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| Re: China [message #96950 is a reply to message #96910] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 23:37   |
TCB
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e extravagant.
Lastly, in my opinion you are in the proper newsgroup and not off topic...
politics and someone's back yard animal is off topic. Music related is not...
that's just my opinion and hope others feel the same...
Have a great day and do yourself a favor and try out those Ibanez and save
yourself hundreds... unless you just like spending money... I am still
a peasant and can't do that.Never heard of the brand, but one thing when trying out guitars in a
store is look at the condition of the strings. If the Larivee had old
strings its tone could never compete with a guitar with fresh strings.
Your mention of the strings going out of tune indicates they may have
been very new.
D.P. wrote:
> Note: is this an appropriate post for this section of the forum? I honestly
> don't even know what the "general" area is (I only get IDEA.EMUEnsoniqPARIS,
> whatever that is)... apologies if I should have posted to a different
> area...
>
> I went out last week to try a Larrivee acoustic at the local shop. The
> salesguy asked me a few questions about what I was looking for,
> pointed out a nice Larrivee LV-09E, but also invited me to try this
> Stonebridge 23CR.
>
> I didn't know much about Stonebridge, but he told me a bit about them,
> and a later search on the web revealed a few things. Made in the Czech
> Republic (well known for luthiers making other stringed instruments
> like violins and cellos, but a relatively new comer to the world of
> acoustic guitars). The 23CR is solid rosewood back/sides, a very nice
> cedar top, ebony fingerboard, tusq saddle and nut. No electronics at
> all, so you have to account for the addition of <whatever> if you're
> going to compare it with the Larrive LV-09E.
>
>
> First chord I strummed was stunning on the Stonebridge. Chimes like a
> piano. Just unbelievable. In comparison, the Larrivee sounded muffled
> (note that the Larrivee has a spruce top, which takes a bit longer to
> open up than the Stonebridge's cedar top, if I recall?).
>
>
> Since I know little about acoustic guitars, and also since I don't
> have such good ears, I wanted to ask around and see what others know
> about Stonebridge. I'm sure its resale value would be a lot less than
> a Larrivee or a Taylor (can hardly find any on eBay or Craigslist).
> But "investment value" aside, and just for the sake of its quality and
> sound, any opinions out there?
>
>
> I did find a few flaws with it: (1) When bending strings, the
> Stonebridge goes out of tune (whereas the Larrive staid perfectly in
> tune). Is there a nut-tweaking approach to solving this? (2) No
> electronics at all, though many here would consider this an advantage,
> i.e. get the guitar you want, then add the electronics you want; (3)
> Very strong mids, which might be considered an advantage, I'm just not
> sure... sometimes it sounded a little nasal, but I wasn't playing my
> best, was in the middle of a showroom, and didn't spend much time.
>
>
> Anyhow, if any of you out there have played a Stonebridge, I'd like to
> hear your opinions.
>
>
> For the record, the 23CR's cost is $1900, while the Larrivee LV-09E
> was $2500. Once you add the electronics into the Stonebridge, you're
> about at the same cost (or close enough) to a sure-valued Larrivee.
>
>
> Any input much appreciated...
> Dan
>
>Thanks so much Chuck and Mike-
Ted
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Guys,
>
>I know you are all salivating.
>
>I've spent 1.5 of the last three months in dubai. Now under crushing pressure
>at work and on the home front. Things are truly crazy, but I will try and
>get the machine out Friday.
>
>Once Mike has the machine, it is as he was thinking, a fairly straightforward
>process to build. The main th
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| Re: China [message #96952 is a reply to message #96950] |
Sun, 16 March 2008 22:59 |
JeffH
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Location: Wamic, OR
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crazy, but I will try and
>get the machine out Friday.
>
>Once Mike has the machine, it is as he was thinking, a fairly straightforward
>process to build. The main thing is that any new .bmps need to become .picts,
>which is probably not an issue, because from what I see mike is using the
>controls from stockfx. Some compiler directives need to be modified, and
>project references to the .dlls for linking need to be set up.
>
>Chuck
>"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
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>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>I have full confidence that Chuck will send the mac as soon as he can,
but
>>just out of enthusiasm, I bought a copy of Codewarrior 4 off ebay yesterday.
>> We'll see how it goes. Chuck said he had a hell of a time before he got
>>the development mac.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As am I.
>>>
>>>WAAAANHHH!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>P.S. Sorry to whine.
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>That would be a DP/Pro hall reverb as ported by our guy Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which Ted can't hear because he's on a Mac :>(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hmmmm. I just went to microcenter.com and I didn't see anything like you
described. For Winbook, I only see a GL-35 and a TL-35, but neither have
what you describe and both are $899.99. I am familiar with the Winbook and
was an owner of one a few years back. Honestly I will never buy their product
again. Unless they've improved over the years, they were basically a thrown
together foreigner company in Ohio buying cheap Chinese parts and putting
together very cheap laptops. I found this out after I bought a new Winbook
directly from that Ohio company. The power plug adapter inside the computer
first just fell apart one day... along with a few major/minor things only
to have the things rendered worthless within about 2 years. The manufacturer
warranty was only like 90 days (ridiculous) and not to insult anyone but
I am just being honest, the folks at the company where I bought could barely
speak english.
Again, I hope they've improved over the years and I wish you luck... but
personally I think places like walmart have awesome deals on new Acer and
Toshiba... yes they come with Vista... but the prices are really good. Just
bought my wife a new Acer 5920 for a little over $700 (that includes the
3 year replacement plan) and it is loaded, Intel Core 2, 3gb memory, surround
sound, etc etc...
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>I just bought a Winbook G35..at MicroCenter....nice deal...4gig ram,video
>card,pci slot, 4 usb,XP Pro...now which 8 channel interface to buy....
>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>news:47e5923e$1@linux...
>> Much appreciated Chris. I'll make sure to have him check out the laptop
>> you guys sell too...
>>
>> Graham
>
>Don, if you haven't committed to an instrument yet -
I went to the local guitar boutique many times with my engineer to cost out
instruments for recording and to look at a wide range of prices. We kept
coming back to the cut-rate Martins (the DX series with the composite
necks). It's true that out of the ones I've tried some have been uneven in
quality/tone, ranging from superb down to merely "good". But the superb ones
have been amazing - not "good for their price", just "really good" - they've
completely blown away guitars costing six or seven times as much, including
much more expensive Martins. The best ones have definitely got "that thing"
that says "record me".
If you can get a bunch of them together and find the "pick of the litter"
you might be pretty surprised at what you're holding for $500.
- Kerry
On 5/21/08 6:16 AM, in article 483420bd$1@linux, "Ed" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: China [message #96955 is a reply to message #96952] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 00:29 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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com" target="_blank">askme@email.com>
wrote:
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> Kerry Galloway <kg@kerrygalloway.com> wrote:
>> Don, if you haven't committed to an instrument yet -
>>
>> I went to the local guitar boutique many times with my engineer to cost
> out
>> instruments for recording and to look at a wide range of prices. We kept
>> coming back to the cut-rate Martins (the DX series with the composite
>> necks). It's true that out of the ones I've tried some have been uneven
> in
>> quality/tone, ranging from superb down to merely "good". But the superb
> ones
>> have been amazing - not "good for their price", just "really good" - they've
>> completely blown away guitars costing six or seven times as much, including
>> much more expensive Martins. The best ones have definitely got "that thing"
>> that says "record me".
>>
>> If you can get a bunch of them together and find the "pick of the litter"
>> you might be pretty surprised at what you're holding for $500.
>>
>> - Kerry
>>
>
>
> That is directed to me and what I posted?
>For Logic users:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1086
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.comResolved. Thanks!
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Hey guys, typically I print stems the old fashioned way (manual bouncing
2
>tracks at a time). For the first time I experimented with rendering the
tracks
>via Paris's "Render Track to Disk". It certainly saved me lots of time and
>the tracks "0" out which does not happen to that exactness when manually
>bouncing tracks.
>
>I am now using all the "rendered tracks" and my project is giving me occasional
>playback error messages such as "adjust playback settings". I never had
this
>happen before. Any thoughts?
>
>Thanks, TyroneThanks Jamie!
Jamie K <JamieN0-SPAM@JamieKrutzN0-SPAM.com> wrote:
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>For Logic users:
>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1086
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.comWhat was the cause/solution?
(just wondering)
Ted
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Resolved. Thanks!
>
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey guys, typically I print stems the old fashioned way (manual bouncing
>2
>>tracks at a time). For the first time I experimented with rendering the
>tracks
>>via Paris's "Render Track to Disk". It certainly saved me lots of time
and
>>the tracks "0" out which does not happen to that exactness when manually
>>bouncing tracks.
>>
>>I am now using all the "rendered tracks" and my project is giving me occasional
>>playback error messages such as "adjust playback settings". I never had
>this
>>happen before. Any thoughts?
>>
>>Thanks, Tyrone
>Hey Ted, it seemd that some of the files I rendered were duplicated in the
project (not sure how that happened). Once I removed the additional load
from the system (the project was pretty massive in size to begin with), all
was well and back to normal.
Tyrone
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
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>What was the cause/solution?
>
>(just wondering)
>
>Ted
>
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Resolved. Thanks!
>>
>>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey guys, typically I print stems the old fashioned way (manual bouncing
>>2
>>>tracks at a time). For the first time I experimented with rendering the
>>tracks
>>>via Paris's "Render Track to Disk". It certainly saved me lots of time
>and
>>>the tracks "0" out which does not happen to that exactness when manually
>>>bouncing tracks.
>>>
>>>I am now using all the "rendered tracks" and my project is giving me occasional
>>>playback error messages such as "adjust playback settings". I never had
>>this
>>>happen before. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Tyrone
>>
>Thanks Tyrone
I just recently started rendering files with native plugins
after testing the rendered against the edited original and
flipping the phase (copy channel settings to the new track
with the rendered file etc etc) I've been happy with the
result. Any prior nudging for latency (with UAD for
instance) is accounted for in the newly rendered file and it
saves time and horsepower. I hadn't used PARIS for a few years
until last summer, and remembered the debate between Sakis and
others over whether rendered files - with or without plugins -
were as accurate as bounced files. So far so good.
Ted
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Hey Ted, it seemd that some of the files I rendered were duplicated in the
>project (not sure how that happened). Once I removed the additional load
>from the system (the project was pretty massive in size to begin with),
all
>was well and back to normal.
>
>Tyrone
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>What was the cause/solution?
>>
>>(just wondering)
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbe
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| Re: China [message #96960 is a reply to message #96955] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 00:39 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
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d sort that out.
Thanks again!
Mike
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Guys,
>
>I know you are all salivating.
>
>I've spent 1.5 of the last three months in dubai. Now under crushing pressure
>at work and on the home front. Things are truly crazy, but I will try and
>get the machine out Friday.
>
>Once Mike has the machine, it is as he was thinking, a fairly straightforward
>process to build. The main thing is that any new .bmps need to become .picts,
>which is probably not an issue, because from what I see mike is using the
>controls from stockfx. Some compiler directives need to be modified, and
>project references to the .dlls for linking need to be set up.
>
>Chuck
>"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>I have full confidence that Chuck will send the mac as soon as he can,
but
>>just out of enthusiasm, I bought a copy of Codewarrior 4 off ebay yesterday.
>> We'll see how it goes. Chuck said he had a hell of a time before he got
>>the development mac.
>>
>>All the best,
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>As am I.
>>>
>>>WAAAANHHH!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>>
>>>P.S. Sorry to whine.
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>That would be a DP/Pro hall reverb as ported by our guy Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which Ted can't hear because he's on a Mac :>(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>BTW, Takamines have one thing they do really really well,
and that is the PU and electronics. Absolutely beyond
what you would expect at the price point.
DChttp://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
Comments?
thanks
DCyep
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>BTW, Takamines have one thing they do really really well,
>and that is the PU and electronics. Absolutely beyond
>what you would expect at the price point.
>
>DC
>DC wrote:
> http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
>
> Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
>
>
> Comments?
>
> thanks
>
> DC
Wonder how it does with latency.
JHNever used that product exactly, but know VMWare pretty well. Nice app, no
problems on XP, some gotchas on linux boxes, but there are decent workarounds.
However, the things that I think set it apart are really server side stuff,
automated failovers, fault tolerance, snapshotting, etc. For desktop stuff
at home I use Virtualbox, which is available for OS X. Again, can't speak
to it's stability/usability on other platforms but it's how I have a little
slice of Debian even on my XP audio machines.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
>
>Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
>
>
>Comments?
>
>thanks
>
>DCEric Clapton Shredslink
http://youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuAhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=RZrv9BQFvSA&feature=relatedAhhhh
My KID could play better than that...
Hey wait, my kid DID play that....
snork
DCWhat I want to do with it is run Autocad on a new Mac Pro
(on XP of course) while still using a bunch of Mac apps .
The Apple tech guy actually recommended it highly for this
sort of thing. No audio uses, just design work. I have heard
that Autodesk may come out with an Autocad version for
macs, but I am sure they won't until I buy XP, and Fusion,
and debug it, so I might as well get started...
grrrr
Another thing I wonder about is whether XP running
under fusion is still subject to all the malware and viruses
that a PC is? I could not get an answer on this on the
VM site. Waddya think?
thanks
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Never used that product exactly, but know VMWare pretty well. Nice app,
no
>problems on XP, some gotchas on linux boxes, but there are decent workarounds.
>However, the things that I think set it apart are really server side stuff,
>automated failovers, fault tolerance, snapshotting, etc. For desktop stuff
>at home I use Virtualbox, which is available for OS X. Again, can't speak
>to it's stability/usability on other platforms but it's how I have a little
>slice of Debian even on my XP audio machines.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/
>>
>>Seems like a good way to do everything with one machine.
>>
>>
>>Comments?
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>DC
>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Wonder how it does with latency.
I would not run PC audio apps inside Fusion. Any audio I do
will be Mac based only so it shouldn't be an issue.
DCbut can he play RUSH ! ?Again, I haven't used this particular product at all, so I can't say for sure.
I like Virtualbox, because it's free (as in both speech and beer, though
Sun bought it and they're still getting their heads around free as in speech,
but they're getting closer I think), it works, it has a very small footprint
and it likes Debian. My guess is, and again, I can't say this for sure, at
the desktop level the advantage of VMWare's commercial product will be integrating
with the host OS. The clipboard will work better, that kind of thing. That's
not a huge deal to me, but might be for you.
As an example, I'm writing this email from my DJ/Live performance laptop.
It sits in my TV room so I can play with stuff during the NBA finals. I've
been doing a LOT of database coding at work lately, and my preferred dev
tools are PostgreSQL and SQL Explorer in Eclipse. Well, I don't want a bunch
of java shit and development tools running in the background and hogging
memory when I'm making music. So, at the cost of a few GB of disk space I
can have Debian, Postgres, and Eclipse all cheerfully running _when I want
them to_ on my music laptop. For me Virtualbox does all of that swimmingly,
but I don't need to copy and paste Autocad output into Photoshop on the host
OS. You might.
As far as malware and viruses, you're VM will be exactly as likely to have
problems as an actual hardware XP box. As I always say, if you don't click
on email attachments, keep the XP firewall on, and don't go to porn sites,
you're good on that front 99% of the time.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>What I want to do with it is run Autocad on a new Mac Pro
>(on XP of course) while still using a bunch of Mac apps .
>
>The Apple tech guy actually recommended it highly for this
>sort of thing. No audio uses, just design work. I have heard
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| Re: China [message #96964 is a reply to message #96920] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 01:43 |
rick
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m" target="_blank">askme@email.com> wrote:
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>Hmmmm. I just went to microcenter.com and I didn't see anything like you
>described. For Winbook, I only see a GL-35 and a TL-35, but neither have
>what you describe and both are $899.99. I am familiar with the Winbook
and
>was an owner of one a few years back. Honestly I will never buy their product
>again. Unless they've improved over the years, they were basically a thrown
>together foreigner company in Ohio buying cheap Chinese parts and putting
>together very cheap laptops. I found this out after I bought a new Winbook
>directly from that Ohio company. The power plug adapter inside the computer
>first just fell apart one day... along with a few major/minor things only
>to have the things rendered worthless within about 2 years. The manufacturer
>warranty was only like 90 days (ridiculous) and not to insult anyone but
>I am just being honest, the folks at the company where I bought could barely
>speak english.
>
>Again, I hope they've improved over the years and I wish you luck... but
>personally I think places like walmart have awesome deals on new Acer and
>Toshiba... yes they come with Vista... but the prices are really good.
Just
>bought my wife a new Acer 5920 for a little over $700 (that includes the
>3 year replacement plan) and it is loaded, Intel Core 2, 3gb memory, surround
>sound, etc etc...
>
>
>
>"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>>I just bought a Winbook G35..at MicroCenter....nice deal...4gig ram,video
>
>>card,pci slot, 4 usb,XP Pro...now which 8 channel interface to buy....
>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>news:47e5923e$1@linux...
>>> Much appreciated Chris. I'll make sure to have him check out the laptop
>
>>> you guys sell too...
>>>
>>> Graham
>>
>>
>Ted, If I remember right, rendered files were never in dispute, as Brian T
did a 10th generation render and it still canceled out. What was in dispute
was disk bounce in 3.0 versues spdif bounce in 3.0. Sakis held the position
that disk bounce i
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| Re: China [message #96982 is a reply to message #96961] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 09:26 |
excelav
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days trying to stay ahead of 5 drilling rigs that had
moved into this area (because I told them I could do what needed to get done
to keep them busy)and unless I pulled a rabbit out of my hat, they were going
to sit idle to the tune of $17,000.00 per day....and that was just for one
client. another one had me doing some other stuff that was even more stressful
so anyway, I know I've been abraisive and cranky oand a little whacked out
so thanks for not kicking me out of the group..........and during this time,
I've had Chris Ludwig build me a new DAW.
It's an Intel Quad Core machine and is capable of playing back 40 tracks
at 1.5ms latency while recording 8 more with a 70% DSP load of UAD-1 plugins.
In Parisspeak, that's roughly a 3 MEC system running lots of UAD-1 plugins
at zero audible latency with a wonderful cue system, VSTi's, and every bell
and whistle you can imagine, without using ASIO direct monitoring.
ADK did a great job on this box and it wasn't real expensive. the cores are
running at 3.2GHz per, it's got 4G of RAM and 4 x 500G 7200 RPM SATAII HD's
configured into a RAID 10 Array. I'm also running a pair of 750G
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| Re: China [message #96983 is a reply to message #96920] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 09:27 |
Gary Flanigan
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SATAII drives
for audio samples and backup, respectively.
Does it sound like Paris? Nope, but it sounds very good. It's possible to
mix in Native and get "BIG". It's just a different prescription. The Neve
5042 tape emulator doesn't hurt either.
I ordered it with two system drives, one running Win XP Pro and the other
running Win XP x64 Pro. The first drive I tested was with Win XP64. The good
news was that this DAW is quite a bit more powerful than my dualcore Opteron
185 so I was able to achieve the 1.5 ms latency target that I was hoping
for. My VSTis' are as follows:
GPO
Ivory
NI B4
NI Bandstand
BFD
BFDII
Jamstix II
Trilogy
Drumagog
I was able to load all but one of my VSTi's and that one was Ivory. This
one wouldn't play nice with a 64 bit OS.
Despite speculation from Native Instruments that the NI installer would not
work in Win XP x64........all of them did load.....NI B4II, GPO and Bandstand
work fine in both the standalone and VSTi formats. It's just a matter of
pointing them elsewhere instead of the default path it wants to use and they
run just fine.
Performance was good at low latency, but not "as good" as I had hoped with
high track counts. For instance, I had 60 + tracks record enabled at both
32k and 64k buffers and was getting between 25% to 35% CPU loads. Also, there
was quite a bit of ASIO loading in Cubase when streaming samples in BFD and
BFD2. More really than with my older Opteron system.
After working a while with XP64 I started loading the same programs on the
system drive running Windows XP32. I can record enable over 100 tracks at
32k buffers an the CPU load is around 10%.
An even bigger difference is seen when playing back a project that is loaded
down with plugin count. Playing back a 40 track project with a 70% UAD-1
DSP while recording 8 x more tracks was getting a little dicey at 64k buffers
on XP64 (ASIO meter occasionally spiking). With Win XP32, the ASIO load during
dubbing on this same project is much lower and the overall system performance
is more solid. Sample streaming in BFD at low latencies is much improved.
At higher latencies the ASIO performance is roughly equal but the overall
performance nod goes to the XP64 because it can utilize all 4 x G of RAM
for use with virtual instruments. However, the main point of getting this
machine was to take advantage of it's capacity for operating at lower latencies.
As far as low latency performance is concerned, the margin between the two
OS'es give Win XP32 a significant edge.........significant
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| Re: China [message #96985 is a reply to message #96984] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 08:46 |
Deej [5]
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e.net> wrote:
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>Well, the last couple of months or so has been one of the most stressful
periods
>of my entire life as far as work goes. Chuck Norris jokes seemed like more
>of a sane reality than the insane reality of what's been going on here.
I
>got sick in February.......real sick, and wasn't able to really work for
>about 3 weeks and during that time I needed to be working at least 50 hours
>a week on a drilling program that I had committed to, so when I got well
>enough to work, the shit had hit the fan, I was behind the 8 ball and so
>I spent the next 60 days trying to stay ahead of 5 drilling rigs that had
>moved into this area (because I told them I could do what needed to get
done
>to keep them busy)and unless I pulled a rabbit out of my hat, they were
going
>to sit idle to the tune of $17,000.00 per day....and that was just for one
>client. another one had me doing some other stuff that was even more stressful
>so anyway, I know I've been abraisive and cranky oand a little whacked out
>so thanks for not kicking me out of the group..........and during this time,
>I've had Chris Ludwig build me a new DAW.
>
>It's an Intel Quad Core machine and is capable of playing back 40 tracks
>at 1.5ms latency while recording 8 more with a 70% DSP load of UAD-1 plugins.
>In Parisspeak, that's roughly a 3 MEC system running l
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| Re: China [message #96987 is a reply to message #96983] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 10:20 |
excelav
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target that I was hoping
> for. My VSTis' are as follows:
> GPO
> Ivory
> NI B4
> NI Bandstand
> BFD
> BFDII
> Jamstix II
> Trilogy
> Drumagog
>
> I was able to load all but one of my VSTi's and that one was Ivory. This
> one wouldn't play nice with a 64 bit OS.
>
> Despite speculation from Native Instruments that the NI installer would not
> work in Win XP x64........all of them did load.....NI B4II, GPO and Bandstand
> work fine in both the standalone and VSTi formats. It's just a matter of
> pointing them elsewhere instead of the default path it wants to use and they
> run just fine.
>
> Performance was good at low latency, but not "as good" as I had hoped with
> high track counts. For instance, I had 60 + tracks record enabled at both
> 32k and 64k buffers and was getting between 25% to 35% CPU loads. Also, there
> was quite a bit of ASIO loading in Cubase when streaming samples in BFD and
> BFD2. More really than with my older Opteron system.
>
> After working a while with XP64 I started loading the same programs on the
> system drive running Windows XP32. I can record enable over 100 tracks at
> 32k buffers an the CPU load is around 10%.
>
> An even bigger difference is seen when playing back a project that is loaded
> down with plugin count. Playing back a 40 track project with a 70% UAD-1
> DSP while recording 8 x more tracks was getting a little dicey at 64k buffers
> on XP64 (ASIO meter occasionally spiking). With Win XP32, the ASIO load during
> dubbing on this same project is much lower and the overall system performance
> is more solid. Sample streaming in BFD at low latencies is much improved.
>
> At higher latencies the ASIO performance is roughly equal but the overall
> performance nod goes to the XP64 because it can utilize all 4 x G of RAM
> for use with virtual instruments. However, the main point of getting this
> machine was to take advantage of it's capacity for operating at lower
> latencies.
> As far as low latency performance is concerned, the margin between the two
> OS'es give Win XP32 a significant edge.........significant enough to where
> I have decided to go exclusively with XP32. I have a fairly powerful
> systemlinked
> slave DAW to take up the slack if I run low on RAM in a mix and need more
> VSTi's (not to mention the freeze function).
>
> and yes James......I'm sure a Mac Pro can run circles around this, but a
> Mac Pro, tricked out to this degree would cost considerably more ;o).
>
> For me these days, it's about achieving a certain benchmark and that benchmark
> is to be able to use a native DAW with no audible latency, in the same way
> that I used Paris. that has been accomplished now.
>
> I just wanted to give you guys a heads up about this and also to apologize
> for being such a cantankerous wiseass (even more than usual) lately. I did
> buy some Brie recently as a gesture of solidarity with my socialist bretherin
> in France....
>
> Cheers,
>
> ;o)glad to hear you're better but the rest is nothing more than a
pathetic chuck norris fan bragging about his new shit...what a
loser...;o)
On 24 May 2008 14:56:33 +1000, "Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>
>Well, the last couple of months or so has been one of the most stressful periods
>of my entire life as far as work goes. Chuck Norris jokes seemed like more
>of a sane reality than the insane reality of what's been going on here. I
>got sick in February.......real sick, and wasn't able to really work for
>about 3 weeks and during that time I needed to be working at least 50
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| Re: China [message #96990 is a reply to message #96987] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 10:14 |
Deej [5]
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32, the ASIO load during
>dubbing on this same project is much lower and the overall system performance
>is more solid. Sample streaming in BFD at low latencies is much improved.
>
>At higher latencies the ASIO performance is roughly equal but the overall
>performance nod goes to the XP64 because it can utilize all 4 x G of RAM
>for use with virtual instruments. However, the main point of getting this
>machine was to take advantage of it's capacity for operating at lower latencies.
>As far as low latency performance is concerned, the margin between the two
>OS'es give Win XP32 a significant edge.........significant enough to where
>I have decided to go exclusively with XP32. I have a fairly powerful systemlinked
>slave DAW to take up the slack if I run low on RAM in a mix and need more
>VSTi's (not to mention the freeze function).
>
>and yes James......I'm sure a Mac Pro can run circles around this, but a
>Mac Pro, tricked out to this degree would cost considerably more ;o).
>
>For me these days, it's about achieving a certain benchmark and that benchmark
>is to be able to use a native DAW with no audible latency, in the same way
>that I used Paris. that has been accomplished now.
>
>I just wanted to give you guys a heads up about this and also to apologize
>for being such a cantankerous wiseass (even more than usual) lately. I did
>buy some Brie recently as a gesture of solidarity with my socialist bretherin
>in France....
>
>Cheers,
>
>;o)I guess now he's going to actually have to make some music. :-) Any more
bitching about hardware configurations will be met with a stiff: http://tinyurl.com/57loat
rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>glad to hear you're better but the rest is nothing more than a
>pathetic chuck norris fan bragging about his new shit...what a
>loser...;o)
>I woke up and looked at this, kinda bleary eyed, and thought it said "Bush
shreds!".
Oops.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZrv9BQFvSA&feature=relatedno, that would be Bush sucks :-)This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Deej,
It sounds like you pulled through like a champ
AND you have a smokin' DAW to boot.
Life is good. Right after it's really bad.
Tom
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rick <parnell68athotmail.com> wrote:
>glad to hear you're better but the rest is nothing more than a
>pathetic chuck norris fan bragging about his new shit...what a
>loser...;o)
>
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| Re: China [message #96992 is a reply to message #96985] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 10:30 |
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C8BD90.DC9AEC60--Hey Don,
Slow down :-) The great thing about a VM is that you don't have to turn the
'virtual' network card on at all. It's definitely possible to run XP networkless
on a MAC.
Chuck
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>For me Virtualbox does all of that swimmingly,
>>but I don't need to copy and paste Autocad output into Photoshop on the
>host
>>OS. You might.
>
>Current Autocad versions generate nice PDF's so if I get trouble with
>overloading the clipboard (which I have heard is not a problem with at
>least 4G ram) then I could always drop the pdf into PS.
>
>
>>As far as malware and viruses, you're VM will be exactly as likely to have
>>problems as an actual hardware XP box. As I always say, if you don't click
>>on email attachments, keep the XP firewall on, and don't go to porn sites,
>>you're good on that front 99% of the time.
>
>
>Oh swell, so I can turn a Mac into all the worst sort of
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| Re: China [message #96994 is a reply to message #96990] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 12:00 |
excelav
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of what's been going on here. I
> got sick in February.......real sick, and wasn't able to really work for
> about 3 weeks and during that time I needed to be working at least 50 hours
> a week on a drilling program that I had committed to, so when I got well
> enough to work, the shit had hit the fan, I was behind the 8 ball and so
> I spent the next 60 days trying to stay ahead of 5 drilling rigs that had
> moved into this area (because I told them I could do what needed to get done
> to keep them busy)and unless I pulled a rabbit out of my hat, they were going
> to sit idle to the tune of $17,000.00 per day....and that was just for one
> client. another one had me doing some other stuff that was even more stressful
> so anyway, I know I've been abraisive and cranky oand a little whacked out
> so thanks for not kicking me out of the group..........and during this time,
> I've had Chris Ludwig build me a new DAW.
>
> It's an Intel Quad Core machine and is capable of playing back 40 tracks
> at 1.5ms latency while recording 8 more with a 70% DSP load of UAD-1 plugins.
> In Parisspeak, that's roughly a 3 MEC system running lots of UAD-1 plugins
> at zero audible latency with a wonderful cue system, VSTi's, and every bell
> and whistle you can imagine, without using ASIO direct monitoring.
> ADK did a great job on this box and it wasn't real expensive. the cores are
> running at 3.2GHz per, it's got 4G of RAM and 4 x 500G 7200 RPM SATAII HD's
> configured into a RAID 10 Array. I'm also running a pair of 750G SATAII drives
> for audio samples and backup, respectively.
>
> Does it sound like Paris? Nope, but it sounds very good. It's possible to
> mix in Native and get "BIG". It's just a different prescription. The Neve
> 5042 tape emulator doesn't hurt either.
>
> I ordered it with two system drives, one running Win XP Pro and the other
> running Win XP x64 Pro. The first drive I tested was with Win XP64. The good
> news was that this DAW is quite a bit more powerful than my dualcore Opteron
> 185 so I was able to achieve the 1.5 ms latency target that I was hoping
> for. My VSTis' are as follows:
> GPO
> Ivory
> NI B4
> NI Bandstand
> BFD
> BFDII
> Jamstix II
> Trilogy
> Drumagog
>
> I was able to load all but one of my VSTi's and that one was Ivory. This
> one wouldn't play nice with a 64 bit OS.
>
> Despite speculation from Native Instruments that the NI installer would not
> work in Win XP x64........all of them did load.....NI B4II, GPO and Bandstand
> work fine in both the standalone and VSTi formats. It's just a matter of
> pointing them elsewhere instead of the default path it wants to use and they
> run just fine.
>
> Performance was good at low latency, but not "as good" as I had hoped with
> high track counts. For instance, I had 60 + tracks record enabled at both
> 32k and 64k buffers and was getting between 25% to 35% CPU loads. Also, there
> was quite a bit of ASIO loading in Cubase when streaming samples in BFD and
> BFD2. More really than with my older Opteron system.
>
> After working a while with XP64 I started loading the same programs on the
> system drive running Windows XP32. I can record enable over 100 tracks at
> 32k buffers an the CPU load is around 10%.
>
> An even bigger difference is seen when playing back a project that is loaded
> down with plugin count. Playing back a 40 track project with a 70% UAD-1
> DSP while recording 8 x more tracks was getting a little dicey at 64k buffers
> on XP64 (ASIO meter occasionally spiking). With Win XP32, the ASIO load during
> dubbing on this same project is much lower and the overall system performance
> is more solid. Sample streaming in BFD at low latencies is much improved.
>
> At higher latencies the ASIO performance is roughly equal but the overall
> performance nod goes to the XP64 because it can utilize all 4 x G of RAM
> for use with virtual instruments. However, the main point of getting this
> machine was to take advantage of it's capacity for operating at lower latencies.
> As far as low latency performance is concerned, the margin between the two
> OS'es give Win XP32 a significant edge.........significant enough to where
> I have decided to go exclusively with XP32. I have a fairly powerful systemlinked
> slave DAW to take up the slack if I run low on RAM in a mix and need more
> VSTi's (not to mention the freeze function).
>
> and yes James......I'm sure a Mac Pro can run circles around this, but a
> Mac Pro, tricked out to this degree would cost considerably more ;o).
>
> For me these days, it's about achieving a certain benchmark and that benchmark
> is to be able to use a native DAW with no audible latency, in the same way
> that I used Paris. that has been accomplished now.
>
> I just wanted to give you guys a heads up about this and also to apologize
> for being such a cantankerous wiseass (even more than usual) lately. I did
> buy some Brie recently as a gesture of solidarity with my socialist bretherin
> in France....
>
> Cheers,
>
> ;o)That made me sad.
John wrote:
> link
>
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=x_M9zWORBuAThis shit is cruelly funny.
John wrote:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=RZrv9BQFvSA&feature=relatedAfter watching a couple of those "shred" videos I needed a little taste
of The Man. Y'all better spray some Lysol up in here 'cause things is
'bout to get real funky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voNjeUUcdSo
And if that don't get it this will - ol' school style:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQgreat stuff, here's another:
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| Re: China [message #96995 is a reply to message #96994] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 12:36 |
excelav
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h?v=-BBS0wGKbb0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BBS0wGKbb0Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>How much was that machine, 'cause I'm about due for a new DAW and I
>would love to get the low latency thing nailed once and for all. One
>question: what are you using for input monitoring reverbs when you crank
>it down like that? Outboard or plug?
>
>If they could just make Cubase sand colored it probably would sound like
>Paris. Honestly (and I know I will get dissed for this) I never really
>heard the "Paris sound" particularly. Maybe because it was not even
>close to what I was used to in my analog studio. In support of that, the
>engineers who made Paris said there never was any compression going on
>on the mix buss. It's the desert colors, dudes. They look warm so you
>mix warm... could be true, actually.
>
Bill the DAW (with the exception of the audio hardware) the DAW was in the
neighborhood of $2500.00.
I'm using 5 x different outboard reverbs here. They are interfaced via AES
with RME ADI 8-DD units so as to be able to up/down sample in real time when
I'm working at sample rates above 48k.
I'm running an RME MADI, an HDSP 9652 and an AES 32 card in one 13 slot Magma
that is interfacing with the mobo via PCIe. I'm also running another 13 slot
Magma with 4 x UAD-1 cards which is interfacig with the mobo via PCI.
Converters are 3 x RME ADI8-DS units and Mytek Stereo AD/DA's. I'm monitoring
through my Benchmark DAC-1
It's a nice and very stable rig.Sounds great and that is a reasonable price, but my question was this:
let's say you are tracking a singer that wants some verb in the cans. Do
you use outboard or track with a plug or could you do either?
Deej wrote:
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> How much was that machine, 'cause I'm about due for a new DAW and I
>> would love to get the low latency thing nailed once and for all. One
>> question: what are you using for input monitoring reverbs when you crank
>
>> it down like that? Outboard or plug?
>>
>> If they could just make Cubase sand colored it probably would sound like
>
>> Paris. Honestly (and I know I will get dissed for this) I never really
>> heard the "Paris sound" particularly. Maybe because it was not even
>> close to what I was used to in my analog studio. In support of that, the
>
>> engineers who made Paris said there never was any compression going on
>> on the mix buss. It's the desert colors, dudes. They look warm so you
>> mix warm... could be true, actually.
>>
>
> Bill the DAW (with the exception of the audio hardware) the DAW was in the
> neighborhood of $2500.00.
>
> I'm using 5 x different outboard reverbs here. They are interfaced via AES
> with RME ADI 8-DD units so as to be able to up/down sample in real time when
> I'm working at sample rates above 48k.
>
> I'm running an RME MADI, an HDSP 9652 and an AES 32 card in one 13 slot Magma
> that is interfacing with the mobo via PCIe. I'm also running another 13 slot
> Magma with 4 x UAD-1 cards which is interfacig with the mobo via PCI.
>
> Converters are 3 x RME ADI8-DS units and Mytek Stereo AD/DA's. I'm monitoring
> through my Benchmark DAC-1
>
> It's a nice and very stable rig.Chuck Norris built a DAW using a Commodore 64, and after just one might
roundhouse kick it now runs faster than any system ever built. With not
just zero latency but negative latency. It records what he plays BEFORE
he plays it...
Glad to hear you're over the rough patch with your stress factor and
health, Deej. Congrats on the new system!
Take a couple of days off why doncha?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Deej wrote:
> Well, the last couple of months or so has been one of the most stressful periods
> of my entire life as far as work goes. Chuck Norris jokes seemed like more
> of a sane reality than the insane reality of what's been going on here. I
> got sick in February.......real sick, and wasn't able to really work for
> about 3 weeks and during that time I needed to be working at least 50 hours
> a week on a drilling program that I had committed to, so when I got well
> enough to work, the shit had hit the fan, I was behind the 8 ball and so
> I spent the next 60 days trying to stay ahead of 5 drilling rigs that had
> moved into this area (because I told them I could do what needed to get done
> to keep them busy)and unless I pulled a rabbit out of my hat, they were going
> to sit idle to the tune of $17,000.00 per day....and that was just for one
> client. another one had me doing some other stuff that was even more stressful
> so anyway, I know I've been abraisive and cranky oand a little whacked out
> so thanks for not kicking me out of the group..........and during this time,
> I've had Chris Ludwig build me a new DAW.
>
> It's an Intel Quad Core machine and is capable of playing back 40 tracks
> at 1.5ms latency while recording 8 more with a 70% DSP load of UAD-1 plugins.
> In Parisspeak, that's roughly a 3 MEC system running lots of UAD-1 plugins
> at zero audible latency with a wonderful cue system, VSTi's, and every bell
> and whistle you can imagine, without using ASIO direct monitoring.
> ADK did a great job on this box and it wasn't real expensive. the cores are
> running at 3.2GHz per, it's got 4G of RAM and 4 x 500G 7200 RPM SATAII HD's
> configured into a RAID 10 Array. I'm also running a pair of 750G SATAII drives
> for audio samples and backup, respectively.
>
> Does it sound like Paris? Nope, but it sounds very good. It's possible to
> mix in Native and get "BIG". It's just a different prescription. The Neve
> 5042 tape emulator doesn't hurt either.
>
> I ordered it with two system drives, one running Win XP Pro and the other
> running Win XP x64 Pro. The first drive I tested was with Win XP64. The good
> news was that this DAW is quite a bit more powerful than my dualcore Opteron
> 185 so I was able to achieve the 1.5 ms latency target that I was hoping
> for. My VSTis' are as follows:
> GPO
> Ivory
> NI B4
> NI Bandstand
> BFD
> BFDII
> Jamstix II
> Trilogy
> Drumagog
>
> I was able to load all but one of my VSTi's and that one was Ivory. This
> one wouldn't play nice with a 64 bit OS.
>
> Despite speculation from Native Instruments that the NI installer would not
> work in Win XP x64........all of them did load.....NI B4II, GPO and Bandstand
> work fine in both the standalone and VSTi formats. It's just a matter of
> pointing them elsewhere instead of the default path it wants to use and they
> run just fine.
>
> Perfo
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| Re: China [message #97002 is a reply to message #96982] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 16:42 |
erlilo
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2EDS Cards
and 2 control 16 surface blue
2 MEC's
Ihave an extra control 16 black face
they both have the latest PARIS software installed
and they sync up
I'm just trying to see what I can get for this stuff
the gear is in San Jose CA.
I am in Beijing I will be going back home sometime in July
to sell somethings and move to China
I'm not completely sure that I will sell my PARIS gear
but if I get the right offer.
anyone interested please feel free to contact me
THX.
CliffordSo, I could have the Mac access the net, but not the PC VM?
That would be cool indeed.
I would need to access it now and then for app and OS updates, but
if I could never use a browser or mail app in XP land I would be
very happy.
Am I on the right track?
thanks
DC
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>
>Hey Don,
>
>Slow down :-) The great thing about a VM is that you don't have to turn
the
>'virtual' network card on at all. It's definitely possible to run XP networkless
>on a MAC.
>
>Chuck
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>For me Virtualbox does all of that swimmingly,
>>>but I don't need to copy and paste Autocad output into Photoshop on the
>>host
>>>OS. You might.
>>
>>Current Autocad versions generate nice PDF's so if I get trouble with
>>overloading the clipboard (which I have heard is not a problem with at
>>least 4G ram) then I could always drop the pdf into PS.
>>
>>
>>>As far as malware and viruses, you're VM will be exactly as likely to
have
>>>problems as an actual hardware XP box. As I always say, if you don't click
>>>on email attachments, keep the XP firewall on, and don't go to porn sites,
>>>you're good on that front 99% of the time.
>>
>>
>>Oh swell, so I can turn a Mac into all the worst sort of of PC buggery
>>AND it costs 3K.
>>
>>Mac guys are Nutz.
>>
>>DC
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| Re: China [message #97005 is a reply to message #97002] |
Mon, 17 March 2008 18:48 |
Bill L
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;> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKXXzJhhlhQ
>>"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>Do you mind if I ask why you guys are selling? I'm just trying to figure
>out what the best next step is for me in terms of PARIS software development.
>
>
>All the best,
>
>Mike
>
>
>"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what the going rates are but my experience has been that
it
>>will
>>>go much much quicker if you sell as separates.
>>
>>I'm in the same boat, debating selling my whole Paris rig. I'm guessing
>>that people are mostly wanting to grab up the EDS and i/o cards. You probably
>>won't need a MEC unless you are wanting to start out from scratch with
Paris.
>> Will the MEC have any value at all if I part out the rig or will it just
>>be a boat anchor?
>>
>>-Brian
>People will buy the mecs too but each user has different needs, some need
a mec other eds cards or c16 and if you price it right the pieces will go.
JohnMike,
In my case, the rig has just been collecting a lot of dust and to top it
off I have had to re-arrange things due to space restrictions.
I'm afraid that by the time I have enough project space to get everything
going again, the rig will just be more obsolete and worth zero. I've been
out of the loop for a long time, what new development are you referring to?
-Brian
"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
>
>Hi Guys,
>
>Do you mind if I ask why you guys are selling? I'm just trying to figure
>out what the best next step is for me in terms of PARIS software development.
>
>
>All the best,
>
>Mike
>
>
>"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm not sure what the going rates are but my experience has been that
it
>>will
>>>go much much quicker if you sell as separates.
>>
>>I'm in the same boat, debating selling my whole Paris rig. I'm guessing
>>that people are mostly wanting to grab up the EDS and i/o cards. You probably
>>won't need a MEC unless you are wanting to start out from scratch with
Paris.
>> Will the MEC have any value at all if I part out the rig or will it just
>>be a boat anchor?
>>
>>-Brian
>Well, I've been adding effects as quickly as I can, and I'm going to fix up
the driver at some point. I'm personally happy with the PARIS software.
I'm just wondering what exactly causes people to bail.
All the best,
Mike
"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Mike,
>
>In my case, the rig has just been collecting a lot of dust and to top it
>off I have had to re-arrange things due to space restrictions.
>
>I'm afraid that by the time I have enough project space to get everything
>going again, the rig will just be more obsolete and worth zero. I've been
>out of the loop for a long time, what new development are you referring
to?
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