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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #85934 is a reply to message #85924] |
Sun, 03 June 2007 23:27   |
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Deej [4]
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br />
>>>>
>>>>>somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water temperatures
>>>>
>>>>>this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in and
>>of
>>>>
>>>>>itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>is
>>>> to
>>>>>turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today. Where
>>>> did
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to compare.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall behind!!!
hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know they
need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are all
going to die!!! What bull shit!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands are
>>disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>correct it.
>>the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>
>>
>
>Yeah it is!
>
>>
>>On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove that
>it
>>>is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>of frost bite.
>>>
>>>If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking about???
>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00) degrees
>>>
>>>>longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>
>>>>I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your dragging me in to th
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #85935 is a reply to message #85924] |
Sun, 03 June 2007 23:38 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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is. The european space agency has been taking
>>>
>>>>> photos
>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and
all
>>>
>>>>> that.
>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all. They
>>>are
>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al
Gore
>>>
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10 and
>
>>>>> turning
>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>hand
>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>to
>>>
>>>>> study
>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want to
>get
>>>
>>>>> funding
>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made global
>>>
>>>>> warming
>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming. Man
>made
>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has been
>>>
>>>>> warming
>>>>> the earth.
>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you
can't.
>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through cycles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the
70s
>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>of
>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and hurricanes
>>>>>
>>>>>>and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half century
>>>>>
>>>>>>mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>as
>>>>>
>>>>>>somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water temperatures
>>>>>
>>>>>>this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in and
>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>is
>>>>> to
>>>>>>turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today. Where
>>>>> did
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to compare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #85967 is a reply to message #85935] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 08:07 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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>>it
>>>>is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>>of frost bite.
>>>>
>>>>If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>>>about???
>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>degrees
>>>>
>>>>>longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Deej
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>>>>> taking
>>>>
>>>>>> photos
>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and
> all
>>>>
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all. They
>>>>are
>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al
> Gore
>>>>
>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10 and
>>
>>>>>> turning
>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>>hand
>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>>to
>>>>
>>>>>> study
>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want to
>>get
>>>>
>>>>>> funding
>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>> global
>>>>
>>>>>> warming
>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming. Man
>>made
>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has been
>>>>
>>>>>> warming
>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you
> can't.
>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the
> 70s
>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>>of
>>>>my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>hurricanes
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>>>>>>>century
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>as
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>temperatures
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in and
>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>>is
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.c
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #85980 is a reply to message #85967] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 09:58 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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om> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>>>>>>>>Where
>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to
>>>>>>>>>compare.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe in funding
bullshit!
Global warming is a boondoggle!
"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>to destroy religion.
>
>S
>
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>
>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>> behind!!!
>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know
>> they
>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>
>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are
all
>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands are
>>>>disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>>>deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>correct it.
>>>>the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>>>leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah it is!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove that
>>>it
>>>>>is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>>>of frost bite.
>>>>>
>>>>>If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>>>>about???
>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>>degrees
>>>>>
>>>>>>longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Deej
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>
>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and
>> all
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
They
>>>>>are
>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al
>> Gore
>>>>>
>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>> be involved if it
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #85985 is a reply to message #85980] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 10:44 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
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Location: Metro Detroit
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wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
and
>>>
>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>>>hand
>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
to
>>>get
>>>>>
>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>>> global
>>>>>
>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
Man
>>>made
>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has
been
>>>>>
>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you
>> can't.
>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the
>> 70s
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>>>of
>>>>>my
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>>hurricanes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>>>>>>>>century
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>temperatures
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in
and
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>>>is
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>>>>>>>>>Where
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to
>>>>>>>>>>compare.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>no it's not.
On 5 Jun 2007 03:44:17 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands are
>>disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>correct it.
>>the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>
>>
>
>Yeah it is!
>
>>
>>On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #86017 is a reply to message #85985] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 16:49 |
excelav
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64;hotmail.com" target="_blank">excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove that
>it
>>>is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>of frost bite.
>>>
>>>If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking about???
>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00) degrees
>>>
>>>>longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>
>>>>I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been taking
>>>
>>>>> photos
>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and all
>>>
>>>>> that.
>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all. They
>>>are
>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>
>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al Gore
>>>
>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10 and
>
>>>>> turning
>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>hand
>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>
>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>to
>>>
>>>>> study
>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want to
>get
>>>
>>>>> funding
>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made global
>>>
>>>>> warming
>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming. Man
>made
>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has been
>>>
>>>>> warming
>>>>> the earth.
>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you can't.
>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through cycles.
>>>>>
>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the 70s
>>>
>>>>> that
>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>of
>>>my
>>>>>
>>>>>>life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and hurricanes
>>>>>
>>>>>>and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half century
>>>>>
>>>>>>mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>as
>>>>>
>>>>>>somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water temperatures
>>>>>
>>>>>>this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in and
>>>of
>>>>>
>>>>>>itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>is
>>>>> to
>>>>>>turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today. Where
>>>>> did
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to compare.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
read temperature records is disputing it.
Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These are
not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.
They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.
These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
good news.
Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.
How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
choose an optimal combination.
I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
increase our energy independence and national security. This could be a
net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of not
dealing with it and think again.
At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?
It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
wisely for the next generations.
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #86038 is a reply to message #86017] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 21:02 |
Sarah
Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007
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/>
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe in funding
> bullshit!
>
> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>
>> to destroy religion.
>>
>> S
>>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>>> behind!!!
>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know
>
>>> they
>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>
>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are
> all
>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands are
>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>> correct it.
>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>
>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove that
>>>> it
>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off because
>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>
>>>>>> about???
>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>
>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break and
>>> all
>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
> They
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like Al
>>> Gore
>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
> and
>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue and
>>>> hand
>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a year
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
> to
>>>> get
>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
> Man
>>>> made
>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has
> been
>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming, you
>>> can't.
>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>
>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in the
>>> 70s
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good part
>>>> of
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>
>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes in
> and
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical storm
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992 to
>
>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>&
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #86046 is a reply to message #86038] |
Mon, 04 June 2007 23:40 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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gt;>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>Sure the earth has heated up, the earth has been going through a sun cycle.
The has gone through cycles through it's history. There is no proof the
man made global warming is a serious problem. Sure we should cut back, but
we are not in eminent threat of destroying the earth from man made global
warming. It's not a fact. There are just as many scientist that disagree
with it. The alarmist are profiteering from it. It's a scare tactic. The
scientist that say man made global warming is going to destroy the earth
are being funded to study to study man global warming. It's billion dollars
a year. Those scientist want more money to continue studying man made global
warming. They want more money, and if enough suckers buy in to it they will
legislate laws and taxes. It's about money, that's the real truth! People
are getting rich on this. It's about profiteering on a lie.
Go look at the history of DuPont Freon. When DuPont was going to lose their
patent and freon and it was going to become public domain they band freon.
The said freon was bad for the environment and it was causing a hole in
the ozone layer. So DuPont came up with a new patented coolant gas, which
our government approved. DuPont has an exclusive on government approved
refrigerant. That's how this stuff works, it's about money. Look at what
refrigerant now cost, it's not $3.00 a can anymore.
Sorry I'm not buying in to the bullshit, and I'm not about to pay carbon
offset taxes and hand the wealth of the USA to third world countries.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
>read temperature records is disputing it.
>
>Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
>compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These are
>not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
>not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.
>
>They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.
>
>These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
>about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
>on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
>good news.
>
>Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.
>
>How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
>choose an optimal combination.
>
>I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
>increase our energy independence and national security. This could be a
>net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
>anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of not
>dealing with it and think again.
>
>At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
>bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
>about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
>scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
>doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
>when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?
>
>It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
>wisely for the next generations.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe in
funding
>> bullshit!
>>
>> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>>
>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>>
>>> to destroy religion.
>>>
>>> S
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>>>> behind!!!
>>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know
>>
>>>> they
>>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>>
>>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are
>> all
>>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands
are
>>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>>> correct it.
>>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove
that
>>>>> it
>>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off
because
>>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>
>>>>>>> about???
>>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>
>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break
and
>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
>> They
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like
Al
>>>> Gore
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
>> and
>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue
and
>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a
year
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
>> to
>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
>> Man
>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has
>> been
>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>&g
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| Re: algore in hell again... [message #86051 is a reply to message #85985] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 01:47 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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t;> the earth.
>>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming,
you
>>>> can't.
>>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>
>>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in
the
>>>> 70s
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good
part
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>>
>>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes
in
>> and
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical
storm
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992
to
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
> Sure the earth has heated up, the earth has been going through a sun cycle.
Prove it. You can't. The data does not support the assertion that the
current warming is caused entirely by changes in the sun.
If that were the case, if the proof were there, then that would be the
scientific consensus. It's not.
> The has gone through cycles through it's history.
True.
> There is no proof the
> man made global warming is a serious problem.
False.
There is solid evidence from multiple scientific fields, from scientists
in the USA and all over the world. And it would be extremely foolish to
ignore it.
> Sure we should cut back,
Yes.
> but we are not in eminent threat of destroying the earth from man made global
> warming.
No, it won't blow up tomorrow. It will just slowly keep heating and
that's not great for our species over time.
Or other species.
The planet will still be around though even if we make it less livable
for ourselves and future generations.
As we pass certain triggers, the heating could accelerate.
Not the best future to choose. And we can still choose.
> It's not a fact. There are just as many scientist that disagree
> with it.
Oh good grief. If you want to go by scientist count the vast majority of
climate scientists AGREE that human causes are contributing to the
current global warming.
Because that is what the hard science indicates.
Some disagree on this or that minor point, and that's typical, but they
agree on the fundamental facts.
A very few disagree on larger points and that's also typical.
Disagreement is a part of how science works. Some of those scientists
are clearly wrong and have been well debunked. Some are funded by the
oil and gas lobby. You could look it up.
> The alarmist are profiteering from it. It's a scare tactic. The
> scientist that say man made global warming is going to destroy the earth
> are being funded to study to study man global warming. It's billion dollars
> a year. Those scientist want more money to continue studying man made global
> warming. They want more money, and if enough suckers buy in to it they will
> legislate laws and taxes. It's about money, that's the real truth! People
> are getting rich on this. It's about profiteering on a lie.
Anyone who thinks that's all there is to it is seriously misguided. Read
the science. Get past the disinformation campaign.
Profiteering should be avoided everywhere. In global warming,
absolutely. And in Iraq (start there if you want to stop profiteering
right now). And everywhere else.
But sound science should not be ignored because a few charlatans may exist.
IOW, yes, please, go ahead and weed out any actual charlatans. But do
not, DO NOT tar all the hard working and honest scientists with that
brush. It's unfair, inaccurate and ridiculous. And to ignore the
evidence is dangerous.
> Go look at the history of DuPont Freon. When DuPont was going to lose their
> patent and freon and it was going to become public domain they band freon.
> The said freon was bad for the environment and it was causing a hole in
> the ozone layer. So DuPont came up with a new patented coolant ga
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| Facts and Action (was Re: algore in hell again...) [message #86106 is a reply to message #86046] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 14:31 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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s, which
> our government approved. DuPont has an exclusive on government approved
> refrigerant. That's how this stuff works, it's about money. Look at what
> refrigerant now cost, it's not $3.00 a can anymore.
I have no argument about stopping a company from profiteering. However
that is a separate issue from climate change.
You should read up on the science and maybe you can find a way to help
solve both problems, that of profiteering AND that of human
contributions to global warming.
There is no rational justification for using fear of profiteering to
completely ignore or dismiss the real problem of human contributions to
global warming. Unless you own Exxon, are short sighted, and value short
term profits over a wise stewardship of our planet.
> Sorry I'm not buying in to the bullshit, and I'm not about to pay carbon
> offset taxes and hand the wealth of the USA to third world countries.
Do it some other way then, James. Solve the problem. Do not hide behind
some foolish political smokescreen served up by blowhard media
entertainers dishing up the PR campaign of fossil fuel industries.
I'm quite surprised you would be taken in by that, as sensitive as you
say you are to ripoffs.
Read the actual science. Get past the disinformation. See where the real
bullshit is, and be part of the solution.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
>> read temperature records is disputing it.
>>
>> Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
>> compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These are
>
>> not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
>> not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.
>>
>> They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.
>>
>> These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
>
>> about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
>
>> on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
>> good news.
>>
>> Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.
>>
>> How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
>> choose an optimal combination.
>>
>> I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
>
>> increase our energy independence and national security. This could be a
>
>> net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
>> anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of not
>
>> dealing with it and think again.
>>
>> At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
>> bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
>> about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
>> scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
>> doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
>> when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?
>>
>> It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
>> wisely for the next generations.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe in
> funding
>>> bullshit!
>>>
>>> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>>>
>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>>>> to destroy religion.
>>>>
>>>> S
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>
>>>>> behind!!!
>>>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them know
>>>>> they
>>>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we are
>>> all
>>>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands
> are
>>>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard to
>>>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>>>> correct it.
>>>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always the
>>>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove
> that
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off
> because
>>>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>>>>>>> about???
>>>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>
>>>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break
> and
>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
>
>>> They
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like
> Al
>>>>> Gore
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue
> and
>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars a
> year
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
>>> to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>
>>>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
>
>>> Man
>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that has
>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming,
> you
>>>>> can't.
>>>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in
> the
>>>>> 70s
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good
> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>
>>>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the half
>>>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes
> in
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| Facts and Action (was Re: algore in hell again...) [message #86110 is a reply to message #86106] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 16:04 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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>>> and
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical
> storm
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992
> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Hey, believe what you want.
And you can't prove there is a problem caused by man made global warming.
It's a theory, it's not a fact. You can't even prove there is a problem.
We know that man contributes to pollution, and we should all try to reduce
that. I think your the one that is being taken by the B.S. of scientist
and former politicians that are profiteering from the global warming scare.
Go read what the other scientist are saying. There is another side to the
story.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>James McCloskey wrote:
>> Sure the earth has heated up, the earth has been going through a sun cycle.
>
>Prove it. You can't. The data does not support the assertion that the
>current warming is caused entirely by changes in the sun.
>
>If that were the case, if the proof were there, then that would be the
>scientific consensus. It's not.
>
>
>> The has gone through cycles through it's history.
>
>True.
>
>
>> There is no proof the
>> man made global warming is a serious problem.
>
>False.
>
>There is solid evidence from multiple scientific fields, from scientists
>in the USA and all over the world. And it would be extremely foolish to
>ignore it.
>
>
>> Sure we should cut back,
>
>Yes.
>
>
>> but we are not in eminent threat of destroying the earth from man made
global
>> warming.
>
>No, it won't blow up tomorrow. It will just slowly keep heating and
>that's not great for our species over time.
>
>Or other species.
>
>The planet will still be around though even if we make it less livable
>for ourselves and future generations.
>
>As we pass certain triggers, the heating could accelerate.
>
>Not the best future to choose. And we can still choose.
>
>
>> It's not a fact. There are just as many scientist that disagree
>> with it.
>
>Oh good grief. If you want to go by scientist count the vast majority of
>climate scientists AGREE that human causes are contributing to the
>current global warming.
>
>Because that is what the hard science indicates.
>
>Some disagree on this or that minor point, and that's typical, but they
>agree on the fundamental facts.
>
>A very few disagree on larger points and that's also typical.
>Disagreement is a part of how science works. Some of those scientists
>are clearly wrong and have been well debunked. Some are funded by the
>oil and gas lobby. You could look it up.
>
>
>> The alarmist are profiteering from it. It's a scare tactic. The
>> scientist that say man made global warming is going to destroy the earth
>> are being funded to study to study man global warming. It's billion dollars
>> a year. Those scientist want more money to continue studying man made
global
>> warming. They want more money, and if enough suckers buy in to it they
will
>> legislate laws and taxes. It's about money, that's the real truth! People
>> are getting rich on this. It's about profiteering on a lie.
>
>Anyone who thinks that's all there is to it is seriously misguided. Read
>the science. Get past the disinformation campaign.
>
>Profiteering should be avoided everywhere. In global warming,
>absolutely. And in Iraq (start there if you want to stop profiteering
>right now). And everywhere else.
>
>But sound science should not be ignored because a few charlatans may exist.
>
>IOW, yes, please, go ahead and weed out any actual charlatans. But do
>not, DO NOT tar all the hard working and honest scientists with that
>brush. It's unfair, inaccurate and ridiculous. And to ignore the
>evidence is dangerous.
>
>
>> Go look at the history of DuPont Freon. When DuPont was going to lose
their
>> patent and freon and it was going to become public domain they band freon.
>> The said freon was bad for the environment and it was causing a hole
in
>> the ozone layer. So DuPont came up with a new patented coolant gas, which
>> our government approved. DuPont has an exclusive on government approved
>> refrigerant. That's how this stuff works, it's about money. Look at
what
>> refrigerant now cost, it's not $3.00 a can anymore.
>
>I have no argument about stopping a company from profiteering. However
>that is a separate issue from climate change.
>
>You should read up on the science and maybe you can find a way to help
>solve both problems, that of profiteering AND that of human
>contributions to global warming.
>
>There is no rational justification for using fear of profiteering to
>completely ignore or dismiss the real problem of human contributions to
>global warming. Unless you own Exxon, are short sighted, and value short
>term profits over a wise stewardship of our planet.
>
>
>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the bullshit, and I'm not about to pay carbon
>> offset taxes and hand the wealth of the USA to third world countries.
>
>Do it some other way then, James. Solve the problem. Do not hide behind
>some foolish political smokescreen served up by blowhard media
>entertainers dishing up the PR campaign of fossil fuel industries.
>
>I'm quite surprised you would be taken in by that, as sensitive as you
>say you are to ripoffs.
>
>Read the actual science. Get past the disinformation. See where the real
>bullshit is, and be part of the solution.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>> James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
>>> read temperature records is disputing it.
>>>
>>> Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
>>> compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These
are
>>
>>> not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
>>> not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.
>>>
>>> They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.
>>>
>>> These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
>>
>>> about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
>>
>>> on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
>>> good news.
>>>
>>> Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.
>>>
>>> How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
>>> choose an optimal combination.
>>>
>>> I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
>>
>>> increase our energy independence and national security. This could be
a
>>
>>> net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
>>> anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of
not
>>
>>> dealing with it and think again.
>>>
>>> At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
>>> bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
>>> about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
>>> scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
>>> doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
>>> when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?
>>>
>>> It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
>>> wisely for the next generations.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe
in
>> funding
>>>> bullshit!
>>>>
>>>> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>>>>
>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>>>>> to destroy religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> S
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>>>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>>
>>>>>> behind!!!
>>>>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them
know
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we
are
>>>> all
>>>>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands
>> are
>>>>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard
to
>>>>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>>>>> correct it.
>>>>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always
the
>>>>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove
>> that
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off
>> because
>>>>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>>>>>>>> about???
>>>>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>&
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Tue, 05 June 2007 16:27 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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gt;>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>
>>>>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break
>> and
>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
>>
>>>> They
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like
>> Al
>>>>>> Gore
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue
>> and
>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars
a
>> year
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
>>>> to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
>>
>>>> Man
>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that
has
>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming,
>> you
>>>>>> can't.
>>>>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>>>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in
>> the
>>>>>> 70s
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good
>> part
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the
half
>>>>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>>>>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes
>> in
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical
>> storm
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>James, I pay attention to the actual science on this issue.
I have had the privilege of working with atmospheric scientists who are
honest, hard working and not part of any imagined global conspiracy.
They, and scientists in general, do not deserve your exaggerated,
inaccurate portrayal. Rather, they deserve our gratitude and thanks.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
James McCloskey wrote:
> Hey, believe what you want.
>
> And you can't prove there is a problem caused by man made global warming.
> It's a theory, it's not a fact. You can't even prove there is a problem.
> We know that man contributes to pollution, and we should all try to reduce
> that. I think your the one that is being taken by the B.S. of scientist
> and former politicians that are profiteering from the global warming scare.
> Go read what the other scientist are saying. There is another side to the
> story.
>
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> Sure the earth has heated up, the earth has been going through a sun cycle.
>> Prove it. You can't. The data does not support the assertion that the
>> current warming is caused entirely by changes in the sun.
>>
>> If that were the case, if the proof were there, then that would be the
>> scientific consensus. It's not.
>>
>>
>>> The has gone through cycles through it's history.
>> True.
>>
>>
>>> There is no proof the
>>> man made global warming is a serious problem.
>> False.
>>
>> There is solid evidence from multiple scientific fields, from scientists
>
>> in the USA and all over the world. And it would be extremely foolish to
>
>> ignore it.
>>
>>
>>> Sure we should cut back,
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>>> but we are not in eminent threat of destroying the earth from man made
> global
>>> warming.
>> No, it won't blow up tomorrow. It will just slowly keep heating and
>> that's not great for our species over time.
>>
>> Or other species.
>>
>> The planet will still be around though even if we make it less livable
>> for ourselves and future generations.
>>
>> As we pass certain triggers, the heating could accelerate.
>>
>> Not the best future to choose. And we can still choose.
>>
>>
>>> It's not a fact. There are just as many scientist that disagree
>>> with it.
>> Oh good grief. If you want to go by scientist count the vast majority of
>
>> climate scientists AGREE that human causes are contributing to the
>> current global warming.
>>
>> Because that is what the hard science indicates.
>>
>> Some disagree on this or that minor point, and that's typical, but they
>
>> agree on the fundamental facts.
>>
>> A very few disagree on larger points and that's also typical.
>> Disagreement is a part of how science works. Some of those scientists
>> are clearly wrong and have been well debunked. Some are funded by the
>> oil and gas lobby. You could look it up.
>>
>>
>>> The alarmist are profiteering from it. It's a scare tactic. The
>>> scientist that say man made global warming is going to destroy the earth
>>> are being funded to study to study man global warming. It's billion dollars
>>> a year. Those scientist want more money to continue studying man made
> global
>>> warming. They want more money, and if enough suckers buy in to it they
> will
>>> legislate laws and taxes. It's about money, that's the real truth! People
>>> are getting rich on this. It's about profiteering on a lie.
>> Anyone who thinks that's all there is to it is seriously misguided. Read
>
>> the science. Get past the disinformation campaign.
>>
>> Profiteering should be avoided everywhere. In global warming,
>> absolutely. And in Iraq (start there if you want to stop profiteering
>> right now). And everywhere else.
>>
>> But sound science should not be ignored because a few charlatans may exist.
>>
>> IOW, yes, please, go ahead and weed out any actual charlatans. But do
>> not, DO NOT tar all the hard working and honest scientists with that
>> brush. It's unfair, inaccurate and ridiculous. And to ignore the
>> evidence is dangerous.
>>
>>
>>> Go look at the history of DuPont Freon. When DuPont was going to lose
> their
>>> patent and freon and it was going to become public domain they band freon.
>>> The said freon was bad for the environment and it was causing a hole
> in
>>> the ozone layer. So DuPont came up with a new patented coolant gas, which
>>> our government approved. DuPont has an exclusive on government approved
>>> refrigerant. That's how this stuff works, it's about money. Look at
> what
>>> refrigerant now cost, it's not $3.00 a can anymore.
>> I have no argument about stopping a company from profiteering. However
>> that is a separate issue from climate change.
>>
>> You should read up on the science and maybe you can find a way to help
>> solve both problems, that of profiteering AND that of human
>> contributions to global warming.
>>
>> There is no rational justification for using fear of profiteering to
>> completely ignore or dismiss the real problem of human contributions to
>
>> global warming. Unless you own Exxon, are short sighted, and value short
>
>> term profits over a wise stewardship of our planet.
>>
>>
>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the bullshit, and I'm not about to pay carbon
>>> offset taxes and hand the wealth of the USA to third world countries.
>> Do it some other way then, James. Solve the problem. Do not hide behind
>
>> some foolish political smokescreen served up by blowhard media
>> entertainers dishing up the PR campaign of fossil fuel industries.
>>
>> I'm quite surprised you would be taken in by that, as sensitive as you
>> say you are to ripoffs.
>>
>> Read the actual science. Get past the disinformation. See where the real
>
>> bullshit is, and be part of the solution.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>> James, the current global warming is a measured fact. No one who can
>
>>>> read temperature records is disputing it.
>>>>
>>>> Evidence for human contribution to the current global warming is quite
>
>>>> compelling and well accepted among climate scientists overall. These
> are
>>>> not stupid people and they are not conspiring to rip us off. They are
>
>>>> not political pundits, talk show windbags, politicians or mafioso.
>>>>
>>>> They are scientists, geeks, nerds and, some of them, real heroes.
>>>>
>>>> These scientists have invested their lives in learning all that we know
>>>> about climate. Based on their excellent research, we know enough to act
>>>> on, and we know it in time for actions to make a difference - which is
>
>>>> good news.
>>>>
>>>> Not acting would be completely irresponsible, given the risks.
>>>>
>>>> How we act is up for discussion. There are many options, we need to
>>>> choose an optimal combination.
>>>>
>>>> I favor acting in ways that build the economy, stimulate innovation and
>>>> increase our energy independence and national security. This could be
> a
>>>> net win rather than a huge cost. Anyone who thinks dealing with
>>>> anthropogenic global warming is too expensive, total up the costs of
> not
>>>> dealing with it and think again.
>>>>
>>>> At this point, after decades of serious scientific study, calling it
>
>>>> bullshit is bullshit. You may think some folks are being too alarmist
>
>>>> about it, and maybe they are. But climate change is a problem, the
>>>> scientific evidence is there, and it won't go away by pretending it
>>>> doesn't exist or being fearful about stepping up to the plate. Since
>
>>>> when have we been afraid to face facts in this country?
>>>>
>>>> It's time to keep our heads out of the sand, act prudently, and plan
>
>>>> wisely for the next generations.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>>> I believe in science, I believe in funding science. I don't believe
> in
>>> funding
>>>>> bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>> Global warming is a boondoggle!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, let's not finance science whatever we do. It's just a big conspiracy
>>>>>> to destroy religion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4664a51e$1@linux...
>>>>>>> Sounding the alarm bells!!! It's a crisis!!! We are going to fall
>>>>>>>
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| Re: Facts and Action (was Re: algore in hell again...) [message #86131 is a reply to message #86116] |
Tue, 05 June 2007 18:26 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
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behind!!!
>>>>>>> hurry, hurry, hurry! Call your government officials and let them
> know
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> need to spend, spend, spend!!! Money, money, money!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Boy, if we don't spend more money on this global warming thing we
> are
>>>>> all
>>>>>>> going to die!!! What bull shit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19030744/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> i guess you'd have to go to mylasia and the sort where the islands
>>> are
>>>>>>>>> disappearing under the sea a little each year. i don't know why
>>>>>>>>> people insist on global cataclysm before the "possibility" exists.
>>>>>>>>> shit happens and happens all the time and historically we've had
>>>>>>>>> warming and cooling trends on this blue marble. i find it hard
> to
>>>>>>>>> deny that we (all 6 billion plus) do not negatively impact our
>>>>>>>>> surroundings in some way and possibly faster than the planet can
>>>>>>>>> correct it.
>>>>>>>>> the "it's all about money" works both ways and it ain't always
> the
>>>>>>>>> leftie commie longhair atheists makin' a buck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah it is!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5 Jun 2007 01:07:29 +1000, "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There were a bunch of Greens that went to the north poll to prove
>>> that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> is now warm. They literally had to cut their feet and hands off
>>> because
>>>>>>>>>> of frost bite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it has already melted where are all the floods Al Gore is talking
>>>>>>>>>> about???
>>>>>>>>>> It's still bullshit!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> James...........go to Google Earth and find the north Pole (0:00)
>>>>>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>>>>>> longitude and 90:00 latitude and tell me if you see any snow there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll save you some time.......it's water now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Deej
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:4663a090$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Your dragging me in to this. The european space agency has been
>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> photos
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the polar caps for years. They say that they melt an break
>>> and
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They say they refreeze, and are staying the same size over all.
>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> not shrinking, it's a big lie!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Al Gore is a lier. It's about money! A greasy politician like
>>> Al
>>>>>>> Gore
>>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be involved if it wasn't. He is buying Global offsets for $0.10
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> turning
>>>>>>>>>>>> and selling them to us for a dollar, it's about money. These
>>>>>>>>>>>> trilateralist
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to turn it in to a tax. they want to take the tax revenue
>>> and
>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>> it to third world countries. Guilt tax!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The truth is, our government spends over two billion dollars
> a
>>> year
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> study
>>>>>>>>>>>> this. The scientist that are on the government gravy train want
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> funding
>>>>>>>>>>>> increased. Other scientist are saying it's not true. Man made
>>>>>>>>>>>> global
>>>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a scam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientist are divided on this issue of man made Global Warming.
>>>>> Man
>>>>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>>>>> Global Warming is a theory. There is no conclusive proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> All the scientist know we are going through a sun cycle that
> has
>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>> warming
>>>>>>>>>>>> the earth.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Show me some proof that people are dyeing from Global Warming,
>>> you
>>>>>>> can't.
>>>>>>>>>>>> There has always been bad weather. The earth always goes through
>>>>>>>>>>>> cycles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The guy that came up with man made global warming said back in
>>> the
>>>>>>> 70s
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> we would be in an ice age right now. So which is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's about money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry I'm not buying in to the man's bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm serious James. I grew up in south Texas, and spent a good
>>> part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life on the Gulf coast. there were droughts and heat waves and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hurricanes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and all sorts of cyclical weather events. I'm well over the
> half
>>>>>>>>>>>>> century
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mark so I may have a little perspective on this due to my qualifying
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat of an old fart, and I've never seen sustained water
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> temperatures
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this high in the gulf of Mexico. that may not cause hurricanes
>>> in
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself, but it the warmer the water, the more likely a tropical
>>> storm
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn into a real motherfucker on the half shell.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46638b62$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check the polar icecap. This was taken from Google Earth today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where
>>>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go...or has it always been this tiny?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't find any satellite photos of the North Pole in 1992
>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's probably Bush's fault.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gore melted it with all his hot air!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthetroposphere.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:46630a29$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html? id=c47c1209-233b-412c-b6d1-5c755457a8af
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is getting interesting innit?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
Why did I move here again???
David.EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
>
>Why did I move here again???
>
>David.
W've had over 2' of snow here in the last 24 hours, on top of another 12'
that happened last Thursday.........and it's still coming down. Up higher,
at the ski resorts, we've had 56" in the last 48 hours. We're over 150% of
the average annual snowfall for this region already and it usually doesn't
really start snowing hard here until mid February.
We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in front
of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can still
get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this with a
snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.Don't feel bad too Deej. At least you're at home. I just read about a
snowed in train station in Southern China that has 200,000+ people
trying to get home for new years.
Wish i was at Crested Butte. Is that near you? Monarch? Telluride?
Deej wrote:
> EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>> Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
>>
>> Why did I move here again???
>>
>> David.
>
> W've had over 2' of snow here in the last 24 hours, on top of another 12'
> that happened last Thursday.........and it's still coming down. Up higher,
> at the ski resorts, we've had 56" in the last 48 hours. We're over 150% of
> the average annual snowfall for this region already and it usually doesn't
> really start snowing hard here until mid February.
>
> We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in front
> of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can still
> get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this with a
> snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.
>
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Don't feel bad too Deej. At least you're at home. I just read about a
>snowed in train station in Southern China that has 200,000+ people
>trying to get home for new years.
>
>Wish i was at Crested Butte. Is that near you? Monarch? Telluride?
We're about 40 miles as the crow flies or 120 miles by road from Telluride.
It's a three hour drive. Today, the roads between there and here are closed
to traffic. Crested Butte is about 120 miles north of here by road.
>Deej wrote:
>> EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
>>>
>>> Why did I move here again???
>>>
>>> David.
>>
>> W've had over 2' of snow here in the last 24 hours, on top of another
12'
>> that happened last Thursday.........and it's still coming down. Up higher,
>> at the ski resorts, we've had 56" in the last 48 hours. We're over 150%
of
>> the average annual snowfall for this region already and it usually doesn't
>> really start snowing hard here until mid February.
>>
>> We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in front
>> of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can
still
>> get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this with
a
>> snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.
>>
>>
>>Sunny and in the 40's here in Co. Springs - just a couple of dozen miles
east of the blizzard DJ is getting hammered with.
It's pretty much an epic year for skiing. Might have to take a break from
the long studio days once this storm passes and roads and passes clear a
bit.
Dedric
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479e3ee6$1@linux...
> Don't feel bad too Deej. At least you're at home. I just read about a
> snowed in train station in Southern China that has 200,000+ people trying
> to get home for new years.
>
> Wish i was at Crested Butte. Is that near you? Monarch? Telluride?
>
> Deej wrote:
>> EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
>>>
>>> Why did I move here again???
>>>
>>> David.
>>
>> W've had over 2' of snow here in the last 24 hours, on top of another 12'
>> that happened last Thursday.........and it's still coming down. Up
>> higher,
>> at the ski resorts, we've had 56" in the last 48 hours. We're over 150%
>> of
>> the average annual snowfall for this region already and it usually
>> doesn't
>> really start snowing hard here until mid February.
>>
>> We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in
>> front
>> of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can
>> still
>> get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this with a
>> snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.
>>
>>We're in the 50's just up the road in Denver. Toasty! Very little snow
left on the ground.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Dedric Terry wrote:
> Sunny and in the 40's here in Co. Springs - just a couple of dozen miles
> east of the blizzard DJ is getting hammered with.
>
> It's pretty much an epic year for skiing. Might have to take a break
> from the long studio days once this storm passes and roads and passes
> clear a bit.
>
> Dedric
>
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479e3ee6$1@linux...
>> Don't feel bad too Deej. At least you're at home. I just read about a
>> snowed in train station in Southern China that has 200,000+ people
>> trying to get home for new years.
>>
>> Wish i was at Crested Butte. Is that near you? Monarch? Telluride?
>>
>> Deej wrote:
>>> EK Sound <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59C >:(
>>>>
>>>> Why did I move here again???
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>
>>> W've had over 2' of snow here in the last 24 hours, on top of another
>>> 12'
>>> that happened last Thursday.........and it's still coming down. Up
>>> higher,
>>> at the ski resorts, we've had 56" in the last 48 hours. We're over
>>> 150% of
>>> the average annual snowfall for this region already and it usually
>>> doesn't
>>> really start snowing hard here until mid February.
>>>
>>> We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in
>>> front
>>> of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can
>>> still
>>> get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this
>>> with a
>>> snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.
>>>
>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote in message news:479e3a9d$1@linux...
>
> We are literally snowed in today. I've got a wall of snow 4' high in front
> of my front door. It slid off the roof and now I can't open it. I can
> still
> get out the back door however so I'm getting ready to attack this with a
> snow shovel and propane burner in a little while.
>
Why not just plug in a behringer headphone amp and toss it out the window
where you want a path? Less work that way.We're having blizzard conditions onight. Wind blowing around 45 MPH with lots
of snow. Crash hates windsorms so he is not happy about this and is trying
to curl up in my lap. I do not have sufficient lap.Must be global warming. Anyone seen this? If you've got an hour check it
out. It may take a minute or two to load.
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/ha4PoKY/The-Great-Global-Warm ing-Swindle
Rich
"EK Sound" <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote in message news:479e36ad$1@linux...
> Woke up this morning and the temp with wind chill was -59
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