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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101369 is a reply to message #101366] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 14:05   |
Gary Flanigan
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t at 16 bit).
If you install windows 7, and purchase Mike's new driver install, (which also installs v3 paced..replace .exe after install), you'll be blown away as to how well Paris performs. The new driver installs very easily, and there are Pace free alternatives for v3. Search around this site. ID are no longer issuing response codes for Paris. I would stay away from Windows 10. Some folks are happy with windows 8, but I prefer 7.
There are no real optimization procedures needed nowadays, unlike years ago.
Back up any projects over to a removable drive, or USB stick and
copy back to the new system. One thing though, if the drive your projects were recorded on was a separate drive (i.e. drive "d", you will have to reset the file paths within Paris on your new system). The procedure is sometimes tricky, I find. Therefore, you are better off with a two drive setup, thereby replicating the drive structure of your old rig).
Cheers,
Kim
Well Happy New
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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101373 is a reply to message #101369] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 13:54 |
Chris Ludwig
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on how you can drop this into a newer system and have it simply perform over the painstaking process and optimization of older systems. Is it the operating system, bus speeds, more memory, better processors, or all of the above?
Since it was designed and written in the past, I'm thinking if I swing too far the other way I can get into trouble with compatibility issues and/or I may have to dumb-down a newer system for better performance. Read something about hyper-threading so maybe there is some DE-optimization that needs to take place...Thoughts?
As I mentioned, finances are tight and I want to feel good about the direction and have some certainty in the outcome...time invested is important too...I needed it running yesterday (of course)!
Kim, thank you so much for the response! Perhaps others will weigh in on additional aspects of my post, like a quick fix for my "antiquated" system...more likely they will echo your point and what I already know.
Best regards!
GaryHi again, Garry.
It sounds as if you are sorted with your son's retired PC.
There are no issues with two EDS's and one mec. No sync considertions, even with two mecs. Only once you use three or more do you need an external word clock.
Make sure you have the correct ribbon cables for connecting the two EDS's, and make sure you connect them as per the manual. There are three small cables required in all.
SSD's are ideal for DAW use. Only issue i can think of would be if the motherboard is unable to boot fro
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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101377 is a reply to message #101369] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 22:03 |
Tom Bruhl
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g this and getting to the projects (and everything else on my plate). I agree though, I'll work on getting something newer running ASAP but will take one more stab at the old system in the mean time.
Don't know all the specifics on my son's PC...I do know it's an AMD processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM, and an ASUS MB. I'm now wondering if the cards will fit depth-wise, I think so. He used this mostly for gaming then updated for video editing so I know the video card is nice!
It should boot to a SSD but if not I will get a drive and start building. I see Mike takes PayPal and the drivers are a download so no problem there. I'll have to use Win 8.1. I have two EDS cards so I'll leave one in the old system and put one in the new for testing. I have a smaller project I can do.
Thanks again for your time, help, and info! I'll let you know how it goes...may take a week or two to pull it off.
Have a good night!
GaryAwesome.
Good luck!
I'll be checking in on your progress!
Sounds like your son's comp will serve you well for a while.
Just something to keep in mind.... If you find you are relying on Paris for future income, I would suggest you source out one of the few remaining current multi core MOBOs (and supported processor) that have 3 or even 4 PCI slots. (Four is pretty much unheard of, nowadays.) So if you wanted to add a third EDS, you'd be tooled up, and ready to go.
Cheers,
KimKim,
Yeah, not a main source of income...supplemental for now. We'll see where it goes. Thanks for the suggestion though...don't think I'll ever need more than two cards but I should decide reasonably soon if I want to pickup a system as you mentioned before they go the way of the Dodo.
Any thoughts on using one physical drive with 2 partitions rather than 2 drives? As far as SATA drives...what is your opinion...will most any do or should I be considering cache, RPM, and transfer speeds. For the moment I don't know about the system/SATA buss capability on the PC I plan to use, but I believe most any would handle my requirements?
Thanks,
GaryHi Gary.
A partitioned drive would be fine.
That way Paris would still see a "separate"
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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101380 is a reply to message #101377] |
Tue, 02 December 2008 00:16 |
Aaron Allen
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I just thought I'd post something about downgrade rights.
Microsoft is pushing Windows 10 really hard, and one of the arguments they make to get people to try Windows 10 is that you can always go back to your previous operating system within 30 days.
that may not be entirely true.
If you do this with an OEM version of Windows, you lose the right to run your old OS after official support ends.
You can go back to your original OS, but, as I read it, the initial Windows 10 upgrade replaces your Windows 7 or 8 license with a Windows 10 license. So, after reverting to Windows 7 or 8 from Windows 10, you are now running your old copy of windows under the downgrade rights section of a Windows 10 license.
It states:
"If you acquired a device from a manufacturer or installer with a Professional version of Windows preinstalled on it, you may use either a Windows 8.1 Pro or Windows 7 Professional version, but only for so long as Microsoft provides support for that earlier version as set forth in (aka.ms/windowslifecycle). This agreement applies to your use of the earlier versions..."
So, you could end losing your Windows 7 license, just for trying Windows 10, as soon as Windows 7 support ends.
All the best,
Mike
| senseart wrote on Sat, 02 January 2016 01:28 | Don't know all the specifics on my son's PC...I do know it's an AMD processor, 4GB of DDR2 RAM, and an ASUS MB. I'm now wondering if the cards will fit depth-wise, I think so. He used this mostly for gaming then updated for video editing so I know the video card is nice!
It should boot to a SSD but if not I will get a drive and start building. I see Mike takes PayPal and the drivers are a download so no problem there. I'll have to use Win 8.1. I have two EDS cards so I'll leave one in the old system and put one in the new for testing. I have a smaller project I can do.
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Heya Gary! Welcome to the forums! Can you post the make/model of your son's mobo so we can do a little speculation on directions for you? AMD was the preferred architecture for PARIS for years, so that's great - an SSD is going to make that old girl fly, and 4MB of RAM was the stuff of supercomputers back then.
Here's the Wiki entry on the PARIS.cfg file. The less random messing one does with the .cfg the better (less stuff to troubleshoot if things go wrong) - if you have performance problems I'd change them according to the recommendations on that page or of experienced users (actually, thinking about it, that's pretty much everyone here n
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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101382 is a reply to message #101380] |
Tue, 02 December 2008 06:20 |
Rod Lincoln
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n't know about!). Once you've got a solid setup backed up, you can then start tweaking around to see what other kinds of stuff you can do 
Hi Kerry,
Thanks, good to be here!!
The MB is an ASUS M2N68-AM PLUS. The processor as mentioned is an AMD and it is believed to be an early quad-core, maybe 2.8Ghz. I should know tomorrow as my son will be here and we'll beat it into submission then.
I appreciate the tips, the forum, everyone's expertise and generosity! I kind of felt...desperate! But now I have a plan and can't wait to get it all together and start mixing again!
I did try pulling the SCSI out of the old machine but had the same issues. One curious thing; When I was testing it I was importing some waves...not stereo files that I'm aware of but even if they are, I kept getting an error...Paris said they were stereo and wasn't able to import them?
Side note: I'm not able to log into this forum with Chrome...is that a known issue (thought I read something) or is it me?
Anyway, thanks again, I'll keep checking back for further input and will post as I go.
Have a great evening!
Gary| senseart wrote on Sat, 02 January 2016 17:15 | Hi Kerry... The MB is an ASUS M2N68-AM PLUS. The processor as mentioned is an AMD and it is believed to be an early quad-core, maybe 2.8Ghz.
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I'm on an older M2N series too, with just a dual Athlon, and it's solid as a rock. You have ample resources with that board - 2 PCI slots for PARIS, 4x SATA for extra drive expansion down the road (btw, removable drive bays like these are peanuts and make drive swapping a breeze); USB 2.0, which is fine for most devices and file transfer - yeah, that should be a great board for PARIS all around, and since PARIS handles most of the audio tasks a quad core with 4 gig RAM should have plugin headroom for days. It'll fly compared to the old rigs we used to use. You can save a ton of money by buying smallish SATA drives for the $20-30 they're worth. Keep it reserved for PARIS and little else and you should be golden - it should run like hardware.
The only things I'd say are really important to take care of, based on things we've learned over the years, are:
1) Make sure you have a good power supply, PARIS really doesn't like to be hungry. 500w should be ample. If the one you have is much smaller, it might be fine but if things start misbehaving consider replacing it with a good reputable 500w PSU.
2) Make sure you keep it nice and cool inside. EDS cards don't like to get hot, they start misbehaving in small or large ways. An extra silent internal fan or two can be had for a couple of dollars and will save you untold grief in a heat wave.
| senseart wrote on Sat, 02 January 2016 17:15 | | Side note: I'm not able to log into this forum with Chrome...is that
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Known issue, I'm afraid, although I don't think it's consistently Chrome - for some people it's other browsers. This is an old install of the forum software, I have to get around to updating but it requires an amount of down time that I just haven't had for a while. Sorry for the hassle!Now Microsoft scare tactics??? Not cool.
Microsoft Warns Windows 7 Has Serious Problems
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/01/02/microsoft -windows-7-problems/?utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahoo tix
Hi James,
I read that, too.
Here is the key quote:
"And so, as we are pushing our ISV [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems."
Microsoft has promised to support Windows 7 with security updates until Jan. 14, 2020. Is Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela trying to scare us, or is he admitting that Microsoft will not be honouring that commitment in order to force us on to Windows 10?
Let's hope this all plays out for the best because it doesn't look very good right now.
All the best,
Mike
Took me approximately forever, but more meaningful tags have been added to the videos, and the mysteriously malfunctioning Clip 10 is now fixed. Enjoy!Hey all - anyone got more recent contact info for Doug than doug at parisfaqs dot com? I've got a failing PARIS card I want to send to him for his science experiments and that doesn't seem to work any more. Thanks!Stereo .wav files should be fine IIRC, but if you can't import the wav - the .wav file format expanded shortly after PARIS' discontinuation to include a format called BWF. Unfortunately BWF still uses the .wav file extension but contain extra header information that makes PARIS choke.
There's an app called StripWav that fixes these kind of .wavs for PARIS use but IMO it's outrageously overpriced for a "one trick pony" utility [edit: I just checked and it's now $25 nagware, which is a bit better, and you can download it free to see if it fixes the problem]. The best "Swiss Army Knife" I know to get rid of BWF headers is Reaper, which is far more than a utility, it's the DAW that's become an indispensable companion to PARIS (it even reads PAF files directly if you install Xenakios' extension). The two together make quite a power pair. Reaper is free to download and "honor system" shareware. Give it a try at http://reaper.fm and see if it can help you. Strange. All I can figure is that when I changed my email plan and added IMAP, that forward got lost. Should be back now...
Now I just have to upload all the content again. Sigh...Ah, no worries. Want my old dodgy 8i? Two inputs down, a third may be going. Send it or bin it? If you want it I'm doing a cross border shipping run this afternoon.I'll take it. Shipping address in PM...My PARIS system was working completely fine until I moved. I relocated to my new home, set up PARIS and had error code 1/1. After researching the code, I checked the connections and reinstalled the drivers several times and finally it launched. But, when I open a project, I get additional error messages and they are all different. If I launch PARIS and try to open a project 3 times, I now get three different error codes. Anyone have any ideas? I'm running a custom PC with Windows XP. Hi.
I seem to remember that the error 1/1 was due to EDS failure.
Not to say tat the card(s) are fried, just maybe the move has partially dislodged the EDS(s).
Re-seat the card(s). Maybe also clean
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| Re: Best Prices on UAD-2 Cards? [message #101385 is a reply to message #101359] |
Tue, 02 December 2008 15:09 |
thesandbxo
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ings...nothing in .cfg
The drive provided with the new files I need to work on had an issue so that delayed my full trial, but after that was corrected...
I imported 24 tracks at 24 48 into a new session and had issues, but I didn't initially have everything setup correctly; it choked on playback, the editor for card A wouldn't scroll, etc..
I tried again after configuring everything in the session first and all went well. I then added 8 more tracks and low and behold it played all 32 live, no issues! I haven't employed any direct x or vst plugs as yet.
One thing I did do was to play back the same track on both cards...there is a little comb f
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