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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55666 is a reply to message #55665] |
Wed, 13 July 2005 13:05   |
t.rossi
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>> I make a special effort to never leave the house with my rack left on
>since
>> reading your post about that. I would feel the same way as you do if I'd
>> had those expereiences.
>>
>> To a point, I agree that you usually get what you pay for. I have a
>Neumann
>> 103, and I would never even think of using anything else on vocals. It's
>> worth every penny. But, it comepletely sucks on accoustic guitar.
>>
>> The DP/4 was freakin expensive in its day, too. So, while a DP/2 is now
>> a killer deal, it was high end stuff at the time.
>>
>> I should qualify my enthusiasm for the C3000. I had to mod it slightly.
>> It comes with a built in pop filter, which is just a coating that is
>sprayed
>> on to the diaphragm. I peeled it off, and things opened up a lot.
>>
>> I live 30 minutes outside of Toronto, so I've got a much easier time
>returning
>> things that don't work or selling things I don't like. I just sold my
C1
>> and an MPX500 - good riddans to both. Anybody want to buy a PCM60?
>>
>> I feel that the gear industry takes advantage of people who are learning
>> by hyping gear as necessary for a great sound when older, cheaper gear
>will
>> do just or almost as well. A while back, I decided not to spend any more
>> money on gear unless I was 100% sure that the probelm was my gear and
not
>> how I was using it. My skills have improved immensly since then. I
>suspect
>> that you are actually past that and pushing beyond. We're probably just
>> at different stages.
>>
>> Having said all that, I would love to check out the compressors in a UAD1.
>> I just don't want to pay for them. :)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Hi Mike,
>> >
>> >Hi Mike,
>> >
>> >The Behringer units
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55667 is a reply to message #55657] |
Wed, 13 July 2005 13:08 |
Deej [3]
Messages: 181
Registered: June 2005
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I have used are as follows:
>> >
>> >.........whatever the 8 channel headphone unit was called back in
>> >1998-caught on fire.
>> >
>> >............whatever the single RU line mixer was called in 1999-sounded
>> so
>> >bad I gave it away (and probably have a Karma debt to pay for this, but
>> >hey........... the guy wanted it and I didn't charge him)
>> >
>> >The 8 channel fader thingie last month-the USB port was defective, but
>prior
>> >to it's demise, the combination of the Behringer driver and the defective
>> >port somehow managed to managed create some kind of evil code hit which
>> sent
>> >the RME drivers in my Cubase DAW into shock, requiring the drivers be
>> >removed, removal of the hardware, reloading of everything.
>> >
>> >The Ultramatch Pro seems to be OK and hopefully I've finally found
>something
>> >by Behringer that works.
>> >
>> >I have no problem using inexpensive gear. I've got inexpensive Rode,
>Oktava
>> >and Studio projects mics that sound great. I also have a pair of RNC's
>that
>> >are very useful. Overall though, I've found that with few exceptions,
I
>> tend
>> >to get what I pay for as far as $$$ vs quality goes.
>> >
>> >I've got some Chinese SE Electronics mics here on loan right now that
>sound
>> >absolutely great........but they're not really super inexpensive
>> >(unfortunately). The Gemini is definitely in the big leagues. The verdict
>> is
>> >out on the Titan. I'm liking it on some stuff, not so much on other
>stuff,
>> >but this is the case with lots of high-end mics as well. The build
>quality
>> >on these is not cheap at all. They are much less expensive than some
of
>> the
>> >mics that they are being compared to so the bang for the buck factor
is
>> >pretty substantial.
>> >
>> >Not a gear snob......just been bitten a few times by Behringer. I have
>also
>> >heard great things about the Behringer 8000 unit.
>> >
>> >My problem h
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55671 is a reply to message #55667] |
Wed, 13 July 2005 14:28 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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inputs, crainked the gain to 100%, and then claimed that the whole
>> >unit
>> >> was too noisy, among other things. In normal use for me, it has been
>> >perfect.
>> >> The mic pres sound really good - not all bright and tinny like Macky
>> or
>> >> Presonus pres, which I hate. The line inputs are so good that they
>> >actually
>> >> sound better with a guitar plugged directly into them than the DIs
we
>> had
>> >> on stage. The thing rocks.
>> >>
>> >> It's kind of funny, but I've found as I get better at this recording
>gig,
>> >> I'm less obsessed with gear than I used to be. Not that gear lust
>can't
>> >> be fun or lead to a better end product, but I used to "chase a sound"
>> >thinking
>> >> that it was the gear that was 100% responsible. It clearly isn't.
The
>> >choice
>> >> of mic placement, eq use, reverb type, and compression settings are
the
>> >main
>> >> drivers of good sound. It's not that the gear doesn't matter, but
I've
>> >found
>> >> that if you use your ears instead of reading price tags, you get way
>> >better
>> >> results for way less money.
>> >>
>> >> Having said that, I'm moving towards using external, analog compressors
>> >because
>> >> I'm just not satisfied with the DX stuff. But, I won't be buying any
>> >$2000
>> >> compressors or a UAD 1. The composer sounds awesome, and you can get
>> used
>> >> ones for $50. I've also heard that the old Alesis compressors can
>sound
>> >> really good if you replace the power supply with something that can
>> >actually
>> >> handle the unit.
>> >>
>> >> And, the DP4's "early reflections" algo sounds wonderful, too. I have
>> a
>> >> lexicon MPX1, but I hardly ever use it. The DP4 gets used on
>everything.
>> >>
>> >> The C3000 I bought 8 years ago is one of my favourite mics. It goes
>for
>> >> $150 used. Yes, it's a little noisy, and it needs more EQ than the
C1
>> to
>> >> work on acoustic guitar, but sounds 1000 times better than a C1 when
>you
>> >> know what to do with it.
>> >>
>> >> We are so lucky to live in a time when great stuff is dirt cheap.
Why
>> >fight
>> >> it?
>> >>
>> >> All the best,
>> >> Mike
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >> >I actually have had one out of 4 Behringer devices that I've used
over
>> >the
>> >> >years that worked correctly or was sonically worth using in the
>studio.
>> >> It
>> >> >is called an Ultramatch Pro and I'm using it as a D/A converter right
>> >now.
>> >> >It says it does about 33822876 things. I don't know about that, but
it
>> >> >definitely works as a D/A converter as long as it isn't locked to
my
>> >house
>> >> >clock. Luckily it's locked to the AES output of my Mytek converter
>which
>> >> is
>> >> >feeding clock to the rest of my studio so in this case, it's a happy
>> >> >accident. It doesn't do exactly what I want (I'd have to get two of
>them
>> >> to
>> >> >actually accomplish something done the *normal* way), but it's an
>> >acceptable
>> >> >kludge for the moment. Maybe you'll get lucky. I will say
>> >this........their
>> >> >tech support personnel are all very nice folks. I probably spoke to
>all
>> >> of
>> >> >them when my little fader control thingie went south and tried to
take
>> my
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55686 is a reply to message #55667] |
Wed, 13 July 2005 17:59 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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proved immensly since then. I
> suspect
>> that you are actually past that and pushing beyond. We're probably just
>> at different stages.
>>
>> Having said all that, I would love to check out the compressors in a
>> UAD1.
>> I just don't want to pay for them. :)
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>> >Hi Mike,
>> >
>> >Hi Mike,
>> >
>> >The Behringer units I have used are as follows:
>> >
>> >.........whatever the 8 channel headphone unit was called back in
>> >1998-caught on fire.
>> >
>> >............whatever the single RU line mixer was called in 1999-sounded
>> so
>> >bad I gave it away (and probably have a Karma debt to pay for this, but
>> >hey........... the guy wanted it and I didn't charge him)
>> >
>> >The 8 channel fader thingie last month-the USB port was defective, but
> prior
>> >to it's demise, the combination of the Behringer driver and the
>> >defective
>> >port somehow managed to managed create some kind of evil code hit which
>> sent
>> >the RME drivers in my Cubase DAW into shock, requiring the drivers be
>> >removed, removal of the hardware, reloading of everything.
>> >
>> >The Ultramatch Pro seems to be OK and hopefully I've finally found
> something
>> >by Behringer that works.
>> >
>> >I have no problem using inexpensive gear. I've got inexpensive Rode,
> Oktava
>> >and Studio projects mics that sound great. I also have a pair of RNC's
> that
>> >are very useful. Overall though, I've found that with few exceptions, I
>> tend
>> >to get what I pay for as far as $$$ vs quality goes.
>> >
>> >I've got some Chinese SE Electronics mics here on loan right now that
> sound
>> >absolutely great........but they're not really super inexpensive
>> >(unfortunately). The Gemini is definitely in the big leagues. The
>> >verdict
>> is
>> >out on the Titan. I'm liking it on some stuff, not so much on other
> stuff,
>> >but this is the case with lots of high-end mics as well. The build
> quality
>> >on these is not cheap at all. They are much less expensive than some of
>> the
>> >mics that they are being compared to so the bang for the buck factor is
>> >pretty substantial.
>> >
>> >Not a gear snob......just been bitten a few times by Behringer. I have
> also
>> >heard great things about the Behringer 8000 unit.
>> >
>> >My problem here is that I live in a cave in the wilderness and have to
>> >trudge 10 miles barefoote
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55704 is a reply to message #55682] |
Thu, 14 July 2005 02:15 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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eard good things about those for the money, and it's probably well
>suited in that you get a selection of good sounds from a company very experienced
>in the field, and it will be full of useful presets rather than having to
>mess with programming to get the sounds you want.
>
>Would probably be easier though if you could find an actual keyboard "all
>in one" solution though I guess.
what about one of those newer mini-Alesis thangs like the
Micron... do those sound any good for what he's talking about?
I noticed they cruise in around $399 street (new).
Neil"Darebin Community Legal Centre"
Always good to know where that is!
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:42edd40f$1@linux...
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>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>I vote for Northcote, because you said you can get a house
>there, and therefore have a slightly more proper recording
>environment.
Yeh, I'm fast settling on Northcote, which is a shame because it means no
beach, but things exactly like that are very relavant. If I get a house I
will have far better chance of getting away with some noise, far better chance
of getting some quiet, and far more space...
....I think this is starting to answer itself really. ;o)
>Plus that 2nd place looks like a good spot to get laid as a
>result of going to lol
Hehe, well yes, didn't I mention that in my rundown? Must have slipped my
mind... ;o)
Cheers,
Kim."justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote:
>"Darebin Community Legal Centre"
>
>Always good to know where that is!
>
;o) It was for sale I think. Not sure it's there any more... ;o)JV1010 + controller gives great bang for the buck, but is a used
Roland XP30 much more? You get more sounds and power and expansion
capability. Love mine (and I have them both!).
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55808 is a reply to message #55670] |
Thu, 14 July 2005 21:59 |
wmarkwilson
Messages: 114
Registered: July 2005
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e way you would
> think it would. Longer predelay times (time to first
> reflection) will actually make it seem like you are closer
> to the sound source in a larger room, and no predelay makes
> it seem like you are farther away from the source. This
> would of course have to be combined with appropriate level
> and EQ of the source signal and verb return to complete the
> illusion. Loud bright early reflections give the impression
> of being close to a hard surface. By altering the L/R
> balance of the ER's, you will make it sound like you are
> standing next to a surface on one side. As for the arrival
> time delay, there would actually be more delay between
> sources (proportionally) if you were close up rather than if
> you were farther away. The farther away from the stage you
> get, the arrival time curve flattens out making the time
> differences less noticeable. Your sound stage also narrows
> with distance.
>
> If you mixed dialog and FX for feature films, this stuff
> would become second nature, but it is not necessary for
> music IMHO. Sorry to make your life "simpler" ;-)
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > Thanks Dave,
> >
> > I do have 3 x discrete stereo reverbs, plus, I thought the Paris reverbs
> > were *true* stereo. So your thinking is more along the lines of the not
> > screwing around with the L/R early reflections? (your reply referred to
> > predealys but i think you may have meant ER's)
> >
> > Rolling off the HF of the return makes sense to me. I get your drift on
this
> > one........and also carving out the space with EQ, of course.
> >
> > I appreciate your feedback on this. The devil's always in the details,
but
> > Mr. Simplicity can *always* make things harder and more complicated
than
> > they need to be.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
> > news:43014e3c$1@linux...
> >
> >>OK, a few thoughts... below.
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >><snip>
> >>
> >>First, the ONLY time I would ever bother with detailed sound
> >>stage is if I were doing a live concert locked to video
> >>(which I do), and even then I would only bother with making
> >>sure that the sound source is panned to the picture
> >>location. The big problem with that is when you get a
> >>close-up shot the instrument should, in theory, become
> >>center panned
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| Re: just out of curiosity [message #55824 is a reply to message #55808] |
Fri, 15 July 2005 04:18 |
justcron
Messages: 330
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created for it is small.......around 30' wide. I was
trying
>>>>to get an intimate, realistic feeling to this as it was tracked live
in
>>>
>>>my
>>>
>>>>studio with 10 open mics.
>>>>
>>>>I'd be glad to e-mail it to those here who would be willing to critique
>>>
>>>it.
>>>
>>>>TIA for the enlightenment.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>i am looking into musicpro insurance http://www.musicproinsurance.com
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:430275a0$1@linux...
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> brandon, I had this problem as well.
> There is aguy who sends me a flyer all the time. he advertises in Mix Mag.
> His rates are not too bad, but there is some sort of 1000.00 dollar
> deductable.
> So if one say in channele Great river neve got ripped and that is all,
> you;d
> still be screwed. One good thing is that there is liablitly coverage, so
> if someone got hurt in your studio, you'd be covered in case of a law
> suit.
> I miss trust insurance companies so much though., it always seems that
> when
> you need to be covered, they find away around it. I'll get you his name if
> I can find the flyer.
> Let meknow what you find out too.
>
>
> "Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>I am having a hard time with my Insurance Agent getting insurance to cover
>
>>my studio
>>equipment. I am not actually running it as a business right now so I
>>wasn't
>
>>going to
>>insure it as such...problem is they don't have a policy that will cover
> over
>>$1000 on
>>electronics. I know it sounds outrageous to me too....
>>There is also no way to upgrade that policy to cover the dollar value
>>...$50,000..it's more like
>>$40,000 but I didn't think it would hurt to have over coverage for growth.
>>Of course that is when everything was brand new...nowadays it is probably
>
>>worth $15,000.
>>
>>Anyway...who are you guys using for this?
>>
>>I wonder if ASCAP has something available????
>>
>>Should I go ahead and insure it as a
>>business...benefits???non-benefits????
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>What I am looking for is to tame the low end on both guitar and bass.
>Compared to my fave ref CD's the nass and kick have way way too much low
>end on my BM-15s. (this is fast, 70's influence punk not big rich FLoyd
>or whatever)
>THis is stuff I am remixing for someone, If I had produced it, choice would
>have been made earlier that would not require this. That said, it does seem
>that straig
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