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LCD monitors and Paris [message #76359]

Thu, 23 November 2006 00:38

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

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>><DIV>this should read .......</DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV>Either you have to work in XTC mode =
>> which=20
>>negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you sum =
>> in=20
>>Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, so you =
>>work "in=20
>>series" wherein .yadda yadda.......</DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV>Deej</DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">>size=3D2>nowayjose@dude.net</A>> =
>>wrote in=20
>>message <A href=3D"news:4596a69a@linux">>size=3D2>news:4596a69a@linux</A>>size=3D2>...</DIV>> Neil, > =
>> > Great=20
>>post. The evolution of the cards/names is definitely confusing. Now =
>> >=20
>>here are some more thoughts for Parisites. > > Seems all=20
>>proprietary DSP cards have their advantages and drawbacks. Look at =
>> > the=20
>>limitations of Pro Tools for instance as far as being able to run lots =
>> >=20
>>of plugins. You have to buy lot$ of extra DSP hardware so in that =
>>respect,=20
>> > there are similarities to Scope and needing the higher DSP =
>>processor=20
>>counts. > It's pretty much a concensus of opinion over on the =
>>PlanetZ=20
>>forum that 30 > DSP's (two "Pro cards") are necessary for serious =
>>mixing.=20
>>The same thing > with the Soundscape system. > > =
>>Also,=20
>>before I diss the Scope platform as far as plugins go, I'm going to =
>> >=20
>>need to get spend some time with the third party offerings.. As with PT
> =
>>and=20
>> > Soundscape, there are "lots" of third party plugins for this =
>>platform.=20
>>I've > got the demos DL'ed but haven't tried them yet. IMHO, the =
>>stock=20
>>plugins for > this platform are as good or better than the stock =
>>EDS=20
>>plugins that came > with the Paris system with some being "much" =
>>better=20
>>(have you tried the > deesser?), and I'll wager that like the =
>>Skunkworks=20
>>subsequent offerings that > were DSP based, the third party plugs =
>>for=20
>>this program may be excellent > stuff..........but like Paris, =
>>and as you=20
>>have already pointed out, the DSP > resources are rather limited =
>>on the=20
>>Home and Project cards so going Pro > would be the ticket if this =
>>was=20
>>going to be a large mixdown platform.. > > I do agree with =
>>you that=20
>>the implementation of this platform as relates to > working in a =
>>native=20
>>audio app sorta sucks, but you can look at it either as > a step=20
>>backwards or as being familiar. Either you have to work in XTC mode =
>> >=20
>>which negates the ability to sum in Pulsar (the step backwards) or you =
>>sum=20
>> > in Pulsar and apply the Scope plugns there, or you work "in =
>>series"=20
>>wherein > with the VST plugins are required to be first in =
>>the=20
>>series, similar to the > Paris native>EDS "in series" scenario =
>>(the=20
>>familiar). > > Another killer way to use this platform is =
>>as a=20
>>*real time* FX processor > interfacing with the Paris ADAT and =
>>S/Pdif I/O=20
>>on the Paris inserts and > auxes. The Vinco doesn't use an =
>>inordinate=20
>>amount of DSP and it's got two > modes. Again as you pointed out, =
>>it's an=20
>>1176 ringer, but it also does a > nice opto. I will be looking at =
>>some of=20
>>the third party plugins as well > because I have heard some =
>>comparisons=20
>>that were posted of the DAS EQ's and > they were damned nice. The =
>>API=20
>>sounded killer and the Pultec gave a good > account of itself vs =
>>the=20
>>UAD-1 Pultec. Using these as "real time" plugins on > Paris =
>>auxes/inserts=20
>>may be similar to having a "zero audible latency" UAD-1 >=20
>>scenario. > > You and I had different expectations for this =
>>
>>platform and mine have been > met in spades. The way I use Scope =
>>works=20
>>wonders for my particular Paris > summing madness and it is the =
>>most=20
>>stable and flexible native audio platform > I've ever =
>>encountered. I was=20
>>going more for I/O connectivity on a stable > platform and the =
>>incredible=20
>>(and to me, fast & intuitive) routing options > than the =
>>plugins. the=20
>>plugins and synths were icing on the cake for me. I > really =
>>never=20
>>expected to give up my UAD cards but if the 3rd party plugins > =
>>are to my=20
>>liking and I get sick of mixing on three platforms, I just might.. =
>> > In=20
>>the meantime, the stability and the routing were the major ticket IMO. =
>> >=20
>>The routing has saved me lots of $$$ because it allows the Scope =
>>platform to=20
>> > be used as a digital patchbay, enhancing what I already have =
>>here that=20
>>I was > getting ready to expand.. These two things were worth the =
>>price=20
>>of > admission. > > Cheers, > ;o) > =
>> >=20
>>"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">>size=3D2>OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>><A href=3D"news:45952a49$1@linux">>size=3D2>news:45952a49$1@linux</A>>size=3D2>... >> >> Yeah, this looks like the same =
>>thing as their=20
>>"Mix & Master >> Pack", which I also have... this is =
>>another=20
>>problem with the >> Creamware stuff - they have a couple of =
>>different=20
>>names for >> every product, and it's confusing (can't help =
>>their=20
>>marketing >> efforts any, either); it's like they decided to =
>>rename=20
>>their >> entire product line, but never dropped the old names,=20
>>either. >> >> Anyway, yes, to me this looks like the =
>>exact=20
>>same thing as what >> they now call their Mix & Master =
>>Pack, and=20
>>IMO, YMMV, etc, some >> of the FX are useful, and some of 'em =
>>are total=20
>>crap... or more >> accurately, some are useful, some are crap, =
>>some=20
>>don't seem to >> do much of anything at all and so you have to =
>>wonder:=20
>>"why >> bother even writing this plugin?". I noticed in one of=20
>>the >> Pulsar forum threads the other day where someone =
>>mentioned=20
>>that >> you have to get the Vinco compressor in the red before =
>>it=20
>>does >> anything. I didn't find that to be the case, but then I =
>>
>>haven't >> tried it on low-level signals (and maybe they=20
>>were >> exaggerating a bit). >> >> Also, =
>>Aaron, what=20
>>they mention on that page you liked to (down >> at the bottom =
>>of the=20
>>page) with regard to the list >> of "plugins", well some of 'em =
>>ain't=20
>>exactly plugins!. I'll >> paste that list in & run through =
>>it in=20
>>the order they mention >> the items (my comments in parenthesis =
>>
>>below): >> >> >> *MasterVerb Pro (a pretty=20
>>nice-sounding reverb, IMO. Not raving >> about it, necessarily, =
>>but it=20
>>sucketh not). >> >> *Optimaster (this is something =
>>like=20
>>Izotope's Ozone... a Multi- >> EFX mastering app. It's got a=20
>>Compressor, a limiter, expander, >> all multi-band (3 bands). =
>>It's not=20
>>as versatile as Ozone, and >> doesn't have a stereo spread =
>>section (or=20
>>a reverb, but that >> would be your "MasterVerb", above), but =
>>it sounds=20
>>