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Mon, 21 August 2006 13:09

DC
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eclared
>>>>>>>>>>> interest in emptying the US treasury, it's likewise beneficial
to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> the specter of an enemy out there. Fear sells.
>>>>>>&

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Re: New article [message #71569 is a reply to message #71566]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:25

chuck duffy
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t;>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denying the heliocentric theory of Copernicus, which
>> describes
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual way the solar system works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It also extends to a few Christian sects who, feeling
>> similarly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insecure, tenaciously cling to the notion that the earth
is
>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6,000 years old, by virtue of the biblical interpretations

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Re: New article [message #71571 is a reply to message #71569]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:30

dc[5]
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gt; our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soldiers dying and our debt rising astronomically. And who
>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hide behind Christianity to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fear of reason extends to some neoconservatives who find
>>>> ways
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretend that everyone is aligning against Christianity. And
>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> spreading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this fear attempt to incite Christians to vote to keep them
>> in
>>>>>>>> power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And in so pandering, help to continue the denial of reason
>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>&

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Re: New article [message #71572 is a reply to message #71569]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:32

Deej [1]

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gt;>>>>>>> focus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the use of force.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not that I'll change your mind, DC, so go ahead and declare
>>>>>>>> victory.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ;^)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great week!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was worth reading if any of you are
>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Re: New article [message #71577 is a reply to message #71566]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:47

Pete Ruthenburg

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the
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> actual way the solar system works.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> It also extends to a few Christian sects who, feeling
>> > similarly
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> insecure, tenaciously cling to the notion that the earth
>is
>> > > only
>> > > > >>>>> about
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 6,000 years old, by virtue of the biblical
>interpretations
>> > and
>> > > > >>> clever
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> (at the time) calculations of an Irish Bishop several
>> > centuries
>> > > > >>> ago,
>> > > > >>>>>>>

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Re: New article [message #71579 is a reply to message #71577]

Mon, 21 August 2006 13:51

DC
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t;>>>>>>>> Have a great week!
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> DC wrote:
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> I thought this was worth reading if any of you are
>> > interested.
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Have a great Monday!
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------
>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > > > >>>&g

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Re: New article [message #71587 is a reply to message #71566]

Mon, 21 August 2006 16:33

Neil
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gt;>> If you want to say you don't have faith in anything, using any of the
>>>>
>>>>>>> definitions below, then that's your prerogative and I don't have a
>>>>>>> problem with that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TCB wrote:
>>>>>>>> Here's dictionary.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> faith  /feɪθ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled
>>>>>>>> Pronunciation[feyth]
>>>>>>>> Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
>>>>>>>> -noun
>&g

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Re: New article [message #71588 is a reply to message #71587]

Mon, 21 August 2006 16:41

DC
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t;>>>>>> 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's
>>>>>>>> ability.
>>>>>>>> 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the
>>>>>>>> hypothesis
>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> be substantiated by fact.
>>>>>>>> 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the
>>>>>>>> firm
>>>>>> faith
>>>>>>>> of the Pilgrims.
>>>>>>>> 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit,
>>>>>>>> etc.:
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
>>>>>>>> 5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish
>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>> 6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise,
&

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Re: New article [message #71591 is a reply to message #71588]

Mon, 21 August 2006 18:02

Deej [1]

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gt; sort
>>>>>>>>>>> out, like whether to restrict diet in some way, whether to wear a
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> certain type of clothing, how to pray, etc. But none of these
>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>>>>>>> practices should be imposed on society as a whole.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Golden Rule may also be of use as a basic moral foundation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So yes, you can have a moral system, one that BTW protects the
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>>> to practice religious beliefs (or not), without basing it on any
>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> religion. And it can protect all religions better than a system
>>>>>>>>>>> based
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> any one religion (AKA a theocracy).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are other issues surrounding religions, such as the many
>>>>>>>>>>> examples
>>>>>>>>>>> of selfless dedication to helping others on the one hand, and
&g

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Re: New article [message #71594 is a reply to message #71591]

Mon, 21 August 2006 20:09

Jamie K

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gt;>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/17/06 7:12 PM, in article 450df091@linux, "Uptown Jimmy"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea that one needs to believe in a god in order to have a
>>>> strong
>>>>>>>>>> morals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is absurd, I think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jimmy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:C1325038.358D%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You probably didn't realize it (so no offense), but your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> response
>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much confirms my assertion that the tendency of our c

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Re: New article [message #71595 is a reply to message #71587]

Mon, 21 August 2006 20:27

chuck duffy
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ountry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world society, is to place blame for religious conflict,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> violence
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> religiously motivated terrorism anywhere but with the single
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> growing, and currently most violent religion in the world. We
>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>> car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bombings, suicide bombers, torched churches, thousands of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tortured
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> murdered, exiled and ostracized people in favor of blaming the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration for anything and everything, as if Bush made
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Pope
>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>&g

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Re: New article [message #71596 is a reply to message #71591]

Mon, 21 August 2006 20:36

Aaron Allen

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t;>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Byzantine emperor by going to war in Iraq.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Islam isn't the passive, peaceful, non-threatening,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all-accepting
>>>>>>>> religion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our country seems to blindly want to believe. Some western
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Muslims
>>>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, but just ask anyone who tried to believe in anything else
>>>> in
>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative Islamic countries of the world. I know, have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talked
>>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have heard missionaries to these countries speak - it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the free discussions and widely varying opinions we have
>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> die for converting to anything else, or their families do. At
>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> families disown them and they sneak out of the country under

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Re: New article [message #71598 is a reply to message #71595]

Mon, 21 August 2006 20:49

Dubya Mark Wilson

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64;Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>Thanks for the link. It looks like it might be a more interesting read
>> >>>than what you might expect of a book on probability theory.
>> >>>
>> >>>Without risk management there would be no insurance.
>> >>>
>> >>>Seems like we have some major risk management headaches ahead in the
>> >>>foreign relations area. I don't have much faith that our current
>> >>>government understands the situation or is capable of brokering a
>> >>>lasting and beneficial peace.
>> >>>
>> >>>Cheers,
>> >>> -Jamie
>> >>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>TCB wrote:
>> >>>> I never said faith was limited to religion _at all_ because that
>would
>> >> be
>> >>>> silly. I only bring this up because I think it's a very important
>point.
>> >>>> Nearly every time you read 'without faith there would be no XXXXXXXX'
>> >> it's
>> >>>> just not true and XXXXXXXX can get along just fine without faith.
>> >>>> Probably
>> >>>> the best popular book about risk is called 'Against the Gods' and
>it's
>> >> sort
>> >>>> of about this very topic.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
> http://www.amazon.com/Against-Gods-

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Re: New article [message #71604 is a reply to message #71566]

Tue, 22 August 2006 02:14

Kim
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Re: New article [message #71624 is a reply to message #71604]

Tue, 22 August 2006 11:31

DC
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gt;>>>> either,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or at least we wouldn't view the outcome as a good or bad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence
>>>>>>>>>>> - it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would just be another event in time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But by grace and as a gift of freedom, God gave us a choice,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in Him and whether to make right or wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>> With
>>>>>>>>>>> moral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutes (God's word) as a reference we have a way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> evaluate
>>>>> drastically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differing situations on an equivalent basis; with consistency
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>> reasoning
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and compassion; by choice and instinct rather than puppetry.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even
>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose to do wrong, He is willing to forgive us. Without that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose, balanced by God's grace and forgiveness, there would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>> no
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choosing to believe in Him. That's what makes God a personal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> loving
>>>>>>>>>>> God
>>>>>&g

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Re: New article [message #71634 is a reply to message #71624]

Tue, 22 August 2006 14:13

Dale

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>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best, all is lost for eternity. This is the paradox that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering, and yet the most fear-inducing thought is that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might believe in something other than nothing. Is no belief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than belief? What reference point for right and wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accompanies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disbelief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in anything higher than one's own decisions? What reference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> respect for other people's beliefs accompanies a lack of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guideline for living life and having respect and compassion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> others?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the administration's fault that the Pope quoted a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>> Islam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like just because he called like he saw it - something we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> forum
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every single day, ironically. It also isn't Christianity's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the world, or the government. Far from it. The only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goal
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people a chance to decide. Yet, those that wan

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Re: New article [message #71637 is a reply to message #71566]

Tue, 22 August 2006 15:14

Sarah

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">1@linux, "gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lennon"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to start another religious or political
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thread
>>>>> -...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are frightening times. While the true neocons in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have had a variety of political, financial and power-based
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons
>>>>>>>>>>

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Re: New article [message #71640 is a reply to message #71634]

Tue, 22 August 2006 15:19

DC
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gt;>>> terrorists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Translation - Due to his good work in God's name). A war
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depicts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as "a confrontation between good and evil."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In 2001 he used the word "crusade" and got into quite a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the Pope), but he seems to have the gloves off now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone imagine a worse direction for the world to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course he also believes in the Rapture, so things could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easily
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hill from here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> More on the "Third Awakening":
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09 /12/AR2006091201
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 59
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4_pf.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gene
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> `
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Great idea Chuck about the IF2 - use what's aval! If anyone needs an IF2
to experement with let me know...

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>
>Hey guys, there is another alternative :-)
>
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>
>Chuck
>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
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>>
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>>
>>
>>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>>news:451072ab@linux...
>>>I don't have the schematics. I'll check, though I did run this up the
>>> flagpole a while back and got no response..
>>>
>>> DJ
>>>
>>>
>>> "James McCloskey"

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