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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87161 is a reply to message #87148] |
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87182 is a reply to message #87168] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 14:33 |
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87196 is a reply to message #87193] |
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------=_NextPart_000_004E_01C7C78C.3222AA70--Dave Have you had a chance to compare the 6328's to the Dynaudio's or Adam's?
I have heard some positive comments about the 6328's and have been thinking
about getting some (I have Mackie 824's right now)
Rod
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>Avoid the 4300 series JBL's (the ones with the level meter
>on the bottom)... I A/B'd them against several monitors and
>they came in dead last... horrible imaging and a weird mid
>response. I ended up choosing the 6328's though... go figure.
>
>http://www.focalprofessional.com/en/products/tween6Be.html
>
>Not cheap, but they sound really good... *almost* went with
>them... but we got terms from JBL on a large order so that's
>why we ended up with the LSR's.
>
>David.
>
>Wayne Carson wrote:
>
>> My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>
>> Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>
>> JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>
>> Adam A7 $999pr
>>
>> DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>
>> Event ASP6 $999pr
>>
>> Focal Twin6
>>
>> Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>
>> I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>
>> JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>> horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
>> mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>
>> Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>> www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>
>> DynAudio: Unknown.
>>
>> Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
>> quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>
>> Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I
can
>> not find any data.
>>
>> Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
>> I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz (upper
>> mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
I'm
>> not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>
>>
>> I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
6".
>> I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible. Anybody
>> using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only because
of
>> Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above monitors.
>> I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on the
inputs
>> I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound. I
want
>> it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
>> reference monitors.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Wayne Carson
>> Paris user since '97
>>
>>Its not blasphemy...but...
I have a couple of DAW options including Paris and I can always strip back
if I run into trouble.
It is very rare for me to have someone standing over me that pays the bills
so I have freedom to experiment and the only risk is lost time. Experimentation
tends to be one of the casualties of modern record production as most people
look to keep costs low and efficiency high. I like to play.
Most of the time even my most convoluted rigs work fine if I stay within
known limitations.
Gene
"wireline" <nospamken@wirelinestudionospam.com> wrote:
>
>I know its blasphemy...but...
>
>At some point the intricacies of relying on digital connection, innumerable
>ADDA, etc., seem to fall into the realm of major risk taking...
>
>Again, just an opinion, but even with the wart infested Samp 9, having a
>dedicated console eliminates almost ALL routing issues...true zero latency
>monitoring, effects to cue sends, and no drivers to worry about...
>
>Just food for thought...
>I still love mixing on my NS10s--the key is power--
put a 50 watt a side amp on them and they suck--put 250 a side on
them and they come to life. Dial in an inexpensive sub with them and you
have a really sweet setup...I never have problems at mastering time...
"wireline" <kennospam@wirelinestudio.com> wrote:
>
>My opinion only, so take it all with the proverbial grain of salt...
>
>Nothing on your list of possibilities will provide a more viable mixing
system
>than what you already have, NS10s...I have heard all of your possibilities
>except the focals, and mostly agree with your assessments of the shortfalls...each
>of the systems mentioned IMO lacks sufficient bass and overall system clarity
>- enough that your mixes really won't be any better as a result of spending
>a lot of cash, but they will be different.
>
>If you are wanting something deadly accurate, you will likely be spending
>a much bigger chunk of change...If given a chance, you may want to consider
>a used set of JBL 4311, Altec Model 19, Urei Time Aligned, Tannoy Golds,
>or some other mid field monitors - these boxes all have their own quirks,
>but seem to be less forgiving (thus causing you to be more accurate)
>
>There again, I like mixing with Radio Shack Minimum 7s...
>
>
>
>"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote:
>>My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>
>>Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>
>>JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>
>>Adam A7 $999pr
>>
>>DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>
>>Event ASP6 $999pr
>>
>>Focal Twin6
>>
>>Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>
>>I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>
>>JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>
>>horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
>
>>mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>
>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>
>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>
>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
>
>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>
>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I
can
>
>>not find any data.
>>
>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
>
>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz (upper
>
>>mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
>I'm
>>not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>
>>
>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
>6".
>>I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible. Anybody
>
>>using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only because
>of
>>Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above monitors.
>
>>I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on the inputs
>
>>I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound. I want
>
>>it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
>>reference monitors.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Wayne Carson
>>Paris user since '97
>>
>>
>Love my Mackie 824s... but everything I've heard that Adam makes sounds
fabulous.
CLI would agree with this if you have the original "made in USA" ones...
The newer made in China ones are a mere shadow of their predecessor...
not even close.
David.
Sarah wrote:
> We really like our Mackie HR824s. Couple of local engineer/producer types
> bought them after hearing ours over here. Actually, one of them borrowed
> them first so he could hear them in his studio, then he bought some.
> Apparently, they're famous for their wide "sweet spot". Personally, I have
> no basis for comparison, I just think they sound real purty, and they seem
> to impress people.
>
> S
>
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:469ae3a9@linux...
>
>>My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>
>>Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>
>>JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>
>>Adam A7 $999pr
>>
>>DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>
>>Event ASP6 $999pr
>>
>>Focal Twin6
>>
>>Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>
>>I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>
>>JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>>horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
>>mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>
>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>
>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>
>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>
>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I can
>>not find any data.
>>
>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
>>(upper mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them
>>and I'm not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>
>>
>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
>>6". I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
>>Anybody using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only
>>because of Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the
>>above monitors. I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying
>>heavily on the inputs I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite
>>"anal" about sound. I want it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can
>>mix it if I get true reference monitors.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Wayne Carson
>>Paris user since '97
>>
>
>
>Hey Rod,
I have not tried them side by side with the Adam's, so a comparison
would be loosely based on my memory.. (you do NOT want to go there! ;-) )
Something has always bugged me about the Adam's I have heard though...
they seem a tad "artificial" sounding to me. I have not played
seriously with the Dynaudio's so I can't comment on them. ATC also
makes some really nice smaller monitors that I client of mine has, but
they are over the Focals in price.
The M.A.P. on the Focal Twin 6be is $1595.00 CAD each... That's about
$2700 US a pair at the moment.
It has taken a little while to become really comfortable with the
6328's, but I am quite happy with them now for what we do. They seem
to be a great fit for the room... and they can get REALLY loud if need
be for the clients. :-)
David.
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> Dave Have you had a chance to compare the 6328's to the Dynaudio's or Adam's?
> I have heard some positive comments about the 6328's and have been thinking
> about getting some (I have Mackie 824's right now)
> Rod
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Avoid the 4300 series JBL's (the ones with the level meter
>>on the bottom)... I A/B'd them against several monitors and
>>they came in dead last... horrible imaging and a weird mid
>>response. I ended up choosing the 6328's though... go figure.
>>
>>http://www.focalprofessional.com/en/products/tween6Be.html
>>
>>Not cheap, but they sound really good... *almost* went with
>>them... but we got terms from JBL on a large order so that's
>>why we ended up with the LSR's.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Wayne Carson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>>
>>>Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>>
>>>JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>>
>>>Adam A7 $999pr
>>>
>>>DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>>
>>>Event ASP6 $999pr
>>>
>>>Focal Twin6
>>>
>>>Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>>
>>>I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>>
>>>JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>
>
>>>horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
>
>
>>>mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>>
>>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>>
>>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>>
>>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
>
>
>>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>>
>>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I
>
> can
>
>>>not find any data.
>>>
>>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
>
>
>>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz (upper
>
>
>>>mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
>
> I'm
>
>>>not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
>
> 6".
>
>>>I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible. Anybody
>
>
>>>using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only because
>
> of
>
>>>Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above monitors.
>
>
>>>I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on the
>
> inputs
>
>>>I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound. I
>
> want
>
>>>it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
>>>reference monitors.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>Wayne Carson
>>>Paris user since '97
>>>
>>>
>
>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5023http://www.studiodevil.com/home.htmWow! Such a variety. Great inputs.
NS10s - John, can you recommend an amp? Quiet, clean, reference and cool
(minimal heat) pushing 200w per side. I'm using an Alesis RA-100 now with
just 75watts per side. It's quiet and cool.
Dyna's - Dedric/Neil/Chas thanks. I'm is a situation that I'm up against a
wall and side wall. The worst possible place, but I have Aurolex foam and
bass traps in every possible corner. I've got a pretty tight sound with
minimal reflections and at least the ceiling is high. See photo. Rear
ported is probably out of the running now.
JBL's/Focal - thanks Dave.
Mackie - thanks Sarah/Bill/Chris
Thanks wireline.
I'm heading to Sam Ash and GC now for a listen test. SA has a room to
listen, GC does not. I'll let you know what I hear.
Wayne
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:469ae3a9@linux...
> My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
> Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
> JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
> Adam A7 $999pr
> DynAudio BM5A $999pr
> Event ASP6 $999pr
> Focal Twin6
> Mackie HR824 $1200pr
> I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>
> JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
> horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
> mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>
> Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
> www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>
> DynAudio: Unknown.
>
> Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
> quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>
> Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I can
> not find any data.
>
> Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
> I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
> (upper
> mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
> I'm
> not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>
>
> I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
> 6".
> I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
> Anybody
> using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only because of
> Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above monitors.
> I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on the
> inputs
> I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound. I want
> it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
> reference monitors.
>
> Thanks.
> Wayne Carson
> Paris user since '97
>
>
Wayne if you can track down a pair of NotePerfect Alpha or Alpha Pro's to
audition do so...you might be pleasantly surprised
If you contact Mike Kontor in Australia he will probably do a try before you
buy deal...of course your cost will be shipping to and from Australia but it
might be worth it.
In terms of comparison they are very similar in size to the B&W 805's with a
freq response very close to the 804's
Don
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
news:469ae3a9@linux...
> My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>
> Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>
> JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>
> Adam A7 $999pr
>
> DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>
> Event ASP6 $999pr
>
> Focal Twin6
>
> Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>
> I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>
> JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
> horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
> mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>
> Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
> www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>
> DynAudio: Unknown.
>
> Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
> quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>
> Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I can
> not find any data.
>
> Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
> I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
> (upper mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them
> and I'm not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>
>
> I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
> 6". I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
> Anybody using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only
> because of Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the
> above monitors. I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying
> heavily on the inputs I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite
> "anal" about sound. I want it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can
> mix it if I get true reference monitors.
>
> Thanks.
> Wayne Carson
> Paris user since '97
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.studiodevil.com/home.htm
Some free VSTi's
http://rekkerd.org/dsk-vstiIf that is a pic of your control room, you have some work to do....
With one monitor in the corner like that, you will never get good imaging.
For the NS10's find a good used Hafler or Yamaha 2200 series amp. If
you get the Yamaha, have it re-capped.
David.
Wayne Carson wrote:
> Wow! Such a variety. Great inputs.
>
> NS10s - John, can you recommend an amp? Quiet, clean, reference and cool
> (minimal heat) pushing 200w per side. I'm using an Alesis RA-100 now with
> just 75watts per side. It's quiet and cool.
>
> Dyna's - Dedric/Neil/Chas thanks. I'm is a situation that I'm up against a
> wall and side wall. The worst possible place, but I have Aurolex foam and
> bass traps in every possible corner. I've got a pretty tight sound with
> minimal reflections and at least the ceiling is high. See photo. Rear
> ported is probably out of the running now.
>
> JBL's/Focal - thanks Dave.
>
> Mackie - thanks Sarah/Bill/Chris
>
> Thanks wireline.
>
> I'm heading to Sam Ash and GC now for a listen test. SA has a room to
> listen, GC does not. I'll let you know what I hear.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:469ae3a9@linux...
>
>>My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>Adam A7 $999pr
>>DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>Event ASP6 $999pr
>>Focal Twin6
>>Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>
>>JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>>horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a calibration
>>mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>
>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>
>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>
>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were blown
>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>
>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I can
>>not find any data.
>>
>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative feedback,
>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
>>(upper
>>mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
>>I'm
>>not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>
>>
>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
>>6".
>>I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
>>Anybody
>>using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only because of
>>Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above monitors.
>>I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on the
>>inputs
>>I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound. I want
>>it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
>>reference monitors.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>Wayne Carson
>>Paris user since '97
>>
>>
>
>
>Thanks, Chuck
I will give a try and see what happens.
Thanks, David
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hi David,
>
>The only things in paris that I know of that uses MFC (microsoft foundation
>classes) is the effects subsystem and (possibly) the driver.
>
>With that said, almost everything else in windows uses MFC in one way or
>another. It's very rare for that .dll not to be present.
>
>Anyway, I placed a copy of the file at
>
>http://file.youchill.com/Misc/mfc71.zip
>
>Download, unzip and place a copy in the c:\windows\system32 directory. This
>may lead to warnings of more missing files, but if you let me know I can
>supply.
>
>Chuck
>
>
>"David" <crosscreekrecording@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>I failed to mention on my other post below that everytime that I launch
>paris
>>this error comes up(application has failed to start because mfc71.dll was
>>not found, re-intalling app might fix) re-installing many times did not
>fix.
>>I can click on the ok button and paris however does continue and load.
Just
>>wondering if this is the cultprit on the other problems I am having. Sometimes
>>upon launching paris error init paris engine comes says no interface connected
>>to master card. I can relaunch and it will launch 5-6 times without the
>no
>>interface error appearing.thanks david
>Saw that.. Nice update and free..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>http://sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5023I have three speakers,the Mackie 804's,The NS 10's AND the Dynaudio
BM5MkII.(with sub-woofer)..They are all useful in their own way...my room is
the problem...I have it treated as much as possible,but it's never
perfect.The Tannoys(the oval ones) sound amazing ! but not cheap.. I think
I would go with the Dynaudios if I had only one...they really rock..
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:469ba426$1@linux...
> Wayne if you can track down a pair of NotePerfect Alpha or Alpha Pro's to
> audition do so...you might be pleasantly surprised
>
> If you contact Mike Kontor in Australia he will probably do a try before
you
> buy deal...of course your cost will be shipping to and from Australia but
it
> might be worth it.
>
> In terms of comparison they are very similar in size to the B&W 805's with
a
> freq response very close to the 804's
>
> Don
>
>
> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:469ae3a9@linux...
> > My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
> >
> > Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
> >
> > JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
> >
> > Adam A7 $999pr
> >
> > DynAudio BM5A $999pr
> >
> > Event ASP6 $999pr
> >
> > Focal Twin6
> >
> > Mackie HR824 $1200pr
> >
> > I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
> >
> > JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
> > horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a
calibration
> > mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
> >
> > Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
> > www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
> >
> > DynAudio: Unknown.
> >
> > Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were
blown
> > quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
> >
> > Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I
can
> > not find any data.
> >
> > Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative
feedback,
> > I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
> > (upper mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about
them
> > and I'm not sure I want Mackie speakers.
> >
> >
> > I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
> > 6". I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
> > Anybody using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only
> > because of Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the
> > above monitors. I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying
> > heavily on the inputs I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite
> > "anal" about sound. I want it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I
can
> > mix it if I get true reference monitors.
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Wayne Carson
> > Paris user since '97
> >
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:469b8014$1@linux...
>
> Its not blasphemy...but...
>
> I have a couple of DAW options including Paris and I can always strip back
> if I run into trouble.
>
> It is very rare for me to have someone standing over me that pays the
> bills
> so I have freedom to experiment and the only risk is lost time.
> Experimentation
> tends to be one of the casualties of modern record production as most
> people
> look to keep costs low and efficiency high. I like to play.
>
> Most of the time even my most convoluted rigs work fine if I stay within
> known limitations.
>
> Gene
>
Limitations???....there are limitations???
;oDDave,
Yes, this is what I am working with. I agree, it's far . . . . (echo . .
echo . . echo) . . . from ideal.
I am cautious with the corner monitor. The monitor on the left is noticably
more open sounding and the monitor stuck in the corner is considerably
boom'ier. I consciously need to compensate for that.
However, all that Aurolex has made a big difference. I've got 5 bass traps
in this corner. Things are much tighter.
Wayne
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:469ba761$1@linux...
> If that is a pic of your control room, you have some work to do.... With
> one monitor in the corner like that, you will never get good imaging.
>
> For the NS10's find a good used Hafler or Yamaha 2200 series amp. If you
> get the Yamaha, have it re-capped.
>
> David.
>
> Wayne Carson wrote:
>
>> Wow! Such a variety. Great inputs.
>>
>> NS10s - John, can you recommend an amp? Quiet, clean, reference and cool
>> (minimal heat) pushing 200w per side. I'm using an Alesis RA-100 now
>> with just 75watts per side. It's quiet and cool.
>>
>> Dyna's - Dedric/Neil/Chas thanks. I'm is a situation that I'm up against
>> a wall and side wall. The worst possible place, but I have Aurolex foam
>> and bass traps in every possible corner. I've got a pretty tight sound
>> with minimal reflections and at least the ceiling is high. See photo.
>> Rear ported is probably out of the running now.
>>
>> JBL's/Focal - thanks Dave.
>>
>> Mackie - thanks Sarah/Bill/Chris
>>
>> Thanks wireline.
>>
>> I'm heading to Sam Ash and GC now for a listen test. SA has a room to
>> listen, GC does not. I'll let you know what I hear.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:469ae3a9@linux...
>>
>>>My current system monitors. Yamaha NS-10M Studio.
>>>Here's what in play. All active, bi-amp'd, 6"woofers/1"tweeties.
>>>JBL LSR4326p $999pr includes cal mic
>>>Adam A7 $999pr
>>>DynAudio BM5A $999pr
>>>Event ASP6 $999pr
>>>Focal Twin6
>>>Mackie HR824 $1200pr
>>>I picked these monitors from the Sweetwater catalog. My concerns:
>>>
>>>JBL: My experience with main PA JBL's is an overbrightness/bite to the
>>>horns. This may not apply to studio monitors. It does have a
>>>calibration
>>>mic to set the speakers to the room vice tweaking the room.
>>>
>>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>>
>>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>>
>>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were
>>>blown
>>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>>
>>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company. I
>>>can
>>>not find any data.
>>>
>>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative
>>>feedback,
>>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
>>>(upper
>>>mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them and
>>>I'm
>>>not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of active
>>>6".
>>>I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
>>>Anybody
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k'd up. But one Adam was. I wish I could have
heard an Adam A/B in the same room as the other. See below.
At Sam Ash, every monitor is laid out in a nice room. Selection was
adaquate but not in every model I'm considering.
Differences I heard could very well be related to amp and EQ settings on the
back of each monitor, to which, GC was not customer friendly, but SA was.
Adam
at GC - Adam A11 - wow. I minimally heard a speaker or cabinet. I was
nearly pure music. A little soft, ie, felt so open that I'd fall in. I'm
not sure how this will translate. If the A7 is the same, I think I might go
this way.
at SA - not available. Bummer.
Genelec
at GC - 8020A 4" - Not so good. It was the only one hooked up. It sounded
very small and plastic.
at SA - 8040A 6.5" - Pretty nice. Usable but pricey at $1130 ea.
DynaBM5A
at GC - very nice imaging, rich sound, well balanced. Truely 1st place or
runner up against Adam.
at
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SA - ok, but a bit mushy and mid'ly. Possibly the settings.
Event ALP5
at GC - awfull. Sounded like a resonating plastic box.
at SA - better sound. Still sounded like a box.
Yamaha HS80M
at GC - none available
at SA - sounded just like my NS10s but beefier.
JBL LSR6300
at GC - not hooked up, neither was the LSR 4300.
at SA - pretty good sound. Full, yet the tweeter seemed thin.
Mackie HR824
at GC - not hook'd up. I did check the box AND these are made in CHINA.
at SA - somehow in all my excitement I missed A/B'ing. Guess I'm going
back.
Sincerely,
WayneWorse... I'm sending DJ there to re-wire your rig!
David.
Wayne Carson wrote:
> Dave,
>
> You're gonna slap me or worse but . . . it is the white woofer cone Studio
> NS-10M. I hit them with an extremely, extremely light coat of flat black
> spray paint years ago. I am almost 100% positive that I did NOT harm the
> cone or the tone.
>
> I've just completed my monitor A/B check at GC and SA. See new post. Mixing
> monitors A/B review.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:469bcfd1$1@linux...
>
>>Regardless of how much "foam" you put in, that environment is way too
>>lop-sided. You should consider re-arranging the space to provide more
>>accurate monitoring.
>>
>>Also, what model of NS10 is that? The reason I ask is that all the Yamaha
>>Studio versions had white woofer cones...
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Wayne Carson wrote:
>>
>>>Dave,
>>>
>>>Yes, this is what I am working with. I agree, it's far . . . . (echo . .
>>>echo . . echo) . . . from ideal.
>>>
>>>I am cautious with the corner monitor. The monitor on the left is
>>>noticably more open sounding and the monitor stuck in the corner is
>>>considerably boom'ier. I consciously need to compensate for that.
>>>
>>>However, all that Aurolex has made a big difference. I've got 5 bass
>>>traps in this corner. Things are much tighter.
>>>
>>>Wayne
>>>
>>>
>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:469ba761$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If that is a pic of your control room, you have some work to do.... With
>>>>one monitor in the corner like that, you will never get good imaging.
>>>>
>>>>For the NS10's find a good used Hafler or Yamaha 2200 series amp. If you
>>>>get the Yamaha, have it re-capped.
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Carson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Wow! Such a variety. Great inputs.
>>>>>
>>>>>NS10s - John, can you recommend an amp? Quiet, clean, reference and
>>>>>cool (minimal heat) pushing 200w per side. I'm using an Alesis RA-100
>>>>>now with just 75watts per side. It's quiet and cool.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dyna's - Dedric/Neil/Chas thanks. I'm is a situation that I'm up
>>>>>against a wall and side wall. The worst possible place, but I have
>>>>>Aurolex foam and bass traps in every possible corner. I've got a pretty
>>>>>tight sound with minimal reflections and at least the ceiling is high.
>>>>>See photo. Rear ported is probably out of the running now.
>>>>>
>>>>>JBL's/Focal - thanks Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mackie - thanks Sarah/Bill/Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks wireline.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm heading to Sam Ash and GC now for a listen test. SA has a room to
>>>>>listen, GC does not. I'll let you know what I hear.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:469bcfd1$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Regardless of how much "foam" you put in, that environment is way too
>>>>lop-sided. You should consider re-arranging the space to provide more
>>>>accurate monitoring.
>>>>
>>>>Also, what model of NS10 is that? The reason I ask is that all the
>>>>Yamaha Studio versions had white woofer cones...
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Wayne Carson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, this is what I am working with. I agree, it's far . . . . (echo
.
>>>>>. echo . . echo) . . . from ideal.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am cautious with the corner monitor. The monitor on the left is
>>>>>noticably more open sounding and the monitor stuck in the corner is
>>>>>considerably boom'ier. I consciously need to compensate for that.
>>>>>
>>>>>However, all that Aurolex has made a big difference. I've got 5 bass
>>>>>traps in this corner. Things are much tighter.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wayne
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:469ba761$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If that is a pic of your control room, you have some work to do....
>>>>>>With one monitor in the corner like that, you will never get good
>>>>>>imaging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For the NS10's find a good used Hafler or Yamaha 2200 series amp.
If
>>>>>>you get the Yamaha, have it re-capped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wayne Carson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow! Such a variety. Great inputs.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Adam: Recommended by Brad. I can't get on to their website.
>>>>>>>>www.adam-audio.com Site doesn't load.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DynAudio: Unknown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Event: Had a friends studio using low end Event monitors and were
>>>>>>>>blown
>>>>>>>>quite easily. Also the sound was muddy on bottom and thin on top.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Focal: Recommended by Dave. I don't anything about this company.
>>>>>>>>I can
>>>>>>>>not find any data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mackie: Not my 1st choice but if someone has positive/negative
>>>>>>>>feedback,
>>>>>>>>I'd appreciate it. From what I've recently learned about my 1604vlz
>>>>>>>>(upper
>>>>>>>>mid harshness and lower mid muddyness) I'm uncomfortable about them
>>>>>>>>and I'm
>>>>>>>>not sure I want Mackie speakers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm really looking to stay at the $999 price range for a pair of
>>>>>>>>active 6".
>>>>>>>>I would like zero colorization and a large sweet spot if possible.
>>>>>>>>Anybody
>>>>>>>>using any of the above? I'm leaning towards the Adams but only
>>>>>>>>because of
>>>>>>>>Brad. I'm sure I won't be able to listen to many of the above
>>>>>>>>monitors.
>>>>>>>>I may get lucky on one/maybe two at best. I'm relying heavily on
the
>>>>>>>>inputs
>>>>>>>>I recieve from this newsgroup. I too am quite "anal" about sound.
I
>>>>>>>>want
>>>>>>>>it clean, clear, deep and rich. I think I can mix it if I get true
>>>>>>>>reference monitors.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>>>Wayne Carson
>>>>>>>>Paris user since '97
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>Hi Wayne,
The Adams and Dynaudios are the best sounding in that that $1000/pr
range I've ever heard. The Yamaha NS10s have their place but they are
not made anymore and the new ones don't sound anything like the originals.
Chris
Wayne Carson wrote:
> I just finished listening at both Sam Ash and Guitar Center. Here's what I
> heard.
>
> As a caveat: GC just hooked up 8 monitors last week. They've never had an
> A/B setup prior to this. So, although I had some A/B'ing all in all a
> terrible setup. They stacked them by size, ie, the two biggest in the
> center, side by side, then smaller as you make your way outward 4 sets, and
> then the second row on top, same thing. Biggest in the middle side by side.
> Fortunately, the
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> nearly pure music. A little soft, ie, felt so open that I'd fall in. I'm
> not sure how this will translate. If the A7 is the same, I think I might go
> this way.
> at SA - not available. Bummer.
>
> Genelec
> at GC - 8020A 4" - Not so good. It was the only one hooked up. It sounded
> very small and plastic.
> at SA - 8040A 6.5" - Pretty nice. Usable but pricey at $1130 ea.
>
> DynaBM5A
> at GC - very nice imaging, rich sound, well balanced. Truely 1st place or
> runner up against Adam.
> at SA - ok, but a bit mushy and mid'ly. Possibly the settings.
>
> Event ALP5
> at GC - awfull. Sounded like a resonating plastic box.
> at SA - better sound. Still sounded like a box.
>
> Yamaha HS80M
> at GC - none available
> at SA - sounded just like my NS10s but beefier.
>
> JBL LSR6300
> at GC - not hooked up, neither was the LSR 4300.
> at SA - pretty good sound. Full, yet the tweeter seemed thin.
>
> Mackie HR824
> at GC - not hook'd up. I did check the box AND these are made in CHINA.
> at SA - somehow in all my excitement I missed A/B'ing. Guess I'm going
> back.
>
> Sincerely,
> Wayne
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comNeil/Dave,
Yes, that is a window to the left. Can't go farther to the left . . .
family reasons. Did you mean, flip-flop the keyboard and rack? Nuthin'
would change with the speaker placement.
What do you think if I moved the rack and turned the desk at a 45 degree to
the corner so that each monitor is equally spaced about 3' from the corner?
I know, I'm still in a corner, but at least it would be a better balance.
One monitor would be about half way along the left wall and the right
monitor would be approx where the rack currently is. Then stuff a bunch of
blankets behind the desk to fill up the void. I am pretty much stuck in
this corner and it does work quite well with the exception of the corner
speaker, so any more opinions on desk arrangements are welcome.
Thanks,
Wayne
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:469bdaeb$1@linux...
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> Dave's right - you really ought to see if you can rearrange your
> setup so that you can have at least some semblance of a
> bilaterally symmetrical front end there. What's off to the left
> of that monitor over there? Is that a window frame? Better to
> have glass behind there & have to throw some foam over that than
> have one tight corner like you have on the right & one open wall
> like you have on the left... what if you reversed the wing on
> your table, so that the surface where your keyboard sits is off
> to your right & that rack 'o stuff is off to your left? Would
> that allow you to get the monitors more centered in the room?
> Unless that's some custom-made & glued-up unit, I would suspect
> that a few angle braces & dowels from Home Depot would do the
> trick to faciliate a reversal.
>
> Neil
>
HI DJ,
DJ wrote:
> As I suspected, if you create your external FX devices with the I/O relative
> to the same order it shows up in in the respective I/O bussing windows, then
> as you disable these inputs and outputs after using them for tracking they
> will become available by default in the proper order in the FX routing
> window and will "recall" in the proper order......at least so far. It really
> makes sense.......sorta', kinda'.....in a half assed sloppythinking kinda'
> way. No wonder I was able to figure it out.
I'm pretty sure you are the only person using the external effects this
extensively. :)
Most people don't know it exists even sense it isn't covered very well
in the manual.
Cubase does have
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chrisl@adkproaudio.comHI Dedric,
Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 7/15/07 11:28 AM, in article 469a5933@linux, "Gene Lennon"
> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>> On a Mac you can aggregate PCI(e) and Firewire interfaces to build one large
>> I/O system. Is this possible under XP?
With 3rd party software like ASIO4ALL yes.
>>
>> Gene
>
> Mixed manufacturers? What kind of latency are you getting with sample
> library VSTi's and mixed firewire/PCIe?
It will only be as low as the weakest card in the system.
>
> My Fireface 800 doesn't have the low latency of the PCI HDSP system, so I'm
> curious if when mixing the two, latency is subject to the limitation of the
> firewire interface, or if the Mac/Core audio manages it better than XP
> might.
As long as the PC is using the proper hardware and is configured
correctly then there is no difference in performance.
>
> With XP/PC you can add interfaces from one manufacturer, but I doubt
> Firewire and PCIe would be elegant - the only time I tried it the Firewire
> interface was only connected for access to its' control panel - only the PCI
> interface handled direct I/O.
>
> I also agree with James on the Konnekt - 32x32 would be much more attractive
> if used as an interface and not just a converter/patchbay, but I fear that's
> a firewire limitation.
I think the biggest limitation on the unit is the firewire portion. It
would be better served with more I/O's. The Dice II chip that they use
for Firewire is not very reliable on MAC or PC. They are just starting
to be able to sort out compatibility and performance issues.
Chris
>
> Dedric
>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> If the driver will suport two + units, it might be a monster with a
>>> dedicated 4 x port FW PCIe card, especially if you can further
>>> merge/interpatch within the software control panel. I'd probably look pretty
>>> hard at this if the price was right. I'm currently doing pretty much what
>>> this will do using 4 x Behringer SRC 2496 units along with an RME ADI4-DD
>>> for real time SRC for two of my outboard reverbs and interpatching various
>>> other I/O through a Frontier Apache and M-Audio C03 units to connect the
>>> other digital processors, SMUX I/O of my converters and the I/O of my slave
>>> computer with the free I/O of the master computer. It's a daunting scenario.
>>> I have written an I/O sheet (small manual) for this that I have memorized
>>> and the faceplates of the gear are all labelled as well. Same thing with
>> all
>>> of the midi I/O I have here. There's a lot of it and it is interpatched
>>> through an Ensoniq KMX-16. This is only about half as insane as things
>> were
>>> when I was integrating Paris with the Cubase DAW. I watched the entire video
>>> demo and this looks like they were reading my mind.....which may be why
>> they
>>> stopped before it got too complex and twisted....but there is no midi I/O
>> on
>>> this interface, is there? Didn't see any. That may be a show stopper. Does
>>> anyone make a decent (large) midi interface now that Steinberg discontinued
>>> the Midex?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C2BFAA72.B6CD%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Since you can daisy chain the Konnekt interfaces via TCNear networking,
>>>> and
>>>> this one has it as well, I would guess Konnekt 32 can as well, but the
>> I
>>>> would wonder whether the firewire port can handle more than 16 in and
>> out
>>>> at
>>>> the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 7/15/07 10:16 AM, in article 469a4843$1@linux, "Gene Lennon"
>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Funny, that's the first question I had. That and price.
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>>>>> Is it possible to daisy chain two of these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:469a38a4@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC - Digital Konnekt x32
>>>>>>> Digital router, sample rate converter and Firewire interface with a
>> few
>>>>>>> tricks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/Default.asp?Id=11321
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>&g
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87223 is a reply to message #87182] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 15:35 |
Deej [4]
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make your way outward 4 sets,
and
>then the second row on top, same thing. Biggest in the middle side by side.
>Fortunately, the BM5A's were on the side. The JBLs and Mackies were not
>hooked up. Then in the pro room they had Genelec and Adam. Only one
>Genelec (the smallest) was hook'd up. But one Adam was. I wish I could
have
>heard an Adam A/B in the same room as the other. See below.
>
>At Sam Ash, every monitor is laid out in a nice room. Selection was
>adaquate but not in every model I'm considering.
>
>Differences I heard could very well be related to amp and EQ settings on
the
>back of each monitor, to which, GC was not customer friendly, but SA was.
>
>Adam
>at GC - Adam A11 - wow. I minimally heard a speaker or cabinet. I was
>nearly pure music. A little soft, ie, felt so open that I'd fall in. I'm
>not sure how this will translate. If the A7 is the same, I think I might
go
>this way.
>at SA - not available. Bummer.
>
>Genelec
>at GC - 8020A 4" - Not so good. It was the only one hooked up. It sounded
>very small and plastic.
>at SA - 8040A 6.5" - Pretty nice. Usable but pricey at $1130 ea.
>
>DynaBM5A
>at GC - very nice imaging, rich sound, well balanced. Truely 1st place
or
>runner up against Adam.
>at SA - ok, but a bit mushy and mid'ly. Possibly the settings.
>
>Event ALP5
>at GC - awfull. Sounded like a resonating plastic box.
>at SA - better sound. Still sounded like a box.
>
>Yamaha HS80M
>at GC - none available
>at SA - sounded just like my NS10s but beefier.
>
>JBL LSR6300
>at GC - not hooked up, neither was the LSR 4300.
>at SA - pretty good sound. Full, yet the tweeter seemed thin.
>
>Mackie HR824
>at GC - not hook'd up. I did check the box AND these are made in CHINA.
>at SA - somehow in all my excitement I missed A/B'ing. Guess I'm going
>back.
>
>Sincerely,
>Wayne
>
>HI Aaron,
The Centrance driver only works with these owner end cards because they
almost all use the same 2 Firewire chips on board that all use a generic
Firewire communication protocol.
The reason you do not see MOTU or RME cards is they they using a totally
proprietary FW communication. This one of the reasons you will see
way better performance and compatibility with their devices compared to
others.
Chris
Aaron Allen wrote:
> nope,it's not asio4all.....
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote in message
> news:469ac654@linux...
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>> news:469ac5dd@linux...
>>> I can't remember the name at the moment, but there is a software vendor
>>> out there that does build a generic driver that's supposed to unify to one
>>> driver set. It takes the latency from the slowest piece of hardware you
>>> have in the set. Dang... can't remember the name.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>
>> Aaron,
>>
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| Re: This is how FU'ed the US healthcare system is [message #87226 is a reply to message #87210] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 19:09 |
Aaron Allen
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I don't s'pose it could hurt if they're tarnished. My experiences though =
with the issue your seeing have been bad SCSI cables.=20
Start small, test every little component, unless you've got a bent up =
input pin somewhere (and I'd light them well and magnifying lense them =
all) I'm having a hard time buying that you have 4 dead cables out of =
the blue though, something caused that if it's the case.=20
AA
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:469b74bf@linux...
Aaron,
Hyperthreading is off. I'll double check though. I'd love to save =
the money
on those scsi cables.
What do you think about Deoxit in the female scsi jacks?
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:469aead6@linux...
This might be flogging the rented and dead mule, but you did verify =
that dual core was off in this equation, and hadn't been flipped back on =
by a gremlin?
AA
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message =
news:469ad5e8@linux...
Ya Jeff,
At least half the times no C-16 was attached.
Do you think that a bad C-16 cable could cause these issues?
I'll remove them from the setup until all is well.
I know at least a few times it worked that the C-16 did also.
Tom=20
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message =
news:4699b378@linux...
Tom,
Stupid question, but did you ever start up without any c16's? =
If so did=20
you see the same issue?
Jeff
Bruhl wrote:
> Rod,
> I am working from a clone that was totally good with two
> fully loaded Mecs. I have to assume the drivers are good.
> I'm looking for a good vendor for SCSI cables now.
> They're called SCSI 2 right?
> http://www.m2cables.com/SCSI2toSCSI2CablesHDB50MtoML6.html
> =20
> I'm thinking of cleaning the female jacks on the mec and EDS =
to be
> sure all is well. Any sprays anyone suggests? I've got =
Deoxit.
> Good?
> Tom
>=20
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com
> <mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com>> wrote in message
> news:4697f7e2$1@linux...
>=20
> Tom, sounds like it probably is a scsi issue. Your running =
xp right?
> The new
> Scherzo drivers are for xp verses 98 not for 3.0 verses =
2.x
> Come to think of it. you probably whoudn't have had any =
old drivers
> on your
> xp sys drive anyway...never mind.
> Rod
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net =
<mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hey Rod,
> >Hiding the default project didn't help anything. I've =
never
> >had 2.?? installed on this comp so I think I'm safe =
there regarding
> >drivers.
> >
> >I am only able to intermitantly get the 442 working as =
the master.
> >I think that's do to the scsi cable issue. I need four =
new ones.
> >I am unable to get more than one EDS card working WITH =
the 442.
> >Not sure why. The ribbons are all wired correctly.
> >
> >I'm off to a hellish gigging weekend. No more time for =
hell in Paris.
> >Thanks for all your input,
> >Tom
> > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com
> <mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com>> wrote in message =3D
> >news:4697ab8a@linux...
> >
> > Did you try hiding the default ppj to see if it would =
boot up
> with a =3D
> >MEC when
> > creating a new session?=3D20
> > Rod
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net =
<mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Guys,
> > >I'm all set with the cables and the which card is A =
bit.
> > >Rod you were right about what I was asking.
> > >
> > >In any event I scaled down to one EDS (Pretty sure =
that's card
> A =3D3D
> > >right?!!!)
> > >and plugged it into each of my two working Mecs. =
Paris will
> boot but
> > >even internal clock was never found nor were the =
in/outs on
> each Mec.
> > >The 442 on the other hand works like a champ one card =
only. I =3D
> >suspect
> > >either all my Mecs are screwy now or the SCSI cables =
are
> intermitant
> =3D
> >at
> > =3D3D
> > >best.
> > >It's working fine with the 442 so I'm sticking with =
that for today.
> > >I'll add my EDS cards one by one and see if that is =
back to normal.
> > >
> > >Thanks for the help and if I need scsi cables what =
and where to
> buy =3D
> >them
> > =3D3D
> > >would be good info too.
> > >Mr Testy
> > > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com
> <mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com>> wrote in message =3D3D
> > >news:469780ce$1@linux...
> > >
> > > I think Tom was asking if there was a "3.0" version =
of the
> EDS card
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >that needed
> > > to be connected to the master. The answer to that =
would be
> no.=3D3D20
> > > Is this what you were asking Tom?
> > > DJ's advice is very important though. I would do =
it, if you
> haven't
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >already.
> > > I don't want to sound like a "RTFM" kind of guy, =
but the Paris =3D
> >manual
> > =3D3D
> > >describes
> > > this procedure pretty well.
> > > It's on page 4 and 5 of the 3.0 version.
> > > It kind of sounds to me like you may not be hooking =
up the
> correct
> =3D
> >eds
> > =3D3D
> > >card
> > > to the master mec.
> > > Rod
> > > "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net
> <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>> wrote in message =3D3D3D
> > > >news:46972376@linux...
> > > > This is really a novice oriented question but . =
.. .
> > > > It doesn't matter which card is the "A" card
> > > > in your system as far as Paris' ID orientation =
right?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it does, and the orientation of the slots =
you are
> using in
> =3D
> >=3D3D3D
> > > >combination with the orientation of the ribbon =
cables will =3D
> >determine
> > =3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D
> > > >this. Have you changed them around during your =
reconfiguration?
> > > >
> > > > Start with a new SCSI cable and a single EDS =
card. Test each =3D
> >MEC. =3D3D
> > >Once
> > > =3D3D3D
> > > >you know if there is a problem there, add a new =
SCSI cable
> and =3D3D
> > >another =3D3D3D
> > > >card. Put different modules in the MECs so you can =
see which
> one =3D
> >is =3D3D
> > >on =3D3D3D
> > > >card A, B, C at all times. this will give you the =
info as to
> how =3D
> >the
> > =3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D
> > > >cards are initializing and which card is card A, =
B, C as you
> start
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D
> > > >adding more hardware. the MEC i sent you is one of =
4 that
> were =3D3D
> > >working =3D3D3D
> > > >perfectly when I took my system off line. I can't =
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> being
> =3D
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> > =3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D
> > > >problem. Bent pins on SCSI cables can be a serious =
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> > =3D3D
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Tue, 26 June 2007 20:19 |
Deej [4]
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> > > > Bent pins on SCSI cables can be a serious issue =
though. Your =3D
> >system
> > =3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D
> > > >will not=3D3D3D20
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> > > =
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> > >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =3D20
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> > ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 =
Transitional//EN">
> > ><HTML><HEAD>
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> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial =
size=3D3D3D2>Guys,</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'm all set =
with the
> cables and
> =3D
> >the =3D3D
> > >which card is A=3D3D20
> > >bit.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rod you were =
right about
> what I
> =3D
> >was=3D3D20
> > >asking.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>In any event =
I scaled down
> to =3D
> >one EDS =3D3D
> > >(Pretty sure=3D3D20
> > >that's card A right?!!!)</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>and plugged =
it into each
> of my =3D
> >two =3D3D
> > >working=3D3D20
> > >Mecs. Paris will boot but</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>even =
internal clock was
> never =3D
> >found nor
> > =3D3D
> > >were the=3D3D20
> > >in/outs on each Mec.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>The 442 on =
the other hand
> works
> =3D
> >like a
> > =3D3D
> > >champ one=3D3D20
> > >card only. I suspect</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>either all =
my Mecs are
> screwy =3D
> >now or =3D3D
> > >the SCSI=3D3D20
> > >cables are intermitant at best.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>It's working =
fine with the
> 442 =3D
> >so I'm =3D3D
> > >sticking with=3D3D20
> > >that for today.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>I'll add my =
EDS cards one
> by one
> =3D
> >and =3D3D
> > >see if that is=3D3D20
> > >back to normal.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> =
</DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Thanks for =
the help and if I =3D
> >need scsi
> > =3D3D
> > >cables what=3D3D20
> > >and where to buy them would be good info =
too.</FONT></DIV>
> > ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Mr =
Testy</FONT></DIV>
> > ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> > >style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-LEFT:
> 5px; =3D
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> > >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > > <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=3D3D20
> > > =3D3D
> > =3D
> =
>>href=3D3D3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com=
</A
> =
<mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>=3D
> >>&g=3D3D
> > >t;=3D3D20
> > > wrote in message <A=3D3D20
> > > =3D
> =
>href=3D3D3D"news:469780ce$1@linux">news:469780ce$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR=
>I
> =
<news:469780ce$1@linux">news:469780ce$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I>
> > =3D3D
> > >think Tom=3D3D20
> > > was asking if there was a "3.0" version of the EDS =
card that =3D3D
> > >needed<BR>to be=3D3D20
> > > connected to the master. The answer to that would =
be no. <BR>Is =3D
> >this =3D3D
> > >what you=3D3D20
> > > were asking Tom?<BR>DJ's advice is very important =
though. I
> would =3D
> >do =3D3D
> > >it, if=3D3D20
> > > you haven't already.<BR>I don't want to sound like =
a "RTFM"
> kind of
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >guy, but=3D3D20
> > > the Paris manual describes<BR>this procedure pretty
> well.<BR>It's =3D
> >on =3D3D
> > >page 4=3D3D20
> > > and 5 of the 3.0 version.<BR>It kind of sounds to =
me like you
> may =3D
> >not
> > =3D3D
> > >be=3D3D20
> > > hooking up the correct eds card<BR>to the master =
=3D
> >mec.<BR>Rod<BR>"DJ"=3D3D20
> > > <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net>=3D3D20
> > > wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> > > =
href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A
> <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>> =3D
> >wrote =3D3D
> > >in message=3D3D20
> > > =3D3D3D<BR>>news:46972376@linux...<BR>> This is =
really a =3D3D
> > >novice oriented=3D3D20
> > > question but . . .<BR>> It doesn't matter which =
card is the =3D3D
> > >"A"=3D3D20
> > > card<BR>> in your system as far as Paris' ID =
orientation=3D3D20
> > > right?<BR>><BR>> Yes, it does, and the orientation =
of the =3D3D
> > >slots=3D3D20
> > > you are using in =3D3D3D<BR>>combination with the =
orientation
> of the
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >ribbon=3D3D20
> > > cables will determine =3D3D3D<BR>>this. Have you =
changed them
> around
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >during your=3D3D20
> > > reconfiguration?<BR>><BR>> Start with a new SCSI =
cable and =3D3D
> > >a=3D3D20
> > > single EDS card. Test each MEC. =
Once<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>you know if
> there
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >is a=3D3D20
> > > problem there, add a new SCSI cable and another
> =3D3D3D<BR>>card. Put
> =3D
> >=3D3D
> > >different=3D3D20
> > > modules in the MECs so you can see which one is on
> =3D3D3D<BR>>card =3D
> >A, =3D3D
> > >B, C at=3D3D20
> > > all times. this will give you the info as to how =
the =3D
> >=3D3D3D<BR>>cards =3D3D
> > >are=3D3D20
> > > initializing and which card is card A, B, C as you =
start =3D3D
> > >=3D3D3D<BR>>adding more=3D3D20
> > > hardware. the MEC i sent yo
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