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Mon, 11 July 2005 08:39  |
Mike ClMike Claytor
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rsation. While I know it's
>> >frustrating to have political threads on ANY newsgroup that's
>> >not politically-oriented, like someone pointed out, it's part
>> >of life & is tough to avoid that sort of thing from time to
>> >time in an unmoderated setting. It's even tougher to try &
>> >take those threads over to another section of the group,
>> >because once you see a post that you feel compelled to respond
>> >to it's kinda like golf... you gotta play it where it lies :D
>> >
>> >Anyway, thanks to everyone for a mostly civil tone... that's a
>> >personal thanks to the people I was engaged in conversation
>> >with this was a lot better than some threads I've seen here in
>> >my time on this NG.
>> >
>> >"And, now back to your regularly-scheduled audio rants!"
>> >
>> >Neil
>>
>There used to be a Will Downing around Washington, D.C.
many years ago. Might this be the same guy?
Gantt
Tyrone Corbett wrote:
> Hey guys, just getting back into town from a another stint with Will Downing.
> This past weekend we were in California for the Pasadena Jazz festival. It
> was a really cool hit as well as a great opportunity to spend some time with
> other colleagues that I've worked with as well as those that I enjoy listening
> to.
>
> We were brought on by comedian Sinbad...he's still got it! I also saw Jonathan
> Butler, Brian Culbertson, Richard Elliot, Rick Braun and even Evelyn "Champaign"
> King.
>
> We followed that up with a night in Las Vegas (116 degrees) at the Las Vegas
> Hilton with R&B crooner Kem. Although I'm not a gambler, I walked away with
> some additional funding from a "one arm bandit", so suffice it to say, I
> had a great trip.
>
> TyroneWhat a great time to be making and recording music.
Yeeha!
MR
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Hehe... in 1994 waiting until the Sony optical writers get to under $40,000.
>;oP
>
>...and here's me in 2005 waiting until Dual layer DVD burners get to under
>$40... ;o)
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_94-06.html
>>
>>Walter Becker's CD sounded absolutely great. The stuff we're using now
is
>a
>>bit beyond what Roger Nichols was using in 1994.
>>
>>When I read stuff like this, it puts things back in perspective as far
as
>>the *latest, greatest* toys are concerned.
>>
>>
>yeah, no skill necessary...
j/k equipment prices are sweet
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:42dd6381$1@linux...
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> What a great time to be making and recording music.
> Yeeha!
> MR
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hehe... in 1994 waiting until the Sony optical writers get to under
>>$40,000.
>>;oP
>>
>>...and here's me in 2005 waiting until Dual layer DVD burners get to under
>>$40... ;o)
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_94-06.html
>>>
>>>Walter Becker's CD sounded absolutely great. The stuff we're using now
> is
>>a
>>>bit beyond what Roger Nichols was using in 1994.
>>>
>>>When I read stuff like this, it puts things back in perspective as far
> as
>>>the *latest, greatest* toys are concerned.
>>>
>>>
>>
>dude,
i'm on 56 kb dialup which means typically 4-6kbs dload . just mail
them...collect if you wish...i don't care.
mr. bigfootballheadWow, now I have a squeezing fetish.
Ciao,
Rich
"The world wishes to be deceived." - Sebastian Franck (around 1500 A.DO.)Sorry man.......they were just a couple of teasers. Didn't know you were 56k
and I apologize for clogging the pipes.
Deej
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> dude,
>
> i'm on 56 kb dialup which means typically 4-6kbs dload . just mail
> them...collect if you wish...i don't care.
>
> mr. bigfootballheadSnag a set of those Auralex MoPads.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=141/g=home/search/det ail/base_id/7617
6
A bargain for $30 bucks. They work great for decoupling the speakers from
the desk or stand.
Set them on top of some 3/4" trim wood for an additional 10mm or so.
Regards,
El Miguel
"Dan B" <daniel_burne@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, I'm looking for some stands so that I can position my monitor speakers
> on my desk about 20-30cm higher that they would otherwise be. Ideally
inexpensive!
> They're nearfield monitors (Dynaudio BM5s) so they're faily small
(footprint
> a bit smaller than standard A4/letter writing paper). Suggestions greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan> Only sizable downside is there's only optical SPDIF outs, so to run audio
> into Paris I'd need some kind of converter.
Kim,
Don't you use a MEC i/o or 442?
El Miguel
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:42c71751@linux...
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>
> Here's a possibility. The MSI AV8.
>
> Only sizable downside is there's only optical SPDIF outs, so to run audio
> into Paris I'd need some kind of converter.
>
> According to thi diagram it seems you can switch it around to use all of
> them. That said the note does say that slot 1 shares with the AGP card,
which
> I don't quite get. There's no mention anywhere of AGP being able to use
IRQ
> C or D.
>
> I think this MB might be the go though.
>
>
http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/au/motherboard/motherboard_deta il.php?pMODEL_NA
ME=AV8&fMTYPE=Socket%20939&pPRODINFO=Specifications
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>Gantt Kushner <gizmo@his.com> wrote:
>There used to be a Will Downing around Washington, D.C.
>many years ago. Might this be the same guy?
>
Yep, that's him. Although he is from Brooklyn and now resides in NJ, the
DC market has always been very good to him...he plays there rather frequently.
In fact, we were there a couple of months ago for a mothers day concert.
Tyronerick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>and i get a dog with 3 legs...where's the fairness? glad to here all
>is going so well.
>
>;o)
>
Is the dogs name Lucky?
TyroneTripod
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >and i get a dog with 3 legs...where's the fairness? glad to here all
> >is going so well.
> >
> >;o)
> >
>
> Is the dogs name Lucky?
>
> TyroneHey Tyrone,
Man I'm sorry I missed you guys when you were in Motown. I was out of town
that week. But, I heard the show was on point.
Maybe when you guys get back here, we can hook up..
LaMOnt
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hey guys, just getting back into town from a another stint with Will Downing.
>This past weekend we were in California for the Pasadena Jazz festival.
It
>was a really cool hit as well as a great opportunity to spend some time
with
>other colleagues that I've worked with as well as those that I enjoy listening
>to.
>
>We were brought on by comedian Sinbad...he's still got it! I also saw Jonathan
>Butler, Brian Culbertson, Richard Elliot, Rick Braun and even Evelyn "Champaign"
>King.
>
>We followed that up with a night in Las Vegas (116 degrees) at the Las Vegas
>Hilton with R&B crooner Kem. Although I'm not a gambler, I walked away with
>some additional funding from a "one arm bandit", so suffice it to say, I
>had a great trip.
>
>TyroneAs a long time former member of GLAD, I can tell you the Tankmeister never
played bass on any GLAD albums.
W. Mark Wilson
"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Yea, I think he played on a lot of the old school CCM projects. Glad,
> Whiteheart etc...
>
> From what I understand he has moved his operation to Houston. (Where I
> Live). He took a position at Lakewood Church as their media director I
> believe. Pretty sweet gig.no prob., i'll wait for the hard versions to arrive and see my doctor
about those clogged pipes.
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:25:03 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Sorry man.......they were just a couple of teasers. Didn't know you were 56k
>and I apologize for clogging the pipes.
>
>Deej
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:t7vqd1d5bv12hcptjo5lprfld86ehhhnmv@4ax.com...
>> dude,
>>
>> i'm on 56 kb dialup which means typically 4-6kbs dload . just mail
>> them...collect if you wish...i don't care.
>>
>> mr. bigfootballhead
>changed it from dakota to dumbass. we went to an alman brothers
concert and upon our return found the idiot had tied himself to the
table on the deck cutting off the circulation to his left leg. we
don't know if the damage he did to the radial nerve is permanent yet
but he does look pretty pathetic.
On 20 Jul 2005 11:22:56 +1000, "Tyrone Corbett"
<tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>and i get a dog with 3 legs...where's the fairness? glad to here all
>>is going so well.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>
>Is the dogs name Lucky?
>
>TyroneThanks for the advice. I ended up buying some full height speaker stands (100cm)
- and the difference was like night and day! Best money I ever spend in the
studio!
Cheers,
Daniel
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>Snag a set of those Auralex MoPads.
>
> http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=141/g=home/search/det ail/base_id/7617
>6
>
>A bargain for $30 bucks. They work great for decoupling the speakers from
>the desk or stand.
>
>Set them on top of some 3/4" trim wood for an additional 10mm or so.
>
>Regards,
>
>El Miguel
>
>
>
>"Dan B" <daniel_burne@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:42c68523$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi, I'm looking for some stands so that I can position my monitor speakers
>> on my desk about 20-30cm higher that they would otherwise be. Ideally
>inexpensive!
>> They're nearfield monitors (Dynaudio BM5s) so they're faily small
>(footprint
>> a bit smaller than standard A4/letter writing paper). Suggestions greatly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan
>
>Hi,
I'm interested in adding another EDS card, but there's a chance that if I
manage to get hold of one it won't have the cable to connect it to another
EDS. Is this a specific cable type or will some generic cable do the job?
If so, which one / what are the specs? (In in the UK).
BTW, if anyone has a spare cable or card... let me know...
Thanks,
DanielStrangely worldclock is something that's totally escaped my radar over the
years and some recent comments about high quality external worldclock sources
has got me wondering whether it's something I should be doing something about.
I mostly use the analogue inputs of paris, but occasionally use the SPDIF
(Johnson J-Station / Pod, etc) and sometimes the adat as inputs (korg oasys
/ event gina). I've not really dabbled with MIDI, but may have to increasingly.
As far as I know Paris has always been the master clock (I'm not at the machine
now).
Am I doing anything wrong... or can I continue recording without something
else to worry about!
Thanks,
Dan"Rich" <studiodog@milwaukeerocks.com> wrote:
>
>Been there too. I also have Ozone (and others) and agree with your Expanded
>soundstages findings - it changes every thing somewhat; and yea it really
>eats CPU.
Yep... I've even asked the Izotope guys if they could strip out
the code for all the other features of the Ozone so that one
could mix with the spatial enhancer inserted & not have my
computer just plain stop working :) and they said they'd
actually considered it. Maybe they'll go beyond considering it
& release that as a separate plugin... that would be handy.
>Can you describe the Bedini Audio Spatial box more?
Aparently John Bedini still makes it (it used to be mfg'd by a
now-defunct company called Gamma Electronics):
http://www.bedini.com/base.htm
It B.A.S.E.-ically :) would allow you to do enhanced stereo to
the extent where you could place things well outside the
speakers... There was an album called "Storm Alert" from a
thrash-metal group called Torture that I engineered I did,
called Torture... though it's not something I'd say was a great
production overall (OK, I guess for the genre it might have
been appropriate at the time, but IMO they wanted it very much
"rough-edged", and it coulda been a little more polished & it
wouldn't have hurt), there were a few cool "Bedini moments" -
for example, the drummer had one of those enormous kits with
like 8 toms - when he did a roll across all or most of them
(using the Bedini unit across the mix) it sounded like they
would come from behind you & up above in the back corner of the
room, to across the front downward at an angle, and finish up
in the opposite lower corner of the room back behind you again.
This is just with the two regular front stereo speakers, BTW;
not surround sound of any kind.
Neil Kernon recently did a remix of that album (I guess they
have a strong enough cult following to justify a re-release of
an album that old), and I don't imagine he used a Bedini on it,
so if you happen to come across one of those versions, you most
likely won't be able to hear it on that; but if you've got any
friends that are fans of vintage Thrash, ask 'em if they have
that CD & you'll see what I'm talking about on some of the big
tom rolls.
On another project (from a different group altogether), the
band wanted a helicopter flying around... so we got a
helicopter SFX track & made it fly around outside the room;
dead serious here, if you didn't know that effect was coming up,
you'd rush over to the windows & start looking around for this
chopper that sounded like it was circling the building.
On yet another project, this other band had a song called
"Agent Orange", and they wanted a jet fly-by effect with bombs
dropping... same kind of idea there - got the SFX clips &
processed them through the Bedini, and with only two speakers
it was almost like you were listening to surround sound as it
came up from beind you one one side & exited the front of the
soundfield off to the left.
These are some of the wild things you could do with it - it was
also great for just mixing through on subtle stereo-enhancement
settings. I don't know how it worked, and since the main
"effect" components inside were all sealed in epoxy, I don't
know if anyone besides John Bedini really did, either.
NeilA good word clock will change the wsound of the A/D and D/A converters by
reducing jitter. the Paris clock isn't bad, but the converters can be made
to sound different (and some, including me, think better) with a quality
external word clock.
"Dan B" <daniel_burne@yahoo.NOSPAMcom> wrote in message
news:42de4439$1@linux...
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> Strangely worldclock is something that's totally escaped my radar over the
> years and some recent comments about high quality external worldclock
sources
> has got me wondering whether it's something I should be doing something
about.
>
>
> I mostly use the analogue inputs of paris, but occasionally use the SPDIF
> (Johnson J-Station / Pod, etc) and sometimes the adat as inputs (korg
oasys
> / event gina). I've not really dabbled with MIDI, but may have to
increasingly.
> As far as I know Paris has always been the master clock (I'm not at the
machine
> now).
>
> Am I doing anything wrong... or can I continue recording without something
> else to worry about!
>
> Thanks,
> DanHe gave it all he could Capn
http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/20/obit.doohan.ap/inde x.htmlThe EDS interconnect cables are pin for pin 10 (one required) and 15
(two required for a two card system) conductor ribbon cables. These
can be made from readily available parts at your local electronics
supplier. Make them short (less than 4"). Some people cut down IDE
cables, but I find it way less hassle to pick up the parts and build
them properly.
David.
Dan B wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm interested in adding another EDS card, but there's a chance that if I
> manage to get hold of one it won't have the cable to connect it to another
> EDS. Is this a specific cable type or will some generic cable do the job?
> If so, which one / what are the specs? (In in the UK).
> BTW, if anyone has a spare cable or card... let me know...
>
> Thanks,
> DanielHi,
In short - comments on $400-700 multichannel mic pre's - e.g.
Focusrite Octopre
Focusrite Octopre LE
Presonus Digimax LT
Presonus MP20
Presonus Bluetube
Presonus Firepod
M-Audio Octane
dbx 386
In long... Mic pre wise at the moment I have only a Focusrite Platinum Voicemaster
and a Soundcraft Spirit Folio Desk. I suspect the desk is the weak link in
my studio, and so am after some replacement pres. The budget's limited (ideally
$600 ish, but may be able to stretch). Ideally it would have 8 channels,
but some have suggested I'd be better buying a decent 2 (or 4) channel unit,
and using the desk for the rest. That way acoustic guitar could be recorded
with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for extra
drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually). It'd
only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going to
be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar, C418s
on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a Rode
NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.Hi Dan,
Here is a very unscientific personal opinion.
> Focusrite Octopre - the compressors suck otherwise they sound good.
> Focusrite Octopre LE - haven't heard them but they look to be the
same minus the compressors
> Presonus Digimax LT - very good but a little noisy
> Presonus MP20 -stereo? Sounds good. A nice utility pre
> Presonus Bluetube -crap
> Presonus Firepod - This is a sound card so it doesn't really count.
The pres do sound very good for the price.
> M-Audio Octane - I like this pre allot. It has no need to be a 2U
rack unit though.
> dbx 386 - yuck
You should also check out the RME Octamic-D and the Studio projects (not
an A/D just analog.)
Chris
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comI've decided to break down and get a new computer for the Paris. I've got a
2 card and 1 UAD-1 setup running 3.0 on XP.
I'm basically looking for the least expensive way that will still do the
job. Any recommendations for motherboard, memory, processor, etc.
I'm thinking about something along the lines of a motherboard with 5 PCI
slots and 800 fsb, Pentium 2.6 processor and 1 gb ram. Suggestions would be
greatly appreciated. I don't use midi or any other linked machines such as
cubase etc.
Thanks
Barrybeam him up...
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:58:44 -0500, "Mark McCurdy"
<gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>He gave it all he could Capn
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/07/20/obit.doohan.ap/inde x.html
>I guess he just couldn't get enough power. Fond memories of the original
series. The reruns kept me company on cold winter days after school. One to
beam up.
Tony
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Mon, 11 July 2005 06:25  |
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master, I've only got console
pres).
What are the Grace pre's?
As for the desk, I'm only using it for monitoring and for the mic pres (I
use mic in to the direct outs straight into the paris ins, and then mix solely
in Paris).
Dan
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I have worked with the 386, the firepod, the bluetube and digimaxLT .. can't
>recommend any of those, honestly. They all seemed to suffer from either
QC
>problems or just plainly didn't sound good. I'd be more inclined to steer
>you towards a Grace set, less of them but better quality per buck, because
>you already have generic pres in the console.
>As to the console, are you routing the mix through it or through paris?
>
>AA
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Mon, 11 July 2005 10:37 |
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>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In short - comments on $400-700 multichannel mic pre's - e.g.
>>> Focusrite Octopre
>>> Focusrite Octopre LE
>>> Presonus Digimax LT
>>> Presonus MP20
>>> Presonus Bluetube
>>> Presonus Firepod
>>> M-Audio Octane
>>> dbx 386
>>>
>>>
>>> In long... Mic pre wise at the moment I have only a Focusrite Platinum
>
>>> Voicemaster
>>> and a Soundcraft Spirit Folio Desk. I suspect the desk is the weak link
> in
>>> my studio, and so am after some replacement pres. The budget's limited
>
>>> (ideally
>>> $600 ish, but may be able to stretch). Ideally it would have 8 channels,
>>> but some have suggested I'd be better buying a decent 2 (or 4) channel
>
>>> unit,
>>> and using the desk for the rest. That way acoustic guitar could be
>>> recorded
>>> with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for
>
>>> extra
>>> drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually).
>
>>> It'd
>>> only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going
> to
>>> be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
>>>
>>> Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
>>>
>>> BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar,
>
>>> C418s
>>> on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a
>
>>> Rode
>>> NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.
>>
>>
>http://www.voxengo.com/product/r8brain/
it's great, it's free. They also make a Pro version, but I've never used
it. Anyone have any comments on the difference between the two.
rod
"Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>Is Wavelab gonna destroy files going from 48k to 44k?
>
>Doesn't Voxengo make a free sample rate convertor?
>
>What would be considered high end sample rate conversion.... hardware? or
>software?
>
>hmmmm.
>
>Jeremy
>
>
>The PreSonus M80 is Just like the M20..except it has 8 pre's instead of 2.
You can get them in the 1300-1500 range..maybe cheaper on ebay. I've got
one and it's pretty good. I've also got some api, vintech, and focusrite
ISA modules , and the presonus isn't that far behind.
rod
"Dan B" <daniel_burne@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks for the comments. I've just added the SPL Gold Mic Pre to the short
>list. I'm tempted to get the Octopre LE; or the Octopre LE with the SPL
as
>well (not so good for the budget); kust the SPL or possibly the Sytek (alone).
>The second option would give me 10 pres, with the option of tubes on two
>of them.
>
>I guess the only worry with not buying an 8 pre unit is tracking drums without
>decent pres (apart from a mono Focusrite Voicemaster, I've only got console
>pres).
>
>What are the Grace pre's?
>
>As for the desk, I'm only using it for monitoring and for the mic pres (I
>use mic in to the direct outs straight into the paris ins, and then mix
solely
>in Paris).
>
>Dan
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I have worked with the 386, the firepod, the bluetube and digimaxLT ..
can't
>
>>recommend any of those, honestly. They all seemed to suffer from either
>QC
>>problems or just plainly didn't sound good. I'd be more inclined to steer
>
>>you towards a Grace set, less of them but better quality per buck, because
>
>>you already have generic pres in the console.
>>As to the console, are you routing the mix through it or through paris?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Dan B" <daniel_burne@yahooNOSPAM.com
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e desk for the rest. That way acoustic guitar could be recorded
>with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for
extra
>drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually).
It'd
>only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going to
>be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
>
>Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
>
>BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar, C418s
>on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a Rode
>NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.yell at them til they agree with you.I must agree tht the digimax sounds bad. I mixed a tune that another guy recorded
using these and every thing was harsh thin and grainy. Of course I was not
there so it could have been some other issue. (pro tools?) I have a 16 channel
spirit folio rac pac. I used to use it only as extra pres for snare bottom
and as a talk back and things like that. I have since discovered that it
sounds really nice. I had to trac a scratch acoustic while working paris
thinking I'd replace it..no way, it is sweet and musical. Since then I use
it on snare top and toms too ( I like the eq pre paris) I would not say it
is going to give you slammin Neve sound or whatever..but honestly, I am sorta
tired of that anyway.
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I have worked with the 386, the firepod, the bluetube and digimaxLT .. can't
>recommend any of those, honestly. They all seemed to suffer from either
QC
>problems or just plainly didn't sound good. I'd be more inclined to steer
>you towards a Grace set, less of them but better quality per buck, because
>you already have generic pres in the console.
>As to the console, are you routing the mix through it or through paris?
>
>AA
>
>
>"Dan B" <daniel_burne@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>news:42de84ca$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In short - comments on $400-700 multichannel mic pre's - e.g.
>> Focusrite Octopre
>> Focusrite Octopre LE
>> Presonus Digimax LT
>> Presonus MP20
>> Presonus Bluetube
>> Presonus Firepod
>> M-Audio Octane
>> dbx 386
>>
>>
>> In long... Mic pre wise at the moment I have only a Focusrite Platinum
>> Voicemaster
>> and a Soundcraft Spirit Folio Desk. I suspect the desk is the weak link
in
>> my studio, and so am after some replacement pres. The budget's limited
>> (ideally
>> $600 ish, but may be able to stretch). Ideally it would have 8 channels,
>> but some have suggested I'd be better buying a decent 2 (or 4) channel
>> unit,
>> and using the desk for the rest. That way acoustic guitar could be
>> recorded
>> with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for
>> extra
>> drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually).
>> It'd
>> only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going
to
>> be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
>>
>> Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
>>
>> BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar,
>> C418s
>> on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a
>> Rode
>> NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.
>
>Better than doing it in a wave editor such as CEP?
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>yell at them til they agree with you............or threaten them with vicious dogs
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:taqud11vhfl2b087cd7cav9olqubifvcoe@4ax.com...
> yell at them til they agree with you.rick wrote:
> yell at them til they agree with you.
Heh. You crack me up, Rick.
Cheers,
-Jamie K
http://www.JamieKrutz.comHi All
Please pardon the DUH factor
I'm tekking a conference and making some idea notes on a mix I have to do
and I want to use a stereo effect but have never done it before so...
How does one apply stereo EDS & Native FX?
I'm assuming you double the track and pan left and right then use two
instances of the plugin
Correct?
DonCopy the mono track to the next track over and apply the plugin in
stereo on the right?? track (select the stereo
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check box in the plugin
window). Make sure you use the time lock tool to copy the track.
Right click and drag will copy.
David.
Don Nafe wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Please pardon the DUH factor
>
> I'm tekking a conference and making some idea notes on a mix I have to do
> and I want to use a stereo effect but have never done it before so...
>
> How does one apply stereo EDS & Native FX?
>
> I'm assuming you double the track and pan left and right then use two
> instances of the plugin
>
> Correct?
>
> Don
>
>
>you mean with mr. 3 legs himself. they'd prolly convert to a mac
format just to spite him.
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 07:23:14 -0600, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>..........or threaten them with vicious dogs
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:taqud11vhfl2b087cd7cav9olqubifvcoe@4ax.com...
>> yell at them til they agree with you.
>how about a Mixwizard 16:2
cujo wrote:
> I must agree tht the digimax sounds bad. I mixed a tune that another guy recorded
> using these and every thing was harsh thin and grainy. Of course I was not
> there so it could have been some other issue. (pro tools?) I have a 16 channel
> spirit folio rac pac. I used to use it only as extra pres for snare bottom
> and as a talk back and things like that. I have since discovered that it
> sounds really nice. I had to trac a scratch acoustic while working paris
> thinking I'd replace it..no way, it is sweet and musical. Since then I use
> it on snare top and toms too ( I like the eq pre paris) I would not say it
> is going to give you slammin Neve sound or whatever..but honestly, I am sorta
> tired of that anyway.
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>I have worked with the 386, the firepod, the bluetube and digimaxLT .. can't
>
>
>>recommend any of those, honestly. They all seemed to suffer from either
>
> QC
>
>>problems or just plainly didn't sound good. I'd be more inclined to steer
>
>
>>you towards a Grace set, less of them but better quality per buck, because
>
>
>>you already have generic pres in the console.
>>As to the console, are you routing the mix through it or through paris?
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Dan B" <daniel_burne@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>>news:42de84ca$1@linux...
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>In short - comments on $400-700 multichannel mic pre's - e.g.
>>>Focusrite Octopre
>>>Focusrite Octopre LE
>>>Presonus Digimax LT
>>>Presonus MP20
>>>Presonus Bluetube
>>>Presonus Firepod
>>>M-Audio Octane
>>>dbx 386
>>>
>>>
>>>In long... Mic pre wise at the moment I have only a Focusrite Platinum
>
>
>>>Voicemaster
>>>and a Soundcraft Spirit Folio Desk. I suspect the desk is the weak link
>
> in
>
>>>my studio, and so am after some replacement pres. The budget's limited
>
>
>>>(ideally
>>>$600 ish, but may be able to stretch). Ideally it would have 8 channels,
>>>but some have suggested I'd be better buying a decent 2 (or 4) channel
>
>
>>>unit,
>>>and using the desk for the rest. That way acoustic guitar could be
>>>recorded
>>>with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for
>
>
>>>extra
>>>drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually).
>
>
>>>It'd
>>>only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going
>
> to
>
>>>be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
>>>
>>>Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
>>>
>>>BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar,
>
>
>>>C418s
>>>on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a
>
>
>>>Rode
>>>NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.
>>
>>
>you been a talkin' to my wife boy? cuz that's the same phr
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> wrote in message news:42e068e9@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>I've got no problem working with Cubase. The DR 16 doesn't have a smpte
> card
>>though. I would think that the 9 pin port would be a receiver since it's
> for
>>a remote control. Icf it doesn't lock to Paris, I'll try it with Cubase
> and
>>one of my RME cards. Can't think of any other way to do it. The (127) page
>>manual will be shipped with it so after an RTFM interlude, maybe I can get
>>my head around this. It looks like a pretty cool recording device.
>
> Ahh.. the SMPTE card was an option on that, IIRC - the one I
> owned had one.
> As far as a recording device, it's pretty handy for certain
> things, but I didn't like the convertors, personally.
> Let me know if I can help - if you're hacing trouble, maybe
> send me a .jpg shot of the back panel & it could refresh my
> memory as to the connections, etc... does that particular unit
> have the BNC connections, do you know?
>
> NeilAsus motherboards with an AMD cpu are a safe bet with Paris.
"Sanbar" <sanbar@wi.rr.com> wrote in message news:42de8877@linux...
> I've decided to break down and get a new computer for the Paris. I've got
a
> 2 card and 1 UAD-1 setup running 3.0 on XP.
>
> I'm basically looking for the least expensive way that will still do the
> job. Any recommendations for motherboard, memory, processor, etc.
>
> I'm thinking about something along the lines of a motherboard with 5 PCI
> slots and 800 fsb, Pentium 2.6 processor and 1 gb ram. Suggestions would
be
> greatly appreciated. I don't use midi or any other linked machines such as
> cubase etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
>I've seen someone mention that adding an external clock to Paris made the
reverb tails sound smoother. Is this just a benefit to the D/A converters
that allow you to hear more clearly or does it have any effect on internal
processing?
Can an external clock help the sound of already recorded tracks being
internally printed?
RZYeh, it's got BNC's. I'll get back to you once it gets here. A guy from Ft.
worth is bringing it to Colorado. I'm meeting him to pick it up in Silverton
at noon on Wednesday.
<neil OIUOIU.OIU.com> wrote in message news:42e068e9@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >I've got no problem working with Cubase. The DR 16 doesn't have a smpte
> card
> >though. I would think that the 9 pin port would be a receiver since it's
> for
> >a remote control. Icf it doesn't lock to Paris, I'll try it with Cubase
> and
> >one of my RME cards. Can't think of any other way to do it. The (127)
page
> >manual will be shipped with it so after an RTFM interlude, maybe I can
get
> >my head around this. It looks like a pretty cool recording device.
>
> Ahh.. the SMPTE card was an option on that, IIRC - the one I
> owned had one.
> As far as a recording device, it's pretty handy for certain
> things, but I didn't like the convertors, personally.
> Let me know if I can help - if you're hacing trouble, maybe
> send me a .jpg shot of the back panel & it could refresh my
> memory as to the connections, etc... does that particular unit
> have the BNC connections, do you know?
>
> NeilHi,
I don't aggree about the 386 and the 376 as a matter of fact from DBX.
With some upgrade they sound very very good, very sweet almost remind me
the analog tape recording thing.
The only major upgrade should be replacing the ECC82 tubes to original
Telefunken ones.
Change some caps inside (not radical chnages here) and you have a very
good preamp.
I tried changing all or some of the opa's too but found the stock ones
sound the best.
You kn ow they use same chips as RME uses and most others.
It is the tubes that make all the difference.
The best mic form the cheap models (not chinese) that compliments
perfectly the 3xx line pf preamps is AT4033.
This combination was preffered from a client instead of AT 4066 using
Avalon M5 preamp.
It makes you sound sweet warm with no hint of ahrshness at all and
sibilance !
Regards,
Dimitrios
Dave Parkin wrote:
> Howdy all.
>
> Thought I might put my 2 cents in...
>
> I feel you will be let down going for 8 more budget channels. I dont think
> you will hear a significant quality change in relation to the spirit. A couple
> of years ago, i bought a whole heap of focusrite platinum things, (Penta,
> voice master, tracmaster, ect), and was quite upset when i didnt notice a
> decent sonic change from my eurodesk M5000. I was trying to convince myself
> that is was better.. It wasnt until i bought some more pricey solid state
> class-a transformer based pres, that i noticed a better quality coming through.
>
> I feel you should buy one or two pre's with that money, or save up for
> something better. Thats a more rewarding experience.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Dan B&quo
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y acoustic guitar could be recorded
>>with 3 mics through decent pres. I'd only need to use the desk pres for
>
> extra
>
>>drum mics beyond the 3 channels (each instrument tracked individually).
>
> It'd
>
>>only be worth investing the money in an 8 channel pre if they're going to
>>be a fairly significantly better than those in the desk.
>>
>>Many thanks for any advice / suggestions.
>>
>>BTW, mic wise I'm using AT4033a's as O/Hs / Vocals / acoustic guitar, C418s
>>on toms / snare top, SM57 (underneath snare), D112 kick. I *may* buy a Rode
>>NTK (valve) for vocals / acoustic guitar.
>
>Why? Should it been in General?-)
erlilo
"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> skrev i en meddelelse
news:42e051eb@linux...
> http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html
>Sorry, wayyyy offf topic but does anyone know a guitar player in Houston, TX
who would be interested in playing in a Praise and Worship band? I need one
BAD.FWIW,
I recently bought off eBay, a Mytek Stereo DAC 96k and it makes even mp3s
purr...
El Miguel
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:42df078f$1@linux...
>
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >Kim,
> >
> >Don't you use a MEC i/o or 442?
>
> Indeed... both in fact, hence for Paris I could use these for my SPDIF
I/O.
> The soundcard's digital I/O would be more for Wavelab, and/or for whatever
> else I use the box for. I plan for the machine to have multiple boots, and
> under one of them it may end up as my jukebox/media centre, hence a
digital
> output would allow me to run an external DAC in the future for my casual
> listening... ...of course a quality DAC is kinda wasted on MP3's, but
> still. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.> I still say that mobo is about the most solid thing I've ever put
together.
Your recommendation and the url to the mobo above was most welcome
last year.
El Miguel
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:42dbce94@linux...
> I still say that mobo is about the most solid thing I've ever put
together.
> Still using mine, and added another for my live band's usage.. zero
> problems. Paris is a 1900+ and the other a 2200+. My only regret is that I
> could never find the firewire capable model in stock anywhere.
>
> AA
>
>
>
> "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:42dbbe3b@linux...
> > Last year I rebuilt Paris reliable with the older Asus A7S333 mobo.
> >
> > http://www.actbuy.com/details.asp?item=AS04A7S333 Under $60 usd.
> >
> > AMD Athlon XPs w 266mhz FSB (not Sempron or AMD64).
> >
> > Decent ram and a hefty p/s 450watt or higher.
> >
> > I still want to beef up the processor but will have to wait for now.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > El Miguel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:42d77ee8@linux...
> >> The "old" ones with PCI ver.2.2 sockets are the ones to go for with
> >> Paris,
> >> for the most with AMD processors but Intel will do the job well too.
Asus
> >> and Epox are good names but I think most of them can do the job with
> >> nForce2, VIA or SIS chipsets for PCI 2.2 cards. A card like Matrox
> >> Millenium G450 or 550 will do the graphical job well but I know cards
> >> with
> >> ATI or NVidia chips will do it too. 512MB RAM of good quality, 2 IDE
> >> harddisks, Maxtor, Seagate or WD, 40/160 MB, a DVD/CD burner and an ATX
> >> power supply 400/550w. Most of these things are in regular use here, so
> > it's
> >> more to find out what you will use and can get easily. You can find out
> > more
> >> on internet.
> >> Most of these firms are using their names on internet as www.epox.com
> >>
> >> erlilo
> >>
> >> "Spappy" <Spappy122@yahoo.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> >> news:42d70819$1@linux...
> >> >I think you guys are right. This computer is way to lame. I need to
> >> >build
> > a
> >> >new one.
> >> >
> >> > So can you guys give me a list of components that work well with
Paris,
> > I
> >> > can have it built but I need a list of components.
> >> >
> >> > Like Mother Board... etc
> >> >
> >> > I plan to use a a wave terminal 192x for sound as I have many virtual
> >> > instruments.
> >> >
> >> > Spappy
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Nice, aren't they? You get great converters and a great clock as well.
"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:42e0f64a$1@linux...
> FWIW,
>
> I recently bought off eBay, a Mytek Stereo DAC 96k and it makes even mp3s
> purr...
>
>
> El Miguel
>
>
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in messa
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ge news:42df078f$1@linux...
> >
> > "Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >Kim,
> > >
> > >Don't you use a MEC i/o or 442?
> >
> > Indeed... both in fact, hence for Paris I could use these for my SPDIF
> I/O.
> > The soundcard's digital I/O would be more for Wavelab, and/or for
whatever
> > else I use the box for. I plan for the machine to have multiple boots,
and
> > under one of them it may end up as my jukebox/media centre, hence a
> digital
> > output would allow me to run an external DAC in the future for my casual
> > listening... ...of course a quality DAC is kinda wasted on MP3's, but
> > still. ;o)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kim.
>
>Pretty much leaves no doubt who's paying the highest price to bring freedom
to Iraq. Oh shit, now I've done it! ;>)
Tony
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:42e0a49a@linux...
> Why? Should it been in General?-)
>
> erlilo
>
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:42e051eb@linux...
>> http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html
>>
>
>Just spent two days working in Digital Performer and I have only this to
say:
I LOVE PARIS!
GanttIn all fairness to DP, it was a classical piano piece w/ a lot of rubato
and
retards, so we didn't use a click. The client wanted to be able to change
the key and she wasn't sure what key she needed, so I needed to record
MIDI.
Sequencing without a time reference is probably not a strong point for any
sequencing program...
Gantt
Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Just spent two days working in Digital Performer and I have only this to
> say:
>
> I LOVE PARIS!
>
> GanttI've been using DP for about six months for midi and VSTi stuff, then
transferring the files over to PARIS. I'm sure some of it's just that I'm
not used to DP, but I can edit and mix at least 10 times faster in PARIS.
It's just so intuitive. At least for me. Plus, she sounds better IMHO. The
old gal won't be retiring any time soon.
Tony
"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
news:42E1464C.98E76879@his.com...
> In all fairness to DP, it was a classical piano piece w/ a lot of rubato
> and
> retards, so we didn't use a click. The client wanted to be able to change
> the key and she wasn't sure what key she needed, so I needed to record
> MIDI.
>
> Sequencing without a time reference is probably not a strong point for any
> sequencing program...
>
> Gantt
>
> Gantt Kushner wrote:
>
>> Just spent two days working in Digital Performer and I have only this to
>> say:
>>
>> I LOVE PARIS!
>>
>> Gantt
>Yup... I edit about 10 times faster in Paris than DP or Protools too,
Gantt
Tony Benson wrote:
> I've been using DP for about six months for midi and VSTi stuff, then
> transferring the files over to PARIS. I'm sure some of it's just that I'm
> not used to DP, but I can edit and mix at least 10 times faster in PARIS.
> It's just so intuitive. At least for me. Plus, she sounds better IMHO. The
> old gal won't be retiring any time soon.
>
> Tony
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> news:42E1464C.98E76879@his.com...
> > In all fairness to DP, it was a classical piano piece w/ a lot of rubato
> > and
> > retards, so we didn't use a click. The client wanted to be able to change
> > the key and she wasn't sure what key she needed, so I needed to record
> > MIDI.
> >
> > Sequencing without a time reference is probably not a strong point for any
> > sequencing program...
> >
> > Gantt
> >
> > Gantt Kushner wrote:
> >
> >> Just spent two days working in Digital Performer and I have only this to
> >> say:
> >>
> >> I LOVE PARIS!
> >>
> >> Gantt
> >I've been getting into the Paris editor more and more myself. Powerful
stuff.
;o)
"Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
news:42E17134.45CDDA72@his.com...
> Yup... I edit about 10 times faster in Paris than DP or Protools too,
>
> Gantt
>
> Tony Benson wrote:
>
> > I've been using DP for about six months for midi and VSTi stuff, then
> > transferring the files over to PARIS. I'm sure some of it's just that
I'm
> > not used to DP, but I can edit and mix at least 10 times faster in
PARIS.
> > It's just so intuitive. At least for me. Plus, she sounds better IMHO.
The
> > old gal won't be retiring any time soon.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > "Gantt Kushner" <gizmo@his.com> wrote in message
> > news:42E1464C.98E76879@his.com...
> > > In all fairness to DP, it was a classical piano piece w/ a lot of
rubato
> > > and
> > > retards, so we didn't use a click. The client wanted to be able to
change
> > > the key and she wasn't sure what key she needed, so I needed to record
> > > MIDI.
> > >
> > > Sequencing without a time reference is probably not a strong point for
any
> > > sequencing program...
> > >
> > > Gantt
> > >
> > > Gantt Kushner wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just spent two days working in Digital Performer and I have only this
to
> > >> say:
> > >>
> > >> I LOVE PARIS!
> > >>
> > >> Gantt
> > >
>Anyone know what Paris error 61/3d is?
This is not my Paris rig.
Gene"Miguel Vigil" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>I recently bought off eBay, a Mytek Stereo DAC 96k and it makes even mp3s
>purr...
Well that is nice to know. :o)
I'm currently looking into setting up a Linux Media Centre running Freevo
perhaps. Could be nice to have a nice convertor hanging off it. :o)
Cheers,
Kim.Ok, I'll let you in on my secret..sheesh..I just scoop a bit of mu
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> they'll make a hardware version so they won't? then again, couple
> that with auto tune or melodyne and i could be the next billy
> idol...remember, xmas is just around the corner unky D.
>
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 01:32:34 -0600, "DJ"
> <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >http://www.antarestech.com/products/avox.html
> >
>I'm still sticking to 44.1/48k as most of my work is composing, arranging,
and production - quite difficult to run 96k on projects with large
orchestral libraries, samplers and softsynths that already tax my PC to it's
limit. I do plan, and need to start moving to 96k soon, at least for
acoustic recordings. I'm looking into building an Athlon X2 before I do
much with it though. Compatibility is still up in the air for motherboards
and X2's right now (esp. with UAD-1s).
Regards,
Dedric
On 7/23/05 10:28 PM, in article 42e318fb@linux, "DJ"
<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> I'll bet some of you have probably done this already, but I'm been curious
> for years about the *real deal* with native DAWs at 96kHz vs Paris at
> 44.1kHz. I've heard 96kHz recordings done in both Nuendo and ProTools HD but
> I've just never been able to get them into some sort of A/B situation in my
> own studio. I've got Mytek 96kHz A/D converter here and I've spent part of
> the day getting this happening in a situation where I can actually track to
> SX and achieve a hi rez D/A conversion so I can use my headphone monitoring
> system in a real life tracking scenario. I've also purchased an RME
> Multiface and PCI card which will be integrated into the dual DAW situation
> I've got going here and will also provide me the capability of doing limited
> (10 tracks simultaneously) tracking sessions at 96kHz - gotta' be able to
> advertize this. I'm one of two studios that can't do hi rez and I feel like
> I need the capability, if for no other reason than to just say that I can.
> I've also got DVD authoring capabilities in Wavelab 5.0. I'm real curious to
> know if it's really *that much better* than Paris at 44.1, both in a
> scenario where I am t
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