| Levels and summing [message #74521] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 13:13  |
TCB
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, which one do
>> you like better?
>>
>> NeilFor the price, you can't get any better. Is it not for official sale in
EU???? I buyed mine official in Cobenhagen the first year it came out and am
using it daily, together with Paris. I am using "oceans" of Behringer
products here and have used them for years without any problems at all, so
the myth about how bad Behringer products are is just a myth for me, but not
for Deej;-) I see the shops are selling it official in Cobenhagen.
Erlilo
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| Re: Levels and summing [message #74539 is a reply to message #74537] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 17:07  |
chuck duffy
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the mix was a dead
> >giveaway but I was soooooo hoping that C was the native ITB
> >mix. You don't know how much. ;o)
>
> I know, the whole "two-computer" thing is a clusterfuck, no
> matter what... just this somewhat simple experiment took me
> quite awhile to set up, and then youre dealing with stuff
> like: "OK, so I have to monitor through Paris for the analog
> summing part, but then what do I do with the other mixes?
> Repatch my monitors? Re-route through my VST outputs? OK, so
> I guess I'll just save three different versions of this one
> project, then" lol
>
> >I think you would have a bit more detail and depth to the
> >soundstage on mix C if you were streaming the tracks over ADAT
> >into Paris rather than the AD/DA conversion
>
> Can't do it... Even if I had a couple of Paris ADAT cards, I
> couldn't do it... how would I get from my 88.2k samplerate
> coming out of my ADAT outs, to the 44.1k Paris ADAT protocol?
>
> >Thanks for taking the time to do this test Neil. Guess my ears
> >haven't been playing tricks on me recently.
>
> No prob!
>
> >I think you may have a nice surprise when you get the Pulsar
> >card. I think you're going to have something closer to a
> >cross between mix B & C.
>
> That would RAWK - seriously! To be able to have the phase-
> coherence of staying 2-track ITB all the way through, yet
> getting better summing out of the whole deal, while retaining
> the definititon & clarity up top (again, listen to mix "B"
> guys... that's just an MP3 file and even at that resolution
> you can STILL hear what 88.2k can do for you!) - that would
> KILL. And I'd love it.
>
>
> >Once my 3rd card comes in, I'll get around to doing something
> >similar and post it up.
>
> Why do you need three cards? What the hell are you doing with
> that bluegrass stuff you've been recording... turning it into
> a damn 60-track symphony?
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| Re: Levels and summing [message #74540 is a reply to message #74539] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 17:08 |
chuck duffy
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POST SOME CLIPS NOW! lol
>
> Neil
>For running networked computers and multiple displays with a single
mouse/keyboard combo there's a cute little app called "Synergy" --
shareware, I think... Been using if for a couple years now, no grief.
-- it was a Brian T pick, so you know it's "geek certified."
chas.
On Sun, 12 Nov 2006 17:10:35 -0500, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:
>James,
>Tell us what you know?!!!
>Tom
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45576cdc$1@linux...
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hey Jeff...
> >
> >No, I don't have a spare one laying around anymore - the one I
> >did have was cannibalized to build the Paris PC. I don't know
> >if I really want to a third one to the mix - I'm trying to
> >figure out how to configure this additional stuff now
> >(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring connections,
> >etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good place to put
> >another PC; although you're right, that could be an inexpensive
> >way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie e-machines brand
> >or equivalent for in the slightly over $300 range.
> >
> >That'll definitely be something to consider if I end up going
> >through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main PC.
>
> There are ways to remotely access the other system through software and
> a network connection, the KMV may not be necessary.
>
> James
>
> >
> >Neil
> >
> >
> >Jeff hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
> >>Neil,
> >>
> >>Kind of a neophyte on all this stuff, but what about picking up a low
> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back
> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I doubt
> >
> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the
> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces
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| Re: Levels and summing [message #74541 is a reply to message #74539] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 17:19 |
John [1]
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>
> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D
> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is issues.
> >>
> >>Just a thought
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff
> >>
> >>Neil wrote:
> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hey Neil,
> >>>>
> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
> >>> problems.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
> >>>>liking it a lot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
> >>>
> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Ruper
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| Re: Levels and summing [message #74543 is a reply to message #74541] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 17:11 |
chuck duffy
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gt;> be enough for basic trax.
> >>>
> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
> >>>
> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
> >>> appreciate it!
> >>>
> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
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| Re: Levels and summing [message #74703 is a reply to message #74685] |
Mon, 23 October 2006 16:43 |
chuck duffy
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