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| Re: SUCCESS!!!!! [message #67862 is a reply to message #67853] |
Sun, 07 May 2006 21:54   |
Rod Lincoln
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>>>Now, the thing is, you can adjust the Gain/EQ mojo separately for each
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>>>band, you can compress with different ratios, thresholds.. whatever =
>>>suits the material, all in Paris. If you use the Paris compressor, be
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>>>sure to match each pair of tracks' settings (1=3D2, 3=3D4, 5=3D6, =
>>>7=3D8). Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period.=20
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>>>Now then, for more secret sauce beyond the Eq/Gain trick.. put one more
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>>>compressor on the global but do NOT compress with it. Threshold all the
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>>>way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the gain output to beat the
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>>>snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but ... and this is also
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>>>super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB or you'll
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>>>blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital converters that
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>>>your stuff will eventually have to suffer.=20
>>>Be careful in all this, you have SO much gain shaping you can turn the
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>>>wav into a baby ruth in the repro guy's editor... and no one wants to
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>>>find a baby ruth floating in their pool of music. Don't smash it so much
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>>>that it only takes 5 bits to play it back faithfully. Again, use your
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>>>ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will take more abuse than say, a =
>>>ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program material dependant'
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>>>thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like a Pantera
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>>>tune, for example.=20
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>>>Essentially you are creating a Waves multiband compressor, only you're
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>>>using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. better IMO. YMMV. If you
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>>>plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and create
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| Re: SUCCESS!!!!! [message #67873 is a reply to message #67866] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 06:40 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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gt;>gain=20
>>>output to beat the snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but
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>>>... and=20
>>>this is also super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5
dB
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>>>or=20
>>>you'll blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital =
>>>converters=20
>>>that your stuff will eventually have to suffer. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Be careful in all this, you =
>>>have SO much=20
>>>gain shaping you can turn the wav into a baby ruth in the repro=20
>>>guy's editor... and no one wants to find a baby ruth floating in =
>>>their pool=20
>>>of music. Don't smash it so much that it only takes 5 bits to play =
>>>it back=20
>>>faithfully. Again, use your ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will =
>>>take more=20
>>>abuse than say, a ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program =
>>>material=20
>>>dependant' thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like
>a
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>>>Pantera=20
>>>tune, for example</STRONG>. </FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Essentially you are creating a Waves
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>>>multiband=20
>>>compressor, only you're using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, ..
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>>>better=20
>>>IMO. YMMV. If you plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and=20
>>>create your own template PPJ you can just time lock drag the =
>>>'files'=20
>>>to and be on your way. </FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For you Mac mastering gurus, just =
>>>replace the Paris=20
>>>VST EQ with a good sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band
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>>>pass and=20
>>>hi pass. Sorry, there is no equal that I'm aware of to the gain =
>>>trick in=20
>>>the Paris VST EQ, but you do have the option of using the actual Paris
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>>>EQ Gain=20
>>>in it's place post eq/compression for each group of =
>>>channels.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If anyone needs the Paris VST EQ, I =
>>>suspect Doug=20
>>>Wellington has it posted on his page.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Doug, you still out there =
>>>man?</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV&g
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| Re: SUCCESS!!!!! [message #67875 is a reply to message #67874] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 07:36 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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>><BR>>>> "DC"=20
>>><</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:dc@spammersinheck.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>dc@spammersinheck.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2>>=20
>>>wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>As I understand it, that =
>>>EQ was=20
>>>pretty colored and non-linear.<BR>>>>>What I need is simple, =
>>>clean,=20
>>>accurate band splits. The Paris EQ<BR>>>>>does this =
>>>nicely,=20
>>>but the whole process is tedious to say the=20
>>>least.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Sounds great=20
>>>though.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>DC<BR>>>>><BR>=
>>>>>>><BR>>>>>"RiverLake=20
>>>Farms" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com"><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>edna@texomaonline.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2>>=20
>>>wrote:<BR>>>>>>Is the Paris EQ plug still=20
>>>available?<BR>>>>>>Thanks,=20
>>>Edna<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>"Aaron Allen" =
>>><</FONT><A=20
>>>href=3D"mailto:nospam@not_here.dude"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>nospam@not_here.dude</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>>
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>>>wrote in=20
>>>message<BR>>>>>>news:447948de$1@linux...<BR>>>>&g=
>>>t;>><BR>>>>>>>=20
>>>> I'm going to skip over a million details and just say that the=20
>>>secret<BR>>>>>>> > is bouncing each stereo freq =
>>>band with=20
>>>EQ only and then the next<BR>>>>>>> > set etc until =
>>>all are=20
>>>done. Then you bring the bands back to =
>>>the<BR>>>>>>>=20
>>>> editor, shut off the EQ and start working on your comp=20
>>>settings.<BR>>>>>>> > (yes you have to do 4 passes =
>>>to just=20
>>>create the files to do=20
>>>this!)<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>> DC, this =
>>>can be=20
>>>achieved SO much faster using the Matt Craig Paris<BR>>=20
>>>VST<BR>>>>>EQ,<BR>>>>>>> and in real =
>>>timeif you=20
>>>want to adjust your bands. Have you tried the<BR>>>>=20
>>>VST<BR>>>>>>> Paris EQ for this application=20
>>>yet?<BR>>>>>>> It doth rock=20
>>>much.<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>=20
>>>AA<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>>>;>>><BR>>>>>>>=20
>>>"DC" <</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:dc@spammersinhell.com"><FONT =
>>>face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>dc@spammersinhell.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
>>>size=3D2>> wrote in=20
>>>message </FONT><A href=3D"news:44793f10$1@linux"><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>news:44793f10$1@linux</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
>>>size=3D2>...<BR>>>>>>> =
>>>><BR>>>>>>> > Ok,=20
>>>here's the short version. I've been working on this most =
>>>of<BR>>=20
>>>the<BR>>>>>>> > day and am about to turn in, so =
>>>this is=20
>>>very incomplete.<BR>>>>>>> =
>>>><BR>>>>>>>=20
>>>> It is a version of Sakis' band-split technique where you use 4=20
>>>stereo<BR>>>>>>> > bands and 8 channels and 8=20
>>>compressors.<BR>>>>>>> =
>>>><BR>>>>>>> >=20
>>>I'm going to
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| Re: SUCCESS!!!!! [message #67877 is a reply to message #67874] |
Mon, 08 May 2006 07:42 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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>>>>>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>>>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Ok, you asked for it......... PC =
>>mastering=20
>>technique in Paris:</EM></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Take your 2 track L/R master =
>>final mix=20
>>file. Put the Left mix file on Channels 1,3,5 and 7. Pan hard left. =
>>Put the=20
>>Right mix file on Channels 2,4,6 and 8. Pan hard right. Using the Paris
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>>VST EQ,=20
>>split the files into different bands. 1/2 will be lo pass, 3/4 will be
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>>low mid=20
>>band, 5/6 will be hi mid band, 7/8 will be hi pass. Freq will vary =
>>depending on=20
>>taste and what you're going for and program material. Use your ears, =
>>nobody can=20
>>hand you that in text and be completely accurate. Start with the Sakis=20
>>Frequencies... Lo 20-90hz. Lo-Mid 90-540 Hi-Mid =
>>540-6Khz Hi=20
>>6-20Khz. Compress each 'set' of channels (1/2, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8) with =
>>either the=20
>>Paris Compressor or with a good sounding native POST Paris VST EQ. The
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>>placement=20
>>is absolutely critical. Tie all faders together using Grouping on the =
>>mixer. Do=20
>>not for ANY reason split these waves into another editor unless you're
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>>ready to=20
>>fight phase and time delay demons between submixes. Also, be sure you =
>>have=20
>>everything selected with the time lock tool when you do this - same =
>>reason about=20
>>phase/time. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Now, the thing is, you can =
>>adjust the=20
>>Gain/EQ mojo separately for each band, you can compress with different
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>>ratios,=20
>>thresholds.. whatever suits the material, all in Paris. If you use the
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>>Paris=20
>>compressor, be sure to match each pair of tracks' settings (1=3D2, =
>>3=3D4, 5=3D6, 7=3D8).=20
>>Ditto on the eq bands, they must match, period. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Now then, for more secret sauce
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>>beyond the=20
>>Eq/Gain trick.. put one more compressor on the global but do NOT =
>>compress with=20
>>it. Threshold all the way up, ratio all the way down. Instead, use the
=
>>gain=20
>>output to beat the snot out of the signal hitting the global bus, but =
>>... and=20
>>this is also super important... keep the global fader at -0.3 or -0.5 dB
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>>or=20
>>you'll blister the ^&*#&$ out of the cheapo wal mart digital =
>>converters=20
>>that your stuff will eventually have to suffer. </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Be careful in all this, you =
>>have SO much=20
>>gain shaping you can turn the wav into a baby ruth in the repro=20
>>guy's editor... and no one wants to find a baby ruth floating in =
>>their pool=20
>>of music. Don't smash it so much that it only takes 5 bits to play =
>>it back=20
>>faithfully. Again, use your ears man.. pop and aggressive tunes will =
>>take more=20
>>abuse than say, a ballad or classical. This is part of the 'program =
>>material=20
>>dependant' thing I mentioned earlier. Don't treat a jazz standard like
a
>=
>>Pantera=20
>>tune, for example</STRONG>. </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Essentially you are creating a Waves =
>>multiband=20
>>compressor, only you're using Paris to do it and it sounds.. well, .. =
>>better=20
>>IMO. YMMV. If you plan to do this a lot, do your self a huge favor and=20
>>create your own template PPJ you can just time lock drag the =
>>'files'=20
>>to and be on your way. </FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For you Mac mastering gurus, just =
>>replace the Paris=20
>>VST EQ with a good sounding phase coherent EQ capable of lo pass, band
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>>pass and=20
>>hi pass. Sorry,
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