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| Re: portland, oregon - drummer looking for work [message #93146 is a reply to message #93104] |
Wed, 28 November 2007 03:30   |
Sarah
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>>> There has to be a reason Apple only has a minority share of the
>>> personal computer market... ;-)
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>> There are many reasons. It would take too long to recount the history
>> here.
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>>> I wasn't trying to knock Apple, and I'm not attached to my PCs (other
>>> than the significant investment in software that is costly to replace
>>> or crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's reasoning is based
>>> on the fact that he's enamoured with the chique (sp?) of Apple,
>>> rather than just getting what he needs, and that without a mystical,
>>> glorious Keynote unveiling of trend setting products, that chique
>>> doesn't last long.
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>> Poor guy. But his claims went beyond that. I zinged him for his
>> hyperbole.
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>>> Imho, that chique is hurting consumers as it keeps Apple's product
>>> prices higher, with less range of price point competition, but for
>>> Apple customers, price doesn't seem to be a concern.
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| Re: portland, oregon - drummer looking for work [message #93147 is a reply to message #93104] |
Wed, 28 November 2007 03:34 |
Sarah
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;> Maybe for some, but not overall. Apple is competing on features and
>> implementation. And even, lately, on price.
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>>> Basically Apple has its' customers right where it wants them. Imho,
>>> it should be the other way around, and then we would truly have more
>>> choices.
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>> Choice is good. Competition is good.
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>> Apple no more has its customers where it wants them than Microsoft has
>> theirs well thumbed over. For example you yourself are trapped in
>> Microsoftland by your committed investments there.
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>>> re: BeOS.... same here.
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>> Yep. Sigh... Yet another reason to mistrust Apple, to an extent, and
>> Microsoft to a much larger extent.
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>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>>> Dedric
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>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4790eeca@linux...
>>>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>>> Shelly's complaints, however generalized, pretty much echo that of
>>>>> every PC user who's passed on going the Mac route:
>>>>> There is one price point
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| Re: portland, oregon - drummer looking for work [message #93151 is a reply to message #93104] |
Wed, 28 November 2007 10:16 |
Mark McDermott
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Location: Portland, OR
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commodity MSWindows boxes
>>>> would be less motivated to give you stuff you like. So keep buying
>>>> what moves you, be it Apple or someone else.
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>>>>> The same is true of desktops. So his point is based on his opening
>>>>> comments about being enamoured with all things Apple.
>>>>> Sure, he could have gone cheaper, but money is hardly a concern for
>>>>> Shelly considering his success - it's just a reference point
>>>>> that he could have spent 1/3 of what he did and accomplished the
>>>>> same amount of work, but being enamoured with Apple, he goes for
>>>>> the gold instead. In other words, he's a victim of clever
>>>>> marketing - getting you to buy way more than you need or want.
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>>>> I can't speak for him, but I didn't buy way more than I need or
>>>> want, and I have a Mac.
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>>>>> When you have the option to pay $1000 or less and get the same job
>>>>> done (depending on what job you are trying to accomplish of
>>>>> course), vs. going with a brand mainly to be brand loyal and hip
>>>>> while having no choice under $2-4k or more, how else do you
>>>>> evaluate the two options?
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>>>> If you're implying that the
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| Re: portland, oregon - drummer looking for work [message #93171 is a reply to message #93151] |
Thu, 29 November 2007 01:45 |
Sarah
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ally just referring to the fact that with every Mac release,
>>>there
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>>>are three desktop models,
>>>usually starting at $2k and going up - this round, $2799 is the starting
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>>>price, and only options for dual quad cores,
>>>no range below that for people who don't need "blinding speed" to write
>> book
>>>reports ;-).
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>>>There are 2 laptop model choices, ranging between $1100 and $2800 for
one
>> of
>>>the six base models. In the PC world
>>>there are choices in each category at pretty much every $100 increment,
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>>>starting at $300 and going up to $10k+. Not that I would buy a $300
>>>desktop, but I still come back to the laptop I'm typing this on, costing
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>>>significantly less than the least expensive Macbook (current) and only
a
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>>>slightly slower cpu (since it's a model from early last year), for $400
>> less
>>>than the comparable Macbook, but otherwise, pretty much identical (it
does
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>>>have a partially aluminum case, and feels better than the Macbooks I've
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>>>tried).
>>>
>>>There has to be a reason Apple only has a minority share of the personal
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>>>computer market... ;-)
>>>
>>>I wasn't trying to knock Apple, and I'm not attached to my PCs (other
than
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>>>the significant investment in software that is costly to replace or
>>>crossgrade) - just saying that imho, Shelly's reasoning is based on the
>> fact
>>>that he's enamoured with the chique (sp?) of Apple, rather than just
>>>getting
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>>>what he needs, and that without a mystical, glorious Keynote unveiling
of
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>>>trend setting products, that chique doesn't la
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| Re: portland, oregon - drummer looking for work [message #93176 is a reply to message #93171] |
Thu, 29 November 2007 11:09 |
Mark McDermott
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Location: Portland, OR
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eOS but that choice
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>>>> was torpedoed.
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>>>>> His comparison may not be technically fair on the Air, but he is right
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>>>>> when it comes down to getting the job done, any advantage to Air vs
a
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>>>>> regular laptop fade away pretty quickly, and you are left with a much
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>>>>> smaller drive for a lot more money.
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>>>> Obviously the Air made compromises in order to be thin and light. This
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>>>> will only be a benefit for those to whom thin and light is a compelling
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>>>> enough advantage to outweigh (so to speak) any down side. :^)
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>>>> It's a narrowly aimed product, and I'm not surprised that people outside
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>>>> of the target market miss the point. I think he phoned it in because
he
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>>>> complained about non-Air-specific-issues, blatantly exaggerating to
do
>> so,
>>>> while missing real issues with the Air.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4790ddca$1@linux...
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>>>>>> A good read but not a great analysis. He phoned it in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "I'm walking around with a $4,700 MacBook Pro laptop that could easily
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>>>>>> be replaced by $1,500 Windows kit."
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>>>>>> If price were the issue, he would have paid a lot less for the MacBook
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>>>>>> Pro and added 3rd party RAM at considerable savings. So he blows his
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>>>>>> credibility right off the top with that exaggerated comparison.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> "It costs $1,799 for the base model. But, set up the way anybody who
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>>>>>> needs a computer would have to set it up, it's a $4,000 1.6Ghz, 64GB
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