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| Re: A Paris reality check [message #59755 is a reply to message #59754] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 10:26   |
Pete Ruthenburg
Messages: 127
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>> >>other...<BR>>>> > The=3D20
>> >> problem is that I want to use =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>> >>effects as I=3D20
>> >> did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know=3D20
>> >> =3D3D<BR>>why=3D3D20<BR>> Paris doesn't let =3D
>> >>to...<BR>>>>=3D20
>> >> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D
>> >>
>> >> =3D
>> >>=3D3D<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>=3D
>> >>;>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20
>> >> =3D
>> >><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML><BR>>=3D
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>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I agree with Erlilo. Try =
>>different channels=20
>>or a different</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>submix if you can. Otherwise =
>>rebuilding the=20
>>mix from</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>scratch in a new project is the next =
>>best=20
>>bet. Copy all</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mixer settings and presets of effects =
>>to make it=20
>>easier.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>>t;=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:43908331$1@linux">news:43908331$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>Dimi=
>>trios,=20
>> You probably know this, but just to make sure...<BR>If you want to use
> =
>>stereo=20
>> native plugins, you can NOT have any mono plugins<BR>on those tracks.
> =
>>That=20
>> goes for native and EDS.<BR>Do you have any mono eds or native plugs =
>>also on=20
>> the stereo pair?<BR>Rod<BR>"Dimitrios" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>Dear Tom,<BR>>It is not the plugin under =
>>other song I=20
>> can open a stereo native effect.<BR>>In my project I cannot open =
>>ANY stereo=20
>> effect.<BR>>Even chainer only...<BR>>I can save my project no =
>>problem if=20
>> I don't use a stereo native effect.<BR>>ALSO on submix 3 I managed =
>>toopen a=20
>> stereo native effect but not on submix<BR>>1 or 4 , any suggestion=20
>> ?<BR>>Regards,<BR>>Dimitrios<BR>><BR>>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>Dimitrios,<BR>>>Are =
>>you saying=20
>> you can save before this stereo plugin<BR>>>is inserted? =
>>I'd say=20
>> you may have a rouge plugin that<BR>>>your wrapper or Paris just =
>>doesn't=20
>> like. Try the same thing<BR>>>in a different =
>>project. ie:=20
>> Same stereo plugin inserted<BR>>>on another stereo pair of =
>>tracks. =20
>> Now can you save?<BR>>>If so it may be your project. If =
>>not it's=20
>> probably your plugin.<BR>>><BR>>>Good=20
>> luck,<BR>>>Tom<BR>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> wrote in =
>>message=20
>> =3D<BR>>>news:43906b78$1@linux...<BR>>><BR>>> =
>>Thanks for=20
>> your suggestions.<BR>>> I have rendered using the hardware =
>>method=20
>> via adat and achieved one =3D<BR>>>nice<BR>>> =
>>compact stereo=20
>> track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved all=20
>> audio<BR>>=3D<BR>>>files<BR>>> on new folder and =
>>saved=20
>> under new name I used the clear missing =20
>> files<BR>>=3D<BR>>>just<BR>>> before that but =
>>again no luck=20
>> when I put a stereo native effect on =3D<BR>>>this=20
>> stereotrack<BR>>> even without hitting play when I =
>>try to=20
>> save assertion fails and =3D<BR>>>doesn't<B
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| Re: A Paris reality check [message #59768 is a reply to message #59761] |
Mon, 31 October 2005 17:55 |
uptown jimmy
Messages: 441
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f="mailto:erlilo@online.no" target="_blank">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@onlin=
>>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=20
>> wrote in =3D<BR>>>message <A=3D20<BR>>> =
>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f4d36=
>>@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=20
>> =3D20<BR>>> >>> Is it exactly the same length on =
>>each=20
>> stereo files or no=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> different<BR>=3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>>=20
>> >>in<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> >>> any of =
>>the stereo=20
>> objects?<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
>>>>><BR>>=20
>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
>> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios"=20
>> <<A=3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musurgio=
>>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=20
>> skrev i=3D20<BR>>> melding=3D3D20<BR>> =
>>>>>=20
>> <A=3D20<BR>>> =3D<BR>>>href=3D3D"<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D'news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR'>news:438f=
>>3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>=3D20<BR>>> >>> ><BR>> =
>>
>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
>>>>> > I=20
>> have almost finished my project mixing and when I =3D<BR>>>try=20
>> to=3D20<BR>>> put =
>>a<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>>=20
>> >>> > =3D<BR>>>stereo<BR>> =
>>=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =
>>
>> =3D<BR>>>audio=3D20<BR>>> track on any submix when I =
>>try to save=20
>> I =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> =
>>>=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>>>> >=3D20<BR>>> failed and =
>>cannot save=20
>> either on same name or other...<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
>> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as=20
>> =3D<BR>>>I did=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> before<BR>=3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =
>>>>don't<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>>>>=3D20<BR>>> > know why Paris =
>>doesn't let=20
>> to...<BR>> >>> >=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>>=20
>> =3D20<BR>>> >>><BR>> =
>>>>><BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>>><BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
>> >><BR>>=20
>> =
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>>R>><!DOCTYPE=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>>=
>><META=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type =
>>content=3D3D3D"text/html;=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =
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>> =3D<BR>>>content=3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D20<BR>>> =20
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>>YLE><BR>></HEA=3D<BR>>>D><BR>><BODY=3D=
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>> bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR&=
>>gt;><DIV><F=3D<BR>>>ONT=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. Don't=20
>> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>render=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> tracks=3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right=20
>> side=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=20
>> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> size=3D3D3D2>won't =
>></FONT><FONT=20
>> face=3D3D3DArial=20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D2>have=3D20<BR>>>&n=
>>bsp;=20
>> any=3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing =
>>is=20
>> =3D<BR>>>correct=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
>><FONT=20
>> =3D<BR>>>face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =
>>size=3D3D3D2>Some people=20
>> have problems with=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV>=
>>;<FONT=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> face=3D3D3DArial=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>>=
>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20<BR>=3D<BR>>>>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RI=
>>GHT:=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>=3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT:=20
>> =3D<BR>>>#000000 2px=3D20<BR>>> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
>>
>> 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo"=20
>> =3D<BR>>><<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no<=
>>/A>>=3D3D20'>mailto:erlil=3D<BR>>>o@online.no">erlilo@o=
>>nline.no</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>=20
>> =3D20<BR>>> wrote in message <A=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux&=
>>lt;/A>...</DIV>There'>n=3D<BR>>>ews:43900b57$1@linux"&g=
>>t;news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D<BR>>>ere</=
>>A><BR>=3D3D<BR>>you=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> have=3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
>>and=20
>> =3D<BR>>>look after=3D20<BR>>> that=20
>> <BR>each<BR>=3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair =
>>is=20
>> =3D<BR>>>starting and=3D20<BR>>> ending at the same =
>>places will=20
>> do the job=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D20<BR>> saving under a =
>>new name,=20
>> =3D<BR>>>just to be=3D20<BR>>> sure to go back if =
>>something are=20
>> =3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D20<BR>> =
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>> =3D20<BR>>> wrong again. If the time alignments are going =
>>wrong in=20
>> some of=3D20<BR>>> the=3D3D20<BR>> =
>><BR>stereofiles, you=20
>> can rendering the =3D<BR>>>old, hard=3D20<BR>>> way, =
>>as in=20
>> version 2,<BR>=3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>><BR>mixing down=3D20<BR>>> each =
>>stereopair with=20
>> panning hard left and right and=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other =
>>tracks. Then=20
>> =3D<BR>>>you can=3D20<BR>>> import them into the =
>>project=20
>> again<BR>=3D3D<BR>>on =
>>=3D<BR>>>their=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> old=3D20<BR>>> <BR>places and give them=20
>> new=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR&=
>>gt;<BR><BR>=3D<BR>>>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D20<BR>>> <<A =
>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr=
>></A'>mailto:musurgio=3D<BR>>>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.g=
>>r</A</A>>>=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D20<BR>> melding =
>><A=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>><BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux&=
>>lt;/A>...<BR>><BR>&=3D<BR>>>g'>news:439000=
>>f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D<BR>>>=
>>;><BR>&g</A>=3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D20<BR>>=
>>=20
>> =3D20<BR>>> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your =
>>replies.<BR>>=20
>> What I have =3D<BR>>>managed=3D20<BR>>> is to=20
>> =3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end =
>>for=20
>> =3D<BR>>>both audio=3D20<BR>>> files<BR>> =
>>just by=20
>> cutting at =
>>=3D<BR>>>=3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> pointy=3D20<BR>>> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit =
>>insight the=20
>> stereo tracks each of=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D20<BR>> different cut points =
>>and=20
>> =3D<BR>>><BR>>=3D20<BR>>> =
>>joint<BR>> points ,=20
>> does this=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>matter?<BR>>=3D20<BR>>> If you ask =
>>me why it=20
>> is because these tracks are not=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D20<BR>> stereo =
>>but<BR>> two=20
>> =3D<BR>>>takes of=3D20<BR>>> acoustic guitar playing =
>>so I had=20
>> =3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>different=3D20<BR>>> parts on =
>><BR>>=20
>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D20<BR>> on =
>>time.<BR>> I want=20
>> =3D<BR>>>a stereo=3D20<BR>>> effect because I wanna =
>>expand the=20
>> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>perspective=3D20<BR>>> of <BR>>=20
>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> hard=3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks=20
>> =3D<BR>>>compressor's=3D20<BR>>> stereo widening=20
>> =3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR>>=20
>> =3D<BR>>>Amazing=3D20<BR>>> stereo result with =
>>complete mono=20
>> compatibility , =3D3D<BR>>not=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> like=3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>>=20
>> at=3D20<BR>>> all...<BR>>=20
>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =20
>> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
>> "Ennio"=3D20<BR>>> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =
>>=3D<BR>>>href=3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net=
>></A>>=3D3D20'>mailto:e=3D<BR>>>nnio@galicorp.net">en=
>>nio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D<BR=
>>>>>bsp;=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides=20
>> =3D<BR>>>of the=3D20<BR>>> =20
>> =3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D20<BR>> file must=20
>> be<BR>>=3D20<BR>>> at<BR>>>the =
>>identical spot -=20
>> down to the=3D20<BR>>> =
>>=3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D20<BR>>=20
>> (the furthest down you can go=3D20<BR>>> on<BR>>=20
>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D20<BR>> =3D20<BR>>> =
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| Re: A Paris reality check [message #59776 is a reply to message #59768] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 05:42 |
John [1]
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8$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>=
>Than=3D
> >>'>news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=3D
> >>;<BR>Than</A>=3D3D<BR>>>ks=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =3D
> >>method=3D20
> >> via<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>adat=3D3D20<BR>>> and achieved one =3D
> >>
> >> nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>guitars, I=3D20
> >> even=3D3D20<BR>>> saved all audio files<BR>on new =3D
> >>folder and=3D20
> >> saved under new name I =3D
> >>used<BR>>=3D3D<BR>>>the=3D3D20<BR>>> clear=3D20
> >> missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when I=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>put a=3D3D20<BR>>> stereo native effect on =3D
> >>this=3D20
> >> stereotrack<BR>even without hitting =3D3D<BR>>>play=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> when I try to save assertion fails and=3D20
> >> doesn't<BR>allow of any save=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>!<BR>Note=3D3D20<BR>>> that assertion =3D
> >>failure=3D20
> >> appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom =3D
> >>Bruhl"=3D20
> >> <<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20'>=
>mailto=3D
> >>:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20</A><BR>&g=3D
> >>t;> =3D20
> >> =3D
> >>wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>R=3D
> >>endering=3D20
> >> is your=3D3D20<BR>>> answer. Don't render tracks with =3D
> >>plugins.=3D20
> >> In=3D3D20<BR>>> stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>the right =3D
> >>
> >> side=3D3D3D20<BR>>won't have any =3D3D<BR>>>effect.=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> Double check to see that their timing is=3D20
> >> =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>correct<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D
> >>=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> =3D
> >>"erlilo"=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>><<A=3D3D20<BR>>> href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erlilo@o=
>nlin=3D
> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> wrote in =3D3D<BR>>>message <A=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR'>news:=
>4390=3D
> >>0b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR</A>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>> There=3D3D20<BR>>> you have the problem. I =3D
> >>think=3D20
> >> rendering the tracks and look=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>=3D3D3D<BR>>after=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> that=3D3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at =3D
> >>the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>same=3D3D20<BR>>> places will do=3D20
> >> the<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D3D20<BR>> when saving=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>under a new=3D3D20<BR>>> name, just to be =3D
> >>sure to go back=3D20
> >> if =3D
> >>=3D3D<BR>>>something<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D3D20<BR >=3D
> >>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D20<BR>>> going wrong again. If the time alignments are =3D
> >>going=3D20
> >> wrong in some of=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
> >> stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D3D<BR>>>old, =3D
> >>hard=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D20
> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D
> >>mixing down=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>each=3D3D20<BR>>> stereopair with panning =3D
> >>hard left and=3D20
> >> right and =3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>all=3D3D3D20<BR>>=3D20
> >> other tracks. Then you can import them into the=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>project=3D3D20<BR>>> again on=3D20
> >> their<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D3D20<BR>> places and =3D
> >>give=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>them new=3D3D20<BR>>> =3D
> >>names.<BR>><BR>>=3D20
> >> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20<BR>>> <<A =3D
> >>href=3D3D3D"<A=3D20
> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:musu=
>rgio=3D
> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D20
> >> =3D3D<BR>>>skrev i=3D3D20<BR>>> melding=3D20Thanks for you insight...
I have a major problem with this cause some of the tracks of submix 1` cannot
be rendered neither with no native plugins...
Is there any tip using the digital spdif in out to have all in time and alligned
?
I have read that spdif out-in is 1 sample latent.
The problem is that I have to record via spdif via actual levels and then
when I import should leave them at 0 point level, right ?
or do it the other way around ?
REgards,
Dimitrios
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Dimitrios,
>Sorry I had a gig last night. Do as Erling suggested regarding =
>rendering
>all tracks and copying to a new folder. Start a new Paris project and =
>call
>it something different. Go to audio window and import all newly =
>rendered
>files you need. Set a new record path too. Make sure saves work after
=
>each step. =20
>In original project make sure all effects being used have been saved =
>individually. In old project
>copy all mixer settings in Mixer A (You discovered this last week!), =
>open new project and paste=20
>all mixer settings in its Mixer A. Try to save right after this and =
>every step. Close Mixer A in new project
>then reopen it. This should make all the plugins 'appear'. Just a =
>quirky Paris thing.
>Now get those presets working in each plugin. Try a save. If all is =
>well do these same steps
>across all Submixes until all Mixers/plugins are the same as original =
>project. Try a save.
>Now might be a good time to try your stereo plugin that causes your =
>problem in the old
>project. If after it's installed in the new one, you can save then =
>you're almost out of the woods.
>
>If you were using automation you will need to copy that too. Go to =
>Automation Editor A in old project.
>Select Volume, Set Now Line to beginning of project. Use 'Select All' =
>command or drag
>across all 16 tracks with mouse to highlight everything. Control C =
>(copy). Go to new project,
>put Now Line at beginning of project in Automation Editor and make sure
=
>active track is the first one that was active
>on the old project when copying. Otherwise your data may paste a track =
>or two off. The effects
>return automation has to be done separately from tracks. After this, go
=
>to original project and select Mute.
>Copy paste etc.. Repeat these steps on all auto editors that were being
=
>used.
>
>It sounds harder than it really is. Remember to try saving between each
=
>step in new project.
>If at any time it doesn't want to save, you have found out why there is
=
>a problem. Possibly
>an unknown bug. =20
>
>Good luck. You'll be a better man for it!
>Tom
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43918529@linux...
> Dimitros
>
> My way of doing this is:
> Have Paris closed,
> make a new folder on the audio harddisk with Explorer or something=20
> similar(I'm using TotalCommander).
> Copy ONLY waves or/and PAF files from the old project into the new =
>folder.
> Start a new project in Paris.
> Import from the new folder all the Waves and PAF files you need into =
>the new=20
> project and set the path to the new project.
> In Ediit menu, set the files into the subgroups and channels you wish.
> Now you have a new project without any old, saved information at all =
>to=20
> start from scratch.
> It's important that all files are rendered to start from zero in the =
>old=20
> project.
>
> If this doesn't help and the earlier rendered stereofiles have =
>absolutelly=20
> correct lenghts, I can't think of other things than plugin problems.
>
> Hope this can help to explain my way of doing something with this kind
=
>of=20
> problems.
>
> Erling
>
> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> skrev i melding =
>news:43917c01$1@linux...
> >
> >
> > Sory if I ask much but the way I do the project rebuild does not =
>help.
> > How do you do a rebuild ?
> > I just go to audio folder export audio objects or wave files under a
=
>new
> > folder then save the new song and then reopen from new folder.
> > I guess you might refer to something different here right ?
> > Can you explain your way ?
> > Thanks
> > Regards,
> > Dimitrios
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>Dimitrios,
> >>I agree with Erlilo. Try different channels or a different
> >>submix if you can. Otherwise rebuilding the mix from
> >>scratch in a new project is the next best bet. Copy all
> >>mixer settings and presets of effects to make it easier.
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =3D
> >>news:43908331$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Dimitrios, You probably know this, but just to make sure...
> >> If you want to use stereo native plugins, you can NOT have any =
>mono =3D
> >>plugins
> >> on those tracks. That goes for native and EDS.
> >> Do you have any mono eds or native plugs also on the stereo pair?
> >> Rod
> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Dear Tom,
> >> >It is not the plugin under other song I can open a stereo native
=
>=3D
> >>effect.
> >> >In my project I cannot open ANY stereo effect.
> >> >Even chainer only...
> >> >I can save my project no problem if I don't use a stereo native =
>=3D
> >>effect.
> >> >ALSO on submix 3 I managed toopen a stereo native effect but not
=
>on =3D
> >>submix
> >> >1 or 4 , any suggestion ?
> >> >Regards,
> >> >Dimitrios
> >> >
> >> >"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Dimitrios,
> >> >>Are you saying you can save before this stereo plugin
> >> >>is inserted? I'd say you may have a rouge plugin that
> >> >>your wrapper or Paris just doesn't like. Try the same thing
> >> >>in a different project. ie: Same stereo plugin inserted
> >> >>on another stereo pair of tracks. Now can you save?
> >> >>If so it may be your project. If not it's probably your plugin.
> >> >>
> >> >>Good luck,
> >> >>Tom
> >> >> "Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message =3D3D
> >> >>news:43906b78$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your suggestions.
> >> >> I have rendered using the hardware method via adat and =
>achieved =3D
> >>one =3D3D
> >> >>nice
> >> >> compact stereo track with my acoustic guitars, I even saved =
>all =3D
> >>audio
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>files
> >> >> on new folder and saved under new name I used the clear =
>missing =3D
> >>files
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>just
> >> >> before that but again no luck when I put a stereo native =
>effect on
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>this stereotrack
> >> >> even without hitting play when I try to save assertion fails
=
>and
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>doesn't
> >> >> allow of any save !
> >> >> Note that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve ...
> >> >> rEGARDS,
> >> >> dIMITRIOS
> >> >>
> >> >> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Dimitrios,
> >> >> >Rendering is your answer. Don't render tracks with plugins.
=
>In
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>stereo
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >the right side=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >won't have any effect. Double check to see that their timing
=
>is
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>correct
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >too.
> >> >> >Some people have problems with that.
> >> >> >Tom
> >> >> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message =3D3D
> >> >>news:43900b57$1@linux...
> >> >> > There you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
>and =3D
> >>look
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >after that=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > each stereopair is starting and ending at the same places =
>will
> > =3D
> >>do
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>the
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >job=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > when saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if
=
>=3D3D
> >> >>something
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >are=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong =
>in =3D
> >>some
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>of =3D3D3D
> >> >> >the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in =
>version
> > =3D
> >>2,
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >when=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > mixing down e
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| Re: A Paris reality check [message #59779 is a reply to message #59776] |
Tue, 01 November 2005 08:22 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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|
; >> >> > >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =
>try =3D
> >>to =3D3D
> >> >>put a
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >>> > stereo
> >> >> > >>> > native
> >> >> > >>> > effect on any audio track on any submix when I try to
=
>=3D
> >>save I
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >always
> >> >> > > get
> >> >> > >>> > assertion
> >> >> > >>> > failed and cannot save either on same name or =
>other...
> >> >> > >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as I
=
>did
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>before
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >but
> >> >> > >>don't
> >> >> > >>> > know why Paris doesn't let to...
> >> >> > >>> > Regards,
> >> >> > >>> > Dimitrios
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 =
>Transitional//EN">
> >> >> ><HTML><HEAD>
> >> >> ><META http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
>content=3D3D3D3D"text/html; =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >> >> ><META content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =
>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >> >> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> >> ></HEAD>
> >> >> ><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =
>size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is =
>your =3D
> >>answer. Don't
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >render tracks=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >with plugins. In stereo the right side </FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>won't =
></FONT><FONT =3D3D
> >> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D3D
> >> >> >size=3D3D3D3D2>have any=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >effect. Double check to see that their timing is correct =
>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >too.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Some people have
=
>=3D
> >>problems with
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >that.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >> >> ><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20
> >> >> >style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; =
>MARGIN-LEFT:
> > =3D
> >>5px;
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> >> > <DIV>"erlilo" <<A =3D3D3D
> >> >> =
>>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > wrote in message <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DI=
>V>Th=3D
> >>ere
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >you have=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look after =
>that =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >><BR>each
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >
> >> >> > stereopair is starting and ending at the same places will =
>do =3D
> >>the =3D3D
> >> >>job =3D3D3D
> >> >> ><BR>when=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > saving under a new name, just to be sure to go back if =3D
> >>something =3D3D
> >> >>are =3D3D3D
> >> >> ><BR>going=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some
=
>of
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>the=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the old, hard way, as in
=
>=3D
> >>version
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>2,
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >when=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>mixing down each stereopair with panning hard left and
=
>=3D
> >>right =3D3D
> >> >>and =3D3D3D
> >> >> >muting=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > all <BR>other tracks. Then you can import them into the =
>project
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>again
> >> >> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >on their=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > old <BR>places and give them new =3D3D3D
> >> >> >names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <<A =3D
> >>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =
>=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >skrev i=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > melding <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>>><B=3D
> >>R>&g=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >t;=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have managed
=
>is =3D
> >>to =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >have=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > the same start and end for both audio files<BR>> just by =
>=3D
> >>cutting at
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >cursor=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > pointy on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks
=
>each
> > =3D
> >>of
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >themhas=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > different cut points and <BR>> joint<BR>> points , does =3D
> >>this=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > matter?<BR>> If you ask me why it is because these tracks =
>are =3D
> >>not
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >actually=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereo but<BR>> two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I =
>had =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >tomove=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > different parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks =
>to =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >make them=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > on time.<BR>> I want a stereo effect because I wanna expand
=
>the
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > perspective of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and =3D
> >>hard=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks compressor's stereo =
>widening
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >knob ??=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > !!<BR>> Amazing stereo result with complete mono =
>compatibility
> > =3D
> >>, =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >not like=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at all...<BR>> =
>Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D=
>20
> >> >> > wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides of
=
>the
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > file must be<BR>> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the
=
>=3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >sample=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > (the furthest down you can go on<BR>> =
>the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =3D
> >>wrote in
> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >message <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D
> =
>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>>>>
=
>=3D
> >>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >Is it=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > exactly the same length on each stereo files or no =3D
> >>different=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > holes<BR>>>in<BR>>>> any of the stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > objects?<BR>>>><BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Erling<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =
>href=3D3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
> > =3D
> >>skrev
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>i =3D3D3D
> >> >> >melding=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR>>>> <A=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>>href=3D3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR=
>>>>&=3D
> >>g=3D3D3D=3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> >t;=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > ><BR>>>> > Hi,<BR>>>> > I have almost =3D3D3D
> >> >> >finished my=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > project mixing and when I try to put a <BR>>>> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > stereo<BR>>>> > native<BR>>>> > effect on any =3D3D3D
> >> >> >audio=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > track on any submix when I try to save I always<BR>> =
>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >get<BR>>>>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > > assertion<BR>>>> > failed and cannot save either on =
>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >same name=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > or other...<BR>>>> > The problem is that I want to use =
>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >stereo=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > effects as I did before but<BR>>>don't<BR>>>> > know =
>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >why=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > Paris doesn't let to...<BR>>>> > Regards,<BR>>>> =3D3D3D
> >> >> >>=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > =3D3D3D
> >> >> >Dimitrios<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>><BR>>><BR>>=3D3D3D
> >> >> >=3D3D3D20
> >> >> > <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> >> >><HTML><HEAD>
> >> >><META http-equiv=3D3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D3D"text/html; =
>=3D3D
> >> >>charset=3D3D3Diso-8859-1">
> >> >><META content=3D3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" =
>name=3D3D3DGENERATOR>
> >> >><STYLE></STYLE>
> >> >></HEAD>
> >> >><BODY bgColor=3D3D3D#ffffff>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Are you saying you can
=
>save =3D
> >>before this
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> >>plugin</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>is inserted? I'd say =
>you may =3D
> >>have =3D3D
> >> >>a rouge=3D3D20
> >> >>plugin that</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>your wrapper or Paris =
>just =3D
> >>doesn't =3D3D
> >> >>like. Try=3D3D20
> >> >>the same thing</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>in a different project.
=
>ie: =3D
> >>Same =3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> >>plugin inserted</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>on another stereo pair
=
>of =3D
> >>tracks. =3D3D
> >> >>Now can you=3D3D20
> >> >>save?</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>If so it may be your =
>project. =3D
> >>If =3D3D
> >> >>not it's=3D3D20
> >> >>probably your plugin.</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Good luck,</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> >> >><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D20
> >> >>style=3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:
=
>5px;
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> >> >> <DIV>"Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
=
>wrote
> > =3D
> >>in =3D3D
> >> >>message=3D3D20
> >> >> <A =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D"news:43906b78$1@linux">news:43906b78$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
><BR>=3D
> >>Than=3D3D
> >> >>ks=3D3D20
> >> >> for your suggestions.<BR>I have rendered using the hardware =
>method
> > =3D
> >>via
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>adat=3D3D20
> >> >> and achieved one nice<BR>compact stereo track with my acoustic
=
>=3D3D
> >> >>guitars, I even=3D3D20
> >> >> saved all audio files<BR>on new folder and saved under new =
>name I
> > =3D
> >>used
> >> >=3D3D
> >> >>the=3D3D20
> >> >> clear missing files just<BR>before that but again no luck when
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>I =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>put a=3D3D20
> >> >> stereo native effect on this stereotrack<BR>even without =
>hitting =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>play =3D3D20
> >> >> when I try to save assertion fails and doesn't<BR>allow of any
=
>=3D
> >>save =3D3D
> >> >>!<BR>Note=3D3D20
> >> >> that assertion failure appears ONLY when I hit SAve=3D3D20
> >> >> ...<BR>rEGARDS,<BR>dIMITRIOS<BR><BR>"Tom Bruhl" <<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D
> =
>>>href=3D3D3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>>=3D3D20=
>
> >> >> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>>Dimitrios,<BR>>Rendering is your=3D3D20
> >> >> answer. Don't render tracks with plugins. In=3D3D20
> >> >> stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>the right side=3D3D3D20<BR>>won't have =
>any =3D3D
> >> >>effect. =3D3D20
> >> >> Double check to see that their timing is =3D3D
> >> >>correct<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>too.<BR>>Some=3D3D20
> >> >> people have problems with that.<BR>>Tom<BR>> "erlilo" =3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
>wrote in
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>message <A=3D3D20
> >>
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Tue, 01 November 2005 07:42 |
uptown jimmy
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; >> =3D3D
> >> =
>>>href=3D3D3D"news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >> There=3D3D20
> >> >> you have the problem. I think rendering the tracks and look =
>=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>after=3D3D20
> >> >> that=3D3D3D20<BR>> each stereopair is starting and ending at =
>the =3D3D
> >> >>same=3D3D20
> >> >> places will do the<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>job=3D3D3D20<BR>> when =
>saving =3D3D
> >> >>under a new=3D3D20
> >> >> name, just to be sure to go back if =3D3D
> >> >>something<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>are=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> going wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in =
>some
> > =3D
> >>of=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>the=3D3D3D20<BR>> stereofiles, you can rendering =
>the =3D3D
> >> >>old, hard=3D3D20
> >> >> way, as in version 2, =3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> mixing =
>down =3D3D
> >> >>each=3D3D20
> >> >> stereopair with panning hard left and right and =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D20
> >> >> all=3D3D3D20<BR>> other tracks. Then you can import them into
=
>the =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>project=3D3D20
> >> >> again on their<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>old=3D3D3D20<BR>> places and =
>give =3D3D
> >> >>them new=3D3D20
> >> >> names.<BR>><BR>> Erling<BR>><BR>><BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D20
> >> >> <<A =
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>> =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>skrev i=3D3D20
> >> >> melding =3D3D3D<BR>>news:439000f1$1@linux...<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>><BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> > Hi,<BR>> > Thanks for your replies.<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>> What I=3D3D20
> >> >> have managed is to have the same start and end for both=3D3D20
> >> >> audio<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>files<BR>> > just by cutting at cursor =
>=3D3D
> >> >>pointy on=3D3D20
> >> >> both tracks.<BR>> > Buit insight the stereo tracks each of =
>=3D3D
> >> >>themhas=3D3D20
> >> >> different cut points<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>and=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D
> >> >>joint<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> > points , does this matter?<BR>> > If you ask me why =3D3D
> >> >>it is=3D3D20
> >> >> because these tracks are not actually =3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> > two takes of acoustic guitar playing so I had tomove =3D
> >>different=3D3D20
> >> >> parts<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>on=3D3D3D20<BR>> > each<BR>> > =3D3D
> >> >>of the=3D3D20
> >> >> "stereo" tracks to make them on time.<BR>> > I want a =3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> >> effect because I wanna expand the stereo=3D3D20
> >> >> perspective<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>of=3D3D3D20<BR>> > =3D3D
> >> >>them<BR>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> pl;aying hard left and hard right.<BR>> > Have you tried =3D3D
> >> >>T-racks=3D3D20
> >> >> compressor's stereo widening knob ?? !!<BR>> > Amazing =3D3D
> >> >>stereo=3D3D20
> >> >> result with complete mono compatibility , not like=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>waves=3D3D3D20<BR>> > imager<BR>> > at=3D3D20
> >> >> all...<BR>> > Cheers,<BR>> > =3D3D
> >> >>DImitrios<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> ><BR>> ><BR>> > "Ennio" <<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =
>href=3D3D3D"mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D20
> >> >> wrote:<BR>> >>The in-points (and out-points) on both =3D3D
> >> >>sides of=3D3D20
> >> >> the stereo file must<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>be<BR>> > =3D3D
> >> >>at<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>the identical spot - down to the sample (the furthest down =
>you =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>can=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>go on<BR>> > the<BR>> >>zoom=3D3D20
> >> >> tool)<BR>> >><BR>> >>"erlilo" <<A=3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>> =
>wrote in
> > =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>message <A=3D3D20
> >> >> =
>href=3D3D3D"news:438f4d36@linux">news:438f4d36@linux</A>...<BR>> =3D
> >>=3D3D20
> >> >> >>> Is it exactly the same length on each stereo files or =
>no=3D3D20
> >> >> different<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>holes<BR>> >>in<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>> any of the stereo objects?<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>> Erling<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>> "Dimitrios" <<A=3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D"mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A>>
=
>skrev
> > =3D
> >>i=3D3D20
> >> >> melding=3D3D3D20<BR>> >>> <A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =
>>>href=3D3D3D"news:438f3760$1@linux">news:438f3760$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
>=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D20
> >> >> >>> ><BR>> >>> > Hi,<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > I have almost finished my project mixing and when I =
>=3D3D
> >> >>try to=3D3D20
> >> >> put a<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> >>> > =3D3D
> >> >>stereo<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > native<BR>> >>> > effect on any =3D3D
> >> >>audio=3D3D20
> >> >> track on any submix when I try to save I =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>always<BR>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> get<BR>> >>> > assertion<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>>>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> failed and cannot save either on same name or other...<BR>> =
>=3D3D20
> >> >> >>> > The problem is that I want to use stereo effects as =
>=3D3D
> >> >>I did=3D3D20
> >> >> before<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>but<BR>> >>don't<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> > know why Paris doesn't let to...<BR>> >>> >=3D3D20
> >> >> Regards,<BR>> >>> > Dimitrios<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >>><BR>> >>><BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>>><BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> >><BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>>=3D3D3D20<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><!DOCTYPE=3D3D20
> >> >> HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0=3D3D20
> >> >> Transitional//EN"><BR>><HTML><HEAD><BR>><META=3D3D20
> >> >> http-equiv=3D3D3D3DContent-Type =
>content=3D3D3D3D"text/html;=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>charset=3D3D3D3Diso-8859-1"><BR>><META =3D3D
> >> >>content=3D3D3D3D"MSHTML=3D3D20
> >> >> 6.00.2800.1400"=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >>name=3D3D3D3DGENERATOR><BR>><STYLE></STYLE><BR>></HEA=3D3D
> >> >>D><BR>><BODY=3D3D20
> >> >> bgColor=3D3D3D3D#ffffff><BR>><DIV><FONT =
>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >>size=3D3D3D3D2>Dimitrios,</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><F=3D3D
> >> >>ONT=3D3D20
> >> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial size=3D3D3D3D2>Rendering is your answer. =
>Don't =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>render=3D3D20
> >> >> tracks=3D3D3D20<BR>>with plugins. In stereo the right =
>side=3D3D20
> >> >> </FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>won't </FONT><FONT face=3D3D3D3DArial =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>size=3D3D3D3D2>have=3D3D20
> >> >> any=3D3D3D20<BR>>effect. Double check to see that their timing
=
>is =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>correct=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>too.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT =3D3D
> >> >>face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> >> size=3D3D3D3D2>Some people have problems with=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>that.</FONT></DIV><BR>><DIV><FONT=3D3D20
> >> >> face=3D3D3D3DArial=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =
>>>size=3D3D3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV><BR>><BLOCKQUOTE=3D3D3D20 <BR>=3D3D
> >> >>>style=3D3D3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT:=3D3D20
> >> >> 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>=3D3D3D<BR>>BORDER-LEFT: =3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>#000000 2px=3D3D20
> >> >> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><BR>> <DIV>"erlilo" =3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20'>=
>mailto=3D
> >>:erlil=3D3D
> >> >>o@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A>>=3D3D3D20</A><BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> wrote in message <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>=
>Ther=3D
> >>e'>n=3D3D
> >> >>ews:43900b57$1@linux">news:43900b57$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Th=3D3D
> >> >>ere</A><BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>you=3D3D20
> >> >> have=3D3D3D20<BR>> the problem. I think rendering the tracks =
>and =3D3D
> >> >>look after=3D3D20
> >> >> that <BR>each<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>> stereopair is =3D3D
> >> >>starting and=3D3D20
> >> >> ending at the same places will do the job=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>><BR>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> saving under a new name, =
>=3D3D
> >> >>just to be=3D3D20
> >> >> sure to go back if something are =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>><BR>going=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> wrong again. If the time alignments are going wrong in some =
>=3D
> >>of=3D3D20
> >> >> the=3D3D3D20<BR>> <BR>stereofiles, you can rendering the =3D3D
> >> >>old, hard=3D3D20
> >> >> way, as in version 2,<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>when=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >><BR>mixing down=3D3D20
> >> >> each stereopair with panning hard left and right and=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>muting=3D3D3D20<BR>> all <BR>other tracks. Then =
>=3D3D
> >> >>you can=3D3D20
> >> >> import them into the project again<BR>=3D3D3D<BR>>on =3D3D
> >> >>their=3D3D3D20<BR>> old=3D3D20
> >> >> <BR>places and give them new=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>names.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR><BR>=3D3D
> >> >>"Dimitrios"=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> <<A href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:musurgio@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A'>mailto:=
>musu=3D
> >>rgio=3D3D
> >> >>@otenet.gr">musurgio@otenet.gr</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>skrev i=3D3D3D20<BR>> melding <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =
>=3D3D
> >> >>
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>><=
>BR>&=3D
> >>=3D3D
> >> >>g'>news:439000f1$1@linux">news:439000f1$1@linux</A>...<BR>=3D3D
> >> >>><BR>&g</A>=3D3D3D<BR>>t;=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> Hi,<BR>> Thanks for your replies.<BR>> What I have =3D3D
> >> >>managed=3D3D20
> >> >> is to =3D3D3D<BR>>have=3D3D3D20<BR>> the same start and end =
>for =3D3D
> >> >>both audio=3D3D20
> >> >> files<BR>> just by cutting at =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>cursor=3D3D3D20<BR>> pointy=3D3D20
> >> >> on both tracks.<BR>> Buit insight the stereo tracks each =
>of=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>themhas=3D3D3D20<BR>> different cut points and =
>=3D3D
> >> >><BR>>=3D3D20
> >> >> joint<BR>> points , does this=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>matter?<BR>>=3D3D20
> >> >> If you ask me why it is because these tracks are not=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>actually=3D3D3D20<BR>> stereo but<BR>> two =3D3D
> >> >>takes of=3D3D20
> >> >> acoustic guitar playing so I had =
>=3D3D3D<BR>>tomove=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>different=3D3D20
> >> >> parts on <BR>> each<BR>> of the "stereo" tracks to=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>make them=3D3D3D20<BR>> on time.<BR>> I want =3D3D
> >> >>a stereo=3D3D20
> >> >> effect because I wanna expand the =
>=3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>perspective=3D3D20
> >> >> of <BR>> them<BR>> pl;aying hard left and=3D3D20
> >> >> hard=3D3D3D20<BR>> right.<BR>> Have you tried T-racks =3D3D
> >> >>compressor's=3D3D20
> >> >> stereo widening =3D3D3D<BR>>knob ??=3D3D3D20<BR>> !!<BR>> =
>=3D3D
> >> >>Amazing=3D3D20
> >> >> stereo result with complete mono compatibility , =3D
> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>not=3D3D20
> >> >> like=3D3D3D20<BR>> waves <BR>> imager<BR>> at=3D3D20
> >> >> all...<BR>> Cheers,<BR>>=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> DImitrios<BR>><BR>><BR>> "Ennio"=3D3D20
> >> >> <<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:ennio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D=
>20'>ma=3D
> >>ilto:e=3D3D
> >> =
>>>nnio@galicorp.net">ennio@galicorp.net</A>>=3D3D3D20</A><BR>>&n=3D3D
> >> >>bsp;=3D3D20
> >> >> wrote:<BR>>>The in-points (and out-points) on both sides =3D3D
> >> >>of the=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>stereo=3D3D3D20<BR>> file must be<BR>>=3D3D20
> >> >> at<BR>>>the identical spot - down to the=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D3D<BR>>sample=3D3D3D20<BR>> (the furthest down you can =
>go=3D3D20
> >> >> on<BR>> the<BR>>>zoom=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> tool)<BR>>><BR>>>"erlilo" =3D3D
> >> >><<A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D20
> >> >> href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >> =3D3D
> >> =3D
> =
>>>>>href=3D3D3D'mailto:erlilo@online.no">erlilo@online.no</A'>mailto:erli=
>lo@o=3D
> >>nlin=3D3D
> >> >>e.no">erlilo@online.no</A</A>>>=3D3D20
> >> >> wrote in =3D3D3D<BR>>message <A=3D3D3D20<BR>> =3D3D
> >> >>=3D3D3D<BR>>href=3D3D3D3D"<A=3D3D20
> >> >
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