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| EDS inserts and Aux effect module [message #58504] |
Mon, 26 September 2005 14:41  |
Keith
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e up to the
>>task of being kicked around. It doesn't mention foot use in the description.
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>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
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>>"simmo" <simmo@bigfoot.com.au> wrote:
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>>>Kim, try Jaycar Electronics, part no. SP-0732 or SP-0755 for the
>>>momentary, page 86 and 87 of their current catalogue. They look
>>>a bit weird but they work. www.jaycar.com.au >simmo
>>>
>>> "Kim" <
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| Re: EDS inserts and Aux effect module [message #58509 is a reply to message #58504] |
Mon, 26 September 2005 16:51  |
Aaron Allen
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rth between the direct Paris recording and the tape transfer.
David.
cujo wrote:
> Yeah, what I was thinking of doing is actually record on tape, so this should
> be the sync head no?, monitoring from the sync head in to paris, then after
> the take switch to repro, rewind the tape, hit record in paris, play the
> tape, then line the tape tracks up to the click that is in the Paris project.
> then move on to the next song.
> Will it work?
> ALso I wonder if people like bass guitar from tape or digital better.
> It may not be worth the effort I dunno.
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> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote:
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>>This is actually incorrect. On a 3 head R-R machine, the
>>Sel/Sync head (record head) and the Repro head (playback
>>head) will produce different results. If you try to record
>>to tape then play back with the Repro head, you *will* have
>>a very noticeable delay based on tape speed and the distance
>>between heads. During record, the electronics pass the
>>in
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| Re: EDS inserts and Aux effect module [message #58556 is a reply to message #58529] |
Wed, 28 September 2005 06:57 |
Aaron Allen
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hinking about what appeals to me about tape. (This could be dangerous.)
I think the fact that you don’t get back what you put in is part of what
I like about analog tape!
This is not what you would theoretically want, (don’t tell George Massenburg)
but just like a Neve console changes the sound but in a good way, and a C12
mic sounds different than the sound in the room, but in a good way, and just
about every tool in the studio that I like is a tool of change as opposed
to a tool of accuracy, I think that most of the artifacts and distortions
that come from tape are musical.
I also like that fact that you can use technique to shape the effect, but
you never know exactly what you are going to get without listening back.
All this uncertainty gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Kind of like a drummer
compared to a drum machine.
Keep in mind that I am a VERY early digital audio user and promoter going
back before the CD was even a standard, and I do love digital for what it
can do.
Back to your test… I am afraid that I may discover that the one-month-old
tape has changed slightly from the original. But the question is…will I still
prefer the deteriorated analog tape to the first digital copy. You know my
answer. I’m just crazy that way.
Gene
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>:-) well at least we are keeping our disagreement civil!
>
>I invite you to a test... record a live performance directly to tape,
>then transfer it immediately to a digital format. Store the tape
>properly for a month and repeat the transfer. Compare the two files
>to see if there is a difference. I would be interested in your
>observations myself.
>
>DAT absolutely sucks... I am so glad it is finally going away. It
>really makes you wonder what really is the best archival format.
>
>I am of the opinion that the whole "tape sound" does have *something*
>to do with the heads and electronics as you have mentioned... how much
>remains to be seen. It will be interesting to see what DJ learns in
>his visit to Portico.
>
>Regards,
>
>David.Some of the seagates say > 58 mb/s sustatined average throughput. That
seems smoking ! Any other brands that are better?
John
EK Sound wrote:
> 80's and 120's
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> David.
>
> John wrote:
>
>> what size
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>> EK Sound wrote:
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>>> Good luck with the 8meg cache Segates here.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>
>>>> What IDE drives are the fastest for the most Paris tracks, my
>>>> western digital is crap and just died so i need a new one pronto. I
>>>> hear smaller drives are faster too. So which ones are fastest?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> JohnThe adat card can send and receive digital info. It can only send sync. It
cannot slave to ADAT sync from another device. It's a control freak.
;o)
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| Re: EDS inserts and Aux effect module [message #58580 is a reply to message #58556] |
Wed, 28 September 2005 14:28 |
Keith
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gt;> When i patch everything in the PB window, the Submix A (card 1) comes
up
>> just fine, inputs routing to the mixer, etc...but when i do it the exact
>> same way for the second submix, i get no signal into the mixer.
>>
>> Recap: it looks like the system is seeing the EDS1000 card, the MEC, the
>> Input modules, and letting me route all the way through, but i get no
>sound.
>> I even tried putting an ADAT card in and routing that, still no juice
to
>> the mixer.
>>
>> PS: DJ, I want to talk to you when you get a minute, it's been awhile.
I
>> got a new toy!!! (PS: i'm the guy you helped out in santa monica with
all
>> my wacky mobo issues, again, thanks!)
>
>I think everybody should get on board with this
one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But to what end?
Legal expenses will probably far outweigh any benefits that accrue to those
who participate in the action. In the event that ID ceases to issue Pace
authorization codes then I am sure the small (and shrinking) user community
will find alternative means of using the product; perhaps requiring the use
of third-party software solutions. The use of such software will be viewed
indifferently by the courts considering the authors, by virtue of their own
indifference, have not seen fit to provide a viable means of using the
product in the prescribed fashion and therefore will have abrogated their
rights to seeking remedies against those who seemingly have violated the
author's copyright. In other words, this problem will, in time, take care of
itself.
I sense that ID will continue to provide Pace authorization codes as long as
the company remains operational.
Casey
"The other Fred Bloggs" <no@no.com> wrote in message
news:4353fcad$1@linux...
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> I think everybody should get on board with this
one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> As a group of users that payed, We should have filed a class action suit
> against IDE and EMU. They misrepresented their product in advertisements,
> press releases, and public announcements right here on this news group.
> That is fraud! We should have had the guts to sue them.
>
> People, we shouldn't let this opportunity pass us by this time! Everybody
> should write in, or we should all sign a joint petition letter.
>
>
>
> "Fred Bloggs" <ParisUsers@defender.com> wrote:
> >
> >I could not help but note that ID takes longer and longer to actually get
> >back to purchasers requesting unlock codes with the passing of time -
which
> >is expected and a natural progression of events.
> >This could be a way to push the inevitable end of product support into
something
> >more kind for end users.
> >-------------------
> >Something you need cracked? Tell the Copyright Office
> >8 October 2005 18:50 by Dela
> >
> >The U.S. Copyright Office is conducting a periodic review of
anti-cracking
> >provisions set in the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), and is
seeking
> >feedback from the public on what you would like to see cracked and why.
> If
> >there is a genuine reason why you think something should be allowed to he
> >cracked, the office might just allow it. Congress mandated that the
register
> >of Copyrights revisit the anti-circumvention section every three years to
> >ensure that consumers have proper access to things they have purchased.
> >
> >Last time around, the office allowed the bypassing of copy protection on
> >computer games available only in obsolete formats, cracking ebooks copy
> protection
> >so that blind people can use software to read it out, cracking of web
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| Re: EDS inserts and Aux effect module [message #58584 is a reply to message #58580] |
Wed, 28 September 2005 16:26 |
Aaron Allen
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spam.com> wrote in message news:43547259$1@linux...
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> Yes, not only that, but I'm clocking it all via a Big Ben now (*new gear).
>
> Hmm...makes me wonder, I don't recall it doing this prior to hooking up
the
> big ben. I'm going out of two of the outs to the two MEC's and the other
> is hitting the RME card.
>
> Could this be causing the problem?
>
>
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> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Hi David,
> >
> >Do you have a 75ohm BNC cable running from the MEC BNC clock out that is
> >hooked up to Card A to the MEC BNC clock in of the one that is on card B?
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"David" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:43546d38$1@linux...
> >>
> >> I have two EDS1000's and 2 MEC's. Each MEC is loaded with a pair of the
> >8IN
> >> analog/digi cards.
> >>
> >> When i patch everything in the PB window, the Submix A (card 1) comes
> up
> >> just fine, inputs routing to the mixer, etc...but when i do it the
exact
> >> same way for the second submix, i get no signal into the mixer.
> >>
> >> Recap: it looks like the system is seeing the EDS1000 card, the MEC,
the
> >> Input modules, and letting me route all the way through, but i get no
> >sound.
> >> I even tried putting an ADAT card in and routing that, still no juice
> to
> >> the mixer.
> >>
> >> PS: DJ, I want to talk to you when you get a minute, it's been awhile.
> I
> >> got a new toy!!! (PS: i'm the guy you helped out in santa monica with
> all
> >> my wacky mobo issues, again, thanks!)
> >
> >
>Cool suggestion. Lots of $$$$, but cool suggestion. I'm thinking about this
one.
Thanks,
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:43548b7c@linux...
> HI DJ,
> 1 x RME HDSP MADI PCI
> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/hdspmadi.htm
> 1 x ADI-648
> http://www.rme-audio.com/english/madi/adi648.htm
>
> 1x RME HDSP AES-32 PCI Card
> http://www.synthax.com/rmeaes-32.html
>
> This would give you what you want with a few extra channels.
> This will bring you down to a 2 card setup with allot more routing ease
> sense your not trying to route and clock between 3 or more cards.
>
> Don't for get that you can use up to 3 MADI cards in a system. I've a
> bunch of machines with 2 for 128 channels and they work perfect.
>
> (The AES card is compatible with the Madi card so it will add I/O to the
> MADI driver. Add this to the MADI card and you will have 16 AES/SPDIF
> stereo pairs in addition to the 64 I/O of the MADI card. The card will
> be shipping in a month or so.)
>
> If you don't want to wait for the AES card then use the ADI-4 DD this
> will take one of the ADAT I/O of the ADI-648 and turn it into 4 stereo
> pair of AES/SPDIF.
>
> The 8 channels of AD/DA could be Paris. At this point I think this would
> be a better use for Paris. Use it for AD/DA and effects processing.
>
>
> Chris
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> DJ wrote:
> > I need to be able to simultaneously interface with at least 3 x pair of
> > s/pdif I/O along with 8 x analog I/O and at least 56 ADAT I/O to achieve
> > studio bliss. If I don't have this I will die. Madi appears to be solely
> > ADAT so I would have to do an either/or with the last lightpipe I/O
using a
> > format converter and an external AD/DA.......resulting in my demise. I
> > really would lile to keep exactly the setup I have and be able to add
just
> > another 8 analog I/O plkus another s/pdif and lightpipe interface. Much
joy
> > would ensue........but alas.........;oP
> >
> > So now I'm wondering how I might kludge something together that would
bypass
> > this obviously flawed thinking that would, for no reason that I
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