions out for a client. Tidy the session, h
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stem I bought. She was not happy with her voice after playback. Yes, my A-dats where blowing Paris away.
Same Allen & Heath (System and also my 1977 Soundcraft Series
Three. Both great sounding consoles. I was using elco snake's on the A-dats.
So off to the store and I will get her done today and record some more tomorrow.
Cheers,
JeffLOL. Yeah - that'd certainly explain ADATs sounding better than *anything*, up to and including dea
#2. I set up the patch bay the same way i did Mec(A). Mec(A) works fine but not Mec(B).
So what's up with this now. Im sure it's something I'm not doing
right. Looks like to me you have to map out each Mec by it's self and then they (the Mec's)just buss together at the end to the Master buss. Is this right?
So what I'm I not doing here. So the (Mec B) has green LED on
the input cards showing signal. I just don't have a response when I hit the record light. Bye the way the record light do work and also on the C-16. Maybe something in the patch bay but
not sure. I am still reading the book but have not seen anything as of yet to render a fix. Helllllllllp !!!
cheers,
Jeff
Not like a 2" recorder, you don't always know if the computer is
broke or it's just toying
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- Kerry and the PARIS Forums!thanx to all and hey kerry are those little poop balls surround the moldy cake? and who's that little shit dating my moldy or not cake?Never thought of that. Perhaps there just wasn't enough room o
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Dude, What stuff are you selling? And like Kerry said, some of us are still expanding our rigs, (even us APPLE dudes). But, I still miss 2 inch tape, and ride a motorcycle with a kick starter on it. OLD SCHOOL, I know!Nice to have you aboard, John - cool things coming down the pipe for PARIS, too. Mike Audet has been quiet, but I'm guessing not idle 
2 card 2 mec Paris system running on Vista Works with one card crashs on closing with 2 cards. Can anybody tell me what I'm doing wrong. 
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A... *what*... file? Years of Mac consulting back in the day, but I've never even heard of that.
i think his phrases actually came from the day the earth stood still "klatu baratta nikto" or something like that. had this HD crash, took it in and they ran a utility on it so now it shows up again. However, this big tune that I spent a month on won't open up. A dialog box comes up saying:
It was really great to find this group and also Intelligent Devices new pro-audio site this week. 
Mike,
Here's a few more...
OK, I've installed both cards, Windows sees 'em, installed Mike's scherzo.
