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interesting David Byrne article [message #93847]

Sat, 22 December 2007 01:35

steve the artguy
Messages: 308
Registered: June 2005

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against
> Apple computer. I do not believe the results of that suit were disclosed,
> however it sounds like Apple Computer did Ok.
>
> By the way, wasn't this about Vista? Vista still sucks; )
>
> "Aaron

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Gantt's Dilemma (was: interesting David Byrne article) [message #93866 is a reply to message #93847]

Sat, 22 December 2007 07:44

Paul Artola

Messages: 161
Registered: November 2005

Senior Member

gy accepted, and I want to thank you for your honesty abo=
ut 
> what you use and your preferences.  I find it vary interesting th=
at you are 
> able to run Mac OSX on PC hardware.  I don't know who else would =
be 
> interested, 
> but it would be great if you would post your setup again and what you =
had 
> to do to get it running. 
> 
> Some times the old NG gets a little boring, a little heated debate isn=
't 
> all bad.  I'm with Kim, this dead horse belongs on the general NG=
..  And yes, 
> I'm ready to give it a rest, if everybody else is.  ? 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21/02/08 10:56 AM, in article 47bcb00c$1@linux, "James &nb=
sp;McCloskey" 
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey I'm not riled up, I'm just setting things strait.  Wh=
en I see or hear 
>>> the same old lies like Apple stole the GUI from Xerox PARC I'l=
l set you 
> strait 
>>> because it's not true.  When=
People say Apple is just as bad as Microsoft 
>>> when it comes to ethical business practices, I'll speak up bec=
ause it's 
> not 
>>> true also.  I've ask for exa=
mples of Apple doing the same kind of stuff. 
>>>  I know Apple has done somethings that I don't care for m=
yself, but you 
> can't 
>>> say Apple is just as bad as Micro=
soft. 
>>> 
>>> I always hear something stupid like, somebody wanting to buy m=
ovies from 
>>> the iTunes store to play on their MS Zune ( an MS rip off of t=
he iPod). 
>>> You can't put a Chevy tailgate on your Ford truck either, so w=
hat. 
>>> 
>>> Martin, aren't you the guy that runs Mac OSX on PC hardware? &=
nbsp;What's wrong 
>>> with Vista? 
>>> 
>>> By the way you starting to get personal, Martin. 
>>> 
&

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Re: Gantt's Dilemma (was: interesting David Byrne article) [message #93917 is a reply to message #93866]

Sun, 23 December 2007 12:02

Gantt Kushner

Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...

Senior Member

h official
>>>around these parts,
>>> you see, so we're not sure what to do with you." "No
>>>problem, just
>>> let me in," says the man. "Well, I'd like to, but I
>>>have orders from
>>> higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day
>>>in hell and one in
>>> heaven. Then you can choose where to spend
>>>eternity." "Really, I've made
>>> up my mind. I want to be in heaven," says the
>>>senator. "I'm sorry, but
>>> we have our rules."
>>>
>>>And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator
>>>and he goes down,
>>> down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds
>>>himself in the middle
>>> of a green golf course. In the distance is a
>>>clubhouse and standing in
>>> front of it are all his friends and other politicians
>>>who had worked
>>> with him.
>>>
>>>Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run
>>>to greet him,
>>> shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times
>>>they had while
>>> getting rich at the expense of the people. They play
>>>a friendly game of golf
>>> and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.
>>>
>>>Also present is the devil, who really is a very
>>>friendly guy who has a
>>> good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having
>>>such a good time
>>> that before he realizes it, it is time to go.
>>>
>>>Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while
>>>the elevator
>>> rises...
>>>
>>>The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on
>>>heaven where St.
>>> Peter is waiting for him.
>>>
>>>"Now it's time to visit heaven."
>>>
>>>So, 24 hours pass with the senator joining a group of
>>>contented souls
>>> moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and
>>>singing. They have a
>>> good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours
>>>have gone by and St.
>>> Peter returns.
>>>
>>>"Well then, you've spent a day in hell and another in
>>>heaven. Now choose your eternity."
>>>
>>>The senator reflects for a minute, then he answers:
>>>"Well, I would
>>> never have said it before, I mean heaven has been
>>>delightful, but I think
>>> I would be better off in hell."
>>>
>>>So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes
>>>down, down, down to hell.
>>>
>>>Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the
>>>middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.
>>>
>>>He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up
>>>the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from
>>>above.
>>>
>>>The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around
>>>his shoulder. "I don't understand," stammers the senator. "Yesterday
>>>I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate
>>>lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now
>>>there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
>>>What happened?"
>>>
>>>The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday we
>>>were campaigning...... Today you voted."
>>>
>>
>so you'e not the lazy sob we thought you were...yet another crack in
the old belief system appears...sigh...sooooo congrats...

On 23 Feb 2008 12:02:24 +1000, "Louis Guarino Jr." <kateeba@snet.net>
wrote:

>
>Wow! After a long, long time, I finally got my 2nd CD finished and made.
> It was recorded entirely in Paris, and mastered entirely in Paris by our
>own Sakis. It is called, "Images of Mo

Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com

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Re: Gantt's Dilemma (was: interesting David Byrne article) [message #93923 is a reply to message #93866]

Sun, 23 December 2007 16:16

Sarah

Messages: 608
Registered: February 2007

Senior Member

/> >>apple? Added to that the Jobs li(n)e by li(n)e <-bad pun #1> that was =
>>pushed on the public (*).=20
>>
>>It ain't like I'm saying MS is ethical - they're not, either - but the =
>>only thing keeping Apple from being the same ugly foul hairy beast is =
>>financial firepower. Gates lies about how great Vista is. It's a turd. =
>>Jobs lied about how great Motorola chips were. They were turds. Gates =
>>forces you as a business to buy office/OS's through each planned =
>>obsolescene upgrade. Jobs tells you to think you're safe from virii as =
>>an ad campaign and tells you how Mac runs office 'just as well as a PC'.
> =
>>but fails to mention it's OLD version of office, years old in fact. =
>>There are 60 known virii in the wild for Mac, but you won't hear about =
>>that from Jobs/Apple. =20
>>
>>Apple Ads, speaking of....PC's are cold and harsh and only good at =
>>office apps, 'eh? Somebody should tell that to all the video and audio =
>>guys that make wonderful art every single day on a windows PC, because =
>>they didn't get the memo. I will say that iLife and GarageBand are =
>>pretty cool, though not pro of course. I have 2 macs at my avail at =
>>work, and several PC's. Frankly, they both tick me off from time to time
> =
>>but the Win boxes see more use and tick me off a whole lot less. Nothing
> =
>>like plugging in a KVM and having your Mac reach an unrecoverable error
> =
>>and forced shutdown because it doesn't like the KVM. Every time. But not
> =
>>being the latest OS I can't get support for it w/o buying some more =
>>"apple care", and Belkin had no idea what would cause it, nor my vendor.
> =
>> I had been considering a Mini for personal use (with boot camp of =
>>course), but that kinda gotcha rather cinched the "think I'll pass for =
>>now" for me. MacOS-x 10.29 on dual procs, and it's a foot prop under my
> =
>>desk now. At least it doesn't crash that way and it's more ergonomic for
> =
>>my peds, heh... I get a warm fuzzy and smirk when my feet hit it :>
>>
>>(*) Apple is so much faster, Apple is so much more interesting, Apple is
> =
>>so much better at.... er, .... hey, it's the new and improved Apple now
> =
>>with INTEL hardware (IE, that's called a PC Steve-O, and no amount of =
>>backpeddling will cover the fact that you were lying through your teeth
> =
>>about how much faster Motorola's I'd-rather-be-in-a-cell-phone chips =
>>were over INTEL) and it's so much better than , uh.. running windows =
>>(can't say PC anymore at this point)! Er, wait.. now you can run Windows
> =
>>on your Apple! (which I don't have a problem with, in fact I applaud =
>>that one but don't you think that's rather odd for Apple to say bad =
>>windows, bad windows.. hey, you can now run windows?) I also give major
> =
>>points to that dually quicksilver being WAY cleanly designed inside. =
>>Superb visual build inside the box. Too bad it's an ergonomic foot =
>>device now.=20
>>
>>You talked about MS stealing the macOS software GUI. Ok, where did Apple
> =
>>get their code base from for OS-X? Can't see the worm in both apples, =
>>'eh? <-yes, that was bad pun #2.... but I am a punny guy!>
>>
>>They screwed you as a clone seller even and still you deny. Horse, =
>>water, no drinky. You're probably thinking the same thing about the =
>>majority here. In all seriousness, I'm glad you have enjoyed your =
>>relationships with Mac, I cannot report the same, unfortunately. I =
>>absolutely adore my iPOD though, and although iPhone is tre' cool, it's
> =
>>not cutting it with me on the tech end so it's off the list of 'to buy'.
> =
>>I also thought that the Cinema Display was about the most beautiful =

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Re: Gantt's Dilemma (was: interesting David Byrne article) [message #93925 is a reply to message #93923]

Sun, 23 December 2007 17:29

Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006

Senior Member

/> >>> TCB
>>>=20
>>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Deej" <noway@jose.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>news:47bba823$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, can you give me a legitimate example of Apple buying market =
>>share?
>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>How about the time the pulled the OS licensing from PowerComputing =
>>and
>>> UMaxx
>>>>
>>>>>and closed two entire companies and threw all those folks out of =
>>work.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Deej since you mentioned PowerComputing,there are a few things that =
>>should
>>>>be noted. As I've said, the cloners ate in to Apple's sales. The =
>>clones
>>>>advertised mainly in Mac publications to Mac users, If they had =
>>advertised
>>>>in PC publications and did other forms of advertising to non Mac users
> =
>>they
>>>>would have grown the market. They didn't, they cherry picked Apple =
>>sales.
>>>> One such famous incident was when PowerComputing was directly =
>>competing
>>>>with Apple by selling 3000 clones to Apple's long time customer =
>>Lockheed
>>>>Martin, that didn't go over to well. PowerComputing also worked a =
>>deal
>>> with
>>>>IBM to get the fastest PowerPC processors before Apple could, this =
>>further
>>>>cost Apple sales.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Jobs went to all the cloners and tried to renegotiate the =
>>licensing
>>>>prices, the cloners wouldn't hear of it, so Apple did not renew the =
>>licensing
>>>>with Mac OS 8. Apple did not pull the licensing. The cloners could =
>>still
>>>>build systems and ship them with Mac OS 7.6 installed, and bundled OS
> =
>>8,
>>>>they chose not to. PowerComputing announced after that, that they =
>>were
>>> going
>>>>to start building PCs, which I think they did for a short time. In =
>>the
>>> end,
>>>>Apple bought out PowerComputing for 100 million dollars in Apple =
>>stock.
>>>=20
>>>>I think that was pretty generous of Apple. I believe it was up to =
>>Kahng
>>>>to take care of his workers from there.
>>>>
>>>>As far as UMAX, they continued on for years building scanners and =
>>other
>>> products
>>>>as they did before they made clones.
>>>
>>
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>><DIV>We'll just have to disagree about it I guess. I
> =
>>still like=20
>>ya and I think you're a cool dude, just a bit misguided :) I find =
>>nothing=20
>>ethical in the things I've posted about so far and you could post the =
>>same kind=20
>>of things about MS and we'd see that together. But not the mighty blue =
>>apple?=20
>>Added to that the Jobs li(n)e by li(n)e <-bad pun #1> that was =
>>pushed on=20
>>the public (*). </DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV>It ain't like I'm saying MS is ethical - they're
> =
>>not,=20
>>either - but the only thing keeping Apple from being the same ugly =
>>foul=20
>>hairy beast is financial firepower. Gates lies about how great Vista is.
> =
>>It's a=20
>>turd. Jobs lied about how great Motorola chips were. They were turds. =
>>Gates=20
>>forces you as a business to buy office/OS's through each planned =
>>obsolescene=20
>>upgrade. Jobs tells you to think you're =
>>safe from=2

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