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| EDS Gate Latency [message #67253] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 08:22  |
cujo
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<animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >I just had to swap monitors on a machine running Win 95. I had been
using
> > a
> > >17" Samsung LCD. I switched to an old E-systems 15" CRT. The taskbar at
> > the
> > >bottom has disappeared. The computer l,oaded the proper driver for the
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> > >and I have adjucted the res
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67261 is a reply to message #67260] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 12:39  |
cujo
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t;digital
>> >matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp,
then
>> >returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>> that
>> >you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> >if you've got a very powerful native system.
>> >
>> >5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> >busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> >with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> >an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a
lot
>> and
>> >it works very well.
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>> >
>> >I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>> for
>> >this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
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>> >;o)
>> >.
>> >
>> >"CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
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>> >> Hi Folks!
>> >> I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> >> I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >>
>> >> Please. say something clever! :)
>> >> All the best
>> >> CJG
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67263 is a reply to message #67260] |
Sun, 23 April 2006 17:02 |
Rod Lincoln
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> > Google (Steven). Misspelling in translation? Any other info?
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> > On 5/7/06 2:13 PM, in article 445e5614@linux, "DJ"
> > <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
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> > > I was futs forwared an e-mail that was sent to a mutual friend by
> Steven's
> > > wife and forwarded to me, as follows:
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > "Steven died in his sleep early this morning after a couple of truly
> > > peaceful days. He woke once, Thursday evening, and found himself
> > > surrounded by friends and family. He talked sleepily with all of us,
> > > understood he was deeply loved, and told us he had been flying in a
> > > wonderful and amazing place without pain. He woke again early Friday
> > > morning and was as clear, strong, and aware as he had been in his
> > > healthiest days. He told me he had been in "a place beautiful beyond
> > > my life," told me he wanted to die and go back there, and fell into a
> > > final sleep.
> > >
> > > The world is a poorer place without him. Please carry him in your
> > > thoughts, hearts, and pr
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67304 is a reply to message #67275] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 14:20 |
Rod Lincoln
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systems 15" CRT. The taskbar
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>>>> > >at
>>>> > the
>>>> > >bottom has disappeared. The computer l,oaded the proper driver for
>the
>>>> CRT
>>>> > >and I have adjucted the resolution to where it should be, but no
>>> taskbar
>>>> > >shows up at the bottom of the screen.
>>>> > >
>>>> > >Am I hallucinating...........(again)?
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would be
able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to the
drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
little bit of extra work to say the least.
Rich
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4463e099@linux...
> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>
> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
mix
> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>
>
> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress them
> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>
> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
audio
> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
use
> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67306 is a reply to message #67275] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 16:17 |
uptown jimmy
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olves routing Paris tracks through a
digital
> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
that
> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
well
> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>
> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal in
> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
with
> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
and
> it works very well.
>
>
> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
for
> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>
> ;o)
> .
>
> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
> >
> > Hi Folks!
> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
PARIS?
> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during mix
> >
> > Please. say something clever! :)
> > All the best
> > CJG
>
>Now I just need a good controller to do it justice.
Rod
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Welcome Rod. This thing is one of the most killer audio tools since Paris
>IMHO. It really is like having a grand piano available (well three actually,
>though like you, I tend to gravitate toward the Steiny D) and you don't
have
>to spend $20k for the mics to fully capture it.
>
>;o)
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.dom> wrote in message
>news:44641880$1@linux...
>>
>> Got 3 gig of ram installed in the Cubase/vsti comp as per DJ's advice
for
>> Ivory (that's the most my mobo will take). All I can say is WOW! The
>Steiny
>> with all the voices is the ticket. No glitches whatsoever. Thanks Deej!
>>
>> Rod
>
>Dear Rich,
I don't see the point why not use aux to send to a compressor stereo setting
at pre and nulling the faders, then you can send all you drumtracks into
the same compressor or Nolimit and either use the return trimmer or use in/out
wires to send the aux back to a Paris audio track and then use this with
fader (automation etc) and eq for your drumtracks compression.
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67307 is a reply to message #67300] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 16:19 |
uptown jimmy
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If you use compressor with 0 lookahead you will have only 2-4 samples latency
on all your drumtracks.
Rgards,
Dimitrios
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
be
>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
the
>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>
>Rich
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4463e099@linux...
>> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>
>> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>mix
>> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>
>>
>> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
them
>> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>
>> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>use
>> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> (master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
>> rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> DAW.
>>
>> 4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>that
>> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>
>> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>and
>> it works very well.
>>
>>
>> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>for
>> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> ;o)
>> .
>>
>> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Hi Folks!
>> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >
>> > Please. say something clever! :)
>> > All the best
>> > CJG
>>
>>
>
>I wonder if there could be a string line like EDSPriority=1 (does not apply
this) so that the flow would be first EDS processing and then DX...
this is to be able to use DX effects on auxes !!
Can anyone guess try several strings there ?
I think that it could be done to let Paris read DX effects after the eds
processing, well who knows ...
regards,
DimitriosIvory may be able to use it but I would be curious what your actual RAM
usage is when running Ivory, and if you are using the /3G switch to access
above 2G, or if it just stabilizes Win/Cubase when using over 1.2G.
WinXP limits apps to 1.2G. With 2G, supposedly the /3G switch also bumps
the 2G usage to 1.7G for apps, and of course is supposed to open up 3G
usage. Nuendo has issues above 1.2G that cause instability, corrupt
projects, etc, though there is an error handler in Nuendo now (I assume
Cubase too) that usually allows you to save your project to a new file if it
detects this problem. It is an annoyance, and can be problematic with large
sample libraries (orchestral here, using NI's DSD, so it may not be as much
of an issue with piano libraries - single instrument, different streaming
technique, etc).
Regards,
Dedric
On 5/11/06 11:17 PM, in article 44641a83@linux, "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com>
wrote:
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> Sso more than a Gig of RAM makes a difference? I've heard that
> more than a Gig makes no difference in WindowsXP.. not true,
> after all?
>
> Neil
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.dom> wrote:
>>
>> Got 3 gig of ram installed in the Cubase/vsti comp as per DJ's advice for
>> Ivory (that's the most my mobo will take). All I can say is WOW! The Steiny
>> with all the voices is the ticket. No glitches whatsoever. Thanks Deej!
>>
>> Rod
>Check out the Studiologic VMK188 or VMK176 - got great reviews for pianistic
action. I haven't tried it, but am hoping it lives up to expectations. The
price is reasonable too.
Regards,
Dedric
On 5/12/06 6:46 AM, in article 4464838e$1@linux, "Rod Lincoln"
<rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Now I just need a good controller to do it justice.
> Rod
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> Welcome Rod. This thing is one of the most killer audio tools since Paris
>> IMHO. It really is like having a grand piano available (well three actually,
>> though like you, I tend to gravitate toward the Steiny D) and you don't
> have
>> to spend $20k for the mics to fully capture it.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.dom> wrote in message
>> news:44641880$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Got 3 gig of ram installed in the Cubase/vsti comp as per DJ's advice
> for
>>> Ivory (that's the most my mobo will take). All I can say is WOW! The
>> Steiny
>>> with all the voices is the ticket. No glitches whatsoever. Thanks Deej!
>>>
>>> Rod
>>
>>
>You can do this. Use an aux instead. If you have an unused EDS card, copy
and paste your mixer settings, copy drag your drum tracks to there, select
prefade on aux 1 for each track, mute each track, select NOLIMIT or the eds
compressor. All you will be hearing is the compressed sound on that submix.
Note: you will have to compensate for latency between submixes, and for the
eds effect. You would have to do this, even if there was a way to strap an
effect across a submix.
Submix latency varies from system to system but is "about" 12 to 14 samples
from card A to card B and 2 samples per card after that. Latency for the
eds comp with no lookahead is 2 samples, No Limit is the same. On no Limit
you will want to use lookahead of about 25, which means nudge back 1 ms and
apply 53 samples of sampleslide.
Rod
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Too bad that the Paris designers didn't allow the user to strap an EDS
>effect across the Master Mixer of each individual card. If so you would
be
>able to move all the tracks to a free EDS card, dedicating that card to
the
>drum mix and using one effect on that card only. As you said, DJ, the only
>way to do this is to build a second system and slave the two together. A
>little bit of extra work to say the least.
>
>Rich
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4463e099@linux...
>> There are 5 ways that I know of to do this.
>>
>> 1. Just send all of your tracks to a big analogue console and squash and
>mix
>> them there just like you would with a tape recorder.
>>
>>
>> 2. Send the tracks out the Paris inserts to an analog mixer, compress
them
>> there, then return the two track to a pair of Paris inputs.
>>
>> 3. Build a second single card Paris system and network the two systems.
>> Install a Steinberg Midex on the system that you want to be a slave.
>> Set the slave system with the Midex to slave to smpte and send a smpte
>audio
>> track from the master system to the Midex on the slave system.
>> Either send the drum tracks to the slave system or all of the other tracks
>> to the slave system and keep the drum tracks on the master system, then
>use
>> NoLimit or another stereo comp across the Global bus of whichever system
>> (master or slave) has the drum tracks and route the outputs of the system
>> running the drum tracks to a pair of inputs on the system playing back
the
>> rest of the tracks..........basically you are timeline syncing two
>separate
>> Paris systems via smpte stripe and using the global bus of one of the
>> systems as a drum bus only, sending the compressed bus to the other Paris
>> DAW.
>>
>> 4. Is the way I do it and it involves routing Paris tracks through a
>digital
>> matrix, looping it through busses on a separate DAW to a 2 bus comp, then
>> returning the 2 bus to Paris and it is so much digital insanity and $$$
>that
>> you may not want to go there, but it is very flexible and really works
>well
>> if you've got a very powerful native system.
>>
>> 5. The last one is to strap an analog comp across one of the paris aux
>> busses and crank the aux send to taste, blending the compressed signal
in
>> with the uncompressed tracks........there's a 1.5ms latency doing this
>with
>> an analog comp, only 2 samples or so doing it digitally. I do this a lot
>and
>> it works very well.
>>
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67308 is a reply to message #67300] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 16:43 |
wmarkwilson
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>> I think our resident guru Dimitrios probably has other esoteric options
>for
>> this using a palette of chainers, FX and wrappers, but I'm not sure.
>>
>> ;o)
>> .
>>
>> "CJG" <cj@grimmark.com> wrote in message news:4463d83e$1@linux...
>> >
>> > Hi Folks!
>> > I wonder how You would compress a group, of say 12 drum tracks, in
>PARIS?
>> > I would want the whole kit to go through a stereo compressor during
mix
>> >
>> > Please. say something clever! :)
>> > All the best
>> > CJG
>>
>>
>
>Thanks Dedric, I'll check those out.
Rod
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Check out the Studiologic VMK188 or VMK176 - got great reviews for pianistic
>action. I haven't tried it, but am hoping it lives up to expectations.
The
>price is reasonable too.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 5/12/06 6:46 AM, in article 4464838e$1@linux, "Rod Lincoln"
><rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Now I just need a good controller to do it justice.
>> Rod
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>> Welcome Rod. This thing is one of the most killer audio tools since Paris
>>> IMHO. It really is like having a grand piano available (well three actually,
>>> though like you, I tend to gravitate toward the Steiny D) and you don't
>> have
>>> to spend $20k for the mics to fully capture it.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.dom> wrote in message
>>> news:44641880$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Got 3 gig of ram installed in the Cubase/vsti comp as per DJ's advice
>> for
>>>> Ivory (that's the most my mobo will take). All I can say is WOW! The
>>> Steiny
>>>> with all the voices is the ticket. No glitches whatsoever. Thanks Deej!
>>>>
>>>> Rod
>>>
>>>
>>
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this happens on my laptop all the time deej. dunno what causes it but a
reboot fixes it.
j
DJ wrote:
>Yeah!!! It's back.
>
>;o)
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67319 is a reply to message #67272] |
Mon, 24 April 2006 22:08 |
Aaron Allen
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ally fast.
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>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>news:4463e136@linux...
>> ASUS A7V8X works great with Paris.
>>
>> "Lou C." <aardvark@comcast.net> wrote in message news:44638076@linux...
>> > Just wondering what model of pc or which motherboard you guys are using
>> with
>> > Paris Pro 3 and XP, and have it running completely stable? For example:
>> > HP, Dell, Gateway or Compaq.
>> > Asus, Abit Gigabyte motherboards
>> > Pentium 4, Celeron, Athlon, Duron, etc..
>> >
>> > Also, if you don't know specifics, how old is it?
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Ivory is also great on my PowerMac dual G5, currently with 2.5GB RAM
(out of a possible 8GB).
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Rod Lincoln wrote:
> Got 3 gig of ram installed in the Cubase/vsti comp as per DJ's advice for
> Ivory (that's the most my mobo will take). All I can say is WOW! The Steiny
> with all the voices is the ticket. No glitches whatsoever. Thanks Deej!
>
> RodI just got a Gigabyte K8NS ultra in here yesterday. I was going to use it
for my Cubase DAW if the build using the K8V-Deluxe went badly. Now that
I've got the K8V native DAW properly configured and it is flying along, I'm
wondering if I'm up to building and configuing another native DAW any time
soon. Unless I feel I have need of this board I may just hold it in the
wings in case, for some reason I want to upgrade my Paris DAW or build
another one. I think it would be fun to sync two Paris systems together
us
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| Re: EDS Gate Latency [message #67344 is a reply to message #67342] |
Tue, 25 April 2006 09:28 |
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