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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74464 is a reply to message #74458] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 16:42   |
Don Nafe
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two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>>>
>>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>>> appreciate it!
>>>
>>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>>> mixing ITB on
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74471 is a reply to message #74443] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 19:07 |
Aaron Allen
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merick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>>> was oscillating at 30k).
>>>=20
>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>>> a point of argument.
>>>=20
>>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>>> got two issues at hand:
>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>>> AES outs excep
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74478 is a reply to message #74457] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 20:34 |
Rod Lincoln
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mp; CPU resources" - blah,<BR>>>> blah, blah, =
yada, yada,=20
yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff<BR>>>> Emerick =
(you know,=20
the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing<BR>>>> a "bad" =
channel in=20
one of his consoles that they had just<BR>>>> installed... =
what was=20
"bad" about it was a defective cap that<BR>>>> was =
oscillating at=20
30k).<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a=20
difference with those higher<BR>>>> sample rates - whether =
I'm=20
fooling myself or not is, I suppose,<BR>>>> a point of=20
argument.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Now, the other thing I'll =
need to=20
figure out with the Pulsar<BR>>>> card is the whole i/o =
deal... if=20
I'm going to keep the RME<BR>>>> convertors & use them =
instead of=20
getting an A16Ultra, then I've<BR>>>> got two issues at=20
hand:<BR>>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the =
input=20
chain,<BR>>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max =
on input=20
at my<BR>>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option =
so I=20
could have<BR>>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you =
two analog=20
ins, two<BR>>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 =
channels=20
each at that<BR>>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't =
have=20
anything with<BR
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74490 is a reply to message #74478] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 03:41 |
Don Nafe
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> <A =
>href=3D"news:45576cdc$1@linux">news:45576cdc$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>"Nei=
>l"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hey Jeff...<BR>><BR>>No, I don't have a =
>spare one=20
> laying around anymore - the one I<BR>>did have was cannibalized to =
>build=20
> the Paris PC. I don't know<BR>>if I really want to a third one to =
>the mix -=20
> I'm trying to<BR>>figure out how to configure this additional stuff =
>
> now<BR>>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring=20
> connections,<BR>>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good =
>place to=20
> put<BR>>another PC; although you're right, that could be an=20
> inexpensive<BR>>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie =
>e-machines=20
> brand<BR>>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300=20
> range.<BR>><BR>>That'll definitely be something to consider if I =
>end up=20
> going<BR>>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main =
>PC.<BR><BR>There are=20
> ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>and<BR>a=20
> network connection, the KMV may not be=20
> =
>necessary.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR>><BR>>Neil<BR>><BR> ><BR>>Je=
>ff=20
> hoover <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>Neil,<BR>>><BR>>>Kind of a neophyte on =
>all this=20
> stuff, but what about picking up a low <BR>>>end pc just for =
>multiface=20
> control(or you may have one in your back <BR>>>room). =
>Still just=20
> starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>doubt<BR>><BR>>>it=20
> takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
> <BR>>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the =
>multifaces=20
> <BR>>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to =
>basically=20
> just A/D <BR>>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you=20
> want. Just use a KVM <BR>>>switch (cheap one) to get to =
>the piece=20
> occasionally if there is issues.<BR&
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74497 is a reply to message #74490] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 08:45 |
Don Nafe
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gt; installed... =
>what was=20
> "bad" about it was a defective cap that<BR>>>> was =
>oscillating at=20
> 30k).<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a=20
> difference with those higher<BR>>>> sample rates - whether =
>I'm=20
> fooling myself or not is, I suppose,<BR>>>> a point of=20
> argument.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> Now, the other thing I'll =
>need to=20
> figure out with the Pulsar<BR>>>> card is the whole i/o =
>deal... if=20
> I'm going to keep the RME<BR>>>> convertors & use them =
>instead of=20
> getting an A16Ultra, then I've<BR>>>> got two issues at=20
> hand:<BR>>>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the =
>input=20
> chain,<BR>>>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max =
>on input=20
> at my<BR>>>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option =
>so I=20
> could have<BR>>>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you =
>two analog=20
> ins, two<BR>>>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 =
>channels=20
> each at that<BR>>>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't =
>have=20
> anything with<BR>>>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 =
>with=20
> the digicard <BR>>>> option - and I don't know if you can use =
>the AES=20
> & lightpipe<BR>>>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe =
>I'll be=20
> able to get 12<BR>>>> channels of input out of the system; =
>ten for=20
> sure. We'll see.<BR>>>> In any event, that's a step back from =
>my=20
> current 16 analog ins<BR>>>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 =
>channels=20
> of digilight (using<BR>>>> the ISA card). Not a problem for =
>most of=20
> the stuff I do, but<BR>>>> getting another full RAWK band in =
>here, 10=20
> or 12 in's might not<BR>>>> be enough for basic =
>trax.<BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping =
>the=20
> RME<BR>>>> convertors can be summed up in this simple=20
> phrase:<BR>>>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say =
>more?<BR>>>>=20
> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still=20
> use<BR>>>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for =
>tracking,=20
> enabling me to<BR>>>> have all the inputs I need & not =
>worry=20
> about interfacing the<BR>>>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, =
>and=20
> then release those drivers<BR>>>> for mixdown & =
>incorporate the=20
> Pulsar Card at that point.... not<BR>>>> sure how well =
>that'll work,=20
> but I guess I'm gonna try it.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> In any =
>event,=20
> I've just been messing with the Paris summing<BR>>>> thing =
>right now.=20
> Got Paris up & running first time &<BR>>>> =
>everything's=20
> working fine... had some routing problem
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74500 is a reply to message #74497] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 09:32 |
Don Nafe
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> "active"<BR>>>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, =
>too; but no=20
> matter<BR>>>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not =
>have=20
> Analog Out<BR>>>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when =
>this might=20
> have<BR>>>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that=20
> before.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> If anyone can give me a hint =
>as to=20
> what I might try, I'd<BR>>>> appreciate it!<BR>>>>=20
> <BR>>>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, =
>
> going<BR>>>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off =
>the=20
> MEC... what<BR>>>> do I think so far? Well, there's =
>definitely a=20
> difference vs.<BR>>>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I =
>
> suspected there would<BR>>>> be. Does it sound better than a =
>straight=20
> 2-buss Native mix?<BR>>>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm =
>definitely=20
> losing some high<BR>>>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be =
>able to=20
> tell for sure<BR>>>> until I a/b them, but those are my =
>initital=20
> impressions. To me<BR>>>> it sounds much like what you'd get =
>if you=20
> stemmed out four or<BR>>>> five stereo submixes in SX, then=20
> re-imported them into a new<BR>>>> project & summed it to =
>your=20
> final 2-track mix from there.<BR>>>> Again, not certain how =
>close the=20
> comparison is, but tomorrow<BR>>>> I'm going to run a totally =
>ITB=20
> Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed<BR>>>> Native mix, and a "summed =
>in=20
> Paris" mix & post some clips so you<BR>>>> guys can =
>compare for=20
> yourselves.<BR>>>> <BR>>>> =
>Neil<BR>><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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>Not really my cup-of-tea stylistically, but "B" is the one you want. It's
pretty different from the other two - to me, as if I yanked the cotton out
of my ears after listening to "A" and "C".
-Carl
"Neil" <IOU@OIUOI.com> wrote in message news:4557bcc2$1@linux...
>
> Three files total... one's a 'Mixed in SX, Summed in Paris'
> mix, another is a straight-ahead SX 2-Buss Mix, and another
> is an SX Stems Mix (note: NOT necessarily in the order I
> just mentioned):
>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipA.mp3
>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3
>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3
>
>
> They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of
> instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then
> background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's.
>
> Any guesses as to which is which? Or better yet, which one do
> you like better?
>
> NeilHmm, that's very interesting..
I preferred "C", except for that fact that it sounded a little smaller to me
than the others,
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74514 is a reply to message #74500] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 12:12 |
Tom Bruhl
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n all this stuff, but what about picking up a =
>>low=20
>> >>end pc just for multiface control(or you may have one in your back=20
>> >>room). Still just starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>>doubt
>> >
>> >>it takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
>> >>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the multifaces=20
>> >>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to basically just A/D=20
>> >>converters, but it sounds like that's what you want. Just use a KVM
>
> =
>
>> >>switch (cheap one) to get to the piece occasionally if there is =
>>issues.
>> >>
>> >>Just a thought
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Jeff
>> >>
>> >>Neil wrote:
>> >>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >>>=20
>> >>>>Hey Neil,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Feel free to give me a call if you hit any snags with the Pulsar.=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's not
>> >>> scheduled to get here until late next week, actually, so it
>> >>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on it if I have
>> >>> problems.
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and I'm still
>> >>>>liking it a lot.
>> >>>=20
>> >>>=20
>> >>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait, that's
>> >>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D j/k!
>> >>>=20
>> >>> BTW I decided to get the Professional card (instead of the
>> >>> Project card) for more DSP, and I passed on the convertors
>> >>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't want to dump too much
>> >>> money into this experiment if it didn't work out. In talking to
>> >>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able to sum as many channels as
>> >>> I'm running, plus a couple of 'verbs, plus a few channels of
>> >>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the Project card. Then I got a
>> >>> lecture about using 88.2k in the first place... you know - the
>> >>> whole "you can't hear it once you convert to 44.1 for CD's
>> >>> anyway, and then you also get aliasing when you do, and in the
>> >>> meanwhile you're using too many DSP & CPU resources" - blah,
>> >>> blah, blah, yada, yada, yada... tell it to Rupert Neve & Geoff
>> >>> Emerick (you know, the story Rupert tells about Geoff noticing
>> >>> a "bad" channel in one of his consoles that they had just
>> >>> installed... what was "bad" about it was a defective cap that
>> >>> was oscillating at 30k).
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Anyway, I believe I can hear a difference with those higher
>> >>> sample rates - whether I'm fooling myself or not is, I suppose,
>> >>> a point of argument.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Now, the other thing I'll need to figure out with the Pulsar
>> >>> card is the whole i/o deal... if I'm going to keep the RME
>> >>> convertors & use them instead of getting an A16Ultra, then I've
>> >>> got two issues at hand:
>> >>> 1.) If I'm going to use the Pulsar card in the input chain,
>> >>> then I'm going to be limited to ten tracks max on input at my
>> >>> 88.2k sample rate (I got the "Plus" i/o option so I could have
>> >>> balanced ins & outs, which gives you two analog ins, two
>> >>> ADAT/Optical in's - which are good for 4 channels each at that
>> >>> sample rate - and 2 AES in's, but I don't have anything with
>> >>> AES outs except for my Mucusrite ISA 428 with the digicard=20
>> >>> option - and I don't know if you can use the AES & lightpipe
>> >>> outs at the same time... anyway, maybe I'll be able to get 12
>> >>> channels of input out of the system; ten for sure. We'll see.
>> >>> In any event, that's a step back from my current 16 analog ins
>> >>> (with my two Multifaces) plus 4 channels of digilight (using
>> >>> the ISA card). Not a problem for most of the stuff I do, but
>> >>> getting another full RAWK band in here, 10 or 12 in's might not
>> >>> be enough for basic trax.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> 2.) The second issue I'll be dealing with by keeping the RME
>> >>> convertors can be summed up in this simple phrase:
>> >>> TWO ASIO DRIVERS... need I say more?
>> >>> Well, we'll see how that goes, as well... maybe I can still use
>> >>> the Multifaces & their own drivers for tracking, enabling me to
>> >>> have all the inputs I need & not worry about interfacing the
>> >>> Multifaces with the Pulsar card, and then release those drivers
>> >>> for mixdown & incorporate the Pulsar Card at that point.... not
>> >>> sure how well that'll work, but I guess I'm gonna try it.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> In any event, I've just been messing with the Paris summing
>> >>> thing right now. Got Paris up & running first time &
>> >>> everything's working fine... had some routing problems with my
>> >>> RME's, though... for some odd reason I no longer have Output
>> >>> #4! Switched the two Multifaces around, swapped out PCI cards &
>> >>> even PCI slots, still nothing... it's showing up as "active"
>> >>> and "visible" in the 'Device Setup' menu, too; but no matter
>> >>> what configuration I try, I just simply do not have Analog Out
>> >>> #4 any more... weird. I don't know when this might have
>> >>> happened, because I haven't needed to use that before.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> If anyone can give me a hint as to what I might try, I'd
>> >>> appreciate it!
>> >>>=20
>> >>> In any event, I'm using 4 sets of stereo analog outs, going
>> >>> into the Paris 8-in module, and monitoring off the MEC... what
>> >>> do I think so far? Well, there's definitely a difference vs.
>> >>> mixing ITB on a 2-buss Native mix, as I suspected there would
>> >>> be. Does it sound better than a straight 2-buss Native mix?
>> >>> Yeah, I think so in a way... I'm definitely losing some high
>> >>> end, but it sounds bigger - won't be able to tell for sure
>> >>> until I a/b them, but those are my initital impressions. To me
>> >>> it sounds much like what you'd get if you stemmed out four or
>> >>> five stereo submixes in SX, then re-imported them into a new
>> >>> project & summed it to your final 2-track mix from there.
>> >>> Again, not certain how close the comparison is, but tomorrow
>> >>> I'm going to run a totally ITB Native 2-buss mix, a stemmed
>> >>> Native mix, and a "summed in Paris" mix & post some clips so you
>> >>> guys can compare for yourselves.
>> >>>=20
>> >>> Neil
>> >
>>
>>
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>> <DIV>"James McCloskey" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:excelsm@hotmail.com">excelsm@hotmail.com</A>> wrote =
>>in message=20
>> <A =
>>href=3D"news:45576cdc$1@linux">news:45576cdc$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>"Nei=
>>l"=20
>> <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUOIU@OIU.com">OIUOIU@OIU.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Hey Jeff...<BR>><BR>>No, I don't have a =
>>spare one=20
>> laying around anymore - the one I<BR>>did have was cannibalized to =
>>build=20
>> the Paris PC. I don't know<BR>>if I really want to a third one to =
>>the mix -=20
>> I'm trying to<BR>>figure out how to configure this additional stuff =
>>
>> now<BR>>(**physically** configure, I mean - not configuring=20
>> connections,<BR>>etc.), so I don't know if I'd even have a good =
>>place to=20
>> put<BR>>another PC; although you're right, that could be an=20
>> inexpensive<BR>>way to go about it - I could pick up a cheapie =
>>e-machines=20
>> brand<BR>>or equivalent for in the slightly over $300=20
>> range.<BR>><BR>>That'll definitely be something to consider if I =
>>end up=20
>> going<BR>>through dual-ASIO-driver hell on the main =
>>PC.<BR><BR>There are=20
>> ways to remotely access the other system through software =
>>and<BR>a=20
>> network connection, the KMV may not be=20
>> =
>>necessary.<BR><BR>James<BR><BR>><BR>>Neil<BR>><BR >><BR>>Je=
>>ff=20
>> hoover <<A =
>>href=3D"mailto:jkhoover@excite.com">jkhoover@excite.com</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>Neil,<BR>>><BR>>>Kind of a neophyte on =
>>all this=20
>> stuff, but what about picking up a low <BR>>>end pc just for =
>>multiface=20
>> control(or you may have one in your back <BR>>>room). =
>>Still just=20
>> starting with the multiface thing myself, but I =
>>doubt<BR>><BR>>>it=20
>> takes any power to run Totalmix, and that would get around the=20
>> <BR>>>"confguration lost when power's off" if you run the =
>>multifaces=20
>> <BR>>>standlone. The multifaces would be relegated to =
>>basically=20
>> just A/D <BR>>>converters, but it sounds like that's what you=20
>> want. Just use a KVM <BR>>>switch (cheap one) to get to =
>>the piece=20
>> occasionally if there is issues.<BR>>><BR>>>Just a=20
>> =
>>thought<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Jeff<BR>>><BR>>>Ne=
>>il=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>> "DJ" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:nowayjose@dude.net">nowayjose@dude.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>>> <BR>>>>>Hey=20
>> Neil,<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>Feel free to give me a =
>>call if=20
>> you hit any snags with the Pulsar. <BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>> Thanks for the offer, Deej - I may do that... it's=20
>> not<BR>>>> scheduled to get here until late next week, =
>>actually, so=20
>> it<BR>>>> won't be right away that I need to take you up on =
>>it if I=20
>> have<BR>>>> problems.<BR>>>> <BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>>>I've been test driving mine some more today and =
>>I'm=20
>> still<BR>>>>>liking it a lot.<BR>>>> =
>><BR>>>>=20
>> <BR>>>> What? You havent shitcanned it yet? (oh, no wait,=20
>> that's<BR>>>> tomorrow - Sunday) :D =20
>> j/k!<BR>>>> <BR>>>> BTW I decided to get the =
>>Professional=20
>> card (instead of the<BR>>>> Project card) for more DSP, and I =
>>passed=20
>> on the convertors<BR>>>> (their A16ultra box), since I didn't =
>>want to=20
>> dump too much<BR>>>> money into this experiment if it didn't =
>>work=20
>> out. In talking to<BR>>>> Gary, he wasn't sure if I'd be able =
>>to sum=20
>> as many channels as<BR>>>> I'm running, plus a couple of =
>>'verbs, plus=20
>> a few channels of<BR>>>> dynamics at 88.2k/24-bit with the =
>>Project=20
>> card. Then I got a<BR>>>> lecture about using 88.2k in the =
>>first=20
>> place... you know - the
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| Re: Another Dumb Q Slaving Paris to ???? [message #74522 is a reply to message #74514] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 13:27 |
Don Nafe
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;zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> skrev i melding news:4550ec5f$1@linux...
>
> Any opinion about Behringer V-Verb Pro 9024 and Virtualizer DSP
> 2024p?Apart
> this, V-Verb Pro not for official sale in EU, only private auction on
> Ebay.I am posting before reading the results after listening
to A then B then C then A again on these cheap
comp speakers I definately think A sounds different then both
B & C.
I dont know if better is the word.
However, A seems more upfront and rocking.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:45580de2@linux...
> Lucky boy...
> My wife works for Opera Australia, so I get to see all the operas on tech
> night or opening night, which is pretty cool.
> --
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4557f074$1@linux...
> >
> > FWIW, C is the softest starting out, A is the loudest and B is in the
> > middle (according to my DB meter).
> >
> > That said, C also seems to be somewhat muffled compared to the other
two.
> > A feels like it's the most open.
> >
> > Keeping in mind that I just got back from the opera and I still have
> > sopranos ringing in my ears (Magic Flute)...
> >
> > So lessee, how about:
> >
> > A - Stems
> > B - SX
> > C - Paris
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -Jamie
> > www.JamieKrutz.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Neil wrote:
> >> Three files total... one's a 'Mixed in SX, Summed in Paris'
> >> mix, another is a straight-ahead SX 2-Buss Mix, and another
> >> is an SX Stems Mix (note: NOT necessarily in the order I
> >> just mentioned):
> >>
> >>
http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipA.mp3
> >>
> >>
http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3
> >>
> >>
http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3
> >>
> >>
> >> They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of
> >> instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then
> >> background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's.
> >>
> >> Any guesses as to which is which? Or better yet, which one do
> >> you like better?
> >>
> >> Neil
>
>Yeah, I would like to listen to them on refs.
I definately heard that A was not as detailed
as the other two, but I liked it cause it suits the music
in my opinion. Someone said "raspy" earlier.
I think that is pretty accurate.
The other two seemed to have a blanket on top of them.
Interesting results.
--
Thanks,
Brandon
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:45586ee4@linux...
> I am posting before reading the results after listening
> to A then B then C then A again on these cheap
> comp speakers I definately think A sounds different then both
> B & C.
> I dont know if better is the word.
> However, A seems more upfront and rocking.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:45580de2@linux...
> > Lucky boy...
> > My wife works for Opera Australia, so I get to see all the operas on
tech
> > night or opening night, which is pretty cool.
> > --
> > Martin Harrington
> > www.lendanear-sound.com
> >
> > "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
news:4557f074$1@linux...
> > >
> > > FWIW, C is the softest starting out, A is the loudest and B is in the
> > > middle (according to my DB meter).
> > >
> > > That said, C also seems to be somewhat muffled compared to the other
> two.
> > > A feels like it's the most open.
> > >
> > > Keeping in mind that I just got back from the opera and I still have
> > > sopranos ringing in my ears (Magic Flute)...
> > >
> > > So lessee, how about:
> > >
> > > A - Stems
> > > B - SX
> > > C - Paris
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > -Jamie
> > > www.JamieKrutz.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Neil wrote:
> > >> Three files total... one's a 'Mixed in SX, Summed in Paris'
> > >> mix, another is a straight-ahead SX 2-Buss Mix, and another
> > >> is an SX Stems Mix (note: NOT necessarily in the order I
> > >> just mentioned):
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipA.mp3
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipB.mp3
> > >>
> > >>
> http://www.saqqararecords.com/Music/Neil/Summing%20Experimen t%20ClipC.mp3
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> They're fairly short... 1:14 each, just enough to get a touch of
> > >> instrumentation by itself, a portion with lead vox, then
> > >> background vox. They're Hi-Rez mp3's.
> > >>
> > >> Any guesses as to which is which? Or better yet, which one do
> > >> you like better?
> > >>
> > >> Neil
> >
> >
>
>DJ-
On the Pulsar web site, they make a big deal of their mixers being a
significant upgrade on any of the other native DAW mixers...
"two of probably the most capable software mixers ever: the STM 48 S Surround
Mixer and the 96-channel STM 4896 Recording Mixer."
FWIW
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>I'm going to try this as soon as my 3rd card gets here and another component
>that I've been waiting on. I've been summing a few mixes in Pulsar when
>doing the fader levels and pans in Cubase and I'm liking it a lot. I haven't
>done a *large* mix yet where I'm simply streaming mono tracks from Cubase
>through the Pulsar mixer and adjusting fader levels and pans in Pulsar.
I
>like to automate my faders and I'm going to have to figure out a way to
do
>this in Pulsar. There is a lot of midi functionality in the Scope mixer.
I
>haven't explored it yet. All indications are that fader and panning
>adjustments in the Scope mixer are the way to go. The Cubase mixer is just
>so **** efficient and convenient, I want to stay there.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
><OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4558018e$1@linux...
>>
>> So you're not summing in Pulsar? I thought that's what you were
>> going to do, so you could keep everything ITB, yet still have
>> DSP summing?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >You'd be surprised how many tracks can be accummulated when you've got
12
>> >mics on a drum kit, three fiddles with a pair of mics on each one, a
pair
>> of
>> >mics on a bass amp and a DI, a pair of mics on rythym guitar, a stereo
>> >piano, a mono mic on lead guitar, dobro and mandolin and a lead vocal
>with
>> >3-4 part harmony vocals added.
>> >
>> >A mix like this can get pretty busy and muddy. Paris seems to handle
it
>> >better than Cubase ITB. the three cards are so I can be able to stream
40
>> >tracks via ADAT from Cubase to Paris if I decide that's the route I want
>> to
>> >continue to take once the dust clears. So far, the Pulsar cards have
been
>> >extremely stable. I'm hoping to continue that kind of stability when
>> >streaming 40 tracks from Cubase to Paris for summing. I'm also liking
>just
>> >patching Creamware processors into Paris tracks on different submixes.
>It's
>> >all DSP based/zero audible latency at that point but I'm not using my
>UAD-1
>> >cards. Still, the Creamware DSP based hardware is impressing me a lot.
>Very
>> >hig quality. If I can find some Pulsar EQ's that can give me the same
>mojo
>> >that the UAD 1073 does, I'm going to be a happy camper. If I don't have
>> >1073's, I will die.
>> >
>> >;o)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4557fb52$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> >> >Well ****!!! Man........I was *really* hoping that Mix C was
>> >> >the native mix. The way the vocal sat in the mix was a dead
>> >> >giveaway but I was soooooo hoping that C was the native ITB
>> >> >mix. You don't know how much. ;o)
>> >>
>> >> I know, the whole "two-computer" thing is a clusterfuck, no
>> >> matter what... just this somewhat simple experiment took me
>> >> quite awhile to set up, and then youre dealing with stuff
>> >> like: "OK, so I have to monitor through Paris for the analog
>> >> summing part, but then what do I do with the other mixes?
>> >> Repatch my monitors? Re-route through my VST outputs? OK, so
>> >> I guess I'll just save three different versions of this one
>> >> project, then" lol
>> >>
>> >> >I think you would have a bit more detail and depth to the
>> >> >soundstage on mix C if you were streaming the tracks over ADAT
>> >> >into Paris rather than the AD/DA conversion
>> >>
>> >> Can't do it... Even if I had a couple of Paris ADAT cards, I
>> >> couldn't do it... how would I get from my 88.2k samplerate
>> >> coming out of my ADAT outs, to the 44.1k Paris ADAT protocol?
>> >>
>> >> >Thanks for taking the time to do this test Neil. Guess my ears
>> >> >haven't been playing tricks on me recently.
>> >>
>> >> No prob!
>> >>
>> >> >I think you may have a nice surprise when you get the Pulsar
>> >> >card. I think you're going to have something closer to a
>> >> >cross between mix B & C.
>> >>
>> >> That would RAWK - seriously! To be able to have the phase-
>> >> coherence of staying 2-track ITB all the way through, yet
>> >> getting better summing out of the whole deal, while retaining
>> >> the definititon & clarity up top (again, listen to mix "B"
>> >> guys... that's just an MP3 file and even at that resolution
>> >> you can STILL hear what 88.2k can do for you!) - that would
>> >> KILL. And I'd love it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >Once my 3rd card comes in, I'll get around to doing something
>> >> >similar and post it up.
>> >>
>> >> Why do you need three cards? What the hell are you doing with
>> >> that bluegrass stuff you've been recording... turning it into
>> >> a damn 60-track symphony? POST SOME CLIPS NOW! lol
>> >>
>> >> Neil
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Thanks Erlio.Is it usefull verb with Paris?Is it different kind of reverb
vs.EDS reverb but none-lower quality?
Look at Behringer web for price, you'll reconised that it not for sale in
EU.I mean about V-Verb 2496.
I agree about "myth of bad quality".
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>For the price, you can't get any better. Is it not for official sale in
>EU???? I buyed mine official in Cobenhagen the first year it came out and
am
>using it daily, together with Paris. I am using "oceans" of Behringer
>products here and have used them for years without any problems at all,
so
>the myth about how bad Behringer products are is just a myth for me, but
not
>for Deej;-) I see the shops are selling it official in Cobenhagen.
>
>Erlilo
>
>"zmora" <docent191@wp.pl> skrev i melding news:4550ec5f$1@linux...
>>
>> Any opinion about Behringer V-Verb Pro 9024 and Virtualizer DSP
>> 2024p?Apart
>> this, V-Verb Pro not for official sale in EU, only private auction on
>> Ebay.
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>Mw wish...
>the 500 HZ & below portion of Mix "C", and everything from that
>point upwards from mix "B".
>
>And the answers are:
>
>Mix "A" is the straight-ahead Native 2-Buss version.
>
>Mix "B" is the Native Stems version.
>
>Mix "C" is the Summed-in-Paris version.
>
>
>Neil
>
Neil-
Thanks so much for posting this, it's really helpful.
One of the things I've heard repeated often over the years here is the
need to mix Paris projects differently (like any piece of gear, play to its
strengths). Specifically the highs need more presence.
Naive question but adding a few dbs and a stereo spreader
in the treble would go a certain way towards granting your wish of
combiningg the lows of C with the highs of B, wouldn't it?
Mixing stems in Paris might be a good way to attack this...
Ted"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>Mw wish...
>>the 500 HZ & below portion of Mix "C", and everything from that
>>point upwards from mix "B".
>>
>>And the answers are:
>>
>>Mix "A" is the straight-ahead Native 2-Buss version.
>>
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