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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67841 is a reply to message #67838] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 14:08   |
Dedric Terry
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; <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>> Is the Paris EQ plug still available?
>>>> Thanks, Edna
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>>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>> news:447948de$1@linux...
>>>>>> I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the secret
>>>>>> is bouncing each stereo freq band with EQ only and then the next
>>>>>> set etc until all are done. Then you bring the bands back to the
>>>>>> editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp settings.
>>>>>> (yes you have to do 4 passes to just create the files to do this!)
>>>>> DC, this can be achieved SO much faster using the Matt Craig Paris VST
>>> EQ,
>>>>> and in real timeif you want to adjust your bands. Have you tried the
>> VST
>>>>> Paris EQ for this application yet?
>>>>> It doth rock much.
>>>>>
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:44793f10$Report message to a moderator
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67842 is a reply to message #67841] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 14:01 |
Deej [1]
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>>>>>> Ok, here's the short version. I've been working on this most of the
>>>>>> day and am about to turn in, so this is very incomplete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4 stereo
>>>>>> bands and 8 channels and 8 compressors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the secret
>>>>>> is bouncing each stereo freq band with EQ only and then the next
>>>>>> set etc until all are done. Then you bring the bands back to the
>>>>>> editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp settings.
>>>>>> (yes you have to do 4 passes to just create the files to do this!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is complicated, time-consuming, and a general PITA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOWEVER, if you pay attention and are patient, the results are
>>>>>> friggin' fabulous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sweet, huge and detailed. Just amazing really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is much more to say. Later. BTW, you must leave some
>>>>>> headroom in your mixes to get the most out of this (but the
>>>>>> mastering guys have been saying that for years). This technique
>>>>>> works so beautifully with slamming the Paris mix buss that it seems
>>>>>> like it was designed to do this. Somewhere SSC is grinning...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paris for mastering. wadda concept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67843 is a reply to message #67841] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 14:16 |
Deej [1]
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes DC, please do share...!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4477dc50$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am discovering some *amazing* stuff trying a multiband
>>>>>>>>> split/compressor in Paris. THANK YOU to Sakis and Deej for the
>>>>>>>>> help with this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More to follow, but I am getting results, on very familiar
>>>>>>>>> material
>>>>>>>>> that are just making me grin from ear to ear...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As soon as I get this live disc out the door I will post the
>>>>>>>>> details.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paris lives!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>Kim, I have experimented with mastering this way a lot. And yes, sometimes
that does happen. What I notice is, stereo imaging will jump around. I know
Sakis uses this method, with success so it's probably a matter of getting
every set right. I'm just not that good!
Now here's the good news for PC guys. Using Matt Craig's comp. you check
the stereo box and have a stereo Paris comp...pre eq.
Rod
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67844 is a reply to message #67843] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 14:51 |
Dedric Terry
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"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>While I have heard a lot of people more knowledgable than myself talk up
>this method of mastering, one thing has always bothered me...
>
>The Paris compressors are mono. Therefore your left and right channels are
>being processed seperately. Surely your stereo imaging will go all over
the
>place?!? I mean, for starters, anything that's loud in a given frequency
>band, and not centred, will tend to get centred, because the louder channel
>will cop more compression. If, in a given band, the left channel is louder
>than the right channel, everything in that band will get panned further
right,
>because the left channel will get compressed / reduced in level more than
>the right channel. What's more, some sounds will no doubt cover more than
>one frequency band, and as this "repanning" effect is unlikely to be identical
>in all frequency bands, one part of a sound may get panned further right,
>while another band of it stays where it is, or even moves further left depending
>what is in that band.
>
>I would have thought that on material with considerable stereo content,
things
>will end up all over the shop in terms of stereo imaging.
>
>On the other hand, there's a very practicle school of thought which says
>"If it sounds good, just do it"...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
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>>Ok, you asked for it......... PC mastering technique in Paris:
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>>Take your 2 track L/R master final mix file. Put the Left mix file on =
>>Channels 1,3,5 and 7. Pan hard left. Put the Right mix file on Channels
>=
>>2,4,6 and 8. Pan hard right. Using the Paris VST EQ, split the files =
>>into different bands. 1/2 will be lo pass, 3/4 will be low mid band, 5/6
>=
>>will be hi mid band, 7/8 will be hi pass. Freq will vary depending on =
>>taste and what you're going for and program material. Use your ears, =
>>nobody can hand you that in text and be completely accurate. Start with
>=
>>the Sakis Frequencies... Lo 20-90hz. Lo-Mid 90-540 Hi-Mid 540-6Khz Hi
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>>6-20Khz. Compress each 'set' of channels (1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8) with =
>>either the Paris Compressor or with a good sounding native POST Paris =
>>VST EQ. The placement is absolutely critical. Tie all faders together =
>>using Grouping on the mixer. Do not for ANY reason split these waves =
>>into another editor unless you're ready to fight phase and time delay
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67845 is a reply to message #67844] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 14:44 |
Craig Mitchell
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>>demons between submixes. Also, be sure you have everything selected with
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>>the time lock tool when you do this - same reason about phase/time.=20
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>>Now, the thing is, you can adjust the Gain/EQ mojo separately for each
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>>band, you can compress with different ratios, thresholds.. whatever =
>>suits the material, all in Paris. If you use the Paris compressor, be =
>>sure to match each pair of tracks' settings (1=3D2, 3=3D4, 5=3D6, =
>>7=3D8). Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period.=20
>>
>>Now then, for more secret sauce beyond the Eq/Gain trick.. put one more
>=
>>compressor on the global but do NOT compress with it. Threshold all the
>=
>>way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the gain output to beat the
>=
>>snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but ... and this is also
>=
>>super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB or you'll =
>>blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital converters that =
>>your stuff will eventually have to suffer.=20
>>Be careful in all this, you have SO much gain shaping you can turn the
=
>>wav into a baby ruth in the repro guy's editor... and no one wants to =
>>find a baby ruth floating in their pool of music. Don't smash it so much
>=
>>that it only takes 5 bits to play it back faithfully. Again, use your =
>>ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will take more abuse than say, a =
>>ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program material dependant' =
>>thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like a Pantera =
>>tune, for example.=20
>>
>>Essentially you are creating a Waves multiband compressor, only you're
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>>using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. better IMO. YMMV. If you
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>>plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and create your own =
>>template PPJ you can just time lock drag the 'files' to and be on your
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>>way.=20
>>
>>For you Mac mastering gurus, just replace the Paris VST EQ with a good
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>>sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band pass and hi pass.
=
>>Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain trick in the =
>>Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris EQ =
>>Gain in it's place post eq/compression for each group of channels.
>>
>>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I suspect Doug Wellington has it =
>>posted on his page.
>>Doug, you still out there man?
>>
>>AA,=20
>>semi kinda not really a mastering dude guy
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------=
>>----------------------
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:447cb558$1@linux...
>>>=20
>>> So what's this trick mastering technique?
>>>=20
>>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Word. I'd be willing to bet that this VST plug is somewhere in Tank's
>=
>>Steiny
>>>=20
>>>>arsenal in regular use. Matt did an amazing job of recreating the =
>>Paris
>>>=20
>>>>channel Eq/Gain mojo.
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>"chuck duffy" <cxsd@c.com> wrote in message news:447b8639$1@linux...
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67847 is a reply to message #67845] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 15:49 |
RZ
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#64;texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Is the Paris EQ plug still available?
>>>>>>>Thanks, Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:447948de$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the
>=
>>secret
>>>>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq band with EQ only and then the =
>>next
>>>>>>>> > set etc until all are done. Then you bring the bands back to
=
>>the
>>>>>>>> > editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp =
>>settings.
>>>>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes to just create the files to do =
>>this!)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC, this can be achieved SO much faster using the Matt Craig =
>>Paris
>>> VST
>>>>>>EQ,
>>>>>>>> and in real timeif you want to adjust your bands. Have you tried
>=
>>the
>>>>> VST
>>>>>>>> Paris EQ for this application yet?
>>>>>>>> It doth rock much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message =
>>news:44793f10$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Ok, here's the short version. I've been working on this most
=
>>of
>>> the
>>>>>>>> > day and am about to turn in, so this is very incomplete.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4
>=
>>stereo
>>>>>>>> > bands and 8 channels and 8 compressors.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the
>=
>>secret
>>>>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq band with EQ only and then the =
>>next
>>>>>>>> > set etc until all are done. Then you bring the bands back to
=
>>the
>>>>>>>> > editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp =
>>settings.
>>>>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes to just create the files to do =
>>this!)
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > It is complicated, time-consuming, and a general PITA.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > HOWEVER, if you pay attention and are patient, the results are
>>>>>>>> > friggin' fabulous.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Sweet, huge and detailed. Just amazing really.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > There is much more to say. Later. BTW, you must leave some
>>>>>>>> > headroom in your mixes to get the most out of this (but the
>>>>>>>> > mastering guys have been saying that for years). This technique
>>>>>>>> > works so beautifully with slamming the Paris mix buss that it
=
>>seems
>>>>>>>> > like it was designed to do this. Somewhere SSC is grinning...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Paris for mastering. wadda concept.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > DC
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > DC
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >>Rob Arsenault" <mani2@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >>>Yes DC, please do share...!!
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>> >>>"DC" <dc&#
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67849 is a reply to message #67838] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 16:01 |
Kim
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>>3=3D4, 5=3D6, 7=3D8).=20
>>Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Now then, for more secret sauce
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>>beyond the=20
>>Eq/Gain trick.. put one more compressor on the global but do NOT =
>>compress with=20
>>it. Threshold all the way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the
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>>gain=20
>>output to beat the snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but =
>>... and=20
>>this is also super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB
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>>or=20
>>you'll blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital =
>>converters=20
>>that your stuff will eventually have to suffer. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Be careful in all this, you =
>>have SO much=20
>>gain shaping you can turn the wav into a baby ruth in the repro=20
>>guy's editor... and no one wants to find a baby ruth floating in =
>>their pool=20
>>of music. Don't smash it so much that it only takes 5 bits to play =
>>it back=20
>>faithfully. Again, use your ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will =
>>take more=20
>>abuse than say, a ballad or classical.
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67850 is a reply to message #67843] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 16:01 |
Rod Lincoln
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This is part of the 'program =
>>material=20
>>dependant' thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like
a
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>>Pantera=20
>>tune, for example</STRONG>. </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Essentially you are creating a Waves =
>>multiband=20
>>compressor, only you're using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. =
>>better=20
>>IMO. YMMV. If you plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and=20
>>create your own template PPJ you can just time lock drag the =
>>'files'=20
>>to and be on your way. </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For you Mac mastering gurus, just =
>>replace the Paris=20
>>VST EQ with a good sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band
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>>pass and=20
>>hi pass. Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain =
>>trick in=20
>>the Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris
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>>EQ Gain=20
>>in it's place post eq/compression for each group of =
>>channels.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I =
>>suspect Doug=20
>>Wellington has it posted on his page.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug, you still out there =
>>man?</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
>>size=3D3><EM><STRONG>AA,</STRONG></EM></FONT> </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>semi kinda not really a mastering dude=20
>>guy</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"John" <</FONT><A =
>>href=3D"mailto:no@no.com"><FONT=20
>>face=3DArial size=3D2>Report message to a moderator
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67851 is a reply to message #67847] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 16:08 |
Deej [1]
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_blank">no@no.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>> wrote in=20
>>message </FONT><A href=3D"news:447cb558$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>news:447cb558$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>...</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> So =
>>what's this=20
>>trick mastering technique?<BR>> <BR>> "Aaron Allen" <</FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>nospam@not_here.dude</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
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>>wrote:<BR>>>Word. I'd be willing to bet that this VST plug is =
>>somewhere in=20
>>Tank's Steiny<BR>> <BR>>>arsenal in regular use. Matt did =
>>an=20
>>amazing job of recreating the Paris<BR>> <BR>>>channel Eq/Gain=20
>>mojo.<BR>>>AA<BR>>><BR>>>"chuck duffy" <</FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:cxsd@c.com"><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>cxsd@c.com</FONT></A><FONT=20
>>face=3DArial size=3D2>> wrote in message </FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"news:447b8639$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>news:447b8639$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>...<BR>>>><BR>>>> Hi=20
>>Don,<BR>>>><BR>>>> The vst eq bit cancels with the =
>>paris eq=20
>>when phase inverted.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I forced Brian T to =
>>try it=20
>>when he was unconvinced.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I know that =
>>everyone is=20
>>dubious, but matt worked 24 hours a day for months<BR>>>> to =
>>ensure=20
>>that he could perfectly emulate the paris =
>>eq.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I=20
>>am familiar with the "pretty colored and non-linear" comment about=20
>>this<BR>>>> plug, as I read and responded to it way back when =
>>on=20
>>whatever vst forum<BR>> it<BR>>>> was posted=20
>>in.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> I know this won't =
>>help=20
>>anyones perception, but when I hear people <BR>>>>=20
>>wondering<BR>>>> how to capture the paris special sauce - this =
>>plug is=20
>>it.<BR>>>><BR>>>> =
>>CHuck<BR>>>><BR>>>> "DC"=20
>><</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:dc@spammersinheck.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>dc@spammersinheck.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>>=20
>>wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>As I understand it, that =
>>EQ was=20
>>pretty colored and non-linear.<BR>>>>>What I need is simple, =
>>clean,=20
>>accurate band splits. The Paris EQ<BR>>>>>does this =
>>nicely,=20
>>but the whole process is tedious to say the=20
>>least.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Sounds great=20
>>though.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>DC<BR>>>>><BR>=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>"RiverLake=20
>>Farms" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com"><FONT =
>>face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>edna@texomaonline.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>size=3D2>>=20
>>wrote:<BR>>>>>>Is the Paris EQ plug still=20
>>available?<BR>>>>>>Thanks,=20
>>Edna<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>"Aaron Allen" =
>><</FONT><A=20
>>href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>size=3D2>nospam@not_here.dude</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
>>wrote in=20
>>message<BR>>>>>>news:447948de$1@linux...<BR>>>>&g=
>>t;>><BR>>>>>>>=20
>>> I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the=20
>>secret<BR>>>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq =
>>band with=20
>>EQ only and then the next<BR>>>>>>> > set etc until =
>>all are=20
>>done. Then you bring the bands back to
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67856 is a reply to message #67855] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 17:59 |
steve the artguy
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>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I suspect Doug Wellington
>has it posted on his page. Doug, you still out there man?
I have that plugin, and would be happy to e-mail it to anyone
who needs it (which I assume Matt would be OK with, since he
made it available for free). If anyone needs it, shoot me an
e-mail so I can reply to it with the file attached. My e-mail
is: neil DOT henderson AT sbcglobal DOT net.
IMO, however, I disagree with those who say it sounds EXACTLY
like the embedded Paris EQ... the low end reacts a bit
differently, methinks. But then, that could be because I'm
using it at 88.2k, which Matt himself told me he wasn't sure if
it would work with that samplerate or not (it does).
Also, for you guys who are considering getting into mastering,
you absolutely need to check out Ozone as a much less labor-
intensive alternative to the method Don brought up herein; you
can get your multiband compression, limiting & expansion
(4 bands), a high-quality maximizer, exciter, mastering reverb,
several types of dithering, a stereo imager/enhancer (be
careful! use sparingly!), and a FANTASTIC linear-
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67860 is a reply to message #67838] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 19:46 |
wmarkwilson
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ll cop more compression. If, in a given band, the left channel is louder
>>than the right channel, everything in that band will get panned further
>right,
>>because the left channel will get compressed / reduced in level more than
>>the right channel. What's more, some sounds will no doubt cover more than
>>one frequency band, and as this "repanning" effect is unlikely to be identical
>>in all frequency bands, one part of a sound may get panned further right,
>>while another band of it stays where it is, or even moves further left
depending
>>what is in that band.
>>
>>I would have thought that on material with considerable stereo content,
>things
>>will end up all over the shop in terms of stereo imaging.
>>
>>On the other hand, there's a very practicle school of thought which says
>>"If it sounds good, just do it"...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Ok, you asked for it......... PC mastering technique in Paris:
>>>
>>>Take your 2 track L/R master final mix file. Put the Left mix file on
=
>>>Channels 1,3,5 and 7. Pan hard left. Put the Right mix file on Channels
>>=
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| Re: RIP SSC [message #67879 is a reply to message #67868] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 07:59 |
Jamie K
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;ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program material dependant' =
>thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like a Pantera =
>tune, for example.=20
>
>Essentially you are creating a Waves multiband compressor, only you're =
>using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. better IMO. YMMV. If you =
>plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and create your own =
>template PPJ you can just time lock drag the 'files' to and be on your =
>way.=20
>
>For you Mac mastering gurus, just replace the Paris VST EQ with a good =
>sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band pass and hi pass. =
>Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain trick in the =
>Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris EQ =
>Gain in it's place post eq/compression for each group of channels.
>
>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I suspect Doug Wellington has it =
>posted on his page.
>Doug, you still out there man?
>
>AA,=20
>semi kinda not really a mastering dude guy
> ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------=
>----------------------
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:447cb558$1@linux...
>>=20
>> So what's this trick mastering technique?
>>=20
>> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Word. I'd be willing to bet that this VST plug is somewhere in Tank's
=
>Steiny
>>=20
>>>arsenal in regular use. Mat
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