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Sun, 31 July 2005 15:09  |
Jon Jiles
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>Is anybody using this, http://www.fmjsoft.com/aamain.shtml , or can anyone
recommend a freebie?
Thanks,
CL>Generally, the better the singing & playing, the less time it takes.
Amen.
;o)
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:4322456f@linux...
> Once I get the wav files transferred from RADAR24 to my Paris rig, then
> converted to pafs (this seems to take an eternity), for song demos I
> generally average around two and a half to three hours per song for
comping,
> tuning, editing, automating, etc. If I'm really humping, I can get it
done
> in two, but I generally always have to go back and tweak those quick mixes
> again a time or two, just for my own satisfaction. Things that are artist
> demos, or master stuff, I might take more like four to six hours on.
> Generally, the better the singing & playing, the less time it takes.
>
> CL
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:43221d24$1@linux...
> > So here's a valid question given the topic; with the ubiquitous
> > post-edit-edits during mix, automation moves, no MIDI, moderate number
of
> > plugs or outbaord in play, on hi-end audio projects of greater than say
30
> > tracks, what is an industry acceptable, justifiable maximum number of
> total
> > hours to mix through 2-bus final premaster.
> >
> >
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| Re: Syncing madness- Tracktion2-Dakota-Paris-XPv3 [message #56457 is a reply to message #56456] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 16:19  |
Deej [1]
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W. Mark Wilson
>
>Sorry folks... I was at work on a dim CRT and it's a tiny pic.
Dubya
"uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:432247ef@linux...
> Good lord, son.
>
> It's a joke.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
> "W. Mark Wilson" <wmarkwilson@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:432232b8@linux...
> > What is the supposed date of this picture having been taken?
> >
> > I ask this because according to easily verifiable info elsewhere, it
seems
> > that Bush could not have caught any fish today.
> >
> > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/
> >
> > Dubya
> >
> >
>
>I've heard news reports that the fish are jumping out of the Mississippi
River on to dry land to get away from the pollution caused by the runoff
from the floodwasters. They should have left their poles at home and just
brought gloves and a bucket and scooped up carp, catfish. and mudbugs.
I don't think I'm going to be eating gulf shellfish anytime soon. There's
still an unbelievable amount of fallout to come from this. The more I watch
the coverage of this, the sadder I get.
N.O. was one of my favorite places. I had hoped to show it to my wife
someday. She has never been there and I wanted to take her down to there to
the JazzFestival someday. I'm wondering if it's even feasable to imagine
that ever happening. Even if the fairgrounds is still there,. the
surroundings will be forever altered it seems.
As impractical and impossible as it seems, I really hope the city gets
rebuilt.........with Cat 7 levees this time. I just hope those old
neighborhoods don't turn into sprawling suburbs of modular homes. I had
friends living in some of those shotguns that are under water now. As
saturated as they are, I can't imagine whole neighborhoods of these being
rebuilt, but they were part of the charm and their close proximity to each
other really made for some community ties. When I was living there, people
looked out for each other. It was about as close to family as unrelated
people could get.
Sad.....sad.....sad......
;(
"mike claytor" <MC@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:43222cdd$1@linux...
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> Damn nice fish!Hmmmmm.......I batch individual .paf's in Wavelab across a network. It might
be faster to use this on the Paris DAW and then just burn the to a data CD.
Batch about 700 MB of .paf's and aned let us know......and be sure to back
them up first.
;o)
"Chris Latham" <latham_c@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:432251f6@linux...
> Is anybody using this, http://www.fmjsoft.com/aamain.shtml , or can anyone
> recommend a freebie?
>
> Thanks,
> CL
>
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| Re: Syncing madness- Tracktion2-Dakota-Paris-XPv3 [message #56467 is a reply to message #56457] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 19:39 |
Chris Ludwig
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ndering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that
would
> >result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
> >dither of the bounced mix?
> >
> >I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
> >when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has
already
> >tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
> >
> >Deej
> >
>
> In my setup I absolutely prefer NOT to dither to 20 going to Paris via
ADAT.
> If the final mix is 24 and will be dithered down to 16, you should judge
> the results of the final 16-bit version rather than listening to the 24
bit
> files in Paris. The single application of dither at the final stage seems
> to accomplish the masking without as much noise.
>
> I did try converting the DP files to 20 bit with dither supplied by
Barbabatch
> prior to sending to Paris. This sounded OK, but was a lot of work.
> Gene
>BTW, if you want to give it a try, I'm using the dither algo in this
freeware package.
http://mda.smartelectronix.com/effects.htm
It's VST, it has an audition function and the TPDF can be manually adjusted.
I've got one of these installed as an insert on the final slot on each
channel of my Cubase SX mix template. Uses very few resources and the dither
happens automatically, in real time as the tracks are being bussed from SX
to Paris so there is *per channel* real time dither happening directly
before truncation from 32 to 20 bit.
Regards,
Deej
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43232537$1@linux...
> Thanks Gene. My concern is with the perceptual aspects of the cumulative
> quantization noise as it relates to harshness in the midrange. If I'm
> compensating for that with EQ during the mix, then I may be subtracting
> something I'm going to need later on.
>
> I certainly trust your judgment on this as you've been at it quite a while
> longer than I and I would imagine that this isn't something that is
jumping
> out at you or you would have addressed it.
>
> The cumulative dither really isn't ugly. It's very similar to audible tape
> noise at 30 IPS at the tail of a track when a project has been tracked at
> sufficient levels and there is no noticable audible noise in the quiet
> passages during the song mix.
>
>
> "gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote in message
> news:43232216$1@linux...
> >
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> > >Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my
> bounced
> > >tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
> > >plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization
noise
> > >from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit
to
> > 20
> > >bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris
> 20bit
> > >ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
> > >
> > >My ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a
lot
> > of
> > >critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
> > >wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that
> would
> > >result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
> > >dither of the bounced mix?
> > >
> > >I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on
this
> > >when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has
> already
> > >tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
> > >
> > >Deej
> > >
> >
> > In my setup I absolutely prefer NOT to dither to 20 going to Paris via
> ADAT.
> > If the final mix is 24 and will be dithered down to 16, you should judge
> > the results of the final 16-bit version rather than listening to the 24<
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| Re: Syncing madness- Tracktion2-Dakota-Paris-XPv3 [message #56469 is a reply to message #56457] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 23:41 |
Jon Jiles
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I wouldn't sweat it. I would
definitely opt for the solution that does not add audible
noise to the final mix. If there is one thing I hate, it's
noisy tail!!! ;-)
David.
DJ wrote:
> Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my bounced
> tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
> plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization noise
> from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit to 20
> bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris 20bit
> ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
>
> My ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a lot of
> critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
> wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that would
> result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
> dither of the bounced mix?
>
> I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
> when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has already
> tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
>
> Deej
>
>
>I don't know why you're dithering more than one time, on the
very last step before mastering, in the first place.
Are you gaining anything by this - save for more noise? I mean,
in terms of some kind of sonic quality?
Neil
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my bounced
>tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
>plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization noise
>from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit to
20
>bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris 20bit
>ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
>
>My ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a lot
of
>critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
>wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that would
>result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
>dither of the bounced mix?
>
>I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
>when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has already
>tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
>
>Deej
>
>
>This was the reason for my question. Either way I do, I'm going to have
either cumulative quantization noise or cumulate dither noise because I'm
truncating multiple tracks. If one dithering pass can cure the cumulative
quantization noise, then, if the cumulative quantization isn't so bad that I
feel like I have to start using subtractive EQ in the frequencies where it
is creating harshness, then a single dither would be the ticket if it will
address the *cumulative* quantization noise.
When I get back, I'm going to *undither* the mix template and see what kind
of results I get.
I have found that the Waves IDR seems to yield a nicer result with my
bounces that have cumulative dither noise than the Apogee UV22 that I would
normally use.
Anyway, thanks for your feedback.
"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:432333fb$1@linux...
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> I don't know why you're dithering more than one time, on the
> very last step before mastering, in the first place.
>
> Are you gaining anything by this - save for more noise? I mean,
> in terms of some kind of sonic quality?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my
bounced
> >tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
> >plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization noise
> >from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit to
> 20
> >bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris
20bit
> >ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
> >
> >M
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| Re: Syncing madness- Tracktion2-Dakota-Paris-XPv3 [message #56470 is a reply to message #56467] |
Sun, 31 July 2005 23:48 |
Jon Jiles
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y ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a lot
> of
> >critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
> >wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that
would
> >result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
> >dither of the bounced mix?
> >
> >I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
> >when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has
already
> >tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
> >
> >Deej
> >
> >
> >
>If there is one thing I hate, it's > noisy tail!!! ;-)
Well.........at least you can't smell dither.
;oP
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_nospam_@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:43232cba@linux...
> If the tracks in SX are fairly hot, I would let the transfer
> process truncate them rather than dither. Really, dither
> should be the *last* step in a final master. the full 32
> bit range is only useful if you have passages that almost
> disappear (read classical music). With busier styles of
> music, or higher track counts, the least significant bits
> are buried anyway, so I wouldn't sweat it. I would
> definitely opt for the solution that does not add audible
> noise to the final mix. If there is one thing I hate, it's
> noisy tail!!! ;-)
>
> David.
>
> DJ wrote:
>
> > Due to cumulative dither noise which I am hearing in the tails of my
bounced
> > tracks before I fade them, I have been considering removing the dither
> > plugins from my Cubase channels that are handling the quantization noise
> > from Cubase SX as the channels are individually truncated from 32bit to
20
> > bit when they leave the SX environment and travel throught the Paris
20bit
> > ADAT channels for summing in Paris.
> >
> > My ears will be the final judge of this and I don't have time to do a
lot of
> > critical listening/experimenting with this right now, but I'm just
> > wondering, *in theory*, would the cumulative quantization noise that
would
> > result from the truncation of, say 20 + tracks, be offset by one final
> > dither of the bounced mix?
> >
> > I'm leaving town tomorrow, but willbe glad to be tyhe guinea pig on this
> > when I return next week sometime. I'm just wondering if anyone has
already
> > tried this or wants to hazard a guess based on the science behind it?
> >
> > Deej
> >
> >
> >http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050909/D8CGNUIO0.html
Wow...
This looks like somebody trying to hammer this poor guy Terry by
using the cops and the courts. Welcome to Hollywood mo-fo...
I'm glad the charges were dropped.
DC
And look at that defense attorney? Maybe someone 'round here
is moonlighting eh?[ ] DC... (nutball)
[ ] Dumbya (speaks for itself, smart yet retarded)
[ ] Tyrone (dude is like a tree stump)
[ ] Michael Bliss (dude is just straight delusional)
[ ] rick (dude is actually funny tho)
put an X next to your choice by September 30th
yo moderator... delete this threadYou shouldn't say the "B" word around here, some folks get all ruffled
feathers and stuff but hey, cool idea and very cool price...!!
Rob_A
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message news:4322f9f4@linux...
> There will be out from day to day a new device from Behringer called
> micromixer.
> It will mix 4 mono inputs into one for 24.99 $ each !
> So if you need to to pass 4 auxes from two (up to 4) mecs into 4 headphone
> sends then 4 little devices for 100 $.
> I will definetely go that way.
> Regards,
> Dimitrios
>
>just kidding by the way... you dont have to answer...
PS I meant to include Brandon on that list.... what is that dude like 12?
"cron" <cron@hydrorecords.compound> wrote in message
news:43236564$1@linux...
>[ ] DC... (nutball)
> [ ] Dumbya (speaks for itself, smart yet retarded)
> [ ] Tyrone (dude is like a tree stump)
> [ ] Michael Bliss (dude is just straight delusional)
> [ ] rick (dude is actually funny tho)
>
> put an X next to your choice by September 30th
>
>
>
> yo moderator... delete this thread
>
>
>Why are you getting truncation? is it becasue you're going from
SX into Paris digitally? I've read a few of your posts about
how you have your system set-up, but honestly, without doing
the same thing myself, it's hard for me personally to visualize
what's going going where. If you're getting truncation because
you're going digitally into Paris, have you considered coming
out of SX with a 4-buss analog submix (through your Multif
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| Re: Syncing madness- Tracktion2-Dakota-Paris-XPv3 [message #56540 is a reply to message #56483] |
Tue, 02 August 2005 21:36 |
Jon Jiles
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nada.ZIP</A>=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0154_01C5B794.A9C43C60--1. Well.first of all, it's only about 95 degrees today as compared to 110
like it was three weeks ago.
2. I just discovered that the Three Stooges are big here on Phoenix television.
We don't get the Three Stooges in Durango and I had forgotten how relevant
they are to my world. Back when I was living in Austin, when I had a dilemma,
I could always tune in the Stooges and eventually Curly would show me the
way.
I didn't realize how much I'd missed that.
;oPHi All
I'm posting this for a friend....
I am working with Ghost and it needs to install Microsoft .net framework
files on the system and am concerned about
these files on a DAW.
Has anybody had experience installing the .net framework files on a DAW?
XpPro SP1, 2.4 GHz, 1GB ram.
Installing Ghost 9.0, and it installs these files.
Please email Mike Kay with your replies @ sales@nofrillsfence.com
Thanks
DonBest thing is to work ghost under dos.
There it doesn't need anything.
Just ghostpe.exe.
Create one ghost bootable diskette and boot from there then you can backup
your harddisks and recover of course.
Regards,
Dimitrios
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4325b0b8@linux...
> Hi All
>
> I'm posting this for a friend....
>
> I am working with Ghost and it needs to install Microsoft .net framework
> files on the system and am concerned about
> these files on a DAW.
>
>
> Has anybody had experience installing the .net framework files on a DAW?
>
> XpPro SP1, 2.4 GHz, 1GB ram.
>
> Installing Ghost 9.0, and it installs these files.
>
>
> Please email Mike Kay with your replies @ sales@nofrillsfence.com
>
> Thanks
>
> Don
>
>
>Hey all. This is kinda strange, and wonder if anyone else has experienced
it.
I run a 4-card system with a few MECs. Due to having different
kinds of inputs and outputs on different MECS, I sometimes
switch cards to different submixes. When I do this, the overall
level of the submixes seems to change. Lets say I have 4
submixes going, and the song is reasonable well mixed. I
want to add a new key track on submix 4 using the ADAT outputs
of the keyboard. MEC #2 (off card 2) has ADAT cards, so I switch
card B to submix 4, and card D to submix 2. There is a real
difference in the way the entire mix sounds at this point –
the affected submixes my sounds louder, softer, or just “different” spatially.
Anyone else experienced this?Thanks Steve,forgot to put the link in.
Pete
"Steve E." <parisboy@nospan.ournest.com> wrote:
>Here's a link to the details. A nice thing of Spectrasonics to do, and some
>fun sounds for twenty five buckaroos.
>http://www.spectrasonics.net/neworleans/
>
>Steve E.
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:432318f9$1@linux...
>>
>> Nice little drum loop package with 100% of the money going to
>> Habitat for Humanity.
>>
>> Pete
>
>That's wierd, maybe some one else can chime in, but I've never experienced
that. Your using all EDS submixes, right? No native ones in use?
"deadmeat" <scott@postmodernblues.com> wrote:
>
>Hey all. This is kinda strange, and wonder if anyone else has experienced
>it.
>
>I run a 4-card system with a few MECs. Due to having different
>kinds of inputs and outputs on different MECS, I sometimes
>switch cards to different submixes. When I do this, the overall
>level of the submixes seems to change. Lets say I have 4
>submixes going, and the song is reasonable well mixed. I
>want to add a new key track on submix 4 using the ADAT outputs
>of the keyboard. MEC #2 (off card 2) has ADAT cards, so I switch
>card B to submix 4, and card D to submix 2. There is a real
>difference in the way the entire mix sounds at this point –
>the affected submixes my sounds louder, softer, or just “different” spatially.
>
>
>Anyone else experienced this?
>Nope - no Natives - just EDS "Card" submixes
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>That's wierd, maybe some one else can chime in, but I've never experienced
>that. Your using all EDS submixes, right? No native ones in use?
>"deadmeat" <scott@postmodernblues.com> wrote:
>>
>>Hey all. This is kinda strange, and wonder if anyone else has experienced
>>it.
>>
>>I run a 4-card system with a few MECs. Due to having different
>>kinds of inputs and outputs on different MECS, I sometimes
>>switch cards to different submixes. When I do this, the overall
>>level of the submixes seems to change. Lets say I have 4
>>submixes going, and the song is reasonable well mixed. I
>>want to add a new key track on submix 4 using the ADAT outputs
>>of the keyboard. MEC #2 (off card 2) has ADAT cards, so I switch
>>card B to submix 4, and card D to submix 2. There is a real
>>difference in the way the entire mix sounds at this point –
>>the affected submixes my sounds louder, softer, or just “different” spatially.
>>
>>
>>Anyone else experienced this?
>>
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Yea, my buddy sent me these, man I wish I had gone.
I am not a big Stones fan but my buddy said they put on an amazing show =
2.5h non stop with piros at the end to boot. It was held on what's =
called the papal site, this natural amphitheatre once hosted 150 000 =
people for pope Jean-Paul back in 85 I beleave.
>Some great shots in there!=20
Tom
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