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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72433 is a reply to message #72413] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 04:36   |
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72434 is a reply to message #72399] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 04:39 |
John [1]
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@net.net" target="_blank">notachance@net.net> wrote:
>HEY!!!!........you're supposed to be getting some shuteye. Go back to bed!!
Shuteye? Me?
No I'm at work. It's 10:53am. I've been up for hours!
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>;o)
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>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451c5f48$1@linux...
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>> Well that sounds just excellent. :o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hi to all.
>> >Thats good news for us Parisians.
>> >Matt Craig has contacted me about his reverb and some other goodies !!!
>> and
>> >he told me some things that are only good news.
>> >I will leave it up to him to decide when an what to announce.
>> >Happy Paris to everyone.
>> >Regards,
>> >Dimitrios
>>
>
>Yeah, they're around 100 clams. I got mine from Corner Music in Nashville.
Talk to Ray or Joel.
http://cornermusic.com/On 29 Sep 2006 00:27:40 +1000, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
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>>This one is plenty ballsy. I like it. Y'all got a followup
>>to "Big Buildings" coming soon?
>
>
>Yes, finally! Now that I can do it right with real drums
>(or "better", at least LOL).
>
>Thanks for the compliments - I'm pretty happy with the way that
>one turned out - a few mix tweaks & maybe a drum edit or two &
>it should be there. Started working on replacing the e-drums on
>another tune last night - trying to work out the parts.
>
Cool! If all the mixes have the low-end grunt like this one, it'll be
one hell of a sophomore effort.
Put me on the list for a copy.
pab http://cgi.ebay.com/NEUMANN-32-A-LATHE-WITH-FAIRCHILD-PLATTE R-NEUMANN_W0QQit
emZ290034697305QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3278QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItemOn Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:45:36 -0500, "Tony Benson"
<tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>I agree Paul. I loved the songs on those Asia albums, but they sound like
>complete crap! I also think in general, they were way to reverb heavy. I
>would love it if someone would do a good "proper" remix.
>
Yep.
I'm sure part of it was Downes as well...
I saw them on the first tour. They played a new song they'd been
working on called "The Smile Has Left Your Eyes".
Wetton doing just vox. Palmer standing up front playing a simple
pattern on some sort of drum machine (based on the era, probably a
Linn), Downes playing piano, and Howe playing acoustic.
Simple, beautiful. Stunning song. Couldn't wait for it to be
recorded.
Then "Alpha" got released, and I was shocked. Saddened. Infuritated.
"Smile" had become a bloated, overblown, overhyped, overproduced,
overorchestrated piece of keyboard-and bell-laden bombast. The
stunningly simple song I fell in love with was completely gone. Never
forgave them for that.
Too bad bootlegging technology of the time involved sneaking a tiny
cassette recorded under your coat - in the current era of DAT and CF
recorders and hi-performance condensers, I'd pay good money for a copy
of that concert.
pabwww.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
respect
Nappywww.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
respect
NappyOK, here it is, but you gotta make me a couple for
a finders fee... :-)
http://guitarideas.net/shop/index.php?action=item&id=65& amp;prevaction=category&previd=5&prevstart=0
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>I would think that would mar the finish on the neck.
>
>steve the artguy wrote:
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, I give up. I can't seem to find cam version on the internet. hmm
>>
>> John-
>>
>> I could make some out of some hard wood and a tablesaw/scrollsaw/nailfile
>> or whatever. I think it would be nice to have them made of wood, actually.
>> Just two circles mounted slightly off center would work. I could draw
something
>> up if you'd like... if I haven't made it suffficiently confusing...
>>
>> -steve"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
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>
Well, I like the Scully much better, but this would go good next to your
anechoic chamber.
GNot ye
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72443 is a reply to message #72399] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 10:28 |
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>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
Neil
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>HI,
>Sadly still MAC only so haven't been able to try it.
>Hopefully sounds better than some of the horrible effects that come with
>the Sapphire.
>We got some in stock that Focusrite sent to early to us. Told them not
>to bother till they had PC drivers. So we are sending them back till the
>driver ship. Probably not till December now.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>Nappy wrote:
>> www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind. Now
I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
;o)
"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>
> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
> thought I was you, or you me....
> Hope the new job is going well.
> The other Kim
>
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W as "Oh
> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
> >
> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
> >
> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kim.
>rick says I can't get near sheep after the last incident
"chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
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>Just put some sheepskin on it
>
>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>I would think that would mar the finish on the neck.
>>
>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>> Ok, I give up. I can't seem to find cam version on the internet. hmm
>>>
>>> John-
>>>
>>> I could make some out of some hard wood and a tablesaw/scrollsaw/nailfile
>>> or whatever. I think it would be nice to have them made of wood, actually.
>>> Just two circles mounted slightly off center would work. I could draw
>something
>>> up if you'd like... if I haven't made it suffficiently confusing...
>>>
>>> -steve
>My Paris just quit working and says I have to have this new thing to continue.
hmmmmHi Neil,
Haven't tried it out yet. Sold a few but they all went straight to the
customers. I haven't heard any negative responses yet from the customers
so I assuming is decent.
Sense we are not a retail store I can't just have a demo unit laying
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72444 is a reply to message #72443] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 11:52 |
John [1]
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around, especially at close to $3k.
The effects that come with the Sapphire have no reason to be on
hardware. They are very weak sounding. Much nicer plug ins are a
available for free out there. Plus the unit that has the effects is
$100.00 more than the one that doesn't and the cheaper one actually has
more analog I/O. Kinda Silly.
Chris
Neil wrote:
>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>
>Neil
>
>
>Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>>HI,
>>Sadly still MAC only so haven't been able to try it.
>>Hopefully sounds better than some of the horrible effects that come with
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>the Sapphire.
>>We got some in stock that Focusrite sent to early to us. Told them not
>>to bother till they had PC drivers. So we are sending them back till the
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>driver ship. Probably not till December now.
>>
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>Nappy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
>>>
>>>respect
>>>Nappy
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Chris Ludwig
>>ADK
>>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>(859) 635-5762
>>
>>
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--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
(859) 635-5762I have heard from folks who have used both, that the UAD-1 compressors have
a more realistic feel to them. The main complaint is that the attack/release
characteristics of compressors are not as realistic in convolution.
I have a video here that is about 175MB showing one of these processing a
trance track. I thought it was able to accomplish some pretty drastic
things, but it's hard to know from an MP4 whether or not these would be good
things or bad things.
I don't mean to slag this thing right out of the chute, and once they write
drivers for a *real* computer, I'm gonna probably give one a test drive. ;o)
Deej
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message
news:451d25e7@linux...
> Hi Neil,
> Haven't tried it out yet. Sold a few but they all went straight to the
> customers. I haven't heard any negative responses yet from the customers
> so I assuming is decent.
> Sense we are not a retail store I can't just have a demo unit laying
> around, especially at close to $3k.
> The effects that come with the Sapphire have no reason to be on
> hardware. They are very weak sounding. Much nicer plug ins are a
> available for free out there. Plus the unit that has the effects is
> $100.00 more than the one that doesn't and the cheaper one actually has
> more analog I/O. Kinda Silly.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Neil wrote:
>
> >Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
> >ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
> >dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
> >you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>HI,
> >>Sadly still MAC only so haven't been able to try it.
> >>Hopefully sounds better than some of the horrible effects that come with
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>the Sapphire.
> >>We got some in stock that Focusrite sent to early to us. Told them not
> >>to bother till they had PC drivers. So we are sending them back till the
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>driver ship. Probably not till December now.
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Nappy wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
> >>>
> >>>respect
> >>>Nappy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>--
> >>Chris Ludwig
> >>ADK
> >>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> >>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> >>(859) 635-5762
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762Definitely not a bad machine, but the Dell lets me a) drop the display and
b) add a cheap video card. The nVidia 6150 LE chipset shares main memory
which is usually a no-no for any real time work. I have a Dell spec'd out
for around $500 that looks pretty damn good. I just haven't pulled the trigger
on it quite yet.
I'll let y'all know how/if it works out,
TCB
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>How about this one instead?
>
> http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/HP-Pavilion-Media-Center-Desk top-PC-A1600N/sem/rpsm/oid/160199/catOid/-12962/rpem/ccd/pro ductDetail.do
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Room for an extra drive, or to replace the current one. 750 GB dr
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72447 is a reply to message #72444] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 13:39 |
uptown jimmy
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does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the original
units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of the
original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
if not “real”.
The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
sound.
The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big disappointment.
My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One reason
is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably certain
that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never get
both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use more
extensively in my room.
GeneMe too! especially since its a firewire unit.
respect
Nappy
"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Not yet, but I think I want one.
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>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>>www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LiquidMix/
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>>respect
>>Nappy
>Thanks Dimitrois..Matt, pleassssseee tell us some good Paris news.. We are
dying (on the vine)..Pleaseeee
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
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>Hi to all.
>Thats good news for us Parisians.
>Matt Craig has contacted me about his reverb and some other goodies !!!
and
>he told me some things that are only good news.
>I will leave it up to him to decide when an what to announce.
>Happy Paris to everyone.
>Regards,
>DimitriosThanks Gene,
Get back to us about the Liquid Mix,whats Duende?
respect
Nappy
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only algorithms
>are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the “container” for
the
>eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of the
>impulse responses.
>
>I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
quality
>is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but not
>always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the container
>does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the original
>units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
>all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
the
>original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
>if not “real”.
>
>The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
>to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
>sound.
>The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
>hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big disappointment.
>
>My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One reason
>is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably certain
>that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
get
>both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use more
>extensively in my room.
>
>Gene
>Lamont,
I know you are a big fan of the Akai MPC's,what do you think of the MPC 4000?
is it worth the money? I had been thinking of getting a used one,but I'm
leaning towards a Trigger finger and Ableton Live. I already have a laptop
and Reason so Live is looking better plus they seem to have frequent updates.
Let me know your thoughts. I'll be mixing in PARIS. Thanks in advance.
respect
NappyTo Think,
I almost sold my last Bundle-3
respect
Nappy
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
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>I'm ready for something new that's for sure!
>Can't wait.
>Tom
>
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> > Hi to all.
> > Thats good news for us Parisians.
> > Matt Craig has contacted me about his reverb and some other goodies
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> > he told me some things that are only good news.
> > I will leave it up to him to decide when an what to announce.
> > Happy Paris to everyone.
> > Regards,
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Fri, 15 September 2006 16:50 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7 Comp
/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris & PT-Mpowered..
Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring as
soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD. Like
the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing will
take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
Zero latency native thru a DAW..
All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!! And
the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>
>Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only algorithms
>are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the “container” for
the
>eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of the
>impulse responses.
>
>I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
quality
>is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but not
>always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the container
>does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the original
>units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
>all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
the
>original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
>if not “real”.
>
>The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
>to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
>sound.
>The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
>hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big disappointment.
>
>My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One reason
>is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably certain
>that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
get
>both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use more
>extensively in my room.
>
>Gene
>Thanks for weighing in. Looks like I'm in for a re-install. My Paris
configuration was perfect
before the clone process. So, Acronis may be the culprit or, maybe like
scott v, I should have tried Ghost.
Or it could have been pilot error. Like it usually is 8>)
I'll be going the route you suggested, Aaron.
cheers, Jim
Aaron Allen wrote:
> sounds like you may have your effect subsystem (XP) drivers set up wrong.
> Uninstall (if you installed) and be VERY diligent about the paths when you
> install again. Reboot after EVERY move. Uninstall, reboot. Install, reboot.
> Fire up Paris.
> Workin'?
> AA
>
> "JCampbell" <campbell1745@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:451c19d2@linux...
>> I cloned my system disk using Acronis and that part was smooth. Actually,
>> pretty straight forward. (I'm on XP pro Sp2).
>>
>> I had to re-install my Unitor8 Mkll (usb). Ok, no big deal even though
>> the install process makes about as much sense
>> as a monkey on crack. (Maybe I'm on crack and don't know it.)
>>
>> Now the good part... clicking on the Paris Pro icon causes an immediate
>> shutdown and re-boot. After re-boot,
>> there's one of those microshaft error boxes saying the computer has
>> recovered from a serious malfunction or whatever.
>>
>> Before I go trying to do a complete re-install of Paris does anyone have a
>> bit of advise on a possible
>> alternative to a complete re-install? I'm using 1 MEC, 1 C-16, and 2
>> cards, Intel Mobo & CPU. This set up has been stable for
>> years. Then again I don't do much heavy editing and tracking.
>>
>> Thanks very much, Jim
>
>LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves SSL
pluygins with Paris?
Thanks,
Deej
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>
> Hello To all,
> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
Comp
> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>
> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
PT-Mpowered..
> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
really
> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
heights.
> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring as
> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>
> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
Like
> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
sweet!!..
>
>
> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
will
> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>
> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
And
> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>
>
>
>
> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> >
> >"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
> >>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
> >>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
> >>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >
> >Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
algorithms
> >are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container" for
> the
> >eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of the
> >impulse responses.
> >
> >I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
> quality
> >is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
not
> >always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
disconcerting
> >to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
container
> >does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
original
> >units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
result,
> >all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
> the
> >original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
varied,
> >if not "real".
> >
> >The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
comparison
> >to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
TriTone
> >sound.
> >The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
> >hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
disappointment.
> >
> >My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
reason
> >is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
certain
> >that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72454 is a reply to message #72447] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 16:53 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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never
> get
> >both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
more
> >extensively in my room.
> >
> >Gene
> >
>Well, I can understand the tracks not sounding "finished", but what
surprised me most was the amount of hum and buzz and general low signal to
noise. I always assumed the "big boys" would take a lot of care to eliminate
that kind of stuff. I know I fret over a lot less in my tracks. Like I said,
I like the way his records sound. I guess that's why the noise surprised me
so much.
Tony
"Paul Artola" <artola@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:tn5ph214jrh4u6q7kpfcm8l8f5ftd1ro4h@4ax.com...
> Tony -
>
> I downloaded the tracks and played around with them a little, but
> never really got back into it. Someday, I will have time and "monkey"
> around with these tracks more earnestly. Kudos to Peter and Real World
> Studios for releasing these tracks.
>
> Since these are the raw tracks, I am not too surprised with their
> quality. I know my recordings start with pretty dull sounding tracks
> that then get polishing in the mixdown process. Of course, the
> difference between PG and me is that he is polishing gold nuggets,
> whereas I am polishing, well, you know what!
>
> - Paul Artola
> Ellicott City, Maryland
>
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:13:35 -0500, "Tony Benson"
> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>
>>Greetings Everyone!
>>
>>I know this is in reference to an "oldish" post, but I was wondering if
>>many
>>people downloaded these files. I did, but never got around to messing with
>>a
>>remix. Anyway, I was wondering what people's thoughts were on these
>>tracks.
>>I like Peter Gabriel, and always though his albums/CD's sounded great. I
>>assumed the raw tracks would be "pristine", but soloing these tracks, you
>>can hear all kinds of buzzing, hiss, and just a real noisy noise in
>>general.
>>I'm wondering if anyone else was surprised by this. I still think his
>>stuff
>>sounds great, it just threw me a little that the individual tracks would
>>be
>>so noisy. Comments?
>>
>>Tony
>I have some native plugs that I like a lot, and I'm sure the ones
you mentioned sound great, but what I need is MORE POWER,
SCOTTY!!! - or more precisely, less CPU load (rememeber, I'm
running at 24-bit/88.sk, and a LOT of tracks!), so the LiquidMix
or Duende are looking interesting to me.
Like the quikquak demo that I tested last night... takes up 20%
of my CPU power all by itself - sounds great, but I can't use
that kind of resource hog!
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hello To all,
>Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
Comp
>/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>
>So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris & PT-Mpowered..
>Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
>needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
as
>soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>
>These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD. Like
>the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
>
>
>With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
will
>take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>
>All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
And
>the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>
>
>
>
>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>
>>Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only algorithms
>>are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the “container” for
>the
>>eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of the
>>impulse responses.
>>
>>I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>quality
>>is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
not
>>always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>>to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the container
>>does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the original
>>units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
>>all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
>the
>>original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
>>if not “real”.
>>
>>The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
>>to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
>>sound.
>>The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
>>hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big disappointment.
>>
>>My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One reason
>>is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably certain
>>that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>get
>>both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
more
>>extensively in my room.
>>
>>Gene
>>
>Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your DAW
run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall performance
you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to me,
The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp excellerators
to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better performance
of these new plugins..
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves SSL
>pluygins with Paris?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>
>> Hello To all,
>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
7
>Comp
>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>
>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
>PT-Mpowered..
>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>really
>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our be
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Fri, 15 September 2006 16:55 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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loved Paris sound to newer
>heights.
>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
as
>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>
>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>Like
>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>sweet!!..
>>
>>
>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>will
>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>
>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>And
>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>> >>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>> >>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>> >>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>> >>
>> >>Neil
>> >>
>> >
>> >Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>algorithms
>> >are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container" for
>> the
>> >eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
the
>> >impulse responses.
>> >
>> >I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>> quality
>> >is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
>not
>> >always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>disconcerting
>> >to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>container
>> >does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>original
>> >units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>result,
>> >all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
of
>> the
>> >original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>varied,
>> >if not "real".
>> >
>> >The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>comparison
>> >to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>TriTone
>> >sound.
>> >The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
the
>> >hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>disappointment.
>> >
>> >My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>reason
>> >is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>certain
>> >that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>> get
>> >both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
>more
>> >extensively in my room.
>> >
>> >Gene
>> >
>>
>
>LaMont,
So you basically use your MPC for the sequencer? I can
see why you like the Korg box with both a MIDI and USB output as well as
the XY pad. I hate the sequencer in Reason and hope the sequencer in Live
is better,if not,
I'll have to get Logic express for sequencing. So now I have to decide between
the
Korg controller and the M-audio one. Do you have the Trigger Finger?
respect
Nappy
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Nappy!! Man. It's great to hear from you. I hope all is well wit and
the
>family!! :)
>
>Yes, I'm still a BIG Mpc fan..It's my goto sequencer for 90 percent of my
>work.
>
>Currently, I have a separte PC for Drums(Battery2,Stylus RMX, Stylus-Vintage,
>DHK-Custom-Vintage & BDF-XL, and a HUGHED libray) of Drum Samples using
V-stack
>as my Vst host.
>
>I use my MPC to both Sequence all drums sounds for Hip Hop & R & B style
>of music.
>
>Having said all of that, I just had a demo of the Korg Pad Controll is a
>beast of a drum sampler controller!! WOW http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KPC1&categor y_id=8Thanks Gene,
Looks like a great value!
respect
Nappy
"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Gene,
>>Get back to us about the Liquid Mix,whats Duende?
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>
>The SSL C200 is an all-digital music production console that runs about
$750,000,
>and up.
>http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/c200.html
>
>SSL took the same DSP chips and the exact algorithms of the EQ plus the
channel
>and bus compressor from the C200 and built a box that uses Firewire to access
>the programs. They added VST, AU and RTAS plugins as controllers and have
>released the Mac version. It is about 1700.00 and sounds indistinguishable
>from the C200 (other than the mix bus).
>
>http://www.solid-state-logic.com/music/duende_home.html
>
>It is still having a lot of bandwidth related issues, but sounds great!
>
>Gene
>Neil ,
Remember when TC brought out their Powercore? To this day, both the PCI or
Firewire version will tax your PCI buss performance. This is why folks are
using Magma Chasis for runing multiple UAD's and using DUAL processor with
Dual PCI buss Channels.
If all you have in your DAW is a Single channel PCI buss setup, you are actually
degrading the overall peformance by imlementing these so-called Powered plugins.
You ever see some of those Super Daw boxes over there on Nuendo.com user
forum??
Lead by our very own Brain Tanksersly. They found out by massive research
that to run those Powered Plugins optimally, at a decent latency, your'e
need have a Dual channeled,high end Dual -core Opteron, Now Conroe Intels,
with at least 8 gigs RAM..% gigs per channel. Withthe UADs and Powercore
on their on PCI buss.. :)
I said all that to say, that TC has never really had great Asio drivers,
so their performance is not that stellar. Same with Duende, the Firewire
and Asio drivers need a lot of work. From what I'm told, writing good firewire
drivers is easy.
So, Neil you do have choices in how you want to implement your Native solution.
Take care LaMont
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>I have some native plugs that I like a lot, and I'm sure the ones
>you mentioned sound great, but what I need is MORE POWER,
>SCOTTY!!! - or more precisely, less CPU load (rememeber, I'm
>running at 24-bit/88.sk, and a LOT of tracks!), so the LiquidMix
>or Duende are looking interesting to me.
>
>Like the quikquak demo that I tested last night... takes up 20%
>of my CPU power all by itself - sounds great, but I can't use
>that kind of resource hog!
>
>Neil
>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hello To all,
>>Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
>Comp
>>/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>
>>So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
PT-Mpowered..
>>Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
>>needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>>In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>as
>>soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>
>>These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
Like
>>the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
>>
>>
>>With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>will
>>take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>>Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>
>>All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>And
>>the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>
>>>Liquid Mix is not Algo based.
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uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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od but
>not
>>>always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>>>to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the container
>>>does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
original
>>>units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
>>>all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
>>the
>>>original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
>>>if not “real”.
>>>
>>>The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
>>>to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
>>>sound.
>>>The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish the
>>>hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big disappointment.
>>>
>>>My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One reason
>>>is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
certain
>>>that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>get
>>>both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
>more
>>>extensively in my room.
>>>
>>>Gene
>>>
>>
>Hi Nappy, I have used the M-audio trigger finger, and it's does the job well.
But, if I were choosing btw the 2 units, I'd choose the Korg.
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont,
>So you basically use your MPC for the sequencer? I can
>see why you like the Korg box with both a MIDI and USB output as well as
>the XY pad. I hate the sequencer in Reason and hope the sequencer in Live
>is better,if not,
>I'll have to get Logic express for sequencing. So now I have to decide between
>the
>Korg controller and the M-audio one. Do you have the Trigger Finger?
>
>
>respect
>Nappy
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Nappy!! Man. It's great to hear from you. I hope all is well wit and
>the
>>family!! :)
>>
>>Yes, I'm still a BIG Mpc fan..It's my goto sequencer for 90 percent of
my
>>work.
>>
>>Currently, I have a separte PC for Drums(Battery2,Stylus RMX, Stylus-Vintage,
>>DHK-Custom-Vintage & BDF-XL, and a HUGHED libray) of Drum Samples using
>V-stack
>>as my Vst host.
>>
>>I use my MPC to both Sequence all drums sounds for Hip Hop & R & B style
>>of music.
>>
>>Having said all of that, I just had a demo of the Korg Pad Controll is
a
>>beast of a drum sampler controller!! WOW http://www.korg.com/gear/info.asp?a_prod_no=KPC1&categor y_id=8
>I use a trigger finger with Live LOTS. The xy thing on the control panel looks
cool but the trigger finger is really quite nice and it has the sliders which
I use a good bit as well.
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>Lamont,
>I know you are a big fan of the Akai MPC's,what do you think of the MPC
4000?
>is it worth the money? I had been thinking of getting a used one,but I'm
>leaning towards a Trigger finger and Ableton Live. I already have a laptop
>and Reason so Live is looking better plus they seem to have frequent updates.
>Let me know your thoughts. I'll be mixing in PARIS. Thanks in advance.
>
>respect
>NappyHi Lamont,
Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will not
have Open GL support at all.
Chris
LaMont wrote:
> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>
> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your DAW
> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
>
> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall performance
> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>
> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to me,
> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp excellerators
> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>
> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better performance
> of these new plugins..
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves SSL
>> pluygins with Paris?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>> Hello To all,
>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
> 7
>> Comp
>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>
>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
>> PT-Mpowered..
>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>> really
>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>> heights.
>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
> as
>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>
>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>> Like
>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>> sweet!!..
>>>
>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>> will
>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>
>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>> And
>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>> algorithms
>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container" for
>>> the
>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
> the
>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>
>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>> quality
>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
>> not
>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>> disconcerting
>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>> container
>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>> original
>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>> result,
>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
> of
>>> the
>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>> varied,
>>>> if not "real".
>>>>
>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>> comparison
>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>> TriTone
>>>> sound.
>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
> the
>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>> disappointment.
>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>> reason
>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>> certain
>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>> get
>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
>> more
>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comWhat's your source on that Chris?
Apple seems very solidly behind OpenGL and supports it in core graphi
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Fri, 15 September 2006 17:21 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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cs.
Microsoft is more reluctant, they prefer proprietary DirectX.
On both of these platforms, a host of 3D animation software depends on
OpenGL.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Lamont,
> Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
> sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will not
> have Open GL support at all.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> LaMont wrote:
>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>
>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that
>> your DAW
>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your
>> system.
>>
>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall
>> performance
>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to
>> me,
>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp
>> excellerators
>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better
>> performance
>> of these new plugins..
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the
>>> Waves SSL
>>> pluygins with Paris?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>> Hello To all,
>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL
>>>> bundle,
>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
>> 7
>>> Comp
>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>
>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>> really
>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>> heights.
>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>> as
>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>
>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>>> Like
>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>> sweet!!..
>>>>
>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>> will
>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
>>>> with
>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>
>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>> And
>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>> algorithms
>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
>>>>> for
>>>> the
>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
>> the
>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The
>>>>> sound
>>>> quality
>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
>>> not
>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>> disconcerting
>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>> container
>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>>> original
>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>>> result,
>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>>> varied,
>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>
>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>> comparison
>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>>> TriTone
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>> the
>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>>> disappointment.
>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>> reason
>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>>> certain
>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
>>>>> never
>>>> get
>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
>>> more
>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hello To all,
>Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
Comp
>/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>
>So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris & PT-Mpowered..
>Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
>needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
as
>soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>
>These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD. Like
>the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
>
>
>With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
will
>take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>
>All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
And
>the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>
>
I have the Waves SSL plugins and I agree with everything you say about it.
Nice package, although I haven’t tried it inside Paris yet.
As to the future of low latency native systems: Symphony can do 1.8MS at
64 samples right now.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80936&hi ghlight=Symphony
I think Brian and others are getting similar results on PC systems with new
RME Beta drivers. No need to wait for 80 core computers.
As to efficiency, I can run about 80 channels of the Waves SSL plugins on
my MacBook Pro. Sony is promising the Oxford plugs for Intel-Mac (RTAS) will
be out within a few weeks; I hope the efficiency is close.
GeneIf this is true, and I suspect it is if you say so, it's amazingly stupid.
TCB
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
>sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will not
>have Open GL support at all.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>
>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your
DAW
>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
>>
>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall performance
>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>>
>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to
me,
>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp excellerators
>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>>
>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better performance
>> of these new plugins..
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves
SSL
>>> pluygins with Paris?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>> Hello To all,
>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we jus
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John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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t got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
>> 7
>>> Comp
>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>
>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
&
>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>> really
>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>> heights.
>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>> as
>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>
>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>>> Like
>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>> sweet!!..
>>>>
>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>> will
>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
with
>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>
>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>> And
>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>> algorithms
>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
for
>>>> the
>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
>> the
>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>>> quality
>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
but
>>> not
>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>> disconcerting
>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>> container
>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>>> original
>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>>> result,
>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>>> varied,
>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>
>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>> comparison
>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>>> TriTone
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>> the
>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>>> disappointment.
>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>> reason
>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>>> certain
>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>>> get
>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
use
>>> more
>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comHi,
LaMont wrote:
> Neil ,
> Remember when TC brought out their Powercore? To this day, both the PCI or
> Firewire version will tax your PCI buss performance. This is why folks are
> using Magma Chasis for runing multiple UAD's and using DUAL processor with
> Dual PCI buss Channels.
The funny part is that the TC and UAD have tons of compatibility and
performance issues on dual buss/ dual cpu systems like the Opteron.
especially if they are running Dual core CPUs. Mainly due the AMD 8131
chip set. Only way around it is to buy a Magma and put it on the 32 bit
slot which shares with almost all the motherboards on board components.
The only dual buss Opteron board thats works fully with the UAD and TC
power core on all the PCI-X, PCI slots are ones that use the AMD 8132
chip sets. UADS and Powercore work best on single socket, Intel and ATI
(AMD) and dual socket AMD-8132 and Xeon wood crest based chip sets. You
can easily run 4 in any combo of PCI/PCI-E on any of these boards with
out an abnormal CPU load.
>
> If all you have in your DAW is a Single channel PCI buss setup, you are actually
> degrading the overall peformance by imlementing these so-called Powered plugins.
> You ever see some of those Super Daw boxes over there on Nuendo.com user
> forum??
> Lead by our very own Brain Tanksersly. They found out by massive research
> that to run those Powered Plugins optimally, at a decent latency, your'e
> need have a Dual channeled,high end Dual -core Opteron, Now Conroe Intels,
> with at least 8 gigs RAM..% gigs per channel. Withthe UADs and Powercore
> on their on PCI buss.. :)
On the majority of all the Conroe based Motherboards same as on single
socket AMD boards there are only 2 buses, PCI-E and PCI. Virtually
everything except video share the PCI buss. Running a combo of PCI-e and
PCI versions of the UAD/TC cards will be the only way o run them on
separate buses. The are a couple of high end workstation boards that
just came out with 3 buses, PCI-X, PCI and PCI-E but are very expensive.
Personally I think companies are doing it wrong by using firewire for
doing DSP this way. Firewire like USB is a very limited bandwidth
general purpose connection. Everybody is going put drives, sound cards
and who knows what else on the same firewire buss. If you have to put in
separate firewire card for each device hen whats the point of firewire.:)
It would make more sense for them have a PCI-e host card and an external
box that you can add DSP cards too to upgrade the processing power. Huge
amount s of bandwidth is available on even a 1x PCI-e slot. Far more
than 5 PCI slots worth of DSP could be run from one card.
>
> I said all that to say, that TC has never really had great Asio drivers,
> so their performance is not that stellar. Same with Duende, the Firewire
> and Asio drivers need a lot of work. From what I'm told, writing good firewire
> drivers is easy.
Neither the TC nor UAD use ASIO drivers. They use VST and special
hardware driver that the VST plug ins communicate with.
Chris
>
> So, Neil you do have choices in how you want to implement your Native solution.
>
> Take care LaMont
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>> I have some native plugs that I like a lot, and I'm sure the ones
>> you mentioned sound great, but what I need is MORE POWER,
>> SCOTTY!!! - or more precisely, less CPU load (rememeber, I'm
>> running at 24-bit/88.sk, and a LOT of tracks!), so the LiquidMix
>> or Duende are looking interesting to me.
>>
>> Like the quikquak demo that I tested last night... takes up 20%
>> of my CPU power all by itself - sounds great, but I can't use
>> that kind of resource hog!
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> Hello To all,
>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
>> Comp
>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>
>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
> PT-Mpowered..
>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>> as
>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>
>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
> Like
>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
>>>
>>>
>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>> will
>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>
>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>> And
>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only algorithms
>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the “container” for
>>> the
>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of the
>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>
>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>> quality
>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
>> not
>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the container
>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
> original
>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a result,
>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound of
>>> the
>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and varied,
>>>> if not “real”.
>>>>
>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct comparison
>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the TriTone
>>&
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Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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get="_blank">1@linux...
>>>> Hello To all,
>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
>> 7
>>> Comp
>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>
>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
&
>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>> really
>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>> heights.
>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>> as
>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>
>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>>> Like
>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>> sweet!!..
>>>>
>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>> will
>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
with
>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>
>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>> And
>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>> algorithms
>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
for
>>>> the
>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
>> the
>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>>> quality
>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
but
>>> not
>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>> disconcerting
>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>> container
>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>>> original
>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>>> result,
>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>> of
>>>> the
>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>>> varied,
>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>
>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>> comparison
>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>>> TriTone
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>> the
>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>>> disappointment.
>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>> reason
>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>>> certain
>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>>> get
>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
use
>>> more
>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comAgreed!!
Personally I think companies are doing it wrong by using firewire for doing
DSP this way. Firewire like USB is a very limited bandwidth general purpose
connection. Everybody is going put drives, sound cards and who knows what
else on the same firewire buss. If you have to put in separate firewire card
for each device hen whats the point of firewire.:)
It would make more sense for them have a PCI-e host card and an external
box that you can add DSP cards too to upgrade the processing power. Huge
amount s of bandwidth is available on even a 1x PCI-e slot. Far more than
5 PCI slots worth of DSP could be run from one card.
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Neil ,
>> Remember when TC brought out their Powercore? To this day, both the PCI
or
>> Firewire version will tax your PCI buss performance. This is why folks
are
>> using Magma Chasis for runing multiple UAD's and using DUAL processor
with
>> Dual PCI buss Channels.
>
>
>The funny part is that the TC and UAD have tons of compatibility and
>performance issues on dual buss/ dual cpu systems like the Opteron.
>especially if they are running Dual core CPUs. Mainly due the AMD 8131
>chip set. Only way around it is to buy a Magma and put it on the 32 bit
>slot which shares with almost all the motherboards on board components.
>The only dual buss Opteron board thats works fully with the UAD and TC
>power core on all the PCI-X, PCI slots are ones that use the AMD 8132
>chip sets. UADS and Powercore work best on single socket, Intel and ATI
>(AMD) and dual socket AMD-8132 and Xeon wood crest based chip sets. You
>can easily run 4 in any combo of PCI/PCI-E on any of these boards with
>out an abnormal CPU load.
>
>>
>> If all you have in your DAW is a Single channel PCI buss setup, you are
actually
>> degrading the overall peformance by imlementing these so-called Powered
plugins.
>> You ever see some of those Super Daw boxes over there on Nuendo.com user
>> forum??
>> Lead by our very own Brain Tanksersly. They found out by massive research
>> that to run those Powered Plugins optimally, at a decent latency, your'e
>> need have a Dual channeled,high end Dual -core Opteron, Now Conroe Intels,
>> with at least 8 gigs RAM..% gigs per channel. Withthe UADs and Powercore
>> on their on PCI buss.. :)
>
>
>On the majority of all the Conroe based Motherboards same as on single
>socket AMD boards there are only 2 buses, PCI-E and PCI. Virtually
>everything except video share the PCI buss. Running a combo of PCI-e and
>PCI versions of the UAD/TC cards will be the only way o run them on
>separate buses. The are a couple of high end workstation boards that
>just came out with 3 buses, PCI-X, PCI and PCI-E but are very expensive.
>
>Personally I think companies are doing it wrong by using firewire for
>doing DSP this way. Firewire like USB is a very limited bandwidth
>general purpose connection. Everybody is going put drives, sound cards
>and who knows what else on the same firewire buss. If you have to put in
>separate firewire card for each device hen whats the point of firewire.:)
>
>It would make more sense for them have a PCI-e host card and an external
>box that you can add DSP cards too to upgrade the processing power. Huge
>amount s of bandwidth is available on even a 1x PCI-e slot. Far more
>than 5 PCI slots worth of DSP could be run from one card.
>
>
>>
>> I said all that to say, that TC has never really had great Asio drivers,
>> so their performance is not that stellar. Same with Duende, the Firewire
>> and Asio drivers need a lot of work. From what I'm told, writing good
firewire
>> drivers is easy.
>
>Neither the TC nor UAD use ASIO drivers. They use VST and special
>hardware driver that the VST plug ins communicate with.
>
>
>
>
>Chris
>
>>
>> So, Neil you do have choices in how you want to implement your Native
solution.
>>
>> Take care LaMont
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>> I have some native plugs that I like a lot, and I'm sure the ones
>>> you mentioned sound great, but what I need is MORE POWER,
>>> SCOTTY!!! - or more precisely, less CPU load (rememeber, I'm
>>> running at 24-bit/88.sk, and a LOT of tracks!), so the LiquidMix
>>> or Duende are looking interesting to me.
>>>
>>> Like the quikquak demo that I tested last night... takes up 20%
>>> of my CPU power all by itself - sounds great, but I can't use
>>> that kind of resource hog!
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hello To all,
>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
7
>>> Comp
>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>
>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
&
>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
really
>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>>> as
>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>
>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>> Like
>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
sweet!!..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>> will
>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
with
>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>
>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>> And
>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72462 is a reply to message #72457] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 18:09 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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r />
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only algorithms
>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the “container”
for
>>>> the
>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
the
>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>>> quality
>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
but
>>> not
>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little disconcerting
>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
container
>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>> original
>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
result,
>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
of
>>>> the
>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that’s clear). They do sound good, and
varied,
>>>>> if not “real”.
>>>>>
>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
comparison
>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
TriTone
>>>>> sound.
>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
the
>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
disappointment.
>>>>>
>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
reason
>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>> certain
>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>>> get
>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
use
>>> more
>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene
>>>>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comOn my Dual-Core Opteron, I have yet to max out the SSL plugs. These are really
some special plugins, as are the URS's..
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hello To all,
>>Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
>Comp
>>/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>
>>So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
PT-Mpowered..
>>Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris really
>>needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer heights.
>>In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>as
>>soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>
>>These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
Like
>>the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are sweet!!..
>>
>>
>>With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>will
>>take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>>Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>
>>All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>And
>>the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>
>>
>
>I have the Waves SSL plugins and I agree with everything you say about it.
>Nice package, although I haven’t tried it inside Paris yet.
>
>As to the future of low latency native systems: Symphony can do 1.8MS at
>64 samples right now.
>
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80936&hi ghlight=Symphony
>
>I think Brian and others are getting similar results on PC systems with
new
>RME Beta drivers. No need to wait for 80 core computers.
>
>As to efficiency, I can run about 80 channels of the Waves SSL plugins on
>my MacBook Pro. Sony is promising the Oxford plugs for Intel-Mac (RTAS)
will
>be out within a few weeks; I hope the efficiency is close.
>Gene
>Thanks Thad,
I'm leaning towards the Trigger Finger
How does Lives sequencer compare to Cubase's sequencer?
Have'nt got live yet,but plan to get it real soon. I have Reason 3
but I hate the sequencer,I hope Lives is alot better.
respect
Nappy
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I use a trigger finger with Live LOTS. The xy thing on the control panel
looks
>cool but the trigger finger is really quite nice and it has the sliders
which
>I use a good bit as well.
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>Lamont,
>>I know you are a big fan of the Akai MPC's,what do you think of the MPC
>4000?
>>is it worth the money? I had been thinking of getting a used one,but I'm
>>leaning towards a Trigger finger and Ableton Live. I already have a laptop
>>and Reason so Live is looking better plus they seem to have frequent updates.
>>Let me know your thoughts. I'll be mixing in PARIS. Thanks in advance.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>How dumb do I feel? For some reason I always assumed Drumaga was a PC only
thing. John's post made me look at their website, and lo and behold! Not
only is it Mac too, but there's an OS 9 version!
So now, $289 later, I understand what all the fuss is about...
Gantt
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>
>I am getting ready to upgrade to Drumagog 4. I emailed Rim to ask how I
could
>have it both on my Paris rigs and on my PT LE rig. I got an email back
within
>a half an hour saying they allow multiple installs on machines owned by
you,
>so no problem.
>
>I have talked with Rim a few times on the phone over the years, and what
>a pleasant guy to work with. I sure everyone had customer service like
this.
>
>Thanks, Rim!!damn sheep hearders...never letting us have any fun with their sheep
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:451d1e29$1@linux...
>
> rick says I can't get near sheep after the last incident
>
> "chuck duffy" <c@c.com> wrote:
>>
>>Just put some sheepskin on it
>>
>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>I would think that would mar the finish on the neck.
>>>
>>>steve the artguy wrote:
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>> Ok, I give up. I can't seem to find cam version on the internet. hmm
>>>>
>>>> John-
>>>>
>>>> I could make some out of some hard wood and a
>>>> tablesaw/scrollsaw/nailfile
>>>> or whatever. I think it would be nice to have them made of wood,
>>>> actually.
>>>> Just two circles mounted slightly off center would work. I could draw
>>something
>>>> up if you'd like... if I haven't made it suffficiently confusing...
>>>>
>>>> -steve
>>
>Hi Lamont,
All the of the software manufacturers are going to be using Direct show
many already are. It is just as powerful and from what I've seen easier
to code force and maintain.
Chris
Lamont wrote:
> Hey Chris, not sure why as well. Maybe they no something???
> Or, they already have a easy port over version waiting.
>
> I do know (And You) that Open GL is used for high level graphics. That being
> the case, I really can't see both Microsoft & Apple dropping support being
> that the entire Video post pro market works on that standard.
>
>
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Hi Lamont,
>> Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
>> sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will not
>
>> have Open GL support at all.
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
>>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>>
>>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your
> DAW
>>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
>>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
>>>
>>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall performance
>>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>>>
>>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to
> me,
>>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
>>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp excellerators
>>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>>>
>>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better performance
>>> of these new plugins..
>>>
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72463 is a reply to message #72462] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 18:43 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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gt;>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves
> SSL
>>>> pluygins with Paris?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Deej
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>>> Hello To all,
>>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
>>> 7
>>>> Comp
>>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
> &
>>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>>> really
>>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>>> heights.
>>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>>> as
>>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>>>> Like
>>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>>> sweet!!..
>>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>>> will
>>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
> with
>>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>>> And
>>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>>> algorithms
>>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
> for
>>>>> the
>>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
>>> the
>>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The sound
>>>>> quality
>>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
> but
>>>> not
>>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>>> disconcerting
>>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>>> container
>>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
>>>> original
>>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>>>> result,
>>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>>>> varied,
>>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>>> comparison
>>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>>>> TriTone
>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>>> the
>>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>>> reason
>>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>>>> certain
>>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could never
>>>>> get
>>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
> use
>>>> more
>>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>
>> --
>> Chris Ludwig
>>
>> ADK Pro Audio
>> (859) 635-5762
>> www.adkproaudio.com
>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.comHI Neil,
Yes thats pretty much one of the main reasons. I think the cross
platform part also comes into play in this.
Chris
Neil wrote:
> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>> Personally I think companies are doing it wrong by using firewire for
>> doing DSP this way. Firewire like USB is a very limited bandwidth
>> general purpose connection.
>
> Chris, as I understand it, USB 2.0 has better "one-way" speed
> than Firewire, but Firewire has better "both-way" speed
> than does USB 2.0 (which makes a difference if you're sending
> signals out, then back in via either protocol), and that's why
> they all choose Firewire. Is that actually the case?
>
> Neil
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Well, I can understand the tracks not sounding "finished", but what
>surprised me most was the amount of hum and buzz and general low signal
to
>noise.
It's that "British A.C." sound.
:)Oh, I see. It's part of the character. It all makes sense now.
;>)
Tony
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:451d9a21$1@linux...
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Well, I can understand the tracks not sounding "finished", but what
>>surprised me most was the amount of hum and buzz and general low signal
> to
>>noise.
>
> It's that "British A.C." sound.
>
> :)Speaking of "Scully", does anyone remember the Scully 24 track recorder?
Built like a Brick Sh*T house, (Aussie term)...overbuilt / overkill....
They weren't bad recorders from memory, (25 years ago).
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:451c8732$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEUMANN-32-A-LATHE-WITH-FAIRCHILD-PLATTE R-NEUMANN_W0QQit
>>emZ290034697305QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3278QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>>
> Well, I like the Scully much better, but this would go good next to your
> anechoic chamber.
> GBuy 6 or 8 of those...easy
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:451c30eb$1@linux...
>
> Like this:
> http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/ProelFC-520.html
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>I'm looking for a simple DIY for a guitar wallhanger. Basically a 2x4
>>about 4 feet long to hold maybe 6 or 8 guitars sideways. Any ideas?
>>
>>Thanks
>>John
>Of course no one is going to use direct show on OSX.
Direct show/Direct X is proprietary Microsoft stuff.
OpenGL is a multi-platform open system.
Last I heard Microsoft was finding ways to make it hard for software
companies to continue to use OpenGL on MSWindows but at least some
software companies were fighting that. Dunno how that's been working out
but it seemed pretty fishy.
Here's the OpenGL info page:
http://www.opengl.org/about/
OpenGL on the Mac: http://developer.apple.com/graphicsimaging/opengl/
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Lamont,
> All the of the software manufacturers are going to be using Direct show
> many already are. It is just as powerful and from what I've seen easier
> to code force and maintain.
>
> Chris
> Lamont wrote:
>> Hey Chris, not sure why as well. Maybe they no something???
>> Or, they already have a easy port over version waiting.
>>
>> I do know (And You) that Open GL is used for high level graphics. That
>> being
>> the case, I really can't see both Microsoft & Apple dropping support
>> being
>> that the entire Video post pro market works on that standard.
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lamont,
>>> Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
>>> sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will not
>>
>>> have Open GL support at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves
>>>> sugggest
>>>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>>>
>>>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your
>> DAW
>>>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed
>>>> running
>>>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your
>>>> system.
>>>>
>>>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall
>>>> performance
>>>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>>>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to
>> me,
>>>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that
>>>> waves
>>>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp
>>>> excellerators
>>>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>>>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video
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Fri, 15 September 2006 18:39 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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;>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>>>> Hello To all,
>>>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL
>>>>>> bundle,
>>>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
>>>> 7
>>>>> Comp
>>>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
>> &
>>>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>>>> really
>>>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>>>> heights.
>>>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the
>>>>>> coloring
>>>> as
>>>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with
>>>>>> UAD.
>>>>> Like
>>>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>>>> sweet!!..
>>>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native
>>>>>> processing
>>>>> will
>>>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
>> with
>>>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a
>>>>>> beauty!!
>>>>> And
>>>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>>>> algorithms
>>>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The
>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
>> but
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>>>> disconcerting
>>>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>>>> container
>>>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>> original
>>>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
>>>>> result,
>>>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
>>>>> varied,
>>>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
>>>>> TriTone
>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>>>> the
>>>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am
>>>>>>> reasonably
>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
>> use
>>>>> more
>>>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>Hehe, well we COULD be doing that ;o), though we live in different cities.
Kim W came to visit Melbourne recently, but we successfully failed to hook
up, despite him staying not far from my place, which was unfortunate, as
I was hoping to swap toothbrushes. ;o) As I recall he told me he sent me
a text when here, but I changed mobile numbers around that time and I think
he had the wrong one... ...I never got it.
Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days also...
...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
Kim also from Australia.
Cheers,
Kim.
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind. Now
>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>
>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>> thought I was you, or you me....
>> Hope the new job is going well.
>> The other Kim
>>
>>
>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W as
"Oh
>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>> >
>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>> >
>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Kim.
>>
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
....because I know it's true. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24742
Finally. Doesn't matter for me (dual processor) but for those who have
been using quad boxes this is a welcome update.
Not that Logic is likely to out of juice on two processors, but I'm sure
it's fun to watch all the CPU meters moving. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.comOn 29 Sep 2006 13:04:27 +1000, "Neil" <IUIOU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Yes you can, but it gives you that "waxy" sound.
>
>:)
>
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEUMANN-32-A-LATHE-WITH-FAIRCHILD-PLATTE R-NEUMANN_W0QQit
>>emZ290034697305QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3278QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>>
>>
Waxy is good. If BF (excuse me, DigiBomb or whatever) could figure
out how to do a FFT of "Waxy", there would be a $1400 TDM plugin of
it.
pabIf I know I always want the guitars/banjos/mandolins to always face sideways
isn't there a way to build one out of $10 of oak?How about we find out who has the most awesome Paris setup and spend Christmas
at his house. Let's all just show up. So what's DJ's address?
hehe,
JohnYeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451da750$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
>
> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
>
> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim."Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Speaking of "Scully", does anyone remember the Scully 24 track recorder?
>Built like a Brick Sh*T house, (Aussie term)...overbuilt / overkill....
>They weren't bad recorders from memory, (25 years ago).
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>
In High school, one of my best friends parents was considered the best Scully
repair person in the NY area. The dinning room in their suburban home had
a vertical milling machine, where most of my neighbors had tables and breakfronts
from Sears.
Oh yeah, and it was his mom.
Avery Elkins was her company. Her husband was a principle in Brunswick Tape
Media, one of NY’s biggest tape duplicating services. Absolutely the coolest
house on the block.
The Scully 280B series had good electronics, but the transports, especially
the servo motors, were very problematic.
GeneFor sure, Uad is not going directx. The Pro Video market would not stand for
this. The Pixar's, SGI's workstations..Not to mention, Final Cut Pro, Avid..Nahh.
I don't buy it..
Again, the waves SSL plugs are wonderful..Matters not what platform it was
coded in, just as long as it performs..
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>Of course no one is going to use direct show on OSX.
>
>Direct show/Direct X is proprietary Microsoft stuff.
>
>OpenGL is a multi-platform open system.
>
>Last I heard Microsoft was finding ways to make it hard for software
>companies to continue to use OpenGL on MSWindows but at least some
>software companies were fighting that. Dunno how that's been working out
>but it seemed pretty fishy.
>
>Here's the OpenGL info page:
>
>http://www.opengl.org/about/
>
>OpenGL on the Mac: http://developer.apple.com/graphicsimaging/opengl/
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> Hi Lamont,
>> All the of the software manufacturers are going to be using Direct show
>> many already are. It is just as powerful and from what I've seen easier
>> to code force and maintain.
>>
>> Chris
>> Lamont wrote:
>>> Hey Chris, not sure why as well. Maybe they no something???
>>> Or, they already have a easy port over version waiting.
>>>
>>> I do know (And You) that Open GL is used for high level graphics. That
>>> being
>>> the case, I really can't see both Microsoft & Apple dropping support
>>> being
>>> that the entire Video post pro market works on that standard.
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Lamont,
>>>
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Fri, 15 September 2006 18:51 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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;> Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
>>>> sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will
not
>>>
>>>> have Open GL support at all.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves
>>>>> sugggest
>>>>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>>>>
>>>>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that
your
>>> DAW
>>>>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed
>>>>> running
>>>>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your
>>>>> system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall
>>>>> performance
>>>>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>>>>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined
to
>>> me,
>>>>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that
>>>>> waves
>>>>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp
>>>>> excellerators
>>>>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>>>>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better
>>>>> performance
>>>>> of these new plugins..
>>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves
>>> SSL
>>>>>> pluygins with Paris?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>>>>> Hello To all,
>>>>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL
>>>>>>> bundle,
>>>>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series
EQ
>>>>> 7
>>>>>> Comp
>>>>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
>>> &
>>>>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>>>>> heights.
>>>>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the
>>>>>>> coloring
>>>>> as
>>>>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with
>>>>>>> UAD.
>>>>>> Like
>>>>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations
are
>>>>>> sweet!!..
>>>>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native
>>>>>>> processing
>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
>>> with
>>>>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a
>>>>>>> beauty!!
>>>>>> And
>>>>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>>>>> algorithms
>>>>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
>>> for
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most
of
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The
>>>>>>>> sound
>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
>>> but
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>>>>> disconcerting
>>>>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>>>>> container
>>>>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> original
>>>>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As
a
>>>>>> result,
>>>>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good,
and
>>>>>> varied,
>>>>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for
the
>>>>>> TriTone
>>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do
wish
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a
big
>>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided.
One
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am
>>>>>>>> reasonably
>>>>>> certain
>>>>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
>>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix
to
>>> use
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>
>>Anyone played with Waves S1 Imager and Roger Nichols Stereo Analyzer? You
can use S1 to reverse channels and put all left or all right in both channels
and with Stereo Analyzer you can see how much correlation there is between
the left and right channels.
It's amazing how much stereo imagery you can get with stuff that's 98% correlated
(example: moonlight feels right). The mix is pretty mono with rhodes left
and vibes keyboard right. DOubled vocal in mono! Kewl stuff. Here's another
one for your comments. Load the song up and tell me what you hear.
Canned Heat Going up the country
flute copied with delay in left to thicken
eq left: roll off all lows eq right: roll off all highs
doubled guitars with delay in left to make 2 distinct guitars
very lo fi guitar rhythm left very lo fi guitar left octave lower
eq left: roll off all lows eq right: roll off all highs
bass / drums center with narrow image just off center
vocal dead mono ! heavy compression?Ah yes. The good old days.
My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced soul/funk
outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have some
fifteen members.
Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
demonstration disks.
If you're interested:
http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
Cheers
Kim Double Ewe
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days also...
> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
>Kim also from Australia.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
Now
>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>> The other Kim
>>>
>>>
>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W as
>"Oh
>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>> >
>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>>> >
>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>> >
>>> >Cheers,
>>> >Kim.
>>>
>>
>>
>I've got a friend here with both the Waves SSL bundle and the URS "All EQ"
and a couple of their other compressors. I'm gonna test drive them over the
weekend. If I could find something that I could use in Paris that would
allow me the sonic mojo that I get with Cubase SX and UAD-1 plugins, I'd
sell 3 out fo 4 of my UAD cards, and a couple of my RME cards, put the money
toward these plugins and go back to mixing 100% in Paris with the Cubase rig
as a sequencer only and for the occasional Hi Rez project. I'm just plain
sick and tired of mixing on two DAWs. though the flexibility is beyond
belief, it's such a PITA.
Deej
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message news:451d6ce3$1@linux...
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >Hello To all,
> >Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
> >and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ 7
> Comp
> >/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
> >
> >So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
PT-Mpowered..
> >Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
really
> >needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
heights.
> >In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
> as
> >soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
> >
> >These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
Like
> >the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
sweet!!..
> >
> >
> >With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
> will
> >take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
> >Zero latency native thru a DAW..
> >
> >All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
> And
> >the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
> >
> >
>
> I have the Waves SSL plugins and I agree with everything you say about it.
> Nice package, although I haven't tried it inside Paris yet.
>
> As to the future of low latency native systems: Symphony can do 1.8MS at
> 64 samples right now.
>
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80936&hi ghlight=Symphony
>
> I think Brian and others are getting similar results on PC systems with
new
> RME Beta drivers. No need to wait for 80 core computers.
>
> As to efficiency, I can run about 80 channels of the Waves SSL plugins on
> my MacBook Pro. Son
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Fri, 15 September 2006 19:00 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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ut the latency.
Thanks for the heads up.
Deej
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d5c64$1@linux...
>
> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>
> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your
DAW
> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
>
> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall
performance
> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>
> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined to me,
> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp
excellerators
> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>
> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better
performance
> of these new plugins..
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves
SSL
> >pluygins with Paris?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hello To all,
> >> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL
bundle,
> >> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
> 7
> >Comp
> >> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
> >>
> >> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris &
> >PT-Mpowered..
> >> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
> >really
> >> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
> >heights.
> >> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
> as
> >> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
> >>
> >> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
> >Like
> >> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
> >sweet!!..
> >>
> >>
> >> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
> >will
> >> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
with
> >> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
> >>
> >> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
> >And
> >> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
> >> >>ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
> >> >>dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
> >> >>you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
> >> >>
> >> >>Neil
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
> >algorithms
> >> >are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
for
> >> the
> >> >eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most of
> the
> >> >impulse responses.
> >> >
> >> >I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The
sound
> >> quality
> >> >is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good but
> >not
> >> >always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
> >disconcerting
> >> >to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
> >container
> >> >does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of the
> >original
> >> >units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As a
> >result,
> >> >all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
> of
> >> the
> >> >original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good, and
> >varied,
> >> >if not "real".
> >> >
> >> >The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
> >comparison
> >> >to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for the
> >TriTone
> >> >sound.
> >> >The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
> the
> >> >hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a big
> >disappointment.
> >> >
> >> >My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
> >reason
> >> >is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
> >certain
> >> >that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
never
> >> get
> >> >both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to use
> >more
> >> >extensively in my room.
> >> >
> >> >Gene
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>I'm going to make a serious attempt to get Paris to work on a Gigabyte K8NS
Ultra 939 mobo with an AMD 64 4200 x 2 CPU. So far, to knowledge, running
Paris on dual processors hasn't been achieved with a working C-16 scenario..
There was a tool released by AMD a while back that *might* change this
scenario, though I have no idea if it will..........but nothing
ventured..........
To my knowledge, the problem was with the C-16 not responding. I'm too busy
here to tear down my Paris rig and drag an EDS card and a MEC out of the
snakepit and into my workshop. I don't have any spares. All I would need is
an EDS card. An IF 442 would be nice, but I've got an IF 2 I could use here
if necessary and I can liberate one of my C-16's without screwing the pooch.
Call me if you're up for loaning me an EDS card/442 for a few days. If I can
get this to happen, I'll document it and we can put in in our bag of tricks.
970-375-7081.
DeejDude! Best music EVER!! ;o)
Kim Double Ewe? Not Kim Dubya? ;o)
Where can I get the full tracks? That is honestly really excellent.
Check my effort from around that time...
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=91
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>
>Ah yes. The good old days.
>My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced soul/funk
>outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have some
>fifteen members.
>Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
>corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
>I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
>he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
>This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
>audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
>demonstration disks.
>If you're interested:
>http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
>http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
>Cheers
>Kim Double Ewe
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days
also...
>> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
>>Kim also from Australia.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
>>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
>Now
>>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>>> The other Kim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W as
>>"Oh
>>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>>> >
>>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>>>> >
>>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>>> >
>>>> >Cheers,
>>>> >Kim.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=91
Gee, doesn't What You Need sound overcompressed these days? ;o) My ears have
certainly changed. I remember mastering that and thinking that compression
was the best thing since Paris...
....turns out it's all a little too squished really. Should have just pumped
the Paris mix bus a little harder...
Cheers,
Kim.
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ah yes. The good old days.
>>My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced
soul/funk
>>outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have some
>>fifteen members.
>>Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
>>corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
>>I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
>>he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
>>This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
>>audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
>>demonstration disks.
>>If you're interested:
>>http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
>>http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
>>Cheers
>>Kim Double Ewe
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days
>also...
>>> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
>>>Kim also from Austral
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Fri, 15 September 2006 18:53 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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ia.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
>>>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
>
>>Now
>>>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>>>> The other Kim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W
as
>>>"Oh
>>>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cheers,
>>>>> >Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also has
hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much in
the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's *really*
incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes, toothbrushes,
etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
;o)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451de552$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
>
> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix fellow
> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit into
> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
>
> All these questions and more... ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:451da750$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
> >>
> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
> >>
> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kim.
> >
> >
>Well I have no idea what Kim W looks like, as we have never been in the same
room together at the same time to my knowledge...
....hmm, never been seen in the same room at the same time eh? Hmm...
....though I am also about 5'9" and my hair these days somewhat "cueball'esque"...
so perhaps we are the same person. I hear we've never been seen in the
same room at the same time either... ;o)
....though if we are the same person, who was I talking to on the phone the
other week... ...maybe my medication isn't working... ;o)
....and where the hell did I put those distressors?
;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also has
>hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much in
>the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's *really*
>incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
>dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes, toothbrushes,
>etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
>
>;o)
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451de552$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
>>
>> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix fellow
>> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit into
>> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
>>
>> All these questions and more... ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:451da750$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
>> >>
>> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
>> >>
>> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Kim.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>For anyone who wants to check out some tunes from your favourite newsgroup
host, please check out:
http://www.myspace.com/drschnauberg
I'm in the midst of a work ethic/method revolution, where I try and produce
songs within the space of only a couple of hours. All these tunes are recorded
mostly on my GNX-4 looper, then transferred to Paris and vocals and solos
are added. It's usually about a 2-2.5 hour turnaround for a complete song.
And yes some of the recording methods are dodgy... yes I need to get a pop
filter for the mic, and yes the harmonies in Revision need work, but hey,
it's music, I'm getting it done quickly, and I'm having fun, and I think
the vibe is there. :o)
Tell me what you think...
Cheers,
Kim.Good stuff. Great live vibe!
Overcompressed?, maybe a little for my tastes, but it would
sit well on radio, and does so on small systems. A matter of
taste, really.
I didn't master the Goose stuff, but I remember hearing the first
mastered version of "schwang", and I felt it didn't breathe enough.
I told the band, and they got the mastering engineer to back off
the processing, and the result was much better.
As it turned out, the final master sounded pretty close to the
final mixes, but louder.
Perhaps for commercial airplay the first master would be better,
but the band decided to opt for the transparency of the second.
As I said, matter of taste.
Go to the goose homepage and you will find a list of outlets that
stock the cd's. There are a couple of full songs on the page, but
I think "rump" is a rough mix they posted.
Failing that, I could check with Dave, and send you a couple of
"evaluation" copies if you wish. I don't have spares of the prints.
Email me your postal address.
Kim Twosheep.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=91
>
>Gee, doesn't What You Need sound overcompressed these days? ;o) My ears
have
>certainly changed. I remember mastering that and thinking that compression
>was the best thing since Paris...
>
>...turns out it's all a little too squished really. Should have just pumped
>the Paris mix bus a little harder...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Ah yes. The good old days.
>>>My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced
>soul/funk
>>>outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have
some
>>>fifteen members.
>>>Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
>>>corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
>>>I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
>>>he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
>>>This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
>>>audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
>>>demonstration disks.
>>>If you're interested:
>>>http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
>>>http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
>>>Cheers
>>>Kim Double Ewe
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days
>>also...
>>>> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
>>>>Kim also from Australia.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with us
>>>>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>>>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
>>
>>>Now
>>>>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>>>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>>>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>>>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>>>>> The other Kim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim W
>as
>>>>"Oh
>>>>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>>>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >Cheers,
>>>>>> >Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>I was wondering what that Holden was doing in my driveway and why I've been
referring to gasoline as being "petrol" lately.
Well, at least I have been paying fewer pence for it lately. If I'm you,
then I can say cool stuff like "stone the crows" and it will be OK, right?
;O)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451deecc$1@linux...
>
>
> Well I have no idea what Kim W looks like, as we have never been in the
same
> room together at the same time to my knowledge...
>
> ...hmm, never been seen in the same room at the same time eh? Hmm...
>
> ...though I am also about 5'9" and my hair these days somewhat
"cueball'esque"...
> so perhaps we are the same person. I hear we've never been seen in the
> same room at the same time either... ;o)
>
> ...though if we are the same person, who was I talking to on the phone the
> other week... ...maybe my medication isn't working... ;o)
>
> ...and where the hell did I put those distressors?
>
> ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>
> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also has
> >hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much in
> >the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's
*really*
> >incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
> >dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes,
toothbrushes,
> >etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:451de552$1@linux...
> >>
> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
> >>
> >> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix
fellow
> >> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit
into
> >> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
> >>
> >> All these questions and more... ;o)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Kim.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >;o)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:451da750$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
> >> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers,
> >> >> Kim.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>Kenoath!!
(I speak for both us Kims)
Kim W
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>I was wondering what that Holden was doing in my driveway and why I've been
>referring to gasoline as being "petrol" lately.
>Well, at least I have been paying fewer pence for it lately. If I'm you,
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72471 is a reply to message #72468] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 18:57 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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gt;then I can say cool stuff like "stone the crows" and it will be OK, right?
>
>;O)
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451deecc$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> Well I have no idea what Kim W looks like, as we have never been in the
>same
>> room together at the same time to my knowledge...
>>
>> ...hmm, never been seen in the same room at the same time eh? Hmm...
>>
>> ...though I am also about 5'9" and my hair these days somewhat
>"cueball'esque"...
>> so perhaps we are the same person. I hear we've never been seen in the
>> same room at the same time either... ;o)
>>
>> ...though if we are the same person, who was I talking to on the phone
the
>> other week... ...maybe my medication isn't working... ;o)
>>
>> ...and where the hell did I put those distressors?
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also
has
>> >hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much
in
>> >the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's
>*really*
>> >incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
>> >dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes,
>toothbrushes,
>> >etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:451de552$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.....
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Fri, 15 September 2006 19:08 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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;>
>> >> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix
>fellow
>> >> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit
>into
>> >> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
>> >>
>> >> All these questions and more... ;o)
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Kim.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >;o)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:451da750$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Cheers,
>> >> >> Kim.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>"Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>Kenoath!!
>(I speak for both us Kims)
ROTLF!! Indeed he does. ;o)
Cheers,
Kim.
>Kim W
>
>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>I was wondering what that Holden was doing in my driveway and why I've
been
>>referring to gasoline as being "petrol" lately.
>>Well, at least I have been paying fewer pence for it lately. If I'm you,
>>then I can say cool stuff like "stone the crows" and it will be OK, right?
>>
>>;O)
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451deecc$1@linux...
>>>
>>>
>>> Well I have no idea what Kim W looks like, as we have never been in the
>>same
>>> room together at the same time to my knowledge...
>>>
>>> ...hmm, never been seen in the same room at the same time eh? Hmm...
>>>
>>> ...though I am also about 5'9" and my hair these days somewhat
>>"cueball'esque"...
>>> so perhaps we are the same person. I hear we've never been seen in
the
>>> same room at the same time either... ;o)
>>>
>>> ...though if we are the same person, who was I talking to on the phone
>the
>>> other week... ...maybe my medication isn't working... ;o)
>>>
>>> ...and where the hell did I put those distressors?
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>> >Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also
>has
>>> >hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much
>in
>>> >the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's
>>*really*
>>> >incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
>>> >dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes,
>>toothbrushes,
>>> >etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
>>> >
>>> >;o)
>>> >
>>> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:451de552$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>> >> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
>>> >>
>>> >> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix
>>fellow
>>> >> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit
>>into
>>> >> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
>>> >>
>>> >> All these questions and more... ;o)
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Kim.
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >;o)
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> >news:451da750$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>> >> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Cheers,
>>> >> >> Kim.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>Kim,
I didn't see any links, but I didn't look that hard, and my monitors aren't
all that bright. I'll have a better look. I'm more than happy to shell out
the cash as it's excellent work.
If I get no joy trying to track down a copy I'll let you know. I've just
gotta get my hands on that though. Right up my alley...
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim Dubya" <no@way.com> wrote:
>
>Good stuff. Great live vibe!
>Overcompressed?, maybe a little for my tastes, but it would
>sit well on radio, and does so on small systems. A matter of
>taste, really.
>I didn't master the Goose stuff, but I remember hearing the first
>mastered version of "schwang", and I felt it didn't breathe enough.
>I told the band, and they got the mastering engineer to back off
>the processing, and the result was much better.
>As it turned out, the final master sounded pretty close to the
>final mixes, but louder.
>Perhaps for commercial airplay the first master would be better,
>but the band decided to opt for the transparency of the second.
>As I said, matter of taste.
>Go to the goose homepage and you will find a list of outlets that
>stock the cd's. There are a couple of full songs on the page, but
>I think "rump" is a rough mix they posted.
>Failing that, I could check with Dave, and send you a couple of
>"evaluation" copies if you wish. I don't have spares of the prints.
>Email me your postal address.
>Kim Twosheep.
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=91
>>
>>Gee, doesn't What You Need sound overcompressed these days? ;o) My ears
>have
>>certainly changed. I remember mastering that and thinking that compression
>>was the best thing since Paris...
>>
>>...turns out it's all a little too squished really. Should have just pumped
>>the Paris mix bus a little harder...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ah yes. The good old days.
>>>>My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced
>>soul/funk
>>>>outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have
>some
>>>>fifteen members.
>>>>Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
>>>>corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
>>>>I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
>>>>he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
>>>>This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
>>>>audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
>>>>demonstration disks.
>>>>If you're interested:
>>>>http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
>>>>http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
>>>>Cheers
>>>>Kim Double Ewe
>>>>
>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days
>>>also...
>>>>> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had another
>>>>>Kim also from Australia.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with
us
>>>>>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>>>>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
>>>
>>>>Now
>>>>>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>>>>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>>>>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>>>>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>>>>>> The other Kim
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim
W
>>as
>>>>>"Oh
>>>>>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>>>>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim. :o)
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >Cheers,
>>>>>>> >Kim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Hey DJ,
I feel your pain..As I and others have been witness to your quest for 2 system
perfection.
For me, in my personal studio, I conceeded that onmy Dual-core Opteron(PT-M(48
stereo), & Nuendo) and I have A Paris machine with Acid. With a KVR switch,I
choose the DAW that fits the song..One DAW at time:)
One thing that I can vouch for is the use of a analog mixer to sum , even
with Paris. Just by using an old Mackie 1604vlz, you can hear the difference
with just a stereo (2track) sub into the anolog mixer. Having a analog mixer
will definitely smooth out Cubase /Nuendo's summing. Thus, letting the mixer
push the app for a more aggresive sound.
I'm anolog summing believer. Even with these great new Plugins, Analog summing
can make the difference.
P.S. Those Makie Onyx mixers are awsome for summing..Then you get those nice
Pres..
"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>I've got a friend here with both the Waves SSL bundle and the URS "All EQ"
>and a couple of their other compressors. I'm gonna test drive them over
the
>weekend. If I could find something that I could use in Paris that would
>allow me the sonic mojo that I get with Cubase SX and UAD-1 plugins, I'd
>sell 3 out fo 4 of my UAD cards, and a couple of my RME cards, put the money
>toward these plugins and go back to mixing 100% in Paris with the Cubase
rig
>as a sequencer only and for the occasional Hi Rez project. I'm just plain
>sick and tired of mixing on two DAWs. though the flexibility is beyond
>belief, it's such a PITA.
>
>Deej
>
>
>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSP.com> wrote in message news:451d6ce3$1@linux...
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hello To all,
>> >Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>> >and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series EQ
7
>> Comp
>> >/56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>> >
>> >So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
&
>PT-Mpowered..
>> >Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>really
>> >needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>heights.
>> >In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>> as
>> >soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>> >
>> >These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with UAD.
>Like
>> >the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>sweet!!..
>> >
>> >
>> >With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>> will
>> >take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability with
>> >Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>> >
>> >All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>> And
>> >the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I have the Waves SSL plugins and I agree with everything you say about
it.
>> Nice package, although I haven't tried it inside Paris yet.
>>
>> As to the future of low latency native systems: Symphony can do 1.8MS
at
>> 64 samples right now.
>>
>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=80936&hi ghlight=Symphony
>>
>> I think Brian and others are getting similar results on PC systems with
>new
>> RME Beta drivers. No need to wait for 80 core computers.
>>
>> As to efficiency, I can run about 80 channels of the Waves SSL plugins
on
>> my MacBook Pro. Sony is promising the Oxford plugs for Intel-Mac (RTAS)
>will
>> be out within a few weeks; I hope the efficiency is close.
>> Gene
>>
>
>Hi Jamie,
While I'm happy that Logic audio is still in existence, It's really losing
ground in the DAW market share, as well as Digital Performer. Hummm ....I
wonder why??
Could it be that by closing it's door to the Windows platform, pretty sealed
their fate???
Since Apple gave Intel-mac user's Boot-Camp, they should stop this charade
and go back to supporting Both Mac OSX and Windows.
I Love Logic Audio, but when Mr Jobs closed it's doors for us Windows users,
I stopped using the product.
Now, it the Pro Audio production game, logic has lost a lot of it's luster.
Mac users are using Pro Tools 7x midi sequencer these days.
And, I still say that Logic's main problem is that their Programmers are
beholden to that 1994 GUI. By todays standards, it just does not play. Even
Cakewalk Sonar looks more profesional.! Yikes!! Man, what a F....in waste
in what is still thee best sequencer in the world..But, when you stop evolving,
you die.. I'm afraid that if Logic Audio does do something Radical Soon (Winter
Namm2007) there toast..
Bright-Side: They are struck this monumental joint agreement with Apogee
with the those PCI-E cards and Firewire interface. Nice. Problem: Apogee
does not know how to write good drivers, at least firewire drivers. Soundtrack
Pro looks and runs and behaves like a modern pro DAW app should run. I hope
and proay that we are looking at the the Future of Logic Audio/via Soundtrack
Pro..Pleaseeee... :)
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24742
>
>Finally. Doesn't matter for me (dual processor) but for those who have
>been using quad boxes this is a welcome update.
>
>Not that Logic is likely to out of juice on two processors, but I'm sure
>it's fun to watch all the CPU meters moving. :^)
>
>Cheers,
>
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72474 is a reply to message #72469] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 19:15 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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-Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.comVery nice work. :)
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>For anyone who wants to check out some tunes from your favourite newsgroup
>host, please check out:
>
>http://www.myspace.com/drschnauberg
>
>I'm in the midst of a work ethic/method revolution, where I try and produce
>songs within the space of only a couple of hours. All these tunes are recorded
>mostly on my GNX-4 looper, then transferred to Paris and vocals and solos
>are added. It's usually about a 2-2.5 hour turnaround for a complete song.
>
>And yes some of the recording methods are dodgy... yes I need to get a
pop
>filter for the mic, and yes the harmonies in Revision need work, but hey,
>it's music, I'm getting it done quickly, and I'm having fun, and I think
>the vibe is there. :o)
>
>Tell me what you think...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Hi Kim.
http://www.goose.com.au/multimedia.php
There is a link to two mp3's and a bunch of videos.
http://www.goose.com.au/index.php
Here you will find a list of retailers.
Will check out your stuff further on the studio monitors. Sounds great so
far. Gotta keep painting the spare room right now.
I recoreded a band called "Dragster" some years ago on my fostex
b16. I will post a couple of songs somewhere and give you the links.
They were a scream...should be up your alley also.
In fact I'll start a new topic for the benefit of others overseas. Their
stuff was priceless, wildly funky and funny as
all hell. (very Australian as well).
Cheers.
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Kim,
>
>I didn't see any links, but I didn't look that hard, and my monitors aren't
>all that bright. I'll have a better look. I'm more than happy to shell out
>the cash as it's excellent work.
>
>If I get no joy trying to track down a copy I'll let you know. I've just
>gotta get my hands on that though. Right up my alley...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
>
>"Kim Dubya" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>
>>Good stuff. Great live vibe!
>>Overcompressed?, maybe a little for my tastes, but it would
>>sit well on radio, and does so on small systems. A matter of
>>taste, really.
>>I didn't master the Goose stuff, but I remember hearing the first
>>mastered version of "schwang", and I felt it didn't breathe enough.
>>I told the band, and they got the mastering engineer to back off
>>the processing, and the result was much better.
>>As it turned out, the final master sounded pretty close to the
>>final mixes, but louder.
>>Perhaps for commercial airplay the first master would be better,
>>but the band decided to opt for the transparency of the second.
>>As I said, matter of taste.
>>Go to the goose homepage and you will find a list of outlets that
>>stock the cd's. There are a couple of full songs on the page, but
>>I think "rump" is a rough mix they posted.
>>Failing that, I could check with Dave, and send you a couple of
>>"evaluation" copies if you wish. I don't have spares of the prints.
>>Email me your postal address.
>>Kim Twosheep.
>>
>>
>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=91
>>>
>>>Gee, doesn't What You Need sound overcompressed these days? ;o) My ears
>>have
>>>certainly changed. I remember mastering that and thinking that compression
>>>was the best thing since Paris...
>>>
>>>...turns out it's all a little too squished really. Should have just pumped
>>>the Paris mix bus a little harder...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>Kim.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Ah yes. The good old days.
>>>>>My first Paris recording was for a then Adelaide based 70's influenced
>>>soul/funk
>>>>>outfit called Goose. (now Melbourne based). At any one time they have
>>some
>>>>>fifteen members.
>>>>>Early versions of Paris had a bug which would
>>>>>corrupt segments occasionally, leaving the project unplayable.
>>>>>I emailed the .ppj (minus audio) to Edmund, and within an hour
>>>>>he sent it back fixed. The session continued.
>>>>>This album (and the sequel) are still being used by a couple of
>>>>>audiophile hifi shops in Melbourne as one of their system
>>>>>demonstration disks.
>>>>>If you're interested:
>>>>>http://www.goose.com.au/schwang.php
>>>>>http://www.goose.com.au/dancefloor.php
>>>>>Cheers
>>>>>Kim Double Ewe
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Kim W has been dropping in here to the group since the very early days
>>>>also...
>>>>>> ...I think it was '98 or '99 when I realised that the group had
another
>>>>>>Kim also from Australia.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>Kim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>Hey..............for all I know you guys could be just toying with
>us
>>>>>>>here....wearing each other's clothes, swapping ID's,
>>>>>>>toothbrushes???........you name it. The implications boggle the mind.
>>>>
>>>>>Now
>>>>>>>I'm paranoid. I need coffee................. or I will die.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Kim W." <no-one@home.y'know> wrote in message news:451cddee$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for clearing that up, Kim.
>>>>>>>> At four in the morning, I didn't tweak to the fact that Deej
>>>>>>>> thought I was you, or you me....
>>>>>>>> Hope the new job is going well.
>>>>>>>> The other Kim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Was just reading a post from you Deej where you referred to Kim
>W
>>>as
>>>>>>"Oh
>>>>>>>> >Moderating one". ;o) I assume you mean me... ;o)
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Kim W is also Australian, but he kindly signs off Kim W to differentiate
>>>>>>>> >between himself and I because I lazily simply call myself Kim.
:o)
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >I'm Kim S, was I to add an initial...
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >Cheers,
>>>>>>>> >Kim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Did you know that Cubase 4 does not support Directx?
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>All the of the software manufacturers are going to be using Direct show
>many already are. It is just as powerful and from what I've seen easier
>to code force and maintain.
>
>Chris
>Lamont wrote:
>> Hey Chris, not sure why as well. Maybe they no something???
>> Or, they already have a easy port over version waiting.
>>
>> I do know (And You) that Open GL is used for high level graphics. That
being
>> the case, I really can't see both Microsoft & Apple dropping support being
>> that the entire Video post pro market works on that standard.
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lamont,
>>> Too bad Waves wasted time on using Open GL for the SSL plug ins. Not
>>> sure why they did it sense future versions of Windows and Apple will
not
>>
>>> have Open GL support at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>> Hi Guys. None. These plugs are very efficent. Here is what waves sugggest
>>>> and really as shededsome light to the Native plugin delima.
>>>>
>>>> Waves says in the SSL docuemntation that these plugin require that your
>> DAW
>>>> run in 32 bit Video mode. If not,(And I have personally witnessed running
>>>> in 16 bot mode) these plugins are sluggish and will bore down your system.
>>>>
>>>> Plain and simple: The bettter your Video card is, the better overall
performance
>>>> you'll get with using the SSL plugs.
>>>>
>>>> This is a revelaion of sorts because, as Chuck Duffy once expalined
to
>> me,
>>>> The UAD PCI card is no more than a nice Video card. It seems that waves
>>>> have tapped into this technology of using the video card's dsp excellerators
>>>> to enhance the performance of their new SSL Plugins.
>>>>
>>>> Suffice it to say that, the better the video performance,the better
performance
>>>> of these new plugins..
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>>> LaMont. Is there a big latency issue with the URS plugins or the Waves
>> SSL
>>>>> pluygins with Paris?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Deej
>>>>>
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:451d4bf1$1@linux...
>>>>>> Hello To all,
>>>>>> Not to rain on the Liquid Channel, but we just got the Waves SSL bundle,
>>>>>> and all I can say is WOW!! DEAD On. We have a SSL 4000G/W E Series
EQ
>>>> 7
>>>>> Comp
>>>>>> /56 channels and those plugins sound just like the real things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I went to load up the VST /RTAS version demo to try out in Paris
>> &
>>>>> PT-Mpowered..
>>>>>> Needless to say, the SSL plugs sounds Wonderful in Paris.. Like Paris
>>>>> really
>>>>>> needed the help :)..But, it takes our beloved Paris sound to newer
>>>>> heights.
>>>>>> In Nuendo & PT, same results.. In those apps, you can hear the coloring
>>>> as
>>>>>> soon as you insert them on a channel!! :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These days there are some great Native Plugins that can hang with
UAD.
>>>>> Like
>>>>>> the URS line.. Their Neve, API, Pultec, fairchild,etc emulations are
>>>>> sweet!!..
>>>>>> With Intel announcing 80 cores on a chip in 5 years.. Native processing
>>>>> will
>>>>>> take over and we will soon reach BrianT coveted 64 sample stability
>> with
>>>>>> Zero latency native thru a DAW..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All in all, we are seeing the fruits with Sonar 6..Wow wahat a beauty!!
>>>>> And
>>>>>> the new featuers coming from Cubase4. Again WOW!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Neil" <
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| Re: still fighting for stability [message #72475 is a reply to message #72469] |
Fri, 15 September 2006 19:18 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris, from what I've read about it, it's supposed to be algo's
>>>>>>>> ported from the LiquidChannel, right? If you're a Mucusrite
>>>>>>>> dealer, you must have tried that unit out, yes? If so, what do
>>>>>>>> you think of that one? Sounds good? Not so good?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liquid Mix is not Algo based. It is convolution based. The only
>>>>> algorithms
>>>>>>> are containers that hold the various impulses. Both the "container"
>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> eq models and the one for compressor impulses are new as are most
of
>>>> the
>>>>>>> impulse responses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I only have a few hours playing with a friends unit in Logic. The
sound
>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>> is approximately equivalent to a UAD-1 (IMHO). Which is quite good
>> but
>>>>> not
>>>>>>> always the same as the original. The compressors are a little
>>>>> disconcerting
>>>>>>> to me. Many of the impulses are right-on but the algorithm for the
>>>>> container
>>>>>>> does not model the real attack, release, and timing attributes of
the
>>>>> original
>>>>>>> units, and this is a big part of the sound of any compressor. As
a
>>>>> result,
>>>>>>> all the compressors have a similar feel, but with the harmonic sound
>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> original sampled unit (I hope that's clear). They do sound good,
and
>>>>> varied,
>>>>>>> if not "real".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The EQ options were a little more disappointing for me. In a direct
>>>>> comparison
>>>>>>> to HydraTone and AngleTone (beta), I had a strong preference for
the
>>>>> TriTone
>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>> The hardware interface and DSP relief are indeed benefits. I do wish
>>>> the
>>>>>>> hardware unit chased the selected channel in the DAW. That was a
big
>>>>> disappointment.
>>>>>>> My friend is happy with his purchase, but I am still undecided. One
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> is that I am still contemplating getting a Duende and I am reasonably
>>>>> certain
>>>>>>> that even with a dedicated Firewire card added to my Mac, I could
never
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> both units to work together. I am hoping to borrow a Liquid Mix to
>> use
>>>>> more
>>>>>>> extensively in my room.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>For anyone who wants to check out some tunes from your favourite newsgroup
>host, please check out:
>
>http://www.myspace.com/drschnauberg
>
>I'm in the midst of a work ethic/method revolution, where I try and produce
>songs within the space of only a couple of hours. All these tunes are recorded
>mostly on my GNX-4 looper, then transferred to Paris and vocals and solos
>are added. It's usually about a 2-2.5 hour turnaround for a complete song.
>
>And yes some of the recording methods are dodgy... yes I need to get a
pop
>filter for the mic, and yes the harmonies in Revision need work, but hey,
>it's music, I'm getting it done quickly, and I'm having fun, and I think
>the vibe is there. :o)
>
>Tell me what you think...
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.
Cool vibes, cool grooves, cool music! Sounds good Kim, keep going. Don't
worry about production values, their good enough. You can worry about perfection
later, just get your music out of you.
Good job!
JamesJamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/24742
>
>Finally. Doesn't matter for me (dual processor) but for those who have
>been using quad boxes this is a welcome update.
>
>Not that Logic is likely to out of juice on two processors, but I'm sure
>it's fun to watch all the CPU meters moving. :^)
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Hey! What happened to the 80 core support? ; )Deej,
I hereby bequeath upon you, the title of "HONOURARY AUSTRALIAN"
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:451dfe0f$1@linux...
>
> "Kim W." <no@way.com> wrote:
>>Kenoath!!
>>(I speak for both us Kims)
>
> ROTLF!! Indeed he does. ;o)
>
> Cheers,
> Kim.
>
>
>
>
>>Kim W
>>
>>"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>I was wondering what that Holden was doing in my driveway and why I've
> been
>>>referring to gasoline as being "petrol" lately.
>>>Well, at least I have been paying fewer pence for it lately. If I'm you,
>>>then I can say cool stuff like "stone the crows" and it will be OK,
>>>right?
>>>
>>>;O)
>>>
>>>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:451deecc$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well I have no idea what Kim W looks like, as we have never been in the
>>>same
>>>> room together at the same time to my knowledge...
>>>>
>>>> ...hmm, never been seen in the same room at the same time eh? Hmm...
>>>>
>>>> ...though I am also about 5'9" and my hair these days somewhat
>>>"cueball'esque"...
>>>> so perhaps we are the same person. I hear we've never been seen in
> the
>>>> same room at the same time either... ;o)
>>>>
>>>> ...though if we are the same person, who was I talking to on the phone
>>the
>>>> other week... ...maybe my medication isn't working... ;o)
>>>>
>>>> ...and where the hell did I put those distressors?
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Kim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>> >Well, I've met Doug Wellington and he's about 6'4". I'm 5'9". He also
>>has
>>>> >hair down to his waist and I'm cueball'esque so there wouldn't be much
>>in
>>>> >the way of mistaking us for each other........oh yeah........he's
>>>*really*
>>>> >incredibly-as in genius level, smart as well so there's another
>>>> >dissimilarity. I'm not going to start talking about clothes,
>>>toothbrushes,
>>>> >etc. That's too gross. where'd you get that stuff anyway?
>>>> >
>>>> >;o)
>>>> >
>>>> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:451de552$1@linux...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >Yeah, OK, but are you really Kim.........or are you Kim?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well that is the question. And are you Deej? And who is this Animix
>>>fellow
>>>> >> who was posting a while back... and this guy Doug, how does he fit
>>>into
>>>> >> the picture? And do Doug Wellington's clothes fit this Animix guy?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> All these questions and more... ;o)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> Kim.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >;o)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> >news:451da750$1@linux...
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> "DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>>>> >> >> >If I don't have whatever this is, I will die.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Hehe, it's an oldie, but it still made me LOL. ;o)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> ...because I know it's true. ;o)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Cheers,
>>>> >> >> Kim.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Kim,
Thanks heaps for that. I've downloaded the two MP3's and am having a listen
now. Sounding excellent. Is this all your work or was some done elsewhere?
I'll have to check these guys out if they ever come over this way.
And do post about that other group. I'm very keen to have a listen...
Cheers,
Kim.
"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Kim.
>
>http://www.goose.com.au/multimedia.php
>There is a link to two mp3's and a bunch of videos.
>
>http://www.goose.com.au/index.php
>Here you will find a list of retailers.
>
>Will check out your stuff further on the studio monitors. Sounds great so
>far. Gotta keep painting the spare room right now.
>
>I recoreded a band called "Dragster" some years ago on my fostex
>b16. I will post a couple of songs somewhere and give you the links.
>They were a scream...should be up your alley also.
>In fact I'll start a new topic for the benefit of others overseas. Their
>stuff was priceless, wildly funky and funny as
>all hell. (very Australian as well).
>Cheers.
>
>
>
>
>
>"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Kim,
>>
>>I didn't see any links, but I didn't look that hard, and my monitors aren't
>>all that bright. I'll have a better look. I'm more than happy to shell
out
>>the cash as it's excellent work.
>>
>>If I get no joy trying to track down a copy I'll let you know. I've just
>>gotta get my hands on that though. Right up my alley...
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Kim.
>>
>>"Kim Dubya" <no@way.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Good stuff. Great live vibe!
>>>Overcompressed?, maybe a little for my tastes, bu
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