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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #74976 is a reply to message #74844] |
Fri, 27 October 2006 16:20   |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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gt; I can't for the life of me figure out how to get external FX set up in
>Cubase/Creamware but I'll get it figured out.soon............I need to get
>the 16 analog I/O and 4 x stereo pair of ADAT I/O configured for mono and
>stereo external insert and send FX.
>
>;o)
>
Are you doing final summing primarily in Paris or in Creamware?
GeneWell, it's been a long time since I've been here, and unfortunately, I no
longer have my PARIS system.
(Hopefully this will be remedied... Some day.) Anyways, I have this old SCSI
drive with tons of unfinished work on it, and I thought I'd like to hear
some of the 3-year-old mixdowns. Problem is, I have a brand new computer,
and even when I called IBM for a termonology refresher so I could get this
drive working, they said that I was using some "pretty old technology" and
that it was "almost obsolete." Wha? A 15k SCSI drive is that tired? Anyways,
I'm not very technically inclined nowadays, as I lose any abilities that I
don't nurture. So I may have a hard time giving correct information in the
matter, but I'm sure someone here knows what's up. Here's the problem.
I have an IBM Ultrastar 36Z15 Drive, model# ic35l036ucpr15-0.
This is the 36.7 GB, 15,000 RPM unit.
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #74988 is a reply to message #74981] |
Fri, 27 October 2006 20:16 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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>
I see now, that even with great multi-core processors, theres nothing like
a dedeicaed DSP based DAW. Sorry Native guys and gals, but it's true.. Yes,
you can ge the job done, but there's always workarounds and the likes..
When I found ou that Fairlight was in fact using Scope based plugins for
their core plugins, that sealed the deal. In fact, the old Fairlight DSP
system (DREAM 1) was based on the scope pro 15 dsp's..
But, now with their new Crystal core technology, they can now sel a rig that's
half the cost and 20 times the power..
To say that I'm jacked is an understatement. Along with the DreamII rig,
I'll have a Dual Opteron PC + Magma for rewired apps(acid), Giga, Neundo..All
jacked into the Dream II Core..
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>La Mont,
>
>I'm playing back a 40 track project interfacing the Pulsar ADAT with Paris
>ADAT. It's very stable and sounds friggin incredible.
>
>I'm still working out a few routing FU's that I seem to have created. Also,
>I'm not entirely happy with the Pulsar midi routing to/from my digipatch
>digital patchbay. It's got me bamboozled right now but other than that,
I
>think I'm going to hold off on the Fairlight for a while. this thing sounds
>great and so far is extremely stable.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Deej
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:455dd1e3$1@linux...
>>
>> Well, I've been on my search for another DSP professional solution. My
>search
>> for the ultimate Paris replacement has sent looking at :
>>
>> 1
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #74995 is a reply to message #74989] |
Fri, 27 October 2006 22:04 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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gt;
>>>> Well, I've been on my search for another DSP professional solution.
My
>>> search
>>>> for the ultimate Paris replacement has sent looking at :
>>>>
>>>> 1) Soundscape system
>>>> 2) Pro Tools HD-3 With Dcommand Controller
>>>> 3) Nuendo3-With Euphonix MC5
>>>> 4) Fairlight Crysltal Core Setup/ Constellation XT
>>>> 5) Scope II Platform..
>>>>
>>>> Well, it's looking like the Fairlight solution is winnning and is the
>>> future
>>>> of DSP DAW.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the videos and let me know what you guys think..
>>>>
>>>> http://img3.harmony-central.com/Video/aes121/Fairlight_CC-1. mp4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>John, try a few TV stations in your market - call their
production manager & ask what they'd charge to transfer some
stuff for you... it's tough to find a TV station that doesn't
have an Avid system of some type.
Neil
John <nosp@m.com> wrote:
>I'm out of luck there. I'm pretty much out of the recording industry
>loop. I'm in a small, new town, and I don't know anyone yet. I guess I
>could call some computer techs and see if they can transfer to a RAID
>drive for me.
>
>Martin Harrington wrote:
>> John,
>> If you know anyone that has an "old" AVID video editing system, see if
you
>> can hook the drive up to their system, and copy the files to their newer
>> drives which are most probably IDE, and get them to burn a DVD or the
like.
>> Never know, it may work."LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>I know this is an investement, but I've made up my mide to drop over 30k
>for a rig 2 years ago.
OK, Lamont... then that means no more accusations from you in
any political threads that I'm "rich" and you're "lower middle-
class", 'cause I sure as hell can't afford to drop $30k into MY
recording rig!
:D
NeilHey..they'll let anyone get into debt..This is America.. :)
Seriously. James McC was and is right. Most o fthese comapnies are not into
selling nor providing a "total" professional sudio solution. They are into
nickle and diming all of us o spending way over 30-40 oreven 50k when it's
all said and done.
I saw this happening with the PC upgrade phenomina. Look how much it cost
to beuild(last year) a dual/dual core Opteron DAW$$Cha ching..$$$ Then, converters,
plugins, clocks..and on and on..
A person can end up spending a lot of money nickle and diming their way to
their dream setup. It just seemed "more expensive to shell out the big buck
at the fron end, versus, getting "cherry" Picked every 6 months. I know that
I have spent over 6k in DAW upgrades just this year alone!!! ENOUGH!!
Like my wife says, Either your going for the 35k Protool/Control 24 rig(HD3
Acell) or the Euphonics /Neundo Setup or the Fairlight setup.. But, she think
it's stupid(for me) to keep throwing money on faster PCs and not having a
great control surface to boot..
I make no excuse in saying that I need Eye Candy in my studio. I have found
that along with proving a great mix, people pay for Eye Candy..More to the
point, they pay for faders!!! :) Faders and big (19inch and above) video
monitors..
When you're asking for client to part with cash for their project, you have
to provide someting different than what they already have. Most everyone
has some kind of DAW..So, to say I'm using Paris, Pro Tools LE, Cubase or
even Logic and Nuendo, does not easily impress.. BUT, when they see over
32 faders..lights, big monitors and Great sound...Money comes.. :)
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>I know this is an investement, but I've made up my mide to drop over 30k
>>for a rig 2 years ago.
>
>OK, Lamont... then that means no more accusations from you in
>any political threads that I'm "rich" and you're "lower middle-
>class", 'cause I sure as hell can't afford to drop $30k into MY
>recording rig!
>
>:D
>
>NeilUmmm, how do determin this? Unfamiliar....
Jimmy
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:455e10ff@linux...
> Are you set up as standard PC or ACPI?
>
> David.
>
> Uptown Jimmy wrote:
> > Howdy! Long time no talky, as I've been a busy boy.
> >
> > You may remember that I was having those classic Paris feeze-ups due to
IRQ
> > sharing, with 4 EDS cards in a new Asus motherboard with 4 PCI slots.
> >
> > Finally got in touch with Asus, and they informed me that IRQ
assignments
> > are commandeered completely by Windows XP, a statement born out by
> > Microsoft's "knowledge base".
> >
> > So, I'm unwilling to disable USB except as a last-resort. USB IRQ
sharing
> > was a likely suspect as I remember...
> >
> > What are my options? Just tediously try 2 and 3 card systems in various
PCI
> > slots until I come up gold? Try to weed through the Windows IRQ
assignment
> > slists and glean some sort of way forward?
> >
> > I'm pretty lost here. I need at least a 3-card system...
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >Where are you getting a Constellation for $35k? I thought they started at
$110k?
Dedric
On 11/19/06 12:08 PM, in article 45609d87$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Hey..they'll let anyone get into debt..This is America.. :)
>
> Seriously. James McC was and is right. Most o fthese comapnies are not into
> selling nor providing a "total" professional sudio solution. They are into
> nickle and diming all of us o spending way over 30-40 oreven 50k when it's
> all said and done.
>
> I saw this happening with the PC upgrade phenomina. Look how much it cost
> to beuild(last year) a dual/dual core Opteron DAW$$Cha ching..$$$ Then,
> converters,
> plugins, clocks..and on and on..
> A person can end up spending a lot of money nickle and diming their way to
> their dream setup. It just seemed "more expensive to shell out the big buck
> at the fron end, versus, getting "cherry" Picked every 6 months. I know that
> I have spent over 6k in DAW upgrades just this year alone!!! ENOUGH!!
>
> Like my wife says, Either your going for the 35k Protool/Control 24 rig(HD3
> Acell) or the Euphonics /Neundo Setup or the Fairlight setup.. But, she think
> it's stupid(for me) to keep throwing money on faster PCs and not having a
> great control surface to boot..
>
> I make no excuse in saying that I need Eye Candy in my studio. I have found
> that along with proving a great mix, people pay for Eye Candy..More to the
> point, they pay for faders!!! :) Faders and big (19inch and above) video
> monitors..
> When you're asking for client to part
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #74998 is a reply to message #74995] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 02:51 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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lt;jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I know this is an investement, but I've made up my mide to drop over
30k
>>>> for a rig 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> OK, Lamont... then that means no more accusations from you in
>>> any political threads that I'm "rich" and you're "lower middle-
>>> class", 'cause I sure as hell can't afford to drop $30k into MY
>>> recording rig!
>>>
>>> :D
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>I have to say, the stability you describe is _precisely_ what I wouldn't expect.
I'm going to take one last look at other options and probably pick up the
Scope Pro card. In theory that might decrease the likelihood I'll have problems
like you're having with those funny cables. Then, John Bowen synths . .
.
TCB
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>I just got the A16U happening. Nice converter. Don't have enough hours on
it
>to compare it to anything but it's not muddy sounding to my ears. I'm
>interfacing by ZLink. One glitch that I've hit here is that I'm out of
>resources in the Creamware environment. The DSP meter shows only about 1/3
>of the resources of the `15 DSP chips I've got here to be used, This isn't
a
>huge issue as I've got 4 x UAD-1 cards that aren't even breathing hard,
I've
>got a lot of stuff happening in the Creamware environment and I have a
>feeling that one reason for this resource situation is because I'm running
a
>rather unorthodox STDM cable from the first card to the other two and this
>may actually be restricting what I'm able to allocate. This cable is 24"
>long whereas a normal cable span is 4". Due to this, the system won't let
me
>patch any more stuff, but I've got my patching accomplished to do what I
>need. Once I get my hands on another 13 slot Magma, this issue will likely
>go away.
>
>Stable Thad.......as in stable like Paris can be when not abused and made
to
>perform unnatural acts. That's something I've never really felt with a
>native platform.
>
>;o)
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:455fb6b8$1@linux...
>>
>> Aw crikey, another $2k out the window. Why couldn't you say it really
>sucks?
>> You're not even a synth guy and you like it that much.
>>
>> Now we're just down to getting ADAT I/O or Z-link. Not a big deal for
>someone
>> who doesn't record a lot of live instruments, I guess, but I think one
of
>> the 14 DSP cards is in the very near future.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >I've got everything happening as I had hoped so far. The RME ADI4 DD
is
>> >interfaced with the AES I/O of my hardware reverbs, bussing through the
>> >Scope mixer and returning to 4 x Paris auxes on Mec 4. this is exactly
>what
>> >I had envisioned when I went crazy and decided to jump into this feet
>> >first......and it's drop dead./rock solid stable.as in dedicated hardware
>> >DSP based stable. I'm very impressed so far.
>> >
>> >The only thing I have yet to do is to patch external hardware across
the
>> >inserts in Cubase using the A16U AD/DA converter. Once I've got that
>> >working, I'll be a happy camper. That's going to happen either later
>tonight
>> >or tomorrow.
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>> >Deej
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>That's list for a 5 BAY SETUP.I',m looking at a 3 bay setup..I stated 35 as
a starting point..But since the CC1 card things have come down a lot.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Where are you getting a Constellation for $35k? I thought they started
at
>$110k?
>
>Dedric
>
>On 11/19/06 12:08 PM, in article 45609d87$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey..they'll let anyone get into debt..This is America.. :)
>>
>> Seriously. James McC was and is right. Most o fthese comapnies are not
into
>> selling nor providing a "total" professional sudio solution. They are
into
>> nickle and diming all of us o spending way over 30-40 oreven 50k when
it's
>> all said and done.
>>
>> I saw this happening with the PC upgrade phenomina. Look how much it cost
>> to beuild(last year) a dual/dual core Opteron DAW$$Cha ching..$$$ Then,
>> converters,
>> plugins, clocks..and on and on..
>> A person can end up spending a lot of money nickle and diming their way
to
>> their dream setup. It just seemed "more expensive to shell out the big
buck
>> at the fron end, versus, getting "cherry" Picked every 6 months. I know
that
>> I have spent over 6k in DAW upgrades just this year alone!!! ENOUGH!!
>>
>> Like my wife says, Either your going for the 35k Protool/Control 24 rig(HD3
>> Acell) or the Euphonics /Neundo Setup or the Fairlight setup.. But, she
think
>> it's stupid(for me) to keep throwing money on faster PCs and not having
a
>> great control surface to boot..
>>
>> I make no excuse in saying that I need Eye Candy in my studio. I have
found
>> that along with proving a great mix, people pay for Eye Candy..More to
the
>> point, they pay for faders!!! :) Faders and big (19inch and above) video
>> monitors..
>> When you're asking for client to part with cash for their project, you
have
>> to provide someting different than what they already have. Most everyone
>> has some kind of DAW..So, to say I'm using Paris, Pro Tools LE, Cubase
or
>> even Logic and Nuendo, does not easily impress.. BUT, when they see over
>> 32 faders..lights, big monitors and Great sound...Money comes.. :)
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I know this is an investement, but I've made up my mide to drop over
30k
>>>> for a rig 2 years ago.
>>>
>>> OK, Lamont... then that means no more accusations from you in
>>> any political threads that I'm "rich" and you're "lower middle-
>>> class", 'cause I sure as hell can't afford to drop $30k into MY
>>> recording rig!
>>>
>>> :D
>>>
>>> Neil
>>
>Hi Thad,
I'm working with Ali @ Creamware on a PARIS group buy :)
Should have pricing worked out by Monday.
Morgan :)
TCB wrote:
> I have to say, the stability you describe is _precisely_ what I wouldn't expect.
>
>
> I'm going to take one last look at other options and probably pick up the
> Scope Pro card. In theory that might decrease the likelihood I'll have problems
> like you're having with those funny cables. Then, John Bowen synths . .
>
>
> TCB
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>
>>I just got the A16U happening. Nice converter. Don't have enough hours on
>
> it
>
>>to compare it to anything but it's not muddy sounding to my ears. I'm
>>interfacing by ZLink. One glitch that I've hit here is that I'm out of
>>resources in the Creamware environment. The DSP meter shows only about 1/3
>>of the resources of the `15 DSP chips I've got here to be used, This isn't
>
> a
>
>>huge issue as I've got 4 x UAD-1 cards that aren't even breathing hard,
>
> I've
>
>>got a lot of stuff happening in the Creamware environment and I have a
>>feeling that one reason for this resource situation is because I'm running
>
> a
>
>>rather unorthodox STDM cable from the first card to the other two and this
>>may actually be restricting what I'm able to allocate. This cable is 24"
>>long whereas a normal cable span is 4". Due to this, the system won't let
>
> me
>
>>patch any more stuff, but I've got my patching accomplished to do what I
>>need. Once I get my hands on another 13 slot Magma, this issue will likely
>>go away.
>>
>>Stable Thad.......as in stable like Paris can be when not abused and made
>
> to
>
>>perform
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #75000 is a reply to message #74995] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 03:25 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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; >>I just got the A16U happening. Nice converter. Don't have enough hours
on
> >
> > it
> >
> >>to compare it to anything but it's not muddy sounding to my ears. I'm
> >>interfacing by ZLink. One glitch that I've hit here is that I'm out of
> >>resources in the Creamware environment. The DSP meter shows only about
1/3
> >>of the resources of the `15 DSP chips I've got here to be used, This
isn't
> >
> > a
> >
> >>huge issue as I've got 4 x UAD-1 cards that aren't even breathing hard,
> >
> > I've
> >
> >>got a lot of stuff happening in the Creamware environment and I have a
> >>feeling that one reason for this resource situation is because I'm
running
> >
> > a
> >
> >>rather unorthodox STDM cable from the first card to the other two and
this
> >>may actually be restricting what I'm able to allocate. This cable is 24"
> >>long whereas a normal cable span is 4". Due to this, the system won't
let
> >
> > me
> >
> >>patch any more stuff, but I've got my patching accomplished to do what I
> >>need. Once I get my hands on another 13 slot Magma, this issue will
likely
> >>go away.
> >>
> >>Stable Thad.......as in stable like Paris can be when not abused and
made
> >
> > to
> >
> >>perform unnatural acts. That's something I've never really felt with a
> >>native platform.
> >>
> >>;o)
> >>
> >>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:455fb6b8$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Aw crikey, another $2k out the window. Why couldn't you say it really
> >>
> >>sucks?
> >>
> >>>You're not even a synth guy and you like it that much.
> >>>
> >>>Now we're just down to getting ADAT I/O or Z-link. Not a big deal for
> >>
> >>someone
> >>
> >>>who doesn't record a lot of live instruments, I guess, but I think one
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>the 14 DSP cards is in the very near future.
> >>>
> >>>TCB
> >>>
> >>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>I've got everything happening as I had hoped so far. The RME ADI4 DD
> >
> > is
> >
> >>>>interfaced with the AES I/O of my hardware reverbs, bussing through
the
> >>>>Scope mixer and returning to 4 x Paris auxes on Mec 4. this is exactly
> >>
> >>what
> >>
> >>>>I had envisioned when I went crazy and decided to jump into this feet
> >>>>first......and it's drop dead./rock solid stable.as in dedicated
hardware
> >>>>DSP based stable. I'm very impressed so far.
> >>>>
> >>>>The only thing I have yet to do is to patch external hardware across
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>>inserts in Cubase using the A16U AD/DA converter. Once I've got that
> >>>>working, I'll be a happy camper. That's going to happen either later
> >>
> >>tonight
> >>
> >>>>or tomorrow.
> >>>>
> >>>>Deej
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>Deej
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
>Hi Thad,
>
>I'm working with Ali @ Creamware on a PARIS group buy :)
>Should have pricing worked out by Monday.
Crap, I shoulda waited.
NeilDon't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
;o)
"Neil" <ARRGH@ARRGH.com> wrote in message news:4560e04e$1@linux...
>
> Morgan <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote:
> >Hi Thad,
> >
> >I'm working with Ali @ Creamware on a PARIS group buy :)
> >Should have pricing worked out by Monday.
>
> Crap, I shoulda waited.
>
> Neil"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>Don't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
One card had better do the trick... I can't afford more cards!
My gearsluttishness has reached new precedents already...
I may have to sell some of my less-utilized stuff to cover what
I've already bought!
Neil...but you're still gonna want more cards.....
;o)
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4560f252$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
> >Don't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
>
> One card had better do the trick... I can't afford more cards!
>
> My gearsluttishness has reached new precedents already...
> I may have to sell some of my less-utilized stuff to cover what
> I've already bought!
>
> Neil
>
>sweet.
"Morgan" <morganp@ntplx.net> wrote in message news:4560d600@linux...
> Hi Thad,
>
> I'm working with Ali @ Creamware on a PARIS group buy :)
> Should have pricing worked out by Monday.
>
> Morgan :)
>
>
> TCB wrote:
>> I have to say, the stability you describe is _precisely_ what I wouldn't
>> expect.
>>
>>
>> I'm going to take one last look at other options and probably pick up the
>> Scope Pro card. In theory that might decrease the likelihood I'll have
>> problems
>> like you're having with those funny cables. Then, John Bowen synths . .
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>
>>>I just got the A16U happening. Nice converter. Don't have enough hours on
>>
>> it
>>
>>>to compare it to anything but it's not muddy sounding to my ears. I'm
>>>interfacing by ZLink. One glitch that I've hit here is that I'm out of
>>>resources in the Creamware environment. The DSP meter shows only about
>>>1/3
>>>of the resources of the `15 DSP chips I've got here to be used, This
>>>isn't
>>
>> a
>>
>>>huge issue as I've got 4 x UAD-1 cards that aren't even breathing hard,
>>
>> I've
>>
>>>got a lot of stuff happening in the Creamware environment and I have a
>>>feeling that one reason for this resource situation is because I'm
>>>running
>>
>> a
>>
>>>rather unorthodox STDM cable from the first card to the other two and
>>>this
>>>may actually be restricting what I'm able to allocate. This cable is 24"
>>>long whereas a normal cable span is 4". Due to this, the system won't let
>>
>> me
>>
>>>patch any more stuff, but I've got my patching accomplished to do what I
>>>need. Once I get my hands on another 13 slot Magma, this issue will
>>>likely
>>>go away.
>>>
>>>Stable Thad.......as in stable like Paris can be when not abused and made
>>
>> to
>>
>>>perform unnatural acts. That's something I've never really felt with a
>>>native plat
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #75008 is a reply to message #74995] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 07:47 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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ailto:dterry@keyofd.net..." target="_blank">dterry@keyofd.net...
>
>>Thanks Thad and DJ - that's what I've considered it for over the years - a
>>synth card mainly. Good to hear that kind of recommendation. While I
>
> would
>
>>love to fill the room with some hardware synths, this sounds more
>
> practical
>
>>to augment the softsynth library at some point, as long as Creamware lasts
>
> a
>
>>bit longer than Paris or Lexicon's Studio 12T, etc.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 11/19/06 8:26 PM, in article 4561126a$1@linux, "TCB"
>
> <nobody@ishere.com>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Different things for different people. Deej is getting ungodly stability
>
> with
>
>>>it mostly as a mixer/ADAT interface in his whacked PARIS/SX rig. For me,
>>>I reviewed a Pulsar computer card way back when and also the Noah synth
>
> just
>
>>>as Home Recording was gasping its last and I had to go get a real job
>
> again.
>
>>>Creamware writes some *superb* sounding synthesizers, though I
>
> understand
>
>>>some of that development team has moved on. It's also a semi-open
>
> platform
>
>>>so third parties have gotten involved as well. As a synth guy, John
>
> Bowen
>
>>>was one of the main people behind the Sequential Circuits synths back in
>>>the day, including the ProphetVS and then after SC was swallowed up by
>
> Korg
>
>>>the Wavestation series, among others. Now he develops for Scope and
>
> sells
>
>>>his stuff at http://www.zargmusic.com/. For me, anyone putting Waldorf
>
> Wave
>
>>>oscillators into a slightly hot-rodded Prophet 5 emulation is pretty
>
> cool,
>
>>>when it's John Bowen that's something like if Bob Moog had decided to
>
> learn
>
>>>to program SHARCs and started another company. Oh, and there's a _sick_
>>>modular
>>>synth that comes with it and a third party package of modules that
>
> sounds
>
>>>dreamy as well.
>>>
>>>So for me I expect the Pulsar will be mostly a synth card, plus some
>
> effects,
>
>>>and the UAD will continue to be my 'bread and butter' EQ/Comp card. That
>>>will leave me with native stuff only for really low CPU things like
>
> samplers
>
>>>and Absynth. Sounds like a good rig to me.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>DJ, Neil, Thad, and others - I've only skimmed the thread here and
>
> there
>
>>>so
>>>
>>>>pardon if you've answered this, but what makes the Pulsar system more
>>>>attractive to you than Soundscape or some other DSP system? Just
>
> curious.
>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>On 11/19/06 6:59 PM, in article 4561099d@linux, "DJ"
>
> <nowayjose@dude.net>
>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>..but you're still gonna want more cards.....
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4560f252$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <Report message to a moderator
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #75017 is a reply to message #75011] |
Sat, 28 October 2006 09:43 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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;>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Don't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>One card had better do the trick... I can't afford more cards!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My gearsluttishness has reached new precedents already...
>>>>>>>>I may have to sell some of my less-utilized stuff to cover what
>>>>>>>>I've already bought!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>
>It's a good feeling to get the gear to do what you want rather than the gear
tell you how to work. Stability does count for a lot.
Btw - the Fairlight CC-1 does allow a native front end via 64 virtual (maybe
96) channels routed to the card from any native VST host (e.g. you could use
a VST rack, Reason, etc to run with it). However, the price of general
admission starts at $18,500 with no option to get the $5k card alone to run
with a 3rd party MADI interface - so it's a bit more to start than a
Pulsar/Paris system. Maybe something will break on this next quarter - e.g.
Steinberg providing direct compatibility via the microcode layer in the
CC-1, not just routing to/from via virtual channels.
Regards,
Dedric
On 11/19/06 8:48 PM, in article 4561232c$1@linux, "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net>
wrote:
> I bought my Paris system on November 27 1997. In a few days, that will be 9
> years.so after 9 years I'm stiing here with the workaround that finally does
> everything I want. It's not nearly as elegant as a Fairlight, but it
> probably can do more since it can use a Native front end and VST plugins
> like the UAD-1.
>
> This thing has been running all day and hasn't crashed once. I feel like the
> dust is starting to settle and the realization is setting in that I just won
> a 9 year long battle to achieve what I want in a DAW..but it's kind of a
> bittersweet feeling considering I'm having to use two DAWs.......but I've
> had the scenario working more or less since last Christmas. All I was
> lacking was stability.
>
> Now if this 9 year old Paris system will just hold together.......;o)
>
>
> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C1866D55.5905%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Thanks Thad and DJ - that's what I've considered it for over the years - a
>> synth card mainly. Good to hear that kind of recommendation. While I
> would
>> love to fill the room with some hardware synths, this sounds more
> practical
>> to augment the softsynth library at some point, as long as Creamware lasts
> a
>> bit longer than Paris or Lexicon's Studio 12T, etc.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 11/19/06 8:26 PM, in article 4561126a$1@linux, "TCB"
> <nobody@ishere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Different things for different people. Deej is getting ungodly stability
> with
>>> it mostly as a mixer/ADAT interface in his whacked PARIS/SX rig. For me,
>>> I reviewed a Pulsar computer card way back when and also the Noah synth
> just
>>> as Home Recording was gasping its last and I had to go get a real job
> again.
>>> Creamware writes some *superb* sounding synthesizers, though I
> understand
>>> some of that development team has moved on. It's also a semi-open
> platform
>>> so third parties have gotten involved as well. As a synth guy, John
> Bowen
>>> was one of the main people behind the Sequential Circuits synths back in
>>> the day, including the ProphetVS and then after SC was swallowed up by
> Korg
>>> the Wavestation series, among others. Now he develops for Scope and
> sells
>>> his stuff at http://www.zargmusic.com/. For me, anyone putting Waldorf
> Wave
>>> oscillators into a slightly hot-rodded Prophet 5 emulation is pretty
> cool,
>>> when it's John Bowen that's something like if Bob Moog had decided to
> learn
>>> to program SHARCs and started another company. Oh, and there's a _sick_
>>> modular
>>> synth that comes with it and a third party package of modules that
> sounds
>>> dreamy as well.
>>>
>>> So for me I expect the Pulsar will be mostly a synth card, plus some
> effects,
>>> and the UAD will continue to be my 'bread and butter' EQ/Comp card. That
>>> will leave me with native stuff only for really low CPU things like
> samplers
>>> and Absynth. Sounds like a good rig to me.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> DJ, Neil, Thad, and others - I've only skimmed the thread here and
> there
>>> so
>>>> pardon if you've answered this, but what makes the Pulsar system more
>>>> attractive to you than Soundscape or some other DSP system? Just
> curious.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> On 11/19/06 6:59 PM, in article 4561099d@linux, "DJ"
> <nowayjose@dude.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ..but you're still gonna want more cards.....
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4560f252$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Don't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One card had better do the trick... I can't afford more cards!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My gearsluttishness has reached new precedents already...
>>>>>> I may have to sell some of my less-utilized stuff to cover what
>>>>>> I've already bought!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>I own a Prophet 10, and a pretty nice one. The Creamware Prophet emulation
(I haven't Bowen's slightly updated one) is freakishly close to the original.
And mind you, I think the Native Instruments Prophet sounds really good and
is perfectly acceptable even in productions for release. The native one sounds
great. But the Creamware version sounded very much like I'll bet my Prophet
did the day it left the factory. It's a little brighter, or maybe more present
would be a better term, and it sounds unsurprisingly like there aren't any
cables and mixers and DIs in front of it. But it has that 'speakers are about
to rip' in your face thing that real Prophets always had. This is venturing
deep into the heart of Sequential geekdom, but here is Bowen talking about
the early days of the instrument. Sadly, they don't PLAY them all that much,
but that's one of the guys who will sell you a synth for a pulsar.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=john+bowen
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thanks Thad and DJ - that's what I've considered it for over the years -
a
>synth card mainly. Good to hear that kind of recommendation. While I would
>love to fill the room with some hardware synths, this sounds more practical
>to augment the softsynth library at some point, as long as Creamware lasts
a
>bit longer than Paris or Lexicon's Studio 12T, etc.
>
>Regards,
>Dedric
>
>On 11/19/06 8:26 PM, in article 4561126a$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Different things for different people. Deej is getting ungodly stability
with
>> it mostly as a mixer/ADAT interface in his whacked PARIS/SX rig. For me,
>> I reviewed a Pulsar computer card way back when and also the Noah synth
just
>> as Home Recording was gasping its last and I had to go get a real job
again.
>> Creamware writes some *superb* sounding synthesizers, though I understand
>> some of that development team has moved on. It's also a semi-open platform
>> so third parties have gotten involved as well. As a synth guy, John Bowen
>> was one of the main people behind the Sequential Circuits synths back
in
>> the day, including the ProphetVS and then after SC was swallowed up by
Korg
>> the Wavestation series, among others. Now he develops for Scope and sells
>> his stuff at http://www.zargmusic.com/. For me, anyone putting Waldorf
Wave
>> oscillators into a slightly hot-rodded Prophet 5 emulation is pretty cool,
>> when it's John Bowen that's something like if Bob Moog had decided to
learn
>> to program SHARCs and started another company. Oh, and there's a _sick_
>> modular
>> synth that comes with it and a third party package of modules that sounds
>> dreamy as well.
>>
>> So for me I expect the Pulsar will be mostly a synth card, plus some effects,
>> and the UAD will continue to be my 'bread and butter' EQ/Comp card. That
>> will leave me with native stuff only for really low CPU things like samplers
>> and Absynth. Sounds like a good rig to me.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> DJ, Neil, Thad, and others - I've only skimmed the thread here and there
>> so
>>> pardon if you've answered this, but what makes the Pulsar system more
>>> attractive to you than Soundscape or some other DSP system? Just curious.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> On 11/19/06 6:59 PM, in article 4561099d@linux, "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ..but you're still gonna want more cards.....
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:4560f252$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Don't worry.you're gonna want more cards.
>>>>>
>>>>> One card had better do the trick... I can't afford more cards!
>>>>>
>>>>> My gearsluttishness has reached new precedents already...
>>>>> I may have to sell some of my less-utilized stuff to cover what
>>>>> I've already bought!
>>>>>
>>>>> Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Glad you're liking the DAC-1. That was recommended to me by Mike Claytor. He
brought one up to Durango and we hooked it up and I immediately started
hearing stuff that I had never heard and selling stuff that could live
without to buy one. I haven't regretted it for one minute. It's a great
piece of kit.
Keep in mind that the dual box thing can get pretty expensive. There's a lot
of I/O to buy on both platforms and you will likely end up running Paris on
Win ME. It's not as expensive as a Pro Tools/Fairlight or Soundscape system
by a long shot and you've probably got quite a bit of the infrastructure
already, but the Pulsar cards are not cheap. Sounds like Morgan is gonna try
to help ease the pain.I sure hope the Pulsar cards are as stable for
everyone else as they are for me.
;o).
"Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message news:45612d30@linux...
> I am ready to go to the dual box thing...just a matter of time to set it
> up. By the way, thanks for the recommendation on the DAC1 last
> spring...it's has really healped me hear things.
>
> JH
>
> DJ wrote:
> > I agree that it's hard to be produdctive when you're chasing something
as
> > elusive as stability or a certain functionality. It's a major
distraction to
> > the creative process. I bought the Paris system in 97 because I liked
the
> > sound of it. It just blew me away. I have continued to stick with it for
the
> > same reason. I haven't found anything yet that I like as much. I just
can't
> > live without the Cubase editor and delay compensation these days though.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Jeff hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message
news:456125ec@linux...
> >
> >>Bought mine the first of '99. Still trying to catch up with you ...and
> >>oh yeah, not just be a gear slut, but actually produce something.
> >>
> >>JH
> >>
> >>DJ wrote:
> >>
> >>>I bought my Paris system on November 27 1997. In a few days, that will
> >
> > be 9
> >
> >>>years.so after 9 years I'm stiing here with the workaround that finally
> >
> > does
> >
> >>>everything I want. It's not nearly as elegant as a Fairlight, but it
> >>>probably can do more since it can use a Native front end and VST
plugins
> >>>like the UAD-1.
> >>>
> >>>This thing has been running all day and hasn't crashed once. I feel
like
> >
> > the
> >
> >>>dust is starting to settle and the realization is setting in that I
just
> >
> > won
> >
> >>>a 9 year long battle to achieve what I want in a DAW..but it's kind of
a
> >>>bittersweet feeling considering I'm having to use two DAWs.......but
> >
> > I've
> >
> >>>had the scenario working more or less since last Christmas. All I was
> >>>lacking was stability.
> >>>
> >>>Now if this 9 year old Paris system will just hold together.......;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> >>>news:C1866D55.5905%dterry@keyofd.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Thanks Thad and DJ - that's what I've considered it for over the
years -
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>synth card mainly. Good to hear that kind of recommendation. While I
> >>>
> >>>would
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>love to fill the room with some hardware synths, this sounds more
> >>>
> >>>practical
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>to augment the softsynth library at some point, as long as Creamware
> >
> > lasts
> >
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>bit longer than Paris or Lexicon's Studio 12T, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>Dedric
> >>>>
> >>>>On 11/19/06 8:26 PM, in article 4561126a$1@linux, "TCB"
> >>>
> >>><nobody@ishere.com>
> >>>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Different things for different people. Deej is getting ungodly
> >
> > stability
> >
> >>>with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>it mostly as a mixer/ADAT interface in his whacked PARIS/SX rig. For
> >
> > me,
> >
> >>>>>I reviewed a Pulsar computer card way back when and also the Noah
synth
> >>>
> >>>just
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>as Home Recording was gasping its last and I had to go get a real job
> >>>
> >>>again.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Creamware writes some *superb* sounding synthesizers, though I
> >>>
> >>>understand
> >&
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| Re: cubase mixing levels [message #75217 is a reply to message #75086] |
Tue, 31 October 2006 08:31 |
fernando
Messages: 15
Registered: October 2006
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Junior Member |
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> The
>>>> plugs definitely has character. And the interface is is nice..
>>>>
>>>> However, like most Mac Firewire imlementations, is not very robust even
>
>>>> on
>>>> Dual G5's 2.5 processors..Which kinda negates the whole DSP powered
>>>> thing.
>>>> On the G5, I'd have to say all any of those DSP based units are no more
>
>>>> than
>>>> DONGLES.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know a lot of Mac users are not aware of the fact that to get
>the
>>>> most out of such units, you have to purchase a Separate Fire-wire card.
>
>>>> But,
>>>> unfortunately, most Mac user's go righ into the on-board firewire slot.
>
>>>> Which
>>>> does not yield max performance of any of the DSP plugin units..
>>>>
>>>> My point is this. I feel bad for mac users when they spring for such
>
>>>> products.
>>>> You see performance complaints on user boards that frankly , PC DAW
user
>>>> don't see. Even worse is when your So -called pro magazines review such
>
>>>> units
>>>> witha Mac!!! Yikes... You already know that the review being the ( TC
>
>>>> Powercore,
>>>> UAD, Liquid mix) is not going to go well.
>>>>
>>>> As if these reviewers (All Mac users) are on going to "will" the
>>>> manufactuers
>>>> to make their dsp product perform like they do on a PC.. Not gonna
>>>> happen..
>>>> Frankly, it's really starting to pi
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