| MOTU problem - ideas? [message #85170] |
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dc[3]
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orth shipping, though - lemme know if you can use it,
>>>otherwise I can always just return it.
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>>>Neil
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>Nothing hard about this. It's basically defining status, making employers
who hire migrant labor pay for their insurance so it doesn't fall oun the
healthcare infrastructure, hiring enough people to enforce some simple laws
and applying enforcement unifromly. the employers will raise the prices of
the goods they produce to cover the costs of the healthcare and we will all
pay for it, inculding the migrant workers paying their fair share.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:467be825@linux...
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> Now Guys..Really now.
> Do you realy think this goverment has the capacity a
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| Re: MOTU problem - ideas? [message #85180 is a reply to message #85179] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 18:10  |
dc[3]
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dor to the lowest
>>>> denominator,
>
>>>> then
>>>> >> hold the
>>>> >>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>>> >>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care
>>>> worker
>>>> >>> because
>>>> >>> of govt mandates.
>>>> >>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need
> the
>>>> fed
>>>> >>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth.
> I'd
>>>> >> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life,
>
>>>> and see
>>>> >> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like
>>>> region,
>>>> >> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained,
>>>> cure/easing
>
>>>> of
>>>> >> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital,
>>>> etc....
>>>> >> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think
>
>>>> the very
>>>> >> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders.
>>>> Illegals?
>>>> >> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired
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>>>> of you
>>>> >> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be
> in
>>>> line
>>>> >> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other
>>>> programs. Don't
>>>> >> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes
> and
>>>> >> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah.
>>>> Necessary?
>
>>>> At this
>>>> >> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train
>>>> wreck
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>>>> for
>>>> >> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this
>
>>>> point
>>>> >> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off
>>>> going
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>>>> too
>>>> >> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take
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>>>> the best
>>>> >> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I
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>>>> have to
>>>> >> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And that
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| Re: MOTU problem - ideas? [message #85236 is a reply to message #85180] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 08:57 |
Chris Ludwig
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
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-they-take-am erican-express/
>>>>>> I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point
in
>>>>>> google warring?
>>>>>> Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals,
>>>>>> they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without
>>>>>> blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come
to
>>>>>> trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and
>>> how
>>>>>> many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in?
>>>>>> Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will
>>> it
>>>>>> blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in
>>>>>> goods/services
>>>>>> but the big question lies in will the spending in the medical expenses
>>>>>> and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how does our legal
low
>>>>>> end applicants play into that? How many of our legal jobless will
>>>>>> suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves and family,
>>> and
>>>>>> better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, Mexicans or any
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> cultures. It's about responsibility to our house and ourselves and
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> around us. Perhaps others just see responsibility in a different way
>>> than
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should
all
>>>>>> pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers
>>>>>> playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate
>>>>>> more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to
pay
>>>>>> for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money
pit
>>>>>> volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for
>>> it
>>>>>> too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I
am
>>> not
>>>>>> a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my
>>>>>> dudes/dudettes.
>>>>>> I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about
>>> that
>>>>>> spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't
>>>>>> mind
>>>>>> giving. But I want to give smart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my
>>>>>> family/my
>>>>>> friends/my community have to continue the payments and they have to
>>>>>> stay
>>>>>> enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do for
>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>> if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be handled differently
>>>>>> per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and are eating my
>>>>>> family's
>>>>>> food why on God's green earth would I hand them something else out
of
>>> my
>>>>>> house bank account?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens.
>>> We
>>>>>> > can and should address the immigration issue separately.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just
>>> have
>>>>>&
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