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Sun, 17 December 2006 15:55   |
Nil
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ntels, though the differences were more in the structure
>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions - that's the
>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with Moto is they
>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was a limited
>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them and go for
>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>
>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu is selling
>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could probably drop most
>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless the OS is
>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other parts are
>> too low.
>>
>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real difference is what
>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>
>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going from
>> Borders to Barnes & Noble.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>>Woke up this morning. Discovered the problem (not cable related at all).
Fixed it. Rebooted DAW, deleted existing array (which was hosed), created
new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a 160G WD 8MB
drive for audio.
;o)
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
> Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO of
> my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA cables
> was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then plugged it
> back in.
>
> All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run Ghost
> (BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal. I finally
> unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost, restore a
> recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the SATA cables back
> in.
>
> I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
> rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
> turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and the
> same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at all and
> my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>
> I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm using
> were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma becaus
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77158 is a reply to message #77155] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 16:03 |
Don Nafe
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> new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a 160G WD 8MB
> drive for audio.
>
> ;o)
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
>> Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO of
>> my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA cables
>> was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then plugged it
>> back in.
>>
>> All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run Ghost
>> (BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal. I finally
>> unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost, restore a
>> recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the SATA cables
>> back in.
>>
>> I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
>> rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
>> turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and the
>> same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at all and
>> my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>>
>> I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm using
>> were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma because
>> of the vicinity of the SATA port locations. Believe me, I've tried
>> everything else imaginable. I've got one new SATA cable here and I have
>> switched it around between the two used cables but no luck. Both SATA
>> drives do appear in the RAID setup. They just can't be arrayed properly.
>>
>> Guess I'll reformat my boot drive tomorrow and reload Windows ME and
>> Paris. That's about all I use on this machine anyway (sigh)
>>
>> Luckily I have my audio files backed up because this RAID POS was my
>> audio drive. Nothing lost except for a couple of .ppj's that aren't
>> important. Even if it turns out to be a bad cable, I think I'll shitcan
>> this RAID stuff and just get myself a nice big 7200 for audio.
>>
>> RAID=unnecessary PITA. IMO.
>> Deej
>>
>
>I look forward to seeing/hearing the new drum related product thingy DJ.
Sounds like there is going to be a lot of very cool software at NAMM. Audio
Impressions is showing, and perhaps releasing, an orchestral library that
provides complete divisi control over the number of desks you use in a
section in realtime, as well as more extensive realtime control than other
libraries, space/location control, etc. In addition it produces a print
score as well - supposedly a usable one.
The "downside" - it really requires 4 or more PCs to run, and one is
dedicated to the control system software (min core 2 duo), one to your
sequencer, the others to samples. They also recommend not running any other
sample libraries at the same time (which is a limitation in all but
dedicated film scoring setups with more than 5 PCs). Price could be high as
well.
East West is supposed to be releasing their libraries with a new custom
interface (no more Kompakt).
I am guessing there are a few m
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77160 is a reply to message #77159] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 17:37 |
Don Nafe
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br />
> suffer, but you will not die.
>
> ;o)
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>You might want to pawn it.
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:45aa75ef$1@linux...
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> Should I sell my TD-20. If you don't tell me I'll die !Cool Deej, looking forward to hearing more about it.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related. It
> should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready to
> spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your pocket
> for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you may
> suffer, but you will not die.
>
> ;o)
>
>The Dells are always pretty good on the bang for the buck front. I'm thinking
of retiring my two year old 630m into being a DJ only machine and getting
a Core Duo model. One big problem now with RME gear. Pretty much all (if
not all, I don't have time to look at the whole Dell site) use ExpressCard
slots now, They're the update on Card Bus and, as the website explaining
the tech says,
5. Are PC Cards and ExpressCard modules compatible?
The two technologies are not compatible. The decision was made to take advantages
of advances in technology to simplify the design. The speed and size of the
new ExpressCard design outweighed the backward compatibility issues.
So your SOL on pretty much all non-USB and non-Firewire I/0 options. I wouldn't
sweat it, a
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77161 is a reply to message #77160] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 18:51 |
Neil
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pretty cheap Presonus Firewier box will get you 6 in 10 out and
MIDI to the laptop until RME comes out with an ExpressCard option.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I'm in the process of building another DAW for some beta testing purposes
>but now that I've finally achieved what I feel is something that can do
99%
>of what I want in just about *any* possible recording situation (thank you
>Creamware), I've got a hankering to get back into composing/songwriting
and
>I need a laptop.
>
>I primarily compose on guitar and I used to use a midi based proggie called
>Jammer for rough compositions. and I have figured out a way to use this
with
>the sound engine of NI Bandstand using Midiox. Christmas before last I
>bought myself one of those cool little Fretlight strat lookin things meaning
>to start getting my chops up to speed and getting out of a few ruts I've
>been floundering around in for years.
>
>I have an RME Multiface sitting here that I could interface with a laptop
>via PCMCIA. I would like to have a media centric" laptop with a goodly
>amount of horsepower/RAM/fast HD, that will work well with an RME PCMCIA
>card for the Multiface This will need to be a windows machine since my
apps
>don't play with Macs..and of course, I want a good deal, whatever that is).
>I have a Dell Latitude docking station here with an 18g SCSI cheetah that
>works well with an older Latitude machine (a P2-400mHZ laptop). I'm
>wondering if another Latitude might be the ticket. Not
>imperative......................but any experience with these would be of
>particular interest.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Deej
>
>Don't sell it, just use it to trigger Battery 3.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> Should I sell my TD-20. If you don't tell me I'll die !I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I wasn't
accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
:O)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77163 is a reply to message #77161] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 21:43 |
emarenot
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Apple is using Intel
>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do the
>>>>> entire
>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>
>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are you
>>>> guys
>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>
>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the new Macs
>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or TigerDirect
>>>> for a
>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and the OS.
>>>>
>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively) because,
>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other hardware
>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors -
>>>> Intel
>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>> framework -
>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much for
>>>> math -
>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in the
>>>> structure
>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions - that's
>>>> the
>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with Moto is
>>>> they
>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was a
>>>> limited
>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them and go
>>>> for
>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>
>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu is
>>>> selling
>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could probably drop
>>>> most
>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless the OS
>>>> is
>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other parts
>>>> are
>>>> too low.
>>>>
>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real difference is
>>>> what
>>>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>>>
>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going from
>>>> Borders to Barnes & Noble.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>
>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
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>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
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>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot. I
>set up two of them last week.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>tops
>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>I
>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>
>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've
>>read. As a dealer margins
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77164 is a reply to message #77155] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 19:49 |
DJ
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were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new ball
>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff from
>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>
>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When that
>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>
>>James
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors.
>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>
>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard the
>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent
>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their machines.
>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about $1300
>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
a
>>nice
>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical drive
>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>
>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more
>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to
>
>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>
>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more than
>>>
>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their low
>>>
>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has the
>>>
>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>
>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>
>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>
>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs that
>>>
>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>
>>>>I like Apple's
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Sun, 17 December 2006 21:48 |
Neil
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; So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important
>>>person
>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old
>likes
>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware
>>>is
>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
chipset,
>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic firewire
>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
slightly
>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when
>>>it's
>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing unusual
>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for a
>Mac
>>>Book
>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up recently)
>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because
>>it
>>>uses
>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip,
>>and
>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has
a
>>larger
>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>
>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five
>>hours
>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches and
>>>using
>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer recording
>>>worth
>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it goes.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>And a web cam built in it.
"Nappy" <mgr
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77168 is a reply to message #77165] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 23:05 |
DJ
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g.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd" target="_blank"> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
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>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>
>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
I
>>set up two of them last week.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>>tops
>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>
>>I
>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>
>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've
>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
ball
>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
from
>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>
>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
that
>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>
>>> http
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Mon, 18 December 2006 02:50 |
erlilo
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developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>>
>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>>
>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
that
>>>>
>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>>
>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>
>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>>
>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For
>>>
>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for
>>>
>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form
>>>>
>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>for
>>
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Mon, 18 December 2006 04:52 |
Miguel Vigil [1]
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;>>
>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you
>>>
>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
you
>>>>
>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important
>>>>person
>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old
>>likes
>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware
>>>>is
>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
>chipset,
>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic
firewire
>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
>slightly
>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when
>>>>it's
>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing unusual
>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for
a
>>Mac
>>>>Book
>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up
recently)
>>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because
>>>it
>>>>uses
>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bl
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Mon, 18 December 2006 04:50 |
Don Nafe
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uetooth on one chip,
>>>and
>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has
>a
>>>larger
>>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five
>>>hours
>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches
and
>>>>using
>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer recording
>>>>worth
>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it
goes.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Oh ya,did I mention,it runs both OSX and XP
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>And a web cam built in it.
>
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>
>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>
>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>I
>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
lap
>>>tops
>>>>for $750.00.
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77175 is a reply to message #77161] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 04:59 |
Don Nafe
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I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>
>>>I
>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>
>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
I've
>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
>ball
>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>from
>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>
>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>that
>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors.
>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>
>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>the
>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent
>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
machines.
>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>$1300
>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
>>a
>>>>nice
>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
drive
>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
more
>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
to
>>>
>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
>than
>>>>>
>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
>low
>>>>>
>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>onboard graphics instead o
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Mon, 18 December 2006 07:38 |
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f something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>
>>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>>>
>>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>>>
>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
>that
>>>>>
>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>>
>>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>>>
>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
For
>>>>
>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
for
>>>>
>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
form
>>>>>
>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>for
>>>>>
>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
you
>>>>
>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>you
>>>>>
>>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>&g
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77186 is a reply to message #77176] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 12:52 |
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it on solution.
I think that's where a lot of audio PC users are (not average users, but
power/tech savvy users). It isn't so much about "us against them" as
different requirements and decision making approaches - some want to turn on
the switch and not think about it; others want to get a fast system and
hotrod it even more, and the time is paid for in the gains made in workflow
later.
My personal decision making process is simply one of numbers and my own
application - if it makes more sense (power, speed, cost, upgradeability,
software support without crossgrade costs), then a Mac is fine. So far,
that cost has been noticeably higher than staying with a PC. I don't care
which anyone chooses, as long as you see both sides equally.
My main reason for entering this thread is to balance what James said about
PC users - that the conversations turn into bashing Macs, but I see it both
ways. Mac users are also pretty adamant about Macs being an overall better
choice. My other reason...okay, it's kind of fun in a twisted sort of way.
;-) It's fun to talk geek/tech with other pro audio folks from time to
time. Nice diversion from actually getting work done with these beasts. :-)
Regards,
DedricI have not been around much lately so I may have missed a related post,
Sad to say Flying Burrito Brother Sneaky Pete passed this week.
If you don't know who they were, get Farther Along, a dandy good collection."DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aa7220$1@linux...
>I am currently beta testing something wonderful which is drum related. It
>should be released next Thursday/Friday at NAMM. If you are getting ready
>to spend any money on drum related software, keep your wallet in your
>pocket for the next 5 days. You can do it. You will not die...........you
>may suffer, but you will not die.
>
> ;o)
>
Waiting with beated...er bated breathThere are some things to consider. To start the Dell cost $125.00 more to
add the Core 2 Duo 1.8GHz, Or $200.00 more for the 2.0 GHz, so you looking
at $875.00 to $950.00 to start. The Dell has a 15.4" screen, which I think
is an advantage over the MacBook, although some people would Prefer the Compactness
of the MacBook's size. Jobs said some years ago that Apple buys the vary
best LCD screens, they pay more for first choice and their competitors buy
their rejects. I don't know if that's the truth, but I'm sure you guys would
say BS!
Anyways, the MacBook comes with a full version of Mac OSX, not a cut down
home addition. It would cost more to get XP Pro, so you would have to add
another hundred bucks. The MacBook comes with similar software to MS 8,
address book, iCal etc..
The MacBook also comes with the ilife suite of software. I would value that
at a bout two to three hundred dollars. If you consider say, Acid For GarageBand
your looking at around a hundred bucks. You would also have to come up with
the following: Comparable DVD authoring software that is as good as iDVD.
A Photo program that is as good as iPhoto for editing and organizing photos
and a High Definition video editing software that is as good as iMovie HD.
There is also iWeb for web page building that integrates with iPhoto, GarageBand,
and iMovie to up load your
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Mon, 18 December 2006 12:32 |
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multi media to your web Pages, and list your stuff
on the iTunes store. It also has integrated Pod Casts software. The iBook
has front Row, a multimedia playing and organizing software, with a wireless
hardware remote control.
The MacBook also has a built in isight video camera/ still camera, with iChat
audio video conferencing software. Built in wireless, including Bluetooth
2.0+EDR, I don't believe the Dell has Bluetooth???. The MacBook also has
built in firewire, I'm not sure if the Dell has that??? I don't know about
the Dell, the MacBook has the ability to plug in up to a 24" monitor for
extended desk top at up to 1920 x 1200 resolution. The MB has 6 hours of
battery life, I don't know about the Dell??? Industries say that Macs have
better used resale value, i don't know if that's true but it something to
consider. The MacBook has the advantage of being able to run more operating
systems, thus, the ability to run more software, which gives you more choices.
I think if you add it all up, they are comparable Price wise, and one may
have the edge.
James
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
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>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>
>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot. I
>set up two of them last week.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>tops
>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>I
>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>
>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've
>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new ball
>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff from
>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>
>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When that
>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>
>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>
>>James
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors.
>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>
>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard the
>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent
>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their machines.
>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about $1300
>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
a
>>nice
>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical drive
>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>
>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more
>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to
>
>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>
>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more than
>>>
>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their low
>>>
>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has the
>>>
>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>
>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>
>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>
>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs that
>>>
>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>
>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>
>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>
>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For
>>
>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for
>>
>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>
>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form
>>>
>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
for
>>>
>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you
>>
>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier you
>>>
>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important
>>>person
>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old
>likes
>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware
>>>is
>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
chipset,
>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic firewire
>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
slightly
>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when
>>>it's
>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing unusual
>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for a
>Mac
>>>Book
>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up recently)
>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly because
>>it
>>>uses
>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip,
>>and
>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has
a
>>larger
>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>
>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five
>>hours
>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches and
>>>using
>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer recording
>>>worth
>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it goes.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TCB
>>>
>>
>And upgrading the machine I linked to with the exact same Core 2 Duo chip
that is in the Macbook is a whopping $75. And you have a wealth of other
options, since Dell figures the person buying the computer might deserve
a chance to make some choices about what they buy.
None of which has anything to do with the original point I made, which is
that the mystical higher quality components in Macs simply don't exist.
TCB
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
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>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>
>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>
>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
I
>>set up two of them last week.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>>tops
>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>
>>I
>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>
>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've
>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
ball
>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
from
>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>
>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
that
>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>
>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors.
>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>
>>>>My po
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Mon, 18 December 2006 13:41 |
Neil
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int, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
the
>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent
>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their machines.
>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
$1300
>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
>a
>>>nice
>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical drive
>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>
>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more
>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to
>>
>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>>
>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
than
>>>>
>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
low
>>>>
>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
the
>>>>
>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>
>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>>
>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>>
>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
that
>>>>
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Mon, 18 December 2006 19:21 |
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>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>>
>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>
>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>>
>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For
>>>
>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for
>>>
>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form
>>>>
>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>for
>>>>
>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you
>>>
>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
you
>>>>
>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important
>>>>person
>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old
>>likes
>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware
>>>>is
>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
>chipset,
>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic
firewire
>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
>slightly
>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots when
>>>>it's
>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing unusual
>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list for
a
>>Mac
>>>>Book
>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set up
recently)
>>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly bec
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Mon, 18 December 2006 22:12 |
LaMont
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>>>it
>>>>uses
>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip,
>>>and
>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has
>a
>>>larger
>>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five
>>>hours
>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches
and
>>>>using
>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer recording
>>>>worth
>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it
goes.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Ah, we were talking about lap tops!
I think your going to see some great desk tops come from Apple in the next
few months, I wouldn't count them out just yet!
Since you are talking about audio, I will speculate here a bit and say, I
think you may see PC software developers write more programs for the Intel
Macs. Maybe even your favorite programs! Adobe made announcements at MacWorld,
I wonder what NAMM, Music Messa, and NAB will bring. I wonder if there will
be a Logic version for PC??? LaMont will still hate it no matter what;
) LOL!
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>On 1/14/07 1:38 PM, in article 45aa86a2$1@linux, "Nappy"
><mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh ya,did I mention,it runs both OSX and XP
>>
>>
>Which since they are the same hardware, begs the question as to why any
core
>2 duo computer can't run OSX. Oh, that's right, Steve J. won't let us.
:-)
>
>So...what's the more flexible, cost effective, scalable hardware? ;-)
>This is all in good fun, btw. Just for sake of conversation more than
>anything....
>
>Serious Q: Can you buy a Mac core 2 duo that is compatible with a quad core
>cpu? I am doubting it since there are only a few motherboards that support
>both currently, and I believe the current core 2 duo Macs were designed
>before quads really hit the market, but I am curious if anyone knows.
>
>The kicker on this one for me is that I can build a core 2 duo PC today
for
>less than, or about the same cost of the same core 2 duo cpu Mac but with
>more PCI/PCIe slots, more Sata ports, higher buss speed, more RAM, dual
DVI,
>wireless bluetooth, *and* be able to upgrade to a quad core cpu by simply
>dropping one in whenever I want. (That
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Mon, 18 December 2006 22:58 |
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's what I'll be putting together
in
>the next month - it's already spec'd out and ready to order). That's a
>significant consideration for me (and yes, I've been through Apple and
>Dell's custom configurators, as well as a few others - I still come out
>better doing my own from Newegg).
>
>That's a much better investment for me at least. The OS is secondary for
me
>to a large degree - just a means to an end that depends more on hardware
>than the OS. Now if I could buy OSX standalone, I could have an AppleggPC
>running WindowsOSX. I would also mix logos and make a fruit salad. ;-)
>I had considered a Mac this time around, or maybe later this year, but so
>far the above advantage is still outweighing the convenience of a plug it
in
>and turn it on solution.
>
>I think that's where a lot of audio PC users are (not average users, but
>power/tech savvy users). It isn't so much about "us against them" as
>different requirements and decision making approaches - some want to turn
on
>the switch and not think about it; others want to get a fast system and
>hotrod it even more, and the time is paid for in the gains made in workflow
>later.
>
>My personal decision making process is simply one of numbers and my own
>application - if it makes more sense (power, speed, cost, upgradeability,
>software support without crossgrade costs), then a Mac is fine. So far,
>that cost has been noticeably higher than staying with a PC. I don't care
>which anyone chooses, as long as you see both sides equally.
>
>My main reason for entering this thread is to balance what James said about
>PC users - that the conversations turn into bashing Macs, but I see it both
>ways. Mac users are also pretty adamant about Macs being an overall better
>choice. My other reason...okay, it's kind of fun in a twisted sort of way.
>;-) It's fun to talk geek/tech with other pro audio folks from time to
>time. Nice diversion from actually getting work done with these beasts.
:-)
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>One of those tech web sites (ars technica?) dropped
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Tue, 19 December 2006 09:09 |
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gt;and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>
>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more
>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to
>>
>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>>
>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
than
>>>>
>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
low
>>>>
>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
the
>>>>
>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>
>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>
>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>>
>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>>
>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
that
>>>>
>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>>
>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>
>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>>
>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For
>>>
>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for
>>>
>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form
>>>>
>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>for
>>>>
>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you
>>>
>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
you
>>>>
>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an important
>>>>person
>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year old
>>likes
>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple hardware
>>>>is
>>>>>> somehow 's
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Tue, 19 December 2006 10:23 |
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> Ah, we were talking about lap tops!
>
> I think your going to see some great desk tops come from Apple in the next
> few months, I wouldn't count them out just yet!
>
> Since you are talking about audio, I will speculate here a bit and say, I
> think you may see PC software developers write more programs for the Intel
> Macs. Maybe even your favorite programs! Adobe made announcements at
> MacWorld,
> I wonder what NAMM, Music Messa, and NAB will bring. I wonder if there will
> be a Logic version for PC??? LaMont will still hate it no matter what;
> ) LOL!
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> On 1/14/07 1:38 PM, in article 45aa86a2$1@linux, "Nappy"
>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oh ya,did I mention,it runs both OSX and XP
>>>
>>>
>> Which since they are the same hardware, begs the question as to why any
> core
>> 2 duo computer can't run OSX. Oh, that's right, Steve J. won't let us.
> :-)
>>
>> So...what's the more flexible, cost effective, scalable hardware? ;-)
>> This is all in good fun, btw. Just for sake of conversation more than
>> anything....
>>
>> Serious Q: Can you buy a Mac core 2 duo that is compatible with a quad core
>> cpu? I am doubting it since there are only a few motherboards that support
>> both currently, and I believe the current core 2 duo Macs were designed
>> before quads really hit the market, but I am curious if anyone knows.
>>
>> The kicker on this one for me is that I can build a core 2 duo PC today
> for
>> less than, or about the same cost of the same core 2 duo cpu Mac but with
>> more PCI/PCIe slots, more Sata ports, higher buss speed, more RAM, dual
> DVI,
>> wireless bluetooth, *and* be able to upgrade to a quad core cpu by simply
>> dropping one in whenever I want. (That's what I'll be putting together
> in
>> the next month - it's already spec'd out and ready to order). That's a
>> significant consideration for me (and yes, I've been through Apple and
>> Dell's custom configurators, as well as a few others - I still come out
>> better doing my own from Newegg).
>>
>> That's a much better investment for me at least. The OS is secondary for
> me
>> to a large degree - just a means to an end that depends more on hardware
>> than the OS. Now if I could buy OSX standalone, I could have an AppleggPC
>> running WindowsOSX. I would also mix logos and make a fruit salad. ;-)
>> I had considered a Mac this time around, or maybe later this year, but so
>> far the above advantage is still outweighing the convenience of a plug it
> in
>> and turn it on solution.
>>
>> I think that's where a lot of audio PC users are (not average users, but
>> power/tech savvy users). It isn't so much about "us against them" as
>> different requirements and decision making approaches - some want to turn
> on
>> the switch and not think about it; others want to get a fast system and
>> hotrod it even more, and the time is paid for in the gains made in workflow
>> later.
>>
>> My personal decision making process is simply one of numbers and my own
>> application - if it makes more sense (power, speed, cost, upgradeability,
>> software support without crossgrade costs), then a Mac is fine. So far,
>> that cost has been noticeably higher than staying with a PC. I don't care
>> which anyone chooses, as long as you see both sides equally.
>>
>> My main reason for entering this thread is to balance what James said about
>> PC users - that the conversations turn into bashing Macs, but I see it both
>> ways. Mac users are also pretty adamant about Macs being an overall better
>> choice. My other reason...okay, it's kind of fun in a twisted sort of way.
>> ;-) It's fun to talk geek/tech with other pro audio folks from time to
>> time. Nice diversion from actually getting work done with these beasts.
> :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>Man, not again. Pedal steel player, right?
Another angel for the band.
MR
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Tue, 19 December 2006 11:29 |
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>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do the
>>>>>> entire
>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are you
>>>>> guys
>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the new
>>>>> Macs
>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or TigerDirect
>>>>> for a
>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and the
>>>>> OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>> because,
>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>> hardware
>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors -
>>>>> Intel
>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>>> framework -
>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much for
>>>>> math -
>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in the
>>>>> structure
>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions - that's
>>>>> the
>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with Moto
>>>>> is they
>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was a
>>>>> limited
>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them and
>>>>> go for
>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>
>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu is
>>>>> selling
>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could probably
>>>>> drop most
>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless the
>>>>> OS is
>>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other
>>>>> parts are
>>>>> too low.
>>>>>
>>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real difference
>>>>> is what
>>>>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going from
>>>>> Borders to Barnes & Noble.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
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> And a web cam built in it.
>
> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>
>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>
>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
> I
>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>>>tops
>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>
>>>I
>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>
>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>>>>I've
>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>manufactured
>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
> ball
>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
> from
>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>
>>>>I have s
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Tue, 19 December 2006 13:51 |
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>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one chip,
>>>and
>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also has
> a
>>>larger
>>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about five
>>>hours
>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches and
>>>>using
>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer
>>>>>> recording
>>>>worth
>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way it
>>>>>> goes.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs
in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually
"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep
building. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's going to
> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it though.
> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest mobo's I've
> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI slots, but,
> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's teeth. Of
> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to rejoice
> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45aa8362@linux...
>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die. ;^)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I wasn't
>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>
>>> :O)
>>>
>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now that
>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to discuss
>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look of
>>>>> the
>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences. How
>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire to
>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed to
>>>> be
>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always best to
>>>> evalu
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Tue, 19 December 2006 14:26 |
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ref="mailto:Meta@Dimensional.com" target="_blank">Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do the
>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are you
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the new
>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or TigerDirect
>>>>>> for a
>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and the
>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>> because,
>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors -
>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much for
>>>>>> math -
>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in the
>>>>>> structure
>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions - that's
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with Moto
>>>>>> is they
>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was a
>>>>>> limited
>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them and
>>>>>> go for
>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu is
>>>>>> selling
>>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could probably
>>>>>> drop most
>>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless the
>>>>>> OS is
>>>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other
>>>>>> parts are
>>>>>> too low.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real difference
>>>>>> is what
>>>>>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going from
>>>>>> Borders to Barnes & Noble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>TCB wrote:
> None of which has anything to do with the original point I made, which is
> that the mystical higher quality components in Macs simply don't exist.
Except that no one here or AFAIK at Apple has been claiming such a
mystery for the current generation. Which is why no one has disagreed
with your point, other than to note that it's old news.
I could use some fuel for the fire though, it's very cold in Denver today.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> TCB
>
> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>> The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>
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>>>
>>> Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>
>>> There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
> I
>>> set up two of them last week.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo lap
>>> tops
>>>> for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>> I
>>>> wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>
>>>> I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what I've
>>>> read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple manufactured
>>>> proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units that
>>>> PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
> ball
>>>> game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
> from
>>>> Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>
>>>> I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
> that
>>>> happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel processors.
>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>
>>>>> My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
> the
>>>>> argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an equivalent
>>>>> Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their machines.
>>>>> That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
> $1300
>>>>> I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
>> a
>>>> nice
>>>>> black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical drive
>>>>> and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had more
>>>>> money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>
>>>>> TCB
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone to
>>>>>> Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end models?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
> than
>>>>>> a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
> low
>>>>>> end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>> onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
> the
>>>>>> snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>>> doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I imagine
>>>>>> they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>> different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to gain
>>>>>> an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
> that
>>>>>> Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and change
>>>>>> memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop designs
>>>>>> have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness. For
>>>>>> example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not for
>>>>>> HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their form
>>>>>> factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>> for
>>>>>> someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry you
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LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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>DJ wrote:
>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's going
to
>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it though.
>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest mobo's
I've
>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI slots,
but,
>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's teeth.
Of
>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to rejoice
>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45aa8362@linux...
>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
;^)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I wasn't
>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>
>>>> :O)
>>>>
>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now that
>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to discuss
>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences.
How
>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
to
>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed
to
>>>>> be
>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always best
to
>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much difference
>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>> difference...
>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole mountain,
>>>>> not
>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge
>>>>> phone,
>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>> orientation
>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
I
>>>>> might
>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do the
>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are
you
>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the new
>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or TigerDirect
>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and
the
>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
-
>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much for
>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in the
>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>> and form of t
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77231 is a reply to message #77203] |
Tue, 19 December 2006 20:12 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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>So how do I get rid of 90% of the bloat that is advertized as being loaded
>on the Mac? Is that as simple as everything else it does?
>
>;o)
System stuff you can strip out but I would do some reading first. Language
libraries would be first on my list. Programs, just drag them to the trash
and flush the toilet. It's easy!
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45aacb64$1@linux...
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs
>>
>>>in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually
>>>"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep
>>>building. :^)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; )
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>
>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>>>> going
>> to
>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it
>>>> though.
>>
>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest mobo's
>> I've
>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI slots,
>> but,
>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>> teeth.
>> Of
>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to
>>>> rejoice
>>
>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>
>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>> ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I
>>>>>> wasn't
>>
>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
that
>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences.
>> How
>>>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
>> to
>>>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed
>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always
best
>> to
>>>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much
>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>>>> difference...
>>>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole
>>>>>>> mountain,
>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge
>>
>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
>> I
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of
>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
the
>>
>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are
>> you
>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the
new
>>
>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or
>>>>>>>>> TigerDirect
>>
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and
>> the
>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
>> -
>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>
>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
for
>>
>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
the
>>
>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions -
>>>>>>>>> that's
>>
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>
>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
a
>>
>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them
>> and
>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu
is
>>
>>>>>>>>> selling
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77239 is a reply to message #77222] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 07:31 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not going
> to stop me
> from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the software
> you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
> both
> platforms.
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>
>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>
>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>
>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>>> I
>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
> lap
>>>>>tops
>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>
>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
> that
>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole new
>>> ball
>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>>> from
>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>>> that
>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>
>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>>> the
>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>
>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>>> $1300
>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive and
>>>>a
>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>
>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>
>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
> to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
>>> than
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
>>> low
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro has
>>> the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>
>>>>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I
>>>>>>>>imagine
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to
> gain
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
>>> that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and
>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and
>>>>>>>>change
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop
>>>>>>>>designs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
> For
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
> for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
>
>>>>>>>>form
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Chee
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77247 is a reply to message #77239] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 10:11 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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r />
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; )
>>>
>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>>
>>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>
>>>>> going
>>> to
>>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it
>
>>>>> though.
>>>
>>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest
>>>>> mobo's
>>> I've
>>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI
>>>>> slots,
>>> but,
>>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>>> teeth.
>>> Of
>>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to
>
>>>>> rejoice
>>>
>>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>>
>>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>>> ;^)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I
>
>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>
>>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
> that
>>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>
>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user
>>>>>>>>> experiences.
>>> How
>>>>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
>>> to
>>>>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you
>>>>>>>> seemed
>>> to
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always
> best
>>> to
>>>>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much
>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>>>>> difference...
>>>>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole
>>>>>>>> mountain,
>>>
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge
>>>
>>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
>>> I
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using
>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors,
>>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly are
>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the
> new
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or
>>>>>>>>>> TigerDirect
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case and
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
>>> -
>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
> for
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
> the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions -
>
>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>
>>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
> a
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch them
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered fo
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| Re: Neil's Dilemma (was: looking for De-esser plugin) [message #77251 is a reply to message #77231] |
Wed, 20 December 2006 11:22 |
LaMon
Messages: 18
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on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes
>> good
>> sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and Logic
>> then I'll get
>> a PC. Sure I'd like to run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not going
>> to stop me
>> from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the software
>> you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
>> both
>> platforms.
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>>
>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>>
>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet spot.
>>>> I
>>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
>> lap
>>>>>>tops
>>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at $1299.
>>>>>
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>>
>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
>> that
>>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole
new
>>>> ball
>>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much stuff
>>>> from
>>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops. When
>>>> that
>>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often heard
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>>
>>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs about
>>>> $1300
>>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive
and
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>>
>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>>
>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's black.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch more
>>>> than
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is their
>>>> low
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro
has
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>snazzier stuff, but it's still off the shelf with OSX drivers. Apple
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>doesn't and hasn't ever AFAIK developed their own graphics chipsets.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well heck, they don't develop their own CPUs either, although I
>>>>>>>>>imagine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>they give input to those companies. Up until last year Apple chose
>>>>>>>>>different CPU models than were blessed by Microsoft, and tried to
>> gain
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>an advantage from the differences. Now they are using the same CPUs
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Microsoft likes, so any advantage is going to be from design and
>>>>>>>>>software.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I like Apple's desktop case design. Really easy to get into and
>>>>>>>>>change
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>memory, drives, etc.; quiet and cool running airflow. The laptop
>>>>>>>>>designs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>have varied at accessibility, sometimes compromising for thinness.
>> For
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>example my PowerBook is easy to access for memory upgrades but not
>> for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>HD upgrades. That may have changed in the new ones.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mac laptop sales are rising, other manufacturers are copying their
>>
>>>>>>>>>form
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>factor, but if you ever buy one (other than overpaying for a Macbook
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>someone else, and then complaining about it) I'll be amazed. Sorry
>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to subject yourself to working on a Mac today, but even sorrier
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>had to infect it with XP. ;^)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> So, I had to set up XP on a Mac Book today. The child of an
>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>person
>>>>>>>>>> on my office had one and, surprise, most of the games a 12 year
>> old
>>>>>>likes
>>>>>>>>>> to play don't have Mac versions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, once and for all I can put to rest the notion that Apple
>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>> somehow 'super special' and thus justifies the higher price. Intel
>>>>>chipset,
>>>>>>>>>> Intel integrated graphics, Atheros wireless, Marvell NIC, generic
>>>> firewire
>>>>>>>>>> controller. The CD/DVD burner was the slot loading kind, so that's
>>>>>slightly
>>>>>>>>>> cool (unless you want to pop out the CD before the machine boots
>>
>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>> nice to have a physical switch), but that's about the only thing
>>
>>>>>>>>>> unusual
>>>>>>>>>> about the hardware. If you were to show me the XP device list
for
>>>> a
>>>>>>Mac
>>>>>>>>Book
>>>>>>>>>> and the same list from a Dell 640m (two of which I've also set
up
>>>> recently)
>>>>>>>>>> I would have given a _slight_ preference to the Dell, mostly
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>uses
>>>>>>>>>> an Intel wireless chipset that does b/g/n and bluetooth on one
>>>>>>>>>> chip,
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>> I've had very good luck with those wireless cards. A 640m also
has
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>larger
>>>>>>>>>> screed and costs around $750.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In better news, I wound up on modular synth dreamland for about
>> five
>>>>>>>hours
>>>>>>>>>> last night, wiring up my John Bowen Pro Wave into modular patches
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>using
>>>>>>>>>> it to feed vocoders and all of the things that make computer
>>>>>>>>>> recording
>>>>>>>>worth
>>>>>>>>>> it. Then I forgot to save the presets, but hey, that's the way
it
>>>> goes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Let me know how your new
> build
> goes for that PARIS box I'll be needing help when I build mine.
I'll kepp you guys posted. I decided to use the HD that I was going to be
the system drive in my Pariws rig today so I need to get another HD. After
that I'
ll finish the build. I'm going to order a Seagate or two for this DAW, I
think, and they don't sell them here in the snow covered wilderness.
I'll be glad to help when you start your build.
;o)
Deej
"Nappy"
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<mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aaffc2$1@linux...
>
> I agree,they are both from the same cloth. I thought you were kiddin but
> was'nt
> sure. Thanks for clearing that up. I use to be afraid of PC's but since
> owning
> one
> I've come to the conclusion that they are just computers. I like OSX a bit
> better than
> XP mainly because I know the keyboard shotcuts better. If I could get OSX
> to run
> on a PC with to much trouble I would do it in a Heartbeat,if fact when I
> build my
> PARIS PC box I'll try and get it to boot into OSX. Let me know how your
> new
> build
> goes for that PARIS box I'll be needing help when I build mine.
>
> respect
> Nappy
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>Nappy. I forgot to put a smiley after my post. I was definitely kiddin'
>
>>around. Despite my misgivings about Mr. Jobs, I'm seeing some upside to
> Macs
>>these days. Old habits die hard though and IMHO, Jobs and Gates are cut
> from
>>the same cloth. I guess that's what irks me the most about Mac....the
>>"pseudo high road" mentality. they are both boxes full of componentry with
>
>>OS'es that appeal to certain folks, as you said.
>>
>>Regards,
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aaeb8d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> DJ,
>>> I know a web cam does'nt do audio. I'm a bit dissapointed in you.
>>> I'm not trying to make the point that the Mac is a better computer,I'm
>
>>> just
>>> pointing out some things that the Macbook has that the Dell does'nt.
>>> Really my response is to Thad being the PC opposite of James. You seem
> to
>>> forget all his talk of Debian which has nothing to do with audio. I
>>> could
>>> care less
>>> which laptop you use as long as you are happy with it. Sure you can
>>> build
>>> a PC
>>> Core duo 2 box for cheaper than a Mac,but you can't run OSX on it. If
> your
>>> mad
>>> that Steve Jobs wont let you run OSX on a PC thats another story. All
> I'm
>>> saying is If you put all
>>> that hatred for Steve Jobs a side you should see that owning a Mac is
> not
>>> a bad idea
>>> seeing you have all the software available to you and switching would
> be
>>> painless
>>> since you would not have to buy all new software. You could run Wavelab
> if
>>> you want as well as LOgic on the same box,what is so wrong about that?
>>>
>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
>>> core
>>> Xeon
>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
>>> Ludwig
>>>
>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>> like it
>>> or not they have software that I use that only runs on a Mac and I can
> run
>>> any
>>> software that runs on XP on it as well and from were i sit thats makes
>
>>> good
>>> sense to me. Now if they come out with a PC version of Aperture and
>>> Logic
>>> then I'll get
>>> a PC. Sure I'd like to run OSX on a PC,but hating Steve Jobs is not
>>> going
>>> to stop me
>>> from using the software I want. Remember the old saying,"Find the
>>> software
>>> you want to use and pick the platform that supports it" The Mac supports
>>> both
>>> platforms.
>>>
>>> respect
>>> Nappy
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>How many tracks can that webcam record and play back?
>>>>
>>>>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote in message news:45aa864c$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> And a web cam built in it.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Macbooks have core duo 2 cpu's,try again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us& cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=bndwe4j&s=bsd
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Core Duo laptop, 15.4" screen, DVD burner, 1 GB memory. $750
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There are better deals on occasion but this is the current sweet
>>>>>>>spot.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>>set up two of them last week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Thad! I was checking Dell's prices, I didn't see any Core 2 Duo
>>> lap
>>>>>>>tops
>>>>>>>>for $750.00. I could be wrong, but it looks like they start at
>>>>>>>>$1299.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>wonder what they would cost similarly configured?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I think Apple typically makes more margin per unit, well that's what
>>>
>>>>>>>>I've
>>>>>>>>read. As a dealer margins were always tight. In the past Apple
>>>>>>>>manufactured
>>>>>>>>proprietary hardware, and they just didn't sell the number of units
>>> that
>>>>>>>>PC manufactures did to have low prices. With Intel, it's a whole
> new
>>>>> ball
>>>>>>>>game for Apple. I would think Dell still buys 10 times as much
>>>>>>>>stuff
>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>Intel as Apple does. Dell probably gets better pricing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have seen Dell do a thousand dollar rebate on their lap tops.
>>>>>>>>When
>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>happens, Apple will not be able to compete.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.dell.com/content/products/category.aspx/notebooks ?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>>processors.
>>>>>>>>>You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of tech.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My point, which I stated fairly clearly, was that I have often
>>>>>>>>>heard
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>argument made that the reason Apple hardware is pricier than an
>>>>>>>>>equivalent
>>>>>>>>>Dell or home build is because they use superior components in their
>>>
>>>>>>>>>machines.
>>>>>>>>>That's nonsense. Having seen their 'low end' laptop which runs
>>>>>>>>>about
>>>>> $1300
>>>>>>>>>I can say for sure that aside from the slot loading optical drive
> and
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>nice
>>>>>>>>>black case it's a slight downgrade from a $750 Dell. If the optical
>>>
>>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>>and case are worth 45% more to you, than that's fine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW - Debian Etch is relatively easy get working on these. If I had
>>>
>>>>>>>>>more
>>>>>>>>>money than sense I'd get one as a Debian machine because it's
>>>>>>>>>black.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where's the fuel? You mean you finally noticed that Apple has gone
>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Intel for hardware designs, and onboard graphics on the low end
>>>>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This is pretty old news. When Apple announced the Intel switch
>>>>>>>>>>more
>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>a year ago, this was one of the reasons given. The Macbook is
>>>>>>>>>>their
>>>>> low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>end laptop, and probably the biggest cost reduction was using the
>>>>>>>>>>onboard graphics instead of something snazzier. The Macbook Pro
> has
>>>>> the
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as everything to do with it.
I agree on PCI slots, hardware, etc. that's my big reason for staying with
PCs, that and they are just easier to use as sample library farms (and
multiple PCs also certainly work fine with a Mac/Logic as the main
sequencer/host).
Actually for the $90 saved, I would also be getting higher quality RAM (at
least based on what past models have used), possibly a better hard drive,
more PCI slots, and more options on the motherboard out of the box, but
yeah, it's only really relevant for guys like me that try to get the most
out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the
extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so I could
get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an extra
$299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200).
Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's a
great solution.
It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts that
often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's shades of
silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than a $90
difference or a half day spent building a system.
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy"
<mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Dedric,
> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design plus
> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build it
> makes
> up for the 90 plus dollars you save. I'm just saying it makes sense for a
> Pro to buy.
> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm not
> a die
> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it makes
> more sense.
> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots to
> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings about
> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more options.
> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm talking
> about options as far as
> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was already
> stated
> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac the
> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>
> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>
> respect
> Nappy
> PS please respond
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel core
>>> Xeon
>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris Ludwig
>>>
>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>
>>
>> Hey Nappy -
>>
>> From Newegg.com,
>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>> Antec power supply
>> Coolermaster case
>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>
>> $2356 shipped.
>>
>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have spent
>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk rate
>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual
>> buyer.
>>
>> fwiw....
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>The power cable to my 7 slot Magma holding the EDS cards had wiggled loose
and the chassis had shut down. If even one little niggling thing isn't right
with this monstrosity, the whole thing will fold like a house of cards.
;o)
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:45aa773c@linux...
> ... and the problem was?....
> AA
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aa7171@linux...
>> Woke up this morning. Discovered the problem (not cable related at all).
>> Fixed it. Rebooted DAW, deleted existing array (which was hosed), created
>> new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a 160G WD 8MB
>> drive for audio.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
>>> Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO
>>> of my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA
>>> cables was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then
>>> plugged it back in.
>>>
>>> All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run Ghost
>>> (BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal. I
>>> finally unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost,
>>> restore a recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the SATA
>>> cables back in.
>>>
>>> I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
>>> rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
>>> turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and the
>>> same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at all
>>> and my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm using
>>> were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma because
>>> of the vicinity of the SATA port locations. Believe me, I've tried
>>> everything else imaginable. I've got one new SATA cable here and I have
>>> switched it around between the two used cables but no luck. Both SATA
>>> drives do appear in the RAID setup. They just can't be arrayed properly.
>>>
>>> Guess I'll reformat my boot drive tomorrow and reload Windows ME and
>>> Paris. That's about all I use on this machine anyway (sigh)
>>>
>>> Luckily I have my audio files backed up because this RAID POS was my
>>> audio drive. Nothing lost except for a couple of .ppj's that aren't
>>> important. Even if it turns out to be a bad cable, I think I'll shitcan
>>> this RAID stuff and just get myself a nice big 7200 for audio.
>>>
>>> RAID=unnecessary PITA. IMO.
>>> Deej
>>>
>>
>>
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this just posted to the RME forum:
The HDSPe PCI Card and the HDSPe MADI card are newly engineered=20
PCI-Express versions of their PCI successors. Still based on RME's
famous Hammerfall DSP series features and quality the new PCI-Express
core ensures full compatibility and maximum performance with
the latest high-speed serial bus technology found in all newer
motherboards and computers. Furthermore RME=B4s FPGA core ensures
full update capability via RME's Secure Flash technology,
for further hardware and driver updates.
The HDSPe PCI Card is a short length PCIe x1 card that provides
RME=B4s own high-speed serial audio data bus, as used in the Multiface,
Multiface II, Digiface and RPM. These systems are owned and used
by ten thousands of audio professionals around the planet.
If users are looking for a no-compromise high-speed audio solution
combined with ultimate compatibility, these devices are still
state of the art. The Multiface II and Digiface solutions combine
some of the highest possible audio transmission rates and low-latency
features you can realize with card-based interface techniques,
faster than most serial solutions; combined with flexible connectivity.
Artists and studios all over the world rely on these combinations.
With the HDSPe PCI Card the further use of the existing range
of RME=B4s I/O boxes in next generation computers is secured.
As a special addition, the new HDSP PCIe series is prepared
to support the use of the TCO, RME's Time Code Option,
with Multiface/II and Digiface.
The HDSPe MADI card rounds up RME=B4s Premium Line MADI products
as it is now the interfacing flagship to the MADI world.
The HDSPe MADI card offers a powerful 128 I/O-channel computer
connection. It supports 56- and 64-channel modes as well as
Single and Double Wire formats. All 64 inputs and 64 playback
channels can be routed and mixed independently to 64 physical outputs.
The HDSPe MADI turns every "state of the art" computer
into a powerful DAW (Digital Audio Workstation).
The HDSPe MADI offers the most powerful router/mixer
implemented on a single PCI-Express card ever.
Compared to the existing standard PCI MADI card,
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like support for higher sample rates than 96 kHz,
TCO support and lower latency.
Both cards come with drivers for Windows XP (multi-client operation
of MME, GSIF and ASIO 2.0) and brandnew Windows Vista drivers.
Apple users are perfectly served with Power PC and X86 (Intel)
drivers providing Core Audio and Core MIDI support.
The HDSPe PCI Card will be available worldwide from March 2007.
The HDSPe MADI Card will be available from April 2007.
The pricing will be slightly higher compared to the standard PCI card=20
products.
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------=_NextPart_000_0199_01C73830.7D843330--And if the power cable came loose on your all ITB 256 track with zero
latency dream machine, you'd probably be in the same situation
;-p
Hoov
DJ wrote:
> The power cable to my 7 slot Magma holding the EDS cards had wiggled loose
> and the chassis had shut down. If even one little niggling thing isn't right
> with this monstrosity, the whole thing will fold like a house of cards.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
> news:45aa773c@linux...
>
>>... and the problem was?....
>>AA
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45aa7171@linux...
>>
>>>Woke up this morning. Discovered the problem (not cable related at all).
>>>Fixed it. Rebooted DAW, deleted existing array (which was hosed), created
>>>new array. Everything works again. Am currently formatting a 160G WD 8MB
>>>drive for audio.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45a9dcc4@linux...
>>>
>>>>Well.........****!!! I was noodling around with a PCI card on the MOBO
>>>>of my paris rig (it was turned off) and noticed that one of my SATA
>>>>cables was a bit stressed so I unplugged it, straightened it and then
>>>>plugged it back in.
>>>>
>>>>All hell has broken loose with my RAID array. I could not even run Ghost
>>>>(BSOD related to the Promise raid driver being less-than-equal. I
>>>>finally unplugged the SATA drives, and was able to boot into Ghost,
>>>>restore a recent drive image, then before I rebooted, I plugged the SATA
>>>>cables back in.
>>>>
>>>>I got a message that my RAID array was hosed so I deleted it and then
>>>>rebuilt it. Everything worked and life was good for about an hour. I
>>>>turned my machine off, then a couple of hours later, I rebooted and the
>>>>same thing happened but now I can't get the RAID array to work at all
>>>>and my system drive shows to be unbootable.
>>>>
>>>>I'm wondering if this could be faulty SATA cables. Both cables I'm using
>>>>were bent over double back before I had my EDS cards in a Magma because
>>>>of the vicinity of the SATA port locations. Believe me, I've tried
>>>>everything else imaginable. I've got one new SATA cable here and I have
>>>>switched it around between the two used cables but no luck. Both SATA
>>>>drives do appear in the RAID setup. They just can't be arrayed properly.
>>>>
>>>>Guess I'll reformat my boot drive tomorrow and reload Windows ME and
>>>>Paris. That's about all I use on this machine anyway (sigh)
>>>>
>>>>Luckily I have my audio files backed up because this RAID POS was my
>>>>audio drive. Nothing lost except for a couple of .ppj's that aren't
>>>>important. Even if it turns out to be a bad cable, I think I'll shitcan
>>>>this RAID stuff and just get myself a nice big 7200 for audio.
>>>>
>>>>RAID=unnecessary PITA. IMO.
>>>>Deej
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>From Apples web site. Included software with Mac Pro
• Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger
• The world's most advanced operating system including the latest versions
of these system applications:
• • Address Book
• • DVD Player
• • iCal
• • iChat AV
• • Mail
• • Preview
• • Safari
• • Xcode
• iLife '06 suite for creating photo projects, making movies, designing
DVDs, building websites, and composing music
• • iWork '06 30-day trial
• • Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac 30-day Test Drive
• • Comic Life
• • OmniOutliner
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Nappy - first I'm just posting as a friendly comparison of perspectives,
>not a one is "better" than the other debate, just to be sure you don't
>misunderstand my intent, or think that I'm trying to degrade the value of
a
>Mac - great systems and nice design on a lot of levels. :-)
>
>The only software I saw in the Apple store config was optional - iLife,
etc,
>and not included in the $2499. (Bluetooth, etc. also additional). Doesn't
>really leave much, if anything different from what comes with Windows XP.
>Sure, iPhoto, iMovie are nicer than Windows, but I don't use those at all
as
>they are really just home user apps anyway.
>
>Software advantage depends on what you need it for - for Logic, there's
no
>other choice. If it's for home use, or even just buying off the shelf,
then
>preference really has everything to do with it.
>
>I agree on PCI slots, hardware, etc. that's my big reason for staying with
>PCs, that and they are just easier to use as sample library farms (and
>multiple PCs also certainly work fine with a Mac/Logic as the main
>sequencer/host).
>
>Actually for the $90 saved, I would also be getting higher quality RAM (at
>least based on what past models have used), possibly a better hard drive,
>more PCI slots, and more options on the motherboard out of the box, but
>yeah, it's only really relevant for guys like me that try to get the most
>out of it for a specific purpose. And yes it is in a pro use where the
>extra 5-10% can make a difference - even spending an extra $90 or so I could
>get 2G which is a minimum for what I do - to add an extra 1G it's an extra
>$299 (assuming the buyer would want to go DIY to save $200).
>
>Of course that doesn't make the Mac any less of a pro solution - it's a
>great solution.
>
>It's preference - that's all I'm saying. There aren't stark contrasts that
>often seem to be purported in these threads. For most people it's shades
of
>silicon and grey; but for some users, those shades are much more than a
$90
>difference or a half day spent building a system.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 1/14/07 9:57 PM, in article 45aafba9$1@linux, "Nappy"
><mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Dedric,
>> If you add all the software that comes with it and the elegant design
plus
>> the fact that you can run both OSX and XP and you don't have to build
it
>> makes
>> up for the 90 plus dollars you save. I'm just saying it makes sense for
a
>> Pro to buy.
>> You can do what you want,but you can't deny that its a good value. I'm
not
>> a die
>> hard Mac person,in fact I'm going to build a PC to run PARIS on,it makes
>> more sense.
>> PC motherboards still offer PCI slots,and buying an old Mac that boots
to
>> OS9 is a step backwards. All I'm saying is don't let your feelings about
>> Steve Jobs stop you from making a move to a Mac if it gives you more options.
>> Lets face it,Thad and James represent two extremes of opinions,I'm talking
>> about options as far as
>> software goes,yes hardware wise PC's have more options,but as was already
>> stated
>> they both have the same or some of the same hardware so I give the Mac
the
>> advantage to Mac for software options. Thats My point.
>>
>> Is saving 90 plus dollars worth it?
>>
>> respect
>> Nappy
>> PS please respond
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> On 1/14/07 8:48 PM, in article 45aaeb8d$1@linux, "Nappy"
>>> <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> You see,Thad has still not address the desktop Mac which have 2 Duel
core
>>>> Xeon
>>>> prosessors for $2499,try building one of them for cheaper,ask Chris
Ludwig
>>>>
>>>> if he can build one with the same specs for cheaper. I like Macs because
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Nappy -
>>>
>>> From Newegg.com,
>>> dual 2.66 Xeon
>>> Gigabyte server motherboard,
>>> 1G Corsair DDR2 Ram (2x512),
>>> 250G Western Digital SATA 3G drive
>>> NVidia GeForce 7300 256M card
>>> Sony DVD/CD combo drive (+/- DVDR), 16x
>>> Antec power supply
>>> Coolermaster case
>>> Windows XP Pro SP2 with free upgrade to Vista:
>>>
>>> $2356 shipped.
>>>
>>> Not sure what motherboard or drives Apple uses - I think our last Mac
>>> used Samsung. Memory and DVD/CD drive - also not sure. So I may have
spent
>>> more than necessary on this example. Apple also probably gets a bulk
rate
>>> on cpus so that can save a little over paying $700 each as an individual
>>> buyer.
>>>
>>> fwiw....
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>
>Hey Tom...Yes I have (Kurzweil). I jave a Kurzweil K2500xs with 4 sample Libs,
and both Translotor and CDxtract did a really good job in translating to
other formats. In my case, I have translated my entire library over to Giga
format and wav for drums..
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hey Lamont,
>Thanks for the tip. Have you used Translator with Kurzweil discs?
>Does it actually get the loop points correctly? I was hoping it would
>also translate the effects in some way to Kontakt too. =20
>
>Anything you have experienced would be great to know.
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message =
>news:45aa482f$1@linux...
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> CdXtract works great for wha you want to do, but Chicken System's =
>Translator
> works even better..Check it out.
>
> =
> http://www.chickensys.com/products/sw_iteminfo.php?sw_name=3 DTranslator+P=
>ro
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >I have a bunch of Roland and Kurzweil CDRs that I was hoping to
> >install into Kontakt. The Rolands are missing the data that creates
> >the mapping on many. The Kurzweils have loop point issues (feeding =
>=3D
> >back!)
> >along with layers not always showing up.
> >
> >I want to think cdXtract 4.1 will do a better job but they haven't =
>=3D
> >retuned
> >my multiple emails to tech support and sales. Anyone like the =
>program?
> >Should I spring for the $139 just to see if it works? =3D20
> >
> >What would you do? $139 would get me another sample disk in Kontakt
=
>=3D
> >format . . .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html =20
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D
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> ><META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3D3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I have a bunch of Roland and =
>Kurzweil =3D
> >CDRs that I=3D20
> >was hoping to</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>install into Kontakt. The =
>Rolands =3D
> >are missing=3D20
> >the data that creates</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>the mapping on many. The =3D
> >Kurzweils have loop=3D20
> >point issues (feeding back!)</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>along </FONT><FONT =
>face=3D3DArial =3D
> >size=3D3D2>with layers=3D20
> >not always showing up.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> &g
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> just to see if it works? =3D20<BR>><BR>>What would you do? =
>$139=20
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> .<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to =
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>hmmmm...........can you just stop them from running in the background and
>then reenable them like the Administrative Tools options in windows?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dej
The only software that runs in the back ground is DashBoard, and you can
disable it, or completely remove it. But I don't think it's much of a hit
on the system.
I'm still not sure why you think Mac OSX is bloated? I'm not sure why you
think the first thing you would have to do is get under the hood and start
ripping things out??? To me it would be like you getting a new 600 hp. Dodge
Viper, and the first thing you want to do is rip out the AC system and passenger
seat to make it faster, when all your going to do is drive it on the street.
I would use a Mac out of the box for 6 months and worry about optimizing
it later. However, if you want to hot rod a Mac, this is one of the sites.
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/
Some of what you call bloat, like GarageBand you might find useful for song
writing. Until you use it for a while, you won't know. Your thinking that
you need a dedicated optimize audio work station, and that's Ok, but with
a Mac you really can use it for everything without it being a problem. I
guess it's a different line of thinking.
Honestly, I think it could be a bit of a hard transition for a hard core
PC user. I think at first, nothing will be where you want it to be. I think
it would be like being dropped off in a huge city you never been in. A place
where they drive on the opocit side of the street and nobody speaks your
language. It is to some extent like a whole different world. You'd have
the basics down in an hour or two. After a year of honest effort, you will
either hate it, or be totally hook. Either way, you'll truly know if a Mac
is for you.
I'm not telling you to get a Mac, I think if you do, you will miss all your
PC tinkering. Then again, I know you'll find away.
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45aacfdd$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>So how do I get rid of 90% of the bloat that is advertized as being
>>>loaded
>>
>>>on the Mac? Is that as simple as everything else it does?
>>>
>>>;o)
>>
>> System stuff you can strip out but I would do some reading first.
>> Language
>> libraries would be first on my list. Programs, just drag them to the
>> trash
>> and flush the toilet. It's easy!
>>
>> James
>>
>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45aacb64$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs
>>>>
>>>>>in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually
>>>>>"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep
>>>>>building. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; )
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>>>
>>>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>>
>>>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with
it
>>
>>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest
>>>>>> mobo's
>>>> I've
>>>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI
>>>>>> slots,
>>>> but,
>>>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>>>> teeth.
>>>> Of
>>>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get
to
>>
>>>>>> rejoice
>>>>
>>>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>>>
>>>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>>>> ;^)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since
I
>>
>>>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>
>>>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
>> that
>>>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>>
>>>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
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r />
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world
of
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors,
>>>>>>>>>>>> onboard
>>>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> entire
>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard now? So now, what were you complaining about?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pardon me dropping in uninvited.... but...umm... what exactly
are
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>>>>>> arguing about? ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> An Intel cpu is an Intel cpu. Don't know what motherboards the
>> new
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>>>>>>> use, but undoubtedly they are also available on Newegg or
>>>>>>>>>>> TigerDirect
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>>>> PC - the same goes for every other part, other than the case
and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> OS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Motorola boards were made for Apple (probably exclusively)
>>>>>>>>>>> because,
>>>>>>>>>>> well, no one else used Motorola cpus for a PC (mostly for other
>>>>>>>>>>> hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> devices). I learned assembly language on 808x and 68k processors
>>>> -
>>>>>>>>>>> Intel
>>>>>>>>>>> and Motorola. Both do much the same thing, but with a different
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> framework -
>>>>>>>>>>> 68k's were a little better suited for graphics, but not so much
>> for
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> math -
>>>>>>>>>>> vice versa for the Intels, though the differences were more in
>> the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> structure
>>>>>>>>>>> and form of the instruction set, rather than actual functions
-
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> main difference the later versions inherited. The problem with
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Moto
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is they
>>>>>>>>>>> couldn't get their clock speeds down with their design - it was
>> a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>>> design there. I think it is smart of Apple to finally ditch
them
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> go for
>>>>>>>>>>> Intel (or AMD as was considered for a while I believe).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Motherboard manufacturers just make boards to run whatever cpu
>> is
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>>>>>> enough to warrant making a board for it, so now you could
>>>>>>>>>>> probably
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> drop most
>>>>>>>>>>> any core 2 duo compatible mobo in a Mac and it should run, unless
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> OS is
>>>>>>>>>>> setup to lock out all but spec'd boards, or tolerances with other
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> parts are
>>>>>>>>>>> too low.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With comps today, when it comes down to it, the only real
>>>>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>>> the GUI and the logos look like.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The rest is no more of a variation on a theme than you get going
>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> Borders to Barnes & Noble.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>Well, here's more.
http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/mac031004.html
http://guides.macrumors.com/Uninstalling_Applications_in_Mac _OS_X
uninstaller software:
http://mac.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Uninstaller.sh tml
http://www.allume.com/mac/springcleaning/updates.html
http://www.appzapper.com/
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>So how do I get rid of 90% of the bloat that is advertized as being loaded
>on the Mac? Is that as simple as everything else it does?
>
>;o)
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:45aacb64$1@linux...
>>
>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Heh. True, and good thing too. Don't forget to keep track of your costs
>>
>>>in all this, so next time we discuss which platform is actually
>>>"cheaper" we remember to take into account all these systems you keep
>>>building. :^)
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> Soon it will be Vista surgery time, ouch! ; )
>>
>> http://www.apple.com/getamac/
>>
>> ...and it goes on, and on!
>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>> I'm building a new one right now with an AMD 64 4800 x 2 CPU that's
>>>> going
>> to
>>>> have 3 x EDS cards in it pretty soon. I've had some "issues" with it
>>>> though.
>>
>>>> Strange stuff, but I'm getting there. this is one of the coolest mobo's
>> I've
>>>> ever seen as far as being able to assign IRQ's to individual PCI slots,
>> but,
>>>> of course, like Paris, it's a discontinued model and rarer'n hen's
>>>> teeth.
>> Of
>>>> course, being a Mac guy instead of a normal person, you don't get to
>>>> rejoice
>>
>>>> in the ability to assign IRQs.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45aa8362@linux...
>>>>> Don't get a Mac Deej. If we don't hear at least one story every month
>>
>>>>> about an amazing cobbled together Deej DAW contraption, we will die.
>> ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> I really thought hard about jumping into this, especially since I
>>>>>> wasn't
>>
>>>>>> accused of hating Macs, but it's worse than arguing politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :O)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:C1CFB853.6939%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>> On 1/14/07 9:53 AM, in article 45aa5d12@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right Dedric, they're all computers. They have always used
>>>>>>>> similar components and people argued about the differences. Now
that
>>>>>>>> they use pretty much the same components, there's still room to
>>>>>>>> discuss
>>>>>>>> what differences remain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The difference between OSX and, say, Vista, is more than the look
>> of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> GUI and logos. While there are strong similarities, different
>>>>>>>> philosophies and implementations create different user experiences.
>> How
>>>>>>>> much of that difference matters to you will influence your desire
>> to
>>>>>>>> waste time on these threads. :^)
>>>>>>> Of course - I was just giving you guys a hard time because you seemed
>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> arguing the same point from different perspectives. It's always
best
>> to
>>>>>>> evaluate tech gear for what it is rather than how it is marketed.
>>>>>>>> But if you just want to get down the hill and don't see much
>>>>>>>> difference
>>>>>>>> in how you get there, a snowboard is as good as skis. No real
>>>>>>>> difference...
>>>>>>> Skis are better :-) ...and it's important to enjoy the whole
>>>>>>> mountain,
>>
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> just the groomed runs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW - iPhone is very cool. I don't have a new PDA, or cutting edge
>>
>>>>>>> phone,
>>>>>>> so maybe there are other options too, but the touch screen and
>>>>>>> orientation
>>>>>>> detection rock. Too expensive for now though. If they come down,
>> I
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> consider getting one if it isn't too bulky for a phone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/07 6:48 PM, in article 45a988e7@linux, "Jamie K"
>>>>>>>>> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> That's right, Jamie, I finally noticed that Apple is using Intel
>>>>>>>>>>> processors.
>>>>>>>>>>> You know me, never up on much in that wild and crazy world of
>>>>>>>>>>> tech.
>>>>>>>>>> Guess not, for Apple anyway. This is old news. Processors, onboard
>>>>>>>>>> graphics chipsets on the low end, and, heck, doesn't Intel do
the
>>
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