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| Re: the Punk chronicles....... [message #92990 is a reply to message #92988] |
Fri, 23 November 2007 22:08   |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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>But thanks for the nice compliment. I should tell you, though, that I'm not
>particularly young, and the fact that I can count spilled toothpicks at a
>glance doesn't make me bright.
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>I'm an excellent driver.
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>S
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>"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:478a535f$1@linux...
>> Well done, class! Your answers are all correct, but as usual our bright
>> young lady is most astute. In the '60s psychiatry started a campaign to
>> influence the schools and school systems and the teaching colleges in a
>> big way.
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>> In the '50s at an annual convention, the head of American Psychiatric
>> Association publicly declared their new goal of creating a "Value Neutral
>> Society". Their aim was to blur and eradicate the distinction between
>> right and wrong.
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>> They knew that the sure way to change society was by influencing the
>> children. Psychiatrists have gradually introduced to our schools the mass
>> drugging of children and even infants (approximately 8 million on Ritalin
>> type drugs), Outcome Based Education (doesn't matter how much or how well
>> children learn, just that they felt good about it) and the rest of their
>> psuchobabble notions of how people should think and behave.
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>> Who was the most influential proponent of the "drug culture"? Not
>> coincidentally, a psychologist and college professor, Dr. Timothy Leary.
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>> When you hear someone derided for being "judgmental", that is the
>> influence of psychiatric double speak. Smart, ethical people used to be
>> regarded as showing "good judgment", but now that positive attribute of
>> being able to rightly judge people and situations has been slyly skewed
>> into a bad thing. I'm sure you have noticed other examples of how
>> illogical psychiatric concepts have replaced good reasonin
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| Re: the Punk chronicles....... [message #93009 is a reply to message #93005] |
Sat, 24 November 2007 12:27 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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. DC name checks Richard Dawkins! That's like
me quoting ibn-Qutab or Pat Robertson with a straight face!
This is classic mis-reading of Dawkins, which is unsurprising. Between the
two of us 'The God Delusion' has been read twice, both times by me. Dawkins
goes to great length in the first chapter of that book to defend against
precisely what you're doing. That is, many scientists are 'social Christians,'
that is, they go to church to meet their friends and neighbors before settling
down to watch the Sunday football game. It's a very English thing, walk down
to see the vicar, talk about the rain, see the neighbor's kid growing up.
Many scientists (Dawkins singles out Einstein in particular) also make vague
statements about the mysteries they have yet to figure out that sound more
or less 'spiritual' but are at most crypto-deism.
Dawkins argues that the twice born use both of these things to heave onto
scientists attributes like the belief in a personal god and belief in a Christian
nation. He finds this especially perplexing for Americans since while the
first white Americans were religious nut jobs they were fleeing religious
oppression (in England) and went out of their way to take religion out of
control of the state.
So, Don, you're doing just what Dawkins says shouldn't be done. He says 'I
like singing Christmas carols' and you take that to mean 'I believe in a
common set of Christian values' where in fact he argues extensively, and
repeatedly, that Christian values as represented in scripture and the actions
of fundamentalist Christians are anathema to him.
So, Richard Dawkins vehemently disagrees.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>I think there is common ground. I think our traditions provide us with
>a set of behaviors we should expect of each other.
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>Richard Dawkins evidently agrees.
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>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7136682.stm
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>The truth is, I do not know which morals will be selected
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| Re: the Punk chronicles....... [message #93013 is a reply to message #93009] |
Sat, 24 November 2007 17:35 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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>> people being their usual crazy selves.
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>> But if you're going to have this be a big conspiracy, you better include
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>> the parents and teachers in on it. No one is forcing parents to drug their
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>> kids. I had a problem child, and I didn't drug him. The school wanted
> us
>> to, and we said, "NO!" Children are all individual people who learn in
>> different ways and at different rates, and I'm not going to drug him just
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>> because they can't figure how to teach him.
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>> Some shrinks drug their patients, others don't. I'm not buying the
> big
>> faceless EVIL. It's just the pharmaceutical-medical-patient triangle at
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>> work.
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>> Many years ago, the American Psychiatric Association rejected and
>> criticized Dianetics/Scientology, and ever since then the Church of
>> Scientology has been following L. Ron's policy to attack the attackers,
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>> rather than defend the Church. The entire profession of psychiatry became
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>> "fair game." Is it possible that, as a loyal member of the COS, this
>> decades old conflict is an element of your passionate feelings about psychs?
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>> Can you confront that possibility?
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>> I agree philosophically about the use of psychiatric drugs on children
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>> (and adults for that matter), but broad generalities are just not at all
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>> persuasive or helpful.
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>> Peace,
>>
>> Sarah(tonin re-uptake inhibitor)
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>> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:478b7089@linux...
>>> Sarah, It's hard to confront evil. Sometimes evil people smile and laugh
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>>> and seem like,they are your friend. But truly evil actions are not done
> by
>>> accident. Can you think of any word other than "evil" for drugging 8
>>> million helpless and innocent children with a harmful and very powerful
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>>> narcotic? It is NO ACCIDENT and it is VERY EVIL.
>>>
>>> Confront it.
>>>
>>> Sarah wrote:
>>>> Now, settle down, Bill . . . don't go all Tom Cruise on us. "Battlefield
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>>>> Earth" was just a book and a movie . . . the psych-iatrists/ologists
> are
>>>> not evil aliens from another galaxy . . . or ARE they? (dunt dunt
>>>> duuunnnnn . . . ) Psychs . . . Psychlos . . . hmmm.
>>>>
>>>> I admire that Scientology usually demands specifics and personal
>>>> observation, but when it comes to psychiatry, it's all broad
>>>> generalities. I know a fair number of psychs thro
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