| At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54740] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 12:39  |
DavidLee
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> >> and not into drugs, socialism and free love). A lot of the friends of
> my
> >> Mexican friends were going to European universities and I met quite a
> few
> >of
> >> them and quite a few of their european friends who were my age and
would
> >> travel with them on holiday. We became well acquainted and we shared a
> lot
> >> in common with our political philosophies which were becoming
increasing
> >> leftist-leaning. It is ironic that the children of priviledge were the
> >ones
> >> who most despised the systems that allowed them those priviledges.
> >>
> >> In early 1970 I moved to Los Angeles because I wanted to get away from
> >> Texas, go to school out there and be a part of the California scene. My
> >> uncle was a business partn
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| Re: At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54744 is a reply to message #54742] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 15:56  |
Rod Lincoln
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home in Austin after one of my trips to Zipolite and we watched the
events
> >> unfold at Tienamen Square on television. They were having some bad drug
> >> problems even then. They are both kind, intelligent victims of the
social
> >> experiment that is
> >> happening there.
> >>
> >> http://www.greatvavavoom.com/stories/storyReader$56
> >>
> >> This link is also descriptive of how this place has evolved and what
> the
> >> place was like the last time I was there.
> >>
> >> http://community-2.webtv.net/ivanjay/IVANJSNAVELYHOMEPORT/
> >>
> >> more to come......
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Doug
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "derek" <derekvonkrogh@gmx.net> wrote in message news:42d45df1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > maybe im missing the irony or some linguistic fineprint,
> >> > but as far as im concerned, doug, no i dont understand you.
> >> > reading the stereotype BS you spread, im frankly shocked,
> >> > thats pretty much all there is to it. i definetly dont recognize you.
> >> >
> >> > maybe its because im a european hypocrite sitting on my ass or
> >something.
> >> > cause thats the way we are, we "euros", right?
> >> >
> >> > *shakes head in disbelief*
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Mr Simplicity" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote:
> >> >
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| Re: At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54748 is a reply to message #54744] |
Sun, 19 June 2005 18:55 |
Deej [3]
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;> It really frustrates me that as I look around those
events,
> >> > >> >> >politically,
> >> > >> >> >> >>> every country pretty much seemed to be in it for their
> own
> >> > >agenda,
> >> > >> >> and
> >> > >> >> >> >not
> >> > >> >> >> >>> for peace. Indeed the same could be said for much of the
> >> public.
> >> > >> It
> >> > >> >> >was
> >> > >> >> >> >>obviouly
> >> > >> >> >> >>> sold as anti-terror because GWB & co didn't think "free
> >Iraq
> >> > >from
> >> > >> >> >tyranny"
> >> > >> >> >> >>> would sell because, simply put, a lot of the public
don't
> >> seem
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> >> care
> >> > >> >> >> >if
> >> > >> >> >> >>> others in some other country miles away suffer, so you
> have
> >> > to
> >> > >> tell
> >> > >> >> >them
> >> > >> >> >> >>> that Iraq pose a threat. See, if GWB hadn't lied about
> that
> >> > I
> >> > >> >*almost*
> >> > >> >> >> >>would
> >> > >> >> >> >>> have been on his side... though I still couldn't have
> >> stomached
> >> > >> >that
> >> > >> >> >> >as
> >> > >> >> >> >>> he was, to my mind, clearly in it for the oil. I think
> if
> >the
> >> > >U.S.
> >> > >> >> had
> >> > >> >> >> >>waited
> >> > >> >> >> >>> a little longer, and put a little more pressue on the
U.N.
> >> that
> >> > >> >> >eventually
> >> > >> >> >> >>> the U.N. would have gotten more behind it. I think GWB
> & co
> >
> >> > >> >actually
> >> > >> >> >> >>*didn't
> >> > >> >> >> >>> want* the U.N. behind them, because by going alone they
> >could
> >> > be
> >> > >> in
> >> > >> >> >> >>charge,
> >
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| Re: At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54762 is a reply to message #54759] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 09:58 |
EK Sound
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non-judgmentalism and defiance of the rule of law/politial
>anarchism.
>> >>
>> >> While I was in school, I ran into a few old acquaintances. They were
>the
>> >> rich children of some of the people my dad had been doing business
with
>> in
>> >> Mexico. They were going to universtity in the states and were, like
me,
>> >> angry, into the counterculture and we renewed our friendships. I
>started
>> >> going down to Mexico with them on school holidays and we would travel
>> to
>> >> places which were pretty unbelievable. Like paradises which were mostly
>> >> untouched by human beings (except of course, the local Indians, who
>were
>> >not
>> >> really considered to be human by anyone, including these *enlightened*
>> >young
>> >> Mexican revolutionaries-the Indians weren't cool. They were
>> >traditionalists
>> >> and not into drugs, socialism and free love). A lot of the friends
of
>> my
>> >> Mexican friends were going to European universities and I met quite
a
>> few
>> >of
>> >> them and quite a few of their european friends who were my age and
>would
>> >> travel with them on holiday. We became well acquainted and we shared
a
>> lot
>> >> in common with our political philosophies which were becoming
>increasing
>> >> leftist-leaning. It is ironic that the children of priviledge were
the
>> >ones
>> >> who most despised the systems that allowed them those priviledges.
>> >>
>> >> In early 1970 I moved to Los Angeles because I wanted to get away from
>> >> Texas, go to school out there and be a part of the California scene.
My
>> >> uncle was a business partner with a big television star from Texas,
had
>> a
>> >> big house and invited me to live with them while I established myself.
>> >> During the time I was there, I met quite a few of the folks in the
film<
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| Re: At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54765 is a reply to message #54762] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 10:09 |
Deej [3]
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;> >> might not be so great. Non-judgmentalism was sooooooo *uncool*.
>> >>
>> >> I continued to participate as as activist in all of the *causes du
>jour*
>> I
>> >> supported gay rights and the *women's movement* (I loved the moving
>women)
>> >> and celebrated when birth control pills became available and abortions
>> >> became legal. I was active in the democratic party, watched as the
>various
>> >> power brokers emerged in that party to *take care of* the Afro American
>> >> citizens
>> >> and Mexican American farm workers. I had been gassed in anti-war
>protests
>> >> and had my feet firmly planted in the *hate America* movement.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, by 1973 I had graduated from my college studies with a major
>> >degree
>> >> in political science with minor studies in psychology and economics.
>This
>> >> liberal arts education didn't really qualify me for any kind of career
>> >path
>> >> but I was young, invincible, resourceful and I figured if I knew my
>way
>> >> around these things, I could pretty much make my way in the world.
>> >>
>> >> The first thing I did was to take some time and go back down to Mexico.
>> I
>> >> didn't want to be part of America anymore and I had seen a place during
>> my
>> >> travels down there where I thought I might be happy. It was a deserted
>> >place
>> >> with a *feeling* about it. I can't describe it, but others who I have
>> met
>> >> there who are more travelled than I am tell me they feel the same kind
>> of
>> >> *energy* there that they have felt in places like Jerusalem, Katmandhu,
>> >> Mecca and other locations which are considered to be religious
>> >destinations.
>> >> In 1973, it was just a deserted beach with a little store owned by
a
>> >Zapotec
>> >> Indian named Ramon Aguilar Villalobos and this exended family, two
of
>> >which
>> >> were his in-laws, Manuel and Maria who basically founded this small
>> >village
>> >> back in the early 20th century and were very old. I spent a good part
>> of
>> >my
>> >> life in this place and lived with this family during those times from
>> 1973
>> >> until 1990. Unfortunately, this place is nothing like it used to be
and
>> >now
>> >> even has websites dedicated to it, but I guess that's part of the story
>> >> about thie place.
>> &
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| Re: At long last....everything WORKS.... [message #54772 is a reply to message #54765] |
Mon, 20 June 2005 16:55 |
emarenot
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d to get real
>proactive
>> >> > with
>> >> > >> >their
>> >> > >> >> >own. There's some pretty Hitlerian dialog going on in Holland
>> >these
>> >> > >days
>> >> > >> >> >about how to clean up the *Islamic problem*. It's funny about
>> how
>> >> > the
>> >> > >> >Euro's
>> >> > >> >> >whine and bitch about how unfair and awful war is, then when
>> the
>> >> chips
>> >> > >> >are
>> >> > >> >> >down.......bingo!!!!!! let's sit around on our collective
>asses
>> >and
>> >> > >watch
>> >> > >> >> >the Serbs dio a little ethnic housekeeping........oh shit!!!!
>> >> > >> >.......those
>> >> > >> >> >meddling Americans came along and saved the Muslims and
>spoiled
>> >all
>> >> > >our
>> >> > >> >> >fun.............but hell, let's go visit our buddy Sadaam
and
>> >pick
>> >> > up
>> >> > >> a
>> >> > >> >> few
>> >> > >> >> >million barrells of oil while we're there. Those kids who
are
>> >dying
>> >> > of
>> >> > >> >> >starvation and disease due to our turning a blind eye to his
>> >> > >violations
>> >> > >> >> of
>> >> > >> >> >UN sanctions won't care. Hell, they're too busy swatting the
>> >flies
>> >> > off
>> >> > >> >their
>> >> > >> >> >festering wounds and running to the crapper with
>> >> disentery.........and
>> >> > >> >just
>> >> > >> >> >maybe while we're there we get lucky in a rape room. Whaddaya
>> say
>> >> > >guys?
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >The hypocracy is just unbelievable.
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >
>> >> > >> >> >"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message
>news:42cf19b3$1@linux...
>> >> > >> >> >>
>> >> > >> >> >> Your whole line of thought, if correct - especially your
3rd
>> &
>> >> > >> >> >> 4th paragraphs - would mean that Bush is one of the most
>evil
>> >> > >> >> >> sonsofbeeatches ever to walk the face of the earth. I find
>> it
>> >> > >> >> >> hard to believe that in ANY free society, that could be
the
>> >> > >> >> >> case. Dictatorships, yeah, free societies, nah.
>> >> &g
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