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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97567 is a reply to message #97563] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 15:25   |
Rich Lamanna
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a full system to =
>test"=20
> thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
>lay our=20
> hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
>
> community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
>(to keep=20
> shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
> to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
>person". They'd=20
> be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
>
> components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
> sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
>needed=20
> (although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
>good news=20
> for us) receive it back and ship it=20
> <BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
>it=20
> myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
>ask<BR>>>>what=20
> international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
> the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
>volunteer=20
> interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
>long=20
> time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
>need to=20
> obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
> his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
>proposing=20
> we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
>winds up=20
> being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
> propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
>them in=20
> order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
>to cover=20
> any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
>these are=20
> trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
>community to=20
> absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
> =
>individual.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>As=20
> mentioned, this is not an actual call for components yet - it's=20
> just<BR>>>an<BR
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97573 is a reply to message #97566] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 17:47 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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oth "fairly =
>>likely"
>> >>and
>> >>>"within a reasonably short timeframe".
>> >>>
>> >>>BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>=
>>
>> >>>asking
>> >>>the community for significant sums of money for development =
>>specific only
>> >>to
>> >>>PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with
=
>>great
>> >>>track records and real good will who have offered me every break in
>=
>>the
>> >>>book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
>> >>>instead
>> >>>seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this
=
>>one:
>> > Mike
>> >>>Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some
>=
>>400
>> >>>users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>=
>>
>> >>>amongst
>> >>>the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market
>=
>>of=20
>> >>>that
>> >>>size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build
>=
>>their
>> >>>clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
>>investigating
>> >>>making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
>>existing=20
>> >>>code
>> >>>that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
>>PARIS
>> >>>community that might make it more interesting to certain developers
>=
>>than
>> >>raw
>> >>>numbers might dictate.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>> >>>
>> >>>Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
>>don't
>> > have
>> >>>a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
>>buy.=20
>> >>>Given
>> >>>our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
>>developer
>> >>to
>> >>>do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase
>=
>>a=20
>> >>>PARIS
>> >>>rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising
a
>> >>>developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being
>=
>>sure
>> >>you
>> >>>can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
>>and=20
>> >>>those
>> >>>developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us
-
>=
>>then
>> >>>IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
>>them*.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
>>pre-assembled,
>> >>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig,
=
>>ready
>> >>to
>> >>>be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>> >>>guessed
>> >>>that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well,
=
>>you're
>> >>a
>> >>>good guesser :D).
>> >>>
>> >>>Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing
>=
>>at
>> > least
>> >>>one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
>>PARIS
>> > can
>> >>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
>>"sorry,
>> > we
>> >>>didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
>>settle for
>> >>>whatever we can lay our hands on.
>> >>>
>> >>>In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>> >>>contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
>>volunteer
>> > to
>> >>be
>> >>>the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
>> >>>received
>> >>>the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and
>=
>>sent
>> >>it
>> >>>to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
>>long-term
>> >>>home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>> >>>elsewhere.
>> >>>
>> >>>BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
>>even ask
>> &g
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97582 is a reply to message #97573] |
Sat, 29 March 2008 20:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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en I'd rate at
>> =
>>> least
>>>>> one
>>>>>> of the developments (safeguarding our ppj/pafs) as both "fairly =
>>> likely"
>>>>> and
>>>>>> "within a reasonably short timeframe".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I have already rejected some promising solutions that involved
>> =
>>>
>>>>>> asking
>>>>>> the community for significant sums of money for development =
>>> specific only
>>>>> to
>>>>>> PARIS. I've talked to genuinely interested developers, folks with
> =
>>> great
>>>>>> track records and real good will who have offered me every break in
>> =
>>> the
>>>>>> book, but I don't propose taking the community down that road. I'm=20
>>>>>> instead
>>>>>> seeking developers who will help for their own reasons. Like this
> =
>>> one:
>>>> Mike
>>>>>> Audet and I have independently estimated the PARIS userbase as some
>> =
>>> 400
>>>>>> users worldwide (I have recorded over 40 within the last few months
>> =
>>>
>>>>>> amongst
>>>>>> the subset of PARIS users that post to the NG). Capturing a market
>> =
>>> of=20
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> size is not insignificant for a smaller developer looking to build
>> =
>>> their
>>>>>> clientele - it can be worth them throwing some effort into =
>>> investigating
>>>>>> making those people happy (particularly if the developer has =
>>> existing=20
>>>>>> code
>>>>>> that might merely need tweaking). And there are aspects of the =
>>> PARIS
>>>>>> community that might make it more interesting to certain developers
>> =
>>> than
>>>>> raw
>>>>>> numbers might dictate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the immediate obstacle I want to ask the community about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even the most interested developers can't do much for us if they =
>>> don't
>>>> have
>>>>>> a PARIS rig - and in 2008 PARIS rigs aren't easy to run out and =
>>> buy.=20
>>>>>> Given
>>>>>> our small size as a market, if we as a community are asking a =
>>> developer
>>>>> to
>>>>>> do things for us, then telling them "go out and source and purchase
>> =
>>> a=20
>>>>>> PARIS
>>>>>> rig so you can help us out" isn't gonna fly. Neither is promising
> a
>>>>>> developer you'll get them access to a rig to test on without being
>> =
>>> sure
>>>>> you
>>>>>> can deliver. If the community wants developers to work on PARIS, =
>>> and=20
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> developers have to have a PARIS rig available in order to help us
> -
>> =
>>> then
>>>>>> IMHO it's *in the community's best interest to provide one to =
>>> them*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a =
>>> pre-assembled,
>>>>>> "turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a computer) PARIS development rig,
> =
>>> ready
>>>>> to
>>>>>> be shipped to developers that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>>>>>> guessed
>>>>>> that I have destinations in mind to offer this to already - well,
> =
>>> you're
>>>>> a
>>>>>> good guesser :D).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally this rig would be a multi-card, multi-MEC system containing
>> =
>>> at
>>>> least
>>>>>> one of every existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so =
>>> PARIS
>>>> can
>>>>>> be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No more of this =
>>> "sorry,
>>>> we
>>>>>> didn't have a full system to test" thing. But as a start we'll =
>>> settle for
>>>>>> whatever we can lay our hands on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition we'd need a PARIS community member who lives in the 48
>>>>>> contiguous states (to keep shipping costs and delays low) to =
>>> volunteer
>>>> to
>>>>> be
>>>>>> the occasional "depot/shipping person". They'd be the person that=20
>>>>>> received
>>>>>> the donated components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and
>> =
>>> sent
>>>>> it
>>>>>> to where it needed to go, and if needed (although if it finds a =
>>> long-term
>>>>>> home fast, that's good news for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, I'd do it myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't =
>>> even ask
>>>>>> what international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost =
>>> and the
>>>>>> delays. I've already had the first potential volunteer interest, =
>>> and he's
>>>>> a
>>>>>> name you've all known a long time, but we're clear that there are
> =
>>> some
>>>>>> commitments I need to obtain from others before we can ask him for
>> =
>>> his.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally, obviously I'm not proposing we stick that volunteer,=20
>>>>>> whoever
>>>>>> it winds up being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd =
>>> propose
>>>>>> setting up something like a PayPal account for them in order to let
>> =
>>> the
>>>>>> community chip in a few bucks apiece to cover any reasonable
>>>>>> packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - these are trivial "beer =
>>> money"=20
>>&
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97596 is a reply to message #97590] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 02:15 |
Sarah
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<BR>>>>those<BR>>>>developers have to have a PARIS =
>>> rig=20
>>> available in order to help us - then<BR>>>>IMHO it's *in the=20
>>> community's best interest to provide one to=20
>>> =
>>> them*.<BR>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>>> So=20
>>> this is a "feeler" post. IMHO the community needs a=20
>>> pre-assembled,<BR>>>>"turnkey" (ie pre-installed on a =
>>> computer) PARIS=20
>>> development rig, ready<BR>>>to<BR>>>>be shipped to =
>>> developers=20
>>> that could do it the most good (if you've=20
>>> <BR>>>>guessed<BR>>>>that I have destinations in =
>>> mind to=20
>>> offer this to already - well, you're<BR>>>a<BR>>>>good =
>>> guesser=20
>>> :D).<BR>>>><BR>>>>Ideally this rig would be a =
>>> multi-card,=20
>>> multi-MEC system containing at<BR>> least<BR>>>>one of =
>>> every=20
>>> existing PARIS component we can get our hands on so PARIS<BR>>=20
>>> can<BR>>>>be thoroughly tested in larger configurations. No =
>>> more of=20
>>> this "sorry,<BR>> we<BR>>>>didn't have a full system to =
>>> test"=20
>>> thing. But as a start we'll settle for<BR>>>>whatever we can =
>>> lay our=20
>>> hands on.<BR>>>><BR>>>>In addition we'd need a PARIS =
>>>
>>> community member who lives in the 48<BR>>>>contiguous states =
>>> (to keep=20
>>> shipping costs and delays low) to volunteer<BR>>=20
>>> to<BR>>>be<BR>>>>the occasional "depot/shipping =
>>> person". They'd=20
>>> be the person that <BR>>>>received<BR>>>>the donated =
>>>
>>> components, tested them, assembled them into a rig, and=20
>>> sent<BR>>>it<BR>>>>to where it needed to go, and if =
>>> needed=20
>>> (although if it finds a long-term<BR>>>>home fast, that's =
>>> good news=20
>>> for us) receive it back and ship it=20
>>> <BR>>>>elsewhere.<BR>>>><BR>>>>BTW, I'd do =
>>> it=20
>>> myself in a heartbeat, but I'm in Canada - don't even =
>>> ask<BR>>>>what=20
>>> international shipping would add to the hassle and the cost and=20
>>> the<BR>>>>delays. I've already had the first potential =
>>> volunteer=20
>>> interest, and he's<BR>>>a<BR>>>>name you've all known a =
>>> long=20
>>> time, but we're clear that there are some<BR>>>>commitments I =
>>> need to=20
>>> obtain from others before we can ask him for=20
>>> his.<BR>>>><BR>>>>Incidentally, obviously I'm not =
>>> proposing=20
>>> we stick that volunteer, <BR>>>>whoever<BR>>>>it =
>>> winds up=20
>>> being, with picking up shipping/packing charges. I'd=20
>>> propose<BR>>>>setting up something like a PayPal account for =
>>> them in=20
>>> order to let the<BR>>>>community chip in a few bucks apiece =
>>> to cover=20
>>> any reasonable<BR>>>>packing/shipping costs. I'd nag, too - =
>>> these are=20
>>> trivial "beer money" <BR>>>>costs<BR>>>>for a =
>>> community to=20
>>> absorb, rather than a lump for an=20
>>> =
>>> individual.<B
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97627 is a reply to message #97582] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 19:05 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6873
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6839
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6868
PMI 'A' Range Console
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6863
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6819
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6822
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6826
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6839
Cool little controllers
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6779
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=6847Hah, that's precisely the line that caught my eye. Maybe I will some day.
- K
On 6/29/08 8:17 PM, in article 4868502e$1@linux, "Ted Gerber"
<tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Please try it out for us !!
>
> "This means that we have no idea whether it will work with an early DAT
> machine
> or first generation digital console, or whether itâs compatible with some
> random digital PCI card that was manufactured in 1997."
>
> - from the Black Lion Site
>
> Ted
>
>
>
> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> I'm interested in hearing if people have tried the Black Lion Audio
>> Microclock, and if so what the results have been.
>>
>> http://www.blacklionaudio.com/microclock.html
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>>
>> On 6/29/08 1:05 PM, in article 4867ed1a@linux, "Damien Gelee"
>> <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> I use Paris for tracking.
>>> i'd like to know your feedback when clocking paris externaly (advvark,
> big
>>> ben..)
>>> What kind of improvement did you notice ? was it subtle, or night and
> day ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>Hi Chris,
I use one MEC only, with stock 8in. I heard Paris AD are pretty good, but
also that there's some aliasing : As i'm not very happy with the high end on
the basics tracks (cymbals and voice sibillance) , i wonder if it could be
a good way to go. Of course, using better mics or pre may be the main
point. We use AT4050, and oktava LDC, SPL and yammies pre.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
4868faad$1@linux...
> HI Damien,
> It would totally depend on what gear was being run from the Word clock.
> If you are trying to clock multiple MEC boxes then a Lucid Genx 6 would
> make more sense with the Lucid running as the master clock for the whole
> thing.
> If you only have one MEC and are using some more recent digital with it
> then you would probably want to run that gear as long as is able to and is
> a a good quality.
>
> Chris
>
>
> Damien Gelee wrote:
>> I use Paris for tracking.
>> i'd like to know your feedback when clocking paris externaly (advvark,
>> big ben..)
>> What kind of improvement did you notice ? was it subtle, or night and day
>> ?
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
>
> ADK Pro Audio
> (859) 635-5762
> www.adkproaudio.com
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>dang it i hate when I reply to the email instead of the newsgroup when using Thunderbird.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Damien,
>
> Damien Gelee wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I use one MEC only, with stock 8in. I heard Paris AD are pretty good, but also that there's some aliasing : As i'm not very happy with the high end on the basics tracks (cymbals and voice sibillance) ,
> With a single MEC it "might" make a difference but as Rob stated it will be be subtle.
>
> Do you have any digital gear in your setup other than Paris?
>
> i wonder if it could be
>> a good way to go. Of course, using better mics or pre may be the main point. We use AT4050, and oktava LDC, SPL and yammies pre.
>>
>>
> Could be some of the other cause the high end issues too not sure though.
>
>
> Chris
Damien Gelee wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I use one MEC only, with stock 8in. I heard Paris AD are pretty good, but
> also that there's some aliasing : As i'm not very happy with the high end on
> the basics tracks (cymbals and voice sibillance) , i wonder if it could be
> a good way to go. Of course, using better mics or pre may be the main
> point. We use AT4050, and oktava LDC, SPL and yammies pre.
>
>
> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 4868faad$1@linux...
>> HI Damien,
>> It would totally depend on what gear was being run from the Word clock.
>> If you are trying to clock multiple MEC boxes then a Lucid Genx 6 would
>> make more sense with the Lucid running as the master clock for the whole
>> thing.
>> If you only have one MEC and are using some more recent digital with it
>> then you would probably want to run that gear as long as is able to and is
>> a a good quality.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> Damien Gelee wrote:
>>> I use Paris for tracking.
>>> i'd like to know your feedback when clocking paris externaly (advvark,
>>> big ben..)
>>> What kind of improvement did you notice ? was it subtle, or night and day
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97628 is a reply to message #97590] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 19:10 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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chrisl@adkproaudio.com
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>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comLast year I was using the MEC internal clock and analog outputs with an
Alesis RA-100 and Yamaha NS-10s. I changed to a Big Ben clock, a Benchmark
DAC and Adam's A7. I have a 2 EDS card system and one MEC with two 8-ins.
In each category I definitely noticed a difference and I heard improvements
to the Paris sound. With the clock I heard better low end clarity. With
the DAC I heard better overall tightness and depth. Both together gave me
better stereo imaging and tightness, especially in the low end bass and kick
drum. The A7's just made listening more enjoyable.
Wayne
"Damien Gelee" <damien.gelee@club-internet.fr> wrote in message
news:4867ed1a@linux...
>I use Paris for tracking.
> i'd like to know your feedback when clocking paris externaly (advvark, big
> ben..)
> What kind of improvement did you notice ? was it subtle, or night and day
> ?
>
>I'm going to try this, so I'll hear for myself, but do you think
using my TCM3000 as sync source (set to S/PDIF) would be an improvement over
using Paris internal?
Any one else do this?
Thanks,
Ted
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Damien,
>It would totally depend on what gear was being run from the Word clock.
>If you are trying to clock multiple MEC boxes then a Lucid Genx 6 would
make more sense
>with the Lucid running as the master clock for the whole thing.
>If you only have one MEC and are using some more recent digital with it
then you would
>probably want to run that gear as long as is able to and is a a good quality.
>
>Chris
>
>
>Damien Gelee wrote:
>> I use Paris for tracking.
>> i'd like to know your feedback when clocking paris externaly (advvark,
big
>> ben..)
>> What kind of improvement did you notice ? was it subtle, or night and
day ?
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comOops! I hit enter too soon!
The Variable Knee Compressor is ready to be unleashed on the world.
It includes both mono and stereo versions.
The Variable Knee Compressor gradually dials in the selected compression
ratio, allowing for much greater compression before pumping and breathing
can be heard. The compressor also has a selectable Peak or RMS detection
circuit and a "hold" feature that delays the release circuit in order to
reduce low frequency distortion during heavy compression. Also, there is
an eq on the side chain, so you can reduce the low frequency content of the
audio hitting the detention circuit to further reduce pumping and breathing.
This effect is resource intensive: 2 mono instances or 2 stereo instances
can be run on a single EDS card. But, you can run both No Limit! and the
stereo version for the sweetest mastering compression/limiting you have ever
heard in PARIS.
Cheers!
Mike
www.ensoniq.caHi folks,
I can't find the specs in the MEC booklet. What is the MEC wattage draw?
15w?, 50s?, 100w?, more?
I'm replacing my old UPS and I've calculated 500w for the computer, (500w
PwrSpply), 75w each for two monitors, 15w for the Big Ben, 15w for the
Benchmark DAC. So that'll take me up near 700w full draw on a battery back
up. If I just surge the BB and DAC, the system s
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97629 is a reply to message #97587] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 19:11 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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till draws 650w. So,
anybody know what's the MEC draw?
Thanks,
WayneLooks great--just bought it :)
"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
>
>Oops! I hit enter too soon!
>
>The Variable Knee Compressor is ready to be unleashed on the world.
>
>It includes both mono and stereo versions.
>
>The Variable Knee Compressor gradually dials in the selected compression
>ratio, allowing for much greater compression before pumping and breathing
>can be heard. The compressor also has a selectable Peak or RMS detection
>circuit and a "hold" feature that delays the release circuit in order to
>reduce low frequency distortion during heavy compression. Also, there is
>an eq on the side chain, so you can reduce the low frequency content of
the
>audio hitting the detention circuit to further reduce pumping and breathing.
> This effect is resource intensive: 2 mono instances or 2 stereo instances
>can be run on a single EDS card. But, you can run both No Limit! and the
>stereo version for the sweetest mastering compression/limiting you have
ever
>heard in PARIS.
>
>Cheers!
>
>Mike
>
>www.ensoniq.ca
>Wouldn't it matter what expansion cards are in it as well?
AA
"Wayne Carson" <waynecarson@cox.net> wrote in message news:4869823e@linux...
> Hi folks,
>
> I can't find the specs in the MEC booklet. What is the MEC wattage draw?
> 15w?, 50s?, 100w?, more?
>
> I'm replacing my old UPS and I've calculated 500w for the computer, (500w
> PwrSpply), 75w each for two monitors, 15w for the Big Ben, 15w for the
> Benchmark DAC. So that'll take me up near 700w full draw on a battery
> back up. If I just surge the BB and DAC, the system still draws 650w.
> So, anybody know what's the MEC draw?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
>Hi Aaron,
I don't know the answer. I've got two 8-ins in the MEC. That's it.
Wayne
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| Re: OT: Climate Change Continued [message #97639 is a reply to message #97627] |
Sun, 30 March 2008 18:49 |
Jamie K
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basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If we
>want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>weren't doing us much justice.
>
>Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>basic research with you all.
>
>Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several times
>before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
a
>fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community. It
>stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
so
>if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently come
>to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users who
>don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>users.
>
>Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>
>Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months, and
>is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability to
>open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>still have and use PARIS hardware.
>
>To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and censuses;
>theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different ways
>so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening months
>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>
>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but as
a
>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
come
>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>starting from here and going forward.
>
>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
and
>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>
>Hope this is of interest!
>
>- Kerry
>better make that 401. I've been away for a while.....
MB
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>
>Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If we
>want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>weren't doing us much justice.
>
>Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>basic research with you all.
>
>Iıve seen the question ³how big is the PARIS community?² asked several times
>before. As far as I know we never got a definitive answer. We've now got
a
>fairly firm "floor" for the size of the current PARIS user community. It
>stands at an eye-opening (at least to me) 125 current users - and rising,
so
>if anything thatıs an undercount. Mike Audet and I have independently come
>to an estimate of the user community worldwide (including PARIS users who
>don't come to the NG) as being in the vicinity of a healthy 400 current
>users.
>
>Surprised? Not bad for eight years after discontinuation!
>
>Iıll be clear - this is not derived from the number of NG posters - itıs
>derived from a fairly accurate hand count of the number of currently active
>PARIS *users* that Iıve identified on the NG over the last ten months, and
>is distinct from the size of the NG community itself. We needed that info
>broken out separately because while some developments (say the ability to
>open PARIS .ppjs without a PARIS rig) might indeed be of interest to
>ex-PARIS users too (who might still retain archives in .ppj format), other
>developments (say drivers) would really only be of interest to those who
>still have and use PARIS hardware.
>
>To gather those numbers I ruled out the past approach of polls and censuses;
>theyıre useful for getting a ³general sense of the community² but theyıre
>unreliable. I simply scanned through the NG posts going back an arbitrary
>length of time (10 months) and noted every poster I could in that recent
>timespan who indicated that theyıre current users (self-identification,
>posting PARIS-specific tech support questions, specific error code
>questions, etc). I put the info in a database to sort it in different ways
>so I could pretty confidently eliminate duplicates. It was a bit
>labour-intensive but the end result is that Iım fairly confident in that
>number as a ³hard floor² the loss of a few users in the intervening months
>would be counterbalanced by the certainty of undercount.
>
>Iıll finish with a general observation - ³what we were² or ³what we might
>once have been² has some minor academic/historical interest to me, but as
a
>"minority case" - a returning user after years of absence - I naturally
come
>to it from the perspective of ³where we are right now². Iım not interested
>in ³might have beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>starting from here and going forward.
>
>So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real users
>is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven efforts
>for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
and
>some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful work
>done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>
>Hope this is of interest!
>
>
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97647 is a reply to message #97629] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 01:47 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
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se LE and loaded in 10 stereo tracks of audio and 15 plugins. It ran
>it perfectly and wasn't bogged down at all! So I added 10 more stereo tracks
>and it ran those.
>I tried it on my Paris box at home as a dual boot and so far so good. It
>seems to be immune to some of Paris's bugs.
>If you decide to try it get version .08 not version .06 which is more commonly
>available. I'm still testing I'll do a more complete synopsis when I'm finished....
>MB...Even a maximum of two seconds would be really cool.
Only too often I find that 1 second is just not quite enough.
Probably a limitation of the ESP's, dare I say it.
I know... I can always use native, but it gets tiring splicing
dead air onto the end of objects, just to allow the delays to
decay naturally.
I'd pay for the luxury.
KimSpot on, Rod.
I know two guys that have never posted.
Hell, I built and configured their host comps for them.
One is a friend who is happily using my "spare parts",
(a mec with 8-in, a c-16 and two EDS's) as a stand alone system.
I also know *of* several other users, but not personally.
They're out there...
Kim
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in regular
>contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight. So
I'm
>thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
similar
>contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then again,
>maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users world
>wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have never
>posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>Rod
>Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate posts.
>>
>>Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need to
>>support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>certainly part of that infrastructure but we also had a serious need for
>>hard info - things like current community size and composition etc. If
we
>>want to tell outside developers who we are as a community, we better know
>>who we are first, and I had the suspicion that my "spitball" guesstimates
>>weren't doing us much justice.
>>
>>Now, Iım not trained in data collection and analysis but I do fine at
>>research and detective work, and what I lack in skills I cheerfully
>>supplement with grunt work. I wanted to share one of the results of that
>>basic research with you all.
>>
>>Iıv
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97656 is a reply to message #97587] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 09:37 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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br />
Yep a normal Windows install disk and N-lite and you can create the same
thing.
This way you have an custom installer for XP with everything taken out
y7ou don't think is needed.
Also someone could just tweak their xp computer with some of the well
documented tweaks and image.
This will work well if they don't change hard ware often.
Best of all these to options are total legit and don't support piracy. :)
Chris
TCB wrote:
> If you install a boxed copy of XP and patch it, you're not all that far from
> this. You might have to do a bit to stop some services from starting, but
> it's only a few. I don't about the handle and thread counts mentioned re:
> MicroXP
>
> However, with MicroXP you lose LAN networking, user accounts (I know what
> they're doing to do that, don't think it's a good idea), remote desktop,
> automatic updates (you want to run an unpatched XP machine? You sure?), and
> a bunch of other stuff. I don't think that's a good trade.
>
> TCB
>
> "Mike Bloomer" <tubeguru2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Micro XP is a hacked stripped down version of XP.It's apparently popular
>>
> with
>
>> gamers... A friend at work got a hold of a copy and I had a chance to try
>> it.I work at a computer repair shop and the idea behind trying it was to
>> make some of the older P3s usable again. It works! It takes about 10 minutes
>> to do a complete install. When the system is booted up it uses 36 meg of
>> memory and runs 15 processes! Nearly everything has been stripped from the
>> OS. There is no local networking, no scheduling, and no internet explorer.
>> It will run Firefox though so internet is possible.Most XP programs will
>> run on it.
>> Just for giggles I loaded it on a 900MHz P3 with 256mb ram. Then I installed
>> Cubase LE and loaded in 10 stereo tracks of audio and 15 plugins. It ran
>> it perfectly and wasn't bogged down at all! So I added 10 more stereo tracks
>> and it ran those.
>> I tried i
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| Re: Climate Change Continued [message #97684 is a reply to message #97628] |
Mon, 31 March 2008 23:50 |
Deej [5]
Messages: 373
Registered: March 2008
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ve beens² any more - Iım interested in what we might achieve
>>>> starting from here and going forward.
>>>>
>>>> So while it's true we were larger long ago, a hard floor of 125 real
>> users
>>>> is a good strong number, an excellent number, for aficionado-driven
>> efforts
>>>> for a discontinued niche market DAW to go forward with. Itıs much larger
>>>> than some aficionado groups for other pieces of discontinued technology,
>>> and
>>>> some of those smaller groups have got quite a lot of very meaningful
>>>> work
>>>> done. And 400 users worldwide may not be Nuendo numbers but for small
>>>> developers itıs nothing to sneeze at.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this is of interest!
>>>>
>>>> - Kerry
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>Hello all,
I have posted here a few times but I know someone else
in town running a fulltime studio with Paris and he has never posted here
cheers,
Mike
Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>This is a highly interesting pattern that crops up again and again - one
>visible PARIS user here on the NG equals two more invisible ones outside.
>
>The estimates previously made of overall PARIS users weren't made using
that
>ratio; they were derived by completely different means of guesstimation.
As
>Aaron has mentioned, the sales numbers for the PARIS video bear these
>numbers out (they were a bit higher, but attrition since then would account
>for that).
>
>But this model does seem to be a pretty compelling one. Using that ratio,
>125 identified users would give an additional 250 non-identified users,
>which would add up to 375 overall - which would put us within a single-digit
>margin of error of our overall estimate of 400.
>
>I don't know much about statistics but that does seem to be a pretty
>compelling symmetry.
>
>To me, given the rapid advances and massive price drops of other DAWs, one
>fascinating aspect here is how *little* attrition there has been. It really
>does underscore how functional PARIS has always been, and precisely how
far
>ahead of its time it really was.
>
>- Kerry
>
>On 7/8/08 8:13 AM, in article 4873866e@linux, "Tom Bruhl"
><arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Two of my friends never post but use Paris.
>> Tom
>>
>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:4872addb@linux...
>>> Rod and Kerry, I would concur on this too. I know of a small studio
>>> locally
>>> here in upstate NY, who used Paris the last time I checked and I don't
>>> think
>>> I've ever seen him post on the news group either.
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> news:486e3508$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it could be a litle bigger. I know of two Paris users I'm in
>>>> regular
>>>> contact with, that to my knowledge, have never posted on this sight.
So
>>> I'm
>>>> thinking there might be a few more of us that post here that might have
>>> similar
>>>> contacts that just don't post. Probably not a large number, but then
>>> again,
>>>> maybe more than you might think. For example, if ther are 400 users
world
>>>> wide, and 100 of them have 2 people they know of (like me) that have
>>>> never
>>>> posted, that's 200 more users right there.
>>>> Or not, I don't know. just thinking.
>>>> Rod
>>>> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi folks. Hereıs one of a series of updates/info posts (and - brace
>>>>> yourselves - some action requests) which Iıll be putting in separate
>>> posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Iıve been working on some basic infrastructure that I reckon we need
to
>>>>> support any forward motion. Blog/wiki/networking/development rig are
>>>>> certainly part of that infra
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