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My next mix setup? [message #74451]

Thu, 19 October 2006 12:24

gene Lennon[3]
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Registered: June 2006

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ilto:alex.plasko@snet.net" target="_blank">alex.plasko@snet.net> wrote in message news:455751ee@linux...
> Instruments always seem to hold their value if not increase.I should have
> just collected guitars.
> DC" <dc@spammersinTX.org> wrote in message news:45574e5f$1@linux...
> >
> > Oh hey, it's a bargain. His archtops start at 10K...
> >
> > Every year he brings a stunning archtop to NAMM for some
> > enormous price. Every year it sells.
> >
> > DC
> >
> >
> > "Neil

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74453 is a reply to message #74451]

Thu, 19 October 2006 13:11

Tyrone Corbett

Messages: 253
Registered: August 2006

Senior Member

dude.net> wrote:
>I used to have some nice axes. My dad and I used to go to the pawnshops
on
>Elm St. in Dallas in the mid 60's and buy stuff for $100.00-$300.00 that
>would sell for $20k nowadays. I had 4 x '56-'60 era strats *mint*, a Fender
>Esquire, a Jaguar, a Gretch Jet Firebird, two country Gentlemen, a
>Tennessean, a Ricky 330 12 string, a Les Paul Custom (black w/triple
>humbuckers), a Les Paul Standard (which I actually liked better than the
>Custom) and a Barney Kessel.
>They are all gone now because I got out of the music business and sold them
>thinking I would never have any use for them. By 1978 they were all gone.
I
>was young and stupid and these instruments now haunt my dreams and torment
>me.

If you don't buy some of them back you will die.I know where the Esquire is. That's the only one. Robbie Krieger played that
guitar at a show when our band opened for the Doors back in 1967. He tried
to buy it from me right then and there but I wouldn't part with it. A few
years later I sold it to a cousin. Now he won't sell it for any amount that<

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74454 is a reply to message #74453]

Thu, 19 October 2006 13:27

gene Lennon[3]
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br /> I could afford.
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"Gary Flanigan" <gary_flangian@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
news:455764b4$1@linux...
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> "DJ" <

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74459 is a reply to message #74451]

Thu, 19 October 2006 15:24

excelav

Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit

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/> >>Neil wrote:
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey Neil,
>>>>
>>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>>> problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>>>liking it a lot.
>>>
>>>
>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>>>
>>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>&

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74460 is a reply to message #74459]

Thu, 19 October 2006 15:53

gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006

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gt;> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>>> was oscillating at 3

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74463 is a reply to message #74460]

Thu, 19 October 2006 16:34

excelav

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Location: Metro Detroit

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r /> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>>>
>>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>>> #4! Switched the

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74470 is a reply to message #74463]

Thu, 19 October 2006 18:56

Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007

Senior Member

have
>>> problems.
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>>>=20
>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>>>>liking it a lot.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>>>=20
>>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>>> E

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74475 is a reply to message #74470]

Thu, 19 October 2006 19:26

gene lennon
Messages: 565
Registered: July 2006

Senior Member

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74488 is a reply to message #74451]

Fri, 20 October 2006 01:42

rick

Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006

Senior Member

e I haven't needed to use that before.
> >>>=20
> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
> >>> appreciate it!
> >>>=20
> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
> >>> Again, not certain how close the

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74505 is a reply to message #74453]

Fri, 20 October 2006 10:08

duncan

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Registered: November 2006

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ient way of grouping them without
really "grouping" them audio-wise. Also in this manner, all the
group send/return effects that have anything to do with each
track are included in the particular stem, as well. Now in this
case I don't dither down at this stage, what I do is to export
each stem at 88.2k/32-bit float, then open a new (empty)
project, and import those stem files I just created... if I'm
getting any overs on the master, I just bring down each stereo
stem channel by the same amount, and it keeps everything in
the same balance - easy. At THAT point, I dither down to
16-bit/44.1k for the final stereo mix file.

-For the "Mixed in Native/Summed in Paris" mix, I of course kept
the mix identical, but sent four groups out of one of my
Multiface's 8 balanced analog outs to the 8-in MEC module.
Those groups were similar, but not identical to the stems I
used for the stems mix version (I didn't want to send a fifth
group out, because then I would've had to use the lower-
resolution MEC Master inputs); those groups were:
1.) Drums
2.) Low End stuff & Rhythm Guitars
3.) Keys & solo guitars
4.) Vocals
Now, I did place a transparent brickwall limiter set at -0.3
and no gain maximization across each output, so that I wouldn't
clip either the 8-in module or the individual channels in
Paris. This also replicated the stems mix in that regard,
because I limit everything going out into stems to -0.3.
I know some of you guys love the clip factor in Paris, but I
wanted to make it fair in all respects.... if I'm avoiding
clipping in SX, I should also be avoiding it in Paree. In this
regard, neither the 8-in module's inputs or any of the
individual channels in Paris were clipping with the

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74520 is a reply to message #74505]

Fri, 20 October 2006 13:11

gene Lennon[3]
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Registered: June 2006

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www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3
>>
>> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3
>>
>>
>> They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of
>> instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then
>> background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's.
>>
>> Any guesses as to which is which? Or better yet

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Re: My next mix setup? [message #74572 is a reply to message #74520]

Sat, 21 October 2006 10:06

duncan

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Registered: November 2006

Senior Member

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