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Wed, 04 January 2006 00:31  |
excelav
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Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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ead of it
>being a Midi app with add on audio capabilities.
>
>The folks over at Emagic have balked to make the much needed comsmetic changes,
>as well as, have the slick, cool editing found on the top DAWs.
>I'm not putting down the product,rather just stating as a long-time user
>some of it's shortcomings and changes I and a lotof others like to see.
>
>At this pont, I don't know if Emagic can make it happen. It seems that Apple
>is goin full bore with SOundTrack Pro/Final Cut Pro.. Soundtrack Pro's layout
>and audio engine is where Logic should be. So, maybe we are seeing the future
>of Logic..Ihope so, because until they some wholesale changes, I'm not spening
>another dime on any apple product.
>
>Take care..LaMont
>
>Other users have voice thee same concerns
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>So really, you guys are just complaining about parts of Logic's
>>interface - specifically the environment window? Is that correct?
>>
>>But not the sound, right LaMont? Or do you think there is a problem with
>
>>the way Logic records and plays audio? If so, what steps do you suggest
>
>>to demonstrate a sound problem with Logic 7.1? I'm seriously interested
>
>>in the basis of your criticism of the current Logic 7.1 audio engine.
>>
>>As far as the interface goes, I found that once I got enough of a handle
>
>>on the environment stuff, the rest of the program is reasonably well
>>laid out and easy to work with. But as I alluded to earlier, they could
>
>>knock down the learning curve a bit with some thoughtful design
>>decisions to get some functions out of the environment window, and they
>
>>could improve the visual feedback and layout of the environment window
>>itself. I think the environment window trips up a lot of people.
>>
>>7.1 did improve things somewhat but there's improvement left to do.
>>
>>The mixer and arrange windows are very similar to PARIS, for audio, but
>
>>without the 16 track per window limitation and with the ability to
>>automate everything. And with very nice integration of included and 3rd
>
>>party FX plugins and soft synths.
>>
>>You're right that the soft synths are useful but I think it's
>>overstating things to dismiss the rest of the program. The audio
>>recording is straightforward and the fx include a fairly complete set of
>
>>very useful tools right out of the box.
>>
>>There is a learning curve with the environment which they could indeed
>>improve. But once you get past that, and get hip to the long-click
>>thing, for me Logic hasn't been any slower to get around than PARIS. Get
>
>>down with your bad self on some keyboard commands, Shuttle Pro or a
>>remote fader/shuttle setup and it's probably faster than PARIS.
>>
>>IOW not slow at all, IMO.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> You nailed my thoughts exactly about Logic..Great Virtual instruments..LAD
>>>
>>> "Bill Lorentzen" <bill@lorentzen.ws> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I used Logic a bit last year and found it to be very slow in some areas
>>>
>>> like
>>>
>>>>the mixer/environment. Making adjustments to the GUI takes a lot of time
>>>
>>> But
>>>
>>>>it has great synths!
>>>>Bill
>>>>
>>>>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:43ceeea7$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>You might find this useful: Sample accurate editing is there in Logic's
>>>
>>>
>>>>>waveform editor, including "show as sample and hold" to see the individual
>>>
>>>
>>>>>bit values represented. Not sure when that was added.
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you mean by "sleek and fast"? Do you mean the interface design?
>>>
>>> It
>>>
>>>>>seems reasonably CPU efficient already.
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you have any complaints about the sound?
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the interface could be improved in some areas. Long-clicking
>
>>>>>instead of right-clicking is old baggage. The environment window needs
>>>
>>>
>>>>>attention, and Logic could require it less.
>>>>>
>>>>>But version 7 was a good step toward cleaning up the GUI. As it works
>>>
>>> now,
>>>
>>>>>many parts of the interface are very fast and put useful info where
you
>>>
>>>
>>>>>need to see and interact with it. They finally added the ability to
drag
>>>
>>>
>>>>>or copy plugins from track to track - very PARIS like. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>>I can edit audio with Logic in comparable ways to PARIS, moving regions
>>>
>>>
>>>>>around and adding crossfades within the same track. Again, very fast.
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>>>>Logic's automation is more comprehensive and quick to edit.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Jamie as a current owner of Logic 7 and 5.3 Win, I have been excited
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>Logic's audio recording performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The app is stil the same as when I purchased it back in 1997. Yes,
the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>instruments
>>>>>>are very good, and I still think that Logic's sequencer is in league
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>own. However, while Steingberge re-wrote the entire audio engine in
>
>>>>>>Cubase
>>>>>>SX, Logic and DP is esentially the same app. The audio engine is not
>>>
>>> as
>>>
>>>>>>sleek and fast as is SX/Nuendo PT,or even Paris..No
>>>>>>sample accurate editing. The Logic look is dated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It seems that Apple's Sountrack Pro is going inthe right direction.
>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>only
>>>>>>hope that tey manage to integrate that killer Logic sequencer.. Then,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Appple
>>>>>>will have a killer DAW. Note: Logic's Audio Instruments are steller..
>>>>>>Take care.LAD
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>LaMont, what are your complaints with Logic's audio engine? And are
>you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>talking about Logic Pro 7.1 or an earlier version.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>>>-Jamie
>>>>>>>http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>jef knight wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Apple only? fascists.
>>>>>>>>lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/symphony.php
>>>>>>>>>Wow, jsut when I was making fuss about the Mid-Level DSP(PCI) range
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>non-existence
>>>>>>>>>of this market segment, they anouce this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Logic Audio is nice, but a little dated. Still one of the best midi
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>sequencers,
>>>>>>>>>it audio engine leaves a lot to be desired.
>>>>>>>>>That said, Aplle has new Macs, maybe just maybe they already have
>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>kill
>>>>>>>>>new version of Logic or Sountrack Pro.??? :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If so, thsi could send shock waves thru out the industry. And, I
>must
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>admit
>>>>>>>>>that Dedric's & Thad's theories were right on "Point" about the
"State
>>>>>>
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>New Native DAWS"!! This product proves it big time..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I guess we'll have to wait and see how this namm show goes.. So
far,so
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>good
>>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>>LaMont
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>I was crushed by your response so I slit my wrists. I'm now
dead.........however, more gear is scheduled to arrive today,
;o)
Cheers,
Lazarus
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43cf6bbc$1@linux...
>
> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >kim, with your compassion you would be great model of support at AA
> >meetings. ;o)
>
> OK, so perhaps that wasn't the world's best demonstration of my caring
side...
>
> ...but I'll have you know I'm very caring at the AA meetings. I'm always
> buying people a beer when they need it most! :o)
>
> PS. Moment of morbid seriousness. Sorry Deej if I was a little uncaring.
> I do know how infuriating lack of internet service can be...
>
> Now, where'd I put that beer...
>
> >
> >On 19 Jan 2006 19:25:20 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Well...
> >>
> >>...better your ISP than mine. ;o)
> >>
> >>Cheers,
> >>Kim.
> >>
> >>"Deej" <animixnosrapamus@animas.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I've been carrying on a few offline conversations with folks here and
> I'm
> >>>not sure if I've received any PM's or if you (and you know who *you*
are
> >>>;o) got the last ones I sent. My ISP has been torpedoed somehow and
they
> >>>have been scrambling to get backup servers working for the entire day.
> They
> >>>say that all incoming e-mail should show up once things are back on
track,
> >>>but for now, the whole of animas.net is toast......if anyone has been
> trying
> >>>to ping me, I've been unpingable and have been incapable of
establishing
> >>>contact with the rest of the known universe.
> >>>
> >>>Deej
> >
>Thank you - you have a nice studio too!
My take also was the Mackie and the Dyna's were better but the Truths seemed
hard to beat for the $$. Do they accent the mids? Are you using a sub with
them and how do you find the bass responce (that always seems to be my problem
area)... Thanks again for your help!
"Rob Arsenault" <mani2@NOSPAMnbnet.nb.ca> wrote:
>Rich, im using truths here in my studio. Had em for 2 years, they work good,
>good dB for the $. They do have kind of a strange thing goin on in the mids
>but its manageable once you get to know them. The signal filtering
>capability in the back is kinda cool. I'm due for a change soon thow, so
far
>its the HR 824s or the Dyna's for me.
>
>Rob_A
>www.studiomanitou.com
>
>
>"Rich" <studiodog_99@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43ce6fcf$1@linux...
>>
>> yea I know the "B" company again...
>> I use NS10's with a JBL sub and Alesis power amp now. I'm looking for
>powered
>> monitors that are easier to move between systems as I work on a friends
>system
>> also.
>>
>> I have listened to the Mackies - Dyna 5's, truths (8") and event
>20/20's...
>> The Dyna's were the best (my take) but were like $900 vs 300 for the
>Truths.
>> I have not heard the Yorkvilles mentioned in a post as I could not find
>> a local dealer here but was hoping that someone used the Truths and could
>> let me know what they thought. This is for a project studio (3 card Paris
>> mostly pop/rock) so money is as always a major factor...
>> Thanks in advance this place is awwwsome
>
>what's your address so I can do a quick pickup....hehe
DJ wrote:
> I was crushed by your response so I slit my wrists. I'm now
> dead.........however, more gear is scheduled to arrive today,
>
> ;o)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lazarus
>
> "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:43cf6bbc$1@linux...
>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>kim, with your compassion you would be great model of support at AA
>>>meetings. ;o)
>>
>>OK, so perhaps that wasn't the world's best demonstration of my caring
>
> side...
>
>>...but I'll have you know I'm very caring at the AA meetings. I'm always
>>buying people a beer when they need it most! :o)
>>
>>PS. Moment of morbid seriousness. Sorry Deej if I was a little uncaring.
>>I do know how infuriating lack of internet service can be...
>>
>>Now, where'd I put that beer...
>>
>>
>>>On 19 Jan 2006 19:25:20 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Well...
>>>>
>>>>...better your ISP than mine. ;o)
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>>Kim.
>>>>
>>>>"Deej" <animixnosrapamus@animas.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I've been carrying on a few offline conversations with folks here and
>>
>>I'm
>>
>>>>>not sure if I've received any PM's or if you (and you know who *you*
>
> are
>
>>>>>;o) got the last ones I sent. My ISP has been torpedoed somehow and
>
> they
>
>>>>>have been scrambling to get backup servers working for the entire day.
>>
>>They
>>
>>>>>say that all incoming e-mail should show up once things are back on
>
> track,
>
>>>>>but for now, the whole of animas.net is toast......if anyone has been
>>
>>trying
>>
>>>>>to ping me, I've been unpingable and have been incapable of
>
> establishing
>
>>>>>contact with the rest of the known universe.
>>>>>
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