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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76727 is a reply to message #76725] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 11:35   |
DJ
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ite a bit of third
party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. Only
time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the average
guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs. Again,
it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being better
than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have copied
the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the aqua
musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip off
of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it for
years.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>Re-invented
>>> the phone...
>>
>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). The
>
>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>
>>
>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs stop
>with
>>> the propaganda.
>>
>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>
>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>
>>
>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll claim
>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>
>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>and no less capable. :^)
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a koolaid
>
>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>
>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
and
>>>
>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>
>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have earned
>
>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>
>>>> they provide.
>>>>
>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for phones.
>>>>
>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that it
be
>
>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That it's
>a
>>>
>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>
>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all my
>
>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>
>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>
>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon digital
>SLR.
>>>>
>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a Psion
>
>>>> PDA (like a mini-lapt
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76729 is a reply to message #76727] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 12:08 |
Tom Bruhl
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com" target="_blank">excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, you
>might
>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are superior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It like
>>> having
>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :)
>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>> http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is it
a
>computer
>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>
>LaMOnt wrote:
> Actually, Play for sure is a joint project from both Microsoft & Creative
> audio.
>
> Unlike itunes, media plyer does not discriminate on which manufacuter MP3
> player you have..
>
> But, the Play for sure technology really works and works well with all kinds
> of Mp3 players..
Sounds like more hype, just from a source you like. And it's fine if you
like them.
"Technology" seems an exaggerated term in this case. Copying mp3s files
to a player is not a big deal.
Is that how WMP is wayyy better? :^)
I could copy mp3s to any player from a Mac. It's not locked into iTunes
playlists.
All of these companies are trying to create an ecosystem to pull you in.
Apple has been the most successful at it by making iTunes seamless with
their iPods, but that doesn't mean the others aren't trying. More power
to everybody, the more competition the better. Maybe someday someone
will make a portable player that is compelling enough for me to get one...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>> It's stylus driven and a different GUI design. Works just fine, though.
>
>> It will be interesting to see if the Apple approach is any faster to
>> interact with, once it ships.
>>
>>
>>> And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
> with
>>> Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
> than
>>> itunes..
>> Wayyy? How so? BTW, "plays for sure" is just a hypey koolaid name, how
>> come that doesn't bother you? ;^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>> Re-invented
>>>>> the phone...
>>>> Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). The
>>>> "reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>
>>>> right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs stop
>>> with
>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>> Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>> surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll claim
>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>> They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>
>>>> least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>
>>>> and no less capable. :^)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a koolaid
>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
> and
>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have earned
>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>
>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>
>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
> phones.
>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that it
> be
>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That it's
>>> a
>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
> my
>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon digital
>>> SLR.
>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a Psion
>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool little
>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a lot
> of
>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if it
>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. None
>>> of
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
> has
>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of koolaid,
>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
> is
>>>>> just
>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS
> applications
>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, you
>>> might
>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are superior.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It like
>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>> Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>> Camera
>>>>>>>>> Recorder
>>>>>>>>> Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>> Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :)
>>>>>>>>> For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LaMont
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76736 is a reply to message #76717] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:42 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
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studiomanitou@gmail.com> wrote in message news:45a62e44$1@linux...
> Hi Jesse, I will be staying at the Dorint Cocagne in Eindhoven. Schipol is
> where the airport is rite? How is the weather out there this time of year?
> It must be warmer that Eastern Canada? -22 this morning with the wind
> chill.
>
>
> "Jesse Skeens" <jskeens@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45a5250e$1@linux...
>>
>> "Robert" <studiomanitou@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Business trip soon.
>>>
>>>Rob
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Long time ex user if that counts :)
>>
>> What part of holland will you be in? I'm about 6km south
>> of Schipol.
>>
>> Jesse
>
> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments_opinion/12 253/
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.macrumors.com/
>
>
>
>On 11 Jan 2007 09:29:55 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I checked it out. And if were a Mac user, I would pick it over the Treo
Wx,
>>since I'm more of a Windows guy, the Treo 700 WX is it for me..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Yes, the Treo and the BB are both vary cool products. No Kool-Aid here.
>>
>>>It's kind of hard to grasp the capabilities of the iPhone with out watching
>>>the keynote video in it's entirety. Once again, check it out.
>>>
>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>James,
>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>
>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows) is
just
>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS applications
>>>>and other Windows apps.
>>>>
>>>>www.treo.com
>>>>
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76740 is a reply to message #76729] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 13:38 |
AlexPlasko
Messages: 211
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de.net" target="_blank">nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>Just got off the phone with Magma. They don't even have a 64bit 13 slot
>>>
>>>>chassis available yet. The 7 slot model is over $2k so the 13 slotter
>>>>will
>>>
>>>>probably have a pretty steep MSRP.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>Go baby, go! Congratulations Tyrone.
MR
Who is this rod stewart guy?
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:45a55cb5$1@linux...
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> Guys, just wanted to let you know that our song "Enough" (Joanna Mosca) is
> continuing to do well in secondary markets. Her spins increased another
148
> this week and is still being added to stations across the country. The
current
> pole position is #28. Here's this weeks "Top 40" list.
>
> 1 1* ROB THOMAS STREETCORN (Atlantic) 1304 1265
> 5 2* TOMMY JAMES HOLD (Aura) 1085 1043
> 2 3 RASCAL FLATTS HURTS (Lyric Street/Hollywood) 1074 1214
> 4 4 SNOW PATROL CHASING (A&M) 1043 1110
> 6 5 JOHN MAYER WAITING (Columbia) 1007 1042
> 9 6* J-HENRY ANOTHER (Rockview/Fontana) 999 953
> 8 7 NICKELBACK FAR (Roadrunner/IDJMG) 964 980
> 11 8* FRAY HOW (Epic) 947 897
> 7 9 FIVE FOR... RIDDLE (Aware/Columbia) 909 988
> 16 10* CRASHBOX DROWN (Core) 897 837
> 12 11* NASSIRI LOVE (Nassiri Music) 896 890
> 10 12 HINDER LIPS (Universal/Republic) 878 915
> 18 13* PAUL KAWABORI STOP (PK) 869 828
> 19 14 N.BEDINGFIELD UNWRITTEN (Epic) 744 763
> 17 15 KT TUNSTALL SUDDENLY (Virgin) 713 834
> 25 16* ROD STEWART RAIN (J) 674 652
> 15 17 STEELY FLYING (NFE) 646 866
> 27 18* KELLY CLARKSON BECAUSE (RCA/RMG) 633 627
> 20 19 GNARLS BARKLEY CRAZY (Lava) 617 742
> 26 20 DANIEL POWTER BAD (Warner Bros.) 602 635
> 3 21 TOM FULLER CHASING (Red Cap) 590 1185
> 21 22 KT TUNSTALL BLACK (Virgin) 574 675
> 35 23* JOJO TOO (Universal/Motown/BlackGround/Da Family) 571 561
>
> 30 24 BON JOVI WHO (Island) 557 598
> 38 25* GOO GOO DOLLS LET (Warner Bros.) 556 528
> 39 26* JAMES BLUNT BEAUTIFUL (Atlantic/AG) 530 523
> 24 27 FRAY OVER (Epic) 518 653
> D 28* JOANNA MOSCA ENOUGH (Dolce Diva) 513 368
> 31 29 EVANESCENCE CALL (Wind-Up) 507 591
> D 30* C. AGUILERA HURT (RCA) 504 355
> 13 31 THERESE NEAIME FUTURE (Future) 495 876
> 34 32 AARON NEVILLE ALRIGHT (Burgundy/BMG) 455 572
> D 33* ROB THOMAS EVER (Atlantic) 418 385
> D 34* STONE SOUR THROUGH (Roadrunner) 406 339
> D 35 MAT KEARNEY NOTHING (Columbia) 395 419
> D 36 DAVISON/COLEMAN MOONSHADOW (DHW) , 393 437
> D 37 KRISTINE SEELYE WAITING (Kristar) 391 480
> D 38 NICK LACHEY LEFT (Jive/Zomba) 380 405
> D 39 CORINNE B. RAE PUT (Capitol) 376 447
> D 40* WRECKERS LEAVE (Warner Bros.) 349 307
>
>
> Tyrone
>I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but I'm
not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub with
friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
platforms in question).
I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever someone
points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
no
control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics, Religion
and
War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new product
from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
mockery just makes no sense.
Ted
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true. Unlike
>you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years. I've
>been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
built
>many PCs
>
>I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but that's
>where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
>a major PITA to deal with.
>
>There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all the
>stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple. Some
>recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced at
>CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like the
>Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
>MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>
>I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. It's
>always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
>the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I don't
>know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
problem
>free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>
>I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
1994!
> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it cost???
>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
tinker
>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
folks.
> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>
>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was impressed
>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
The
>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest. My
>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>to arms challenge.
>
>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is better
>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a smaller
>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
can
>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you rip
>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>
>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>when your going to bash something.
>
>James
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>
>>what we all see.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>
>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>> with
>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>> than
>>>>itunes..
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>are
>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
third
>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. Only
>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>
>>> average
>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>> Again,
>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>
>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>> better
>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>
>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>
>>> copied
>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
aqua
>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>off
>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
for
>>> years.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
The
>>>>
>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>
>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>stop
>>>>with
>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>
>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>
>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a koolaid
>>>>
>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have earned
>>>>
>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>
>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>
>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>>>
>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>
>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
it
>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>it's
>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>my
>>>>
>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>
>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
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Mon, 04 December 2006 13:57 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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be a success. I have to say for the
>>
>>>>average
>>>>guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>Again,
>>>>it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>
>>>>Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>
>
>>>>better
>>>>than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>
>>>>One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>
>>>>copied
>>>>the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>
> aqua
>
>>>>musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>>
>>off
>>
>>>>of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
>
> for
>
>>>>years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>
>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the phone...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>
> The
>
>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>
>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>
>>stop
>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the propaganda.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>>
>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>
>>>>>>>claim
>>>>>>>to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a koolaid
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have earned
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>they provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>
>>>>>>>>judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>
>>>>>>>>phones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>
> it
>
>>>>be
>>>>
>>>>>>>>compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>
>>it's
>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>>>>>>keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>>
>>my
>>
>>>>>>>>open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon digital
>>>>>
>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>
> Psion
>
>>>>>>>>PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool little
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a lot
>>>>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>>>>eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>>>>>could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now. None
>>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>
>>has
>>
>>>>>>>>appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>koolaid,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James,
>>>>>>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>
>>>>is
>>>>
>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>
> MS
>
>>>>applications
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>
>>you
>>
>>>>>might
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>superior.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx.. It
>>
>>like
>>
>>>>>>>having
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>a:
>>>>>>>>>>>MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>Sprint TV
>>>>>>>>>>>Camera
>>>>>>>>>>>Recorder
>>>>>>>>>>>Cool keyboard
>>>>>>>>>>>Very fast Internet connection speeds..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>This thing is IS like carring around a laptop in my pocket.. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>For Pc user(Windows) is does not get any better than this..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Some video highlights:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6148642.html?part=rss&tag=2 547-1_3-0-20=news
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
>
> it
>
>>>>a
>>>>
>>>>>computer
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>More to come!
>>>>>>>
>>>
>I was pretty surprised to see all 3 of the daily papers here in Toronto
run the iPhone on the front page. Every comment was surprisingly gung ho.
FUD showed up with an unrelated article linking Jobs to stock manipulation.
I have a close engineer friend at RIM who's been there for 15 years (at least).
RIM's office is an hour West of me. I know that there is much disappointment
that
the cooperative plans for an "AppleBerry" did not materialize.
Ted
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments_opinion/12 253/
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.macrumors.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11 Jan 2007 09:29:55 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I checked it out. And if were a Mac user, I would pick it over the Treo
>Wx,
>>>since I'm more of a Windows guy, the Treo 700 WX is it for me..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yes, the Treo and the BB are both vary cool products. No Kool-Aid here.
>>>
>>>>It's kind of hard to grasp the capabilities of the iPhone with out watching
>>>>the keynote video in it's entirety. Once again, check it out.
>>>>
>>>>http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>James,
>>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows) is
>just
>>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all MS applications
>>>>>and other Windows apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>www.treo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail, you
>might
>>>>>>want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are superior.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76753 is a reply to message #76736] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 15:59 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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hem everyday since
>>
>> 1994!
>>
>>>I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
>>>same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
>>>have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it cost???
>>>The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
>>>problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
>>
>> tinker
>>
>>>and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>
>> folks.
>>
>>>Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>
>>>My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
impressed
>>>with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
>>>can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>
>> The
>>
>>>old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
My
>>>windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>to arms challenge.
>>>
>>>I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
better
>>>and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>>it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
smaller
>>>sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>
>> can
>>
>>>create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>>It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
rip
>>>on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>
>>>Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
>>>always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>when your going to bash something.
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>
>>>>what we all see.
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76754 is a reply to message #76753] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 15:21 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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;>>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>>>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>>>>
>>>>>than
>>>>>
>>>>>>itunes..
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
>>>
>>>are
>>>
>>>>>perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>
>> third
>>
>>>>>party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
Only
>>>>>time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>>>
>>>>>average
>>>>>guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>>>>Again,
>>>>>it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>
>>
>>>>>better
>>>>>than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>
>>>>>One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>>
>>>>>copied
>>>>>the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>
>> aqua
>>
>>>>>musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
>>>
>>>off
>>>
>>>>>of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
>>
>> for
>>
>>>>>years.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the phone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>
>> The
>>
>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>
>>>stop
>>>
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>
>>>>>>>>claim
>>>>>>>>to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
at
>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
UI,
>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a koolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76755 is a reply to message #76754] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 16:31 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>
>>>>>and
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have earned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>they provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>>>
>>>>>>>>>phones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>>be
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>
>>>it's
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
a
>>>>>>>>>keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus all
>>>
>>>my
>>>
>>>>>>>>>open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those times
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon digital
>>>>>>
>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use a
>>
>> Psion
>>
>>>>>>>>>PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's a
lot
>>>>>
>>>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one if
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>>>>>>could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
None
>>>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>
>>>has
>>>
>>>>>>>>>appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>>>>>>>>>koolaid,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>James,
>>>>>>>>>>Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>
>>>>>is
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>just
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>
>> MS
>>
>>>>>applications
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail
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Mon, 04 December 2006 17:20 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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me to mature, and quite a bit of
>>third
>>>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate.
>Only
>>>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for
the
>>>
>>>>> average
>>>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>
>>>>> Again,
>>>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>
>>>>> better
>>>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>>>
>>>>> copied
>>>>> the itunes interface, Aqua theme/look, even the Itunes logo with the
>>aqua
>>>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant
rip
>>>off
>>>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it
>>for
>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?).
>>The
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>>>
>>>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
>>>stop
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because
we're
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>>>
>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is
at
>>>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the
UI,
>>>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
koolaid
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
earned
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the features
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
for
>>>
>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>it
>>>>> be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>it's
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>a
>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76777 is a reply to message #76776] |
Mon, 04 December 2006 23:44 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>More and better pictures:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-apple-iphone/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod? Is
>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>More to come!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>"simmo" <simmo@bigfoot.com.au> wrote:
>
>Hey Al, I had this problem a couple of years ago with 3 EDS
>cards on my G4 and got some great advice through this NG.
>The PCI slots in your Mac may not run in order - on mine the 1st slot is
>card C (#3), the second slot is card A (#1) and the 3rd slot is card B (#2)
>- this is if you count from the AGP / video card slot end.
>The order of the 10 pin timing cables is not important, but the
>data cables must go output card A to input card B, output B to input C,
output
>C to intput A for it all to work.
>Hope this helps,
>simmo
Hey simmo,
Thanks for that input. It turns out that the cards were not hooked up in
the proper sequence, but my sequence does not match your configuration. My
machine is the AGP graphics G4 500 mhz and my sequence runs (from the AGP
video card) 1=card A, 2=card C and 3=card B - different from yours which
you said was (3,1,2) mine runs (1,3,2). don't quite get why they make em
different but at least I,ve now got it working thanks to all of your help!!
This NG does rock!
At any rate, I just wanted to configure this 3 card system on my G4-500 and
get it all working together before I move Paris to a newer Mac I just purchased.
I got a 1.25 GHZ MDD G4 single processor because that is the last & fastest
machine they made that boots 9.2, and not needing the dual processors for
Paris it made sense to get the single processor machine as it runs quiter
also (which was again some very helpful advice from this NG)
So thanks again all!
Al
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CoreyIf you can ,get the student discounted version. I paid $90 for xp pro and
dont see any difference. came with sp 2. all the online updates have been
downloading. I dont think there is any difference except the price.unless im
missing something.I didnt have to jump through any hoops either.
"Uptown Jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Howdy.
>
> I need to buy a copy of XP, and the OEM version is nicely inexpensive.
> Does
> Microsoft slap any weird penalties on the home user for buying an OEM
> version? Less customer support or something?
>
> Thanks.
> Jimmy
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> I need to buy a copy of XP, and the OEM version is nicely inexpensive. Does
> Microsoft slap any weird penalties on the home user for buying an OEM
> version? Less customer support or something?
The OEM version just comes in a plain brown wrapper with no docs. I
bought my copy of XP Pro at a Mac reseller for $150...
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.comHey Ted, the weather has been great!! here in Motown.. Tommorow high 48 degrees..
Thanks for keeping me posted on the project.. Take care..
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Fair enough.
>
>Expectations play a big role in our response to
>disappointments. I guess my expectations have been (are) low.
>(Though one platform couldn't meet them and the other has exceeded them).
>
>What's the weather like in Detroit? We're sunny and 47 F here tomorrow.
>Sorry my Sister in Law and brother haven't hooked up with you guys
>yet. They hit a snag in production and the final vox still are not Tracked...
>
>Peace,
>
>Ted
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ted and others,
>>
>>I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>out
>>so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>
>>Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>(Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
OS-X(all
>>versions).
>>
>>He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>computers.
>>
>>So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>let them get away with such.
>>
>>I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>koolaid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>earned
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
features
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my
final
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone,
>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy
>for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that
>>>it
>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
>>>>it's
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and
>>a
>>>>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>>>>> applications (video, audio, animation, and graphics apps, plus
>all
>>>>my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> open source office, web and email apps). Which means for those
>times
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when I need a computer with me, I take my PowerBook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I need a camera, I want a real camera, currently a Canon
digital
>>>>>>>SLR.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I can get by with something small that I can type on, I use
>a
>>>Psion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PDA (like a mini-laptop). Also works as a voice recorder. Cool
>little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> box but long discontinued.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm resisting the all-in-one device. What if it fails? That's
a
>>lot
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> eggs in one basket. But I can see the appeal of the all-in-one
>if
>>>>it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could really cover what I need. None of them quite do that now.
>>None
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for people who have different needs, each of the clunky phones
>>>>has
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> appealing features. And for those people, it's not a matter of
>
>>>>>>>>>> koolaid,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's a matter of using what works for them. What covers their
needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Choice is good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you are "drinking the Apple Kool-aid" from Mr Jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Iphone is cool, but not revolutionary. My Treo 700Wx (Windows)
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> a s cool and Superior AND is very comaptible with my PC and all
>>>MS
>>>>>> applications
>>>>>>>>>>> and other Windows apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.treo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here the Keynote video demo that explains the iPhone in detail,
>>>>you
>>>>>>>might
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to watch it. The features, design and user interface are
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> superior.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very cool..But, I'm still gleaming over my new Treo 700wx..
>It
>>>>like
>>>>>>>>> having
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP3player
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ms word,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Excel,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerpoint,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Outlook 2003,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Media Player 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>&
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We were setting up a tech run for a new 10 week series I'm starting to
shoot, (record location audio), and set up a new Macbook loaded with Pro
Tools V7.0, (OSX 10.4), I think.
Every time we went to open PT, it crashed requiring a reboot...who knows
why...probably version conflicts...dunno.
I use Macs on a fairly regular basis, and if you could see my PC desktop,
you would see Rocket Dock displayed prominently at the bottom ala
Mac....(btw, I do own a Mac, just don't use it very often.)
--
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www.lendanear-sound.com
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45a6b2f0$1@linux...
>
> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
> Unlike
> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
> I've
> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
> built
> many PCs
>
> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating
> systems.
> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
> that's
> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines are
> a major PITA to deal with.
>
> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all the
> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
> Some
> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced at
> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like the
> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may be
> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>
> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have
> mention
> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here. It's
> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I think
> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
> don't
> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
> problem
> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally
> speaking,
> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>
> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
> 1994!
> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use the
> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but you
> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
> cost???
> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all the
> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love to
> tinker
> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
> folks.
> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>
> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
> impressed
> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My thing
> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
> The
> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest. My
> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
> to arms challenge.
>
> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
> better
> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out
> completely.
> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
> smaller
> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
> can
> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more
> features
> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you rip
> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>
> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products. It's
> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
> when your going to bash something.
>
> James
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>
>>what we all see.
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The Treo 700wx does all those things: With a touch screen to boot.
>>>>
>>>>And while the Iphone syncs perfectly with itunes, the Treo 700 wx syncs
>>> with
>>>>Win Media player (with Play for sure technology) which is wayyy bettter
>>> than
>>>>itunes..
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not knocking the Treo or the BB. I think for a windows user they
> are
>>> perfect. Those products have had time to mature, and quite a bit of
>>> third
>>> party development. The iPhone looks pretty slick out of the gate. Only
>>> time will tell if the iPhone will be a success. I have to say for the
>
>>> average
>>> guy the price is steep IMO, but not for someone with all the needs.
>>> Again,
>>> it should be noted, the iPhone is PC compatible.
>>>
>>> Well I'm not sure what you mean about the Plays for sure thing being
>>> better
>>> than iTunes, but if your in to MS DRM, cool!
>>>
>>> One thing I'll point out about Windows Media Player, is that they have
>
>>> copied
>>> the
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Tue, 05 December 2006 12:34 |
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>>> aqua
>>> musical note and the CD. It's all hard to not notice MS's blatant rip
> off
>>> of Apple design and innovation, just look at Vista. They been at it for
>>> years.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> Jamie, it's Kool-aid to actually believe that Apple has AGAIN (Lol!!)
>>>>Re-invented
>>>>>> the phone...
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, it's a phone/media player/PDA/camera (what did I leave out?). The
>>>>
>>>>>"reinvention" really has to do with the finger-touch-screen interface,
>>>
>>>>>right? So we'll see if it lives up to the hype when it ships.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Man, that guy (Mr Jobs) does not quit with his BS.. Please Mr Jobs
> stop
>>>>with
>>>>>> the propaganda.
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh. It's a good thing you're immune to hyped advertising because we're
>>>>
>>>>>surrounded by it from all directions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Next week, if Apple comes out with a new version of Logic, they'll
>
>>>>>> claim
>>>>>> to ahve Re-Invented the DAW..
>>>>>
>>>>>They can claim whatever they want, as long as the next version is at
>>>>>least as solid as the current version, further streamlined in the UI,
>>>>>and no less capable. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Liking a product from a particular company isn't necessarily a
>>>>>>> koolaid
>>>>
>>>>>>> proposition. Sometimes engineers earn their fans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, it looks like Apple's engineers have done something
>>>>>>> different from other options, with some unique interactive features
>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UI implementations that may well be useful to a lot of people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just as Palm and Blackberry have engineered products that have
>>>>>>> earned
>>>>
>>>>>>> the loyalty and praise of people who have found they need the
>>>>>>> features
>>>>
>>>>>>> they provide.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can speculate before the iPhone ships but I'll withhold my final
>>>
>>>>>>> judgment until it's available to try.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having said that, my first impression of all three, the iPhone, the
>>>
>>>>>>> Treo, the Blackberry, is that they ALL seem too big and clumsy for
>
>>>>>>> phones.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, all I want from my phone is that it be a phone, and that it
>>> be
>>>>
>>>>>>> compact and pocketable. My little fliptop LG does the trick. That
> it's
>>>>a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> speakerphone is a bonus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I want a computer, I want something with a real screen and a
>>>>>>> keyboard I can really type on, that runs my goto productivity
>>>>>>> applications (video, audio
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it a phone Is it a PDA? is it a movie playing iPod?
Is
>> it
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running Mac OSX???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meet the Beatles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Live blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tuaw.com/2007/01/09/macworld-2007-keynote-liveblo g/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pictures of the iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.macrumorslive.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More to come!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hi again Al,
Great to hear that you've got the 3 EDS cards running on your G4. I've heard
that there's quite a bit of variation in various
G4 Mac models, and so some trial and error stuff is necessary.
Mine's an 833Mhz, but I've just bought a single-processor
mirror door 1.25Mhz and I hope to install PARIS soon; hopefully it will run
even better.
I would love to hear your install notes if you are doing this sometime soon.
Cheers, simmo.
I would love
"Al Corey" <alcorey@cox.net> wrote:
>
>"simmo" <simmo@bigfoot.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Al, I had this problem a couple of years ago with 3 EDS
>>cards on my G4 and got some great advice through this NG.
>>The PCI slots in your Mac may not run in order - on mine the 1st slot is
>>card C (#3), the second slot is card A (#1) and the 3rd slot is card B
(#2)
>>- this is if you count from the AGP / video card slot end.
>>The order of the 10 pin timing cables is not important, but the
>>data cables must go output card A to input card B, output B to input C,
>output
>>C to intput A for it all to work.
>>Hope this helps,
>>simmo
>
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gt;Hey simmo,
>Thanks for that input. It turns out that the cards were not hooked up in
>the proper sequence, but my sequence does not match your configuration.
My
>machine is the AGP graphics G4 500 mhz and my sequence runs (from the AGP
>video card) 1=card A, 2=card C and 3=card B - different from yours which
>you said was (3,1,2) mine runs (1,3,2). don't quite get why they make em
>different but at least I,ve now got it working thanks to all of your help!!
>This NG does rock!
>At any rate, I just wanted to configure this 3 card system on my G4-500
and
>get it all working together before I move Paris to a newer Mac I just purchased.
>I got a 1.25 GHZ MDD G4 single processor because that is the last & fastest
>machine they made that boots 9.2, and not needing the dual processors for
>Paris it made sense to get the single processor machine as it runs quiter
>also (which was again some very helpful advice from this NG)
>So thanks again all!
>
>Al CoreyHere's the correct link on the G5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLujLtgBJC0&mode=related& amp;search
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont I love ya man, but I gotta call you out on this one. The G4 you
work
>on is a 867Mhz right? That machine is from 2001! That's a six year old
>machine your talking about being slow!!!! Check it out at www.apple-history.com
>
>You conveniently remember things the way you want to. When Apple announced
>that they had the fastest personal computer on the planet, they did. That
>was the truth, that's the fact, if it wasn't, Intel, AMD, Dell, Gateway,
>HP, and every other other PC manufacture would have sued Apple and won!!!!!
> Now might be a good time for you to file a suit against Apple if you think
>they misrepresented a product they sold you. However, I think you would
>find that claim would be frivolous. Computer processors through out history
>have quickly leapfrogged each other in processing power. For a time the
>were the fastest. The testing was done independently. The Mac bashing
PC
>zealots spread the lie that the tests were fixed.
>
>The G4 was a good processor, it was noted in the industry for being a work
>horse. The G4 was fast in it's time, in computer years, that was a long
>time ago. Your still complaining about it, and calling Steve Jobs a lier.
> Of corse every company uses marketing spin, Jobs doesn't lie. And at least
>Apple doesn't steal the technology and call it their own. Once again the
>G4 had a different architecture than the Pentium chips. The G4 had 8 data
>pipelines going in and out of the chip. The P4 had 2. The G4 had way more
>cache on board than the P4 did, in some cases more than 4 times as much.
> The G4 would typically compete toe to toe with a P4 with twice the clock
>speed.
>
> Apple, AMD. IBM and Motorola, started calling Intel out on "The MHz Myth".
> Clock speed no longer was the only determining factor in computing speed,
>system and processor architecture ruled the day, thus AMD's equal to a P4
>XX GHz labeling on there processors. I still use my G4 1.25 MHz and I can
>tell you from experience, it is faster than my p4 2.4 and 2.8 prescott dual
>threaded with faster bussing.
>
>So you say that the G5 were slow. In there time, they weren't and they're
>still not slow! But you constantly say they are, and call Steve Jobs a
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76917 is a reply to message #76777] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 16:07 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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ed to Delphi automotive to develop a cooling system.
>> They had no way of putting the G5 in a laptop. So they went with one of
>> Apples contingency plans they had been working on for five years, Intel!
>> Intel had a new generation of processors coming out, that were faster,
> cooler
>> and they also had a low power consuming mobile processors. It was a no
> brainer,
>> win, win deal. Intel could deliver. I think it was also a message to MS
>> to keep working with Apple on MS Office development for the Mac.
>>
>> You have to bash the Mac every chance you get. You have taken things personally.
>> Your venom for Steve Jobs is unbelievable. I think you need to be honest
>> about things. How many new Mac computers have you personally bought? Your
>> still not over Logic, and even though you don't use logic you rip on it
> every
>> chance you get. It's the same old PC zealot stuff, Logic sucks and it's
>> all done. Apple's going out of business any minute now, try again!
>>
>> In the past, some big organizations did some studied on cost of operation.
>> Boeing, Hues Aircraft, the US Navy and others. What they found was they
>> needed a minimum of 6 people for every 100 PCs to maintain them. They only
>> needed 0 to one person to maintain 100 Macs. The cost difference was significant.
>> The truth is Mac users don't really need IT guys like the PC world does.
>> You IT guys know it and you hate that.
>>
>> So lets tell some truth. Your a Microsoft certified IT guy, right? You
>> have taken quite a few Microsoft training classes, right? And you make
> your
>> living with Microsoft products and Microsoft certification, right? The
> real
>> truth is Apple computers don't need IT Guys to maintain them. Apple computers
>> are a perceived threat to It guys, that's why you guys all have so much
> venom
>> for anything Apple. It's not that Apple sucks, it's that you guys all hate
>> any thing Apple. Why don't you just admit it?
>>
>> You said or at least insinuated that Windows is a standard, but anything
>> Mac is not. In many cases Apple has created the standard and MS just copies
>> it. It's all just typical Mac bashing PC zealot stuff. It's down right
>> insulting to a Mac user to say that were drinking the Steve Jobs Kool-Aid.
>> The insinuation is that we are all stupid people that are gullible enough
>> to believe a bunch of lies. That we use an inferior product. Like I say
>> your welcome to sue Apple any time your ready to back up your BS. If you
>> were honest about it all, you be speaking up about MS's behavior instead
>> of giving THEM the free pass! Dude, to rip on Apple or Steve Jobs, and
> in
>> effect putting down Mac users every chance you get is just plain lame.
>>
>> Apple doesn't suck, just admit it.
>>
>>
>> By the way, My original post had noting to do with Mac vs. PC. I wasn't
>> trying to say this product is better than yours. I was just saying check
>> it out, it's cool!
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Ted and others,
>>>
>>> I think the reason(s) why the mention of Steve Jobs and Keynotes brings
>> out
>>> so much venom, as you say, is because of the both the past and even current
>>> lies and propaganda that spews from his mouth..
>>>
>>> Statements like : Re-invent and Faster Personal Computer ever in my opinion
>>> is just plain wrong. I know too many had working people who believed His
>>> (Jobs) hype. Only to be sorely disa pointed when they found out that the
>>> Cpu test were rigged, and their Mac did "crash" on both OS8,9 and even
> OS-X(all
>>> versions).
>>>
>>> He (Jobs) usually mocks at windows user and Microsoft when he starts his
>>> keynote.(read: Dumb) When 90 percent of this world are using Windows based
>>> computers.
>>>
>>> So, the venom is actually corrections to the lies Mr Jobs spews. When Mac
>>> users come and reguritate Mr Jobs lies, most Windows users will not just
>>> let them get away with such.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything wrong with setting the record straight.
>>> P.S.
>>> The Mac Pro is currently thee fastest Personal Computer on the market..
>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> I have never entered into any computer platform discussion pro or con
>>>> in this newsgroup. I have my own preferences having worked on both, but
>>> I'm
>>>> not pushing my views on anyone else, except over beers at the local pub
>>> with
>>>> friends who are ready, willing and able. (As an aside, they are 1. Always
>>>> vehemont, and 2. Without any actual real world experience on one of the
>>>> platforms in question).
>>>>
>>>> I have to say that I am amazed by the venom that spews whenever
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| Re: Getting old sorta' sucks......plus some DAW discoveries [message #76918 is a reply to message #76778] |
Sun, 10 December 2006 16:08 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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someone
>>>> points to something Mac. It seems irrational to me. As if Steve Jobs personally
>>>> injured some on this group. Why do we worry so much about things we have
>>>> no
>>>> control over? If someone points out a new plug, or a new amp, or instrument,
>>>> things usually don't get personal. The recent donnybrook over Politics,
>>> Religion
>>>> and
>>>> War is regrettable but not surprising. But somebody pointing to a new
> product
>>> >from a computer co and getting sarcasm, disgust, resentment and
>>>> mockery just makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> Ted
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well Martin, you can call me a Mac zealot, but it's not exactly true.
>>> Unlike
>>>>> you, I use and own both PCs and Macs. I actually use my PCs on a regular
>>>>> basis. I've used PCs longer than I've used Macs, by about ten years.
>>> I've
>>>>> been a licensed and authorized computer dealer. I've bought, sold, and
>>>> built
>>>>> many PCs
>>>>>
>>>>> I think windows XP is a great improvement over MS's past operating systems.
>>>>> I wish there was a feature or two in Mac OSX that Windows XP has, but
>>> that's
>>>>> where it ends. I prefer Mac OSX to Windows because Windows machines
> are
>>>>> a major PITA to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many other reasons why I don't like MS, one of which is all
>> the
>>>>> stuff they have ripped off from Apple. It's funny when people say MS/PC
>>>>> stuff is great and anything Apple sucks, when MS stole it from Apple.
>>> Some
>>>>> recent examples are, Media player, Vista, and Zune. MS just announced
>>> at
>>>>> CES, that they are going to come out with set top boxes that are like
>> the
>>>>> Apple TV box. MS/Sony's will be round instead of square, but what color?
>>>>> Gloss white like the apple products! It's the same thing. Hey, may
>> be
>>>>> MS's branded products will be shit brown like the LG products. LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>> I mention new products to give people here a heads up here. I have mention
>>>>> all kinds of products including PC only products. It's the Mac bashing!
>>>>> You can't mention any thing Mac or Apple without some bashing here.
>
>> It's
>>>>> always the same guys. You have stated in the past that Mac OSX crashes.
>>>>> That the guys you work with have told you and you've see it. I've been
>>>>> using Mac OSX every day for over five years now with out a crash. I
> think
>>>>> the other Mac guys here would tell you pretty much the same thing. I
>> don't
>>>>> know why they would have so much problems, but OSX is for the most part
>>>> problem
>>>>> free for most users. To state other wise is not correct generally speaking,
>>>>> and sounds like typical mac bashing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've never had a virus on a Mac and I've been using them everyday since
>>>> 1994!
>>>>> I would say, most of the guys here that use PCs for audio, don't use
>> the
>>>>> same machine for the internet, to a Mac user that's crazy and laughable.
>>>>> A lot of people say that a Mac cost twice as much as a PC, yeah, but
>> you
>>>>> have to have two of them to safely do what a Mac does. So what's it
> cost???
>>>>> The logic is funny. Yes you can build a PC cheaper, but look at all
> the
>>>>> problems and the hassle. Mac are not perfect, ricks G4 800 is an example
>>>>> of a lemon, but it's not the norm. If you love Windows and you love
> to
>>>> tinker
>>>>> and build cheap machines, that's cool! Different strokes for different
>>>> folks.
>>>>> Just don't bash the Mac or the Mac users.
>>>>>
>>>>> My original post about the iPhone was just to say check it out. I was
>>> impressed
>>>>> with it's design and capabilities. It's slick! Of course the same guys
>>>>> that bash any thing Apple Posted replys, and it becomes, So what, My
> thing
>>>>> can do anything that can. My phone is better because it runs windows.
>>>> The
>>>>> old , my thing is bigger and better than your thing, pissing contest.
>>> My
>>>>> windows PC is better than your Mac. It wasn't a contest post, or a draw
>>>>> to arms challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't trying to tell anybody to go buy one. The reply was, mine is
>>> better
>>>>> and it doesn't get better because of Windows compatibility and software.
>>>>> I said check it out, because you don't know until you check it out completely.
>>>>> it is windows compatible. I stated the features, design and user interface
>>>>> are superior. It's not a big and bulky as it's competitors. It's a
>> smaller
>>>>> sleeker design with a 3.5 LCD. The UI is obviously more advanced, they
>>>> can
>>>>> create new user interfaces in software in to the future to add more features
>>>>> and software. It has better features like rich HTML web pages with zoom
>>>>> in, web pages look like web pages, landscape viewing, text to voice etc.
>>>>> It's best to go get an education on it and watch the video before you
>>> rip
>>>>> on it just because it's an Apple product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the video is a sales pitch! It's also a demo of the products.
> It's
>>>>> always a good thing to know what your talking about first hand, especially
>>>>> when your going to bash something.
>>>>>
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm, A "Zealot" calling the kettle black.
>>>>>> I hope you re-read some of your recent posts in a week or two and discover
>>>>>> what we all see.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45a5ca84$1@linux...
>>>>>>> &
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