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| Re: From 3 to 4 cards ?!? [message #76902 is a reply to message #76896] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 01:12   |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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t saying check
>it out, it's cool!
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>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>>Hi Ted and others,
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>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>out
>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
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>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
OS-X(all
>>versions).
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>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>computers.
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>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>let them get away with such.
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>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>P.S.
>>The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
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| Re: From 3 to 4 cards ?!? [message #76912 is a reply to message #76908] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 14:12 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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> It was until both we went to windows based machines (gateways&Compaqs @Dells)
> did we (IT crew) noticed (in disbelief) that the PC workstations and Servers
> were Blazing!!!
>
> Before, with the macs we used the built-in Apple Talk for networking and
> file sharing. Ho humm...Slow, but it worked. Security was a big issue there.
>
>
> Well, when we start implementing (1989-90) Novell Netware into certain work
> groups (GMAC), again the WoW!! factor!! Blazing performance even with some
> Macs thrown on the novell network. BUT, mac's Apple Talk would reak Holly
> havoc on the Novell network,and thus workarounds had to used .. After a while,
> the entire business community waited for Apple to fix their Apple-Talk-IP
> problems, so Macs could play nice on a Novell Network,But apple just pretty
> much thumbed their noses..
>
> So, we (GM)dropped Apples Macs, and went Windows based. And so did most of
> the Big Three and all Tier 1,2, & three vendors.
> The moral to that story is: You don't us what we want and can have (We) Corporations
> Tell you what we want.. You either deliver or we're moving on..
> And so did DTE: Who were mac based up until 1996. Same scenario as above
> but I almost forgot about apple's Very Poor Customer service.
>
> back in days , Apple treated their customers Big and small like a third world
> nations. Put plainly, their customer server sucked big time. Then to add
> insult to injury, they Apple) would drop support for a given Mac while still
> (supposedly) under warranty. Calls were not returned, promises broken.. Apples
> dealing with big business was a disaster..
>
> That's were Dell came in riding on his shining horse. back then(90's) Dell
> built- a great PC with to this day , unheard of customer support.
>
> The G4:
> The G4 was OK if you had programmers that would code for the Altivec engine.
> If the app was not optimized for the Altivec, then it was low on the food
> chain as compared to a AMD K2, Athlon,Athlon XP PIII, P4. There were not
> That many Mac apps Optimized or coded for the Altivec. NoT even Paris. Edmund
> once stated that, re-coding most apps for the altivec would be too cost prohibitive
> and very time consuming..
>
> So, yes on paperthe G4 was cool, but it neverlived up to it's potential.
>
>
> James, I call then as I see them. I was @ the the Digidesign /Emagic pony
> show back in 1995 where they were showing Logic Audio 3.0 on the mac and
> the newly windows version. The Emagic and Digi guys were just snikering
> away about how they really never tested the perormance on the windows version,and
> pretty much stated that it was best if we all went witha mac.. Well.. They
> into their presentation and started to do side by side Logic routines on
> both version of Logic.
>
> Well, to their disbelief, the Windos based version of Logic was finnishing
> all of their task much faster than the Mac. Even the Digi guys were astounded.
> The Emagic guys were just as stunned. In every side by side they did, the
> PC ran cirles around the supposedly superior mac . Well, needless to say,
> after that pony was over, The Southfield Guitar Center
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| Re: From 3 to 4 cards ?!? [message #76914 is a reply to message #76908] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 14:37 |
sonicartproductions
Messages: 27
Registered: October 2005
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e you kidding..!!! Are you Kidding
> me. If I was not around to either (Upgrade, apply Mac OS-X tweaks, Hardware
> upgrades,).. Man, because of the volume of work those formentioned macs,
> even on PT -HD3, those mac will crash..And crash Hard..
>
> Oh, and let's not forget about how to recover froma mac crash.Expecially
> on OS9...You had to reload the entire OS. How Stupid is that!!??? At least
> with Windows, you can find the offending file (DLL) and patch in a fix or
> runa repair utility..
>
> By the way: AMD was Apples first choice, until Intel came with the Don King
> paper bag of Cash to go with their chip..And, AMD is still on the Apple table
> for thier X-servers and other new products..
>
> Steve Jobs is the 21st century PT Barnum. He say lies, you all believe with
> spew hook line and sinker. You mac guys/Gals have had this "walking on water"
> feeling for a long time, and when windows was a viable option for pro-audio,
> we we not to question the mac so- called superiority.
>
> But, that all changed when Win 95 came out.. Yeah yeah..You say ripp off..But,
> I say It was faster, and better than My Mac OS8/9. Then every smart people
> start performing tweeks that help Windows achieve it's still stellar DAW
> performance.
>
> Trust me, If Mac had 90 percent of Personal computing market, there 2 would
> be certified Apple enginners, Just like there are Lotus, Cisco, Netware,
> Unix and other non windows professional IT certifications..
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> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
> work
>> on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>> machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>>
>> You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>> that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>> was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>> HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
>> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>> they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>> find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>> have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>> were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
> PC
>> zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
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>> The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>> horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>> time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
>> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
>> Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>> G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4
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| Re: From 3 to 4 cards ?!? [message #76927 is a reply to message #76914] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 20:17 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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was
>pissed.
>> I know first hand, they told me. They also told me they were going to
>get
>>Apple back because they had a 90 million dollar charge off. They stalled
>>Apple on G4 processor shipments and intentionally slowed the processor
speed
>>jumps.
>>
>>Apple turned to IBM. When Jobs announced the G5 for the first time, he
>stated
>>in the keynote that they would be at 3 GHz with in a year, and the road
>map
>>looked great. That was IBMs road map. IBM couldn't deliver!!!! Two
years
>>later Apple was at 2.7GHz, and not the newer generation G5s. The G5 was
>>too hot! Apple even turned to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one
of
>>Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
>cooler
>>and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
>brainer,
>>win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to
MS
>>to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>
>>You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>>about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought?
Your
>>still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
>every
>>chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>>all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>
>>In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>>needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They
only
>>needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>
>>So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>>have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
>your
>>living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
>real
>>truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>>are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
>venom
>>for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all
hate
>>any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>
>>You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>>Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>>it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>>insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>>to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>>your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>>were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>>of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
>in
>>effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>
>>Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>
>>
>>By the way, My original post had noting to do wit
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