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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85181 is a reply to message #85159] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 18:19   |
chuck duffy
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is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people
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>>>> feel
>>>> >> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free
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>>>> health care
>>>> >> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has
> got
>>>> a real
>>>> >> historical problem with handling that particular because
>>>> entitlement
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>>>> becomes
>>>> >> dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not
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>>>> necessarily
>>>> >> always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with
>>>> bribery
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>>>> like
>>>> >> that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't
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>>>> and I'm
>>>> >> sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to
>>>> survive so
>>>> >> you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously
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>>>> not see
>>>> >> that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for
>>>> >>> employer
>>>> >>> pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic
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>>>> end.
>>>> >>> Even
>>>> >>> with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their
>>>> >>> employee
>>>> >>> top notch medical care.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being
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>>>> bilked
>>>> >> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That
> is
>>>> very
>>>> >> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and
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>>>> free
>>>> >> loaders.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who
>>>> belive that
>>>> >>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can
>>>> afford
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>>>> it..
>>>> >>
>>>> >> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them
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>>>> from my
>>>> >> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal
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>>>> entry
>>>> >> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to
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>>>> that,
>>>> >> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories.
>>>> Unfortunately
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>>>> we
>>>> >> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into
> the
>>>> >> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can
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>>>> pay for
>>>> >>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not
>>>> many
>>>> >>> families
>>>> >>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With
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>>>> rising
>>>> >>> fuel
>>>> >>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these
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>>>> days..
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>>>> >> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to
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>>>> those
>>>> >> numbers as an average.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only
> one
>>>> >>> catstrophic
>>>> >>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>>>> >>> horrible!!
>>>> >>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked
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>>>> from you
>>>> >>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has
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>>>> some
>>>> >>> debilitating
>>>> >>> disorder ????
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or
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>>>> super
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85193 is a reply to message #85115] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 20:07 |
Bill L
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ired" transitional card.
>>> If card expires, they are considered illegal and are subject to immediate
>>> deportation and denial of all social services.
>>> Employers receive a $20,000 fine *per instance* if caught hiring illegal
>>> workers
>>> No more sanctuary cities. Law enforcement is *required* to randomly check
>>> national ID/worker cards
>>> Profiling allowed (I hate this, but it's necessary)
>>> If someone doesn't have valid National ID or workers card, they are
>>> detained
>>> until they can show proof. No proof, you go back to country of origin.
>>> Worker gets busted for serious misdemeanor.......goes home - can reapply
>> for
>>> worker permit within 1 year. Felony, goes to jail, then home.- never come
>>> back.
>>> Rescind the law that allows children born of non-citizens in this country
>> to
>>> be automatic citizens.
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>>>
>>>
>>>> Aaron Allen wrote:
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com <mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com>> wrote
>> in
>>>>> message news:467591fd@linux...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Aaron, do you have any sources of data for the actual cost of
>>>>> providing
>>>>> > health care to illegal aliens? What numbers are you using?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Do you know the amount of taxes paid by illegal aliens?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Do you know the amount of money saved in the economy, overall, by
>> the
>>>>> > low wages they are paid?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats you are
>>>>> using.
>>>>> This'll get you started. And they're old numbers for the most part,
>>>>> could be an improvement in the situation but I seriously doubt it. I've
>>>>> seen growth in my area for sure and I'd expect the same for this region
>>>>> of states all the way to Cali.
>>>>> This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal
>>>>> immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused
>> on
>>>>> the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payment
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85201 is a reply to message #85193] |
Thu, 24 May 2007 22:15 |
DC
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gt;>> >>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not
>>>>> many
>>>>> >>> families
>>>>> >>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With
>>>>> rising
>>>>> >>> fuel
>>>>> >>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these
>>>>> days..
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>>>>> >> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to
>>>>> those
>>>>> >> numbers as an average.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only
>> one
>>>>> >>> catstrophic
>>>>> >>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>>>>> >>> horrible!!
>>>>> >>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked
>>>>> from you
>>>>> >>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has
>>>>> some
>>>>> >>> debilitating
>>>>> >>> disorder ????
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or
>>>>> super broke
>>>>> >> makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your
>>>>> money
>>>>> >> for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is
>>>>> considered a
>>>>> >> long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks,
>> but
>>>>> it's a
>>>>> >> reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into
>>>>> retirement or
>>>>> >> beyond.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70
>>>>> percent
>>>>> >>> "supplement"
>>>>> >>> to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have
>>>>> dignified
>>>>> >>> health
>>>>> >>> coverage.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal
>>>>> (how
>>>>> >> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on
>>>>> welfare or
>>>>> >> don't have insurance/money?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what
>>>>> they can
>>>>> >> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are
>>>>> now. Those
>>>>> >> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take
>>>>> it away
>>>>> >> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe
>>>>> gets
>>>>> screwed
>>>>> >> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the
>>>>> health
>>>>> >> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool
>>>>> can look
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85204 is a reply to message #85157] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 01:44 |
rick
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w.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>>
>>>>> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net <mailto:jjdpro@ameritech.net>>
>>>>> wrote in message
>>>>> >>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>>> >>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand
>>>>> those
>>>>> >>> who
>>>>> >>>>>> say
>>>>> >>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you
>> and
>>>>> yours
>>>>> >>>>>> then
>>>>> >>>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a
>>>>> even wost
>>>>> >>>>>> job.
>>>>> >>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can
>>>>> hear
>>>>> >>>>>> someone
>>>>> >>>>>> saying by who??
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients
>> is
>>>>> >>>>> because
>>>>> >>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>
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>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:467dd6f0@linux...
> DJ I don't think you have to worry about it. Nobody is going to think less
> of you for having half spaces between your gear (whole spaces without
> covers are a completely different matter, IMHO). It just means you are
> husbanding your gear well.
>
Don't tell Rick I'm husbanding my gear. He's gonna get all excited....
;o)Man!!!...I don't know if I could survive that without tossin my
cookies..........honestly. I have known a few nurses in my life and all of
them had a fortitude level that amazed me. Actually, my wife does all sorts
of minor surgery on our horses and is working herself into a veterinary
assistant's position with a good friend of ours here who has a large animal
practice. I'm sure she'll start classes at some point and if she decides to
go to vet school, I'll support her in that endeavor. she's smart as a whip
and she loves this stuff.
I just did a search for Sharon and shure'nuff, Sharon seems to have shown up
on the 19th. Welcome to Sharon. More estrogenous life forms are needed here.
;o)
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message news:467dcf0d@linux...
> Yeah, never get into a gross out contest with a nurse . . . tends to
> backfire. Last night I manually released an 87-year-old's impacted bowel,
> took my gloves off, and went to dinner. :) I'm on a medical unit and I
> bet there's at least one story I could tell from each shift that would
> spoil your appetite or retract your testes.
>
> Me and Edna only females left? Didn't I see a Sharon back there a couple
> days? Or is that the last name, like Ariel Sharon of Israel?
>
> S
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> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467dc48d$1@linux...
>>I already have one..............
>>
>> http://www.littlelabs.com/std.html
>>
>> I could follow up with all sorts o' crass lewdities, but you and Edna are
>> the only females left on this board, we like you and I don't want to get
>> lynched for runnin' you gals off.....oh wait........you're a nurse and
>> Edna breeds horses...........I doubt if there's anything I could say that
>> would surprise either of you.
>>
>> ;o)
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>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote in message
>> news:467dc0bc@linux...
>>> An STD?
>>>
>>> sorry . . .
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinjail.com> wrote in message news:467c9c17$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@No.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I bet you could have traded Paris for them. hehe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The question is what she would give you in return....
>>>>
>>>> DC
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>Bill L wrote:
> Actually I think we ought to invite any who want citizenship and can
> speak some English to take an IQ and an aptitude test. Any with an IQ
> over 120 and a good aptitude score, if they have a clean legal record
> and a record of steady employment, should be offered citizenship. The
> rest should be refused citizenship and should be sent back. We can use
> more able, intelligent people. Who says we should not pick the top
> applicants just like a company does. That's how we can make our country
> stronger.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore...."
Nah, that was so 20th century...
;-)
JeffI'm talking about the little speaker icon that lets you hear what you are
recording. Here's the method to my madness:
When tracking, I'm bussing my individual track outputs either 1:1 or to
stereo groups, depending on what I want to achieve) to a mixer (well, it's a
furman HDS-16/HRM16), but for all practical purposes, it's a mixer. Using
ASIO direct monitoring, this allows me to deal with whatever latency
buffering I need as the project grows.
On each track or group, I've got send #1 set to my main mix bus at 0dB. This
way, if the talent comes trooping into the CR to listen, I've got all the
tracks capable of playing back through the mains.
Problem is, I have to togglemouse the little monitor icon off on each track
or group for it to be heard through the mains.
Is there a keystroke combo for this. Also is there a keystroke combo for
turning on/off the track record enable button on the channels?
Thanks, (frantically thumbing through manual)
DeejDeej, if you put all the tracks in a folder, then you can toggle
the monitor (speaker-thingy) on or off for everything that's
in that folder... one-shot toggle, in or out. SIMPLE!
And yes, you can still put all your drum tracks in one folder,
all your guitar tracks in a separate folder, all your vocal
tracks in their own folder, and then put all THOSE folders all
in one main folder for the purposes of tracking & do the mutey-
thing there.
Folders also help when isolating certain tracks to check if a
punch went well or basic track is OK, or not. Nice to be able
to mute or solo stuff in groups, from a workflow standpoint
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I'm talking about the little speaker icon that lets you hear what you are
>recording. Here's the method to my madness:
>
>When tracking, I'm bussing my individual track outputs either 1:1 or to
>stereo groups, depending on what I want to achieve) to a mixer (well, it's
a
>furman HDS-16/HRM16), but for all practical purposes, it's a mixer. Using
>ASIO direct monitoring, this allows me to deal with whatever latency
>buffering I need as the project grows.
>
>On each track or group, I've got send #1 set to my main mix bus at 0dB.
This
>way, if the talent comes trooping into the CR to listen, I've got all the
>tracks capable of playing back through the mains.
>
>Problem is, I have to togglemouse the little monitor icon off on each track
>or group for it to be heard through the mains.
>
>Is there a keystroke combo for this. Also is there a keystroke combo for
>turning on/off the track record enable button on the channels?
>
>Thanks, (frantically thumbing through manual)
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>Just exactly what the fu*k is the reason for that new Brett Michaels
reality show? I mean, come ON.
At some point, when the girls and the premise (and the star) are all
that lame and stupid, it doesn't even matter that they have boobs.
Brett?? Hello??? 1991 called, and while they don't actually want you
back, they would also like you to leave.
Please, please, PLEEEEEAAASSSSE stop this reality crap!!!!!! Give us
shows with writing by writers. Enough of this garbage.
pab"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
Bill, I don't know what kind of JavascriptingHTMLSQL weirdness
you're posting in, but the first try of my reply didn't work
becasue fo some weird formatting thing... anyway: Yeah, the -10
that you're using on individual channels could be good too, I
think it all depends on the tracks themselves & the genre...
I usually leave the masterfader at dead-on zero & stick some
kind of brickwall across the 2-buss (usually Izotope Ozone -
that way you can use their MBIT+ or Psych5 dither at the same
time), and in my case -6 seems to be a good place to start all
tracks. I have a template set up for that, and often the vocals
end up higher & sometimes the kick & snare, too; but most
everything else ends up lower... IOW, -6 for what I'm doing
seems to be a good starting point for individual channels;
maybe -10 for you as a starting point is the way to go.
It matters not too much, I think, as long as you're not
overstuffing the mix buss with too many overhot levels going
into it or wasting bitstream resolution potential by having too
many low levels going in either.
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So I shouldn't need it right?
T.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467d5610@linux...
OMG!!!!! Just opening this up as a track insert on default settings on =
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Yikes!!!!
;o)
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> LA-3A and a Neve 88RS Channel Strip. Interesting...
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------=_NextPart_000_00FC_01C7B5FC.40444330--Thanks Neil. that's the ticket all right. Much appreciated. those folders
sure are handy for slots of macro'esque things.
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467debd6$1@linux...
>
> Deej, if you put all the tracks in a folder, then you can toggle
> the monitor (speaker-thingy) on or off for everything that's
> in that folder... one-shot toggle, in or out. SIMPLE!
>
> And yes, you can still put all your drum tracks in one folder,
> all your guitar tracks in a separate folder, all your vocal
> tracks in their own folder, and then put all THOSE folders all
> in one main folder for the purposes of tracking & do the mutey-
> thing there.
>
> Folders also help when isolating certain tracks to check if a
> punch went well or basic track is OK, or not. Nice to be able
> to mute or solo stuff in groups, from a workflow standpoint
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I'm talking about the little speaker icon that lets you hear what you are
>
>>recording. Here's the method to my madness:
>>
>>When tracking, I'm bussing my individual track outputs either 1:1 or to
>
>>stereo groups, depending on what I want to achieve) to a mixer (well, it's
> a
>>furman HDS-16/HRM16), but for all practical purposes, it's a mixer. Using
>
>>ASIO direct monitoring, this allows me to deal with whatever latency
>>buffering I need as the project grows.
>>
>>On each track or group, I've got send #1 set to my main mix bus at 0dB.
> This
>>way, if the talent comes trooping into the CR to listen, I've got all the
>
>>tracks capable of playing back through the mains.
>>
>>Problem is, I have to togglemouse the little monitor icon off on each
>>track
>
>>or group for it to be heard through the mains.
>>
>>Is there a keystroke combo for this. Also is there a k
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85228 is a reply to message #85154] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 07:11 |
Sarah
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I think we agree more than we don't here. But what we're talking about then
is recoding from source A to destination B and using the Mytek as an effect.
Which I think is insane but, yes, it's possible. Passing the sound out the
Mytek and then tracking it back via the Mytek seems more insane. But we're
talking about using a converter as an effect, and I guess its come to this.
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>But you can't _record_ that.
>
>You can if you go out of the Mytek (or whatever's) analog outs
>to tape or another digital machine's analog in's... if that 2nd
>machine is clocked to the Mytek (or whatever's) clock, then it
>could preceiveably result in a higher-quality 2-track file.
>
>>Put another way, if Dimitrios fed the SPDIF of
>>an RME Mutliface (BTW - running down RME gear on sonics is pretty ballsy
>>in my opinion. Maybe not the best in the world, but certainly not the worst)
>
>Oh, I'm not running down the RME stuff... I LOVE my Multifaces
>(Multifascia?). Are there better convertors? Apparently...
>though I don't know if a Mytek or Benchmark are among those.
>
>>and ran it through Deej's Benchmark it would sound like the Benchmark.
So
>>what Dimitrios is hearing is the converter. A perfect DA -> AD loop, with
>>infinite sample rate and word length, would create exactly the exact same
>>file as the original. So why do it?
>
>To improve upon a convertor that may have a more jittery clock?
>I guess if he's going out of an RME's analog outs to 2-track
>tape, and he's hearing a difference with the Mytek's output,
>then that difference would be translated to tape.
>
>>Clock jitter? You said yourself jitter
>>is a record/playback issue. The file doesn't have any jitter,
>>it can't any more than tape can have a head misaligned.
>
>What I said was that you can get jitter upon recording... that
>jitter you're stuck with - you can't get rid of it; and then you
>can also get additional jitter at playback.... if you're finding
>that using a different clock or set of convertors on playback
>improves things - that could be the reason it's doing so...
>you're eliminating or lessening the amount of playback jitter.
>
>>Even if the Mytek is used as an effect, if the RME converter is so awful,
>>will the Mytek'd file played through it sound better? And how much better
>>will the final playback devices be sonically than the RME?
>
>I have no idea - frankly I'm surprised that someone's finding a
>better convertor set than RME stuff at any price point south of
>the super-ultra top-end gear. I'm just giving Dimi the benefit
>of the doubt for the sake of the current discussion.
>
>>I'm saying this is a bad idea theoretically in that if done perfectly it
>>would just create a copy of the file, and a bad idea practically because
>>even if it's a good 'effect' it won't be audible in a significant way on
>>other equipment. I mean, why not Mytek it 10 times in a row?
>
>The idea isn't that it's an "effect" that can be enhanced with
>cascading several of a given convertors, the idea is that it's
>(again, theoretically, assuming there IS an improvement that's
>being heard) kind of a sonic Windex that can remove grime in the
>form of artifacts created by jitter... using Windex (the non-
>sonic kind LOL) can only get a glass so clean, right? I mean if
>there's something embedded in the glass, Windex can't get that
>out, so if there's record-end jitter embedded in the source, you
>can't remove it, but playback-end jitter can be minimized or
>possibly even eliminated.
>
>
>>Will we get
>>incremental (or maybe even compound) increases in 'clarity' and 'depth'
>with
>>each pass?
>
>Nope, you can only get the glass so clean... if there are newly-
>embedded jitter artifacts on a rendered file and you pass it
>through another stage, you can't get it any cleaner.
>We're not talking about rendering it more than once, we're
>talking about the one & only rendering of the final mix to a two-
>track file prior to mastering.
>
>Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.
>
>
>NeilI think mine are from here:
http://noisevault.com/nv/index.php?option=com_remository& ;Itemid=29
Cheers,
Kim
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85240 is a reply to message #85228] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 10:28 |
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>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>> Chris
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>> ADK
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762It would work nicely as a clock. You could spend just a little more and get
a Mytek Stereo96 A/D and get a a similar clock and great A/D converter.
Neither of these will help in the D/A department though, other than the
Mytek clock will reclock the Paris D/A converters.
Deej
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:467f1450$1@linux...
>
>
> I take it this would work?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mytek-StudioClock-192-CX-Clock-Genera tor_W0QQitemZ320130097707QQihZ011QQcategoryZ41784QQrdZ1QQssP ageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem
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> Seems like a good deal, even though it's 192...
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned when using a clock that the MEC
>>> sample lite goes to 48k, but I guess I could live with it. Would an
>>> external clock make a significant difference on a 1-MEC system or would
> a
>>> DAConverter help clear up any muddyness or harshness more?
>>
>>
>>The DAC-1 will give you clearer picture of your mix. It is far superior
> to
>>the Paris DAC, even if Paris is clocked to an external source. The
>>external
>
>>clock will improve the A/D and D/A resolution of your entire system,
>>including the D/A that you use to monitor you mix. This D/A converter
>>still
>
>>will not achieve the level of resolution of a Benchmark DAC-1, Mytek
>>Stereo
>
>>D/A, Lavry, etc, but it will definitely help. What I would look for is
>>something like an old Apogee PSX 100
>>
>> http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM99/Apogee/PSX-100. html
>>
>>..........or an older Mytek Stereo AD/DA unit (I forget that they are
>>named,
>
>>but Dimitrios would know.he has one) and David Seymour at Mytek might be
>
>>able to help you find one..
>>
>>These units have a clock that you can use to clock Paris externally and
> you
>>will get a superior A/D converter for critical tracking and a superior D/A
>
>>converter for monitoring, all in the same box.
>>
>>You don't need anything capable of over 48KHz sample rate with Paris.
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>The PSX 100 is 3K? If I was gonna spend 3k it would be on a Mytek 8 channel
ADDA. I had no idea the PSX was even being made now, muchless going for $3k.
If all you're looking for is a clock, buy a Lucid GenX-6 (not the 96k
version.. You don't need 96k.
Deej
"Wayne Carson" <carson_wayne@msn.com> wrote in message
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> OK, I'm looking into clocks using the SweetWater catalog.
> Apogee Big Ben $1345
> Lucid Genx192 $700
>
> Kim sent from eBay
> Mytek StudioClock 192-CX $690 states it's more robust and a better
> square wave then Big Ben.
>
> DJ sent
> Apogee PSX-100 $3000
>
> I'm gonna read up on all. Anyone have fav's.
>
> Thanks all.
>"Lamont" <jjd@aol.com> wrote in message news:467ee788$1@linux...
>
> That's right. They did not mean Africans, asians or even the natives of
> this
> land..Sad really sad..
>
and who is this "they" you are referring to?The US goverment..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>"Lamont" <jjd@aol.com> wrote in message news:467ee788$1@linux...
>>
>> That's right. They did not mean Africans, asians or even the natives of
>> this
>> land..Sad really sad..
>>
>
>and who is this "they" you are referring to?
>
>DJ,
Yup
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85250 is a reply to message #85228] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 11:17 |
excelav
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>>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface and
>>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a sound card.
>>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and
>>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in business..:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The
>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is not
>>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one being PCI.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and
>>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME converters.
>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or discontinued
>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can honestly be
>>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that sell for
>>> $3900.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Erling,
Check the next one out .
It's Sunday . . .
I'm much worser .
Tom
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:467f6d28@linux...
....hmmm... ...I see what you're writing but can't hear it....=20
....hmmmm....;-)
erlilo
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> skrev i en meddelelse=20
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> HI DJ,
> All we have are our ears.
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I =
had=20
>> it here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is a work of =
art.=20
>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were very expensive back =
when=20
>> they were being manufactured. When I compared it to my Mytek =
Stereo96 AD=20
>> and DA (at 44.1/48), I could hear basically no difference at all.=20
>> Dimitrios likely has the system clocked to this box as well which=20
>> wouldn't hurt anything. I did a little comparison to my RME =
converters=20
>> (and I have also compared my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface =
and a=20
>> couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My entire system is clocked =
off the=20
>> distributed signal of the Mytek AD converter and I don't really =
think the=20
>> RME converters are majorly inferior sounding in comparison to the =
Mytek.=20
>> There ares some differences but they are more along the lines of=20
>> *differences* rather than super extreme improvements in detail and=20
>> imaging. Maybe my ears just like certain converters or maybe the =
FF800=20
>> converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface converters, =
which=20
>> seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have actually seen people =
in=20
>> black hooded robes carrying torches and chanting while walking down =
the=20
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of a=20
>> donkey cart during full moons. I really sorta prefer the Multiface =
>> converters to the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not like =
I'm=20
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right=20
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amounts=20
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>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
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>>> Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>>> than the RME's?
>>>>
>>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they are =
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they will=20
>>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound =
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85255 is a reply to message #85250] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 11:26 |
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aybe even Tony Soprano.
You seriously need to actually read my post before engaging your fingers to
the keyboard again.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>No, sadly they probably meant if you come here learn the language, give
> the
>>same share of taxation we all have to and add something positive to the
>
>>society and you've missed the point.
>>Seriously, I care not who comes from where as long as they offer something
>
>>to make the country greater for their families, themselves and those
>>already
>
>>here. When I have freinds that pull their kids out of certain schools
>>because they received honors by _default_ of actually speaking English,
>
>>Houston we gotta big fat problem. you guys may not be geographically in
> a
>>place to have this happening in your town, but it's coming soon to ya at
>
>>this rate if we don't get a handle on it.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Lamont" <jjd@aol.com> wrote in message news:467ee788$1@linux...
>>>
>>> That's right. They did not mean Africans, asians or even the natives of
>
>>> this
>>> land..Sad really sad..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>Hi jeff,
>>>>Sadly I think they only wanted it to read..
>>>>
>>>>"Give me your European tired, your European poor,
>>>>Your European huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
>>>>The wretched refuse of your teeming European shore...."
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jeff Hoover wrote:
>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>> Actually I think we ought to invite any who want citizenship and can
>>>
>>>>>> speak some English to take an IQ and an aptitude test. Any with an
> IQ
>>>
>>>>>> over 120 and a good aptitude score, if they have a clean legal record
>>>
>>>>>> and a record of steady employment, should be offered citizenship. The
>>>
>>>>>> rest should be refused citizenship and should be sent back. We can
>>>>>> use more able, intelligent people. Who says we should not pick the
>>>>>> top applicants just like a company does. That's how we can make our
>>>
>>>>>> country stronger.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Give me your tired, your poor,
>>>>> Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
>>>>> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore...."
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, that was so 20th century...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Chris Ludwig
>>>>ADK
>>>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>(859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote:
>
>No, that's bull-shitt..!!! You don;t wha you're talking about..
>Please..Did you see Oliver Stone's movie??
Do you really look to the movies for your history?
Amazing...
>I peersonally know of many of my relatives( African Americans) poor who
got
>drafted and there where numerous whites sending their sons to college to
>avoid the draft , and send to canada..
>That's truth..
>
>So, you can keep you most educated BS facts..!!
When you want to learn what really happened, the facts are
available. Please don't quote Oliver Stone movies for your
support when the actual history is readily available,
DC
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.ne> wrote:
>>
>>>You know and I know, how the poor whites and blacks were exploited in
the
>>>Veitam war. With middle class and upper middle where not sending their
>>sons
>>>to war.. No different today..
>>
>>
>>One problem, it's bullshit.
>>
>>http://www.stolenvalor.com/
>>
>>Read it and discover that the vietnam soldier was the most highly educated
>>group ever to serve. They have had the highest success in life, the fewest
>>mental problems, and the lowest drug addiction of any veterans in the
>>20th century.
>>
>>The idea that the rich and connected all got out of vietnam and only
>>poor whites and blacks ended up there, is a lie.
>>
>>Read that book and get hip. It may open up a whole new world for you...
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>"LaMOnt" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Loopholes..???Write offs.???
Tell me more about these!! We use all of them that we are legally
able to use and still pay about 30% of our income in taxes.
Don't you?
DC
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Heck, most americans are not adding any value to days.. Truthe be told,
>>most
>>>don;pt even pay taxes ..
>>
>>Nonsense. Everyone I know pays about 30% of their income in taxes, not
>>counting sales tax.
>>
>>DC
>>
>My experience is that "PC Freebies" is the culpret. I had all kinds of weirdness
going on until I uninstalled them.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>FreakQ is the one that seemed to cause the most issues I believe, and it
>seemed like there was a little 3 pack that had something in it that created
>issues, name escapes me at the moment. Define "all" of them that you
>installed and I can likely pick the one out.
>
>AA
>
>"Mark" <sharonaloveslife@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:467fb883$1@linux...
>>I had installed all of the skunkworks plugs - I removed all but the
>>eventiter and the mods.
>>
>> I really love the plugs and as time permits, I'll start adding them in
>> again until I isolate which one was causing the problem on my computer.
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85258 is a reply to message #85257] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 11:41 |
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>>the super-ultra top-end gear. I'm just giving Dimi the benefit
>>of the doubt for the sake of the current discussion.
>>
>>>I'm saying this is a bad idea theoretically in that if done perfectly
it
>>>would just create a copy of the file, and a bad idea practically because
>>>even if it's a good 'effect' it won't be audible in a significant way
on
>>>other equipment. I mean, why not Mytek it 10 times in a row?
>>
>>The idea isn't that it's an "effect" that can be enhanced with
>>cascading several of a given convertors, the idea is that it's
>>(again, theoretically, assuming there IS an improvement that's
>>being heard) kind of a sonic Windex that can remove grime in the
>>form of artifacts created by jitter... using Windex (the non-
>>sonic kind LOL) can only get a glass so clean, right? I mean if
>>there's something embedded in the glass, Windex can't get that
>>out, so if there's record-end jitter embedded in the source, you
>>can't remove it, but playback-end jitter can be minimized or
>>possibly even eliminated.
>>
>>
>>>Will we get
>>>incremental (or maybe even compound) increases in 'clarity' and 'depth'
>>with
>>>each pass?
>>
>>Nope, you can only get the glass so clean... if there are newly-<
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85259 is a reply to message #85255] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 11:42 |
excelav
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>>embedded jitter artifacts on a rendered file and you pass it
>>through another stage, you can't get it any cleaner.
>>We're not talking about rendering it more than once, we're
>>talking about the one & only rendering of the final mix to a two-
>>track file prior to mastering.
>>
>>Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.
>>
>>
>>Neil
>You can also create a keyboard command to toggle the monitor icon on and
off. Very handy IMO.
David
On 24-Jun-2007, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
> >
> > Deej, if you put all the tracks in a folder, then you can toggle
> > the monitor (speaker-thingy) on or off for everything that's
> > in that folder... one-shot toggle, in or out. SIMPLE!I did find the keystroke command editor thing. I just wonder how much more
complicated they could have made it.
;o)
"David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote in message news:467fd35a$1@linux...
> You can also create a keyboard command to toggle the monitor icon on and
> off. Very handy IMO.
>
> David
>
>
> On 24-Jun-2007, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Deej, if you put all the tracks in a folder, then you can toggle
>> > the monitor (speaker-thingy) on or off for everything that's
>> > in that folder... one-shot toggle, in or out. SIMPLE!Hey Rich,
If you track back up the thread you'll see me saying I think this is a crazy
idea, but yes, that's what Dimitrios is thinking about doing. Taking the
output from a high end D/A converter and recording that output to a second
source. Originally the idea was to loop it back through the same box and
the the A/D conversion but I pointed out that if the box is doing its job
then the net result should be a bit for bit copy of the original.
Personally I think this is an example of false precision, and I'm essentially
positive it would fail a test for diminishing returns. But hell, I'm deaf
anyway, and audiophiles pay over $1k for six feet of speaker cable and this
appears homespun farmer's almanac sensible compared to that.
TCB
"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. I've been _very_ busy chasing girls
>>and playing golf.
>
>Man I wish I was this busy...
>
>I guess I'm surprised that the converters would make that much of a diference
>that they would be used as an "effect"...
>
>D your saying that they open things up enough to use them this way?
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Sorry I didn't respond to this earlier. I've been _very_ busy chasing girls
>>and playing golf.
>>
>>I think we agree more than we don't here. But what we're talking about
then
>>is recoding from source A to destination B and using the Mytek as an effect.
>>Which I think is insane but, yes, it's possible. Passing the sound out
the
>>Mytek and then tracking it back via the Mytek seems more insane. But we're
>>talking about using a converter as an effect, and I guess its come to this.
>>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>But you can't _record_ that.
>>>
>>>You can if you go out of the Mytek (or whatever's) analog outs
>>>to tape or another digital machine's analog in's... if that 2nd
>>>machine is clocked to the Mytek (or whatever's) clock, then it
>>>could preceiveably result in a higher-quality 2-track file.
>>>
>>>>Put another way, if Dimitrios fed the SPDIF of
>>>>an RME Mutliface (BTW - running down RME gear on sonics is pretty ballsy
>>>>in my opinion. Maybe not the best in the world, but certainly not the
>worst)
>>>
>>>Oh, I'm not running down the RME stuff... I LOVE my Multifaces
>>>(Multifascia?). Are there better convertors? Apparently...
>>>though I don't know if a Mytek or Benchmark are among those.
>>>
>>>>and ran it through Deej's Benchmark it would sound like the Benchmark.
>>So
>>>>what Dimitrios is hearing is the converter. A perfect DA -> AD loop,
with
>>>>infinite sample rate and word length, would create exactly the exact
same
>>>>file as the original. So why do it?
>>>
>>>To improve upon a convertor that may have a more jittery clock?
>>>I guess if he's going out of an RME's analog outs to 2-track
>>>tape, and he's hearing a difference with the Mytek's output,
>>>then that difference would be translated to tape.
>>>
>>>>Clock jitter? You said yourself jitter
>>>>is a record/playback issue. The file doesn't have any jitter,
>>>>it can't any more than tape can have a head misaligned.
>>>
>>>What I said was that you can get jitter upon recording... that
>>>jitter you're stuck with - you can't get rid of it; and then you
>>>can also get additional jitter at playback.... if you're finding
>>>that using a different clock or set of convertors on playback
>>>improves things - that could be the reason it's doing so...
>>>you're eliminating or lessening the amount of playback jitter.
>>>
>>>>Even if the Mytek is used as an effect, if the RME converter is so awful,
>>>>will the Mytek'd file played through it sound better? And how much better
>>>>will the final playback devices be sonically than the RME?
>>>
>>>I have no idea - frankly I'm surprised that someone's finding a
>>>better convertor set than RME stuff at any price point south of
>>>the super-ultra top-end gear. I'm just giving Dimi the benefit
>>>of the doubt for the sake of the current discussion.
>>>
>>>>I'm saying this is a bad idea theoretically in that if done perfectly
>it
>>>>would just create a copy of the file, and a bad idea practically because
>>>>even if it's a good 'effect' it won't be audible in a significant way
>on
>>>>other equipment. I mean, why not Mytek it 10 times in a row?
>>>
>>>The idea isn't that it's an "effect" that can be enhanced with
>>>cascading several of a given convertors, the idea is that it's
>>>(again, theoretically, assuming there IS an improvement that's
>>>being heard) kind of a sonic Windex that can remove grime in the
>>>form of artifacts created by jitter... using Windex (the non-
>>>sonic kind LOL) can only get a glass so clean, right? I mean if
>>>there's something embedded in the glass, Windex can't get that
>>>out, so if there's record-end jitter embedded in the source, you
>>>can't remove it, but playback-end jitter can be minimized or
>>>possibly even eliminated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Will we get
>>>>incremental (or maybe even compound) increases in 'clarity' and 'depth'
>>>with
>>>>each pass?
>>>
>>>Nope, you can only get the glass so clean... if there are newly-
>>>embedded jitter artifacts on a rendered file and you pass it
>>>through another stage, you can't get it any cleaner.
>>>We're not talking about rendering it more than once, we're
>>>talking about the one & only rendering of the final mix to a two-
>>>track file prior to mastering.
>>>
>>>Unless I'm misunderstanding something here.
>>>
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
>I would not do the partition thing. If your OS 9 drive is working fine I
wouldn't mess with it. I would get a second drive drop it in and load OSX,
Logic, Peak etc. It will work better and give everything room to breathe.
"Eugene B" <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm using paris 3.0 logic 6.4 bias peak 2.6 on os 9.22
>It works with great.Plugs are uad 3.8 and waves gold 3.2
>I haven't used osx 10.0 on the second partition but it
>was suggested i update osx and install logic,peak and utilise
>it in osx.Logic and peak are interfaced with a Motu 2408 mk3
>424 pci card.
>Will this update work without adverse effects on my paris/os9
>which i will mostly use on an upcoming project?let me know if you want the app that lets you print the shortcuts all out
so you can have them on paper. hehe Some nice guy wrote it and
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85262 is a reply to message #85154] |
Fri, 25 May 2007 12:12 |
Gene Lennon[6]
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>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
>> news:467e7f16$1@linux...
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>>> Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey man, are you SURE that the Mytek convertors sound better
>>>> than the RME's?
>>>>
>>> The Mytek's converters sound excellent. They should sense they =
are 3=20
>>> times the price of the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people =
they will=20
>>> sound better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable =
sound cards=20
>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to compare them the=20
>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated AD and DA =
converters only=20
>>> so the only comparison would be the ADI-8 DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS =
models.
>>> The RME converters used on the used on the Fireface, Multiface =
and=20
>>> HDSP9632 are some of the best you will get integrated onto a =
sound card.=20
>>> The Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and=20
>>> Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in =
business..:)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not that I'm doubting your word, I'm just
>>>> wondering if the fact that you're using a Fireface (Firewire
>>>> buss) vs. a Multiface (PCI buss) makes a differece?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the =
Multiface. The=20
>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface 400. There is =
not=20
>>> sound difference being caused by one being Fire wire and one =
being PCI.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I just don't see how a better convertor set than the Multiface
>>>> can be had for less than some ungodly-high price point (perhaps
>>>> I am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't tried
>>>> everything that's out there... i just know how good/how well
>>>> these reproduce accurate audio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> It can't. Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and=20
>>> functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME =
converters.=20
>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a used or =
discontinued=20
>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest product they make that can =
honestly be=20
>>> compared is the 8x192 with the fire wire option card but that =
sell for=20
>>> $3900.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME realm
>>>> besides the Fireface to the Mytek?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Chris
>>> --=20
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>>
>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>...For me it's allready Blue Monday and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Erling</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>> skrev =
i en=20
meddelelse <A =
href=3D"news:467f6dc8@linux">news:467f6dc8@linux</A>...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Erling,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Check the next one out .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's Sunday . . =
..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm much worser .</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>"erlilo" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:erlingl@tdcadsl.dk">erlingl@tdcadsl.dk</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A =
href=3D"news:467f6d28@linux">news:467f6d28@linux</A>...</DIV>....hmmm... =
...I see what you're writing but can't hear it....=20
<BR>....hmmmm....;-)<BR><BR>erlilo<BR><BR>"Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
skrev i=20
en meddelelse <BR><A=20
href=3D"news:467f2216@linux">news:467f2216@linux</A>...<BR>> HI =
DJ,<BR>>=20
All we have are our ears.<BR>>=20
Chris<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>> DJ wrote:<BR>>>=20
Dimitrios has an older Mytek AD/DA 24bit/48kHZ capable converter. I =
had=20
<BR>>> it here briefly before I transshipped it to him. It is =
a work=20
of art. <BR>>> These are built like a brick shithouse and were =
very=20
expensive back when <BR>>> they were being manufactured. When =
I=20
compared it to my Mytek Stereo96 AD <BR>>> and DA (at =
44.1/48), =20
I could hear basically no difference at all. <BR>>> Dimitrios =
likely=20
has the system clocked to this box as well which <BR>>> =
wouldn't hurt=20
anything. I did a little comparison to my RME converters =
<BR>>> (and I=20
have also compared my Mytek AD/DA's) to both the Multiface and a=20
<BR>>> couple of ADI8-DS units I have here. My entire system =
is=20
clocked off the <BR>>> distributed signal of the Mytek AD =
converter=20
and I don't really think the <BR>>> RME converters are majorly =
inferior sounding in comparison to the Mytek. <BR>>> There =
ares some=20
differences but they are more along the lines of <BR>>> =
*differences*=20
rather than super extreme improvements in detail and <BR>>> =
imaging.=20
Maybe my ears just like certain converters or maybe the FF800 =
<BR>>>=20
converters suck in comparison with the older Multiface converters, =
which=20
<BR>>> seem to have a bit of a cult following. I have actually =
seen=20
people in <BR>>> black hooded robes carrying torches and =
chanting=20
while walking down the <BR>>> road outside my house with a =
Multiface=20
on a small altar on the back of a <BR>>> donkey cart during =
full=20
moons. I really sorta prefer the Multiface <BR>>> =
converters to=20
the more expensive ADI8-DS converters. It's not like I'm =
<BR>>> going=20
to ditch them, but there is a tiny difference that I think I =
<BR>>>=20
probably hear, sometimes, maybe, if the wind is blowing in the right =
<BR>>> direction, the humidity levels are just right and I've =
had=20
proper amounts <BR>>> of caffiene and sugar administered=20
interveniously.<BR>>><BR>>>=20
;o)<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> "Chris Ludwig" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR>>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:467e7f16$1@linux">news:467e7f16$1@linux</A>...<BR>>><B=
R>>>>=20
Neil wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>> Hey man, are you =
SURE that=20
the Mytek convertors sound better<BR>>>>> than the=20
RME's?<BR>>>>><BR>>>> The Mytek's converters =
sound=20
excellent. They should sense they are 3 <BR>>>> times the =
price of=20
the Multiface/Fireface I/Os. To some people they will =
<BR>>>> sound=20
better than RME's. But sense Mytek make no affordable sound cards=20
<BR>>>> with analog I/O on them it is not correct to =
compare them=20
the <BR>>>> Multiface/Fireface I/O. Mytek makes dedicated =
AD and DA=20
converters only <BR>>>> so the only comparison would be the =
ADI-8=20
DS, ADI-2 or ADI8-QS models.<BR>>>> The RME converters used =
on the=20
used on the Fireface, Multiface and <BR>>>> HDSP9632 are =
some of=20
the best you will get integrated onto a sound card. <BR>>>> =
The=20
Myteks should logically sound better than the Multiface and =
<BR>>>>=20
Fireface. If they didn't I don't think Mytek would be in=20
business..:)<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> Not =
that=20
I'm doubting your word, I'm just<BR>>>>> wondering if =
the fact=20
that you're using a Fireface (Firewire<BR>>>>> buss) vs. =
a=20
Multiface (PCI buss) makes a=20
differece?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> =
The=20
Fireface 800 has slightly better converters than the Multiface. The=20
<BR>>>> Multiface has the same converters as the Fireface =
400.=20
There is not <BR>>>> sound difference being caused by one =
being=20
Fire wire and one being=20
PCI.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>> I just =
don't see=20
how a better convertor set than the Multiface<BR>>>>> =
can be had=20
for less than some ungodly-high price point =
(perhaps<BR>>>>> I=20
am ignorant, though, I will allow- - i haven't =
tried<BR>>>>>=20
everything that's out there... i just know how good/how=20
well<BR>>>>> these reproduce accurate=20
audio).<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>> It =
can't.=20
Mytek makes nothing that is the same price wise and <BR>>>> =
functionality wish that comes close the value of these RME =
converters.=20
<BR>>>> It wouldn't be fair to be comparing the price of a =
used or=20
discontinued <BR>>>> piece of Mytek gear. The closest =
product they=20
make that can honestly be <BR>>>> compared is the 8x192 =
with the=20
fire wire option card but that sell for <BR>>>>=20
=
$3900.<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>><BR>>>>>=
;=20
Talk to us, Dimi. Have you compared anything in the RME=20
realm<BR>>>>> besides the Fireface to the=20
Mytek?<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>=20
Neil<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>=20
Chris<BR>>>> -- <BR>>>> Chris =
Ludwig<BR>>>>=20
ADK<BR>>>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A>&=
gt;<BR>>>>=20
<A href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com">www.adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.adkproaudio.com/">http://www.adkproaudio.com/</A>><=
BR>>>>=20
(859) 635-5762<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>> <BR>><BR>> =
--=20
<BR>> Chris Ludwig<BR>> ADK<BR>> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">chrisl@adkproaudio.com</A> =
<<A=20
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href=3D"mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com">mailto:Report message to a moderator
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