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e internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I think Logic
>>>>will
>>>>>> now improve.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs when your
>reference
>>>>>> is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old Mac. That's
>>>ridiculous!
>>>>>> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I think
the
>>>>current
>>>>>> state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would reveal a
>different
>>>>>> conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still prevalent
>in
>>>>many
>>>>>> studios. Logic will improve over time, as all DAWs do. I doubt Logic
>>>>will
>>>>>> ever be top dog, but so what. That position will be held by PT, and
>>>Steinberg
>>>>>> second for a long time to come. In the end, the best DAW is a vary
>>subjective
>>>>>> matter. To each his own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a lot of software out there to choose from, I'm glad we have
>>>>choices,
>>>>>> other wise we'd all sound the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do you like Symphony
>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect complement
to
>>>Logic,
>>>>>>> but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's ability to deliver
>>>>the
>>>>>>> driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>>>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars behind it.
>>
>>>I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>>> think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon. Logic will,
>>>and
>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> improved over time. Apple could make more money if they had a PC
>>version
>>>>>>>> again, but it doesn't much matter to Mac users and their are millions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> us. I think the biggest problem with Logic is the $999.00 price,
>>if
>>>>it
>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> $499.00, and continued to improve, a lot more people would be using
>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no perfect DAW, they all need work. Is Nuendo $1,500.00
>>better
>>>>>>>> than Logic? Before you answer that, maybe you should try the latest
>>>>version
>>>>>>>> of Logic on a new Mac with Symphony. Then I think you would really
>>>>know.
>>>>>>>> Logic 5.5 is a vary old version. It's all subjective, different
>strokes
>>>>>>>> for different fokes. Jamie and others here are examples of people
>>>that
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>> like Logic and are able to do serious work with Logic, so I don't
>>think
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> dyeing. Logic and Apple are only going to get better with time.
>
>>By
>>>>the
>>>>>>>> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together, like Vegas
>>>and
>>>>>> Acid.
>>>>>>>> Hey, it's always good to have choices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>>>>>>> I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic Audio should die off fi
>>they
>>>>>>>>> continue
>>>>>>>>> down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first approach. They will
>>die
>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of the industry..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are dominating the
>>>game
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that Apple is putting
>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>> of their cardsinto IPODS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish) type app
or
>>>more
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> Sony Vegas Pro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at the video market
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a dime on audio.
>>
>>>They
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an actual audio
>pro
>>>>as
>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program carrying the
>>>"pro"
>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills on any unsuspecting
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX, Sonar, and
>>>>>>>>>> Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of dual core support, still).
>>>>
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>> PT
>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I would actually
>>>>hate
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for the industry
>>>as
>>>>>> a whole.
>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but technology...
>>>>making
>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple cl
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72599 is a reply to message #72597] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 09:26 |
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t;an AMD dualcore 2.6 - 3 pci slots and 3 pcie slots - honkin' power supply
>>>- 7200 rpm SATA main system drive with a 3 removable SATA drive bay for
>>audio.
>>>2 Gigs of RAM.
>>>
>>>I know Paris can't make use of it....but should I be looking at dual processors?
>>>Would this send my budget through the roof?
>>>
>>>Any specific motherboard/processor recommendations?
>>>
>>>Someone want to point me to the ideal system for my budget and needs?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99I'll be reimbursing you ASAP...or as fast as it takes a drummer to learn
what a cheque is and how to send it
DOn
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4522b11e$1@linux...
> Cheque's in the mail... ;-) yah, Don's ok... for a drummer...
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>> I'm sure you could and you need to do this immediately!!! BTW, while
>> you've
>> been hanging in Banff, I've been taking your Canadian tech support calls,
>> you slacker!
>>
>> (which has also actually been rather nice, BTW)
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45229bc7@linux...
>>
>>>Hmmm... I wonder if I could insert HD on the Nuendo track that is
>>>inserted on the Paris track... ;-)
>>>
>>>David.
>>>Lamont said:
>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>> Windows? Thanks..
I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX,
MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX.
I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and
Psion.
I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during
pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator
package and a Mac EPROM.
I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and
hardware for some of those different platforms.
I'm writing this on Thunderbird, an open source email program, running
on OSX.
I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user. I seek to use and help foster good
tools and I value having choices in that pursuit. I can only speak for
myself, but let me shake out the cobwebs, Lamont, and see if I can
answer your question to some extent and add a little to what James
already said.
So, off the top of my head:
Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory
allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal
computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more
advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned
the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa,
stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness
to move past older designs gave them a technology lead, although the
early Mac was quickly eclipsed in some ways by the Commodore Amiga.
Hardware wise, Macs were overpriced IMO.
Microsoft sucked worse, for the most part, because they couldn't let go
of their entanglement with really old IBM decisions, more like Apple II
than Mac. They struggled to transition to a graphic user interface,
struggled to add decent color support, struggled with multimedia and all
while desperately trying to stay compatible all the way back to MSDOS.
The cost was a culture of bloat, inelegance, copycat design and rushed
bugginess that became the hallmark of Microsoft products.
However, Microsoft managed to beat Apple to preemptive multitasking and
dynamic memory allocation. Apple stagnated with failed development of
OS9 replacement technology, had to transition to the PowerPC processor
family, and all that gave Microsoft an opening to kludge their way past
MacOS, albeit in a very wobbly way, with Wi95 - just add more bailing
wire and ignore the blue screen of death.
Oh BTW, along the way Microsoft pushed out their partner IBM who ended
up with OS2, which began to dry on the vine. IBM is another big story
but I'll condense it into saying that they screwed things up by
standardizing on crappy hardware designs from the start; failing to see
the market potential for personal computers; choosing Microsoft as an OS
partner; and acting like a clueless monolithic typewriter company (not
unlike Commodore except bigger and thus with a carelessly larger market
impact). IBM also got into monopoly trouble which was another part of
Microsoft's huge opportunity to suck on a bigger time level than before.
BTW, what did Microsoft know about operating systems? Very little but
Microsoft bought some technology, nailed down the legalese, presented it
as their own tech, got the deal with the naive IBM, and that's a
an insight into Microsoft's business practices from then on.
The truest innovation from Microsoft, other than anti-competitive
behavior, was relentless marketing. They offered arguably the best
choice in unreliable, kludgy systems, for a time. And Microsoft did a
great job convincing people to buy into the notion that this is just the
way it is, and gee, we need those wobbly peecee things in our businesses
and homes. Microsoft was able to make people think that computers were
unreliable and kludgy and that's just normal.
It's not normal. It's a sign of software bloat caused by rapid
development of features on poor foundations without allowing time for
proper design and debugging.
Not content to compete on merits, Microsoft also sucked with flat out
illegal business practices, some of which they were finally tried and
convicted of, but they were saved from any real consequences for their
criminal activities by a change in government.
Fairly disgusted with both Apple and Microsoft on several levels,
including inability to innovate and inability to transcend OS problems
from the past, plus unethical business practices that were not
particularly great for consumers, I worked on a NeXT computer for a
while and always kept an Amiga workhorse or two around. Later I also put
BeOS on my old Wi98 box, wow, much better!
After spinning their wheels for years, Apple finally decided to buy
their way out of their predicament. Choosing between BeOS and NeXTSTEP,
they chose to buy out NeXT and gain a more modern operating system
foundation and hook back up with co-founder Steve, who had started NeXT
after being more or less kicked out of Apple.
I do disagree with the Apple decision to pull the rug out from under Mac
clone makers. I don't know everything behind it, or whether Apple's
future was really on the line, but I favor competition in general.
Anyway, when Apple built on NeXTSTEP to create a new MacOS, MacOSX, I
became interested. Logic was the first sequencer to support OSX.
OSX threw out most of the OS9 baggage. It started from a higher place
and built from there. Today it's quite solid. I do question a few
things, such as the imposing of extensions in file names, OS9 was better
on that point. But OSX is better on every other point, way, way better.
And OSX is arguably more elegant than the current incarnation of
MSWindows. Mac hardware prices have also come down significantly and now
it's all Intel FWIW.
As an aside, I think Apple went with file name extensions because of a
desire to be more compatible with MSWindows in (stupid, ancient) file
naming conventions. Meta data be damned.
BTW it really, really sucked what happened to BeOS. Both Apple and
Microsoft had a hand in that, but especially Microsoft who forbade
computer makers to offer BeOS as an option (yes, that's illegal).
Microsoft ended up paying a paltry few million in a lawsuit but it was
after BeOS had already been driven out of business, technology assets
sold to Palm.
Sordid business, this. Eventually open source will replace it all, probably.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameri
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72600 is a reply to message #72597] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 09:37 |
Jamie K
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tech.net> wrote:
>> Thanks James. Good Post... "They took a 90 million dollar charge
>> when Apple dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got
>> around to Apples needs when Motorola got around to Apples needs."
>> WOW!! Amazing..
>>
>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>> Windows? Thanks..
>>
>
> It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is.
> Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand
> up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it
> was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac
> OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then
> they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then
> they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was
> an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies.
>
>
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>
>
> People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That
> was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed because you need
> to manually allocate memory to each program, people would for get to
> do this and then blame the Mac. That is like not putting gas in
> your car, and then say that the car was defective when it stopped
> running. That was the draw back of Mac OS back then, and Win 95 had
> that one advantage because of the dynamically allocated memory.
>
> Mac OS was sleeker, more elegant, easier to use back in the 90s and
> still is to day. That's why Microsoft keeps trying to copy Apple.
>
> May be it's all just a right brain, left brain thing. Or may be it's
> that Microsoft creates software that is inferior, has bugs, has lots
> of problems, and it keeps you IT guys working, and that's why you
> love MS and hate Apple.
>
> James
>
>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think it's a rumor. I do think, IF the day comes that
>>> Microsoft drops
>> MS
>>> Office for the Mac it will happen but not right away. My bet is
>>> Apple
> has
>>> a version of OSX and some kind of open Office project that will
>>> run on
> a
>>> PC in their labs that Microsoft is well a where of. It's a cold
>>> war approach. It keeps everybody playing nice. (Where is
>>> Claris/Apple works?)
>>>
>>> Apple didn't jump to Intel on a whim, or over night, it was a
>>> five year
>> process.
>>> It was calculated, it was planned. It was a contingency plan,
>>> Apple got screwed around by Motorola for years. I sold StarMax
>>> systems back in the day, and I spoke to the top brass about
>>> OEMing the left over MOBOs. They told me that they were going to
>>> get even with Apple, they were mad as hell at Apple. They took
>>> a 90 million dollar charge when Apple dropped the
> cloning
>>> thing. For years, Motorola got around to Apples needs when
>>> Motorola got around to Apples needs.
>>>
>>> IBM started to treat Apple the same way in recent years. I think
>>> IBM
> found
>>> out about Apple's work with Intel. IBM opened their Fishkill
>>> Plant with big fanfare. There were a lot of press releases about
>>> the IBM/Apple G5, and how IBM built a new state of the art plant
>>> for this processor. Steve Jobs announced that with in a year
>>> they would be a 3GHZ with the G5, and stated that IBM said so. It
>>> never happened. Apple had looked at IBM's
>> road
>>> map, the G5 spec-ed out good. The problems that were supposed to
>>> be fixed in the second generation did not happen. Heat and
>>> power consumption were big issues, that's why G5's never made it
>>> in to a lap top. IBM could not deliver a faster, cooler, less
>>> power hungry processor. Apple had to do
>> something,
>>> or get left in the dust. I think the relationship also broke
>>> down. after all the IBM fanfare, they started to say publicly
>>> that Apple was only a
>> small
>>> part of their business and was not important to them.
>>>
>>> From what Steve Jobs said, Apple looked at Intel's road map as
>>> far as processor performance and it was clear to him that it was
>>> the best choice. He sees things that you and I don't get to
>>> see. Apples top hardware designer retired at that time, so having
>>> Intel help Apple with MOBO design was a win, win situation.
>>> Apple knows Intel is going to rock in to the future. I'm sure
>>> Apple is also working with AMD, but I think they signed an
>>> exclusive with Intel. When that's up, I think you'll see Apple
>>> AMD machines also. You may also see Apple IBM machines in the
>>> future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance.
>>>
>>> As long as MS plays nice with Apple I don't think you will see
>>> OSX on PC hardware, but again anything is possible. Apple makes
>>> too much money on hardware and they would lose hardware sales if
>>> they did this. Not a smart business plan for Apple. There
>>> would be too much cost to support all of the PC hardware out
>>> there. If they sold an OS version with out support
>> they
>>> might be able to make some money, but it would still hurt
>>> hardware sales. If they ever get their hard ware closer to the
>>> end user cost of PC hardware, it might be more possible. I don't
>>> think that will happen any time soon, besides they will never
>>> get anywhere near the cost to build your own PC. Besides, you can
>>> already hack the OSX and run it on a PC. I think it would just
>>> hurt Apple.
>>>
>>> What I'd like to see, is lower hardware prices from Apple, and
>>> the ability to run any Windows PC software on Mac OSX. That
>>> would be a lot better
> solution.
>>> Mac users really don't want the Windows viruses on our Macs!
>>> Apple is
>> a
>>> hardware and software company, I think they would like you to buy
>>> both
> from
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Although, if the gloves ever come off, and the average guy finds
>>> out the truth that Mac OSX is less expensive and easier to deal
>>> with and does the same things, Microsoft will have some serious
>>> competition on the computing home front.
>>>
>>> Mac OSX on a PC would be a bad thing for Microsoft, and MS would
>>> definitely try to stop it. Apple is doing fine, and I think
>>> that nobody really wants to poison the well they all drink from.
>>>
>>> That's my take on it.
>>>
>>> Any thing is possible, only time will tell.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> I dont know about the "Ain't going to happen. Let's take a
>>>> look. They dump the IMB-Motorola Processor(Thank God) for some
>>>> real power(Intel's).. That one event opened up "Pandora's Box)
>>>> into Microsoft all over again
>> :)
>>>> Thus, it was inevitable that running windows on a Mac would
>>>> soon follow
>>> and
>>>> it happened (fast) I might add..BootCamp and other hacked
>>>> versions..
>>>>
>>>> Being that there are more windows users in the world, how many
>>>> Ipods would you say were Windows version of IPods versus Mac
>>>> Ipods?? Itunes is the
>> prefered
>>>> media player on both Macs and Window PCs. I really do think
>>>> it's only a matter of time before we a cross-platform
>>> of
>>>> Logic.
>>>>
>>>> Question: James M or Jamie.. The big rumor is that Apple will
>>>> release
> a
>>> vrsion
>>>> of OS-x for any PC?? Is this true. If it is, wonderful.. Also,
>>>> that DEll and Hp are signed on to become OEM vendors.Offering
>>>> a user to either have Windows or OS-x as their prefered OS.???
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>> Oh great, now I'm going to have nightmares! ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> It will be interesting to see what refinements end up in
>>>>> future versions of Logic. I'm personally glad it's already
>>>>> come so far, and is now not only feature-rich but much more
>>>>> reliable. The hardware and OS it runs
>> on
>>>>> is plenty fast and reasonably elegant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo,
>>>>> Pro Tools
>> or
>>>>> is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not
>>>>> buy Logic. Apple will be OK without your money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform
>>>>> but the reality is that ain't gonna happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>> Hey Dedric! I have older versions of Logic, but I'm not
>>>>>> running Logic
>>>> at
>>>>>> this time. I have kept up with, to some degree, the
>>>>>> development of
>> logic.
>>>>>> I've been reading the Logic NG for some time, and a lot of
>>>>>> the bugs
>>> have
>>>>>> been fixed. There was a lot of mad Logic users for a
>>>>>> while, especially
>>>> when
>>>>>> they started to make changes to the interface. Some people
>>>>>> liked it
>>> the
>>>>>> way it was, hummmmm!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just been reading about Logic and Symphony. It looks
>>>>>> like a killer combination, but time will tell. From what
>>>>>> I gather, the drivers are
>>>> working
>>>>>> well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72603 is a reply to message #72599] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 10:50 |
justcron
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>> carrying the
>>> "pro"
>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills
>>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX,
>>>>>>>>>> Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of
>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still).
>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>> PT
>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I
>>>>>>>>>> would actually
>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for
>>>>>>>>>> the industry
>>> as
>>>>>> a whole.
>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but
>>>>>>>>>> technology...
>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button
>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux,
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better
>>>>>>>>>>> example of the level
>>> of
>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be
>>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it
> looks
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the
>>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this
>>> true?
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2
>>>>>>>>>>> _re storation
>HI Phil,
Phil Aiken wrote:
> Here are the specs of what I'm looking at, cut and pasted from pcsforeveryone.com
>
> Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz - 1066FSB - Dual-Core
> - VT - 4MB Cache
good
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> Intel Core 2 Duo Motherboard Intel DG965WHMKR - mainboard - ATX - Intel G965
> Express Chipset
use either the ASUS P5b deluxe or the Intel D975XBX
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> DDR2 Memory 2 x Crucial 1GB PC5300 667MHz DDR2
good
>
> PCI Express or Integrated Video (Desktop) Integrated Video (Included with
> Mainboard)
dont use intergrated video BAD idea.
Use either XFX Geoforce FX 6200 TC PCI-E or a XFX Geforce FX 7300 GT.
>
> ATX Chassis CoolerMaster WaveMaster ATX Chassis - No PS (Silver)
I dont believe these will fit the full length EDS cards.
Check out some of the case from Chenbro. Some of their tower and racks
will fit them fine.
>
> ATX Power Supply Antec TruePower 2.0 TPII-550 - power supply - 550 Watt
You also might want to check out the Thermalright 680watt
>
> Bay Adaptors AIC SATA 3-Bay Removable Rack
>
> 3.5" Drive(s) 1.44Mb 3.5" Floppy Drive Black
>
why?
> 5.25" Drive(s) Sony 16x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer
Sony? yuck :)
>
> SATA Hard Drives 80GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.9
Get a IDE OS drive don't waste your SATA ports on the OS. Using an IDE
drive will also work better for many back up progrmas also.
> 250GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
320 gig SATA11 16meg cache . The 16 meg cache and the SATAII will give
better performance.
>
> Operating System (Desktop x64) MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP HOME W/SP
Don't know what the (desktop x64) means. If it is XP then it is 32bit.
>
> Warranty 1 Year Parts and LIFETIME Labor Warranty
>
> Total is $1453.00
> Not sure if it will work with Paris, but would probably be pretty great with
> a native DAW.
>
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> "Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>> I just bought a used Dell Dimension 9100 for this purpose. It is the first
>> used computer I've ever purchased, but by the time Digi blesses a model
> it
>> is discontinued. The one I got on eBay has a dual processor, decent (7200-160GB)
>> hard drive and 3 PCI and 4 PCIE slots. It cost me $400 plus shipping.
>>
>> Of course, I'll be adding a 360 GB music drive, 2 GB of RAM, a dual monitor
>> card, and a Firewire card. Still, the total will be under $1000.........
>>
>>
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>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Phil,
>>> I'm in the same boat as you. I've been looking at the Gigabyte K8NS ultra
>>> 939 which
>>> has 5 PCI 2.2 slots and which is know to work very well with PARIS,but
> there
>>> becoming hard to find. Ideally I'd like a Intel based board with 3 PCI
> 2.2
>>> slots
>>> and PCI-e slots. This will be my first PC so I'm flying blind. I'd like
>>> to run
>>> Pro Tools le,Ableton Live and Reasons as well as PARIS. I've been looking
>>> at
>>> ASUS P5B Motherboard,don't know if this is a good choice,but I'm going
> to
>>> some
>>> checking around. Let me know what you come up with. Don't like the idea
>> of
>>> being
>>> beta tester but I my have to.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> nappy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My main audio computer needs to be replaced....I am looking to put together
>>>> a new PC that will be for Paris and also a native platform that I will
>>> ultimately
>>>> migrate to - but not right away. (Leaning towards Samplitude) My Paris
>> system
>>>> is 2 cards, with 1 UAD card.
>>>>
>>>> I have a budget of about $1500.00. What I have come up with myself
> is
>>>> an AMD dualcore 2.6 - 3 pci slots and 3 pcie slots - honkin' power supply
>>>> - 7200 rpm SATA main system drive with a 3 removable SATA drive bay for
>>> audio.
>>>> 2 Gigs of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> I know Paris can't make use of it....but should I be looking at dual processors?
>>>> Would this send my budget through the roof?
>>>>
>>>> Any specific motherboard/processor recommendations?
>>>>
>>>> Someone want to point me to the ideal system for my budget and needs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comThanks for the great input Chris!!!!!
None of your suggestions are available options on the site I was on...(www.pcsforeveryone.com)....it
is a configuration deal similar to the way your site is set up.
I hadn't thought about the case though...I will definitely need one large
enough.
I would love to go with one of your systems, actually - I had already checked
them out before you had posted here. I'm on the fence as to how much money
I can justify for this purchase.....
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Phil,
>
>
>
>Phil Aiken wrote:
>> Here are the specs of what I'm looking at, cut and pasted from pcsforeveryone.com
>>
>> Intel Core 2 Duo Processor Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 2.40GHz - 1066FSB -
Dual-Core
>> - VT - 4MB Cache
>
>good
>
>>
>> Intel Core 2 Duo Motherboard Intel DG965WHMKR - mainboard - ATX - Intel
G965
>> Express Chipset
>
>use either the ASUS P5b deluxe or the Intel D975XBX
>>
>> DDR2 Memory 2 x Crucial 1GB PC5300 667MHz DDR2
>
>good
>
>>
>> PCI Express or Integrated Video (Desktop) Integrated Video (Include
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excelav
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>> Mainboard)
>
>dont use intergrated video BAD idea.
>Use either XFX Geoforce FX 6200 TC PCI-E or a XFX Geforce FX 7300 GT.
>
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>> ATX Chassis CoolerMaster WaveMaster ATX Chassis - No PS (Silver)
>
>I dont believe these will fit the full length EDS cards.
>Check out some of the case from Chenbro. Some of their tower and racks
>will fit them fine.
>
>
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>> ATX Power Supply Antec TruePower 2.0 TPII-550 - power supply - 550 Watt
>
>You also might want to check out the Thermalright 680watt
>
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>> Bay Adaptors AIC SATA 3-Bay Removable Rack
>>
>> 3.5" Drive(s) 1.44Mb 3.5" Floppy Drive Black
>>
>
>why?
>
>
>> 5.25" Drive(s) Sony 16x DVD+/-RW Dual Layer
>
>Sony? yuck :)
>>
>> SATA Hard Drives 80GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.9
>
>Get a IDE OS drive don't waste your SATA ports on the OS. Using an IDE
>drive will also work better for many back up progrmas also.
>
>> 250GB Serial ATA 7200 RPM - Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
>
>320 gig SATA11 16meg cache . The 16 meg cache and the SATAII will give
>better performance.
>
>>
>> Operating System (Desktop x64) MICROSOFT WINDOWS XP HOME W/SP
>Don't know what the (desktop x64) means. If it is XP then it is 32bit.
>
>>
>> Warranty 1 Year Parts and LIFETIME Labor Warranty
>
>>
>> Total is $1453.00
>> Not sure if it will work with Paris, but would probably be pretty great
with
>> a native DAW.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>>> I just bought a used Dell Dimension 9100 for this purpose. It is the
first
>>> used computer I've ever purchased, but by the time Digi blesses a model
>> it
>>> is discontinued. The one I got on eBay has a dual processor, decent
(7200-160GB)
>>> hard drive and 3 PCI and 4 PCIE slots. It cost me $400 plus shipping.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'll be adding a 360 GB music drive, 2 GB of RAM, a dual monitor
>>> card, and a Firewire card. Still, the total will be under $1000.........
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> Phil,
>>>> I'm in the same boat as you. I've been looking at the Gigabyte K8NS
ultra
>>>> 939 which
>>>> has 5 PCI 2.2 slots and which is know to work very well with PARIS,but
>> there
>>>> becoming hard to find. Ideally I'd like a Intel based board with 3 PCI
>> 2.2
>>>> slots
>>>> and PCI-e slots. This will be my first PC so I'm flying blind. I'd
like
>>>> to run
>>>> Pro Tools le,Ableton Live and Reasons as well as PARIS. I've been looking
>>>> at
>>>> ASUS P5B Motherboard,don't know if this is a good choice,but I'm going
>> to
>>>> some
>>>> checking around. Let me know what you come up with. Don't like the idea
>>> of
>>>> being
>>>> beta tester but I my have to.
>>>>
>>>> respect
>>>> nappy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My main audio computer needs to be replaced....I am looking to put
together
>>>>> a new PC that will be for Paris and also a native platform that I will
>>>> ultimately
>>>>> migrate to - but not right away. (Leaning towards Samplitude) My Paris
>>> system
>>>>> is 2 cards, with 1 UAD card.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a budget of about $1500.00. What I have come up with myself
>> is
>>>>> an AMD dualcore 2.6 - 3 pci slots and 3 pcie slots - honkin' power
supply
>>>>> - 7200 rpm SATA main system drive with a 3 removable SATA drive bay
for
>>>> audio.
>>>>> 2 Gigs of RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know Paris can't make use of it....but should I be looking at dual
processors?
>>>>> Would this send my budget through the roof?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any specific motherboard/processor recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone want to point me to the ideal system for my budget and needs?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comYay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color scheme.
Anyone ?
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe
>
>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color
scheme.
> Anyone ?
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---=_linux45230cf2--Thanks for the response James. Very Informative..I tto was around during those
earliy days of personal computing.
Although, I really liked OS9. :)
I think Aplle should not have stoped the Cloning. Man, people were finally
getting pysced about gettign a Mac..Then boommm..
Oh well..
Man, like I posted , I use both, and one XP is a speed demon even with a
modest to a cheap componet system. That alone, speaks volume.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Lamont said:
>>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>>> Windows? Thanks..
>
>I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX,
>MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX.
>I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and
>Psion.
>
>I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during
>pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator
>package and a Mac EPROM.
>
>I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and
>hardware for some of those different platforms.
>
>I'm writing this on Thunderbird, an open source email program, running
>on OSX.
>
>I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user. I seek to use and help foster good
>tools and I value having choices in that pursuit. I can only speak for
>myself, but let me shake out the cobwebs, Lamont, and see if I can
>answer your question to some extent and add a little to what James
>already said.
>
>So, off the top of my head:
>
>Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory
>allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal
>computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more
>advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned
>the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa,
>stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness
>to move past older designs gave them a technology lead, although the
>early Mac was quickly eclipsed in some ways by the Commodore Amiga.
>Hardware wise, Macs were overpriced IMO.
>
>Microsoft sucked worse, for the most part, because they couldn't let go
>of their entanglement with really old IBM decisions, more like Apple II
>than Mac. They struggled to transition to a graphic user interface,
>struggled to add decent color support, struggled with multimedia and all
>while desperately trying to stay compatible all the way back to MSDOS.
>The cost was a culture of bloat, inelegance, copycat design and rushed
>bugginess that became the hallmark of Microsoft products.
>
>However, Microsoft managed to beat Apple to preemptive multitasking and
>dynamic memory allocation. Apple stagnated with failed development of
>OS9 replacement technology, had to transition to the PowerPC processor
>family, and all that gave Microsoft an opening to kludge their way past
>MacOS, al
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Jamie K
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beit in a very wobbly way, with Wi95 - just add more bailing
>wire and ignore the blue screen of death.
>
>Oh BTW, along the way Microsoft pushed out their partner IBM who ended
>up with OS2, which began to dry on the vine. IBM is another big story
>but I'll condense it into saying that they screwed things up by
>standardizing on crappy hardware designs from the start; failing to see
>the market potential for personal computers; choosing Microsoft as an OS
>partner; and acting like a clueless monolithic typewriter company (not
>unlike Commodore except bigger and thus with a carelessly larger market
>impact). IBM also got into monopoly trouble which was another part of
>Microsoft's huge opportunity to suck on a bigger time level than before.
>
>BTW, what did Microsoft know about operating systems? Very little but
>Microsoft bought some technology, nailed down the legalese, presented it
>as their own tech, got the deal with the naive IBM, and that's a
>an insight into Microsoft's business practices from then on.
>
>The truest innovation from Microsoft, other than anti-competitive
>behavior, was relentless marketing. They offered arguably the best
>choice in unreliable, kludgy systems, for a time. And Microsoft did a
>great job convincing people to buy into the notion that this is just the
>way it is, and gee, we need those wobbly peecee things in our businesses
>and homes. Microsoft was able to make people think that computers were
>unreliable and kludgy and that's just normal.
>
>It's not normal. It's a sign of software bloat caused by rapid
>development of features on poor foundations without allowing time for
>proper design and debugging.
>
>Not content to compete on merits, Microsoft also sucked with flat out
>illegal business practices, some of which they were finally tried and
>convicted of, but they were saved from any real consequences for their
>criminal activities by a change in government.
>
>Fairly disgusted with both Apple and Microsoft on several levels,
>including inability to innovate and inability to transcend OS problems
>from the past, plus unethical business practices that were not
>particularly great for consumers, I worked on a NeXT computer for a
>while and always kept an Amiga workhorse or two around. Later I also put
>BeOS on my old Wi98 box, wow, much better!
>
>After spinning their wheels for years, Apple finally decided to buy
>their way out of their predicament. Choosing between BeOS and NeXTSTEP,
>they chose to buy out NeXT and gain a more modern operating system
>foundation and hook back up with co-founder Steve, who had started NeXT
>after being more or less kicked out of Apple.
>
>I do disagree with the Apple decision to pull the rug out from under Mac
>clone makers. I don't know everything behind it, or whether Apple's
>future was really on the line, but I favor competition in general.
>
>Anyway, when Apple built on NeXTSTEP to create a new MacOS, MacOSX, I
>became interested. Logic was the first sequencer to support OSX.
>
>OSX threw out most of the OS9 baggage. It started from a higher place
>and built from there. Today it's quite solid. I do question a few
>things, such as the imposing of extensions in file names, OS9 was better
>on that point. But OSX is better on every other point, way, way better.
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Mon, 18 September 2006 15:05 |
Tony Benson
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>And OSX is arguably more elegant than the current incarnation of
>MSWindows. Mac hardware prices have also come down significantly and now
>it's all Intel FWIW.
>
>As an aside, I think Apple went with file name extensions because of a
>desire to be more compatible with MSWindows in (stupid, ancient) file
>naming conventions. Meta data be damned.
>
>BTW it really, really sucked what happened to BeOS. Both Apple and
>Microsoft had a hand in that, but especially Microsoft who forbade
>computer makers to offer BeOS as an option (yes, that's illegal).
>Microsoft ended up paying a paltry few million in a lawsuit but it was
>after BeOS had already been driven out of business, technology assets
>sold to Palm.
>
>Sordid business, this. Eventually open source will replace it all, probably.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
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>James McCloskey wrote:
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Thanks James. Good Post... "They took a 90 million dollar charge
>>> when Apple dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got
>>> around to Apples needs when Motorola got around to Apples needs."
>>> WOW!! Amazing..
>>>
>>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>>> Windows? Thanks..
>>>
>>
>> It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is.
>> Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand
>> up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it
>> was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac
>> OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then
>> they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then
>> they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was
>> an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies.
>>
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>> People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That
>> was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed because you need
>> to manually allocate memory to each program, people would for get to
>> do this and then blame the Mac. That is like not putting gas in
>> your car, and then say that the car was defective when it stopped
>> running. That was the draw back of Mac OS back then, and Win 95 had
>> that one advantage because of the dynamically allocated memory.
>>
>> Mac OS was sleeker, more elegant, easier to use back in the 90s and
>> still is to day. That's why Microsoft keeps trying to copy Apple.
>>
>> May be it's all just a right brain, left brain thing. Or may be it's
>> that Microsoft creates software that is inferior, has bugs, has lots
>> of problems, and it keeps you IT guys working, and that's why you
>> love MS and hate Apple.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I think it's a rumor. I do think, IF the day comes that
>>>> Microsoft drops
>>> MS
>>>> Office for the Mac it will happen but not right away. My bet is
>>>> Apple
>> has
>>>> a version of OSX and some kind of open Office project that will
>>>> run on
>> a
>>>> PC in their labs that Microsoft is well a where of. It's a cold
>>>> war approach. It keeps everybody playing nice. (Where is
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torola got around to Apples needs when
>>>> Motorola got around to Apples needs.
>>>>
>>>> IBM started to treat Apple the same way in recent years. I think
>>>> IBM
>> found
>>>> out about Apple's work with Intel. IBM opened their Fishkill
>>>> Plant with big fanfare. There were a lot of press releases about
>>>> the IBM/Apple G5, and how IBM built a new state of the art plant
>>>> for this processor. Steve Jobs announced that with in a year
>>>> they would be a 3GHZ with the G5, and stated that IBM said so. It
>>>> never happened. Apple had looked at IBM's
>>> road
>>>> map, the G5 spec-ed out good. The problems that were supposed to
>>>> be fixed in the second generation did not happen. Heat and
>>>> power consumption were big issues, that's why G5's never made it
>>>> in to a lap top. IBM could not deliver a faster, cooler, less
>>>> power hungry processor. Apple had to do
>>> something,
>>>> or get left in the dust. I think the relationship also broke
>>>> down. after all the IBM fanfare, they started to say publicly
>>>> that Apple was only a
>>> small
>>>> part of their business and was not important to them.
>>>>
>>>> From what Steve Jobs said, Apple looked at Intel's road map as
>>>> far as processor performance and it was clear to him that it was
>>>> the best choice. He sees things that you and I don't get to
>>>> see. Apples top hardware designer retired at that time, so having
>>>> Intel help Apple with MOBO design was a win, win situation.
>>>> Apple knows Intel is going to rock in to the future. I'm sure
>>>> Apple is also working with AMD, but I think they signed an
>>>> exclusive with Intel. When that's up, I think you'll see Apple
>>>> AMD machines also. You may also see Apple IBM machines in the
>>>> future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance.
>>>>
>>>> As long as MS plays nice with Apple I don't think you will see
>>>> OSX on PC hardware, but again anything is possible. Apple makes
>>>> too much money on hardware and they would lose hardware sales if
>>>> they did this. Not a smart business plan for Apple. There
>>>> would be too much cost to support all of the PC hardware out
>>>> there. If they sold an OS version with out support
>>> they
>>>> might be able to make some money, but it would still hurt
>>>> hardware sales. If they ever get their hard ware closer to the
>>>> end user cost of PC hardware, it might be more possible. I don't
>>>> think that will happen any time soon, besides they will never
>>>> get anywhere near the cost to build your own PC. Besides, you can
>>>> already hack the OSX and run it on a PC. I think it would just
>>>> hurt Apple.
>>>>
>>>> What I'd like to see, is lower hardware prices from Apple, and
>>>> the ability to run any Windows PC software on Mac OSX. That
>>>> would be a lot better
>> solution.
>>>> Mac users really don't want the Windows viruses on our Macs!
>>>> Apple is
>>> a
>>>> hardware and software company, I think they would like you to buy
>>>> both
>> from
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Although, if the gloves ever come off, and the average guy finds
>>>> out the truth that Mac OSX is less expensive and easier to deal
>>>> with and does the same things, Microsoft will have some serious
>>>> competition on the computing home front.
>>>>
>>>> Mac OSX on a PC would be a bad thing for Microsoft, and MS would
>>>> definitely try to stop it. Apple is doing fine, and I think
>>>> that nobody really wants to poison the well they all drink from.
>>>>
>>>> That's my take on it.
>>>>
>>>> Any thing is possible, only time will tell.
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Jamie,
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont know about the "Ain't going to happen. Let's take a
>>>>> look. They dump the IMB-Motorola Processor(Thank God) for some
>>>>> real power(Intel's).. That one event opened up "Pandora's Box)
>>>>> into Microsoft all over again
>>> :)
>>>>> Thus, it was inevitable that running windows on a Mac would
>>>>> soon follow
>>>> and
>>>>> it happened (fast) I might add..BootCamp and other hacked
>>>>> versions..
>>>>>
>>>>> Being that there are more windows users in the world, how many
>>>>> Ipods would you say were Windows version of IPods versus Mac
>>>>> Ipods?? Itunes is the
>>> prefered
>>>>> media player on both Macs and Window PCs. I really do think
>>>>> it's only a matter of time before we a cross-platform
>>>> of
>>>>> Logic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question: James M or Jamie.. The big rumor is that Apple will
>>>>> release
>> a
>>>> vrsion
>>>>> of OS-x for any PC?? Is this true. If it is, wonderful.. Also,
>>>>> that DEll and Hp are signed on to become OEM vendors.Offering
>>>>> a user to either have Windows or OS-x as their prefered OS.???
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>>> Oh great, now I'm going to have nightmares! ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will be interesting to see what refinements end up in
>>>>>> future versions of Logic. I'm personally glad it's already
>>>>>> come so far, and is now not only feature-rich but much more
>>>>>> reliable. The hardware and OS it runs
>>> on
>>>>>> is plenty fast and reasonably elegant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo,
>>>>>> Pro Tools
>>> or
>>>>>> is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not
>>>>>> buy Logic. Apple will be OK without your money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform
>>>>>> but the reality is that ain't gonna happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Dedric! I have older versions of Logic, but I'm not
>>>>>>> running Logic
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> this time. I have kept up with, to some degree, the
>>>>>>> development of
>>> logic.
>>>>>>> I've been reading the Logic NG for some time, and a lot of
>>>>>>> the bugs
>>>> have
>>>>>>> been fixed. There was a lot of mad Logic users for a
>>>>>>> while, especially
>>>>> when
>>>>>>> they started to make changes to the interface. Some people
>>>>>>> liked it
>>>> the
>>>>>>> way it was, hummmmm!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've just been reading about Logic and Symphony. It looks
>>>>>>> like a killer combination, but time will tell. From what
>>>>>>> I gather, the drivers are
>>>>> working
>>>>>>> well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all
>>>>>>> turns out to
>>> be
>>>>> true.
>>>>>>> I think Logic is still a serious contender for DAW
>>>>>>> software. Logic
>>>> is
>>>>> still
>>>>>>> a good option for many, with it's PT and new third party
>>>>>>> hardware options, such as DSP cards. It took apple time to
>>>>>>> get the right people in place
>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I
>>>>>>> think Logic
>>>>> will
>>>>>>> now improve.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs
>>>>>>> when your
>> reference
>>>>>>> is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old
>>>>>>> Mac. That's
>>>> ridiculous!
>>>>>>> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I
>>>>>>> think the
>>>>> current
>>>>>>> state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would
>>>>>>> reveal a
>> different
>>>>>>> conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still
>>>>>>> prevalent
>> in
>>>>> many
>>>>>>> studios. Logic will improve over time, as all DAWs do. I
>>>>>>> doubt Logic
>>>>> will
>>>>>>> ever be top dog, but so what. That position will be held
>>>>>>> by PT, and
>>>> Steinberg
>>>>>>> second for a long time to come. In the end, the best DAW
>>>>>>> is a vary
>>> subjective
>>>>>>> matter. To each his own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a lot of software out there to choose from, I'm
>>>>>>> glad we have
>>>>> choices,
>>>>>>> other wise we'd all sound the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do
>>>>>>>> you like Symphony
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>> thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect
>>>>>>>> complement to
>>>> Logic,
>>>>>>>> but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's
>>>>>>>> ability to deliver
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James
>>>>>>>> McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars
>>>>>>>>> behind it.
>>>> I
>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon.
>>>>>>>>> Logic will,
>>>> and
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> improved over time. Apple could make more money if
>>>>>>>>> they had a PC
>>> version
>>>>>>>>> again, but it doesn't much matter to Mac users and
>>>>>>>>> their are millions
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> us. I think the biggest problem with Logic is the
>>>>>>>>> $999.00 price,
>>> if
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> $499.00, and continued to improve, a lot more people
>>>>>>>>> would be using
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no perfect DAW, they all need work. Is Nuendo
>>>>>>>>> $1,500.00
>>> better
>>>>>>>>> than Logic? Before you answer that, maybe you should
>>>>>>>>> try the latest
>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> of Logic on a new Mac with Symphony. Then I think you
>>>>>>>>> would really
>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>> Logic 5.5 is a vary old version. It's all subjective,
>>>>>>>>> different
>> strokes
>>>>>>>>> for different fokes. Jamie and others here are
>>>>>>>>> examples of people
>>>> that
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>> like Logic and are able to do serious work with Logic,
>>>>>>>>> so I don't
>>> think
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> dyeing. Logic and Apple are only going to get better
>>>>>>>>> with time.
>>
>>> By
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together,
>>>>>>>>> like Vegas
>>>> and
>>>>>>> Acid.
>>>>>>>>> Hey, it's always good to have choices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic
>>>>>>>>>> Audio should die off fi
>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> continue down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first
>>>>>>>>>> approach. They will
>>> die
>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of
>>>>>>>>>> the industry..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are
>>>>>>>>>> dominating the
>>>> game
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that
>>>>>>>>>> Apple is putting
>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>> of their cardsinto IPODS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish)
>>>>>>>>>> type app or
>>>> more
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> Sony Vegas Pro.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at
>>>>>>>>>>> the video market
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a
>>>>>>>>>>> dime on audio.
>>>> They
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an
>>>>>>>>>>> actual audio
>> pro
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program
>>>>>>>>>>> carrying the
>>>> "pro"
>>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills
>>>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting
>>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX,
>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of
>>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still).
>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>> PT
>>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I
>>>>>>>>>>> would actually
>>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for
>>>>>>>>>>> the industry
>>>> as
>>>>>>> a whole.
>>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but
>>>>>>>>>>> technology...
>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux,
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better
>>>>>>>>>>>> example of the level
>>>> of
>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be
>>>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it
>> looks
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this
>>>> true?
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2
>>>>>>>>>>>> _re storation
>>Ohh no, Paris (Vintage) color scheme is still Better looking than any other
DAW out there. Mr StCroix got it right.. :)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color
scheme.
> Anyone ?
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe
>>
>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99
>>
>People -- opinions, please...
My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe
getting a little o-l-d...
For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still
September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to
present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time
next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
Lights
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Mon, 18 September 2006 15:16 |
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again by this time
>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada...
>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far...
>
>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I
>think, sturdy but inflexible)...
>
>Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board
>somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)?
>
>Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done
>with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and
>mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day
>it is...
>
>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.
>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762I agree with LaMont -- that "sandy" vibe is easy on the eyes, and the
rest of the colors -- the turquoise numbers alone would have done it
for me...
-- like a 60's postcard from some Arizona motel -- everything's in
there but the palm trees... Yeah, SSC was a lot of different things
maybe, but he was an Artist, that's for sure...
-- mixing in my sunglasses again -- Chas.
On 4 Oct 2006 11:33:38 +1000, "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Ohh no, Paris (Vintage) color scheme is still Better looking than any other
>DAW out there. Mr StCroix got it right.. :)
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color
>scheme.
>> Anyone ?
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe
>>>
>>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99
>>>
>>Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours
from ECMM days gone by...
So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like some kind of
little watch type battery that I can find at the local Best Buy? Or
-- a more esoteric computer store type item?
Anyway -- five or six years on this box now -- I'd say I've gotten my
money's worth...
-- thanks for the help -- Chas.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0400, Chris Ludwig
<chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI Chas,
>
>Things that I would think of first off as possibly being the problem.
>
>1.BIOS battery is dieing or dead.
>
>2. Dire power supply
>
>3. dieing motherboard
>
>
>the top 2 will be easy to deal with and you would have to do them first
>before you know if #3 is whats happening.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>Chas. Duncan wrote:
>
>>People -- opinions, please...
>>
>>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe
>>getting a little o-l-d...
>>
>>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still
>>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to
>>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time
>>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
>>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
>>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada...
>>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far...
>>
>>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I
>>think, sturdy but inflexible)...
>>
>>Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board
>>somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)?
>>
>>Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done
>>with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and
>>mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day
>>it is...
>>
>>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.
>>
>>Check this
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=88105
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>No news on Abbey Road's or Chandler's sites yet.
>
>http://www.abbeyroad.co.uk/news.php?id=131
>
>http://www.chandlerlimited.com/products/plugin_tg12413.php
>
>Tony
>
>
>"Cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message
>news:4522703e$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I just saw on Gearslutz that teh EMI limiter is coming to VST.
>> Anyone know anymore?
>
>Hey Lamont,
Thanks. I'm a big fan of having choices, so I'm glad you still enjoy
your system and find it speedy and useful for the way that _you_ work
right now. I'm sure it won't matter to you in the least if there are
things about your system that I might not like. What difference would
that make to you? No difference at all.
I'm also glad I have the option to use a system that feels more elegant
and efficient overall, to me, for the way that _I_ work right now. If
it's not your cup of tea, that's OK, it wouldn't change how it works for me.
Obviously we both have our own reasons for selecting our various tools.
Some of mine are below.
Our reasons are valid even if they differ, because we each decide for
ourselves what matters when selecting tools, based on how we want to
live and work.
What's important in the end is the quality of the music we produce.
BTW I'm encouraged that open source has become very viable for needed
office tasks (I dig Open Office, Thunderbird, etc.) and has potential
for maturing on the media production side.
So, to each their own, within the narrowed range of choices still
available. But keep an eye on that narrowed range and be careful what
you wish for. It's a better marketplace if there still remains at least
some semblance of competition and choice.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> Thanks for the response James. Very Informative..I tto was around during those
> earliy days of personal computing.
> Although, I really liked OS9. :)
> I think Aplle should not have stoped the Cloning. Man, people were finally
> getting pysced about gettign a Mac..Then boommm..
> Oh well..
>
> Man, like I posted , I use both, and one XP is a speed demon even with a
> modest to a cheap componet system. That alone, speaks volume.
>
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> Lamont said:
>>>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>>>> Windows? Thanks..
>> I've used a lot of different platforms. Atari, Commodore, HP's UNIX,
>> MSDOS, Apple II, Mac, Amiga, AtariST, MSWindows, NeXT, Linux, BeOS, OSX.
>> I still have a Wi95/98/Linux/BeOS box lying around, several Amigas and
>> Psion.
>>
>> I did some Mac audio/multi-media coverage for MacWEEK/MacUSER during
>> pre-OSX days and for a time I ran MacOS on an Amiga using an emulator
>> package and a Mac EPROM.
>>
>> I've also worked with a variety of companies developing software and
>> hardware for some of those different platforms.
>>
>> I'm writing this on Thunderbird, an open source email program, running
>> on OSX.
>>
>> I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Mac user. I seek to use and help foster good
>> tools and I value having choices in that pursuit. I can only speak for
>> myself, but let me shake out the cobwebs, Lamont, and see if I can
>> answer your question to some extent and add a little to what James
>> already said.
>>
>> So, off the top of my head:
>>
>> Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory
>> allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal
>> computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more
>> advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned
>> the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa,
>> stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness
>> to move past older designs gave them a technology lead, although the
>> early Mac was quickly eclipsed in some ways by the Commodore Amiga.
>> Hardware wise, Macs were overpriced IMO.
>>
>> Microsoft sucked worse, for the most part, because they couldn't let go
>> of their entanglement with really old IBM decisions, more like Apple II
>> than Mac. They struggled to transition to a graphic user interface,
>> struggled to add decent color support, struggled with multimedia and all
>> while desperately trying to stay compatible all the way back to MSDOS.
>> The cost was a culture of bloat, inelegance, copycat design and rushed
>> bugginess that became the hallmark of Microsoft products.
>>
>> However, Microsoft managed to beat Apple to preemptive multitasking and
>> dynamic memory allocation. Apple stagnated with failed development of
>> OS9 replacement technology, had to transition to the PowerPC processor
>> family, and all that gave Microsoft an opening to kludge their way past
>> MacOS, albeit in a very wobbly way, with Wi95 - just add more bailing
>> wire and ignore the blue screen of death.
>>
>> Oh BTW, along the way Microsoft pushed out their partner IBM who ended
>> up with OS2, which began to dry on the vine. IBM is another big story
>> but I'll condense it into saying that they screwed things up by
>> standardizing on crappy hardware designs from the start; failing to see
>> the market potential for personal computers; choosing Microsoft as an OS
>> partner; and acting like a clueless monolithic typewriter company (not
>> unlike Commodore except bigger and thus with a carelessly larger market
>> impact). IBM also got into monopoly trouble which was another part of
>> Microsoft's huge opportunity to suck on a bigger time level than before.
>>
>> BTW, what did Microsoft know about operating systems? Very little but
>> Microsoft bought some technology, nailed down the legalese, presented it
>> as their own tech, got the deal with the naive IBM, and that's a
>> an insight into Microsoft's business practices from then on.
>>
>> The truest innovation from Microsoft, other than anti-competitive
>> behavior, was relentless marketing. They offered arguably the best
>> choice in unreliable, kludgy systems, for a time. And Microsoft did a
>> great job convincing people to buy into the notion that this is just the
>> way it is, and gee, we need those wobbly peecee things in our businesses
>> and homes. Microsoft was able to make people think that computers were
>> unreliable and kludgy and that's just normal.
>>
>> It's not normal. It's a sign of software bloat caused by rapid
>> development of features on poor foundations without allowing time for
>> proper design and debugging.
>>
>> Not content to compete on merits, Microsoft also sucked with flat out
>> illegal business practices, some of which they were finally tried and
>> convicted of, but they were saved from any real consequences for their
>> criminal activities by a change in government.
>>
>> Fairly disgusted with both Apple and Microsoft on several levels,
>> including inability to innovate and inability to transcend OS problems
>>from the past, plus unethical business practices that were not
>> particularly great for consumers, I worked on a NeXT computer for a
>> while and always kept an Amiga workhorse or two around. Later I also put
>> BeOS on my old Wi98 box, wow, much better!
>>
>> After spinning their wheels for years, Apple finally decided to buy
>> their way out of their predicament. Choosing between BeOS and NeXTSTEP,
>> they chose to buy out NeXT and gain a more modern operating system
>> foundation and hook back up with co-founder Steve, who had started NeXT
>> after being more or less kicked out of Apple.
>>
>> I do disagree with the Apple decision to pull the rug out from under Mac
>> clone makers. I don't know everything behind it, or whether Apple's
>> future was really on the line, but I favor competition in general.
>>
>> Anyway, when Apple built on NeXTSTEP to create a new MacOS, MacOSX, I
>> became interested. Logic was the first sequencer to support OSX.
>>
>> OSX threw out most of the OS9 baggage. It started from a higher place
>> and built from there. Today it's quite solid. I do question a few
>> things, such as the imposing of extensions in file names, OS9 was better
>> on that point. But OSX is better on every other point, way, way better.
>> And OSX is arguably more elegant than the current incarnation of
>> MSWindows. Mac hardware prices have also come down significantly and now
>> it's all Intel FWIW.
>>
>> As an aside, I think Apple went with file name extensions because of a
>> desire to be more compatible with MSWindows in (stupid, ancient) file
>> naming conventions. Meta data be damned.
>>
>> BTW it really, really sucked what happened to BeOS. Both Apple and
>> Microsoft had a hand in that, but especially Microsoft who forbade
>> computer makers to offer BeOS as an option (yes, that's illegal).
>> Microsoft ended up paying a paltry few million in a lawsuit but it was
>> after BeOS had already been driven out of business, technology assets
>> sold to Palm.
>>
>> Sordid business, this. Eventually open source will replace it all, probably.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Thanks James. Good Post... "They took a 90 million dollar charge
>>>> when Apple dropped the cloning thing. For years, Motorola got
>>>> around to Apples needs when Motorola got around to Apples needs."
>>>> WOW!! Amazing..
>>>>
>>>> Question: Before Windows OS got msutherd with viruses
>>>> (1999-current), what was Mac user's excues then for not using
>>>> Windows? Thanks..
>>>>
>>> It sucked! I did use Windoz back then, it was a PITA, and still is.
>>> Mac O/S was a better, easier to use OS! Windows 3.x couldn't stand
>>> up to Mac O/S. Then Windows 95 came out. The press said that it
>>> was more Mac like, which was true. Microsoft continued to copy Mac
>>> OS features. MS even stole the term Plug and Play from Apple. Then
>>> they said it was as good as a Mac, that was the first lie. Then
>>> they started to say that Windows 95 was better than a Mac, that was
>>> an even bigger lie. Unfortunately the average guy believed the lies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People talked about how Macs would crash and Windows didn't. That
>>> was another lie, Windows 95 did crash. Macs crashed because you need
>>> to manually allocate memory to each program, people would for get to
>>> do this and then blame the Mac. That is like not putting gas in
>>> your car, and then say that the car was defective when it stopped
>>> running. That was the draw back of Mac OS back then, and Win 95 had
>>> that one advantage because of the dynamically allocated memory.
>>>
>>> Mac OS was sleeker, more elegant, easier to use back in the 90s and
>>> still is to day. That's why Microsoft keeps trying to copy Apple.
>>>
>>> May be it's all just a right brain, left brain thing. Or may be it's
>>> that Microsoft creates software that is inferior, has bugs, has lots
>>> of problems, and it keeps you IT guys working, and that's why you
>>> love MS and hate Apple.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I think it's a rumor. I do think, IF the day comes that
>>>>> Microsoft drops
>>>> MS
>>>>> Office for the Mac it will happen but not right away. My bet is
>>>>> Apple
>>> has
>>>>> a version of OSX and some kind of open Office project that will
>>>>> run on
>>> a
>>>>> PC in their labs that Microsoft is well a where of. It's a cold
>>>>> war approach. It keeps everybody playing nice. (Where is
>>>>> Claris/Apple works?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple didn't jump to Intel on a whim, or over
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Mon, 18 September 2006 15:49 |
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Messages: 895
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ith time.
>>>> By
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together,
>>>>>>>>>> like Vegas
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Acid.
>>>>>>>>>> Hey, it's always good to have choices.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic
>>>>>>>>>>> Audio should die off fi
>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> continue down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first
>>>>>>>>>>> approach. They will
>>>> die
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of
>>>>>>>>>>> the industry..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are
>>>>>>>>>>> dominating the
>>>>> game
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is putting
>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>> of their cardsinto IPODS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish)
>>>>>>>>>>> type app or
>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> Sony Vegas Pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at
>>>>>>>>>>>> the video market
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a
>>>>>>>>>>>> dime on audio.
>>>>> They
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an
>>>>>>>>>>>> actual audio
>>> pro
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program
>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying the
>>>>> "pro"
>>>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting
>>>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still).
>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>> PT
>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I
>>>>>>>>>>>> would actually
>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the industry
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> a whole.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> technology...
>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux,
>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of the level
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it
>>> looks
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this
>>>>> true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _re storation
>Pull the battery, it's probably a standard CR2032 type, found at wal mart,
radio shack and yes..even best buy probably has it.
AA
"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
news:hi76i21bltpn4b0a3uigcpqvio31leiksk@4ax.com...
> Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours
> from ECMM days gone by...
>
> So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like some kind of
> little watch type battery that I can find at the local Best Buy? Or
> -- a more esoteric computer store type item?
>
> Anyway -- five or six years on this box now -- I'd say I've gotten my
> money's worth...
>
> -- thanks for the help -- Chas.
>
>
>
> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0400, Chris Ludwig
> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>>HI Chas,
>>
>>Things that I would think of first off as possibly being the problem.
>>
>>1.BIOS battery is dieing or dead.
>>
>>2. Dire power supply
>>
>>3. dieing motherboard
>>
>>
>>the top 2 will be easy to deal with and you would have to do them first
>>before you know if #3 i
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Mon, 18 September 2006 16:33 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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r issue like what day
>>>it is...
>>>
>>>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.
>>>
>>>
>Thanks -- sounds like something I might be able to handle.
chas.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:59 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
<know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Pull the battery, it's probably a standard CR2032 type, found at wal mart,
>radio shack and yes..even best buy probably has it.
>
>AA
>
>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>news:hi76i21bltpn4b0a3uigcpqvio31leiksk@4ax.com...
>> Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours
>> from ECMM days gone by...
>>
>> So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like some kind of
>> little watch type battery that I can find at the local Best Buy? Or
>> -- a more esoteric computer store type item?
>>
>> Anyway -- five or six years on this box now -- I'd say I've gotten my
>> money's worth...
>>
>> -- thanks for the help -- Chas.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0400, Chris Ludwig
>> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>>HI Chas,
>>>
>>>Things that I would think of first off as possibly being the problem.
>>>
>>>1.BIOS battery is dieing or dead.
>>>
>>>2. Dire power supply
>>>
>>>3. dieing motherboard
>>>
>>>
>>>the top 2 will be easy to deal with and you would have to do them first
>>>before you know if #3 is whats happening.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>Chas. Duncan wrote:
>>>
>>>>People -- opinions, please...
>>>>
>>>>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe
>>>>getting a little o-l-d...
>>>>
>>>>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still
>>>>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to
>>>>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time
>>>>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
>>>>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
>>>>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada...
>>>>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far...
>>>>
>>>>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I
>>>>think, sturdy but inflexible)...
>>>>
>>>>Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board
>>>>somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)?
>>>>
>>>>Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done
>>>>with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and
>>>>mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day
>>>>it is...
>>>>
>>>>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run on a
VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it has
superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions of
Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
Bay.
The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
some bugs still, of course).
C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins with
are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending on
the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp eats
up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is a
rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a few
useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand up
well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
not as versatile as either of these).
C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature for
mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs, dim,
talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in the
project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
That's enough for now. fwiw...
DedricThis mic kicks ass... and no, it sounds nothing like the kit
version that preceded it.
'nuff said, try one - seriously.
NeilMy 800 athlon went to habitat for humanity last week with a 17" monitor.
Flat panels and Ghz for me !
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>People -- opinions, please...
>
>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe
>getting a little o-l-d...
>
>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still
>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to
>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time
>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada...
>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far...
>
>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I
>think, sturdy but inflexible)...
>
>Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board
>somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)?
>
>Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done
>with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and
>mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day
>it is...
>
>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.Gene, I would LOVE that one if you had a complete version for the Mixer and
Editor Windows. Wow, That's really nice.
John
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color
>scheme.
>> Anyone ?
>>
>
>I started working on this one, but other projects kept me from completing
>it. Now I cant find most of the parts.
>GeneSt. Croix's IS very nice but I prefer the Black and Blue theme. Black and
Green would be nice too.
John
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Ohh no, Paris (Vintage) color scheme is still Better looking than any other
>DAW out there. Mr StCroix got it right.. :)
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Yay it's back up. Man I would love to know how to make paris this color
>scheme.
>> Anyone ?
>>
>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Site down (temp i hope). Maybe you slashdotted them. hehe
>>>
>>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonalksis.com/index.php?section_id=99
>>>
>>
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------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C6E788.AD093C70--Hey Dedric,
Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
(Lol) ;)
Thanks
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on a
>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
has
>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>Bay.
>
>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>some bugs still, of course).
>
>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
with
>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
on
>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
eats
>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
a
>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
few
>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>not as versatile as either of these).
>
>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
for
>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
dim,
>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
the
>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>
>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>
>Dedric
>
>Thanks for the info Dedric. Up through v.3 I was on the NFR gravy train so
if I want 4 I have to pony up full price. Not sure if that's worth it to
me, esp. since Live has become the primary app I use and SX is started up
only in specialized situations. Also, I'd be breaking compatibility with
my fellow bandmates who are all on 2 or 3. We'll see though, it does sound
like a bigger upgrade than they've done in a bit. As far as I could tell
the only difference between 2 adn 3 was the box.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on a
>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
has
>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>Bay.
>
>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>some bugs still, of course).
>
>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
with
>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
on
>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
eats
>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
a
>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
few
>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>not as versatile as either of these).
>
>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
for
>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
dim,
>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
the
>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>which outputs are
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72639 is a reply to message #72636] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 16:50 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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>> So, off the top of my head:
>>>
>>> Before OSX, MacOS sucked. No preemptive multitasking. No dynamic memory
>>> allocation. Stuck with compatibility to the stone age of personal
>>> computers (early 80s). But at least the stone age for Apple was more
>>> advanced than the stone age for Microsoft. Apple had already jettisoned
>>> the Apple II, been inspired by Xerox and moved on with the Lisa,
>>> stumbled with that and then moved on to the MacIntosh. That willingness
>>> to move past older designs gave them a technology lead, although the
>>> early Mac was quickly eclipsed in some ways by the Commodore Amiga.
>>> Hardware wise, Macs were overpriced IMO.
>>>
>>> Microsoft sucked worse, for the most part, because they couldn't let
go
>>> of their entanglement with really old IBM decisions, more like Apple
II
>>> than Mac. They struggled to transition to a graphic user interface,
>>> struggled to add decent color support, struggled with multimedia and
all
>>> while desperately trying to stay compatible all the way back to MSDOS.
>>> The cost was a culture of bloat, inelegance, copycat design and rushed
>>> bugginess that became the hallmark of Microsoft products.
>>>
>>> However, Micro
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72647 is a reply to message #72626] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 17:30 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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ell at Apple. They took
>>>>>> a 90 million dollar charge when Apple dropped the
>>>> cloning
>>>>>> thing. For years, Motorola got around to Apples needs when
>>>>>> Motorola got around to Apples needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IBM started to treat Apple the same way in recent years. I think
>>>>>> IBM
>>>> found
>>>>>> out about Apple's work with Intel. IBM opened their Fishkill
>>>>>> Plant with big fanfare. There were a lot of press releases about
>>>>>> the IBM/Apple G5, and how IBM built a new state of the art plant
>>>>>> for this processor. Steve Jobs announced that with in a year
>>>>>> they would be a 3GHZ with the G5, and stated that IBM said so. It
>>>>>> never happened. Apple had looked at IBM's
>>>>> road
>>>>>> map, the G5 spec-ed out good. The problems that were supposed to
>>>>>> be fixed in the second generation did not happen. Heat and
>>>>>> power consumption were big issues, that's why G5's never made it
>>>>>> in to a lap top. IBM could not deliver a faster, cooler, less
>>>>>> power hungry processor. Apple had to do
>>>>> something,
>>>>>> or get left in the dust. I think the relationship also broke
>>>>>> down. after all the IBM fanfare, they started to say publicly
>>>>>> that Apple was only a
>>>>> small
>>>>>> part of their business and was not important to them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what Steve Jobs said, Apple looked at Intel's road map as
>>>>>> far as processor performance and it was clear to him that it was
>>>>>> the best choice. He sees things that you and I don't get to
>>>>>> see. Apples top hardware designer retired at that time, so having
>>>>>> Intel help Apple with MOBO design was a win, win situation.
>>>>>> Apple knows Intel is going to rock in to the future. I'm sure
>>>>>> Apple is also working with AMD, but I think they signed an
>>>>>> exclusive with Intel. When that's up, I think you'll see Apple
>>>>>> AMD machines also. You may also see Apple IBM machines in the
>>>>>> future, but I think it depends on IBM, and price/proformance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as MS plays nice with Apple I don't think you will see
>>>>>> OSX on PC hardware, but again anything is possible. Apple makes
>>>>>> too much money on hardware and they would lose hardware sales if
>>>>>> they did this. Not a smart business plan for Apple. There
>>>>>> would be too much cost to support all of the PC hardware out
>>>>>> there. If they sold an OS version with out support
>>>>> they
>>>>>> might be able to make some money, but it would still hurt
>>>>>> hardware sales. If they ever get their hard ware closer to the
>>>>>> end user cost of PC hardware, it might be more possible. I don't
>>>>>> think that will happen any time soon, besides they will never
>>>>>> get anywhere near the cost to build your own PC. Besides, you can
>>>>>> already hack the OSX and run it on a PC. I think it would just
>>>>>> hurt Apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I'd like to see, is lower hardware prices from Apple, and
>>>>>> the ability to run any Windows PC software on Mac OSX. That
>>>>>> would be a lot better
>>>> solution.
>>>>>> Mac users really don't want the Windows viruses on our Macs!
>>>>>> Apple is
>>>>> a
>>>>>> hardware and software company, I think they would like you to buy
>>>>>> both
>>>> from
>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Although, if the gloves ever come off, and the average guy finds
>>>>>> out the truth that Mac OSX is less expensive and easier to deal
>>>>>> with and does the same things, Microsoft will have some serious
>>>>>> competition on the computing home front.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac OSX on a PC would be a bad thing for Microsoft, and MS would
>>>>>> definitely try to stop it. Apple is doing fine, and I think
>>>>>> that nobody really wants to poison the well they all drink from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's my take on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any thing is possible, only time will tell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Jamie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont know about the "Ain't going to happen. Let's take a
>>>>>>> look. They dump the IMB-Motorola Processor(Thank God) for some
>>>>>>> real power(Intel's).. That one event opened up "Pandora's Box)
>>>>>>> into Microsoft all over again
>>>>> :)
>>>>>>> Thus, it was inevitable that running windows on a Mac would
>>>>>>> soon follow
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> it happened (fast) I might add..BootCamp and other hacked
>>>>>>> versions..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being that there are more windows users in the world, how many
>>>>>>> Ipods would you say were Windows version of IPods versus Mac
>>>>>>> Ipods?? Itunes is the
>>>>> prefered
>>>>>>> media player on both Macs and Window PCs. I really do think
>>>>>>> it's only a matter of time before we a cross-platform
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Question: James M or Jamie.. The big rumor is that Apple will
>>>>>>> release
>>>> a
>>>>>> vrsion
>>>>>>> of OS-x for any PC?? Is this true. If it is, wonderful.. Also,
>>>>>>> that DEll and Hp are signed on to become OEM vendors.Offering
>>>>>>> a user to either have Windows or OS-x as their prefered OS.???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>>>>> Oh great, now I'm going to have nightmares! ;^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see what refinements end up in
>>>>>>>> future versions of Logic. I'm personally glad it's already
>>>>>>>> come so far, and is now not only feature-rich but much more
>>>>>>>> reliable. The hardware and OS it runs
>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> is plenty fast and reasonably elegant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm glad we have choices, too. For anyone who wants Nuendo,
>>>>>>>> Pro Tools
>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> is limited to running on MSWindows, clearly you should not
>>>>>>>> buy Logic. Apple will be OK without your money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course it _would_ be great if Logic were multi-platform
>>>>>>>> but the reality is that ain't gonna happen.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers, -Jamie http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric! I have older versions of Logic, but I'm not
>>>>>>>>> running Logic
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> this time. I have kept up with, to some degree, the
>>>>>>>>> development of
>>>>> logic.
>>>>>>>>> I've been reading the Logic NG for some time, and a lot of
>>>>>>>>> the bugs
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> been fixed. There was a lot of mad Logic users for a
>>>>>>>>> while, especially
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> they started to make changes to the interface. Some people
>>>>>>>>> liked it
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> way it was, hummmmm!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've just been reading about Logic and Symphony. It looks
>>>>>>>>> like a killer combination, but time will tell. From what
>>>>>>>>> I gather, the drivers are
>>>>>>> working
>>>>>>>>> well. Obviously the latency thing is a plus if it all
>>>>>>>>> turns out to
>>>>> be
>>>>>>> true.
>>>>>>>>> I think Logic is still a serious contender for DAW
>>>>>>>>> software. Logic
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> a good option for many, with it's PT and new third party
>>>>>>>>> hardware options, such as DSP cards. It took apple time to
>>>>>>>>> get the right people in place
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> the internal Logic team, some people came from Opcode. I
>>>>>>>>> think Logic
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> now improve.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My point was it's not fair to pick a part Logic and Macs
>>>>>>>>> when your
>>>> reference
>>>>>>>>> is a 3 to 4 year old version of Logic and an 8 year old
>>>>>>>>> Mac. That's
>>>>>> ridiculous!
>>>>>>>>> There has been a lot of improvements to Logic and Macs. I
>>>>>>>>> think the
>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>> state of the art, first hand experience and honesty would
>>>>>>>>> reveal a
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> conclusion. Logic and Macs are not dead, they are still
>>>>>>>>> prevalent
>>>> in
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> studios. Logic will improve over time, as all DAWs do. I
>>>>>>>>> doubt Logic
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> ever be top dog, but so what. That position will be held
>>>>>>>>> by PT, and
>>>>>> Steinberg
>>>>>>>>> second for a long time to come. In the end, the best DAW
>>>>>>>>> is a vary
>>>>> subjective
>>>>>>>>> matter. To each his own.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a lot of software out there to choose from, I'm
>>>>>>>>> glad we have
>>>>>>> choices,
>>>>>>>>> other wise we'd all sound the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just be glad Gibson didn't buy Logic!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hey James - are you using Logic with Symphony? How do
>>>>>>>>>> you like Symphony
>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> thoughts? Seems like a great interface and a perfect
>>>>>>>>>> complement to
>>>>>> Logic,
>>>>>>>>>> but I know a few people were skeptical of Apogee's
>>>>>>>>>> ability to deliver
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> driver end, if there is such a concern with core audio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/06 5:39 PM, in article 452051c3$1@linux, "James
>>>>>>>>>> McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is a fortune 50 company with billions of dollars
>>>>>>>>>>> behind it.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think Apple or Logic are going to fail any time soon.
>>>>>>>>>>> Logic will,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>>> improved over time. Apple could make more money if
>>>>>>>>>>> they had a PC
>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>> again, but it doesn't much matter to Mac users and
>>>>>>>>>>> their are millions
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> us. I think the biggest problem with Logic is the
>>>>>>>>>>> $999.00 price,
>>>>> if
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>> $499.00, and continued to improve, a lot more people
>>>>>>>>>>> would be using
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no perfect DAW, they all need work. Is Nuendo
>>>>>>>>>>> $1,500.00
>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>> than Logic? Before you answer that, maybe you should
>>>>>>>>>>> try the latest
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>>>> of Logic on a new Mac with Symphony. Then I think you
>>>>>>>>>>> would really
>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>>>> Logic 5.5 is a vary old version. It's all subjective,
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>> strokes
>>>>>>>>>>> for different fokes. Jamie and others here are
>>>>>>>>>>> examples of people
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> like Logic and are able to do serious work with Logic,
>>>>>>>>>>> so I don't
>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> dyeing. Logic and Apple are only going to get better
>>>>>>>>>>> with time.
>>>>> By
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> way Logic and SoundTrack are supposed to work together,
>>>>>>>>>>> like Vegas
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> Acid.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey, it's always good to have choices.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Dedric, I disagree..I think Apps like DP & Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio should die off fi
>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue down their Mac centric, mac only, Midi first
>>>>>>>>>>>> approach. They will
>>>>> die
>>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>>>>>> if they don't adjust their product to the demands of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the industry..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now it's a Steinberg, Digidesign, Cakwwalk who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> dominating the
>>>>>> game
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple has dropped the ball with Logic. It seems that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is putting
>>>>>>>>> most
>>>>>>>>>>>> of their cardsinto IPODS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Final Cut Pro will mature into a Nueundo(ish)
>>>>>>>>>>>> type app or
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sony Vegas Pro.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Imho, Soundtrack Pro seems to be aimed directly at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video market
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will spend tens of thousands on video, but not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dime on audio.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soundtrack "Pro", which automatically replaces an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual audio
>>>> pro
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it is launched! (Thanks to ProTools, any program
>>>>>>>>>>>>> carrying the
>>>>>> "pro"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moniker automatically imparts professional skills
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on any unsuspecting
>>>>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Logic is a great program. So are DP, Nuendo, SX,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: OT: An interesting paradox - Islam and the Pope [message #72648 is a reply to message #72624] |
Mon, 18 September 2006 17:40 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Sonar, and Samplitude/Sequoia (despite the lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual core support, still).
>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>>>>>>> PT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> isn't bad for a generic or educational DAW. ;-) I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would actually
>>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see any of them die off - it wouldn't bode well for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the industry
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> a whole.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The biggest threat DAWs face isn't one another, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology...
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what we do for a living a simple click of a button
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible to
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> age
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5 to 95.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/30/06 11:26 PM, in article 451f5170$1@linux,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamie My Logic Audio Buddy..An even better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> example of the level
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> editing, look and feel that Logic shouold be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heading towards. Well, it
>>>> looks
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple is heading there without them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard a rumor that most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> German(emagic)team is not leading
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Logic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Audio development team. That it's all Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers? Is this
>>>>>> true?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/quicktours/?quicktours/a udio/qt_stpro_2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _re storation
>>Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing the
living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric,
>
> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>
> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
> (Lol) ;)
> Thanks
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
> on a
>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
> has
>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
> of
>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>> Bay.
>>
>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>> some bugs still, of course).
>>
>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
> with
>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
> on
>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
> eats
>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
> a
>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
> few
>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
> up
>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>
>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
> for
>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
> dim,
>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>>
>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
> the
>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>>
>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
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I remember (or think I remember) someone mentioning there was a spreadsheet
or something that had all the Wave plugin latencies listed.
Could someone point me in the right direction
DonI am assumming I will need to reathorize Paris 3.0 when I get my new machine.
Do I just contact ID when the time comes?Don't forget to buy 1GB of ram while you're at it. The new batteries require
more ram. These are Vista compatible batteries.
hehe
John
Chas. Duncan <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote:
>
>Thanks -- sounds like something I might be able to handle.
>
>chas.
>
>On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 22:41:59 -0500, "Aaron Allen"
><know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>
>>Pull the battery, it's probably a standard CR2032 type, found at wal mart,
>>radio shack and yes..even best buy probably has it.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199ATsbcglobalDOTnet@> wrote in message
>>news:hi76i21bltpn4b0a3uigcpqvio31leiksk@4ax.com...
>>> Thanks Chris, I guess you should know -- this computer is one of yours
>>> from ECMM days gone by...
>>>
>>> So -- BIOS battery first, right? Will that be like some kind of
>>> little watch type battery that I can find at the local Best Buy? Or
>>> -- a more esoteric computer store type item?
>>>
>>> Anyway -- five or six years on this box now -- I'd say I've gotten my
>>> money's worth...
>>>
>>> -- thanks for the help -- Chas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 22:21:03 -0400, Chris Ludwig
>>> <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>HI Chas,
>>>>
>>>>Things that I would think of first off as possibly being the problem.
>>>>
>>>>1.BIOS battery is dieing or dead.
>>>>
>>>>2. Dire power supply
>>>>
>>>>3. dieing motherboard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>the top 2 will be easy to deal with and you would have to do them first
>>>>before you know if #3 is whats happening.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Chas. Duncan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>People -- opinions, please...
>>>>>
>>>>>My antique and much loved Athlon 800, 98 SE Paris box, is maybe
>>>>>getting a little o-l-d...
>>>>>
>>>>>For instance: system clock has lost its mind... Thinks it's still
>>>>>September something, and whatever the hell time... If I set it to
>>>>>present day-and-time it will be half a week off again by this time
>>>>>next week... Can't be good, right? Also, the thing just sort of
>>>>>doesn't boot up at all about one time out of ten... Like, nothing...
>>>>>Lights blink, wheels spin, but no POST screen, no Windoze, nada...
>>>>>Power down, power up again, and up she wakes, at least so far...
>>>>>
>>>>>It's an Ancient Abit mobo from the Flintstone days (slate based, I
>>>>>think, sturdy but inflexible)...
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyway -- ain't there some kind of battery lurking on that board
>>>>>somewhere? Could that thing have bonked (what a surprise, right?)?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thing is -- this box just keeps on ticking, and mostly all I've done
>>>>>with this over the last five years is record and mix and record and
>>>>>mix etc. Would hate to junk it over some minor issue like what day
>>>>>it is...
>>>>>
>>>>>-- wisdom welcome as always -- thanks -- Chas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>The only exception is for large bi-amped (or more) monitors where
they will not even be accurate w/o EQ. Then we spend a long
time, preferably with very sophisticated measurement and
analysis tools, and a good digital processor / x-over to get it
just right.
Never, ever use a graphic or even an analog parametric on
nearfield/midfield studio monitors. Fix the room, fix the
mounting system, lose the big wooden console, etc etc, but
analog EQ's sound awful compared to fixing the problems and
running your monitors without them.
Unless of course, some bonehead studio owner is waving lots of
money in your face and won't accept any other solution...
(grin)
DC
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>All,
>
>I know I have heard that inserting Eqs before your monitors to=20
>counteract room modes/coloration is a technique many=20
>shy away from. I know the best way to treat this is by speaker placement
>and sound absorption. However, when would be an exceptable time to do =
>this?
>What are the pros and cons?
>The purpose I would be doing it is to bring the rooms freq response =
>flatter.
>
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I know I have heard that inserting Eqs before =
>your=20
>monitors to </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>counteract room modes/coloration is a technique
=
>many=20
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>shy away from. I know the best way to treat this
=
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>rooms freq=20
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><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
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>
>Anyone here made the switch or use both?
Thoughts?What's that Pace removal thingy called?
"Phil Aiken" <Phil@philaiken.com> wrote:
>
> I am assumming I will need to reathorize Paris 3.0 when I get my new machine.
> Do I just contact ID when the time comes?Paris special ed
;-)
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4523c8cd$1@linux...
>
> What's that Pace removal thingy called?
>
> "Phil Aiken" <Phil@philaiken.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am assumming I will need to reathorize Paris 3.0 when I get my new
>> machine.
>> Do I just contact ID when the time comes?
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Gary,
>Are you going to try and get PARIS running on this box?
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
NO, sadly I am an ex Parisite. I got to the point where I needed to either
migrate Paris to XP or jump ship. With the (lack of) support issues and
the increasing incompatability with certain plugs and apps, I was seduced
by the dark side. M-audio Project Mix I/O and M-powered Pro Tools. We'll
see how that goes :)
>"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote:
>>
>>I just bought a used Dell Dimension 9100 for this purpose. It is the first
>>used computer I've ever purchased, but by the time Digi blesses a model
>it
>>is discontinued. The one I got on eBay has a dual processor, decent (7200-160GB)
>>hard drive and 3 PCI and 4 PCIE slots. It cost me $400 plus shipping.
>>
>>Of course, I'll be adding a 360 GB music drive, 2 GB of RAM, a dual monitor
>>card, and a Firewire card. Still, the total will be under $1000.........
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Phil,
>>>I'm in the same boat as you. I've been looking at the Gigabyte K8NS ultra
>>>939 which
>>>has 5 PCI 2.2 slots and which is know to work very well with PARIS,but
>there
>>>becoming hard to find. Ideally I'd like a Intel based board with 3 PCI
>2.2
>>>slots
>>>and PCI-e slots. This will be my first PC so I'm flying blind. I'd like
>>>to run
>>>Pro Tools le,Ableton Live and Reasons as well as PARIS. I've been looking
>>>at
>>>ASUS P5B Motherboard,don't know if this is a good choice,but I'm going
>to
>>>some
>>>checking around. Let me know what you come up with. Don't like the idea
>>of
>>>being
>>>beta tester but I my have to.
>>>
>>>respect
>>>nappy
>>>
>>>
>>>"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My main audio computer needs to be replaced....I am looking to put
together
>>>> a new PC that will be for Paris and also a native platform that I will
>>>ultimately
>>>>migrate to - but not right away. (Leaning towards Samplitude) My Paris
>>system
>>>>is 2 cards, with 1 UAD card.
>>>>
>>>> I have a budget of about $1500.00. What I have come up with myself
>is
>>>>an AMD dualcore 2.6 - 3 pci slots and 3 pcie slots - honkin' power supply
>>>>- 7200 rpm SATA main system drive with a 3 removable SATA drive bay for
>>>audio.
>>>>2 Gigs of RAM.
>>>>
>>>>I know Paris can't make use of it....but should I be looking at dual
processors?
>>>>Would this send my budget through the roof?
>>>>
>>>>Any specific motherboard/processor recommendations?
>>>>
>>>>Someone want to point me to the ideal system for my budget and needs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Sounds like it won't be available until after AE
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Messages: 1988
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s. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially
numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them
there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially
numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do
this?
Thanks,
Deejrun the setup app to install the scherzo drivers, reboot, then install Paris,
reboot, then the effects subsystem, then reboot.
www.kfocus.com/paris under setup / XP
EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>http://www.parisfaqs.com/
>
>Right at the bottom of the "PC Specific stuff" is a link to the XP
>install instructions and drivers.
>
>David.
>
>JCampbell wrote:
>> I did this a long long time ago and have to do it again. Can't remember
>> for the life of me the procedure and I don't want to screw it up.
>>
>> When asked 'where' to install, what 's the drill?
>>
>> Is there a "step-by-step" in a faq somewhere?
>>
>> Thanks for any help here.
>>
>> JimHow are you naming them? Editing the name of the red tags?
David.
DJ wrote:
> I figured I'd ask the question here first. I'm doing a compilation CD for a
> client here in Wavelab. The duplication house needs an audio master CD, not
> data files. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially
> numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them
> there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially
> numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do
> this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Deej
>
>I suspect the peaks are due to boundary walls interference.
I didnt even think about the nulls not benefiting.
Yes if I use the 80hz roll off on the hr824s the problem goes away ofcourse
since the problem is at 47hz.
I have a 12db peak at 47hz and a null at 108hz only on the left speaker.
Thanks,
--
Thanks,
Brandon Goodwin
Process Engineering
Pentech Assembly
<Kris .> wrote in message news:4523dada$1@linux...
>
> It's okay to EQ your room to fix speaker boundary interface problems, but
> NOT to fix room mode problems.
>
> If your speakers are too close to a wall, you might need a little cut on
> the low end to compensate for the extended baffle that the wall
makes....using
> a shelf EQ here is fine, it's exacly what the acoustic compensation
switches
> on the backs of some active monitors are intended for.
>
> Don't bother trying to EQ out peaks and valleys caused by room
modes...they
> are only solved by trapping and room dimension changes. Besides that, you
> can only EQ the peaks, and can't do anything about the nulls.... best not
> to try.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kris
>
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >All,
> >
> >I know I have heard that inserting Eqs before your monitors to=20
> >counteract room modes/coloration is a technique many=20
> >shy away from. I know the best way to treat this is by speaker placement
> >and sound absorption. However, when would be an exceptable time to do =
> >this?
> >What are the pros and cons?
> >The purpose I would be doing it is to bring the rooms freq response =
> >flatter.
> >
> >
> >--=20
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Brandon
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
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> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>All,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I know I have heard that inserting Eqs before =
> >your=20
> >monitors to </FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>counteract room modes/coloration is a technique
> =
> >many=20
> ></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>shy away from. I know the best way to treat this
> =
> >is by=20
> >speaker placement</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>and sound absorption. However, when would be an
> =
> >exceptable=20
> >time to do this?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>What are the pros and cons?</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>The purpose I would be doing it is to bring the
> =
> >rooms freq=20
> >response flatter.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT> </DIV><FONT face=3DArial>
> ><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
> ><DIV> </DIV>
> ><DIV>Brandon </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
> >
> >
>Red what's!!!??? It is possible to click on the song number at the bottom of
the file and name it. That's what I'm doing. Are you at the shop right now?
;o)
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4523ebfd$1@linux...
> How are you naming them? Editing the name of the red tags?
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > I figured I'd ask the question here first. I'm doing a compilation CD
for a
> > client here in Wavelab. The duplication house needs an audio master CD,
not
> > data files. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially
> > numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them
> > there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially
> > numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do
> > this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >Uhh... yes...
David.
DJ wrote:
> Red what's!!!??? It is possible to click on the song number at the bottom of
> the file and name it. That's what I'm doing. Are you at the shop right now?
> ;o)
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4523ebfd$1@linux...
>
>>How are you naming them? Editing the name of the red tags?
>>
>>David.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I figured I'd ask the question here first. I'm doing a compilation CD
>
> for a
>
>>>client here in Wavelab. The duplication house needs an audio master CD,
>
> not
>
>>>data files. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially
>>>numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them
>>>there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially
>>>numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do
>>>this?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>
>
>Click on the CD tab in the montage. Then click on the CD Text box. At the
bottom, move to the previous track so that you can give the CD a title, then
move though each of the tracks and give them names.
DavidYah, what he said... ;-)
David.
David L wrote:
> Click on the CD tab in the montage. Then click on the CD Text box. At the
> bottom, move to the previous track so that you can give the CD a title, then
> move though each of the tracks and give them names.
>
> DavidSo, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with plugins?
Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
too bad..
The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
Room) is some good stuff.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>
>It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
the
>living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>
>On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric,
>>
>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
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Messages: 1261
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;"Phil Aiken" <paiken@partners.org> wrote:
>>
>>Anyone here made the switch or use both?
>>Thoughts?
>>
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I need it to calculate reverberation decay.
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Thanks,
Brandon
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the report, Dedric.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with plugins?
>
> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
> too bad..
>
> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
> Room) is some good stuff.
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>
>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
> the
>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>
>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>
>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
>>> (Lol) ;)
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>> on a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
> is
>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>OK,
Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that there
is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped from
two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline, the
audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris with no
problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will need
both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
Cubase SX.
I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL Cooper
Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving Cubase
SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded in
accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
realization that my life would have no further purpose.
;o)Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output is
hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO
positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if the RME
transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not chasing the
Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning of an
audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface selected) so
that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase SX
works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from multiple
submixes in Paris.
Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do the
trick.
Deej
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> OK,
>
> Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
there
> is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
> slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped from
> two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
> causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline, the
> audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris with
no
> problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
need
> both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
> Cubase SX.
>
> I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
Cooper
> Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
Cubase
> SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>
> Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded
in
> accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
> realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>
> ;o)
>
>The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all between
Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay tuned.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
> Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output is
> hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO
> positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if the
RME
> transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not chasing
the
> Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning of an
> audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>
> Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface selected)
so
> that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase SX
> works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
multiple
> submixes in Paris.
>
> Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do the
> trick.
>
> Deej
>
>
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> > OK,
> >
> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
> there
> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
from
> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
the
> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
with
> no
> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
> need
> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
> > Cubase SX.
> >
> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
> Cooper
> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
> Cubase
> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >
> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded
> in
> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
> > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
>
>With the multiple computers in my home network I decided to take the splurge
and install the Vista RC1 on one of my computers that is just kinda sitting
there... I gotta say, I like it. Been playing with it off and on for about
2 weeks now... It does have quite a few software/driver issues still. From
what I hear, it's many times better than the last beta release. AND IT'S so
much secure than virii cancerous XP. Here's a nice little article about
Vista.
http://news.com.com/Piecing+together+Windows+Vista/2009-1016 _3-6050105.html?tag=st.ref.goo
Anyway, has anyone taken the time to try Vista RC1 with Paris?
I searched around this newsgroup and can't really find anyone commenting or
stating they tried. But my outlook data is limited and only goes back a few
months... I am positive I am going to upgrade to Vista when it's
released... at least on my notebooks... cause I really hate XP! Sure would
be nice to get Paris working on a secure OS... anyone?Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. The
jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that are
clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
Deej
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
between
> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
tuned.
>
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
is
> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO
> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if the
> RME
> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not chasing
> the
> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning of
an
> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
> >
> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
selected)
> so
> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase SX
> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
> multiple
> > submixes in Paris.
> >
> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do the
> > trick.
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> >
> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> > > OK,
> > >
> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
> > there
> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX
is
> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
> from
> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
cards
> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
> the
> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
> with
> > no
> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
> > need
> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
> > > Cubase SX.
> > >
> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
> > Cooper
> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
> > Cubase
> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> > >
> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
succeeded
> > in
> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> > >
> > > ;o)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>Ed,
The Vista OS completely changes the manner in which applications run on the
operating system (in a protected space), breaking at least half of the apps
that are out there today. The printing and scanning subsystems are totally
new and most of the bi-directional communications that are available in these
types of devices completely breaks Vista.
However, PARIS 4.0 should run on Vista just fine! ;-)
I suggest not even attempting as it will be a total waste of time. Stick
with XP (or Mac OS 9.2) for PARIS. Disconnect the machine from the Internet
and strip out all of the unnecessary Windows tasks.
MHO,
Mark
"Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>With the multiple computers in my home network I decided to take the splurge
>and install the Vista RC1 on one of my computers that is just kinda sitting
>there... I gotta say, I like it. Been playing with it off and on for about
>2 weeks now... It does have quite a few software/driver issues still.
From
>what I hear, it's many times better than the last beta release. AND IT'S
so
>much secure than virii cancerous XP. Here's a nice little article about
>Vista.
>
> http://news.com.com/Piecing+together+Windows+Vista/2009-1016 _3-6050105.html?tag=st.ref.goo
>
>Anyway, has anyone taken the time to try Vista RC1 with Paris?
>I searched around this newsgroup and can't really find anyone commenting
or
>stating they tried. But my outlook data is limited and only goes back a
few
>months... I am positive I am going to upgrade to Vista when it's
>released... at least on my notebooks... cause I really hate XP! Sure would
>be nice to get Paris working on a secure OS... anyone?
>
>looks like it's time to set up a third computer with a basic music app..that
can send a start/stop signal to an external clock module which all your
goodies can then sync to
or not
Don
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45241cfe$1@linux...
> Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
> clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. The
> jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
> between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that are
> clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
> Deej
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
> between
>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
> tuned.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
> is
>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO
>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if
>> > the
>> RME
>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
>> > chasing
>> the
>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning of
> an
>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>> >
>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
> selected)
>> so
>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
>> > SX
>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
>> multiple
>> > submixes in Paris.
>> >
>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do
>> > the
>> > trick.
>> >
>> > Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>> > > OK,
>> > >
>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
>> > there
>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX
> is
>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>> from
>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
> cards
>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
>> the
>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>> with
>> > no
>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>> > > will
>> > need
>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
>> > > to
>> > > Cubase SX.
>> > >
>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
>> > Cooper
>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
>> > Cubase
>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>> > >
>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
> succeeded
>> > in
>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>> > > sudden
>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>> > >
>> > > ;o)
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>DJ'
I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a Dualcore
intel box and
2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of time
and
brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think you
would be
better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to believe.
I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore Intel
box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
respect
Nappy
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. The
>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that are
>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>Deej
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
>between
>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
>tuned.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
>is
>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if ASIO
>> &
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cards/submixes seems to be the culprit. I have also tried it without any
external hardware boxes being attached to the RME cards in the SX DAW. Makes
no difference. Oh well, I can live with the scenario I was using before but
it doesn't sound quite as good as what I am trying to do with using SX
solely as an FX processor.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:45242948$1@linux...
> looks like it's time to set up a third computer with a basic music
app..that
> can send a start/stop signal to an external clock module which all your
> goodies can then sync to
>
>
> or not
>
> Don
>
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45241cfe$1@linux...
> > Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both
systems
> > clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
The
> > jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
> > between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
are
> > clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
> > Deej
> >
> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
> >> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
> > between
> >> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
> > tuned.
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
> >> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync
output
> > is
> >> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
ASIO
> >> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if
> >> > the
> >> RME
> >> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
> >> > chasing
> >> the
> >> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
of
> > an
> >> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
> >> >
> >> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
> > selected)
> >> so
> >> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
> >> > SX
> >> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
> >> multiple
> >> > submixes in Paris.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do
> >> > the
> >> > trick.
> >> >
> >> > Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> >> > > OK,
> >> > >
> >> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
that
> >> > there
> >> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
When
> >> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
SX
> > is
> >> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being
looped
> >> from
> >> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
> > cards
> >> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> >> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
plugin
> >> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
timeline,
> >> the
> >> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to
Paris
> >> with
> >> > no
> >> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
> >> > > will
> >> > need
> >> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
> >> > > to
> >> > > Cubase SX.
> >> > >
> >> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a
JL
> >> > Cooper
> >> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
slaving
> >> > Cubase
> >> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
> > succeeded
> >> > in
> >> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
> >> > > sudden
> >> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> >> > >
> >> > > ;o)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone have a broadband pink noise burst they can email me?
Go here:
http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/testwavs/DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin I
used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
and work around them.
Dedric
On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
> plugins?
>
> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
> too bad..
>
> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
> Room) is some good stuff.
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>
>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
> the
>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>
>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>
>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
>>> (Lol) ;)
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>> on a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
> is
>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>>>>
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for a
while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone FX
processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly from
SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the clocking
trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be the
loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
C'est la ****'in vie
;o)
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> OK,
>
> Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
there
> is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
> slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped from
> two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
> causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline, the
> audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris with
no
> problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
need
> both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
> Cubase SX.
>
> I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
Cooper
> Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
Cubase
> SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>
> Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded
in
> accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
> realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>
> ;o)
>
>Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
Neil
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
I
>used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
>sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>
>I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>
>The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
>I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
>5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>
>The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
>are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
>easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
>and work around them.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
>> plugins?
>>
>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
have
>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
is
>> too bad..
>>
>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
>> Room) is some good stuff.
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>>
>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
>> the
>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>>
>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>>
>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
it!!
>>>> (Lol) ;)
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
own
>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>> the
>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
run
>>>> on a
>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>> it
>>>> has
>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
files
>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>> cool
>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>> form
>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>> of
>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
Not
>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
in
>> Media
>>>>> Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
feels
>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
without
>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>> with
>>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>> on
>>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
not
>>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
comp
>>>> eats
>>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
One
>> is
>>>> a
>>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>> a
>>>> few
>>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>> up
>>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>> for
>>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>> dim,
>>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>> a
>>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
select
>>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>> mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>On 5 Oct 2006 08:48:26 +1000, "Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>This is a must-read (therefore you must read it):
>
>http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1004061iggypop1.html
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!
This is truly clasic, and will be shared with all sound guys I know...
pabWould that be the same as *suckage*?
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452482f7$1@linux...
>
> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>
> Neil
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
> I
> >used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
> >sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
> >
> >I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
> >
> >The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
C4.
> >I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
with
> >5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
> >
> >The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
palettes
> >are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
> >easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
projects
> >and work around them.
> >
> >Dedric
> >
> >On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
> ><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
> >> plugins?
> >>
> >> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> have
> >> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> is
> >> too bad..
> >>
> >> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
(Control
> >> Room) is some good stuff.
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
crushing
> >> the
> >>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Dedric,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
> >>>>
> >>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> it!!
> >>>> (Lol) ;)
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> own
> >>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
took
> >> the
> >>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> run
> >>>> on a
> >>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
enough
> >> it
> >>>> has
> >>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
library).
> >>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
> >>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
loading
> >>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
Sound
> >>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
catalogs
> >>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> files
> >>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
> >>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
back,
> >>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> -
> >> cool
> >>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> >> form
> >>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
versions
> >>>> of
> >>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> Not
> >>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> in
> >> Media
> >>>>> Bay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> feels
> >>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> without
> >>>>> some bugs still, of course).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
plugins
> >>>> with
> >>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
chorus,
> >>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
depending
> >>>> on
> >>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
> not
> >>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
> comp
> >>>> eats
> >>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
> One
> >> is
> >>>> a
> >>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
quite
> >> a
> >>>> few
> >>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
stand
> >>>> up
> >>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
(albeit
> >>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 ad
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Messages: 2149
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ds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
feature
> >>>> for
> >>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
speaker
> >>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
outputs,
> >>>> dim,
> >>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
mixes,
> >> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
directly
> >> in
> >>>> the
> >>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
only
> >> a
> >>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
multi-output
> >>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
> select
> >>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
the
> >> mixer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dedric
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Would that be the same as *suckage*?
Yes, in a way, but not in the negative connotations
of "suckage", but rather in the "funneling power" type of
connotations.
OK, well, then that would be negative, too lol
Neil
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452482f7$1@linux...
>>
>> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
>> I
>> >used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals
-
>> >sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>> >
>> >I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>> >
>> >The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
>C4.
>> >I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
>with
>> >5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>> >
>> >The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
>palettes
>> >are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating -
much
>> >easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
>projects
>> >and work around them.
>> >
>> >Dedric
>> >
>> >On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> ><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks
with
>> >> plugins?
>> >>
>> >> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
>> have
>> >> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
>> is
>> >> too bad..
>> >>
>> >> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
>(Control
>> >> Room) is some good stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
>crushing
>> >> the
>> >>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> >>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hey Dedric,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
>> it!!
>> >>>> (Lol) ;)
>> >>>> Thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
>> own
>> >>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
>took
>> >> the
>> >>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle)
to
>> run
>> >>>> on a
>> >>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
>enough
>> >> it
>> >>>> has
>> >>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
>library).
>> >>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> >>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
>loading
>> >>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
>Sound
>> >>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>catalogs
>> >>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
>> files
>> >>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files,
in
>> >>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
>back,
>> >>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
>> -
>> >> cool
>> >>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for
free
>> >> form
>> >>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
>versions
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
>> Not
>> >>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
>> in
>> >> Media
>> >>>>> Bay.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand.
C4
>> feels
>> >>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
>> without
>> >>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
>plugins
>> >>>> with
>> >>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
>chorus,
>> >>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
>depending
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
>> not
>> >>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
>> comp
>> >>>> eats
>> >>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
>> One
>> >> is
>> >>>> a
>> >>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
>quite
>> >> a
>> >>>> few
>> >>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
>stand
>> >>>> up
>> >>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
>(albeit
>> >>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
>feature
>> >>>> for
>> >>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
>speaker
>> >>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
>outputs,
>> >>>> dim,
>> >>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
>mixes,
>> >> etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
>directly
>> >> in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
>only
>> >> a
>> >>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>multi-output
>> >>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert
to
>> select
>> >>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
>the
>> >> mixer.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dedric
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>everyone support over the years is appreciated. hydrorecords.com was
recently nominated for the Boston hip hop awards and lost to a deserving
bostonrap.com. I figured since I've lost interest in the site that this is
my chance to go out on top :)
Anyway, hopefully people should find their way here for PARIS support. Hey
theres only like 300 of us anyway.
Sometimes a song just kills me. Garth Brooks - The Dance for example.
Here's the latest:
http://www.megamart.us/cma/Rascal_Flatts_with_Kelly_Clarkson _-_What_Hurts_The_Most_(ACM)_-_videopimp.mpg"justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>Sometimes a song just kills me. Garth Brooks - The Dance for example.
>Here's the latest:
> http://www.megamart.us/cma/Rascal_Flatts_with_Kelly_Clarkson _-_What_Hurts_The_Most_(ACM)_-_videopimp.mpg
When Kelly Clarkson is at her best - like on the studio version
of "Sunce U Been Gone", she fuckin' rocks solid and is one of
the best female singers out there... but otherwise (like in
this video) she come across as just another chubby chick with a
microphone.
Neil"Neil" <OIOIU@I.com> wrote in message news:45248c5a$1@linux...
>
> "justcron" <justcron@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>Sometimes a song just kills me. Garth Brooks - The Dance for example.
>>Here's the latest:
>> http://www.megamart.us/cma/Rascal_Flatts_with_Kelly_Clarkson _-_What_Hurts_The_Most_(ACM)_-_videopimp.mpg
>
> When Kelly Clarkson is at her best - like on the studio version
> of "Sunce U Been Gone", she fuckin' rocks solid and is one of
> the best female singers out there... but otherwise (like in
> this video) she come across as just another chubby chick with a
> microphone.
Cool. I haven't really checked out much of her work. I thought she had a
couple badass songs I've been exposed to. I seriously loved her duet with
RF. Definitely chubby but I thought her timing on the beat was killer.I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the
Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio file
being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that would
normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of the
plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would certainly
explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT I/O
that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If
these processors were
upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking shenanigans
that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project sample
rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
Well.....it's just a thought........
;O)
Deej
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux...
> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for a
> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone FX
> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly
from
> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the clocking
> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be the
> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
>
> C'est la ****'in vie
>
> ;o)
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> > OK,
> >
> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
> there
> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
from
> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
the
> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
with
> no
> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
> need
> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
> > Cubase SX.
> >
> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
> Cooper
> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
> Cubase
> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >
> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded
> in
> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
> > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
>
>also, I've tried to make paris.hydrorecords.com redirect to
webnews.parisnewsgroup.com but I'm getting a no redirect error no matter
what I do URL Redirect or URL Framehaha free the weed
*goes and grabs a beer and a cigarillo*
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:drgsh25ebkn94dpct70mnga177oksef0a9@4ax.com...
> "It's a good thing I had a bag of marijuana instead of a bag of
> spinach or
> I'd be dead now"I haven't made any direct comparisons with Nuendo 3, but overall it seems
better - more stable - no jumping cpu spikes. I had C4 at 90% while playing
around the other day (multiband comp on a 5.1 buss eats up the cpu fast),
and it didn't flinch.
Dedric
On 10/4/06 9:58 PM, in article 452482f7$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com>
wrote:
>
> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>
> Neil
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
> I
>> used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
>> sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>>
>> I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>>
>> The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
>> I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
>> 5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>>
>> The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
>> are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
>> easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
>> and work around them.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
>>> plugins?
>>>
>>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> have
>>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> is
>>> too bad..
>>>
>>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
>>> (Control
>>> Room) is some good stuff.
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
>>> the
>>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> it!!
>>>>> (Lol) ;)
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> own
>>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>>> the
>>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> run
>>>>> on a
>>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>>> it
>>>>> has
>>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>>>>>> catalogs
>>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> files
>>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> -
>>> cool
>>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>>> form
>>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>>> of
>>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> Not
>>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> in
>>> Media
>>>>>> Bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> feels
>>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> without
>>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new bui
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Mon, 18 September 2006 22:11 |
ulfiyya
Messages: 25
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>> > cards
>> >> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>> >> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
> plugin
>> >> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
> timeline,
>> >> the
>> >> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to
> Paris
>> >> with
>> >> > no
>> >> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>> >> > > will
>> >> > need
>> >> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation
>> >> > > data
>> >> > > to
>> >> > > Cubase SX.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a
> JL
>> >> > Cooper
>> >> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
> slaving
>> >> > Cubase
>> >> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>> > succeeded
>> >> > in
>> >> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>> >> > > sudden
>> >> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ;o)
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
one...
It's not only me that's looking after you health
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
>
> DJ'
> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
> Dualcore
> intel box and
> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of time
> and
> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
> you
> would be
> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
> believe.
> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
> Intel
> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
>
> respect
> Nappy
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards. The
>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that are
>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>>Deej
>>
>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
>>between
>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
>>tuned.
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
>>is
>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
>>> > ASIO
>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even if
> the
>>> RME
>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
>>> > chasing
>>> the
>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
> of
>>an
>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>>> >
>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
>>selected)
>>> so
>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
> SX
>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
>>> multiple
>>> > submixes in Paris.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will do
> the
>>> > trick.
>>> >
>>> > Deej
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>>> > > OK,
>>> > >
>>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
>>> > > that
>>> > there
>>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
>>> > > When
>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
> SX
>>is
>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>>> from
>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>>cards
>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
>>> > > plugin
>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
>>> > > timeline,
>>> the
>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>>> with
>>> > no
>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
> will
>>> > need
>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
> to
>>> > > Cubase SX.
>>> > >
>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a
> JL
>>> > Cooper
>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
>>> > > slaving
>>> > Cubase
>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>>> > >
>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>>succeeded
>>> > in
>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>>> > > sudden
>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>>> > >
>>> > > ;o)
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Get rid of the song number or renumber in the correct sequence??
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4523ed4d$1@linux...
> Uhh... yes...
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>> Red what's!!!??? It is possible to click on the song number at the bottom
>> of
>> the file and name it. That's what I'm doing. Are you at the shop right
>> now?
>> ;o)
>>
>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4523ebfd$1@linux...
>>
>>>How are you naming them? Editing the name of the red tags?
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I figured I'd ask the question here first. I'm doing a compilation CD
>>
>> for a
>>
>>>>client here in Wavelab. The duplication house needs an audio master CD,
>>
>> not
>>
>>>>data files. When I rip the songs in WL, they show up as sequentially
>>>>numbered songs, no names. That's OK. I flythem into a Montage, name them
>>>>there then burn them to a CD. the song names again become sequentially
>>>>numbeed songs. The client wants the songs to how up by name. HTF do I do
>>>>this?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Martin,
We think alot alike,maybe it because we are about the same age;with in days!
I think? I was born 4 July 1956,you the 3rd of July if I remember correctly?
respect
Nappy
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
>one...
>It's not only me that's looking after you health
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
>>
>> DJ'
>> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
>> Dualcore
>> intel box and
>> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of
time
>> and
>> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
>> you
>> would be
>> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
>> believe.
>> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
>> Intel
>> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
>>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
The
>>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
are
>>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
>>>between
>>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
>>>tuned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
>>>is
>>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
>>>> > ASIO
>>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even
if
>> the
>>>> RME
>>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
>>>> > chasing
>>>> the
>>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
>> of
>>>an
>>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>>>> >
>>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
>>>selected)
>>>> so
>>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
>> SX
>>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
>>>> multiple
>>>> > submixes in Paris.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will
do
>> the
>>>> > trick.
>>>> >
>>>> > Deej
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>>>> > > OK,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
>>>> > > that
>>>> > there
>>>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
>>>> > > When
>>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
>> SX
>>>is
>>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>>>> from
>>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>>>cards
>>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
>>>> > > plugin
>>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
>>>> > > timeline,
>>>> the
>>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>>>> with
>>>> > no
>>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>> will
>>>> > need
>>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
>> to
>>>> > > Cubase SX.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to
a
>> JL
>>>> > Cooper
>>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
>>>> > > slaving
>>>> > Cubase
>>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>>>succeeded
>>>> > in
>>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>>>> > > sudden
>>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > ;o)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>you should see how deej makes toast...oy...264 ramblers standing on
end with the hoods removed about 3 inches apart. i mean it works but
just a tad excessive. but then, that's our deej isn't it.
On 5 Oct 2006 17:43:18 +1000, "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Martin,
>We think alot alike,maybe it because we are about the same age;with in days!
>I think? I was born 4 July 1956,you the 3rd of July if I remember correctly?
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
>
>>one...
>>It's not only me that's looking after you health
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> DJ'
>>> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
>>> Dualcore
>>> intel box and
>>> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of
>time
>>> and
>>> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
>
>>> you
>>> would be
>>> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
>
>>> believe.
>>> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
>
>>> Intel
>>> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
>>>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
>The
>>>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>>>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
>are
>>>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>>>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
>>>>between
>>>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
>>>>tuned.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>>>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
>>>>is
>>>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
>
>>>>> > ASIO
>>>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even
>if
>>> the
>>>>> RME
>>>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
>>>>> > chasing
>>>>> the
>>>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
>>> of
>>>>an
>>>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
>>>>selected)
>>>>> so
>>>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
>>> SX
>>>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> > submixes in Paris.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will
>do
>>> the
>>>>> > trick.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Deej
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>>>>> > > OK,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
>
>>>>> > > that
>>>>> > there
>>>>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
>
>>>>> > > When
>>>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
>>> SX
>>>>is
>>>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>>>>> from
>>>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>>>>cards
>>>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>>>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
>>>>> > > plugin
>>>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
>>>>> > > timeline,
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>>>>> with
>>>>> > no
>>>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>>> will
>>>>> > need
>>>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
>>> to
>>>>> > > Cubase SX.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to
>a
>>> JL
>>>>> > Cooper
>>>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
>>>>> > > slaving
>>>>> > Cubase
>>>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>>>>succeeded
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>
>>>>> > > sudden
>>>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > ;o)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate?
On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the
>Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio file
>being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that would
>normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of the
>plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would certainly
>explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT I/O
>that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
>Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If
>these processors were
>upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking shenanigans
>that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project sample
>rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
>
>Well.....it's just a thought........
>
>;O)
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux...
>> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for a
>> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone FX
>> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly
>from
>> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the clocking
>> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be the
>> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
>>
>> C'est la ****'in vie
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>> > OK,
>> >
>> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
>> there
>> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
>> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX is
>> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>from
>> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS cards
>> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
>> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
>the
>> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>with
>> no
>> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you will
>> need
>> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data to
>> > Cubase SX.
>> >
>> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
>> Cooper
>> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
>> Cubase
>> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>> >
>> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally succeeded
>> in
>> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this sudden
>> > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>> >
>> > ;o)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>and i'll agree just to look smart with them two above.
On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:00:11 -0600, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>Yah, what he said... ;-)
>
>David.
>
>David L wrote:
>
>> Click on the CD tab in the montage. Then click on the CD Text box. At the
>> bottom, move to the previous track so that you can give the CD a title, then
>> move though each of the tracks and give them names.
>>
>> DavidFound it...on Roxio's Japanese site
Just in case someone needs it, it's at:
http://www.roxio.jp/support/download/toast/mac_osx.html
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Apparently Roxio no longer has the 5.2.1 Updater on their site. Does anyone
>by chance have this?
>
>Thanks,
>DaleYou're right Nappy...life's too short....
--
Martin
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4524b796$1@linux...
>
> Martin,
> We think alot alike,maybe it because we are about the same age;with in
> days!
> I think? I was born 4 July 1956,you the 3rd of July if I remember
> correctly?
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
>
>>one...
>>It's not only me that's looking after you health
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> DJ'
>>> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
>>> Dualcore
>>> intel box and
>>> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of
> time
>>> and
>>> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
>
>>> you
>>> would be
>>> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
>
>>> believe.
>>> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
>
>>> Intel
>>> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both
>>>>systems
>>>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
> The
>>>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>>>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
> are
>>>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>>>
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Mon, 18 September 2006 23:22 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
|
|
;> > > When
>>>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
>>> SX
>>>>is
>>>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being
>>>>> > > looped
>>>>> from
>>>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>>>>cards
>>>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>>>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
>>>>> > > plugin
>>>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
>>>>> > > timeline,
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to
>>>>> > > Paris
>>>>> with
>>>>> > no
>>>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>>> will
>>>>> > need
>>>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation
>>>>> > > data
>>> to
>>>>> > > Cubase SX.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to
> a
>>> JL
>>>>> > Cooper
>>>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
>>>>> > > slaving
>>>>> > Cubase
>>>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>>>>succeeded
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>
>>>>> > > sudden
>>>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > ;o)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Yes, they are, but the UAD-1 upsamples during processing with the Fairchild,
1073, Pultec and some others.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gei9i2tdu1nimf16gnf75mfl7hsb0lpb82@4ax.com...
> aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate?
>
> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>
> >I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like
the
> >Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio
file
> >being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that
would
> >normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of
the
> >plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would
certainly
> >explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT
I/O
> >that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
> >Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If
> >these processors were
> >upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking
shenanigans
> >that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project
sample
> >rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
> >
> >Well.....it's just a thought........
> >
> >;O)
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux...
> >> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for
a
> >> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone
FX
> >> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly
> >from
> >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the
clocking
> >> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be
the
> >> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
> >>
> >> C'est la ****'in vie
> >>
> >> ;o)
> >>
> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> >> > OK,
> >> >
> >> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
> >> there
> >> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
> >> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX
is
> >> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
> >from
> >> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
cards
> >> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> >> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
> >> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
> >the
> >> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
> >with
> >> no
> >> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
will
> >> need
> >> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
to
> >> > Cubase SX.
> >> >
> >> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
> >> Cooper
> >> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
> >> Cubase
> >> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >> >
> >> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
succeeded
> >> in
> >> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
sudden
> >> > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> >> >
> >> > ;o)
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
>>no jumping cpu spikes
that's pretty major IMO. Probably worth the price of admission.
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C149F9B7.3FE4%dterry@keyofd.net...
> I haven't made any direct comparisons with Nuendo 3, but overall it seems
> better - more stable - no jumping cpu spikes. I had C4 at 90% while
playing
> around the other day (multiband comp on a 5.1 buss eats up the cpu fast),
> and it didn't flinch.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 10/4/06 9:58 PM, in article 452482f7$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >> DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX
plugin
> > I
> >> used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning
vocals -
> >> sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
> >>
> >> I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
> >>
> >> The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
C4.
> >> I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
with
> >> 5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
> >>
> >> The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
palettes
> >> are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating -
much
> >> easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
projects
> >> and work around them.
> >>
> >> Dedric
> >>
> >> On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks
with
> >>> plugins?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> > have
> >>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> > is
> >>> too bad..
> >>>
> >>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
> >>> (Control
> >>> Room) is some good stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
crushing
> >>> the
> >>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey Dedric,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> > it!!
> >>>>> (Lol) ;)
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> > own
> >>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
took
> >>> the
> >>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> > run
> >>>>> on a
> >>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
enough
> >>> it
> >>>>> has
> >>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
library).
> >>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
> >>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
loading
> >>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
Sound
> >>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
> >>>>>> catalogs
> >>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> > files
> >>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files,
in
> >>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
back,
> >>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> > -
> >>> cool
> >>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for
free
> >>> form
> >>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
versions
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> > Not
> >>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> > in
> >>> Media
> >>>>>> Bay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> > feels
> >>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> > without
> >>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
plugins
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
chorus,
> >>>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
depending
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
> > not
> >>>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
> > comp
> >>>>> eats
> >>>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
> > One
> >>> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
quite
> >>> a
> >>>>> few
> >>>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
stand
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
(albeit
> >>>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
feature
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
speaker
> >>>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
outputs,
> >>>>> dim,
> >>>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
mixes,
> >>> etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
directly
> >>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
only
> >>> a
> >>>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
> >>>>>> multi-output
> >>>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
> > select
> >>>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
the
> >>> mixer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dedric
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>June 29 1950 here.
;o)
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:4524b796$1@linux...
>
> Martin,
> We think alot alike,maybe it because we are about the same age;with in
days!
> I think? I was born 4 July 1956,you the 3rd of July if I remember
correctly?
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
>
> >one...
> >It's not only me that's looking after you health
> >--
> >Martin Harrington
> >www.lendanear-sound.com
> >
> >"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
> >>
> >> DJ'
> >> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
> >> Dualcore
> >> intel box and
> >> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of
> time
> >> and
> >> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
>
> >> you
> >> would be
> >> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
>
> >> believe.
> >> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
>
> >> Intel
> >> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
> >>
> >> respect
> >> Nappy
> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both
systems
> >>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
> The
> >>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
> >>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
> are
> >>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
> >>>Deej
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
> >>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
> >>>between
> >>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
> >>>tuned.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
> >>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync
output
> >>>is
> >>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
>
> >>>> > ASIO
> >>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even
> if
> >> the
> >>>> RME
> >>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
> >>>> > chasing
> >>>> the
> >>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
> >> of
> >>>an
> >>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
> >>>selected)
> >>>> so
> >>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and
Cubase
> >> SX
> >>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
> >>>> multiple
> >>>> > submixes in Paris.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will
> do
> >> the
> >>>> > trick.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Deej
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> >>>> > > OK,
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
>
> >>>> > > that
> >>>> > there
> >>>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
>
> >>>> > > When
> >>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while
Cubase
> >> SX
> >>>is
> >>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being
looped
> >>>> from
> >>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
> >>>cards
> >>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> >>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
> >>>> > > plugin
> >>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
> >>>> > > timeline,
> >>>> the
> >>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to
Paris
> >>>> with
> >>>> > no
> >>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
> >> will
> >>>> > need
> >>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation
data
> >> to
> >>>> > > Cubase SX.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to
> a
> >> JL
> >>>> > Cooper
> >>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
> >>>> > > slaving
> >>>> > Cubase
> >>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
> >>>succeeded
> >>>> > in
> >>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>
> >>>> > > sudden
> >>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ;o)
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>Ya know I actually understood that....scarey
would putting SX into record mode complete that circuit in the UAD?
DOn
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45248dc6@linux...
>I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the
> Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio
> file
> being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that
> would
> normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of
> the
> plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would
> certainly
> explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT
> I/O
> that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
> Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If
> these processors were
> upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking
> shenanigans
> that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project
> sample
> rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
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have my uad card
but thought they worked at the pre specified rate of the audio. maybe
you can put a dummy file in sx to lock the uad sample rate to match
the rest.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:02:41 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Yes, they are, but the UAD-1 upsamples during processing with the Fairchild,
>1073, Pultec and some others.
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gei9i2tdu1nimf16gnf75mfl7hsb0lpb82@4ax.com...
>> aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate?
>>
>> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like
>the
>> >Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio
>file
>> >being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that
>would
>> >normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate of
>the
>> >plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would
>certainly
>> >explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with ADAT
>I/O
>> >that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
>> >Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format. If
>> >these processors were
>> >upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking
>shenanigans
>> >that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project
>sample
>> >rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
>> >
>> >Well.....it's just a thought........
>> >
>> >;O)
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux...
>> >> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide for
>a
>> >> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a standalone
>FX
>> >> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks directly
>> >from
>> >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the
>clocking
>> >> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be
>the
>> >> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
>> >>
>> >> C'est la ****'in vie
>> >>
>> >> ;o)
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>> >> > OK,
>> >> >
>> >> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears that
>> >> there
>> >> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs. When
>> >> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase SX
>is
>> >> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>> >from
>> >> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>cards
>> >> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>> >> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have plugin
>> >> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris timeline,
>> >the
>> >> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>> >with
>> >> no
>> >> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>will
>> >> need
>> >> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
>to
>> >> > Cubase SX.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a JL
>> >> Cooper
>> >> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then slaving
>> >> Cubase
>> >> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>succeeded
>> >> in
>> >> > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>sudden
>> >> > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>> >> >
>> >> > ;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>then he'd be in my world.
On 5 Oct 2006 23:21:11 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Martin, I'm with you & Nappy. I like tinkering, too, but at
>some stage if something gets too convoluted, you start reaching
>a point of diminishing returns. Deej, have you considered that
>part of your issue with sync/lock might be that you're going in
>& out of both machines in digital? What would happen if you
>switched to analog? I mean, you've got good convertors on both
>ends there, so I'd hardly think signal degradation would be a
>problem.
>
>Either that or just track in Paris, export the files so you can
>mix in SX (even upsample to 96k on the way in, if you must!) so
>you can use all your EFX, but use four submixes out of your
>Multiface analog outs, then back into your Paris box to sum in
>live mode. That way you get to hit those Paris convertors one
>more time, in fact. :)
>
>Heck, with most of the stuff you do (bluegrass, folkish stuff,
>etc) "clean" is good... you could live perfectly happily with
>just SX & those nice clean RME convertors.
>
>Heaven forbid! lol
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Huh, that's funny, I didn't read Nappy's post until I sent the previous
>
>>one...
>>It's not only me that's looking after you health
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45242cc2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> DJ'
>>> I'm starting to think it may be time for you to make the jump to a
>>> Dualcore
>>> intel box and
>>> 2 UAD PCI-e cards running Cubase 4. I know you have invested alot of
>time
>>> and
>>> brain power into this,lord knows I'm exhausted just reading it. I think
>
>>> you
>>> would be
>>> better using PARIS as a summing buss. At least thats what I'm coming to
>
>>> believe.
>>> I'm going to use my old B&W G3 for my PARIS system and build a Dualcore
>
>>> Intel
>>> box and run Cubase 4 and be done with it.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>Hmmm......this just may not be possible to achieve. I've got both systems
>>>>clocked to the Lucid....No ADAT sync is interfaced with the RME cards.
>The
>>>>jury is still out on whether or not this is going to fly. The latency
>>>>between EDS cards and the audio being streamed from ADAT modules that
>are
>>>>clocked to those cards may be an insurmountable issue here.
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240fc0@linux...
>>>>> The Cubase rig just crashed while not receiving any sync info at all
>>>>between
>>>>> Paris and Cubase. Not good. I've got another trick up my sleeve. Stay
>>>>tuned.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:45240db7@linux...
>>>>> > Further repeated testing has verified that when Paris ADAT sync output
>>>>is
>>>>> > hooked directly up to the RME audio interface ADAT sync input, if
>
>>>>> > ASIO
>>>>> > positioning protocall is selected as the Cubase sync sounce, even
>if
>>> the
>>>>> RME
>>>>> > transport is set to internal so that the Cubase transport is not
>>>>> > chasing
>>>>> the
>>>>> > Paris timeline, Cubase will crash within 5 seconds of the beginning
>>> of
>>>>an
>>>>> > audio track from Submix 2/card B/MEC 2 starting to play.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Setting sync source in Cubase SX to MTC (with no midi interface
>>>>selected)
>>>>> so
>>>>> > that there is no interfacing between the Paris ADAT module and Cubase
>>> SX
>>>>> > works fine......no crashes of cubase SX when processing tracks from
>>>>> multiple
>>>>> > submixes in Paris.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks for you input on this Dave. Hopefully the Datasync II will
>do
>>> the
>>>>> > trick.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Deej
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
>>>>> > > OK,
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
>
>>>>> > > that
>>>>> > there
>>>>> > > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
>
>>>>> > > When
>>>>> > > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
>>> SX
>>>>is
>>>>> > > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being looped
>>>>> from
>>>>> > > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
>>>>cards
>>>>> > > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
>>>>> > > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
>>>>> > > plugin
>>>>> > > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
>>>>> > > timeline,
>>>>> the
>>>>> > > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to Paris
>>>>> with
>>>>> > no
>>>>> > > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
>>> will
>>>>> > need
>>>>> > > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation data
>>> to
>>>>> > > Cubase SX.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to
>a
>>> JL
>>>>> > Cooper
>>>>> > > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
>>>>> > > slaving
>>>>> > Cubase
>>>>> > > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
>>>>succeeded
>>>>> > in
>>>>> > > accomplishing everything I started out to do and there was this
>
>>>>> > > sudden
>>>>> > > realization that my life would have no further purpose.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > ;o)
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>-- and it works: you really do look smarter...
chas.
-- byt the way -- thanks DL and Deej for bringing this up -- I now
know something about WaveLab that I didn't know before... CD's will
leave here from now on chock-full of useful info. Gracias.
On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 05:14:58 -0400, rick <parnell68@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>and i'll agree just to look smart with them two above.
>
>
>
>On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:00:11 -0600, EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Yah, what he said... ;-)
>>
>>David.
>>
>>David L wrote:
>>
>>> Click on the CD tab in the montage. Then click on the CD Text box. At the
>>> bottom, move to the previous track so that you can give the CD a title, then
>>> move though each of the tracks and give them names.
>>>
>>> DavidThanks LaMont!
respect
Nappy
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Imho.. :) Pro Tools Sounds the best, and works for pretty much for all Genres
>fo music and it's mixer is very flexible.
>
>Now, Cubase's editing,workflow, and sound quality makes it a formidiable
>weapon, as well as it's price.
>
>For me, SX & Neundo cannot handle the mid to big mixes (40 Plus) with plug-ins,
>mixng agressivley. The summing bus (to me) seems to breakdown when.
>If you mix safe(staying in the -4 -6 db)ranges on your channels, then SX/neundo
>will be fine.
>
>Pro Tools Le/M-Powered-Has that nice, vry true top end sound that's heard
>on many records. Sufiice it to, it's very easy to mix on PT (LE/M_)..
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>LaMont and others,
>>Who does the best job on the audio side between Cubase and Pro Tools Le?
>>I'm still trying to decide between the two. I can get a academic version
>>of
>>M-Powered Pro Tools le for $150 as long as I want to use M-audio a interface.
>>Considering a Project Mix I/O.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's
>the
>>>>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
own
>>>>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>>the
>>>>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
run
>>>>on a
>>>>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>>it
>>>>has
>>>>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
files
>>>>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>>cool
>>>>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>form
>>>>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>>of
>>>>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>>Media
>>>>>Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
feels
>>>>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>>>some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>>with
>>>>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>>on
>>>>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>>>eats
>>>>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>>>is
>>>>a
>>>>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>>a
>>>>few
>>>>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>>up
>>>>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>>for
>>>>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>>dim,
>>>>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>>etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>>in
>>>>the
>>>>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>>>a
>>>>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
select
>>>>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>>mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I did some dates with Will D in South Africa (Johannesburg & Durban). It was
an amazing trip and though we were there to work, I was able to take in a
few sites....the home of Nelson Mandela in Soweto, The Apartheid Museum and
an animal reserve.
The flight was 17 hours, and going there went without incident, but coming
home proved quite disturbing. About 40 minutes into the flight leaving Johannesburg,
I noticed a young man (in a group of about 5) looking around quite nervously,
then proceed to use his cell phone. The plane was sparsely filled, so no
else noticed it. I was about to get a flight attendant, but one happened
upon him and asked him to put the phone away. He did so, but it left an uneasy
feeling none the less.
Once we landed in Dakar (about 8 hours later) the gentlemen de-boarded the
plane and the carrier (or TSA..not sure who) did a massive search of the
plane. They asked us to remove our luggage from the overheads and to move
from our seats. They brought on about 20 workers who checked under the seat
cushions as well as the headrest. Once they reached the area where the gentleman
with the phone was seated, I watched as they pulled a dinner knife from deep
within the headrest. In all, they found 3 dinner knives hidden in the seat
cushions. I am not certain who hid the knives, but that point is mute to
me.
After the search was over, the flight attendant went down the aisle saying
there was a passenger missing who did not de-board the plane in Dakar as
planned. Needless to say, I did not sleep those 17 hours coming home. Upon
my return, I spoke with one of my colleagues who had left the day before
I did and although he did not notice that there were any items found during
the search, he did share that there was a passenger missing at Dakar as well.
Boarding the plane (returning to the US) was the tightest boarding procedure
I have ever witnessed. After having our luggage screened at the security
check point, we had our personal items scanned again at the gate...then were
patted down...then tickets checked again...then given a boarding pass and
finally returning the boarding pass at the door of the plane....yet there
were still discrepancies with passengers being missing landing in Dakar.
Not sure what else to say.I assume you don't know then? I have been testing the last Beta and the RC1
on a separate PC... M$ has made a remarkable come back from Beta to RC1.
My question is... has anyone tested Paris with it? I am in a downtime soon
and I may do just that. Waste my time, hmmm. There are some apps that
don't work in Vista... but there are many that now do work in Vista RC1
because a few slow ones at M$ apparently didn't catch up till RC1.
Lastly... I don't use XP and never will use that virii infested piece of
shit OS... with so many holes and too many phone homes for me.... I'll
stick with 2000 until something better comes along.
"Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
news:4524273d$1@linux...
>
> Ed,
>
> The Vista OS completely changes the manner in which applications run on
> the
> operating system (in a protected space), breaking at least half of the
> apps
> that are out there today. The printing and scanning subsystems are totally
> new and most of the bi-directional communications that are available in
> these
> types of devices completely breaks Vista.
>
> However, PARIS 4.0 should run on Vista just fine! ;-)
>
> I suggest not even attempting as it will be a total waste of time. Stick
> with XP (or Mac OS 9.2) for PARIS. Disconnect the machine from the
> Internet
> and strip out all of the unnecessary Windows tasks.
>
> MHO,
>
> Mark
>
> "Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>With the multiple computers in my home network I decided to take the
>>splurge
>
>>and install the Vista RC1 on one of my computers that is just kinda
>>sitting
>
>>there... I gotta say, I like it. Been playing with it off and on for
>>about
>
>>2 weeks now... It does have quite a few software/driver issues still.
> From
>>what I hear, it's many times better than the last beta release. AND IT'S
> so
>>much secure than virii cancerous XP. Here's a nice little article about
>
>>Vista.
>>
>> http://news.com.com/Piecing+together+Windows+Vista/2009-1016 _3-6050105.html?tag=st.ref.goo
>>
>>Anyway, has anyone taken the time to try Vista RC1 with Paris?
>>I searched around this newsgroup and can't really find anyone commenting
> or
>>stating they tried. But my outlook data is limited and only goes back a
> few
>>months... I am positive I am going to upgrade to Vista when it's
>>released... at least on my notebooks... cause I really hate XP! Sure
>>would
>
>>be nice to get Paris working on a secure OS... anyone?
>>
>>
>I am not Mark... but you broke into my thread... ;)~
The answer is yes. I assume you have a router for your home network? Just
disable those computers in the router.
"Robert Arsenault" <studiomanitou@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:45253e19@linux...
> That raises a question that you might be able to answer for me Mark. Is
> there a way to keep my Paris box hooked up to my home network for easy
> file transfers but not have it hooked up to the web at all? I'm kinda
> green when it comes to networking...!!
>
> Rob A
>
>
> "Mark McDermott" <mark@stateofwail.com> wrote in message
> news:4524273d$1@linux...
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> The Vista OS completely changes the manner in which applications run on
>> the
>> operating system (in a protected space), breaking at least half of the
>> apps
>> that are out there today. The printing and scanning subsystems are
>> totally
>> new and most of the bi-directional communications that are available in
>> these
>> types of devices completely breaks Vista.
>>
>> However, PARIS 4.0 should run on Vista just fine! ;-)
>>
>> I suggest not even attempting as it will be a total waste of time. Stick
>> with XP (or Mac OS 9.2) for PARIS. Disconnect the machine from the
>> Internet
>> and strip out all of the unnecessary Windows tasks.
>>
>> MHO,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> "Ed" <AskMe@email.com> wrote:
>>>With the multiple computers in my home network I decided to take the
>>>splurge
>>
>>>and install the Vista RC1 on one of my computers that is just kinda
>>>sitting
>>
>>>there... I gotta say, I like it. Been playing with it off and on for
>>>about
>>
>>>2 weeks now... It does have quite a few software/driver issues still.
>> From
>>>what I hear, it's many times better than the last beta release. AND IT'S
>> so
>>>much secure than virii cancerous XP. Here's a nice little article about
>>
>>>Vista.
>>>
>>> http://news.com.com/Piecing+together+Windows+Vista/2009-1016 _3-6050105.html?tag=st.ref.goo
>>>
>>>Anyway, has anyone taken the time to try Vista RC1 with Paris?
>>>I searched around this newsgroup and can't really find anyone commenting
>> or
>>>stating they tried. But my outlook data is limited and only goes back a
>> few
>>>months... I am positive I am going to upgrade to Vista when it's
>>>released... at least on my notebooks... cause I really hate XP! Sure
>>>would
>>
>>>be nice to get Paris working on a secure OS... anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Hedin there this winter for some training, would love to hang with fellow
Parisites.
RobWas this a Sony? lol.
"Robert Arsenault" <studiomanitou@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:45250c0c@linux...
> Everything is frozen solid, no mouse , keybrd, hard reset needed. Also,
> Paris has been flaky for the past month or so, all kinds of digital pops,
> I'm working, all of a sudden, graphic display on all 3 monitors goes to
> gibberish, need to hard reset. Re-seated all cards,ram, IDE cables,
> cleaned MEC /EDS connectors, re-imaged my OS drive.
> Then I noticed during tonight's crash that the LEDs on the front of the
> 442 were dimming in and out = bad pwr supply. So I decide to swap the pwr
> supply and looky looky what I found.
>
> I have a long session booked for this evening so decide to try a fix.
> Ended up replacing the connector on the mobo with one I had off an old
> brd, spliced a used connector onto the pwr supply side, so far so good.
>
> Just thought I'd share my grief and fix with others.
> Rob
>
>Rick,
some UAD-1 plugins upsample the signal while processing it......the sneaky
bastards.
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:mujai210kurc2or3ne8ek78h4coqmv54pi@4ax.com...
> are we talking bit rate or sample rate? i no longer have my uad card
> but thought they worked at the pre specified rate of the audio. maybe
> you can put a dummy file in sx to lock the uad sample rate to match
> the rest.
>
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 06:02:41 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>
> >Yes, they are, but the UAD-1 upsamples during processing with the
Fairchild,
> >1073, Pultec and some others.
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:gei9i2tdu1nimf16gnf75mfl7hsb0lpb82@4ax.com...
> >> aren't all the machines set to the same sample rate?
> >>
> >> On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 22:44:51 -0600, "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I wonder if this isn't working because some of the UAD-1 plugins (like
> >the
> >> >Neve EQ for instance) are upsampling what is essentially a Paris audio
> >file
> >> >being played *through* SX with none of the downsampling possible that
> >would
> >> >normally be part of the DSP process in SX to resolve the sample rate
of
> >the
> >> >plugin to the project sample rate/clock source. If so, that would
> >certainly
> >> >explain some things. It might also explain why the UAD-1 card with
ADAT
> >I/O
> >> >that was on the boards a few years ago went nowhere and why the POCO,
> >> >Duende, etc. do not have digital I/O and only work in a plugin format.
If
> >> >these processors were
> >> >upsampling/downsampling in real time, the SR converters/clocking
> >shenanigans
> >> >that would be necessary to bring the audio signal back to the project
> >sample
> >> >rate would put the pricepoint through the roof.
> >> >
> >> >Well.....it's just a thought........
> >> >
> >> >;O)
> >> >
> >> >Deej
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452475f8@linux...
> >> >> Well.........I'm baffled by this and I'm just going to let it slide
for
> >a
> >> >> while. Looping audio *through* SX so that it functions as a
standalone
> >FX
> >> >> processor has been a total bust so far. OTOH, streaming tracks
directly
> >> >from
> >> >> SX (lots of them) to Paris and summing there does not create the
> >clocking
> >> >> trainwreck that looping through the inserts does. I guess it must be
> >the
> >> >> loop that is causing it as opposed to the one way trip.
> >> >>
> >> >> C'est la ****'in vie
> >> >>
> >> >> ;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote in message news:452403c4@linux...
> >> >> > OK,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Before you guys start getting too exicted about this, it appears
that
> >> >> there
> >> >> > is one more hoop to jump through if you are using multiple MECs.
When
> >> >> > looping audio from Paris *through* Cubase SX channels while Cubase
SX
> >is
> >> >> > slaved to Paris ADAT sync, Cubase crashes once audio is being
looped
> >> >from
> >> >> > two different MECs. This is likely due to the latency between EDS
> >cards
> >> >> > causing a trainwreck with the clocking.
> >> >> > This will not be an issue to those who are not wanting to have
plugin
> >> >> > automation in SX. As long as SX is not slaving to the Paris
timeline,
> >> >the
> >> >> > audio passes through the audio interface on Cubase and back to
Paris
> >> >with
> >> >> no
> >> >> > problem. If, however, you want to automate plugin parameters, you
> >will
> >> >> need
> >> >> > both machines timeline synced so that you can write automation
data
> >to
> >> >> > Cubase SX.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I am hoping to solve this problem by sending Paris ADAT sync to a
JL
> >> >> Cooper
> >> >> > Datasync II unit which converts ADAT timecode to MTC and then
slaving
> >> >> Cubase
> >> >> > SX to incoming MTC form the Datasync II.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank goodness for yet another kludge. I thought I had finally
> >succeeded
> >> >> in
> >>
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t 40 minutes into the flight leaving Johannesburg,
>I noticed a young man (in a group of about 5) looking around quite nervously,
>then proceed to use his cell phone. The plane was sparsely filled, so no
>else noticed it. I was about to get a flight attendant, but one happened
>upon him and asked him to put the phone away. He did so, but it left an
uneasy
>feeling none the less.
>
>Once we landed in Dakar (about 8 hours later) the gentlemen de-boarded the
>plane and the carrier (or TSA..not sure who) did a massive search of the
>plane. They asked us to remove our luggage from the overheads and to move
>from our seats. They brought on about 20 workers who checked under the seat
>cushions as well as the headrest. Once they reached the area where the gentleman
>with the phone was seated, I watched as they pulled a dinner knife from
deep
>within the headrest. In all, they found 3 dinner knives hidden in the seat
>cushions. I am not certain who hid the knives, but that point is mute to
>me.
>
>After the search was over, the flight attendant went down the aisle saying
>there was a passenger missing who did not de-board the plane in Dakar as
>planned. Needless to say, I did not sleep those 17 hours coming home. Upon
>my return, I spoke with one of my colleagues who had left the day before
>I did and although he did not notice that there were any items found during
>the search, he did share that there was a passenger missing at Dakar as
well.
>
>Boarding the plane (returning to the US) was the tightest boarding procedure
>I have ever witnessed. After having our luggage screened at the security
>check point, we had our personal items scanned again at the gate...then
were
>patted down...then tickets checked again...then given a boarding pass and
>finally returning the boarding pass at the door of the plane....yet there
>were still discrepancies with passengers being missing landing in Dakar.
>
>Not sure what else to say.
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I got a screenshot of this black/blue skin but nothing more. Is there a way
to make paris go black and blue?
Just wishing. Maybe black/blue will do latency comp automatically. hehe
John
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