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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85033 is a reply to message #85032] |
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the Paris mix engine and smacking the bus?
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467a0042$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You need to insert a Neve Portico 5042 on your master bus "after" =
your
>>limiter and crank the drive to get that extra 3dB and tape =
sat........if
> you
>>don't, you will die
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>>You knew deep down inside that you would be getting one of these, =
didn't
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>>you?
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>><evil grin>
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> I have no doubt it sounds great, but I dunno if that's going to
> get me another 2 db RMS... I am hearing about mastering houses
> using convertors like Lavry Gold's & Prism's - convertors that
> cost like $15k - convertors that won't distort, no matter what
> you throw at 'em - and just lighting 'em up like christmas
> trees. One place apparently has rack covers over their
> convertors so the clients can't see them fire up & start
> panicking, thinking something's gone incredibly wrong lol.
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> If that's what the latest trick is, then ain't no way I can get
> there; not at that price point... but I suspect I might be able
> to get a little bit closer - I think I might be missing an
> analog link in the back-end chain.
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> Maybe two 737's followed by two Distressors??? Both units'
> frequency range response is off the map, so I don't think I'd
> lose any fidelity... Avalons would give me a gentle curve, plus
> the harmonics & big iron, and the benefit of EQ; Distressors
> would hit it hard & clamp it down.... anyone ever try this
> method?
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> Neil=20
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85035 is a reply to message #85031] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 05:04 |
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------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C7B3A4.4AEE5410--I am thinking about upgrading form Cubase SX 2 to 4. I wanted to confirm
that it syncs to PARIS before I do. Does anyone have that setup working?
Cheers,
JohnIt will sync to Paris if you're using the right hardware (ie-ADAT sync from
Paris to RME HDSP/Frontier Dakota and someone recently mentioned that they
had success with a Lynx2.
Deej
"John Shapiro" <me at johnshapiro dot com> wrote in message
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>I am thinking about upgrading form Cubase SX 2 to 4. I wanted to confirm
>that it syncs to PARIS before I do. Does anyone have that setup working?
>
> Cheers,
> John
>Well....for the money Neve is charging for the Portico 5042, you could buy a
real tape deck, but then you would have to maintain and feed it.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4679d3cc$1@linux...
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> "Tom Bruhl" mcast.net> wrote:
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>>LaMont,
>>They sound really authentic! Not inexpensive either.
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> Yeah, for the money they're charging, you could.... why, you
> could... BUY A REAL DRUMKIT! lol
>
> NeilTrue, and then you'd STILL have to make sure you had one of these:
http://www.delamancha.co.uk/dynamite_cowbell.htm
:)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Well....for the money Neve is charging for the Portico 5042, you could buy
a
>real tape deck, but then you would have to maintain and feed it.
>
>;o)
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>"Neil" <OIUIOU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4679d3cc$1@linux...
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>> "Tom Bruhl" mcast.net> wrote:
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>>>LaMont,
>>>They sound really authentic! Not inexpensive either.
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>> Yeah, for
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85036 is a reply to message #85026] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 05:08 |
Bill L
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the money they're charging, you could.... why, you
>> could... BUY A REAL DRUMKIT! lol
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>> Neil
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>Hey Neil,
Lots of advice from other people. Here's a few observations/opinions.
- If a mastering guy is using converters as limiters, that's a disturbing
admission of rank incompetence.
- I wouldn't say for sure than an opto compressor can't work here. Depending
on the dynamics of the song the compressor can be 'always on,' compressing
a little bit all the time. That changes the slew rate when it goes from say
1 db of gain reduction to 4-5.
- Do you have a UAD-1 card? You might try two of their opto comps/limiters
in series. The first one getting you most of the gain reduction and the second
one only hitting the peaks.
- Or you could try on opto plug-in followed by a straight digital limiter,
Dynasone from Prosoniq (the greatest mastering tool you've never used) has
various options for this, and sounds excellent. The PSP 'Vintage Warmter'
(the most offensively named plug in you've never used that still sounds really
great) has a limiter mode that might work for this.
- If you want to go the hardware route, I bet you'd find that renting a (well
maintained) two track tape deck would get you what you want more than a fancy
tube comp/limiter. As SSC once said, roughly, 'The great thing about tape
is how easy it is. Once the record head starts to glow, you're pretty much
there.'
That's all I can think of now. Good luck, and whenever I write this stuff
I'm really happy I work in genres where dynamics are still allowed.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>..RMS... across the mix buss, I mean.
>
>In the metalesque genres I tend to find myself working in most
>often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
>bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
>without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
>unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
>a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
>level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
>example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
>sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
>SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
>a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
>samples, but really, not too many!
>IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!
>
>So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
>at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
>a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
>detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
>maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
>lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
>things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85040 is a reply to message #85033] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 06:35 |
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>> Neil
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>hey Neil.. I know what you mean. when I'm mixing todays R&B/hip hop, which
is just as agressive as metal, in Nuendo/SX..I struggle to get the HOTT!!!ness.
I've been saying this for awhile now. SX/neundo, starts to breakdown and
start echewing artifacts when you start slamming tracks.. Okay Rememdies..
-Sum out to any decent mixer with a decent comp..Masterlink
-Get a Paris System to Mix ..You already knwo what it can do ..
-Strangly, mix the project in PT (LE,M-powered). Todays PT 7.x summing buss
is much improved. Wider than Nuendo/SX
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>..RMS... across the mix buss, I mean.
>
>In the metalesque genres I tend to find myself working in most
>often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
>bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
>without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
>unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
>a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
>level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
>example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
>sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
>SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
>a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
>samples, but really, not too many!
>IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!
>
>So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
>at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
>a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
>detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
>maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
>lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
>things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?
>
>Problem is most of the tube ones seem to be Opto... opto's too
>slow for this. I hear the Avalon 747's real clean & it's got an
>EQ, too, but that's an opto unit - and if my 737 is any
>indication, it might not have enough "attitude". Anyone ever
>try two 737's linked across a 2-buss? (I only have one, so I
>can't try it) how did that work? Anyone using anything they
>like that you think might get me where I need to go?
>
>
>NeilNeil,
Run your stereo us to Paris via ADAT. Apply NoLimit. You have Paris. Get
an ADAT card and be done with this.
;o)
Deej-3?!?!?!
Holy crap... no "air" in that stuff eh?
Glad I don't do that style of music... at -11 RMS I feel like my
head's in a vise!
David.
Neil wrote:
> ..RMS... across the mix buss, I mean.
>
> In the metalesque genres I tend to find myself working in most
> often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
> bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
> without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
> unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
> a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
> level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
> example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
> sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
> SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
> a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
> samples, but really, not too many!
> IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!
>
> So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
> at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
> a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
> detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
> maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
> lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
> things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?
>
> Problem is most of the tube ones seem to be Opto... opto's too
> slow for this. I hear the Avalon 747's real clean & it's got an
> EQ, too, but that's an opto unit - and if my 737 is any
> indication, it might not have enough "attitude". Anyone ever
> try two 737's linked across a 2-buss? (I only have one, so I
> can't try it) how did that work? Anyone using anything they
> like that you think might get me where I need to go?
>
>
> Neil"Neil" <OIU@IUOIU.com> wrote:
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>True, and then you'd STILL have to make sure you had one of these:
>
>http://www.delamancha.co.uk/dynamite_cowbell.htm
>
>:)
>
I need to send this link to that poor schmuck at GC that Aaron and I had
frantically searching for an "E" cowbell while we were in Denver.
;o)
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Well....for the money Neve is cha
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Wed, 23 May 2007 09:35 |
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t; house bank account?
>
> >
> > Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. We
> > can and should address the immigration issue separately.
> >
>
> My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just
> have to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the
> last year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain
> tumor. She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro,
> first hand. I could relate some horror stories.
>
>
> Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such :)
>
> > Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > www.JamieKrutz.com <http://www.jamiekrutz.com/>
>
> Cheers back atcha'
>
> AA
>
>
> >
> >
> > Aaron Allen wrote:
> >> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>> wrote
> in message news:46755eae$1@linux...
> >>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like
> you
> >>> is:
> >>> "Then, what is the cure"??
> >>
> >> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate
> since you
> >> don't see what I meant.
> >>
> >> the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator,
> then
> >> hold the
> >>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
> >>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker
> >>> because
> >>> of govt mandates.
> >>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need
> the fed
> >>> gov't doing it? NO.
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd
> >> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life,
> and see
> >> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region,
> >> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained,
> cure/easing of
> >> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc....
> >> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think
> the very
> >> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders.
> Illegals?
> >> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired
> of you
> >> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be in
> line
> >> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other
> programs. Don't
> >> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and
> >> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary?
> At this
> >> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train
> wreck for
> >> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this point
> >> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going
> too
> >> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take
> the best
> >> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I
> have to
> >> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
> >>
> >> And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people
> feel
> >> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free
> health care
> >> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got
> a real
> >> historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement
> becomes
> >> dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not
> necessarily
> >> always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery
> like
> >> that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't
> and I'm
> >> sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to
> survive so
> >> you better do what
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85066 is a reply to message #85003] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 12:07 |
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;>> top notch medical care.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being
>>> bilked
>>> >> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That
is
>>> very
>>> >> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and
>>> free
>>> >> loaders.
>>> >>
>>> >>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who
>>> belive that
>>> >>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford
>>> it..
>>> >>
>>> >> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them
>>> from my
>>> >> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal
>>> entry
>>> >> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to
>>> that,
>>> >> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately
>>> we
>>> >> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into
the
>>> >> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>>> >>
>>> >>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can
>>> pay for
>>> >>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many
>>> >>> families
>>> >>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With
>>> rising
>>> >>> fuel
>>> >>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these
>>> days..
>>> >>
>>> >> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>>> >> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to
>>> those
>>> >> numbers as an average.
>>> >>
>>> >>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only
one
>>> >>> catstrophic
>>> >>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>>> >>> horrible!!
>>> >>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked
>>> from you
>>> >>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has
>>> some
>>> >>> debilitating
>>> >>> disorder ????
>>> >>
>>> >> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or
>>> super broke
>>> >> makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your
>>> money
>>> >> for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is
>>> considered a
>>> >> long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks,
but
>>> it's a
>>> >> reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into
>>> retirement or
>>> >> beyond.
>>> >>
>>> >>> The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70
>>> percent
>>> >>> "supplement"
>>> >>> to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have
>>> dignified
>>> >>> health
>>> >>> coverage.
>>> >>
>>> >> And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal
>>> (how
>>> >> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on
>>> welfare or
>>> >> don't have insurance/money?
>>> >>
>>> >> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what
>>> they can
>>> >> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are
>>> now. T
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Wed, 23 May 2007 12:30 |
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hose
>>> >> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take
>>> it away
>>> >> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets
>>> screwed
>>> >> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the
>>> health
>>> >> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool
>>> can look
>>> >> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen.
>>> I've
>>> >> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon.
>>> I'm not
>>> >> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it
>>> doesn't work
>>> >> for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've
>>> got to
>>> >> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because
so
>>> many
>>> >> things are a result of this root issue.
>>> >>
>>> >> AA
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude
>>> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude>> wrote:
>>> >>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that
>>> the
>>> >>>> 'govt'
>>> >>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then
hold
>>> the
>>> >>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>> >>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care
>>> worker
>>> >>>> because
>>> >>>> of govt mandates.
>>> >>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need
>>> the fed
>>> >>>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> AA
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
>>> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>> >>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>>
>>> wrote in message
>>> >>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand
>>> those
>>> >>> who
>>> >>>>>> say
>>> >>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you
and
>>> yours
>>> >>>>>> then
>>> >>>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a
>>> even wost
>>> >>>>>> job.
>>> >>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can
>>> hear
>>> >>>>>> someone
>>> >>>>>> saying by who??
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients
is
>>> >>>>> because
>>> >>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>
>Cleanliness instead of godliness. It's a lot punchier sounding tio. It
really brngs something to the table on low end sources and is very *forward*
sounding. I like it much better than the UA LA-2A. (but with me, that was
the case with the hardware units too).
DJ
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
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> So Deej, what's the LA3A give you that's different from the LA2A? I read
> the stuff about faster response and all, but in terms of application and
> gut response, what's the difference? From the blurb about it, I would
> guess
> it's more like an 1176 if you put it on the highest ratio and a fast
> attack.
> I've never worked with a real one myself.
> Rod
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>A 13 Space Magma can be had for around $450.00 - $500.00. If you're
>>interfacing PCI, a 7
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re would be no jobs and the
> illegals would have to go home (unless of course we put them all on
> welfare).
Build "major" fence.
Hire an additional 50K personnell to enforce existing borders and another
100k to enforce immigration laws, checking on emloyyers who hire migrant
workers and doing whatever duties are necessary to enforce INS laws.
Citizens of this country required to carry National ID (with proof of
citizenship required to get one).
Allow workers who are here illegally to stay if they have a job with an
employer
That employer must withhold taxes and provide a basic medical insurance
policy.-the employer is basically the workers sponsor at this point and is
reaponsible for him/her.
Employees must purchase vehicle insurance.
Worker receives a Worker-guest card that entitles them to basic
(rudimentary) medical services under employers medical insurance policy.
worker can buy supplemental healthcare which will be only good as long as
his/her status is legimate.
Worker can change jobs just like any American citizen.
Worker-guest card is forfeit upon leaving job and new "ttransitional " card
is issued - good for two weeks.
Workers can only receive social services with proof of
employment/worker-guest card or temporary "unexpired" transitional card.
If card expires, they are considered illegal and are subject to immediate
deportation and denial of all social services.
Employers receive a $20,000 fine *per instance* if caught hiring illegal
workers
No more sanctuary cities. Law enforcement is *required* to randomly check
national ID/worker cards
Profiling allowed (I hate this, but it's necessary)
If someone doesn't have valid National ID or workers card, they are detained
until they can show proof. No proof, you go back to country of origin.
Worker gets busted for serious misdemeanor.......goes home - can reapply for
worker permit within 1 year. Felony, goes to jail, then home.- never come
back.
Rescind the law that allows children born of non-citizens in this country to
be automatic citizens.
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com <mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com>> wrote in
>> message news:467591fd@linux...
>> >
>> > Aaron, do you have any sources of data for the actual cost of
>> providing
>> > health care to illegal aliens? What numbers are you using?
>> >
>> > Do you know the amount of taxes paid by illegal aliens?
>> >
>> > Do you know the amount of money saved in the economy, overall, by the
>> > low wages they are paid?
>> >
>> > I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats you are
>> using.
>> This'll get you started. And they're old numbers for the most part,
>> could be an improvement in the situation but I seriously doubt it. I've
>> seen growth in my area for sure and I'd expect the same for this region
>> of states all the way to Cali.
>> This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal
>> immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on
>> the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments,
>> but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when
>> all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered,
>> illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of
>> more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an
>> amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly
>> $29 billion.
>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
>> Washington Post found about the same thing
>> "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in
>> costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in
>> taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per
>> illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug 25.html
>> Here's a 2004 finding
>> http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/ 19_56_5812_5_04.txt
>> SBI ain't cuttin it in this 2006 study.
>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html
>> Deportation doesn't seem such a great idea
>>
>>
>> 27 July 2005
>>
>>
>> New Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A
>> Year…Do They Take American Express??
>>
>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/>
>>
>> [Bryanna Bevens <http://blog.vdare.com/archives/author/bryanna-bevens/>]
>> @ 11:24 am [Email author <mailto:bbevens@vdareedit.com?subject=New Study:
>> Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A Year…Do They Take
>> American Express??>] [Email This Article]
>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/email/>
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>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/print/>
>> Recently, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich suggested that we
>> round up and deport the millions of illegal aliens who currently reside
>> in the U.S.
>>
>> Silly mortal…what on earth was he thinking? Simple solutions to
>> complicated problems just confuse the powers that be–he should have used
>> graphs and flow charts…you know, visual aids that provide an opportunity
>> for interpretation.
>>
>> To discourage the idea, the Center for American Progress
>> <http://www.americanprogress.org/>(CAP–whatever that’s supposed to be)
>> prepared a sort of makeshift cost/benefit analysis
>> < http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF& b=913099>for
>> deporting millions of illegal aliens.
>>
>> Hmm…I wonder what they determined?? Surprise, surprise, surprise…the cost
>> is astronomical. In fact, according to CAP, the solution is cost
>> prohibitive.
>>
>> [extracted from the report linked below]
>>
>> “Using publicly available data, we estimate the costs of a mass
>> deportation effort to be at least $206 billion over five years ($41.2
>> billion annually), and could be as high as $230 billion or more. Spending
>> $41.2 billion annually would exceed the entire budget of the Department
>> of Homeland Security for FY 2006 ($34.2 billion) and more than double the
>> annual cost of military operations in Afghanistan ($16.8 billion).”
>>
>> http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/
>> I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point in
>> google warring?
>> Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals,
>> they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without
>> blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to
>> trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and how
>> many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in?
>> Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will it
>> blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in goods/services
>> but the big question lies in will the spending in the medical expenses
>> and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how does our legal low
>> end applicants play into that? How many of our legal jobless will
>> suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves and family, and
>> better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, Mexicans or any other
>> cultures. It's about responsibility to our house and ourselves and those
>> around us. Perhaps others just see responsibility in a different way than
>> I do.
>>
>> Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should all
>> pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers
>> playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate
>> more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to pay
>> for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money pit
>> volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for it
>> too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I am not
>> a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my dudes/dudettes.
>> I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about that
>> spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't mind
>> giving. But I want to give smart.
>>
>> What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my family/my
>> friends/my community have to continue the payments and they have to stay
>> enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do for themselves
>> if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be handled differently
>> per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and are eating my family's
>> food why on God's green earth would I hand them something else out of my
>> house bank account?
>>
>> >
>> > Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. We
>> > can and should address the immigration issue separately.
>> >
>>
>> My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just have
>> to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the last
>> year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain tumor.
>> She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro, first hand.
>> I could relate some horror stories.
>> Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such :)
>>
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Jamie
>> > www.JamieKrutz.com <http://www.jamiekrutz.com/>
>>
>> Cheers back atcha'
>>
>> AA
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Aaron Allen wrote:
>> >> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>> wrote
>> in message news:46755eae$1@linux...
>> >>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like
>> you
>> >>> is:
>> >>> "Then, what is the cure"??
>> >>
>> >> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since
>> you
>> >> don't see what I meant.
>> >>
>> >> the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator,
>> then
>> >> hold the
>> >>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>> >>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker
>> >>> because
>> >>> of govt mandates.
>> >>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the
>> fed
>> >>> gov't doing it? NO.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd
>> >> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life,
>> and see
>> >> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region,
>> >> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing
>> of
>> >> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc....
>> >> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think
>> the very
>> >> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders.
>> Illegals?
>> >> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired
>> of you
>> >> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be in
>> line
>> >> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other
>> programs. Don't
>> >> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and
>> >> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary?
>> At this
>> >> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck
>> for
>> >> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this
>> point
>> >> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going
>> too
>> >> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take
>> the best
>> >> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I
>> have to
>> >> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
>> >>
>> >> And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people
>> feel
>> >> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free
>> health care
>> >> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got
>> a real
>> >> historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement
>> becomes
>> >> dependant voters for party lines, particularly
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>> bilked
>> >> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is
>> very
>> >> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and
>> free
>> >> loaders.
>> >>
>> >>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who
>> belive that
>> >>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford
>> it..
>> >>
>> >> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them
>> from my
>> >> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal
>> entry
>> >> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to
>> that,
>> >> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately
>> we
>> >> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into the
>> >> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>> >>
>> >>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can
>> pay for
>> >>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many
>> >>> families
>> >>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With
>> rising
>> >>> fuel
>> >>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these
>> days..
>> >>
>> >> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>> >> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to
>> those
>> >> numbers as an average.
>> >>
>> >>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one
>> >>> catstrophic
>> >>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>> >>> horrible!!
>> >>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked
>> from you
>> >>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has
>> some
>> >>> debilitating
>> >>> disorder ????
>> >>
>> >> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or
>> super broke
>> >> makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your
>> money
>> >> for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is
>> considered a
>> >> long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks, but
>> it's a
>> >> reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into
>> retirement or
>> >> beyond.
>> >>
>> >>> The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70
>> percent
>> >>> "supplement"
>> >>> to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have
>> dignified
>> >>> health
>> >>> coverage.
>> >>
>> >> And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal
>> (how
>> >> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on
>> welfare or
>> >> don't have insurance/money?
>> >>
>> >> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what
>> they can
>> >> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are
>> now. Those
>> >> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take
>> it away
>> >> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets
>> screwed
>> >> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the
>> health
>> >> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool
>> can look
>> >> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen.
>> I've
>> >> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon.
>> I'm not
>> >> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it
>> doesn't work
>> >> for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've
>> got to
>> >> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because so
>> many
>> >> things are a result of this root issue.
>> >>
>> >> AA
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude
>> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude>> wrote:
>> >>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that
>> the
>> >>>> 'govt'
>> >>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator,
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t;>>>>> job.
>> >>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can
>> hear
>> >>>>>> someone
>> >>>>>> saying by who??
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is
>> >>>>> because
>> >>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>I don't think there's any question these days that the PCI card is fundamentally
a dongle. But I still think the plugs sound great.
Still haven't used the Liquid Mix enough to decide if it's worse/as good/better
than the UAD stuff. Certainly a lot more DSP under the hood. Maybe when Focusrite
finally gets 2.0 out the door I'll get back to that UAD/LM comparison.
I've been strumming my acoustic guitar a lot more lately. Must be the summer
weather . . .
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>That's my point all along. I've been able to get that vinatge plugin sound
>with native plugins. The Sonalkis really does impart color and mimics vicage
>gear really well.. The waves SSL are very sweet and the word on the Waves
>V series is that they a Killer!!..
>
>I was never sold on the whole power PCI card thing ..even with superior
plugings
>such as the UADs.
>
>Plus, UAD has not imprived their card DSP power which begs the question
of
>: Does the card really speed up the plugins or is it just a dongle?
>
>UAD has been using the same DSP card for 5 years now!! What gives? The one
>article I read inwhich the interviewer asked why there has not been a more
>powerful DSP card, they (UAD) responded with the Lame(est) answer to amounted
>to really no answer at all. Saying things like we researching it, it a
detailed
>process..LAME...Even worst, the PCI-e cards offers no real improvement over
>the current dsp card..
>
>
>
>
>Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>Maybe they expect you to buy it right away? ;)
>>
>>I'm sort of stuck between buying 3 more UAD-1s and a Magma chassis, or
>>going for the WAVES SSL + V Series. I hate having to buy an ilok to try
>
>>them out, but if they're as good as some folks say, it would be nice to
>
>>have that many instances and be more portable for working in different
>>rooms.
>>
>>How much does a 7 or 13 space PCI Magma go for these days?
>>
>>Graham
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> yes, i know. I'm trying to get the deom to work. It automatically expired.
>
>>> Nice
>Chris,
Unless a _lot_ of things have changed since I last talked to an audio developer,
all of the audio DSP is being done in the floating point and (if you're lucky)
the vector units on the chips. So is there _any_ advantage to an app coded
in 64 bits other than RAM access? Second, considering that only a handful
of converters (in either direction) can even pas 20 bits of meaningful data,
why on earth would I _want_ DSP to be done on words larger than 32 bit float?
Maybe I'm missing something really really simple here, but I know, uh, a
little bit about computers, and I just don't understand the hype.
OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have to
be ready to take advantage of that.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>
>The only thing preventing any 64 bit advancement at this point the 3rd
>party software and hardware manufacturers to write 64 bit driver and
>program support. The host applications need to come first. There is
>nothing close to a fully 64 bit audio app on any platform. All the
>plug-ins in Sonar are 32 bit and running in a shell to function in a 64
>bit. All with anywhere from 5 to 10% resource hit. The plug-ins do get
>the benefit of address a full 4 gigs but in most case are performing no
>better and in some cases far worse with this method.
>Hardware developers right now do not have completely 64 bit coded
>drivers. In most cases they played with them enough so that they would
>install and function in a 64 bit OS and thats about it.
>ASIO is still 32 bit, VST is still 32 bit. There is supposedly 64 bit
>available in the VST spec but not in ASIO AFAIK though no one is doing
>anything with it.
>
>All of the main host programs run on 64 bit OS es just fine.
>32 bit apps like Cubendo, Reaper, Sonar, Samplitude all run great on
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>Windows 64 bit pro and can address up to 4 gigs of ram. But runs no
>better CPU performance wise than 32 bit XP. Windows 64 pro is basically
>just a stripped down Server 2003 64. But its more than likely gonna
>suffer a quiet death like Windows ME did.
>All of these except Nuendo will install correctly in Vista 64. but with
>the current bottle necks in Vista and the unfinished audio WaveRT driver
>spec don't expect very good performance out of it anytime soon.
>
>Sonar 32 bit no better than the 64 bit version ina 64 bit OS. The
>supposed benefit is you can use address beyond 4 gigs. Of course all of
>the VSTi in Sonar and all the 3rd party ones are 32 bit and they all
>still bottom out using Sonar's bit bridge at 4 gigs soooo.
>
>The blame for this lies with all the parties. MS for not getting
>development resources out to companies faster. Companies for using that
>as an excuse to be lazy in there development.
>
>Supposedly Steinyha are planning on Nuendo being 64 bit and finally
>making it so it can handle 4 or more core properly. But who knows.
>Every sense who ever in Germany decided to bail and cash in or whatever
>and sold to Pinnacle they have been in Chaos. Just before that point
>they were the most innovative and revolutionary company in the native
>audio software world and basically made the pro-audio sound card
>business outside be what it is today. There is not a single audio
>software that basically owes its very current existence to Steinberg
>innovations. But now who knows what their future is. Yamaha I think will
>hold on to them as long as possible and keep em going. Steinberg need to
>get back in focus soon before they loose too much more ground. I'm not
>sure who if anybody is actually steering the ship at this if anybody.
>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the
>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit OS??
I do
>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit)..
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to running
>> a
>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real advantages
>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32 bit
OS.
>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been 64
bits
>>> or more (or less in parallel, which is usually where you get the real
bump)
>>> for years now. Some people report incremental improvements using the
64
>> bit
>>> version of XP but I'll bet you hash brownies to has browns that's because
>>> M$oft is trickling their Server 2003 tech into XP 64 so it has better
memory
>>> management.
>>>
>>> If you're interested, XP 64 and Vista 64 are pretty much 64 bit through
>> and
>>> through. I don't know about driver support, but at the OS level. Cakewalk
>>> has a '64 bit audio engine' which since it's floating point can be used
>> on
>>> 32 bit versions of XP.
>>>
>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't think
>> 64
>>> bit operating systems make much difference.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I know apple has stated that they will be 64 OXS in October 07, when
can
>>> expect
>>>> MS to give us a true 64 bit OS ..?
>>>>
>>>> 2) When acan we expect the current DAW's to recode in 64 bit , rather
than
>>>> 32 bit.
>>>>
>>>> I read somewhere on Nuendo.com that that they (Steinberg) thinks 32
bit
>>> is
>>>> enough and that 64 bit is not needed. But, they are exploring the feasability
>>>> of going 64 bit.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile, the hardware market keeps advancing with newer faster stuff.
>>> most
>>>> of us are already 64 bit compatible. Only waiting for an WIn os and
64
>> bit
>>>> DAW to take full advantage of our current workstations..
>>>> We kkep porrign money into a 32 bit system trying to make a 32 bit OS
faster,
>>>> but we are only seeeing marginal returns. What gives??
>>>>
>>>> I think it's time to put on the brakes and just let the Hardware, software
>>>> companies come to an agreement .
>>>>
>>>> I'm sitting on the fence from here on. I'm still looking into Digital
mixers,
>>>> but that's it..
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comOK thanks.
Rod
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Cleanliness instead of godliness. It's a lot punchier sounding tio. It
>really brngs something to the table on low end sources and is very *forward*
>sounding. I like it much better than the UA LA-2A. (but with me, that was
>the case with the hardware units too).
>
>DJ
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:467b54c2$1@linux...
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>> So Deej, what's the LA3A give you that's different from the LA2A? I read
>> the stuff about faster response and all, but in terms of application and
>> gut response, what's the difference? From the blurb about it, I would
>> guess
>> it's more like an 1176 if you put it on the highest ratio and a fast
>> attack.
>> I've never worked with a real one myself.
>> Rod
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>A 13 Space Magma can be had for around $450.00 - $500.00. If you're
>>>interfacing PCI, a 7 space Magma won't work for 4 UAD-1 cards without
some
>>
>>>mighty risky IRQ sharing. I wouldn't even go there. I'm speaking from
>>>some
>>
>>>pretty extensive experience.
>>>
>>>I went ahead and bought the LA-3A because I had a voucher and they can
>>>always deauthorize me if I decide I don't want it....but I'll tell you
>>>what.....of all of the "vintage" UA pro
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Wed, 23 May 2007 14:22 |
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yes, i know. I'm trying to get the deom to work. It automatically
>>>>> expired. Nice
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>The UAD-1 cards must be more than a dongle. Based on UA's charts, the number
of plugins you can run is based on the card not the speed of your CPU. IE,
a slow machine can run the same number of plugins.
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>That's my point all along. I've been able to get that vinatge plugin sound
>with native plugins. The Sonalkis really does impart color and mimics vicage
>gear really well.. The waves SSL are very sweet and the word on the Waves
>V series is that they a Killer!!..
>
>I was never sold on the whole power PCI card thing ..even with superior
plugings
>such as the UADs.
>
>Plus, UAD has not imprived their card DSP power which begs the question
of
>: Does the card really speed up the plugins or is it just a dongle?
>
>UAD has been using the same DSP card for 5 years now!! What gives? The one
>article I read inwhich the interviewer asked why there has not been a more
>powerful DSP card, they (UAD) responded with the Lame(est) answer to amounted
>to really no answer at all. Saying things like we researching it, it a
detailed
>process..LAME...Even worst, the PCI-e cards offers no real improvement over
>the current dsp card..
>
>
>
>
>Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>Maybe they expect you to buy it right away? ;)
>>
>>I'm sort of stuck between buying 3 more UAD-1s and a Magma chassis, or
>>going for the WAVES SSL + V Series. I hate having to buy an ilok to try
>
>>them out, but if they're as good as some folks say, it would be nice to
>
>>have that many instances and be more portable for working in different
>>rooms.
>>
>>How much does a 7 or 13 space PCI Magma go for these days?
>>
>>Graham
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> yes, i know. I'm trying to get the deom to work. It automatically expired.
>
>>> Nice
>Hi,
i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch and
clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these effects
on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
regards,
DimitriosI use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode, or
something more colored.
Deej
"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>
> Hi,
>
>
> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
> and
> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
> effects
> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
> regards,
> Dimitrios"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode, or
>something more colored.
>
>Deej
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>> and
>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>> effects
>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>> regards,
>> Dimitrios
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode, or
>something more colored.
>
>Deej
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>> and
>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>> effects
>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>> It sounds as it
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85085 is a reply to message #84977] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 17:26 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
Registered: February 2006
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ta 64. but with
>
>>the current bottle necks in Vista and the unfinished audio WaveRT driver
>
>>spec don't expect very good performance out of it anytime soon.
>>
>>Sonar 32 bit no better than the 64 bit version ina 64 bit OS. The
>>supposed benefit is you can use address beyond 4 gigs. Of course all of
>
>>the VSTi in Sonar and all the 3rd party ones are 32 bit and they all
>>still bottom out using Sonar's bit bridge at 4 gigs soooo.
>>
>>The blame for this lies with all the parties. MS for not getting
>>development resources out to companies faster. Companies for using that
>
>>as an excuse to be lazy in there development.
>>
>>Supposedly Steinyha are planning on Nuendo being 64 bit and finally
>>making it so it can handle 4 or more core properly. But who knows.
>>Every sense who ever in Germany decided to bail and cash in or whatever
>
>>and sold to Pinnacle they have been in Chaos. Just before that point
>>they were the most innovative and revolutionary company in the native
>>audio software world and basically made the pro-audio sound card
>>business outside be what it is today. There is not a single audio
>>software that basically owes its very current existence to Steinberg
>>innovations. But now who knows what their future is. Yamaha I think will
>
>>hold on to them as long as possible and keep em going. Steinberg need to
>
>>get back in focus soon before they loose too much more ground. I'm not
>>sure who if anybody is actually steering the ship at this if anybody.
>>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the
>>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit OS??
>I do
>>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit)..
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to running
>>> a
>>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real advantages
>>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32 bit
>OS.
>>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been
64
>bits
>>>> or more (or less in parallel, which is usually where you get the real
>bump)
>>>> for years now. Some people report incremental improvements using the
>64
>>> bit
>>>> version of XP but I'll bet you hash brownies to has browns that's because
>>>> M$oft is trickling their Server 2003 tech into XP 64 so it has better
>memory
>>>> management.
>>>>
>>>> If you're interested, XP 64 and Vista 64 are pretty much 64 bit through
>>> and
>>>> through. I don't know about driver support, but at the OS level. Cakewalk
>>>> has a '64 bit audio engine' which since it's floating point can be used
>>> on
>>>> 32 bit versions of XP.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't think
>>> 64
>>>> bit operating systems make much difference.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I know apple has stated that they will be 64 OXS in October 07, when
>can
>>>> expect
>>>>> MS to give us a true 64 bit OS ..?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) When acan we expect the current DAW's to recode in 64 bit , rather
>than
>>>>> 32 bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I read somewhere on Nuendo.com that that they (Steinberg) thinks 32
>bit
>>>> is
>>>>> enough and that 64 bit is not needed. But, they are exploring the feasability
>>>>> of going 64 bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, the hardware market keeps advancing with newer faster stuff.
>>>> most
>>>>> of us are already 64 bit compatible. Only waiting for an WIn os and
>64
>>> bit
>>>>> DAW to take full advantage of our current workstations..
>>>>> We kkep porrign money into a 32 bit system trying to make a 32 bit
OS
>faster,
>>>>> but we are only seeeing marginal returns. What gives??
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's time to put on the brakes and just let the Hardware, software
>>>>> companies come to an agreement .
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sitting on the fence from here on. I'm still looking into Digital
>mixers,
>>>>> but that's it..
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>
>>ADK Pro Audio
>>(859) 635-5762
>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>SORRY for double empty posts !
DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money will
be enouph !!
What I really want to know is the following.
I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
DA.
After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in sound,
sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
field.
He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get RECORDED
!
Isn't that so ?
If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't the
soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
Thats a serious one here !
Cheers,
Dimitrios
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
>
>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
>
>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>
>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
or
>
>>something more colored.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>
>>> and
>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>
>>> effects
>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>> regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>>
>>
>Now Guys..Really now.
Do you realy think this goverment has the capacity and wherewithall to achieve
said list of DJ's??
Aren't you guys the ones who are always saying that the Gove can't run a
national health care system? How can they effectivly pull off this off??
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:467b3fb6@linux...
>> Deportation is not necessary. If we spent $100 mill putting Americans
who
>> hire illegals in jail, in short order there would be no jobs and the
>> illegals would have to go home (unless of course we put them all on
>> welfare).
>
>Build "major" fence.
>Hire an additional 50K personnell to enforce existing borders and another
>100k to enforce immigration laws, checking on emloyyers who hire migrant
>workers and doing whatever duties are necessary to enforce INS laws.
>Citizens of this country required to carry National ID (with proof of
>citizenship required to get one).
>Allow workers who are here illegally to stay if they have a job with an
>employer
>That employer must withhold taxes and provide a basic medical insurance
>policy.-the employer is basically the workers sponsor at this point and
is
>reaponsible for him/her.
>Employees must purchase vehicle insurance.
>Worker receives a Worker-guest card that entitles them to basic
>(rudimentary) medical services under employers medical insurance policy.
>worker can buy supplemental healthcare which will be only good as long as
>his/her status is legimate.
>Worker can change jobs just like any American citizen.
>Worker-guest card is forfeit upon leaving job and new "ttransitional " card
>is issued - good for two weeks.
>Workers can only receive social services with proof of
>employment/worker-guest card or temporary "unexpired" transitional card.
>If card expires, they are considered illegal and are subject to immediate
>deportation and denial of all social services.
>Employers receive a $20,000 fine *per instance* if caught hiring illegal
>workers
>No more sanctuary cities. Law enforcement is *required* to randomly check
>national ID/worker cards
>Profiling allowed (I hate this, but it's necessary)
>If someone doesn't have valid National ID or workers card, they are detained
>until they can show proof. No proof, you go back to country of origin.
>Worker gets busted for serious misdemeanor.......goes home - can reapply
for
>worker permit within 1 year. Felony, goes to jail, then home.- never come
>back.
>Rescind the law that allows children born of non-citizens in this country
to
>be automatic citizens.
>
>
>
>>
>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com <mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com>> wrote
in
>>> message news:467591fd@linux...
>>> >
>>> > Aaron, do you have any sources of data for the actual cost of
>>> providing
>>> > health care to illegal aliens? What numbers are you using?
>>> >
>>> > Do you know the amount of taxes paid by illegal aliens?
>>> >
>>> > Do you know the amount of money saved in the economy, overall, by
the
>>> > low wages they are paid?
>>> >
>>> > I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats you are
>>> using.
>>> This'll get you started. And they're old numbers for the most part,
>>> could be an improvement in the situation but I seriously doubt it. I've
>>> seen growth in my area for sure and I'd expect the same for this region
>>> of states all the way to Cali.
>>> This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal
>>> immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused
on
>>> the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments,
>>> but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when
>>> all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered,
>>> illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level
of
>>> more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an
>>> amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly
>>> $29 billion.
>>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
>>> Washington Post found about the same thing
>>> "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion
in
>>> costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in
>>> taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per
>>> illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug 25.html
>>> Here's a 2004 finding
>>> http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/ 19_56_5812_5_04.txt
>>> SBI ain't cuttin it in this 2006 study.
>>> http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html
>>> Deportation doesn't seem such a great idea
>>>
>>>
>>> 27 July 2005
>>>
>>>
>>> New Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A
>>> Year…Do They Take American Express??
>>>
>>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/>
>>>
>>> [Bryanna Bevens <http://blog.vdare.com/archives/author/bryanna-bevens/>]
>>> @ 11:24 am [Email author <mailto:bbevens@vdareedit.com?subject=New Study:
>>> Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A Year…Do They Take
>>> American Express??>] [Email This Article]
>>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/email/>
>
>>> [Print This Article]
>>> < http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/print/>
>
>>> Recently, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich suggested that we
>>> round up and deport the millions of illegal aliens who currently reside
>>> in the U.S.
>>>
>>> Silly mortal…what on earth was he thinking? Simple solutions to
>>> complicated problems just confuse the powers that be–he should have used
>>> graphs and flow charts…you know, visual aids that provide an opportunity
>>> for interpretation.
>>>
>>> To discourage the idea, the Center for American Progress
>>> <http://www.americanprogress.org/>(CAP–whatever that’s supposed to be)
>>> prepared a sort of makeshift cost/benefit analysis
>>> < http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF& b=913099>for
>>> deporting millions of illegal aliens.
>>>
>>> Hmm…I wonder what they determined?? Surprise, surprise, surprise…the
cost
>>> is astronomical. In fact, according to CAP, the solution is cost
>>> prohibitive.
>>>
>>> [extracted from the report linked below]
>>>
>>> “Using publicly available data, we estimate the costs of a mass
>>> deportation effort to be at least $206 billion over five years ($41.2
>>> billion annually), and could be as high as $230 billion or more. Spending
>>> $41.2 billion annually would exceed the entire budget of the Department
>>> of Homeland Security for FY 2006 ($34.2 billion) and more than double
the
>>> annual cost of military operations in Afghanistan ($16.8 billion).”
>>>
>>> http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-am erican-express/
>>> I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point in
>>> google warring?
>>> Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals,
>>> they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without
>>> blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to
>>> trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and
how
>>> many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in?
>>> Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will
it
>>> blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in goods/services
>>> but the big question lies in will the spending in the medical expenses
>>> and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how does our legal low
>>> end applicants play into that? How many of our legal jobless will
>>> suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves and family,
and
>>> better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, Mexicans or any other
>>> cultures. It's about responsibility to our house and ourselves and those
>>> around us. Perhaps others just see responsibility in a different way
than
>>> I do.
>>>
>>> Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should all
>>> pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers
>>> playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate
>>> more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to pay
>>> for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money pit
>>> volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for
it
>>> too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I am
not
>>> a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my dudes/dudettes.
>>> I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about
that
>>> spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't mind
>>> giving. But I want to give smart.
>>>
>>> What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my family/my
>>> friends/my community have to continue the payments and they have to stay
>>> enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do for themselves
>>> if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be handled differently
>>> per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and are eating my family's
>>> food why on God's green earth would I hand them something else out of
my
>>> house bank account?
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens.
We
>>> > can and should address the immigration issue separately.
>>> >
>>>
>>> My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just
have
>>> to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the last
>>> year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain tumor.
>>> She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro, first hand.
>>> I could relate some horror stories.
>>> Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such
:)
>>>
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > -Jamie
>>> > www.JamieKrutz.com <http://www.jamiekrutz.com/>
>>>
>>> Cheers back atcha'
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Aaron Allen wrote:
>>> >> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>> wrote
>>> in message news:46755eae$1@linux...
>>> >>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like
>>> you
>>> >>> is:
>>> >>> "Then, what is the cure"??
>>> >>
>>> >> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since
>>> you
>>> >> don't see what I meant.
>>> >>
>>> >> the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator,
>>> then
>>> >> hold the
>>> >>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>> >>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker
>>> >>> because
>>> >>> of govt mandates.
>>> >>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need
the
>>> fed
>>> >>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth.
I'd
>>> >> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life,
>>> and see
>>> >> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region,
>>> >> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing
>>> of
>>> >> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc....
>>> >> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think
>>> the very
>>> >> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders.
>>> Illegals?
>>> >> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired
>>> of you
>>> >> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be
in
>>> line
>>> >> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other
>>> programs. Don't
>>> >> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes
and
>>> >> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary?
>>> At this
>>> >> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck
>>> for
>>> >> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this
>>> point
>>> >> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going
>>> too
>>> >> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take
>>> the best
>>> >> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I
>>> have to
>>> >> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
>>> >>
>>> >> And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people
>>> feel
>>> >> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free
>>> health care
>>> >> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has
got
>>> a real
>>> >> historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement
>>> becomes
>>> >> dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not
>>> necessarily
>>> >> always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery
>>> like
>>> >> that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't
>>> and I'm
>>> >> sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to
>>> survive so
>>> >> you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously
>>> not see
>>> >> that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells?
>>> >>
>>> >>> If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for
>>> >>> employer
>>> >>> pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic
>>> end.
>>> >>> Even
>>> >>> with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their
>>> >>> employee
>>> >>> top notch medical care.
>>> >>
>>> >> Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being
>>> bilked
>>> >> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That
is
>>> very
>>> >> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and
>>> free
>>> >> loaders.
>>> >>
>>> >>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who
>>> belive that
>>> >>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford
>>> it..
>>> >>
>>> >> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them
>>> from my
>>> >> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal
>>> entry
>>> >> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to
>>> that,
>>> >> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately
>>> we
>>> >> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into
the
>>> >> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>>> >>
>>> >>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can
>>> pay for
>>> >>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many
>>> >>> families
>>> >>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With
>>> rising
>>> >>> fuel
>>> >>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these
>>> days..
>>> >>
>>> >> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>>> >> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to
>>> those
>>> >> numbers as an average.
>>> >>
>>> >>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only
one
>>> >>> catstrophic
>>> >>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>>> >>> horrible!!
>>> >>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked
>>> from you
>>> >>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has
>>> some
>>> >>>
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Wed, 23 May 2007 18:02 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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>>> coverage.
>>> >>
>>> >> And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal
>>> (how
>>> >> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on
>>> welfare or
>>> >> don't have insurance/money?
>>> >>
>>> >> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what
>>> they can
>>> >> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are
>>> now. Those
>>> >> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take
>>> it away
>>> >> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets
>>> screwed
>>> >> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the
>>> health
>>> >> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool
>>> can look
>>> >> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen.
>>> I've
>>> >> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon.
>>> I'm not
>>> >> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it
>>> doesn't work
>>> >> for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've
>>> got to
>>> >> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because
so
>>> many
>>> >> things are a result of this root issue.
>>> >>
>>> >> AA
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude
>>> <mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude>> wrote:
>>> >>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that
>>> the
>>> >>>> 'govt'
>>> >>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then
hold
>>> the
>>> >>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>> >>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care
>>> worker
>>> >>>> because
>>> >>>> of govt mandates.
>>> >>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need
>>> the fed
>>> >>>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> AA
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com <http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
>>> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>> >>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>>
>>> wrote in message
>>> >>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>> >>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand
>>> those
>>> >>> who
>>> >>>>>> say
>>> >>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you
and
>>> yours
>>> >>>>>> then
>>> >>>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a
>>> even wost
>>> >>>>>> job.
>>> >>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can
>>> hear
>>> >>>>>> someone
>>> >>>>>> saying by who??
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients
is
>>> >>>>> because
>>> >>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>
>But LaMont, all of the audio DSP/summing/mixing floating point processing,
which could be 100% 64 bit on a 32 bit operating system. Hell, it could be
128 bit if people wanted it to be with most processors. And keep in mind,
let's say this is your 32 bit word
1011101010100001010101010000011
Now let's say you have a 64 bit word that is identical for the first 32 bits,
and then is different. It might look like this.
101110101010000101010101000001100111110101100010101010100000 10
Now if you do the same math on both of those words you _might_ have a different
result in the 32nd place holder i.e. here
1011101010100001010101010000011
^
Every other bit will be exactly the same. Even thinking of these as decimal
numbers (where adding a place holder multiplies the number represented by
a factor of ten) for our stupid little decimal brains I can't see that mattering.
In the case o
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85089 is a reply to message #85023] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 18:36 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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w you do, it's a matter of preference
not precision. I.e. you don't need more bits you need the programmers to
program them more the way you want things to sound.
Do, don't, do, don't, don't believe the hype. Believe the math.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have to
>be ready to take advantage of that.
>
>You are right. They will have to re-code to take advantage all of that raw
>power.
>But, I think one area where 64 bit code can help in, and that is wiith digital
>Summming. I think for a lot of DAWs, a bigger pipe could help..Right now,
>32bits is ok , until you start hitting the sum bus hard.
>
>Maybe, just maybe , they start instituting "modeling" of famous analogy
mixers
>summing..
>
>I disagree with you about 32 bit being enough. As with Asio and vst. You
>know that when you start bogging down down a project with audio tracks-0ver
>50, with eq & comps -30..vsti's 4, verbs 3....The asio/vst pipe starts to
>shrink..And it's very audible..
>
>My hope and others are with 64bit, steinberg/Digi, Cakewalk, Motu and others
>can over this bottle neck, and let us (Mixers) Mix like we are use to.(Massive
>Head Room).. You know like Paris..
>They are gettign there.. With every update to ProTools (LE, Mpowered and
>HD) the suming get's better and better.
>
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Chris,
>>
>>Unless a _lot_ of things have changed since I last talked to an audio developer,
>>all of the audio DSP is being done in the floating point and (if you're
>lucky)
>>the vector units on the chips. So is there _any_ advantage to an app coded
>>in 64 bits other than RAM access? Second, considering that only a handful
>>of converters (in either direction) can even pas 20 bits of meaningful
data,
>>why on earth would I _want_ DSP to be done on words larger than 32 bit
float?
>>
>>Maybe I'm missing something really really simple here, but I know, uh,
a
>>little bit about computers, and I just don't understand the hype.
>>
>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have
to
>>be ready to take advantage of that.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>Hi Lamont,
>&
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Wed, 23 May 2007 18:05 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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ise than 32 bit XP. Windows 64 pro is basically
>>
>>>just a stripped down Server 2003 64. But its more than likely gonna
>>>suffer a quiet death like Windows ME did.
>>>All of these except Nuendo will install correctly in Vista 64. but with
>>
>>>the current bottle necks in Vista and the unfinished audio WaveRT driver
>>
>>>spec don't expect very good performance out of it anytime soon.
>>>
>>>Sonar 32 bit no better than the 64 bit version ina 64 bit OS. The
>>>supposed benefit is you can use address beyond 4 gigs. Of course all of
>>
>>>the VSTi in Sonar and all the 3rd party ones are 32 bit and they all
>>>still bottom out using Sonar's bit bridge at 4 gigs soooo.
>>>
>>>The blame for this lies with all the parties. MS for not getting
>>>development resources out to companies faster. Companies for using that
>>
>>>as an excuse to be lazy in there development.
>>>
>>>Supposedly Steinyha are planning on Nuendo being 64 bit and finally
>>>making it so it can handle 4 or more core properly. But who knows.
>>>Every sense who ever in Germany decided to bail and cash in or whatever
>>
>>>and sold to Pinnacle they have been in Chaos. Just before that point
>>>they were the most innovative and revolutionary company in the native
>>>audio software world and basically made the pro-audio sound card
>>>business outside be what it is today. There is not a single audio
>>>software that basically owes its very current existence to Steinberg
>>>innovations. But now who knows what their future is. Yamaha I think will
>>
>>>hold on to them as long as possible and keep em going. Steinberg need
to
>>
>>>get back in focus soon before they loose too much more ground. I'm not
>
>>>sure who if anybody is actually steering the ship at this if anybody.
>>>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the
>>>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit OS??
>>I do
>>>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit)..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to running
>>>> a
>>>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real advantages
>>>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32 bit
>>OS.
>>>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been
>64
>>bits
>>>>> or more (or less in parallel, which is usually where you get the real
>>bump)
>>>>> for years now. Some people report incremental improvements using the
>>64
>>>> bit
>>>>> version of XP but I'll bet you hash brownies to has browns that's because
>>>>> M$oft is trickling their Server 2003 tech into XP 64 so it has better
>>memory
>>>>> management.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're interested, XP 64 and Vista 64 are pretty much 64 bit through
>>>> and
>>>>> through. I don't know about driver support, but at the OS level. Cakewalk
>>>>> has a '64 bit audio engine' which since it's floating point can be
used
>>>> on
>>>>> 32 bit versions of XP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't think
>>>> 64
>>>>> bit operating systems make much difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I know apple has stated that they will be 64 OXS in October 07, when
>>can
>>>>> expect
>>>>>> MS to give us a true 64 bit OS ..?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) When acan we expect the current DAW's to recode in 64 bit , rather
>>than
>>>>>> 32 bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read somewhere on Nuendo.com that that they (Steinberg) thinks 32
>>bit
>>>>> is
>>>>>> enough and that 64 bit is not needed. But, they are exploring the
feasability
>>>>>> of going 64 bit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, the hardware market keeps advancing with newer faster stuff.
>>>>> most
>>>>>> of us are already 64 bit compatible. Only waiting for an WIn os and
>>64
>>>> bit
>>>>>> DAW to take full advantage of our current workstations..
>>>>>> We kkep porrign money into a 32 bit system trying to make a 32 bit
>OS
>>faster,
>>>>>> but we are only seeeing marginal returns. What gives??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's time to put on the brakes and just let the Hardware,
software
>>>>>> companies come to an agreement .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sitting on the fence from here on. I'm still looking into Digital
>>mixers,
>>>>>> but that's it..
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>OK, I want to poke my eyeballs out with a sharpened coat hanger. The sounds
start out as 1s and 0s. Nothing more, nothing less. They have no vibe, no
opinion, no mojo, no plans, no depth, no clarity no nothing. They're just
a bunch of effin 1s and 0s, a whole flipping bunch of them. Then they go
to your DA
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Wed, 23 May 2007 18:33 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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;SORRY for double empty posts !
>
>DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
will
>be enouph !!
>What I really want to know is the following.
>I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
>DA.
>After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in sound,
>sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>field.
>He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get RECORDED
>!
>Isn't that so ?
>If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
>out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't the
>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>Thats a serious one here !
>Cheers,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
>>
>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
>>
>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>>
>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>or
>>
>>>something more colored.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>>
>>>> and
>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>>
>>>> effects
>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>> regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>>
>>
>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has one
of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from a
system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night and
day.
Deej
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>
> SORRY for double empty posts !
>
> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
> will
> be enouph !!
> What I really want to know is the following.
> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
> DA.
> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
> sound,
> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
> field.
> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
> RECORDED
> !
> Isn't that so ?
> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't the
> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
> Thats a serious one here !
> Cheers,
> Dimitrios
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to Mytek
>>
>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar). Mine
>>
>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>>
>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
> or
>>
>>>something more colored.
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>>
>>>> and
>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>>
>>>> effects
>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>> regards,
>>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>>
>>
>Thad,
I'm using aBenchmark DAC-1 for my final D/A conversion. It reclocks anything
it's handed to 96k before it exdcretes it out the D/A. It's a wunnerful lil'
thang.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:467bee5d$1@linux...
>
> OK, I want to poke my eyeballs out with a sharpened coat hanger. The
> sounds
> start out as 1s and 0s. Nothing more, nothing less. They have no vibe, no
> opinion, no mojo, no plans, no depth, no clarity no nothing. They're just
> a bunch of effin 1s and 0s, a whole flipping bunch of them. Then they go
> to your DA converter and are turned into electricity. If you do what
> you're
> suggesting, then that electricity goes back to the AD converter. The AD
> turns
> the electricity back into 1s and 0s. Now, if it does its job perfectly you
> will have EXACTLY THE SAME STRING OF 1s AND 0s! If you don't, then your
> fancy
> DA converter is not doing its job, and DA converters should be measured by
> the degree to which they can exactly replicate a file under these
> conditions.
>
>
> So, if your mytek does its job your mix will sound EXACTLY like it did
> through
> the RME when you play it back through the RME again.
>
> TCB
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote:
>>
>>SORRY for double empty posts !
>>
>>DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
> will
>>be enouph !!
>>What I really want to know is the following.
>>I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
>>DA.
>>After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
>>sound,
>>sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>field.
>>He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>RECORDED
>>!
>>Isn't that so ?
>>If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
>>out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't the
>>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>Thats a serious one here !
>>Cheers,
>>Dimitrios
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>>>>Mytek
>>>
>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>>>Mine
>>>
>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>>>
>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>>or
>>>
>>>>something more colored.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>>>>> punch
>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>>>
>>>>> effects
>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>But you know you can't record clock. If you did what Dimitrios is talking
about and then attached a crap DA and played back the file you looped through
the Benchmark it would still sound like crap.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Thad,
>
>I'm using aBenchmark DAC-1 for my final D/A conversion. It reclocks anything
>it's handed to 96k before it exdcretes it out the D/A. It's a wunnerful
lil'
>thang.
>
>;o)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:467bee5d$1@linux...
>>
>> OK, I want to poke my eyeballs out with a sharpened coat hanger. The
>> sounds
>> start out as 1s and 0s. Nothing more, nothing less. They have no vibe,
no
>> opinion, no mojo, no plans, no depth, no clarity no nothing. They're just
>> a bunch of effin 1s and 0s, a whole flipping bunch of them. Then they
go
>> to your DA converter and are turned into electricity. If you do what
>> you're
>> suggesting, then that electricity goes back to the AD converter. The AD
>> turns
>> the electricity back into 1s and 0s. Now, if it does its job perfectly
you
>> will have EXACTLY THE SAME STRING OF 1s AND 0s! If you don't, then your
>> fancy
>> DA converter is not doing its job, and DA converters should be measured
by
>> the degree to which they can exactly replicate a file under these
>> conditions.
>>
>>
>> So, if your mytek does its job your mix will sound EXACTLY like it did
>> through
>> the RME when you play it back through the RME again.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote:
>>>
>>>SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>
>>>DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
>> will
>>>be enouph !!
>>>What I really want to know is the following.
>>>I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
>>>DA.
>>>After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
>>>sound,
>>>sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>>field.
>>>He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>>So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>>RECORDED
>>>!
>>>Isn't that so ?
>>>If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
>>>out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
the
>>>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>Thats a serious one here !
>>>Cheers,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>>>>>Mytek
>>>>
>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>>>>Mine
>>>>
>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You might
>>>>
>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>>>or<
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Wed, 23 May 2007 20:38 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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t;>>> punch
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
these
>>>>>
>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike a
Masterlink, but dimitrios' converter has a BNC clock out (it's an AD/DA and
so he should be able to clock the whole system with this.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf212$1@linux...
>
> But, that difference isn't translated into the bounced-down
> stereo mix (as far as I know, anyway) the rendered stereo file
> is what it is... unless you're clocking from the cleaner/jitter-
> free clock, as well.
>
> IOW, you're just hearing it better over the monitors - not
> making a difference as to what the 2-mix will sound like
> when you play it back on another system, for example.
> This assumes that you're rendering to digital, ITB; not going out
> of your DAW into another box or Masterlink or whatever to record
> the 2-mix to.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has one
>
>>of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from a
>
>>system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
>
>>Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night
> and
>>day.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>>>
>>> SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>
>>> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
>
>>> will
>>> be enouph !!
>>> What I really want to know is the following.
>>> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>>> primary
>>> DA.
>>> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
>
>>> sound,
>>> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>> field.
>>> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>> RECORDED
>>> !
>>> Isn't that so ?
>>> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
>>> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
> the
>>> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>> Thats a serious one here !
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dimitrios
>>>
>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>>>>>Mytek
>>>>
>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
> Mine
>>>>
>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>>>>>might
>>>>
>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>>> or
>>>>
>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>>>>>> punch
>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>>>>>> these
>>>>
>>>>>> effects
>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:467bf2b3$1@linux...
>
> Dear TCB,
> Back to the future thing...
> The Mytek DA is doing something great to the sound that COMES out from the
> analog outputs , right ?
Yes.
> Thats why we can here this on any analo mediumlike my powered monitors.
> So lets say we record these Mytek's analog outs to another medium that
> might
> be ana anlog tape machine or another digital device with great AD
> converters
> like say Mytek, ok ?
Yes.
> NOW lets record RME's outputs playing the same file which sound small an
> distorted compared to the other and record this on same medium .
> Isn't obvious that these two files will be totally different and the first
> "myteked file will have at least 90% of what we were hearing from mytek's
> out while "RME" file will be like rme was in the first place ?
> I am very very curious if we get something here !!!
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
You are correct.
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, I want to poke my eyeballs out with a sharpened coat hanger. The
>>sounds
>>start out as 1s and 0s. Nothing more, nothing less. They have no vibe, no
>>opinion, no mojo, no plans, no depth, no clarity no nothing. They're just
>>a bunch of effin 1s and 0s, a whole flipping bunch of them. Then they go
>>to your DA converter and are turned into electricity. If you do what
>>you're
>>suggesting, then that electricity goes back to the AD converter. The AD
> turns
>>the electricity back into 1s and 0s. Now, if it does its job perfectly you
>>will have EXACTLY THE SAME STRING OF 1s AND 0s! If you don't, then your
> fancy
>>DA converter is not doing its job, and DA converters should be measured
> by
>>the degree to which they can exactly replicate a file under these
>>conditions.
>>
>>
>>So, if your
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... isn't the
>>>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>Thats a serious one here !
>>>Cheers,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>>>>>Mytek
>>>>
>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
> Mine
>>>>
>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>>>>>might
>>>>
>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in &q
Regards,
Brian T
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which opens up the stero field adds
>>>>>> punch
>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>>>>>> these
>>>>
>>>>>> effects
>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Then yes, based on your post & his last one before it, he would
indeed be recording the "better (jitter-free) mix to the 2-track
tape. IOW, in this connection/routing scenario, it would be the
same mix as he would be hearing over the speakers.
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike
a
>Masterlink, but dimitrios' converter has a BNC clock out (it's an AD/DA
and
>so he should be able to clock the whole system with this.
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf212$1@linux...
>>
>> But, that difference isn't translated into the bounced-down
>> stereo mix (as far as I know, anyway) the rendered stereo file
>> is what it is... unless you're clocking from the cleaner/jitter-
>> free clock, as well.
>>
>> IOW, you're just hearing it better over the monitors - not
>> making a difference as to what the 2-mix will sound like
>> when you play it back on another system, for example.
>> This assumes that you're rendering to digital, ITB; not going out
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Wed, 23 May 2007 21:34 |
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>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>
>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Right.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf844$1@linux...
>
> Then yes, based on your post & his last one before it, he would
> indeed be recording the "better (jitter-free) mix to the 2-track
> tape. IOW, in this connection/routing scenario, it would be the
> same mix as he would be hearing over the speakers.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike
> a
>>Masterlink, but dimitrios' converter has a BNC clock out (it's an AD/DA
> and
>>so he should be able to clock the whole system with this.
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf212$1@linux...
>>>
>>> But, that difference isn't translated into the bounced-down
>>> stereo mix (as far as I know, anyway) the rendered stereo file
>>> is what it is... unle
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Wed, 23 May 2007 21:46 |
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ss you're clocking from the cleaner/jitter-
>>> free clock, as well.
>>>
>>> IOW, you're just hearing it better over the monitors - not
>>> making a difference as to what the 2-mix will sound like
>>> when you play it back on another system, for example.
>>> This assumes that you're rendering to digital, ITB; not going out
>>> of your DAW into another box or Masterlink or whatever to record
>>> the 2-mix to.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has
> one
>>>
>>>>of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from
> a
>>>
>>>>system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
>>>
>>>>Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night
>>> and
>>>>day.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when
>>>>> money
>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>> be enouph !!
>>>>> What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>>>>> primary
>>>>> DA.
>>>>> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
>>>
>>>>> sound,
>>>>> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider
>>>>> stereo
>>>>> field.
>>>>> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not
>>>>> quite.
>>>>> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>>>> RECORDED
>>>>> !
>>>>> Isn't that so ?
>>>>> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the
>>>>> spdif
>>>>> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>> the
>>>>> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>> Thats a serious one here !
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>
>>>>>>>Mytek
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>> Mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice"
>>>>>>>mode,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>
>>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Ok then,
The analog tape would show the difference, what about a recording using AD
again with SAME clock (mytek's own), wouldn't that be also a "better mix
" ?
If all the above have some truthness then the mastering houses might using
the Gold Lavry's to embeddend the "better sound coming out of them !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Then yes, based on your post & his last one before it, he would
>indeed be recording the "better (jitter-free) mix to the 2-track
>tape. IOW, in this connection/routing scenario, it would be the
>same mix as he would be hearing over the speakers.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike
>a
>>Masterlink, but dimitrios' converter has a BNC clock out (it's an AD/DA
>and
>>so he should be able to clock the whole system with this.
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf212$1@linux...
>>>
>>> But, that difference isn't translated into the bounced-down
>>> stereo mix (as far as I know, anyway) the rendered stereo file
>>> is what it is... unless you're clocking from the cleaner/jitter-
>>> free clock, as well.
>>>
>>> IOW, you're just hearing it better over the monitors - not
>>> making a difference as to what the 2-mix will sound like
>>> when you play it back on another system, for example.
>>> This assumes that you're rendering to digital, ITB; not going out
>>> of your DAW into another box or Masterlink or whatever to record
>>> the 2-mix to.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has
>one
>>>
>>>>of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from
>a
>>>
>>>>system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
>>>
>>>>Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night
>>> and
>>>>day.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>> be enouph !!
>>>>> What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>>>>> primary
>>>>> DA.
>>>>> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change
in
>>>
>>>>> sound,
>>>>> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>>>> field.
>>>>> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>>>> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>
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Wed, 23 May 2007 21:50 |
Deej [4]
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;>>> RECORDED
>>>>> !
>>>>> Isn't that so ?
>>>>> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the
spdif
>>>>> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>> the
>>>>> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>> Thats a serious one here !
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>
>>>>>>>Mytek
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>> Mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>
>>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>To clarify - you can get jitter in two places - going
in/recording and going out/playback. The worst, is of course,
going in - because you're stuck with that... once it's there,
you can't get rid of it.
Unless there's a De-jitterizer plugin that I'm not aware of :)
Neil
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Then yes, based on your post & his last one before it, he would
>indeed be recording the "better (jitter-free) mix to the 2-track
>tape. IOW, in this connection/routing scenario, it would be the
>same mix as he would be hearing over the speakers.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike
>a
>>Masterlink, but dimitrios' converter has a BNC clock out (it's an AD/DA
>and
>>so he should be able to clock the whole system with this.
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467bf212$1@linux...
>>>
>>> But, that difference isn't translated into the bounced-down
>>> stereo mix (as far as I know, anyway) the rendered stereo file
>>> is what it is... unless you're clocking from the cleaner/jitter-
>>> free clock, as well.
>>>
>>> IOW, you're just hearing it better over the monitors - not
>>> making a difference as to what the 2-mix will sound like
>>> when you play it back on another system, for example.
>>> This assumes that you're rendering to digital, ITB; not going out
>>> of your DAW into another box or Masterlink or whatever to record
>>> the 2-mix to.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has
>one
>>>
>>>>of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from
>a
>>>
>>>>system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
>>>
>>>>Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night
>>> and
>>>>day.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>> be enouph !!
>>>>> What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>>>>> primary
>>>>> DA.
>>>>> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change
in
>>>
>>>>> sound,
>>>>> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>>>> field.
>>>>> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>>>> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>>>> RECORDED
>>>>> !
>>>>> Isn't that so ?
>>>>> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the
spdif
>>>>> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>> the
>>>>> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>> Thats a serious one here !
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached to
>
>>>>>>>Mytek
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>> Mine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice" mode,
>>>>> or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>
>>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Mytek's own device has THRE dejitterizers !!
for analog and digital ins/outs !!
Super !
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>To clarify - you can get jitter in two places - going
>in/recording and going out/playback. The worst, is of course,
>going in - because you're stuck with that... once it's there,
>you can't get rid of it.
>
>Unless there's a De-jitterizer plugin that I'm not aware of :)
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Then yes, based on your post & his last one before it, he would
>>indeed be recording the "better (jitter-free) mix to the 2-track
>>tape. IOW, in this connection/routing scenario, it would be the
>>same mix as he would be hearing over the speakers.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Correct...you would have to be recording through the D/A to somethihnglike
>>a
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Wed, 23 May 2007 21:51 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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t;>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>This is because the Mytek is probably reclocking the signal. Mytek has
>>one
>>>>
>>>>>of the best clocks made.. You may not think you're hearing jitter from
>>a
>>>>
>>>>>system, until you use a high quality DA. Then the difference is obvious.
>>>>
>>>>>Much more depth, imaging and clarity. It's the difference between night
>>>> and
>>>>>day.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote in message news:467be722$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when
money
>>>>
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> be enouph !!
>>>>>> What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>>> I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>>>>>> primary
>>>>>> DA.
>>>>>> After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change
>in
>>>>
>>>>>> sound,
>>>>>> sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider
stereo
>>>>>> field.
>>>>>> He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>>>>> So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>>>>>> RECORDED
>>>>>> !
>>>>>> Isn't that so ?
>>>>>> If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the
>spdif
>>>>>> out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>>> the
>>>>>> soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>>> Thats a serious one here !
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached
to
>>
>>>>>>>>Mytek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>>> Mine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA. You
>>
>>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice"
mode,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds
>>
>>>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>>
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad
??
>>>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>LaMont,
Which Sonalksis plugs are you using? All of them?
Graham
LaMont wrote:
> Wow.. Now, we can have today a mix template of SSL and Neve 88rs channles
> strips. I love my Sonalkis plugs.. This new Plugin from UAD might make me
> finnaly purchase a dongle card just for the 88rs plug..
>
> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>> http://www.uaudio.com/
>>
>> LA-3A and a Neve 88RS Channel Strip. Interesting...
>>
>> Graham
>I would agree with the hardware difference description - well done, DJ...
But, solidifying my ever growing reputation as a toxic old fart, I have decided
not to demo or even download the new goodies...I'm very content with the
1176, LA2, and proprietary Samplitude comps (plus you know what a fan I am
of the old Ashly
stuff)...
I still haven't gotten around to downloading the Roland Dimension D...:)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Cleanliness instead of godliness. It's a lot punchier sounding tio. It
>really brngs something to the table on low end sources and is very *forward*
>sounding. I like it much better than the UA LA-2A. (but with me, that was
>the case with the hardware units too).
>
>DJ
>Then it will sound different because of tape.
My point is if the DA and AD do their jobs correctly the files will be literally
_identical_. Down to the last bit. If it doesn't then your converter is being
used as an effect, which I think is insane. You could just as easily render
the file, burn it to a CD and listen through your Mytek.
It's your stuff, do what you want. I still go by the dinosaur, mid-90's thought
that once it's 1s and 0s the smart thing to do is avoid DA/AD conversions,
SRC, multiple dithering, and such like.
TCB
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Dear TCB,
>If I record this to an analog two tape machine using the Mytek's DA and
connect
>then tape's out to the same monitors won't I hear the "better" mix ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"TCB " <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>But you know you can't record clock. If you did what Dimitrios is talking
>>about and then attached a crap DA and played back the file you looped through
>>the Benchmark it would still sound like crap.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>Thad,
>>>
>>>I'm using aBenchmark DAC-1 for my final D/A conversion. It reclocks anything
>>
>>>it's handed to 96k before it exdcretes it out the D/A. It's a wunnerful
>>lil'
>>>thang.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:467bee5d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> OK, I want to poke my eyeballs out with a sharpened coat hanger. The
>
>>>> sounds
>>>> start out as 1s and 0s. Nothing more, nothing less. They have no vibe,
>>no
>>>> opinion, no mojo, no plans, no depth, no clarity no nothing. They're
>just
>>>> a bunch of effin 1s and 0s, a whole flipping bunch of them. Then they
>>go
>>>> to your DA converter and are turned into electricity. If you do what
>
>>>> you're
>>>> suggesting, then that electricity goes back to the AD converter. The
>AD
>>
>>>> turns
>>>> the electricity back into 1s and 0s. Now, if it does its job perfectly
>>you
>>>> will have EXACTLY THE SAME STRING OF 1s AND 0s! If you don't, then your
>>
>>>> fancy
>>>> DA converter is not doing its job, and DA converters should be measured
>>by
>>>> the degree to which they can exactly replicate a file under these
>>>> conditions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, if your mytek does its job your mix will sound EXACTLY like it did
>>
>>>> through
>>>> the RME when you play it back through the RME again.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when money
>>>> will
>>>>>be enouph !!
>>>>>What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>>I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his primary
>>>>>DA.
>>>>>After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change in
>>
>>>>>sound,
>>>>>sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider stereo
>>>>>field.
>>>>>He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not quite.
>>>>>So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could get
>
>>>>>RECORDED
>>>>>!
>>>>>Isn't that so ?
>>>>>If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the spdif
>>>>>out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>the
>>>>>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>>Thats a serious one here !
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>>> fancy
>>>>>>> DA converter is not doing its job, and DA converters should be measured
>>>>>by
>>>>>>> the degree to which they can exactly replicate a file under these
>
>>>>>>> conditions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, if your mytek does its job your mix will sound EXACTLY like it
>>did
>>>>>
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the RME when you play it back through the RME again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@.....> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>SORRY for double empty posts !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DJ I know your praises about portico which is on my wishlist when
>money
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>be enouph !!
>>>>>>>>What I really want to know is the following.
>>>>>>>>I went to a friend's studio and he used rme fireface (yak) as his
>primary
>>>>>>>>DA.
>>>>>>>>After [putting the mytek immediately there was r\tremendous change
>>in
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>sound,
>>>>>>>>sparkle lack of high frquency ditortion defined low end and wider
>stereo
>>>>>>>>field.
>>>>>>>>He asked OK now my mixes will sound like this and I sai hhmm not
quite.
>>>>>>>>So after a long debate there I thought that thiese changes could
get
>>>>
>>>>>>>>RECORDED
>>>>>>>>!
>>>>>>>>Isn't that so ?
>>>>>>>>If you record the da of mytek back to myte's ad and then route the
>>spdif
>>>>>>>>out to get recorded as digital file on any medium ,pc or dat... isn't
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>soundmix becoming "myteked" ??
>>>>>>>>Thats a serious one here !
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@oten....> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I use a good AD and DA in my master bus insert which is attached
>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mytek
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Stereo A/D converters (hmmmm..seems you may have something similar).
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mine
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>has a device (a Portico 5042) in the chain between that AD/DA.
You
>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>want to try that with a clean comp line and RNC in "Really nice"
>>mode,
>>>>>>>>or
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>something more colored.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgioNOSPAM@otenet.gr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:467bdf35$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field
adds
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> punch
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE
>>>>these
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> effects
>>>>>>>>>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad
>>??
>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>>>>>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dimitrios
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Thad , you and all of those who use the pure logic of digital audio aparently
don;t use your ears.. I'm sorry man.. If you think all DAWs , converters
sound the same using thesam DAW, then you need better ears..
That's why we and many other, have these discussion on sound.. Matter not
what the math and the theory of Digital audio is..DAWs and Convertors sound
different.
Some companies like Apogee, EMU/Ensoniq set out to make thier converter color
and distort in pleasing way...
To simple say 01 010's 01 is not the whole story. Daw's sound differnt when
using the same wave files.. The way pan laws coded are different per manufactuer.
This is an old argument that many Engineers will tell why they like a certian
DAW and converters better than others..
The bottom line is this: We like pleasing gentle Harmonic Distorion. Ensoniq
figuare out how to do it. So did apogee and others (Sony)..We like some Color
in our converters..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>But LaMont, all of the audio DSP/summing/mixing floating point processing,
>which could be 100% 64 bit on a 32 bit operating system. Hell, it could
be
>128 bit if people wanted it to be with most processors. And keep in mind,
>let's say this is your 32 bit word
>
>1011101010100001010101010000011
>
>Now let's say you have a 64 bit word that is identical for the first 32
bits,
>and then is different. It might look like this.
>
> 101110101010000101010101000001100111110101100010101010100000 10
>
>Now if you do the same math on both of those words you _might_ have a different
>result in the 32nd place holder i.e. here
>
>1011101010100001010101010000011
> ^
>
>Every other bit will be exactly the same. Even thinking of these as decimal
>numbers (where adding a place holder multiplies the number represented by
>a factor of ten) for our stupid little decimal brains I can't see that mattering.
>In the case of binary numbers (where a place holder squares the available
>numbers) it's just comical to pretend we need a 64 bit words. Particularly
>when we'll have to halve our available DSP.
>
>Personally I think a lot of the discussing of 'summing busses' is snake
oil.
>But even if you do believe in that, as I know you do, it's a matter of preference
>not precision. I.e. you don't need more bits you need the programmers to
>program them more the way you want things to sound.
>
>Do, don't, do, don't, don't believe the hype. Believe the math.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have
to
>>be ready to take advantage of that.
>>
>>You are right. They will have to re-code to take advantage all of that
raw
>>power.
>>But, I thi
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;>>>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the
>>>>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit OS??
>>>I do
>>>>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit)..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to running
>>>>> a
>>>>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real advantages
>>>>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32
bit
>>>OS.
>>>>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been
>>64
>>>bits
>>>>>> or more (or less in parallel, which is usually where you get the real
>>>bump)
>>>>>> for years now. Some people report incremental improvements using the
>>>64
>>>>> bit
>>>>>> version of XP but I'll bet you hash brownies to has browns that's
because
>>>>>> M$oft is trickling their Server 2003 tech into XP 64 so it has better
>>>memory
>>>>>> management.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're interested, XP 64 and Vista 64 are pretty much 64 bit through
>>>>> and
>>>>>> through. I don't know about driver support, but at the OS level. Cakewalk
>>>>>> has a '64 bit audio engine' which since it's floating point can be
>used
>>>>> on
>>>>>> 32 bit versions of XP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't
think
>>>>> 64
>>>>>> bit operating systems make much difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>
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Thu, 24 May 2007 11:35 |
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>>128 bit if people wanted it to be with most processors. And keep in mind,
>>let's say this is your 32 bit word
>>
>>1011101010100001010101010000011
>>
>>Now let's say you have a 64 bit word that is identical for the first 32
>bits,
>>and then is different. It might look like this.
>>
>> 101110101010000101010101000001100111110101100010101010100000 10
>>
>>Now if you do the same math on both of those words you _might_ have a different
>>result in the 32nd place holder i.e. here
>>
>>1011101010100001010101010000011
>> ^
>>
>>Every other bit will be exactly the same. Even thinking of these as decimal
>>numbers (where adding a place holder multiplies the number represented
by
>>a factor of ten) for our stupid little decimal brains I can't see that
mattering.
>>In the case of binary numbers (where a place holder squares the available
>>numbers) it's just comical to pretend we need a 64 bit words. Particularly
>>when we'll have to halve our available DSP.
>>
>>Personally I think a lot of the discussing of 'summing busses' is snake
>oil.
>>But even if you do believe in that, as I know you do, it's a matter of
preference
>>not precision. I.e. you don't need more bits you need the programmers to
>>program them more the way you want things to sound.
>>
>>Do, don't, do, don't, don't believe the hype. Believe the math.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
>>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have
>to
>>>be ready to take advantage of that.
>>>
>>>You are right. They will have to re-code to take advantage all of that
>raw
>>>power.
>>>But, I think one area where 64 bit code can help in, and that is wiith
>digital
>>>Summming. I think for a lot of DAWs, a bigger pipe could help..Right now,
>>>32bits is ok , until you start hitting the sum bus hard.
>>>
>>>Maybe, just maybe , they start instituting "modeling" of famous analogy
>>mixers
>>>summing..
>>>
>>>I disagree with you about 32 bit being enough. As with Asio and vst. You
>>>know that when you start bogging down down a project with audio tracks-0ver
>>>50, with eq & comps -30..vsti's 4, verbs 3....The asio/vst pipe starts
>to
>>>shrink..And it's very audible..
>>>
>>>My hope and others are with 64bit, steinberg/Digi, Cakewalk, Motu and
others
>>>can over this bottle neck, and let us (Mixers) Mix like we are use to.(Massive
>>>Head Room).. You know like Paris..
>>>They are gettign there.. With every update to ProTools (LE, Mpowered and
>>>HD) the suming get's better and better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Chris,
>>>>
>>>>Unless a _lot_ of things have changed since I last talked to an audio
>developer,
>>>>all of the audio DSP is being done in the floating point and (if you're
>>>lucky)
>>>>the v
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Thu, 24 May 2007 13:45 |
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times in a row?
>>
>>The idea isn't that it's an "effect" that can be enhanced with
>>cascading several of a given convertors, the idea is that it's
>>(again, theoretically, assuming there IS an improvement that's
>>being heard) kind of a sonic Windex that can remove grime in the
>>form of artifacts created by jitter... using Windex (the non-
>>sonic kind LOL) can only get a glass so clean, right? I mean if
>>there's something embedded in the glass, Windex can't get that
>>out, so if there's record-end jitter embedded in the source, you
>>can't remove it, but playback-end jitter can be minimized or
>>possibly even eliminated.
>>
>>
>>>Will we get
>>>incremental (or maybe even compound) increases in 'clarity' and 'depth'
>>with
>>>each pass?
>>
>>Nope, you can only get the glass so clean... if there are newly-
>>embedded jitter artifacts on a rendered file and you pass it
>>through another stage, you can't get it any cleaner.
>>We're not talking about rendering it more than once, we're
>>talking about the one & only rendering of the final mix to a two-
>>track file prior to mastering.
>>
>>Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.
>>
>>
>>Neil
>that's funny, the website i got it from said it stopped working because i
moved from a "hipster" city to a "scene" city, and had to install the scene
driver, because hipsters and scenesters are incompatible. i tried giving
the hipster driver some bellbottoms and a messy haircut, but no dice.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467b07ab$1@linux...
>
> Yes, but is it the right version for your time zone? That's
> why the old one stopped working when you relocated, you know.
>
>
>
> "David Evan" <davidevanmusic@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >hehe...went online & found it
> >
> >"David Evan" <davidevanmusic@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:467af6ed@linux...
> >> hey everybody. i recently moved across the country and my paris driver
> >has,
> >> for some reason, stopped functioning. i thought i had a copy of it in
> my
> >> computer but cannot find it. i was wondering if anybody could point me
> to
> >> it or email it to me?
> >>
> >> thanks!
> >> -david
> >>
> >> davidevanmusic@yahoo.com
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>Graham, have you opened up the advanced tab for AM track? I found the presets
a bit much when I first started working with them, but the blend knob in
the advanced window is an absolute miracle IMO...parallel compression in
one track...that, plus the ability to fine tune the tonal responses...woof!
When I dump Samp at some point in the not too distant future, I'm definately
buying the VST package...
Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>wireline wrote:
>
>> The AM track is very VERY cool, as it by istelf is a very clear and powerful
>> SW compressor, but add to the flavor the tape emulator (which is as accurate
>> a tape emulation design as I've encounter yet...smokes anything offered
for
>> digi or others...)
>
>Thanks. I use Samplitude v9 so I was curious. I often find am-track to
>be a little heavy handed or hard to control, so I go to the UAD-1 as a
>first choice. Or maybe it just seems to run out of headroom really
>fast? I should spend more time with it.
>
>What I can't figure out is how the old SPITFISH works much better than
>the new one in Samplitude!
>
>GrahamHey guys, I need some info on wirless mics. What are the differences between
the Shure Beta 87A and 87C mics? Any other preferences? Also, I'm not understanding
the differences between their SLX and ULX line...any thoughts?
Thanks, TyroneTyrone,
Cant' speak tho the difference between the elements, but I believe the
main difference between the SLX and ULX is the number of available
frequencies and number of simultaneous units. I've been running SLX's
for 3+ years. Haven't run into any major interference issues and I
certainly don't need more than 20 of them at one time.
Jeff
Corbett wrote:
> Hey guys, I need some info on wirless mics. What are the differences between
> the Shure Beta 87A and 87C mics? Any other preferences? Also, I'm not understanding
> the differences between their SLX and ULX line...any thoughts?
>
> Thanks, Tyrone"John" <no@No.com> wrote:
>
>I bet you could have traded Paris for them. hehe
The question is what she would give you in return....
DCI agree and I concur.
Simultaneously.
Everyone should own this CD!
Gantt
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>I know this has been done, but...
>
>If you haven't got this CD GET IT! Mine arrived this week after much procrastinating
>and I just gave it a first listen and I've got to say, despite the rave
reviews
>it already received here, I have been blown away. It's really really *really*
>good.
>
>At track eleven I looked at the stereo, noted track eleven on the display
>and thought "Oh no, it CAN'T be over!". Fortunately there were still three
>tracks to go. Admittedly it's a 14 track disk running only 45 odd minutes,
>and it probably sits nicely at that length, but the songs are all relatively
>short. This however keeps the disk alive throughout.
>
>New ideas are thrown up constantly, and it is always interesting and yet
>always appealing. I have confidence it will survive many listens, and yet
>is amazing from the first. Timing tricks, unexpected yet comfortable chord
>changes, wonderful harmonies and performances, and from what I could tell
>on the little boom box that scored the first play, an excellent production
>and sound quality.
>
>I won't go on and on, but I could. If you've been wondering about buying
>this, get it. I can't wait to play it to my friends.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Sorry Thad.. You did in fact state that. My bad. :)
I would add this to the argument: I think today, we have 3 camps of audio
mixing needs..
-In one corner you the OLd guard of audio engineers who demands color in
their gear . Converters,pre amps, eqs..etc.
-The other corner we have the post crowd. Who does not care about coloring
of converters, just results.
-Then there is the DJ crowd. Again, they don;t really care about vintage
audio gear and the sound of it in there work..
So you really have 3 different needs and opinions going today. I think before
we start to our opinions n the subeject of converters, mixing, pres we ned
to First state what genre we work in and our needs are..Before we tell someone
else what's good or not good..
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Read the end of my post, LaMont. I said that to get what you want you don't
>need more precision, you need programmers to write mixers that sound (and
>I think, more importantly, act) the way you want them to. That probably
will
>involve some kind of modeling/convolution and other magic tricks incorporated
>into the mixer, but for heaven's sake don't halve your DSP juice for a marginally
>more accurate LSB in a 32 bit word. It's not going to do squat to get you
>where you want to be.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Thad , you and all of those who use the pure logic of digital audio aparently
>>don;t use your ears.. I'm sorry man.. If you think all DAWs , converters
>>sound the same using thesam DAW, then you need better ears..
>>
>>That's why we and many other, have these discussion on sound.. Matter not
>>what the math and the theory of Digital audio is..DAWs and Convertors sound
>>different.
>>
>>Some companies like Apogee, EMU/Ensoniq set out to make thier converter
>color
>>and distort in pleasing way...
>>
>>To simple say 01 010's 01 is not the whole story. Daw's sound differnt
when
>>using the same wave files.. The way pan laws coded are different per manufactuer.
>>
>>
>>This is an old argument that many Engineers will tell why they like a certian
>>DAW and converters better than others..
>>
>>The bottom line is this: We like pleasing gentle Harmonic Distorion. Ensoniq
>>figuare out how to do it. So did apogee and others (Sony)..We like some
>Color
>>in our converters..
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>But LaMont, all of the audio DSP/summing/mixing floating point processing,
>>>which could be 100% 64 bit on a 32 bit operating system. Hell, it could
>>be
>>>128 bit if people wanted it to be with most processors. And keep in mind,
>>>let's say this is your 32 bit word
>>>
>>>1011101010100001010101010000011
>>>
>>>Now let's say you have a 64 bit word that is identical for the first 32
>>bits,
>>>and then is different. It might look like this.
>>>
>>> 101110101010000101010101000001100111110101100010101010100000 10
>>>
>>>Now if you do the same math on both of those words you _might_ have a
different
>>>result in the 32nd place holder i.e. here
>>>
>>>1011101010100001010101010000011
>>> ^
>>>
>>>Every other bit will be exactly the same. Even thinking of these as decimal
>>>numbers (where adding a place holder multiplies the number represented
>by
>>>a factor of ten) for our stupid little decimal brains I can't see that
>mattering.
>>>In the case of binary numbers (where a place holder squares the available
>>>numbers) it's just comical to pretend we need a 64 bit words. Particularly
>>>when we'll have to halve our available DSP.
>>>
>>>Personally I think a lot of the discussing of 'summing busses' is snake
>>oil.
>>>But even if you do believe in that, as I know you do, it's a matter of
>preference
>>>not precision. I.e. you don't need more bits you need the programmers
to
>>>program them more the way you want things to sound.
>>>
>>>Do, don't, do, don't, don't believe the hype. Believe the math.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OK, one thing. The 64 bit kernel in Server 2003 deals with multiple cores/processors
>>>>much more gracefully, but even then the developer of the DAW will have
>>to
>>>>be ready to take advantage of that.
>>>>
>>>>You are right. They will have to re-code to take advantage all of that
>>raw
>>>>power.
>>>>But, I think one area where 64 bit code can help in, and that is wiith
>>digital
>>>>Summming. I think for a lot of DAWs, a bigger pipe could help..Right
now,
>>>>32bits is ok , until you start hitting the sum bus hard.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe, just maybe , they start instituting "modeling" of famous analogy
>>>mixers
>>>>summing..
>>>>
>>>>I disagree with you about 32 bit being enough. As with Asio and vst.
You
>>>>know that when you start bogging down down a project with audio tracks-0ver
>>>>50, with eq & comps -30..vsti's 4, verbs 3....The asio/vst pipe starts
>>to
>>>>shrink..And it's very audible..
>>>>
>>>>My hope and others are with 64bit, steinberg/Digi, Cakewalk, Motu and
>others
>>>>can over this bottle neck, and let us (Mixers) Mix like we are use to.(Massive
>>>>Head Room).. You know like Paris..
>>>>They are gettign there.. With every update to ProTools (LE, Mpowered
and
>>>>HD) the suming get's better and better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>Unless a _lot_ of things have changed since I last talked to an audio
>>developer,
>>>>>all of the audio DSP is being done in the floating point and (if you're
>>>>lucky)
>>>>>the vector units on the chips. So is there _any_ advantage t
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Messages: 1261
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more ground. I'm
not
>>>>
>>>>>>sure who if anybody is actually steering the ship at this if anybody.
>>>
>>>>>>They need to get back their creative direction and fast. All the
>>>>>>copycats are circling around them like vultures at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks Thad.. So, if I have Server 2003 (64) that's a true 64 bit
>OS??
>>>>>I do
>>>>>>> have a legit copy of Server 2003 (64 bit)..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Haven't we gone over this already? There's minimal advantage to
running
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> 64 bit OS for audio. The '64 bits' are integer bits, so the real
>advantages
>>>>>>>> are in the ability to address file space and RAM larger than a 32
>>bit
>>>>>OS.
>>>>>>>> The floating point processing (all that matters for audio) has been
>>>>64
>>>>>bits
>>>>>>>> or more (or less in parallel, which is usually where you get the
>real
>>>>>bump)
>>>>>>>> for years now. Some people report incremental improvements using
>the
>>>>>64
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> version of XP but I'll bet you hash brownies to has browns that's
>>because
>>>>>>>> M$oft is trickling their Server 2003 tech into XP 64 so it has better
>>>>>memory
>>>>>>>> management.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're interested, XP 64 and Vista 64 are pretty much 64 bit
through
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> through. I don't know about driver support, but at the OS level.
>Cakewalk
>>>>>>>> has a '64 bit audio engine' which since it's floating point can
be
>>>used
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> 32 bit versions of XP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bottom line, unless you want to run more than 3 GB of RAM I don't
>>think
>>>>>>> 64
>>>>>>>> bit operating systems make much difference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I know apple has stated that they will be 64 OXS in October 07,
>when
>>>>>can
>>>>>>>> expect
>>>>>>>>> MS to give us a true 64 bit OS ..?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2) When acan we expect the current DAW's to recode in 64 bit ,
rather
>>>>>than
>>>>>>>>> 32 bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I read somewhere on Nuendo.com that that they (Steinberg) thinks
>>32
>>>>>bit
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> enough and that 64 bit is not needed. But, they are exploring the
>>>feasability
>>>>>>>>> of going 64 bit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, the hardware market keeps advancing with newer faster
>>stuff.
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> of us are already 64 bit compatible. Only waiting for an WIn os
>and
>>>>>64
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> DAW to take full advantage of our current workstations..
>>>>>>>>> We kkep porrign money into a 32 bit system trying to make a 32
bit
>>>>OS
>>>>>faster,
>>>>>>>>> but we are only seeeing marginal returns. What gives??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it's time to put on the brakes and just let the Hardware,
>>>software
>>>>>>>>> companies come to an agreement .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting on the fence from here on. I'm still looking into Digital
>>>>>mixers,
>>>>>>>>> but that's it..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>>>>www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>One is cardioid and the other is hypercardioid (tighter). Both are great
mics.
Sandy
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:467c6e9e@linux...
> Tyrone,
>
> Cant' speak tho the difference between the elements, but I believe the
> main difference between the SLX and ULX is the number of available
> frequencies and number of simultaneous units. I've been running SLX's for
> 3+ years. Haven't run into any major interference issues and I certainly
> don't need more than 20 of them at one time.
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
> Corbett wrote:
>> Hey guys, I need some info on wirless mics. What are the differences
>> between
>> the Shure Beta 87A and 87C mics? Any other preferences? Also, I'm not
>> understanding
>> the differences between their SLX and ULX line...any thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks, TyroneI have not finished reading this thread because it seems moot, but in
case anyone else has not mentioned this obvious point, Dimitiros, the
only way to get a better in the box mix with converters is to use better
A-D.
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch and
> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these effects
> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
> regards,
> DimitriosBill,
The bottom line of all this is to reduce jitter as much as possible at all
stages of the recording process. Jitter creates a lot of the *digital
harshness* and midrange/low end flabbyness/wierdness that everyone complains
about. To that end, as far as Paris is concerned, an external clock source
makes quite an improvement. I tried to use the Paris D/A's to mix and was
going crazy trying to nail the mid frequencies. I finally took my mix down
to Catcusfire's studio in Taos (remember Andy?) and played it back through a
Cranesong HEDD and discovered that there was nothing wrong with the mids, it
was the D/A converters I was using (Paris on Paris clock). Not long
afterwards, MikeClaytor came to Durango and brought a Benchmark DAC-1 and we
patched it into a mix and the difference was very obvious. Not long after
that I got a Lucid GenX 6 and clocked my entire system to it. The A/D and
D/A conversion (D/A's that I was using for processors on inserts) improved
as well and the system, overall, exhibited more clarity, depth /better
imaging. I would strongly recommend an external clock for any Paris user.
As far as Cubase goes, I'm clocking my RME hardware to the BNC output of a
Mytek Stereo A/D. I think the RME hardware reclocks everything it sees to
it's own internal clock, but I'm not sure exactly how they do this. At any
rate, I am happy with whqat I'm getting from the 24 RME AD/DA's I've got
here whether they are being clocked by the Mytek or whether the Mytek clock
is being reclocked to the RME clock. I am still monitoring everyghing from
the Benchmark DAC-1 and if I was recording to tape or something like a
Masterlink, I'd be using the DAC-1 outputs to send the 2bus to the recorder
and monitoring off the playback heads if it was an analog deck and making
final mix decisions based on what the tape was telling me. As far as
digital goes, I would not be making final tweak decisions by monitoring off
the D/A's of the mix deck because I could be certain that whatever the DAC-1
was feeding the digital recorder would be what I''d (supposedly) end up with
as the final product and the digital deck's D/A's probably wouldn't be up to
the level of the DAC-1's D/A converters.
Deej
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:467d3c4b@linux...
>I have not finished reading this thread because it seems moot, but in case
>anyone else has not mentioned this obvious point, Dimitiros, the only way
>to get a better in the box mix with converters is to use better A-D.
>
> Dimitrios wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>> and
>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>> effects
>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>> regards,
>> Dimitrios"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>As far as Cubase goes, I'm clocking my RME hardware to the BNC output of
a
>Mytek Stereo A/D. I think the RME hardware reclocks everything it sees to
>it's own internal clock, but I'm not sure exactly how they do this.
It will if you let it, but you don't have to let it do so... in
your RME setup/options screen, make sure to select "Auto-Sync"
(or is it "auto-detect"? I forget which... you'll see it)
instead of "Master", and set your preferred sync source to
"Word Clock". If you do this, and the word clock input/sync
shows "lock" as opposed to "sync", then you know you've got it.
NeilI think Sasha's Samp stuff is good too and I enjoyed the filets as well
as dominion, but on critical trax I usually prefer the UAD comps. I
think there is a limitation to what can be done without external
processing muscle.
Curious, why are you planning to move from Sam and where to? I am up to
Sam 8, but switched back to Cubase because I need MIDI often and Sam let
me down once too often in sessions with MIDI. I'll still use it for
dialog and CDs, but I am fed up w/ it on music.
wireline wrote:
> Graham, have you opened up the advanced tab for AM track? I found the presets
> a bit much when I first started working with them, but the blend knob in
> the advanced window is an absolute miracle IMO...parallel compression in
> one track...that, plus the ability to fine tune the tonal responses...woof!
>
> When I dump Samp at some point in the not too distant future, I'm definately
> buying the VST package...
>
> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>> wireline wrote:
>>
>>> The AM track is very VERY cool, as it by istelf is a very clear and powerful
>>> SW compressor, but add to the flavor the tape emulator (which is as accurate
>>> a tape emulation design as I've encounter yet...smokes anything offered
> for
>>> digi or others...)
>> Thanks. I use Samplitude v9 so I was curious. I often find am-track to
>
>> be a little heavy handed or hard to control, so I go to the UAD-1 as a
>> first choice. Or maybe it just seems to run out of headroom really
>> fast? I should spend more time with it.
>>
>> What I can't figure out is how the old SPITFISH works much better than
>> the new one in Samplitude!
>>
>> Graham
>I can't remember your/his name. He lives in Texas. I found the blank
panel covers for the empty spaces in the MEC.Don't know yet, really...I have demo'd several different DAWs as of late,
and what I'm finding is they all really fall short...I don't like some of
the limitations imposed by DAW A, the lack of sample accurate editing in
DAW B, the sound of DAW PT, etc...
Money aside, I'd be all over a RADAR, my SOundtracs bonsole, and a buttload
of hardware in a heartbeat...I really don't need any more MIDI than a simple
clock to align the occassional drum machine...too complicated (!)
All in all, the reason I'm so displeased with Samp is the holier than thou
attitude taken lately by developers...its like they are jamming certain questionable
things down the userbase's throat, and totally ignoring essentially crippling
bugs...
I'm using 9-11 (appropriate, huh?)... maybe the roaylty Gods will be kind
and send me the cash for a 48K RADAR, but until they do I'm pretty well stuck
where I am, DAW wise...I can migrate to and from 7.23, 8.31, and 9.11...
Mainly I miss the ability to write (either directly or via the message board)
to the developers and get an intellegent and reasonably sane response - those
days are looooong gone.
Curious, why are you planning to move from Sam and where to? I am up to
Sam 8, but switched back to Cubase because I need MIDI often and Sam let
me down once too often in sessions with MIDI. I'll still use it for dialog
and CDs, but I am fed up w/ it on music.Probably the reasons they have not updated it are, 1) it still works and
is cheap; 2) perhaps they can't enlarge it because it is based on some
chips from a mass produced video card that they were able to buy
cheaply. I read somewhere they could not have made it so inexpensively
if they had to make their own design or chips - something like that.
What I know for sure is, I had an 1176LN which I loved and once I
compared it to the UAD1 I was sold. In my typical usage settings I could
not hear a quality difference. No other s/w plugs sound as good to me
except the PLParEQ, which always bring a smile, but it is a CPU hog. I
love SIR too.
James McCloskey wrote:
> The UAD-1 cards must be more than a dongle. Based on UA's charts, the number
> of plugins you can run is based on the card not the speed of your CPU. IE,
> a slow machine can run the same number of plugins.
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> That's my point all along. I've been able to get that vinatge plugin sound
>> with native plugins. The Sonalkis really does impart color and mimics vicage
>> gear really well.. The waves SSL are very sweet and the word on the Waves
>> V series is that they a Killer!!..
>>
>> I was never sold on the whole power PCI card thing ..even with superior
> plugings
>> such as the UADs.
>>
>> Plus, UAD has not imprived their card DSP power which begs the question
> of
>> : Does the card really speed up the plugins or is it just a dongle?
>>
>> UAD has been using the same
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85159 is a reply to message #85141] |
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BT
Messages: 19
Registered: February 2007
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..LAME...Even worst, the PCI-e cards offers no real improvement over
>> the current dsp card..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>> Maybe they expect you to buy it right away? ;)
>>>
>>> I'm sort of stuck between buying 3 more UAD-1s and a Magma chassis, or
>
>>> going for the WAVES SSL + V Series. I hate having to buy an ilok to try
>>> them out, but if they're as good as some folks say, it would be nice to
>>> have that many instances and be more portable for working in different
>
>>> rooms.
>>>
>>> How much does a 7 or 13 space PCI Magma go for these days?
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> yes, i know. I'm trying to get the deom to work. It automatically expired.
>>>> Nice
>Neil, you are right. Superior clocking means everything. At the commercial
studio at our church, we tested the Digi Clock, Apoge Big ben and the Licid
GN-x192..The Lucid won out..
The test was done by our senior engineer to show us (Producers) how much
of a difference there was btw clocking units.
What still amazes me is when he would dis-engage a unit(no clocking) btw
he 3 HD 192's...Just liek what Neil stated...Flubby mids and lows..Truth
is, that reminded me immediatly of how my Paris rig sounded...So, I was use
to mixing to that flub..ADN..get this....This scenario had nothing to do
with summing... As the HD system mentioned above was linked to an SSL G seriers
console...Still, with no clock, flub...Lucid..Tight round botom and mids...
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>The bottom line of all this is to reduce jitter as much as possible at all
>stages of the recording process. Jitter creates a lot of the *digital
>harshness* and midrange/low end flabbyness/wierdness that everyone complains
>about. To that end, as far as Paris is concerned, an external clock source
>makes quite an improvement. I tried to use the Paris D/A's to mix and was
>going crazy trying to nail the mid frequencies. I finally took my mix down
>to Catcusfire's studio in Taos (remember Andy?) and played it back through
a
>Cranesong HEDD and discovered that there was nothing wrong with the mids,
it
>was the D/A converters I was using (Paris on Paris clock). Not long
>afterwards, MikeClaytor came to Durango and brought a Benchmark DAC-1 and
we
>patched it into a mix and the difference was very obvious. Not long after
>that I got a Lucid GenX 6 and clocked my entire system to it. The A/D and
>D/A conversion (D/A's that I was using for processors on inserts) improved
>as well and the system, overall, exhibited more clarity, depth /better
>imaging. I would strongly recommend an external clock for any Paris user.
>
>As far as Cubase goes, I'm clocking my RME hardware to the BNC output of
a
>Mytek Stereo A/D. I think the RME hardware reclocks everything it sees to
>it's own internal clock, but I'm not sure exactly how they do this. At any
>rate, I am happy with whqat I'm getting from the 24 RME AD/DA's I've got
>here whether they are being clocked by the Mytek or whether the Mytek clock
>is being reclocked to the RME clock. I am still monitoring everyghing from
>the Benchmark DAC-1 and if I was recording to tape or something like a
>Masterlink, I'd be using the DAC-1 outputs to send the 2bus to the recorder
>and monitoring off the playback heads if it was an analog deck and making
>final mix decisions based on what the tape was telling me. As far as
>digital goes, I would not be making final tweak decisions by monitoring
off
>the D/A's of the mix deck because I could be certain that whatever the DAC-1
>was feeding the digital recorder would be what I''d (supposedly) end up
with
>as the final product and the digital deck's D/A's probably wouldn't be up
to
>the level of the DAC-1's D/A converters.
>
>Deej
>
>"Bill L" <Regards,
Brian T
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85163 is a reply to message #85122] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 15:15 |
BT
Messages: 19
Registered: February 2007
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>> i was wondering if a great DA which opens up the stero field adds punch
>>> and
>>> clarity to sound reproduction etc can be recorded and so CAPTURE these
>>> effects
>>> on a stereo file, by recording the da's output using a good ad ??
>>> It sounds as it can be done but do I miss something here ?
>>> regards,
>>> Dimitrios
>
>agreed, Bill...the irony is stifling in that there has never been so many
GOOD options for engineers...
Now if there were enough talented acts for every to record, perhaps major
studios would not be shutting down at 5 a week and smaller ones 5 a day nationwide...
(no flames, please...just an observation)
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>For me Cubase was a no-brainer. I have used it since the '80s for midi.
>It is not perfect, but I'm afraid nothing is. I used Logic for a time at
>a place I worked but it kind of bugged me too.
>
>I guess we should be thankful we have so many choices, compared to the
>way Adobe has a virtual monopoly in the graphics area.
>
>Just installing paris on win xp pro.
The EDS compressors don't seem to be working- (?)
I installed the win xp scherzo drivers, rebooted, then installed paris
3...reboot, then installed the paris xpeffects.exe - reboot
Then I realized I hadn't updated the pace drivers for win xp - i reverted to
a system restore setting before installing the Paris 3 software.
Then installed pace drivers - reboot - paris 3 - reboot -
parisxpeffects.exe - reboot
paris will run but the comp inserts efx don't seem to have any effect or
work - seems to be some action on the stereo EDS efx
Has anyone else encountered this and found a solution.
Thanks!HELLO!!!! CAN YOU HEAR ME????
;O)
"wireline" <ken@nospamwirelinestudio.com> wrote in message
news:467d62e7$1@linux...
>
> agreed, Bill...the irony is stifling in that there has never been so many
> GOOD options for engineers...
>
> Now if there were enough talented acts for every to record, perhaps major
> studios would not be shutting down at 5 a week and smaller ones 5 a day
> nationwide...
>
> (no flames, please...just an observation)
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>For me Cubase was a no-brainer. I have used it since the '80s for midi.
>
>>It is not perfect, but I'm afraid nothing is. I used Logic for a time at
>
>>a place I worked but it kind of bu
Regards,
Brian T
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