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justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62733] Mon, 09 January 2006 14:52 Go to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]   UNITED STATES
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gins.
>>>>
>>>>(sigh)
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:43ddb571@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>So what would PT system with 32 A/D and D/A converters, 96 I/O and the
>>>>>processing power of 4 x UAD-1 cards cost? I'm thinking around $30k. Now
>>>>
>>>>add
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>a G5 to that.. Now add a control surface. $40k to achieve what I've
>>>>
>>>>already
>>>>
>>>>
>>

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62734 is a reply to message #62733] Mon, 09 January 2006 16:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cujo is currently offline  cujo
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;>>>got here?
>>>>>
>>>>>Now lersee, I might be able to get 7k out of my current hybrid rig if
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>lucky, soooo............that leaves me a little short. Yeah, It would
>>>
>>>be
>>>
>>>
>>>>>nice, but it's not realistic. PT HD is still wayyyyy overpriced.....at
>>>>
>>>>least
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>for me. If I was in a situation where it would bring enough business
>
> for
>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to pay for itself, then maybe I could see it. Right now, I'm the
>>>>
>>>>alternative
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>to Pro Tools in this town. That is starting to bring me business actually.
>>>>>People are curious about this crazy engineer with the Rube Goldberg
>&g

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62735 is a reply to message #62733] Mon, 09 January 2006 15:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
justcron is currently offline  justcron   UNITED STATES
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t;>>
>>>>machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43ddadca$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL!!
>>>>>>I know that most of us thru out the years have beeen cold on PT, but
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>admit, that DAW( PT-HD) is one nice sounding, smooth running, cryptic
>>>>>
>>>>>editing-but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>fast once you know it. It's I/O patchbay routing is on another level.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>all i can say. They sound is as good withthe Digi converters, but,
>>>>>

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62737 is a reply to message #62735] Mon, 09 January 2006 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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h.net> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>news:43dd826c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>DJ... Pro Tools HD2/3, with apogee AD/DA 16xs(2) converters..Monster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sound,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Killer i/o routing for your stand alones.. All under one roof. Do
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>$$math$$$
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>what approaches???..............humm.......well....here it is in
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>nutshell.....;oP
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A typical session is usually tracked and mixed as follows:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>All tracking is usually done in Paris using a Furman HDS 16 cue
>>>>
>>>

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62738 is a reply to message #62735] Mon, 09 January 2006 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]   UNITED STATES
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;>system
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3 x HRM 16 remotes. Paris latency is 1.25 ms at 44.1kHz, 1.5ms at
>>>>>
>>>>>48kHz.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Each HRM-16 unit is paired with an Alesis Wedge reverb unit so that
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>performer can dial in exactly the amount of ambience in the cans
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>achieve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a comfortable cuemix.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have a number of tracking templates set up in Paris and Cubase
>>>
>>>SX
>>>
>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>utilize my RME Multiface converters with any of the three Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>submixes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>via
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>&

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62744 is a reply to message #62738] Mon, 09 January 2006 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]   UNITED STATES
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>>>>>track submix units comprising a total of 48 tracks with a total
>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>72
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>digital I/O and 32 analog I/O for various routing configurations)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris MEC 1 mixer channels are set to receive lightpipe from Cubase
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>DAW
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>using ADAT channels 1-14 bussed from RME 9652 #1 ADAT I/O 1 & 2
>>>>>
>>>>>assigned
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX audio channels 1-16 and Cubase SX audio channels 1-14
>>>
>>>each
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>assigned to channels 1-14 outputs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX channels 1-14 (the drums) are duplicated and the
>>>>
>>>>duplicated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>drum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>submix is panned to taste, EQ'ed, individual tracks are processed
>>>>
>>>>and

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62746 is a reply to message #62744] Mon, 09 January 2006 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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s EQ/ insert DSP and outboard reverbs
>>>>
>>>>(digital
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>only)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and Paris aux FX are then applied to the individual drum tracks.
>>>>
>>>>Any
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>outboard processing to the individual drum tracks is being done
>>>>>
>>>>>through
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>RME multiface I/O to retain phase coherence and care must be taken
>>>>
>>>>at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>point when processing in Paris to use only digital FX externally
>>>
>>>(1
>>>
>>>
>>>>x
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>sample
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>latency with digital I/O loop in Paris) and care must also be taken
>>>>>
>>>>>with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>lookahead when using the Paris onboard DSP compressors to avoid
>>>>
>>>>phase
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>issues
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>(flamming).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It is possible to achi

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62747 is a reply to message #62746] Mon, 09 January 2006 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
cujo is currently offline  cujo
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eve a monster drum sound by using both Paris
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase SX when processing parallel drum submixes sample accurately
>>>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>platforms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris MEC 2 mixer channels are bussed from RME 9652 #1 ADAT I/O
>>>
>>>#3
>>>
>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ADAT #1 I/O assigned to audio channels 17-32 and the channels routed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>RME
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>outputs 17-32. and 16 audio tracks are streamed from SX to Paris,
>>>>>
>>>>>being
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>processed in both platforms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris MEC 3 mixer channels 1 thru 14 set to bus lightpipe from 14
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>playing back in SX on ADAT channels 1-14 routed to RME 9652 #2 ADAT
>>>>>
>>>>>!/O
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>#2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and RME #2 ADAT I/O #3 assigned to audio channels 33-46.. RME ADAT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>47 and 48 are set up as a stereo FX bus for all send FX being
>>>>
>>>>applied
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>tracks in Cubase SX.which is bussing to/from Paris Submix 3, Aux
>>>
>>>1
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>interfacing with Paris ADAT I/O #15 and 16.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The mix template routing between the two work stations is as
>>>>
>>>>follows:
>&g

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62749 is a reply to message #62746] Mon, 09 January 2006 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John [1] is currently offline  John [1]   UNITED STATES
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t;>>Cubase CH 4>RME 1 ADAT 1-4 out > Paris CH 4
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 5>RME 1 ADAT 1-5 out > Paris CH 5
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 6>RME 1 ADAT 1-6 out > Paris CH 6
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 7>RME 1 ADAT 1-7 out > Paris CH 7
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 8>RME 1 ADAT 1-8 out > Paris CH 8
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 9>RME 1 ADAT 2-9 out > Paris CH 9
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 10>RME 1 ADAT 2-10 out > Paris CH 10
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 11>RME 1 ADAT 2-11 out > Paris CH 11
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 12>RME 1 ADAT 2-12 out > Paris CH 12
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 13>RME 1 ADAT 2-13 out > Paris CH 13
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 14>RME 1 ADAT 2-14 out > Paris CH 14
>>>>>>>>>Cubase ST CH 15L/ Stereo Group 1 L> RME 1 ADAT 2-15 out > Paris
>>>
>>>CH
>>>
>>>
>>>>15
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase ST CH 15R/ Stereo Group 1 R> RME 1 ADAT 2-16 out > Paris
>>>
>>>CH
>>>
>>>
>>>>16
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Paris Submix #2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 16>RME 1 ADAT 3-17 out > Paris CH 1
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 17>RME 1 ADAT 3-18 out > Paris CH 2
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 18>RME 1 ADAT 3-19 out > Paris CH 3
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 19>RME 1 ADAT 3-20 out > Paris CH 4
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 20>RME 1 ADAT 3-21 out > Paris CH 5
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 21>RME 1 ADAT 3-22 out > Paris CH 6
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 22>RME 1 ADAT 3-23 out > Paris CH 7
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 23>RME 1 ADAT 3-24 out > Paris CH 8
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Using RME HDSP 9652 Card #2 bussing to Paris Submix 2 AND 3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 24>RME 2 ADAT 1-1 out > Paris CH 9
>>>>>>>>>Cubase CH 25>RME 2 ADAT 1-2 out > Paris CH 10
>>&g

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62756 is a reply to message #62749] Mon, 09 January 2006 19:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JD is currently offline  JD
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s
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>in Cubase SX. (without being assigned to a stereo bus in Cubase,
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>mono
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>tracks in SX cannot be panned)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>All of this is clocked through a Mytek ADC 24/96 which is feeding
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Lucid
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>GenX6 module set to distribute word clock (at 10 picoseconds) which
>>>>>>
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>feeding the 3 x Paris MECs, 2 x HDSP 9652's and the RME Multiface
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lexicon Studio Core 32 outboard reverb.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>All of the routing scenarios are saved in mix templates on the two
>>>>>
>>>>>audio
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>DAWs and the digital patchbay control panel in the DAW running
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>standalone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>FX. The Cubase DAW is slaved to the Paris DAW by ADAT sync so the
>>>>>
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>transport controls both systems, sample accurate, timeline locked.
>>>>>
>>>>>All
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>really takes is a few mouse clicks and this entire scenario is
>>>>>>>>>working......Simple huh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Jon Jiles" <nope@nono.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>news:43dd07ea$1@linux...

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62779 is a reply to message #62756] Tue, 10 January 2006 02:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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>
>>>
>>>>>>>want.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As always, thanks for the help!
>>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>Jon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>If you want to get into a WC gen, figure out everything you have now
with a WC input on it, then add things you plan to buy in the next 5
years (that have word clock inputs on them) to that list. This is the
number of WC outputs you will need as a minimum. If this number goes
over 6... look at one of these:

http://www.rosendahl-studiotechnik.de/nanoclocks.html

We got one... all smiles in clock land! :-)

David.

Don Nafe wrote:

> Got sync happening with Paris as Master using ASIO...identical as Wavelab.
>
> Will try your MTC route and see how tha works.
>
> Should the business warrant it a wordclock will be on order.
>
> Don
>RME drivers only support 3 x HDPS 9652's. If you want more than 64 channels,
you got to go with the MADI setup anyway.

"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43de4c9e$1@linux...
>
> Well, the RME-Madi card(s) price don't look too bad for the 64 channels
per
> card. I want to be able to stream 96 channel from the yamaha DM-2000..
So,the
> Optical way would cost, 4- 9652(s) is almost the same. $2400(9652) vs
$2600.00(Madi)
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> >The MADI cards will set you back almost as much as the desk itself! We
> >went the optical route here... WAY cheaper.
> >
> >David.
> >
> >LaMont wrote:
> >
> >> You're right $$$ Cha-ching!!! :) But, Digi is giving new customers at
> least
> >> $3,500.00 in software plugins. Maybe more, but I do knwo that it's at
> least
> >> $3500.00
> >>
> >> I dont think you need 96 I/o channels, but hey !! you never know :)
> >> PTHD-3(Axcel) had all the processing power one needs to replace 4 UAD1
> cards.
> >> Being that you can run the uad plugs on the HD cards, or run Fx
expansion
> >> vst/Rtas converter app..
> >>
> >> I just got a great quote from sweetwater for PTHD2-Axcel) with Contol24
> mix
> >> controller, Apogee AD/DA16x..Slew of Plugin (free) from Digi..20K..(
Not
> >> including the Mac.) You don't need a G5 to run PT-HD/TDM.. You can, but
> not
> >> a necessity. I have access to a Dual 877 G4 or I might buld a nice PC
> to
> >> run it on. For those how have not seen PT-HD?LE run on a PC, they are
> in
> >> for a real shock. The speed difference is Amazing!!!
> >>
> >> I've been weighing the Yammy 02r96/DM-2000,Nuendo,RME MADI(2)
scenario..the
> >>

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Re: justcron......aw you shouldn't have [message #62780 is a reply to message #62737] Tue, 10 January 2006 02:50 Go to previous message
rick is currently offline  rick   UNITED STATES
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first coming to 9k for the 02Rm, 18k for the DM2000..Decisions.. :)
> >> ???????
> >>
> >>
> >> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>.........errr..........that should have been 96 digital I/O. guess I
> >>>wouldn't be needing that though with the PT rig, would I? Also, I'm
going
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>need all new software so throw that into the equation for another $5k
> at
> >>>least for good TDM plugins.
> >>>
> >>>(sigh)
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:43ddb571@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>So what would PT system with 32 A/D and D/A converters, 96 I/O and the
> >>>>processing power of 4 x UAD-1 cards cost? I'm thinking around $30k.
Now
> >>>
> >>>add
> >>>
> >>>>a G5 to that.. Now add a control surface. $40k to achieve what I've
> >>>
> >>>already
> >>>
> >>>>got here?
> >>>>
> >>>>Now lersee, I might be able to get 7k out of my current hybrid rig if
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >>>was
> >>>
> >>>>lucky, soooo............that leaves me a little short. Yeah, It would
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>>nice, but it's not realistic. PT HD is still wayyyyy overpriced.....at
> >>>
> >>&

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