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| I was just wondering... [message #93368] |
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e UK.
I don't really mind, as I hate the things, always problematic, but I do have
many, many thousands of dollars tied up in them.
Interesting times ahead.
Martin Hno doubt about it being interesting times ahead. This will be ugly on many
levels.
AA
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:C3BE355B.3EE4%lendan@bigpond.net.au...
> On 24/1/08 3:37 AM, in article 479770d5@linux, "EK Sound"
> <ask_me@nospam.net> wrote:
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>> The entire 700 MHz band is up for sale. This affects all the wireless
>> manufacturers. Shure has been lobbying quite heavily to prevent this.
>> Even Broadway and Hollywood have gotten into the act. The pro audio
>> industry is so tiny, that it doesn't have the clout to do anything about
>> it. Companies like Verizon (currently a huge problem for RF mics) will
>> probably buy the band. Sennheiser has recently announced that they will
>> only make 700MHz range wireless now by special order. That means they
>> are losing their "C" and "D" wireless ranges.
>>
>> Get ready to buy more mic cable...
>>
>> David.
>>
>> AA wrote:
>>> I heard something yesterday that's probably going to hack me off, and
>>> most
>>> assuredly a LOT of musician's in the states. Apparantly according to one
>>> source once HD tv hits a lot of the UHF band is going to get sold off by
>>> the gov't and turn into a crowded gigantic hash... which will ruin a LOT
>>> of wi
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93373 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 13:46  |
AlexPlasko
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1) Sustain issues: I have no issues with sustain. In fact, the built-in
compressor lets you increase the apparent sustain without fear of feedback.
Note that I'm speaking of the _Acoustic 700_. The one that looks like an
acoustic guitar. That's the one I'm recommending for your described use.
1A) Comparing to the _Electric 700_: Meanwhile the _Electric 700_ (which
I also have) DOES have some sustain issues when you select the Strat
body as part of an emulation, because the Strat they modeled (a 56 or
57?) had less sustain than the Les Paul they modeled. And people noticed
this and complained.
The workaround for the _Electric 700_ Strat is to change the body
selection to one of the other electric body choices. It will still sound
like a Strat because of the pickup emulation setup, but it will have
longer sustain. Works great.
You'll need to have the add-on Workbench software to do this, which also
works great for designing your own hybrid emulations. I set one up to
sound similar to my PRS, for example, on all five pickup selector
positions. Cool stuff.
I think it's hugely confusing that Line 6 gave the number "700" to two
very different guitars. It's possible you were reading reviews for the
wrong 700.
BTW, the _Electric 700_ also does a couple of acoustic sounds. Pretty
well, too, but not as well as the _Acoustic 700_. Probably because the
_Acoustic 700_ has heavier strings a different physical body, different
programming and that handy compressor control. But I have used the
_Electric 700_ on an acoustic gig and people told me they didn't have a
problem with the acoustic sound out front.
However I prefer the _Acoustic 700_ for those gigs because it looks and
feels more like an acoustic, I can lay into the heavier strings more,
and I like the control the built-in compressor gives me. It also has a
better build quality and more frets.
But the Electric makes a good backup for the Acoustic, especially for
shows where I'm going to switch to the Electric for jazz/rock stuff, so
both guitars come along for the ride anyway.
2) Altered tunings: Not perfect. The farther you transpose away from the
original string's note, the less perfect it is. It's OK for transposing
down a half or whole step, which is great for getting a song into a more
comfortable key to sing. It's great for instantly getting to DADGAD or
other alternate tunings for those huge sounding chords, or some open
tuning slide work. It's usable for 12 string emulations where the high
string sounds are still doubled by the original string frequency.
To make it into a bass, it sounds passable an octave down on the bottom
three strings (especially using the nylon emulation), but not so good an
octave down on the top three strings. You can drop any string
individuall
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93378 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 17:22 |
excelav
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ckup emulation setup, but it will have
> longer sustain. Works great.
>
> You'll need to have the add-on Workbench software to do this, which also
> works great for designing your own hybrid emulations. I set one up to
> sound similar to my PRS, for example, on all five pickup selector
> positions. Cool stuff.
>
> I think it's hugely confusing that Line 6 gave the number "700" to two
> very different guitars. It's possible you were reading reviews for the
> wrong 700.
>
> BTW, the _Electric 700_ also does a couple of acoustic sounds. Pretty
> well, too, but not as well as the _Acoustic 700_. Probably because the
> _Acoustic 700_ has heavier strings a different physical body, different
> programming and that handy compressor control. But I have used the
> _Electric 700_ on an acoustic gig and people told me they didn't have a
> problem with the acoustic sound out front.
>
> However I prefer the _Acoustic 700_ for those gigs because it looks and
> feels more like an acoustic, I can lay into the heavier strings more, and
> I like the control the built-in compressor gives me. It also has a better
> build quality and more frets.
>
> But the Electric makes a good backup for the Acoustic, especially for
> shows where I'm going to switch to the Electric for jazz/rock stuff, so
> both guitars come along for the ride anyway.
>
>
> 2) Altered tunings: Not perfect. The farther you transpose away from the
> original string's note, the less perfect it is. It's OK for transposing
> down a half or whole step, which is great for getting a song into a more
> comfortable key to sing. It's great for instantly getting to DADGAD or
> other alternate tunings for those huge sounding chords, or some open
> tuning slide work. It's usable for 12 string emulations where the high
> string sounds are still doubled by the original string frequency.
>
> To make it into a bass, it sounds passable an octave down on the bottom
> three strings (especially using the nylon emulation), but not so good an
> octave down on the top three strings. You can drop any string individually
> so it's easy to set up a patch with a couple of bass strings and the rest
> as normal guitar tuning.
>
> It would sound a little weird if you used the DSP to tune it up an octave
> and play only the detuned sounds alone.
>
> Bottom line, it's good enough for a lot of stuff, and it's instant. None
> of the other guitars you mentioned offer it, so it's just icing on the
> cake. I regularly do live multitracking with a normal
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93380 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 17:55 |
Kim
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lp!) mail-order one. The
>> comment in question comes up frequently in various review databases, and
>> goes along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a significant
>> deficiency in the sustain area (enough to be considered an unacceptable
>> compromise by several reviewers).
>>
>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find
>> such a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as an
>> add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the altered
>> tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>
>> Thanks to all again,
>> Dan
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have
>>> one of those too.
>>>
>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't feed
>>> back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really nice to
>>> use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>
>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing without
>>> waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>
>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that are
>>> bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar and
>>> mandella.
>>>
>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important
>>> for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via DSP).
>>>
>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body. It
>>> plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an acoustic.
>>>
>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of a
>>> risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any other
>>> acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>
>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps, which
>>> is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>
>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It sits
>>> nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling using
>>> different models.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>
>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for any
>>>> potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I don't
>>>> think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a reference,
>>>> the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many luthiers, and the
>>>> ones I do know have a worldwide reputation (and are therefore not
>>>> making guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>
>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the
>>>> Martin OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be incredibly
>>>> ugly, but quite playable, although the action is typical Martin (i.e.
>>>> high action, a guitar that you have to dig in hard). Since I play
>>>> mostly electric, the nice low action of Taylors is appealing to me.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dan
>>Currently Digital Performer is the only app that I know that properly takes
advantage of the 8 processors. Logic, Pro Tools and Nuendo all run better
on a 4-core. This will change soon, but an 8-core requires more RAM before
you see the benefits. Cockos Reaper runs very fast using all 8 processors
under boot camp.
Despite the fact that DP uses all 8 processors correctly, Logic is more efficient
on a 4-core than DP is on an 8-core. Apple should have an update for Logic
soon that properly shows off the power of an 8-core. Digi seems to be in
no hurry to show off the potential of all native power!
I’m still running out of power, even with 8 :-( One reason...I have completely
fallen in love with Flux plugs, but they use up a computer in a hurry.
Gene
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Apple charges 500.00 extra to get an 8-core MP over the 4.
>
>Any real-world advantage for audio use?
>
>TIA
>
>DC
>Most helpful.
thanks Gene.
DC
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@gmnews.com> wrote:
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&g
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93382 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 17:04 |
DJ
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n install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want one
with one built in.
there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
from the VG99.
there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary those.I'm not
crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic models kick ass.
way too much for me to write about now.
and it can be had for around $1000
the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
"D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:47989b01@linux...
> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>
> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out almost
> $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both a decent
> Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a Variax 700
> for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good enough.
>
> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I cannot
> find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one. The comment
> in question comes up frequently in various review databases, and goes
> along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a significant deficiency
> in the sustain area (enough to be considered an unacceptable compromise by
> several reviewers).
>
> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find such
> a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as an add-on
> bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the altered tunings?
> Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>
> Thanks to all again,
> Dan
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>
>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have one
>> of those too.
>>
>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't feed
>> back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really nice to use
>> on fingerpicked songs.
>>
>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing without
>> waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>
>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that are
>> bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar and
>> mandella.
>>
>> It also can do alternate tunin
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93383 is a reply to message #93382] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 19:37 |
john Macy[1]
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gs on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important for
>> shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via DSP).
>>
>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body. It
>> plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an acoustic.
>>
>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of a
>> risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any other
>> acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>
>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps, which is
>> probably why it never feeds back.
>>
>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It sits
>> nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling using
>> different models.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> D.P. wrote:
>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be converging
>>> towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>
>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for any
>>> potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I don't
>>> think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a reference, the
>>> 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many luthiers, and the ones
>>> I do know have a worldwide reputation (and are therefore not making
>>> guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>
>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the Martin
>>> OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be incredibly ugly, but
>>> quite playable, although the action is typical Martin (i.e. high action,
>>> a guitar that you have to dig in hard). Since I play mostly electric,
>>> the nice low action of Taylors is appealing to me.
>>>
>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>
>Ha!
Hey Richard! How are you doing?
Nice to hear from you.
DC
"Richard Zeier" <pearlmusic@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>Sure, you can mix a five minute song in only two-and-a-half minutes.
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:4798d188$1@linux...
>>
>> Apple charges 500.00 extra to get an 8-core MP over the 4.
>>
>> Any real-world advantage for audio use?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
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>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@gmnews.com> wrote:
>Cockos Reaper runs very fast using all 8 processors
>under boot camp.
On the subject of Reaper - you can now get their plugins
in a bundle ported to VST...
http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/
.... and, yep - they're free.
NeilI'm not sure about that - their website has been like that for 6 months or
so. I emailed them back in October, and got a generic, vague response like
"check back with us soon". ?? Maybe some more people need to email them and
ask for it. ?
-Carl
"erlilo" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
news:5ghgp3tgcdbub9mmib529qul4p4vbl2ouq@4ax.com...
> It's coming, soon;-) Look at their new/old homesite.
> http://www.intelligentdevices.com/
>
> Erling
>
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:50:19 -0600, "Carl Amburn"
> <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Time for native Paris !! What the heck has ID been doing??? Anything???
>>
>>-Carl
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>news:4797f102@linux...
>>> Apparantly The Soniq has dropped the year warranty down to 90 days. Bad
>>> news.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>No, tell me they didn't really use the word "soon", did they?
Neil
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Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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---=_linux4799596a--I wish. I love me some SSC, no doubt.
"SSC" <SSC@intdevices.com> wrote in message news:4799513d$1@linux...
>
> I'm Back!!!
>
> SSCHell man - I'd even take Paris 2008 with new dedicated hardware..... :)
-Carl
"Neil" <OIUOUI@OI.com> wrote in message news:479944c3$1@linux...
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> No, tell me they didn't really use the word "soon", did they?
>
> Neil
>
> "Carl Amburn" <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>I'm not sure about that - their website has been like that for 6 months
> or
>>so. I emailed them back in October, and got a generic, vague response like
>
>>"check back with us soon". ?? Maybe some more people need to email them
> and
>>ask for it. ?
>>
>>-Carl
>>
>>
>>"erlilo" <erling.lovik@lyse.net> wrote in message
>>news:5ghgp3tgcdbub9mmib529qul4p4vbl2ouq@4ax.com...
>>> It's coming, soon;-) Look at their new/old homesite.
>>> http://www.intelligentdevices.com/
>>>
>>> Erling
>>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:50:19 -0600, "Carl Amburn"
>>> <carlamburn@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Time for native Paris !! What the heck has ID been doing??? Anything???
>>>>
>>>>-Carl
>>>>
>>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
>>>>news:4797f102@linux...
>>>>> Apparantly The Soniq has dropped the year warranty down to 90 days.
> Bad
>>>>> news.
>>>>>
>>>>> AA
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>Those blokes look way too complacent.
Rich
"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:4799596a$1@linux...
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> Because EVERYBODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
> boats for this...He's come back to save us, I knew it. Man I miss the good old days.
Rich
"SSC" <SSC@intdevices.com> wrote in message news:4799513d$1@linux...
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> I'm Back!!!
>
> SSCThen just make tomorrow your best day ever.... that way THESE
will be your good old days.
Neil
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>He's come back to save us, I knew it. Man I miss the good old days.
>
>Rich
>
>"SSC" <SSC@intdevices.com> wrote in message news:4799513d$1@linux...
>>
>> I'm Back!!!
>>
>> SSC
>
>I hope they aren't using chlorine!
"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:4799596a$1@linux...
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> Because EVERYBODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
> boats for this...actually when you think of it it's probably a good idea in that it may
stop them from breeding any more idiots.
On 25 Jan 2008 14:37:14 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
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>Because EVERYBODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
>boats for this...there are some instrument and plugin limitations (or omissions). not
sure about track count limitations as it used to be limited to 32 i
believe.
On 25 Jan 2008 04:55:44 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>I'm hearing that it is about as good as the full pro version.
>
>199.00
>
>Opinions?
>
>TIA
>
>DCRick, they are certainly candidates for and could easily win the Darwin
award :-)
Rich
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7sfjp3pdb9iv8h687n7e8oiko3lk0hpbai@4ax.com...
> actually when you think of it it's probably a good idea in that it may
> stop them from breeding any more idiots.
>
> On 25 Jan 2008 14:37:14 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Because EVERYBODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
> >boats for this...
>Neil, aren't those lyrics to an "old" song. Seriously man I hear you and I
attempt to be present in the moment, at every moment. I discovered a long
time ago that we have plenty of time to be dead, but youth is definitely
wasted on the young. Yup, "these are the good old days" :-)
Rich
"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:47996986$1@linux...
>
> Then just make tomorrow your best day ever.... that way THESE
> will be your good old days.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
> >He's come back to save us, I knew it. Man I miss the good old days.
> >
> >Rich
> >
> >"SSC" <SSC@intdevices.com> wrote in message news:4799513d$1@linux...
> >>
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BODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
>> >boats for this...
>>
>
>Are you thinking of one of the lines from "Anticipation" (Carly
Simon)? She sings someting like: "so stay right here, 'cause
these are the good old days".
I wasn't thinking of that at the time, just pointing out that
any given person's best days aren't necessarily behind them -
whether that statement comes from a life point of view or a DAW
point of view lol.
I guess I was trying to make a DAWble entendre. :D
Neil
"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>Neil, aren't those lyrics to an "old" song. Seriously man I hear you and
I
>attempt to be present in the moment, at every moment. I discovered a long
>time ago that we have plenty of time to be dead, but youth is definitely
>wasted on the young. Yup, "these are the good old days" :-)
>
>Rich
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote in message news:47996986$1@linux...
>>
>> Then just make tomorrow your best day ever.... that way THESE
>> will be your good old days.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote:
>> >He's come back to save us, I knew it. Man I miss the good old days.
>> >
>> >Rich
>> >
>> >"SSC" <SSC@intdevices.com> wrote in message news:4799513d$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> I'm Back!!!
>> >>
>> >> SSC
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>http://www.barefeats.com/octopro1.html
Seems that even with OS X not a lot of apps are really multi-treaded enough.
Read the section about AE
http://www.barefeats.com/octopro4.html
in which you have to turn on another switch to use the extra cores but it
makes a _real_ difference.
From what I read (and in my experience in the enterprise space where 8/16/32
cores have been common for years, as well as 64 bit kernels and filesystems)
the desktop apps haven't been tuned for serious mutliprocessing yet. For
the time being I think it will be more of an app by app thing than a general
improvement in overall performance.
Using multiple apps simultaneously should see a greater increase in performance
(if you run eight apps that are one thread each and they each can have a
whole CPU that can make a MASSIVE difference in both performance and 'feel'
of the machine). It's not uncommon in Unix land for one core to be completely
pinned and non-responsive doing some job while the apps running on the other
cores feel snappy as can be.
Note also in those tests was toad's the G5s look like in comparison.
TCB
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Apple charges 500.00 extra to get an 8-core MP over the 4.
>
>Any real-world advantage for audio use?
>
>TIA
>
>DC
>Thanks!
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>http://www.barefeats.com/octopro1.html
>
>Seems that even with OS X not a lot of apps are really multi-treaded enough.
>Read the section about AE
>
>http://www.barefeats.com/octopro4.html
>
>in which you have to turn on another switch to use the extra cores but it
>makes a _real_ difference.
>
>From what I read (and in my experience in the enterprise space where 8/16/32
>cores have been common for years, as well as 64 bit kernels and filesystems)
>the desktop apps haven't been tuned for serious mutliprocessing yet. For
>the time being I think it will be more of an app by app thing than a general
>improvement in overall performance.
>
>Using multiple apps simultaneously should see a greater increase in performance
>(if you run eight apps that are one thread each and they each can have a
>whole CPU that can make a MASSIVE difference in both performance and 'feel'
>of the machine). It's not uncommon in Unix land for one core to be completely
>pinned and non-responsive doing some job while the apps running on the other
>cores feel snappy as can be.
>
>Note also in those tests was toad's the G5s look like in comparison.
>
>TCB
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Apple charges 500.00 extra to get an 8-core MP over the 4.
>>
>>Any real-world advantage for audio use?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>DC
>>
>Thanks Rick.
Seems pretty cool for 199.
DC
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>there are some instrument and plugin limitations (or omissions). not
>sure about track count limitations as it used to be limited to 32 i
>believe.
>
>On 25 Jan 2008 04:55:44 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm hearing that it is about as good as the full pro version.
>>
>>199.00
>>
>>Opinions?
>>
>>TIA
>>
>>DC
>Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
alex plasko wrote:
> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has. I use
> mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any tuning
> imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models etc.
> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want one
> with one built in.
> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
> from the VG99.
> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary those.I'm not
> crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic models kick ass.
> way too much for me to write about now.
> and it can be had for around $1000
> the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
>
> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:47989b01@linux...
>> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>>
>> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out almost
>> $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both a decent
>> Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a Variax 700
>> for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good enough.
>>
>> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I cannot
>> find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one. The comment
>> in question comes up frequently in various review databases, and goes
>> along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a significant deficiency
>> in the sustain area (enough to be considered an unacceptable compromise by
>> several reviewers).
>>
>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find such
>> a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as an add-on
>> bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the altered tunings?
>> Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>
>> Thanks to all again,
>> Dan
>>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have one
>>> of those too.
>>>
>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't feed
>>> back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really nice to use
>>> on fingerpicked songs.
>>>
>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing without
>>> waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>
>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that are
>>> bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar and
>>> mandella.
>>>
>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important for
>>> shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via DSP).
>>>
>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body. It
>>> plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an acoustic.
>>>
>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of a
>>> risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any other
>>> acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>
>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps, which is
>>> probably why it never feeds back.
>>>
>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It sits
>>> nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling using
>>> different models.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be converging
>>>> towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>
>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for any
>>>> potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I don't
>>>> think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a reference, the
>>>> 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many luthiers, and the ones
>>>> I do know have a worldwide reputation (and are therefore not making
>>>> guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>
>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the Martin
>>>> OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be incredibly ugly, but
>>>> quite playable, although the action is typical Martin (i.e. high action,
>>>> a guitar that you have to dig in hard). Since I play mostly electric,
>>>> the nice low action of Taylors is appealing to me.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Dan
>>
>
>bill, I should have been more specific.I should have said that I'm not crazy
about the Les Paul models.It may be more the way the patch is written than
the actual model
The patches using the standard humbuckers and P90's just don't sound right
to me.again im saying the factory patches , not the potential of the VG99.
Part of it may also be the amp models they used for those patches.
This thing is endlessly tweakable.
2 separate ,simultaneous guitar models,2 separate simultaneous amp/effects
chains ,filters,EQ,flexible routing ,sheesh......
and then buss EQ/effects after that.
you want a Rick 360 and a danelectro56 through a Marshall stack and a
Solano SLO100 at the same time? no problem.
you want altered tuning? the impossible is possible with this thing.
sticking a pickup at
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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the 12th fret ?what?
sorry for being unclear about the electric models.
The VG99 has some serious processing power(double the previous)
It fills so many needs I think everyone should get one.
A VG99 through a stereo tube amp like a mesa 20/20 would be very convenient
for gigs.
anyway your going to have to get one to dig in on the capability of this
thing cause a store demo wont give you the picture, unless you spend a day
with the manual.
I"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479a14f7@linux...
> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>
> alex plasko wrote:
>> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has. I
>> use mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any
>> tuning imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models etc.
>> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want one
>> with one built in.
>> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
>> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
>> from the VG99.
>> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary those.I'm
>> not crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic models kick
>> ass.
>> way too much for me to write about now.
>> and it can be had for around $1000
>> the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
>>
>> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:47989b01@linux...
>>> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>>>
>>> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out
>>> almost $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both a
>>> decent Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a
>>> Variax 700 for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I cannot
>>> find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one. The
>>> comment in question comes up frequently in various review databases, and
>>> goes along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a significant
>>> deficiency in the sustain area (enough to be considered an unacceptable
>>> compromise by several reviewers).
>>>
>>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find
>>> such a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as an
>>> add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the altered
>>> tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>>
>>> Thanks to all again,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have
>>>> one of those too.
>>>>
>>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't feed
>>>> back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really nice to
>>>> use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>>
>>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing without
>>>> waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>>
>>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that are
>>>> bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar and
>>>> mandella.
>>>>
>>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important
>>>> for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via DSP).
>>>>
>>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body. It
>>>> plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an acoustic.
>>>>
>>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of a
>>>> risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any other
>>>> acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>>
>>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps, which
>>>> is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>>
>>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It sits
>>>> nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling using
>>>> different models.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for any
>>>>> potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I don't
>>>>> think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a reference,
>>>>> the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many luthiers, and
>>>>> the ones I do know have a worldwide reputation (and are therefore not
>>>>> making guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>>
>>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the
>>>>> Martin OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be incredibly
>>>>> ugly, but quite playable, although the action is typical Martin (i.e.
>>>>> high action, a guitar that you have to dig in hard). Since I play
>>>>> mostly electric, the nice low action of Taylors is appealing to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dan
>>>
>>The earlier VG8 and VG88 were not as good as the Variax at guitar
modeling when I tried them. Particularly the acoustic and strat models.
I haven't auditioned the VG99 yet but I've been monitoring a discussion
group which covers all of the Rolands, including the VG99:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/vg-8/messages
From comments on that group, all is not roses with the VG99. But it
does offer some advantages:
1) Play a guitar you already like.
2) It also does amp modeling, (if you like Roland's models)
Disadvantages:
1) Another $1000+
2) Another box to haul to gigs
3) For me, I'd need the additional footswitch unit
4) Requires adding a special pickup system
If the VG99 can do long jump alt tunings with absolutely no artifacts,
that's pretty huge. I'll have to hear it to believe it.
From what I've heard, on the MIDI side the tracking is no better than
the my GR-33, which isn't that great, but I'm glad they included MIDI
out capability anyway (something Line 6 ought to consider).
It's always nice to have another choice.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Bill L wrote:
> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>
> alex plasko wrote:
>> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has.
>> I use mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any
>> tuning imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models etc.
>> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want
>> one with one built in.
>> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
>> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
>> from the VG99.
>> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary
>> those.I'm not crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic
>> models kick ass.
>> way too much for me to write about now.
>> and it can be had for around $1000
>> the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
>>
>> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:47989b01@linux...
>>> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>>>
>>> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out
>>> almost $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both
>>> a decent Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a
>>> Variax 700 for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I
>>> cannot find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one.
>>> The comment in question comes up frequently in various review
>>> databases, and goes along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has
>>> a significant deficiency in the sustain area (enough to be considered
>>> an unacceptable compromise by several reviewers).
>>>
>>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find
>>> such a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as
>>> an add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the
>>> altered tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>>
>>> Thanks to all again,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an
>>>> acoustic guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version,
>>>> although I have one of those too.
>>>>
>>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't
>>>> feed back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really
>>>> nice to use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>>
>>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing
>>>> without waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a
>>>> booming sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>>
>>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that
>>>> are bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar
>>>> and mandella.
>>>>
>>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and -
>>>> important for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string
>>>> (again via DSP).
>>>>
>>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body.
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93413 is a reply to message #93412] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 14:49 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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>>>> It plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an
>>>> acoustic.
>>>>
>>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of
>>>> a risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any
>>>> other acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>>
>>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps,
>>>> which is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>>
>>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It
>>>> sits nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling
>>>> using different models.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>>
>>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for
>>>>> any potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I
>>>>> don't think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a
>>>>> reference, the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many
>>>>> luthiers, and the ones I do know have a worldwide reputation (and
>>>>> are therefore not making guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>>
>>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the
>>>>> Martin OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be
>>>>> incredibly ugly, but quite playable, although the action is typical
>>>>> Martin (i.e. high action, a guitar that you have to dig in hard).
>>>>> Since I play mostly electric, the nice low action of Taylors is
>>>>> appealing to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or
>>>>> specific, good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Dan
>>>
>>
>>Hi Don-
Express allows same number of tracks, and has the new features that Pro has,
like
swipe comping. It doesn't have multi channel mix down or TDM support.
It doesn't have Space designer (convol reverb) or Delay designer. Nor does
it have
the "vintage" instruments - Tonewheel, EVP88 (elec piano) or the clavinet
included,
although I think scaled back versions of these are available in Garageband.
Ted
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>
>Thanks Rick.
>
>Seems pretty cool for 199.
>
>DC
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>there are some instrument and plugin limitations (or omissions). not
>>sure about track count limitations as it used to be limited to 32 i
>>believe.
>>
>>On 25 Jan 2008 04:55:44 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm hearing that it is about as good as the full pro version.
>>>
>>>199.00
>>>
>>>Opinions?
>>>
>>>TIA
>>>
>>>DC
>>
>Thanks.
DC
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Don-
>
>Express allows same number of tracks, and has the new features that Pro
has,
>like
>swipe comping. It doesn't have multi channel mix down or TDM support.
>It doesn't have Space designer (convol reverb) or Delay designer. Nor does
>it have
>the "vintage" instruments - Tonewheel, EVP88 (elec piano) or the clavinet
>included,
>although I think scaled back versions of these are available in Garageband.
>
>Ted
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thanks Rick.
>>
>>Seems pretty cool for 199.
>>
>>DC
>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>there are some instrument and plugin limitations (or omissions). not
>>>sure about track count limitations as it used to be limited to 32 i
>>>believe.
>>>
>>>On 25 Jan 2008 04:55:44 +1000, "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm hearing that it is about as good as the full pro version.
>>>>
>>>>199.00
>>>>
>>>>Opinions?
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>
>>
>Kool, Alex. I'm currently using a Vox Tonelab into a Mesa Boogie
Satellite which is a combo style 1x12 amp designed to be a stereo add on
to a regular combo (it has no real preamp). I play either a custom Strat
style guitar or an Ibanez Artist 335 style, depending on the gig. I'm
overall pretty happy with the Tonelab and Mesa tone and feel, but I am
looking for more sounds and options, and versatility like having a
decent bass sound or an acoustic sound, plus better f/x would be way cool.
The thing I dig about my current rig is it feels very responsive and is
very playable, if you know what i mean. Does the VG99 feel like a real
amp setup, presuming you run it through a good tube power section lie a
2020? By the way, I rarely play heavy rock any more. I usually play
funk, R&B, fusion or jazz.
alex plasko wrote:
> bill, I should have been more specific.I should have said that I'm not crazy
> about the Les Paul models.It may be more the way the patch is written than
> the actual model
> The patches using the standard humbuckers and P90's just don't sound right
> to me.again im saying the factory patches , not the potential of the VG99.
> Part of it may also be the amp models they used for those patches.
> This thing is endlessly tweakable.
> 2 separate ,simultaneous guitar models,2 separate simultaneous amp/effects
> chains ,filters,EQ,flexible routing ,sheesh......
> and then buss EQ/effects after that.
> you want a Rick 360 and a danelectro56 through a Marshall stack and a
> Solano SLO100 at the same time? no problem.
> you want altered tuning? the impossible is possible with this thing.
> sticking a pickup at the 12th fret ?what?
> sorry for being unclear about the electric models.
> The VG99 has some serious processing power(double the previous)
> It fills so many needs I think everyone should get one.
> A VG99 through a stereo tube amp like a mesa 20/20 would be very convenient
> for gigs.
> anyway your going to have to get one to dig in on the capability of this
> thing cause a store demo wont give you the picture, unless you spend a day
> with the manual.
>
> I"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479a14f7@linux...
>> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
>> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
>> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>>
>> alex plasko wrote:
>>> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has. I
>>> use mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any
>>> tuning imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models etc.
>>> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want one
>>> with one built in.
>>> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
>>> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
>>> from the VG99.
>>> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary those.I'm
>>> not crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic models kick
>>> ass.
>>> way too much for me to write about now.
>>> and it can be had for around $1000
>>> the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
>>>
>>> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message news:47989b01@linux...
>>>> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>>>>
>>>> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out
>>>> almost $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both a
>>>> decent Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a
>>>> Variax 700 for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I cannot
>>>> find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one. The
>>>> comment in question comes up frequently in various review databases, and
>>>> goes along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a significant
>>>> deficiency in the sustain area (enough to be considered an unacceptable
>>>> compromise by several reviewers).
>>>>
>>>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find
>>>> such a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as an
>>>> add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the altered
>>>> tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all again,
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have
>>>>> one of those too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't feed
>>>>> back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really nice to
>>>>> use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing without
>>>>> waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that are
>>>>> bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar and
>>>>> mandella.
>>>>>
>>>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important
>>>>> for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via DSP).
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body. It
>>>>> plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an acoustic.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of a
>>>>> risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any other
>>>>> acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps, which
>>>>> is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>>>
>>>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It sits
>>>>> nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling using
>>>>> different models.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for any
>>>>>> potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I don't
>>>>>> think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a reference,
>>>>>> the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't kno
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93416 is a reply to message #93412] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 18:08 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Launch the minisite.I want to get some cool lights for my music room, things like black lights,
color lights etc to set mood for a dark room. Where can I get some cool
unique lights that are not spendy that would put the whooaahh into my room?bill here is a link to their video demo's for the VG99
it should give you a rough idea of what this is capable of.
as far as feeling the same as a real tube amp, uh naah, but I haven't tried
this through a tube amp yet so I don't know for sure.
I don't get the same feeling as playing through my lp-9 through my mesa
roadking, or one of my marshalls.
the tradeoff is extreme versatility .and its not a one trick pony your
locked in to as with with one amp one guitar at the gig or session .
you have a wide range of different sounds with the VG99,an amp, and your
favorite guitar.add a floor board controller if you need to control the
effects or whatever. I change patches right from my DC-1/13
the VG99 has a built in light beam controller and a ribbon controller so if
you set it on a stand right in front of you you have that option. unless
you rather dance on the floor controller...
anyway check out the videos.
I think the amp models are better than on the Vetta 2, and there are allot
more slots(400)
the only thing on the vetta I like better is the roger mayer Octavia effect.
is it better than a pod? I think so
more variation than on a variax? allot more
better than VG88 or VG8? double the processors.
It's not modeling nirvana yet, but 2 steps closer than last year.
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectI d=849&skip=true&page=video&file=vg-99_demo_video _pt1.flv
"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479a4e65@linux...
> Kool, Alex. I'm currently using a Vox Tonelab into a Mesa Boogie Satellite
> which is a combo style 1x12 amp designed to be a stereo add on to a
> regular combo (it has no real preamp). I play either a custom Strat style
> guitar or an Ibanez Artist 335 style, depending on the gig. I'm overall
> pretty happy with the Tonelab and Mesa tone and feel, but I am looking for
> more sounds and options, and versatility like having a decent bass sound
> or an acoustic sound, plus better f/x would be way cool.
>
> The thing I dig about my current rig is it feels very responsive and is
> very playable, if you know what i mean. Does the VG99 feel like a real amp
> setup, presuming you run it through a good tube power section lie a 2020?
> By the way, I rarely play heavy rock any more. I usually play funk, R&B,
> fusion or jazz.
>
> alex plasko wrote:
>> bill, I should have been more specific.I should have said that I'm not
>> crazy about the Les Paul models.It may be more the way the patch is
>> written than the actual model
>> The patches using the standard humbuckers and P90's just don't sound
>> right to me.again im saying the factory patches , not the potential of
>> the VG99.
>> Part of it may also be the amp models they used for those patches.
>> This thing is endlessly tweakable.
>> 2 separate ,simultaneous guitar models,2 separate simultaneous
>> amp/effects chains ,filters,EQ,flexible routing ,sheesh......
>> and then buss EQ/effects after that.
>> you want a Rick 360 and a danelectro56 through a Marshall stack and a
>> Solano SLO100 at the same time? no problem.
>> you want altered tuning? the impossible is possible with this thing.
>> sticking a pickup at the 12th fret ?what?
>> sorry for being unclear about the electric models.
>> The VG99 has some serious processing power(double the previous)
>> It fills so many needs I think everyone should get one.
>> A VG99 through a stereo tube amp like a mesa 20/20 would be very
>> convenient for gigs.
>> anyway your going to have to get one to dig in on the capability of this
>> thing cause a store demo wont give you the picture, unless you spend a
>> day with the manual.
>>
>> I"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>> news:479a14f7@linux...
>>> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
>>> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
>>> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>>>
>>> alex plasko wrote:
>>>> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has.
>>>> I use mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any
>>>> tuning imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models
>>>> etc.
>>>> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want
>>>> one with one built in.
>>>> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
>>>> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
>>>> from the VG99.
>>>> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to vary those.I'm
>>>> not crazy about the electric guitar models but the acoustic models kick
>>>> ass.
>>>> way too much for me to write about now.
>>>> and it can be had for around $1000
>>>> the martin D-28 model is my favorite so far.
>>>>
>>>> "D.P." <ottawarocks@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:47989b01@linux...
>>>>> Once again, thanks to all for the contributions...
>>>>>
>>>>> All this dialog has given me a wicked idea: instead of shelling out
>>>>> almost $3K on a Taylor, I could get for roughly the same amount both a
>>>>> decent Breedlove chosen mainly for its acoustic properties, *and* a
>>>>> Variax 700 for live playing where a "reasonable" substitute is good
>>>>> enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I read some comments on the Variax that make me nervous - I cannot
>>>>> find a Variax locally, and may have to (gulp!) mail-order one. The
>>>>> comment in question comes up frequently in various review databases,
>>>>> and goes along these lines: apparently, the Variax 700 has a
>>>>> significant deficiency in the sustain area (enough to be considered an
>>>>> unacceptable compromise by several reviewers).
>>>>>
>>>>> So Jamie (and anyone else who "believes" in the Variax): did you find
>>>>> such a flaw in the Variax's sustain? How usable is it really? And (as
>>>>> an add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the
>>>>> altered tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks to all again,
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>>>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>>>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>>>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have
>>>>>> one of those too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't
>>>>>> feed back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really
>>>>>> nice to use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing
>>>>>> without waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>>>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that
>>>>>> are bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar
>>>>>> and mandella.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>>>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important
>>>>>> for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via
>>>>>> DSP).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body.
>>>>>> It plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an
>>>>>> acoustic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of
>>>>>> a risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any
>>>>>> other acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps,
>>>>>> which is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It
>>>>>> sits nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling
>>>>>> using different models.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for
>>>>>>> any potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I
>>>>>>> don't think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a
>>>>>>> reference, the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many
>>>>>>> luthiers, and the ones I do know have a worldwide reputation (and
>>>>>>> are therefore not making guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the
>>>>>>> Martin OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be
>>>>>>> incredibly ugly, but quite playable, although the action is typical
>>>>>>> Martin (i.e. high action, a guitar that you have to dig in hard).
>>>>>>> Since I play mostly electric, the nice low action of Taylors is
>>>>>>> appealing to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>>>>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dan
>>Hey John,
Just be careful to stay away from anything requiring a ballast or rheostats,
as they can induce an amazing amount of noise into your environment.
Hope this helps!
Mark
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>I want to get some cool lights for my music room, things like black lights,
>color lights etc to set mood for a dark room. Where can I get some cool
>unique lights that are not spendy that would put the whooaahh into my room?the '60s ;-)
John wrote:
> I want to get some cool lights for my music room, things like black lights,
> color lights etc to set mood for a dark room. Where can I get some cool
> unique lights that are not spendy that would put the whooaahh into my room?Gotcha
alex plasko wrote:
> bill here is a link to their video demo's for the VG99
> it should give you a rough idea of what this is capable of.
> as far as feeling the same as a real tube amp, uh naah, but I haven't tried
> this through a tube amp yet so I don't know for sure.
> I don't get the same feeling as playing through my lp-9 through my mesa
> roadking, or one of my marshalls.
> the tradeoff is extreme versatility .and its not a one trick pony your
> locked in to as with with one amp one guitar at the gig or session .
> you have a wide range of different sounds with the VG99,an amp, and your
> favorite guitar.add a floor board controller if you need to control the
> effects or whatever. I change patches right from my DC-1/13
> the VG99 has a built in light beam controller and a ribbon controller so if
> you set it on a stand right in front of you you have that option. unless
> you rather dance on the floor controller...
> anyway check out the videos.
> I think the amp models are better than on the Vetta 2, and there are allot
> more slots(400)
> the only thing on the vetta I like better is the roger mayer Octavia effect.
> is it better than a pod? I think so
> more variation than on a variax? allot more
> better than VG88 or VG8? double the processors.
> It's not modeling nirvana yet, but 2 steps closer than last year.
>
>
> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectI d=849&skip=true&page=video&file=vg-99_demo_video _pt1.flv
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479a4e65@
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t; bill, I should have been more specific.I should have said that I'm not
>>> crazy about the Les Paul models.It may be more the way the patch is
>>> written than the actual model
>>> The patches using the standard humbuckers and P90's just don't sound
>>> right to me.again im saying the factory patches , not the potential of
>>> the VG99.
>>> Part of it may also be the amp models they used for those patches.
>>> This thing is endlessly tweakable.
>>> 2 separate ,simultaneous guitar models,2 separate simultaneous
>>> amp/effects chains ,filters,EQ,flexible routing ,sheesh......
>>> and then buss EQ/effects after that.
>>> you want a Rick 360 and a danelectro56 through a Marshall stack and a
>>> Solano SLO100 at the same time? no problem.
>>> you want altered tuning? the impossible is possible with this thing.
>>> sticking a pickup at the 12th fret ?what?
>>> sorry for being unclear about the electric models.
>>> The VG99 has some serious processing power(double the previous)
>>> It fills so many needs I think everyone should get one.
>>> A VG99 through a stereo tube amp like a mesa 20/20 would be very
>>> convenient for gigs.
>>> anyway your going to have to get one to dig in on the capability of this
>>> thing cause a store demo wont give you the picture, unless you spend a
>>> day with the manual.
>>>
>>> I"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479a14f7@linux...
>>>> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
>>>> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
>>>> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>>>>
>>>> alex plasko wrote:
>>>>> if you get a Roland VG99 you wont have the issues that the variax has.
>>>>> I use mine with a Brian Moore DC-1/13 and there are no artifacts ,any
>>>>> tuning imaginablealot more flexibility in designing your own models
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> you can install a GK-2 pickup on any guitar if you don't have or want
>>>>> one with one built in.
>>>>> there is absolutely NO delay as with a midi guitar setup.
>>>>> there is also a midi out if you would like to drive a synth
>>>>> from the VG99.
>>>>> there are allot of models built in and infinite ways to
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And (as
>>>>>> an add-on bonus question) how convincing and artifact-free are the
>>>>>> altered tunings? Would you trust it enough to buy one via mail order?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks to all again,
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:47963ccf$1@linux...
>>>>>>> For live acoustic guitar gigs I currently use a Line 6 Variax 700
>>>>>>> Acoustic modeling guitar. This is the one that looks like an acoustic
>>>>>>> guitar, not the PRS-ish looking electric 700 version, although I have
>>>>>>> one of those too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The acoustic 700 VAX sounds quite good through the PA. It doesn't
>>>>>>> feed back. Even when using the built-in compressor which is really
>>>>>>> nice to use on fingerpicked songs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Acoustically it's fairly quiet, good for late night practicing
>>>>>>> without waking anyone. But without plugging it in, it's not a booming
>>>>>>> sing-around-the-campfire acoustic guitar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has multiple guitar models to choose from including several that
>>>>>>> are bread and butter, plus a few non-guitar models like banjo, sitar
>>>>>>> and mandella.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It also can do alternate tunings on the fly (via DSP so not quite as
>>>>>>> great as tuning them yourself, but for live it's fine and - important
>>>>>>> for shows - instant). It can also imitate a 12 string (again via
>>>>>>> DSP).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks good, with nice grain on the top. It's has a shallow body.
>>>>>>> It plays well. The upper strings have 24 frets, very rare for an
>>>>>>> acoustic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's more affordable than a high-end acoustic, and therefore less of
>>>>>>> a risk at gigs. It sounds as good or better through a PA than any
>>>>>>> other acoustic guitar I've heard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only acoustic guitar thing it doesn't do well is body slaps,
>>>>>>> which is probably why it never feeds back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The output is mono. I do use it for recording direct sometimes. It
>>>>>>> sits nicely in the track and is good for L/R panned part doubling
>>>>>>> using different models.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> D.P. wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm usually an electric player, but I need to buy a decent acoustic
>>>>>>>> (with electronics). I tried a bunch of brands, and seem to be
>>>>>>>> converging towards a Taylor (something along the 714CE or 814CE).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Before I commit to an actual purchase, I wanted to ask around for
>>>>>>>> any potential advice. As much as I'd love to buy from a luthier, I
>>>>>>>> don't think I'll get much traction with my planned budget (as a
>>>>>>>> reference, the 714CE would cost around $2800). I don't know many
>>>>>>>> luthiers, and the ones I do know have a worldwide reputation (and
>>>>>>>> are therefore not making guitars for $2800 - more like $5k and up).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While reading Taylor reviews, I've seen several references to the
>>>>>>>> Martin OMC-Aura, so I went to try it out. I found it to be
>>>>>>>> incredibly ugly, but quite playable, although the action is typical
>>>>>>>> Martin (i.e. high action, a guitar that you have to dig in hard).
>>>>>>>> Since I play mostly electric, the nice low action of Taylors is
>>>>>>>> appealing to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone out there able to make some suggestions? General or specific,
>>>>>>>> good or bad, I'm quite open to any ideas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dan
>
>giddy up !hmm, so what to do about a black light?i finished the reggae album and uploaded a sample here: http://download.yousendit.com/7B92572579456D73
all in cubase 4.1Lava lamps are dirt cheap at wal mart
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:479a66ff$1@linux...
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> I want to get some cool lights for my music room, things like black
> lights,
> color lights etc to set mood for a dark room. Where can I get some cool
> unique lights that are not spendy that would put the whooaahh into my
> room?lava lamp technology seems to be iffy, some just have blobs that don't move,
i need a great lava lamp with temperature control so it keeps bubbling"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>I want to get some cool lights for my music room, things like black lights,
>color lights etc to set mood for a dark room. Where can I get some cool
>unique lights that are not spendy that would put the whooaahh into my room?
http://www.moonshineshades.com/
http://www.enchantedlantern.com/
DCdo they still make color organs? haven't seen one of them since the sixties
"john" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:479a899c$1@linux...
>
> lava lamp technology seems to be iffy, some just have blobs that don't
> move,
> i need a great lava lamp with temperature control so it keeps bubbling"alex plasko" <alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote:
>do they still make color organs? haven't seen one of them since the sixties
OOOH Yeah! some Ratshack or Heathkit color organs.... THAT'll do
the trick! lol
How about some track lighting with various colors to strike the
mood? Set 3 or 4 different tracks, each with differet colored
lights? Fuck the dimmers (since you really do need some hi-end
dimmers to avoid getting BUZZZ in the signal chain), and just
go with some switched color tracks?
Neilgreat sounds John,
Wondering if you want mix critiques?
Most of my thoughts are simply level tweaks
I'd bring that organ/rhodes type of keys way down..blowing away the bass
and drums that are the heart beat of the shit. ALso that stereo treatment
is too distracting from the song..And the horns and keys are too out front...
Also bring the vix up a CH..
Let the song chill a bit.. don't try so hard to make a "mix"
Just my thoughts...very close and better sounds than I ever get
Remember the lyric is where it is at..Listen to Culture or G Isaacs to get
in vibe.
Ya mon!
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>i finished the reggae album and uploaded a sample here: http://download.yousendit.com/7B92572579456D73
>
>all in cubase 4.1What would it be?
Every Sunday night, I co-host a radio show called "Night Rock" on a
regional radio station here in town.
This Sunday, Geoff will be calling in, so I can ask him anything I'd
like.
In fact, Pamela Moore, aka Sister Mary, will be live in the studio
with us -- she moved to the Chicago area several years ago and has
been in with us a couple of times already. Last time, she brought
homemade chocolate chip cookies.
So, do you, as a prog rock kinda guy, have anything you'd like to
know?
Hell, for that matter, if any of you have a question....
I'll be happy to ask him and report back on the answers.
In two weeks, we'll have Peterik in the studio and Joe Lynn Turner on
the phone.
This is a sweet gig. Doesn't pay, but it's still a sweet gig.
pabOn 26 Jan 2008 12:15:08 +1000, "john" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>lava lamp technology seems to be iffy, some just have blobs that don't move,
> i need a great lava lamp with temperature control so it keeps bubbling
Ain't that the truth? I've got two of them that pretty much just sit
there....
pabas a candidate myself they were easy to identify. :o)
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:19:00 -0500, "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>beat me to it Rick
>
>hehehe
>
>
>"Rich Lamanna" <richard.lamanna@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:4799ce39@linux...
>> Rick, they are certainly candidates for and could easily win the Darwin
>> award :-)
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7sfjp3pdb9iv8h687n7e8oiko3lk0hpbai@4ax.com...
>>> actually when you think of it it's probably a good idea in that it may
>>> stop them from breeding any more idiots.
>>>
>>> On 25 Jan 2008 14:37:14 +1000, "Neil" <OIUOI@OI.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Because EVERYBODY knows you're supposed to use plastic toy
>>> >boats for this...
>>>
>>
>>
>Very nice demo! Great players, too. Just having those bass sounds would
be valuable for me in a trio format, switching off playing bass with the
keyboard player. I was not impressed with the acoustic guitar sounds but
i liked the sitar! And that beam thingy looks like fun too.
I'm gonna have to get one and try it out.
alex plasko wrote:
> bill here is a link to their video demo's for the VG99
> it should give you a rough idea of what this is capable of.
> as far as feeling the same as a real tube amp, uh naah, but I haven't tried
> this through a tube amp yet so I don't know for sure.
> I don't get the same feeling as playing through my lp-9 through my mesa
> roadking, or one of my marshalls.
> the tradeoff is extreme versatility .and its not a one trick pony your
> locked in to as with with one amp one guitar at the gig or session .
> you have a wide range of different sounds with the VG99,an amp, and your
> favorite guitar.add a floor board controller if you need to control the
> effects or whatever. I change patches right from my DC-1/13
> the VG99 has a built in light beam controller and a ribbon controller so if
> you set it on a stand right in front of you you have that option. unless
> you rather dance on the floor controller...
> anyway check out the videos.
> I think the amp models are better than on the Vetta 2, and there are allot
> more slots(400)
> the only thing on the vetta I like better is the roger mayer Octavia effect.
> is it better than a pod? I think so
> more variation than on a variax? allot more
> better than VG88 or VG8? double the processors.
> It's not modeling nirvana yet, but 2 steps closer than last year.
>
>
> http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?ObjectI d=849&skip=true&page=video&file=vg-99_demo_video _pt1.flv
> "Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message news:479a4e65@linux...
>> Kool, Alex. I'm currently using a Vox Tonelab into a Mesa Boogie Satellite
>> which is a combo style 1x12 amp designed to be a stereo add on to a
>> regular combo (it has no real preamp). I play either a custom Strat style
>> guitar or an Ibanez Artist 335 style, depending on the gig. I'm overall
>> pretty happy with the Tonelab and Mesa tone and feel, but I am looking for
>> more sounds and options, and versatility like having a decent bass sound
>> or an acoustic sound, plus better f/x would be way cool.
>>
>> The thing I dig about my current rig is it feels very responsive and is
>> very playable, if you know what i mean. Does the VG99 feel like a real amp
>> setup, presuming you run it through a good tube power section lie a 2020?
>> By the way, I rarely play heavy rock any more. I usually play funk, R&B,
>> fusion or jazz.
>>
>> alex plasko wrote:
>>> bill, I should have been more specific.I should have said that I'm not
>>> crazy about the Les Paul models.It may be more the way the patch is
>>> written than the actual model
>>> The patches using the standard humbuckers and P90's just don't sound
>>> right to me.again im saying the factory patches , not the potential of
>>> the VG99.
>>> Part of it may also be the amp models they used for those patches.
>>> This thing is endlessly tweakable.
>>> 2 separate ,simultaneous guitar models,2 separate simultaneous
>>> amp/effects chains ,filters,EQ,flexible routing ,sheesh......
>>> and then buss EQ/effects after that.
>>> you want a Rick 360 and a danelectro56 through a Marshall stack and a
>>> Solano SLO100 at the same time? no problem.
>>> you want altered tuning? the impossible is possible with this thing.
>>> sticking a pickup at the 12th fret ?what?
>>> sorry for being unclear about the electric models.
>>> The VG99 has some serious processing power(double the previous)
>>> It fills so many needs I think everyone should get one.
>>> A VG99 through a stereo tube amp like a mesa 20/20 would be very
>>> convenient for gigs.
>>> anyway your going to have to get one to dig in on the capability of this
>>> thing cause a store demo wont give you the picture, unless you spend a
>>> day with the manual.
>>>
>>> I"Bill L" <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote in message
>>> news:479a14f7@linux...
>>>> Alex, I'm interested in something you wrote, "I'm not
>>>> crazy about the electric guitar models..." Really? I would have expected
>>>> the electric guitars to be best. What's wrong with them?
>>>>
>>>> alex plasko wrote:
>>>>> if you get a Roland VG99 y
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>>>>>> less keyboard presence now, especially in the verses -
>>>>>> especially with the guitars up a bit where they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.) As for the drums being too high-end-ish, no i didn't go for
>>>>>> a big "thumpy" kick on this... I think the kick drives things
>>>>>> pretty good, but I wanted a good deal of "thwack" so you could
>>>>>> hear the accents come through clearly. Snare-wise - i'm diggin'
>>>>>> that nice "CRACK!". It's coming across just the way I want it -
>>>>>> same with the toms... you can hear the impact, and in their
>>>>>> case still feel them... you know, that "tubby" tom sound. Keep
>>>>>> in mind that this song has a LOT going on in terms of texture &
>>>>>> layering - much of which is apparent in the lows & lo lo-mids,
>>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>>> tonali
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>>>>>>> so I have to have some of the drums sitting "above" that
>>>>>>> tonality-wise, or else, as busy as it is, things can get murky
>>>>>>> pretty quick.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5.) Someone said the reason the guitars should come down is
>>>>>>> that they couldn't hear the bass - or something along those
>>>>>>> lines... the guitars & bass are pretty freakin' tight with each
>>>>>>> other - is it possible that you're not hearing the bass as
>>>>>>> being where it lives, but are thinking it's part of the bottom
>>>>>&g
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Gizmo Recording Company
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