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Rich Lamanna
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ose esravagant salaries
and wages were coming to an end.and people (doctors) were going to jail ..
See, we all in a three way fight, much like the figh in Iraq. In one corner
we have the Medical community who was use to having a blank check on what
they charged for their services good, mediocore or bad. he other corner
we have the Insurance industry, who was getting reamed by the fraudulant
claims from the hospitals and clinics.. And , lastly, you have we the people
caught in the middle of this blood bath.
If I had to choose a side now, I'd have to side with the insurance industry
as bad as that sounds. You guys/gals gotta know that when a hospial chharges
100 for a pill (for example) and other outrageous charges , the insurance
industry has to react.
here was atime when the medical insurance industry was admired and beloved..
That's before the the massive abuse and fraud comiited by the medical community
hit full tilt. Now, we despise the insurance industry and pity the pooor
doctors who can't give the $$$$$$ quality service because of the big bad
insurance industry..booo hoo.... all is all, it's all F'd up. where both
sides are in a stale mate. Meanwhile, the US health-care is in utter despair..Pittiful!!
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4674c045$1@linux...
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>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those who
>> say
>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>
>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours
>> then
>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even wost
>> job.
>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear someone
>> saying by who??
>
>The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is because
>the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>
>Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like you is:
"Then, what is the cure"??
If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for employer
pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic end. Even
with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their employee
top notch medical care.
This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who belive that
great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford it..
Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can pay for
a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many families
can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With rising fuel
cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these days..
And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one catstrophic
illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's horrible!!
to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked from you
because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has some debilitating
disorder ????
The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70 percent "supplement"
to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have dignified health
coverage.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that the 'govt'
>way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then hold the
>payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker because
>of govt mandates.
>Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed
>gov't doing it? NO.
>
>AA
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those
who
>>> say
>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>
>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours
>>> then
>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even wost
>>> job.
>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>>> someone
>>> saying by who??
>
>
>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is because
>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>
>Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
in place of the stock EQ and comp..
I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
They are not bad..
I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really be
behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24 even
over the 02..
To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
& 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi Lamont,
>Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
these
>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>
>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
will
>> make your life easier..
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HI DJ,
>>> Less than analog console.
>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
@
>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>
>>
>>
>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
or
>>>
>>
>>
>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84864 is a reply to message #84777] |
Sun, 20 May 2007 19:02 |
Rich Lamanna
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ucture that makes
life
>>>>>>
>>
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>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>
>>
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>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>
>> as
>>
>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
of
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the best
>>>>>>>
>> DAW
>>
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for monitoring...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>
>> I
>>
>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
32
>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>
>> Mac
>>
>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>
>>
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>ADK
>chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>(859) 635-5762If you have health insurance, you are already paying for
John wrote:
> Sorry but as much as I like you, I don't want to pay for your families
> needs. If you want to pay for my families needs I can take paypal
> immediately. I can think of 50 grand worth of surgeries right off the
> bat to get me going. Wrist, shoulder, ankle. Hook me up!
>
> John
>
> LaMont wrote:
>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those
>> who say
>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and
>> yours then
>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even
>> wost job.
>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>> someone
>> saying by who??
>> By our hard earned tax dollars that are being wasted on stupid
>> programs and
>> politicians. Let's take care of our own.!!
>>
>> Unlike many in this country, I have paid into our tax system for over 30
>> years, and I for one would be glad to pay for me and my family, you
>> and your
>> families health needs.
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> My mom took a bad fall a few days ago. She didn't break any bones but
>>> got
>>
>>> seriously bruised up. She's started feeling really bad today. God knows
>>
>>> what's going on. This little town doesn't have any doctors right now
>>> that
>>
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84865 is a reply to message #84772] |
Sun, 20 May 2007 19:03 |
Rich Lamanna
Messages: 316
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gt;>> will accept Medicare because of the expense of hiring people full
>>> time to
>>
>>> deal with the bureaucracy so they can get paid. I called my doctor (the
>> are
>>> open on Satrudays) to request an appointment. They say that they
>>> can't take
>>
>>> her because they don't take medicare patients. I told them that I would
>> pay
>>> cash. They said that they cannot take cash. They could get their license
>>
>>> revoked. She has a supplemental medical policy. They can't take that
>>> either.
>>
>>> We're forced to go to the ER to get her any help. Luckily, there's
>>> one here
>>
>>> that is separate from the big hospital complex here so there's less of a
>>
>>> chance of her contacting a random killer respiratory bug than there
>>> would
>> be
>>> if we went to the big Medical center here.
>>>
>>> Amazing..........I'm off to the ER to sit with the illegal aliens who
>>> will
>>
>>> get their healthcare free. I, OTOH, will get a bill for around $1000.00.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>One reason my mom was feeling so bad was discovered last night. she has a
condition called Temporal Arteritis. She has had it for a while and it can
affect her vision (as in caude blindness) or cause stroke if her medication
is not properly adjusted. She had a test last March which included a biopsy.
the doctor billed Medicare over $3000.00 and the lab results reported that
the condition had pretty much gone away, requiringa very small maintenance
dose of her mids. Well, she's been having all of these problems and while we
were at the ER yesterday, they ran a blood test and the indicators of this
condition were "60 times" what was reported by the lab in March. Fortunately
we have one of the best neurologists in the whole country here who does take
Medicare and is a friend of a friend. Mom has an appointment to see her next
week. Looks like some of the doctors in this town are a joke.
Deej
"LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46755aff$1@linux...
>
> You are right. But, there's a reason that he Gov regulates like it does.
> Working
> for Blue Cross for some years and my mom workignthere for 35 years as an
> auditor, i can tell you of the fraud and abuse that Docors for years
> played
> on the insurance industry.. We are talking in the billions of
> dollars..They
> the Doctors and hospitals were a cash cow!! Then, the inrance industry
> started
> to fight back and the medical community cried foul..Those esravagant
> salaries
> and wages were coming to an end.and people (doctors) were going to jail ..
>
> See, we all in a three way fight, much like the figh in Iraq. In one
> corner
> we have the Medical community who was use to having a blank check on what
> they charged for their services good, mediocore or bad. he other corner
> we have the Insurance industry, who was getting reamed by the fraudulant
> claims from the hospitals and clinics.. And , lastly, you have we the
> people
> caught in the middle of this blood bath.
>
> If I had to choose a side now, I'd have to side with the insurance
> industry
> as bad as that sounds. You guys/gals gotta know that when a hospial
> chharges
> 100 for a pill (for example) and other outrageous charges , the insurance
> industry has to react.
> here was atime when the medical insurance industry was admired and
> beloved..
> That's before the the massive abuse and fraud comiited by the medical
> community
> hit full tilt. Now, we despise the insurance industry and pity the pooor
> doctors who can't give the $$$$$$ quality service because of the big bad
> insurance industry..booo hoo.... all is all, it's all F'd up. where both
> sides are in a stale mate. Meanwhile, the US health-care is in utter
> despair..Pittiful!!
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those who
>
>>> say
>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>
>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours
>
>>> then
>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even wost
>
>>> job.
>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>>> someone
>>> saying by who??
>>
>>The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is because
>
>>the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>
>>
>Jamie K wrote:
>
> If you have health insurance, you are already paying for
....other people. You're paying for people who use the same health
insurance you do. AND you're paying for people who have no health
insurance and wait until they have emergencies to get expensive
treatment as indigents. You pay for the latter through taxes and
thorough higher costs charged to you for your health care.
So you already have what you don't want. Already. The system isn't working.
The question is how to change it into something that is more efficient
at delivering health care when needed, and more effective at
preventative care to lower the cost of emergency care.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> John wrote:
>> Sorry but as much as I like you, I don't want to pay for your families
>> needs. If you want to pay for my families needs I can take paypal
>> immediately. I can think of 50 grand worth of surgeries right off the
>> bat to get me going. Wrist, shoulder, ankle. Hook me up!
>>
>> John
>>
>> LaMont wrote:
>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those
>>> who say
>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and
>>> yours then
>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even
>>> wost job.
>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>>> someone
>>> saying by who??
>>> By our hard earned tax dollars that are being wasted on stupid
>>> programs and
>>> politicians. Let's take care of our own.!!
>>>
>>> Unlike many in this country, I have paid into our tax system for over 30
>>> years, and I for one would be glad to pay for me and my family, you
>>> and your
>>> families health needs.
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> My mom took a bad fall a few days ago. She didn't break any bones
>>>> but got
>>>
>>>> seriously bruised up. She's started feeling really bad today. God knows
>>>
>>>> what's going on. This little town doesn't have any doctors right now
>>>> that
>>>
>>>> will accept Medicare because of the expense of hiring people full
>>>> time to
>>>
>>>> deal with the bureaucracy so they can get paid. I called my doctor (the
>>> are
>>>> open on Satrudays) to request an appointment. They say that they
>>>> can't take
>>>
>>>> her because they don't take medicare patients. I told them that I would
>>> pay
>>>> cash. They said that they cannot take cash. They could get their
>>>> license
>>>
>>>> revoked. She has a supplemental medical policy. They can't take that
>>>> either.
>>>
>>>> We're forced to go to the ER to get her any help. Luckily, there's
>>>> one here
>>>
>>>> that is separate from the big hospital complex here so there's less
>>>> of a
>>>
>>>> chance of her contacting a random killer respiratory bug than there
>>>> would
>>> be
>>>> if we went to the big Medical center here.
>>>>
>>>> Amazing..........I'm off to the ER to sit with the illegal aliens
>>>> who will
>>>
>>>> get their healthcare free. I, OTOH, will get a bill for around
>>>> $1000.00.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>There's more than one way to create a health system. I agree we should
try to find a way to offer health care to everyone. We ought to be able
to do this while taking current inefficiencies and outright corruption
out of the equation.
I also agree that we don't want to create a monster in the process.
Would a public system automatically be a monster? It depends on how it's
structured.
We already have a monster. We know that the current non-public system
does not measure up. Again, due to how it's structured.
Moore uses the examples of fire departments and police departments as
public entities that work. It's a fair point, government operated
services can work reasonably well, so I wouldn't rule that out entirely.
OTOH, there are other approaches that could also work, involving
creating a framework within which a mix of public and private enterprise
could operate.
Any change should be set up to take advantage of scale to keep costs down.
Competition within a system can also keep costs down so if there are
opportunities to create competitive incentives in the system that would
be well worth considering.
At the same time, we shouldn't lose focus on the bottom line, which in
this case is not just cost, but health and life. Balanced, somehow, with
cost.
We can't pretend this is an easy problem. We can't pretend any solution
will be immediately perfect. But it's worth trying to envision something
better than the current mess.
On the bright side almost all parties in the current system have
incentive to work toward something better, because it's not working all
that well for most parties involved: employers, employees, doctors,
hostpitals, government.
On a related tangent, I don't think health plans should be provided by
and tied to businesses/employers. They should be completely portable and
unrelated to where you work IMO.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Neil wrote:
> John <aint@itawful.com> wrote:
>> Sorry but as much as I like you, I don't want to pay for your families
>> needs. If you want to pay for my families needs I can take paypal
>> immediately. I can think of 50 grand worth of surgeries right off the
>> bat to get me going. Wrist, shoulder, ankle. Hook me up!
> I would rather pay for Lamont's family's (or yours) healthcare
> needs than pay for someone who HASN'T been paying into the
> system, yet we have to do that anyway, don't we?
>
>
> This is one area where I stray from my mostly-conservative
> leanings... I think we should try & find a way to provide
> healthcare for everyone - the biggest part of the problem
> becomes this: when the govt steps in & determines what's
> a "fair" price for something & hence starts regulating prices,
> quality falls by the wayside. People going into college are
> going to forget about med school because you won't be able to
> make $250k as a doctor anymore & decide where you're going to
> live & work - the government pays you $75k and assigns you to a
> city somewhere. Why amass mountains of debt in student loans to
> do that? Nursing is a pretty decent field to be in, in a lot
> of cities RN's & LVN's can get a signing bonus, just like in
> the NFL (ok, not that big lol), and can often choose their own
> hours/shifts within reason because there's such a demand for
> their skills. Under a government healthcare system, their pay &
> assignments would be determined by the govt, as well. Probably
> this would go all the way down to positions like x-ray & lab
> technicians, orderlies, janitors... candy-stripers
> would become part of Americorps, I'm sure. :)
>
> To summarize it, the entire healthcare system experience would
> be like walking into one big, giant Department of Motor
> Vehicles office... except it's not your car registration you're
> needing, it's a triple-bypass.
>
> How does THAT idea sit with you?
>
> So, the question really becomes: Do you REALLY want people like
> doctors & nurses as civil servants?
>
> Neil
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Neil,
Nice work. Kick is doing it perfectly. Multiband again?
I'd love to hear a tiny amount of short verb on those bright=20
guitar distorted chicks early on. Nice clean tone too.
What guitar/amp/mic/pre/comp setup did you use for that?
Cool.
Tom
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467491dc$1@linux...
Not finals, necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just
be a tweak or two before they're finished. I'll hand it to
these guys - they're into some weird shit, but at least they
don't want everything louder than everything else, and they
don't want all the tops of all the waveforms looking like a
bunch of Darfurian refugees standing in a canoe.
I think the guitars might be a bit raspy in a few places, but
the guys like 'em as-is.
Comments welcome....
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JustWhenUThough t-Mix1.mp3
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JimmyThePill-Mi x1.mp3
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Enjoy!
Neil
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cool.</FONT></DIV>
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DJ,
I love that thing Deej. I have serial number 0026 as I recall.
It is very transparent as far as tube gear goes. Glues submixes
together in a luscious way. Try guitars or vocals. Nice.
James is really easy to talk to regarding his gear too.
Tom
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:4675584c@linux...
Well heck, if it's discontinued, it's right up my alley. It can =
replace my=20
discontinued Steinberg Houston.and interface with my *soon to be*=20
discontinued RME HDSP 9652's.
I'm starting to feel right at home again. I picked up a Demeter VTCL =
the=20
other day. Went to their site to DL a manual and guess =
what???........yep,=20
it's now *vintage*. It will feel right at home here in the *Studio Of =
The=20
Living Dead*.
"Chris Ludwig" <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote in message=20
news:46755517@linux...
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality =
and=20
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing =
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? =
I=20
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be=20
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones=20
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as=20
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w =
update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/ =
more=20
>> dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know =
anything=20
>> about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager =
software=20
>>> makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an =
asTOUNDING=20
>>>>>> board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital, =
once=20
>>>>>> discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would =
think very=20
>>>>>> hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how =
good it=20
>>>>>> sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, =
even the=20
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio =
biz...but=20
>>>>>> parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, =
software, etc=20
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, =
just=20
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent =
miracle,=20
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue =
mixes.=20
>>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I =
don't=20
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 =
x RME=20
>>>>>>> HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 =
mono=20
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message=20
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... =
;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the =
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and =
central=20
>>>>>>>>> as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console =
does=20
>>>>>>>>> that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that =
makes=20
>>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the =
people,=20
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of =
signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have =
pluses and=20
>>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital =
>>>>>>>>> console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than =
an=20
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price =
and=20
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing =
tons=20
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that =
the=20
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for=20
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging =
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have =
all=20
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die =
hard=20
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console =
for=20
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, =
I've got=20
>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review =
of=20
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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Mon, 21 May 2007 02:34 |
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> <DIV>"Neil" <<A =
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>Again, I'm really digging this band.Fresh.. Good job Neil..
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Not finals, necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just
>be a tweak or two before they're finished. I'll hand it to
>these guys - they're into some weird shit, but at least they
>don't want everything louder than everything else, and they
>don't want all the tops of all the waveforms looking like a
>bunch of Darfurian refugees standing in a canoe.
>
>I think the guitars might be a bit raspy in a few places, but
>the guys like 'em as-is.
>
>Comments welcome....
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JustWhenUThough t-Mix1.mp3
>
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JimmyThePill-Mi x1.mp3
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-Panophobia-Mix1 .mp3
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>
>Enjoy!
>
>NeilThanks, Lamont - actually I'm kinda surprised you like it,
considering that it's so far removed from the genres you said
you normally work in.
Maybe there's a latent Metal-head inside you waiting to burst
forth! (kinda like the baby lizard-thang in "Alien", but not as
life-threateneing LOL)
Neil
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Again, I'm really digging this band.Fresh.. Good job Neil..
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Not finals, necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just
>>be a tweak or two before they're finished. I'll hand it to
>>these guys - they're into some weird shit, but at least they
>>don't want everything louder than everything else, and they
>>don't want all the tops of all the waveforms looking like a
>>bunch of Darfurian refugees standing in a canoe.
>>
>>I think the guitars might be a bit raspy in a few places, but
>>the guys like 'em as-is.
>>
>>Comments welcome....
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JustWhenUThough t-Mix1.mp3
>>
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JimmyThePill-Mi x1.mp3
>>
>> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-Panophobia-Mix1 .mp3
>>
>>
>>Enjoy!
>>
>>Neil
>Thanks Jaimie,
She's having some big problems this morning. Amy is over there right now.
I'm getting ready to head that way as well. She was prescribed 1 MG of
Prednisone 3 times a day back in March. She should have been taking a much
larger dose (as much as I hate to think of her taking large doses of
Prednisone.......bad stuff, that, but in her situation, necessary) Anyway,
we're trying to get the dosage adjusted right now.
Gotta' fly,
I'll check in with you guys later on.
Deej
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4675726e@linux...
>
> Hey Deej, I hope your mom gets the care she needs and it all works out for
> the best!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> One reason my mom was feeling so bad was discovered last night. she has a
>> condition called Temporal Arteritis. She has had it for a while and it
>> can affect her vision (as in caude blindness) or cause stroke if her
>> medication is not properly adjusted. She had a test last March which
>> included a biopsy. the doctor billed Medicare over $3000.00 and the lab
>> results reported that the condition had pretty much gone away, requiringa
>> very small maintenance dose of her mids. Well, she's been having all of
>> these problems and while we were at the ER yesterday, they ran a blood
>> test and the indicators of this condition were "60 times" what was
>> reported by the lab in March. Fortunately we have one of the best
>> neurologists in the whole country here who does take Medicare and is a
>> friend of a friend. Mom has an appointment to see her next week. Looks
>> like some of the doctors in this town are a joke.
>>
>> Deej
>>
>> "LaMont " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:46755aff$1@linux...
>>> You are right. But, there's a reason that he Gov regulates like it does.
>>> Working
>>> for Blue Cross for some years and my mom workignthere for 35 years as an
>>> auditor, i can tell you of the fraud and abuse that Docors for years
>>> played
>>> on the insurance industry.. We are talking in the billions of
>>> dollars..They
>>> the Doctors and hospitals were a cash cow!! Then, the inrance industry
>>> started
>>> to fight back and the medical community cried foul..Those esravagant
>>> salaries
>>> and wages were coming to an end.and people (doctors) were going to ja
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84886 is a reply to message #84860] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 02:50 |
Sarah
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>>> ..
>>>
>>> See, we all in a three way fight, much like the figh in Iraq. In one
>>> corner
>>> we have the Medical community who was use to having a blank check on
>>> what
>>> they charged for their services good, mediocore or bad. he other corner
>>> we have the Insurance industry, who was getting reamed by the fraudulant
>>> claims from the hospitals and clinics.. And , lastly, you have we the
>>> people
>>> caught in the middle of this blood bath.
>>>
>>> If I had to choose a side now, I'd have to side with the insurance
>>> industry
>>> as bad as that sounds. You guys/gals gotta know that when a hospial
>>> chharges
>>> 100 for a pill (for example) and other outrageous charges , the
>>> insurance
>>> industry has to react.
>>> here was atime when the medical insurance industry was admired and
>>> beloved..
>>> That's before the the massive abuse and fraud comiited by the medical
>>> community
>>> hit full tilt. Now, we despise the insurance industry and pity the pooor
>>> doctors who can't give the $$$$$$ quality service because of the big bad
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84889 is a reply to message #84885] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 04:10 |
ulfiyya
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rty lines, particularly Democrats but not necessarily
>always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery like
>that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't and I'm
>sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to survive
so
>you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously not see
>that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells?
>
>>
>> If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for
>> employer
>> pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic end.
>> Even
>> with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their
>> employee
>> top notch medical care.
>
>Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being bilked
>for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is very
>very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and free
>loaders.
>
>>
>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who belive
that
>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford it..
>
>There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them from my
>hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal entry
>into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to that,
>though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately we
>don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into the
>trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>
>>
>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can pay
for
>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many
>> families
>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With rising
>> fuel
>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these days..
>
>Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
>affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to those
>numbers as an average.
>
>>
>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one
>> catstrophic
>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>> horrible!!
>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked from
you
>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has some
>> debilitating
>> disorder ????
>
>Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or super broke
>makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your money
>for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is considered
a
>long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks, but it's
a
>reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into retirement or
>beyond.
>
>>
>> The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70 percent
>> "supplement"
>> to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have dignified
>> health
>> coverage.
>
>And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal (how
>would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on welfare
or
>don't have insurance/money?
>
>Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what they can
>pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are now. Those
>that have will not have for long because those that don't will take it away
>through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets screwed
>again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the health
>care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool can
look
>at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. I've
>been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon. I'm
not
>willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it doesn't
work
>for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>
>Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've got
to
>start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because so many
>things are a result of this root issue.
>
>AA
>
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that the
>>>'govt'
>>
>>>way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then hold the
>>
>>>payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>>'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker
>>>because
>>
>>>of govt mandates.
>>>Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed
>>
>>>gov't doing it? NO.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those
>> who
>>>>> say
>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours
>>
>>>>> then
>>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even
wost
>>
>>>>> job.
>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>>>>> someone
>>>>> saying by who??
>>>
>>>
>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is
>>>> because
>>
>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>ITB. I hear ya.. But, to my ears, the best ITB mixers (DAWS) are Paris #1..Logic
>Audio #2..Digital Perfomer #3...Nuendo/Cubase..#4...Pro Tools ..#5.. Sonar
>.#6.
>
>I'm listening to your mixes and if that's in the box form Cubase..Whew!!
>we!!!... Nice!!
Thanks, and yep, those are all ITB Cubase mixes you've been
hearing from me lately. these three tunes I just posted, plus
that earlier one called "Sedation" a couple weeks ago from that
other band (THAT one sounded f*ing big! Ain't no console gonna
beat me on THAT sound! lol). I gave up trying to do external
summing with either Paris or Pulsar - quite frankly, not worth
the additional PITA hassle for the incremental difference in
sound (which was one of those differences that it was hard to
tell if it was "better" or just "different", IMO), but it was
worth the experimentation just to educate myself.
NeilAaron, do you have any sources of data for the actual cost of providing
health care to illegal aliens? What numbers are you using?
Do you know the amount of taxes paid by illegal aliens?
Do you know the amount of money saved in the economy, overall, by the
low wages they are paid?
I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats you are using.
Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. We
can and should address the immigration issue separately.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:46755eae$1@linux...
>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like you
>> is:
>> "Then, what is the cure"??
>
> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since you
> don't see what I meant.
>
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Mon, 21 May 2007 04:36 |
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to be fast or smooth. I'd
> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life, and see
> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region,
> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing of
> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc....
> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think the very
> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. Illegals?
> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired of you
> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be in line
> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other programs. Don't
> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and
> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary? At this
> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck for
> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this point
> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going too
> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take the best
> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I have to
> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
>
> And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people feel
> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free health care
> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got a real
> historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement becomes
> dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not necessarily
> always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery like
> that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't and I'm
> sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to survive so
> you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously not see
> that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells?
>
>> If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for
>> employer
>> pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic end.
>> Even
>> with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their
>> employee
>> top notch medical care.
>
> Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being bilked
> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is very
> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and free
> loaders.
>
>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who belive that
>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford it..
>
> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them from my
> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal entry
> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to that,
> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately we
> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into the
> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>
>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can pay for
>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many
>> families
>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With rising
>> fuel
>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these days..
>
> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'
> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to those
> numbers as an average.
>
>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one
>> catstrophic
>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's
>> horrible!!
>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked from you
>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has some
>> debilitating
>> disorder ????
>
> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or super broke
> makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your money
> for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is considered a
> long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks, but it's a
> reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into retirement or
> beyond.
>
>> The goverment system won't be great, but if packaged as a 60-70 percent
>> "supplement"
>> to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have dignified
>> health
>> coverage.
>
> And who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal (how
> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on welfare or
> don't have insurance/money?
>
> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what they can
> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are now. Those
> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take it away
> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe gets screwed
> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the health
> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool can look
> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. I've
> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect upon. I'm not
> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it doesn't work
> for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>
> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've got to
> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because so many
> things are a result of this root issue.
>
> AA
>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that the
>>> 'govt'
>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then hold the
>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker
>>> because
>>> of govt mandates.
>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the fed
>>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>>
>>> AA
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand those
>> who
>>>>> say
>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not until the current medical/Insurance system reams you and yours
>>>>> then
>>>>> do you 'see why it's needed'. But knoowwww The Gove will do a even wost
>>>>> job.
>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can hear
>>>>> someone
>>>>> saying by who??
>>>
>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients is
>>>> because
>>>> the government runs it in such a wonderful way.
>>>
>
>Chris,
Have customers that are Hotel people. Putting these in business
centers. They want to have it blow anything anyone has done when
theysat down at it and return it to the previous state. I've hear dof
some schools doing the same, but haven't got a line on what they're using.
JH
Ludwig wrote:
> HI Jeff,
> Umm I think you can do something to that effect with Acronis using the
> task scheduling functions in it. Don't have the ability to test that
> atm. Is this something you want to do every time you boot?
> What sort of craziness are you up to that you need to do that?
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Jeff Hoover wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of an app for Windows XP that when you log off/ shut
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>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
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DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
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and=20
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>>>>>>>>>
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digital=20
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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and=20
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after =
doing tons=20
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that =
the=20
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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hard=20
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
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for=20
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I've got=20
>>>>>>>>>> 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> channels
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review of=20
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
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> --=20
> Chris Ludwig
> ADK
> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
> (859) 635-5762=20
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------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C7B0E7.56C3E080--Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
says something to me. ;)
Graham
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> Hi Graham,
> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got potential.
>
> ChrisI called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
What a POS.
;o)
"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
news:46759699$1@linux...
> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that says
> something to me. ;)
>
> Graham
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> Hi Graham,
>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>> potential.
>>
>> Chris
>I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
these boards really get you there?
Neil
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>What a POS.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>news:46759699$1@linux...
>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
says
>> something to me. ;)
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> Hi Graham,
>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>> potential.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>
>You don't even have to wait for a reboot for that, you can just
go to your Internet Explorer "Advanced Settings" tab (under
the "Tools" dropdown menu up top) and go down to the "Security"
section & check the box that says "Empty Temporary Internet
Files folder when browser is closed", and also the box that
syas "Do not save encrypted pages to disk". Then post a little
sign on the frame of the computer screen that says: "For your
security, make sure you close browser when done."
Neil
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Chris,
>
>Have customers that are Hotel people. Putting these in business
>centers. They want to have it blow anything anyone has done when
>theysat down at it and return it to the previous stat
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Mon, 21 May 2007 08:24 |
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>> What sort of craziness are you up to that you need to do that?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff Hoover wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know of an app for Windows XP that when you log off/ shut
>>> down it will return the system to its previous state, including
>>> removing all newly created files? Basically like ghosting the drive
>>> with no user intervention?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>
>>i've been given the green light for updating my whole system--
i'm thinking a g4 with OS9(one thing, not the dual--
god, i'm so inept)
i have the two hard discs--
including the one that came with my g3 as well as the maxtor
that doesn't show up on my g3 anymore--
i need a way to recover the data on both discs--
i also need a reliable cd writer--
i have a LITTLE bit of money to do this
(i'm an artist with no defenses)
any help?
you people are the greatest!
jpI tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably we
like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure if
"consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not, even
if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems to be
a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion can
be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary if he
thought they were pimping crap.
Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail sale
(it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care was
taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
;o)
..
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>
> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>
> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
> these boards really get you there?
>
> Neil
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>
>>What a POS.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>news:46759699$1@linux...
>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
> says
>>> something to me. ;)
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>
>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>> potential.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>Neil, I had a DM24 and I did not use it to mix, I used it for inputs and
monitoring and studio infrastructure and as a digital patchbay.
Neil wrote:
> If I was going to spend $5k on a console (isn't that what youse
> guys said these things were going for?), I would hunt down a
> Trident Series-24, either a 24 or 32-channel version. They can
> be had for that kind of price range.
>
> Digital mixing, I can already get that ITB - I wouldn't need to
> spend another $5k on it.
>
> Neil
>
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> Chris, I know that i'm spliting hairs, but one of the things that bugs me
>> about the DM2K VCM is to use the new VCM effecs, yu give up the 8 dsp (FX)
>> processors..Meaning , I can't have those new comps and eqs on every channel
>> in place of the stock EQ and comp..
>>
>> I wish they would mak a new version that replaces the on-board eqs and comps.
>> They are not bad..
>>
>> I agree with you about tascams service, that's why I've waited till they
>> worked most of the bugs out of the DM3200/4800.. They've seem to really
> be
>> behind this product. Back in 2000. I enjoyed the sound of the then DM24
> even
>> over the 02..
>>
>> To my ears, the Tascams mixers converters have more low end balls. The eqs
>> and comps work and the pres are nice..Ergonomicaly, the layout of the 3200
>> & 4800 are just what this industry have been asking for..witha price piint
>> that's tailor made for the mid-pro market...
>>
>>
>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Lamont,
>>> Yes the Tascam would be good possibilities too. I tend not to recommend
>>> thing because too many bad experiences with the company from a dealer
>>> stand point and from a warranty and tech support stand point. But in
>>> general the higher end stuff tends to be good from them.
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>> Yeah what chris said..Also, I'm really considering (2) Tascams Dm4800
>> these
>>>> are under 5k and the layout is fabulous!!
>>>>
>>>> DJ, my friend I know you have the furman thing, but a mixer, any mixer
>> will
>>>> make your life easier..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI DJ,
>>>>> Less than analog console.
>>>>> The DM2000 VCM has 6 expansion slots with the right combination of
>>>>> expansion cards you can have up to 96 channels of I/O A48k or 48 chs
>> @
>>>>> 96k. You can mix most any of th exp cards they have so you can replicate
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the current I/O needs you have now. If you want to bypass their analog
>>>>> I/O you can easily hookup your ADI8DS to use with any analog effects
>> or
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mic-Pres if needed.
>>>>> You can at some point replace all or some of those RME cards with a
>
>>>>> single Madi and make the routing allot easier. Yamaha is supposedly
>
>>>>> working on their own MY-Madi card but it won't be out for awhile. The
>>>>> 3rd party one is stupid expensive for no reason. Now that we are
>>>>> building the recording systems for Yamaha Commercial Audio we get to
>> be
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> dealers. :)
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue mixes.
>>>>>> Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to manage. I don't
>> need
>>>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x RME
>> HDSP
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono Channels
>>>>>>
>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and even
>>>>>>>>
>>>> low
>>>>
>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the mindset
>>>>>>>>
>>>> that
>>>>
>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and central
> as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A console does that
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that makes
>> life
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people, which
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses and
>>>>>>>> minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good digital console
>>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an analog
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and quality
>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing tons
>> of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84906 is a reply to message #84904] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 09:44 |
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Messages: 123
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t;>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging everything
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard that
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've got
>> 32
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Mac
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Chris Ludwig
>>> ADK
>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>> (859) 635-5762
>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>i also need a reliable cd writer--
I have an extra Memorex USB/FW external CD/DVD drive that I
don't need. I would think that would work with a Mac no prob.
Offers?
NeilYamaha have a new N Series of mixers that seem to be in the 01v range.
The page seems to be down at the moment on their site but I was looking
at them yesterday and they looked pretty cool.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI Bill,
> Yes AFAIK the only major update is the DSP increase and the quality and
> number of effects. I think also the mixers software has more routing
> options but haven't A/Bed it with an old one yet.
> Which of the smaller ones? The 01v96v2 and o2r96v2 or the DM1000v2? I
> think the o1v96 is the only one currently that has a chance to be
> discontinued. But normally they just replace and upgrade. That ones
> feature set is getting long in th e tooth.
>
>
> Chris
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> Chris,
>>
>> I took a look at their site and they do show the DM series as
>> discontinued. Are the new ones basically the same, but with a s/w update?
>>
>> I also saw some new smaller digital mixers that look kinda cool, w/
>> more dedicated knobs than most small format digital mixers have. Know
>> anything about those?
>>
>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>> HI Bill,
>>> Yes if just using the little screen. Using the Studio manager
>>> software makes it about easy as using a DAW.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>> I hope that does not stand fro Very Complicated Matrix.
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Nope just updated to the VCM version.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>> Hmmm...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the risk of being very unpopular, the Dm2000, while an
>>>>>> asTOUNDING board,
>>>>>> is discontinued last I heard...and as with all things digital,
>>>>>> once discontinued,
>>>>>> lack of any support whatsoever is not far behind...I would think
>>>>>> very hard
>>>>>> about the DM2000 (even though I really was amazed at just how good
>>>>>> it sounds)
>>>>>> or even a Sony RMX100...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, none of my boards are current production models, even
>>>>>> the companies
>>>>>> have changed hands drastically or are out of the pro audio
>>>>>> biz...but parts
>>>>>> are readily available, and there are no digital issues, software,
>>>>>> etc to
>>>>>> be concerned about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Last FWIW: Otari made a really handy board - had no preamps, just
>>>>>> tape returns,
>>>>>> auxes out the wazoo, sources I trust say the EQ was a silent
>>>>>> miracle, and
>>>>>> (get this) 48 channels of Eagle automation....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just an FYI
>>>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My Furman HDS16 gives me the flexibility of a console for cue
>>>>>>> mixes. Everything else is pretty well laid out and easy to
>>>>>>> manage. I don't need
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> preamps. What would a DM2000 cost with interconnectivity for3 x
>>>>>>> RME HDSP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 9652's, an RME Multiface, 2 RME ADI8-DS, and 9 x stereo/18 mono
>>>>>>> Channels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> AES switchable to coax or optical S/Pdif?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:467438ac$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe if we keep poking him, he'll finally bite on a DM2K... ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bill L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm with Wireline. While there are ways to use ASIO direct and
>>>>>>>>> even low
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> latency monitoring, as a onetime pro studio owner I have the
>>>>>>>>> mindset
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> managing the flows in the studio should be as simple and
>>>>>>>>> central as possible for the sake of speed and flexibility. A
>>>>>>>>> console does that and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> offers the pres, eqs and studio routing infrastructure that
>>>>>>>>> makes life
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> comfortable so you can concentrate on the music and the people,
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> will get better end results than managing routing of signals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't mind whether digital or analog, they each have pluses
>>>>>>>>> and minuses, IMHO, though I would probably go for a good
>>>>>>>>> digital console
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the price to quality ratio is much higher with a DM2000 than an
>>>>>>>>> analog
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> board, which would necessarily be pretty old at that price and
>>>>>>>>> quality
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wireline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deej...I admire your persistance with DAWs, but after doing
>>>>>>>>>> tons of
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> homework,
>>>>>>>>>> actual research, etc...I have come to the conclusion that the
>>>>>>>>>> best DAW
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> the DAW that does not rely on ASIO or 'zero latency' for
>>>>>>>>>> monitoring...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have been in the process for a couple of days rearranging
>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (again)
>>>>>>>>>> and re-installing my Soundtracs console...this way, I have all
>>>>>>>>>> the analog
>>>>>>>>>> pres, comps, EQs, etc I want with true zero latency...Die hard
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am,
>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to encounter any latency when using a console for
>>>>>>>>>> tracking...kind
>>>>>>>>>> of backwards from the way most people use them, but hey, I've
>>>>>>>>>> got 32
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> channels
>>>>>>>>>> on one board, 18 on another, and 8 on the 3rd...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW the most recent TapeOp mag/rag has a real world review of
>>>>>>>>>> the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> Apogee/Symphony setup and Logic...but its a Mac ...
>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84909 is a reply to message #84850] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 09:08 |
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uot;bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary if he
> thought they were pimping crap.
>
> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail sale
> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care was
> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>
> ;o)
>
> .
> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>
>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>> these boards really get you there?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>> What a POS.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>> says
>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>> potential.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>
>
>hey neil
it would be worth a HUGE amount to me
if i had any money--
thanks for your response
i need someone to tell me how to do it
jp
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>
>>i also need a reliable cd writer--
>
>I have an extra Memorex USB/FW external CD/DVD drive that I
>don't need. I would think that would work with a Mac no prob.
>Offers?
>
>NeilNeil,
Good idea...looking to do that for the whole machine though, not just
internet traffic. All registry changes that could happen, files created
or modified (IE word docs). Basically want the boot drive to be the
equivalent of "reimaged" after each user.
JH
> You don't even have to wait for a reboot for that, you can just
> go to your Internet Explorer "Advanced Settings" tab (under
> the "Tools" dropdown menu up top) and go down to the "Security"
> section & check the box that says "Empty Temporary Internet
> Files folder when browser is closed", and also the box that
> syas "Do not save encrypted pages to disk". Then post a little
> sign on the frame of the computer screen that says: "For your
> security, make sure you close browser when done."
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>
>>Chris,
>>
>>Have customers that are Hotel people. Putting these in business
>>centers. They want to have it blow anything anyone has done when
>>theysat down at it and return it to the previous state. I've hear dof
>>some schools doing the same, but haven't got a line on what they're using.
>>
>>JH
>>
>> Ludwig wrote:
>>
>>>HI Jeff,
>>>Umm I think you can do something to that effect with Acronis using the
>
>
>>>task scheduling functions in it. Don't have the ability to test that
>>>atm. Is this something you want to do every time you boot?
>>>What sort of craziness are you up to that you need to do that?
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff Hoover wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does anyone know of an app for Windows XP that when you log off/ shut
>
>
>>>>down it will return the system to its previous state, including
>>>>removing all newly created files? Basically like ghosting the drive
>
>
>>>>with no user intervention?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
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Excellent!
"Jeff Hoover" <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote in message =
news:467586f3$1@linux...
John Shapiro wrote:
> Thanks Jeff and Tom.
>=20
> Deleting the default project allowed PARIS to launch and from there =
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Glad you're up and running.
JH
> "John Shapiro" <me at johnshapiro dot com> wrote in message=20
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>>I currently have 3 EDS cards and want to reduce to 2 as well as =
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>>enough resources.
>>
>>Unhandled Exception: c0000005
>>At Address: 0048c425
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84913 is a reply to message #84906] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 09:33 |
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Messages: 895
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<BR>>>I=20
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I don't=20
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Neil,
I was talking about the distorted chicks and clean sound in "Just When =
You Thought".
Nice tune with a different vibe.
I'm surprised a drummer would be looking for triggered sounds at the get =
go.
You proved him wrong. Good work.
Tom
"Neil" <IOUOIU@IU.com> wrote in message news:467573c5$1@linux...
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Neil,
>Nice work. Kick is doing it perfectly. Multiband again?
Yep - actually the story behind the kick & snare is that we
almost DIDN'T mic them - the guy wanted to go with a triggered
kit he had programmed in his Roland TD-20 for the kick, snare &
toms, and live mics for the cymbals & hats. I told him: "You
know what, why don't I just slap a mic on the kick & snare
anyway, while we've got everything set up... can't hurt, right?"
Turns out he LOVES the live kick & snare sounds we got - we
ended up not even using the triggered sounds on those. So
anyway, it's a D-6 through a Chandler TG-2, and I had picked up
an Earthworks Kick-pad recently, so I stuck that on the kick
mic, too, since we had the kick all stuffed with towels & such
up against the head to prevent it from double-triggering on the
rebound... I figured I'd see if the kickpad might help give me
some tone right off the bat & it worked out OK. From there it
was just my usual Multiband comp/No EQ settings for the kick.
>I'd love to hear a tiny amount of short verb on those bright=3D20
>guitar distorted chicks early on.=20
Not sure I know what you mean... which song?
>Nice clean tone too. What guitar/amp/mic/pre/comp setup did
>you use for that?
The clean tone? Again, not sure which song, because there are a
couple parts with clean tone. If you mean the tone in: "Just
When U Thought", that was the main guitarist's ESP with EMG
humbuckers through his Mesa amp & cab, if you mean the clean
tone in: "Jimmy The Pill", that was one of my Strats through
the same setup, but in that case, we also doubled it.
Mics/pres in both cases on his cab were: Audix i5 through a
Focusrite Red 8, and a BLUE Ball through a Grace101, tracked
dual-mono on each pass.
>Cool.
>Tom
Thanks!
Neil
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467491dc$1@linux...
>
> Not finals, necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just
> be a tweak or two before they're finished. I'll hand it to
> these guys - they're into some weird shit, but at least they
> don't want everything louder than everything else, and they
> don't want all the tops of all the waveforms looking like a
> bunch of Darfurian refugees standing in a canoe.
>
> I think the guitars might be a bit raspy in a few places, but
> the guys like 'em as-is.
>
> Comments welcome....
>
> =
http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JustWhenUThough t-Mix1.mp3
>
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-JimmyThePill-Mi x1.mp3
>
> http://saqqararecords.com/MiscAudio/DiMakina-Panophobia-Mix1 .mp3
>
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Neil
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cool.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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ot
=3D
>finals,=3D20
> necessarily, but close enough to where it'll just<BR>be a tweak or =
two
=3D
>before=3D20
> they're finished. I'll hand it toBR>these guys - they're into some =
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>everything else,=3D20
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>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>> says
>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>
>>Lamont, you are so right about that, but you have to admit that when you
do spend on a really nice piece, it has a little something extra good
usually.
OTOH, back in the day, we just used the board for mic ins. We never even
heard of outboard pres and if the *player* was good, you got a good sound.
LaMont wrote:
> I don't know Bill, our Soundcraft Ghost 32/with 24 input side car sounds fabulous
> at aocst of $4000/3000 respectiviley..
>
> Heck, the Mackie Onyx mixers sounds great. To me , the Onyx pres sound better
> than the Tridents pres. These days, it not all about cost..
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> $5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>> that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>
>> great sound.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
> we
>>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
> if
>>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>
>>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
> even
>>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
> to be
>>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
> can
>>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
> if he
>>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>>
>>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
> sale
>>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
> was
>>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>>
>>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>>> What a POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>>> says
>>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>
>http://www.gearwire.com/behringer-fcc.html
I'm shocked. Speechless I tell you. Never would have seen this coming...
oh..wait...no... I'm thinking of the Yankees on a winning streak... ;-)Bill L wrote:
> $5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
> that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
> great sound.
lol, well, just imagine if it was made in the US or the UK, at probably
2x the price, and there you go. I think the EQ is the big deal on this
desk, though I hear that the pres are usable. I'd much rather spend the
money here than on a digital board, but that's just me. It just depends
on your setup and what you want to hear... but this is a good analog option.
GrahamCouldn't have happened to a nicer bunch eh?
DC
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>http://www.gearwire.com/behringer-fcc.html
>
>I'm shocked. Speechless I tell you. Never would have seen this coming...
>
>oh..wait...no... I'm thinking of the Yankees on a winning streak... ;-)
>Play the factory tour videos. Listen up for the description of the
conditions under which the workers make the stuff.... teens and
20-somethings living at the factory six to a room in an industrial area
accessible by 40-minute ferry ride out of Hong Kong in an obscure concrete
jungle hazed by deisel-laden smog.
Yeah, I'm still boycotting their stuff.
WMW
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote in message news:467617ce$1@linux...
>
> Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch eh?
>
> DC
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>http://www.gearwire.com/behringer-fcc.html
>>
>>I'm shocked. Speechless I tell you. Never would have seen this coming...
>>
>>oh..wait...no... I'm thinking of the Yankees on a winning streak... ;-)
>
>>
>I heard the working prototype at Summer NAMM in Austin a summer or two back...got
to audition the board a bit, talked with Alan Hyatt for a while, etc...
Althought it wasn't by any means a bad board, from what I heard 1st hand
regarding EQ, summing, bus assigns, etc, it is not even in the same league
as even the mid-higher grade boards from the 80s and 90s (Souncraft 200,
Soundtracs, MCI, etc...) It doesn't suck, but its not anywhere close to the
hype, regardless of who is saying it (and how much they are compensated for
saying it)...
From what I heard, the biggest advantage is that these Toft boards are ....
new.
IMO, $5-$6K will buy an awful lot more quality, character, and sonic mojo
than the Tofts...but that's just one opinion.
Oh - and the reason it took so long to get the board released: (this direct
from Alan Hyatt himself) was the continual quality control issues, manufacturing
snags, parts availablity in China, suppliers flaking, last minute design
changes (some major ones), mass shipping plans that fell through, etc...
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>great sound.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
we
>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
if
>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
even
>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
to be
>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
can
>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
if he
>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>
>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
sale
>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
was
>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> .
>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>
>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>> What a POS.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>> says
>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>
>>wow. They should change their motto to:
Miserable products from a miserable com
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---=_linux4676fa5a--Chris,
Admittedly MLan got a rocky start, but it does work OK with the newer
drivers. I have an i88x which took me a few days to set up but it is
pretty stable now.
Chris Ludwig wrote:
> HI Bill,
> Yes they do look promising. Hopefully the analog end sounds good. They
> definitely seems to have paid more attention to feature for the home
> studio market. It actually seem to have a more outputs on it which is a
> big sore point withe the Mackie Onyx and all the clones of it. Looks
> like a hybrid between the O1x and O1v but I sure hope it isn't still
> using M-Lan. That could be its Achilles heel.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Bill L wrote:
>> http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/n8n12/index.html
>>
>> When I heard Yammy married Steiny, I was hoping for some products that
>> really integrated Cubase and a mixer/controller. This may be what I
>> was hoping for. I hope it really has quality sound.
>>
>> It's available in Britain but not yet the US. GBP899.00 = U$1,782.18
>wireline wrote:
> FWIW: Radar (my favorite recording machine beyond ANY doubt) runs off BeOS...and
> (get this!) the lowly Reaper DAW can import, manipulate, and export tracks
> IN RADAR'S FORMAT!!! No format conversion necessary - all digital, still
> played back thru Radar's DA is you wish...
>
> To my thinking, this is HUGE...forward thinking at its finest, incorporating
> a nearly free application with THE gold standard of ADDA and recording...
Cool!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.comHI Bill,
How low of a latency can it operate not reliably? IN the past 10ms was
pretty the lowest. Which is unusable for VSTi IMHO.
Chris
Bill L wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Admittedly MLan got a rocky start, but it does work OK with the newer
> drivers. I have an i88x which took me a few days to set up but it is
> pretty stable now.
>
>
>
> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>> HI Bill,
>> Yes they do look promising. Hopefully the analog end sounds good.
>> They definitely seems to have paid more attention to feature for the
>> home studio market. It actually seem to have a more outputs on it
>> which is a big sore point withe the Mackie Onyx and all the clones of
>> it. Looks like a hybrid between the O1x and O1v but I sure hope it
>> isn't still using M-Lan. That could be its Achilles heel.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill L wrote:
>>> http://www.yamahasynth.com/products/n8n12/index.html
>>>
>>> When I heard Yammy married Steiny, I was hoping for some products
>>> that really integrated Cubase and a mixer/controller. This may be
>>> what I was hoping for. I hope it really has quality sound.
>>>
>>> It's available in Britain but not yet the US. GBP899.00 = U$1,782.18
>>
--
Chris Ludwig
ADK
chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:467591fd@linux...
>=20
> Aaron, do you have any sources of data for the actual cost of =
providing=20
> health care to illegal aliens? What numbers are you using?
>=20
> Do you know the amount of taxes paid by illegal aliens?
>=20
> Do you know the amount of money saved in the economy, overall, by the=20
> low wages they are paid?
>=20
> I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats you are =
using.
This'll get you started. And they're old numbers for the most part, =
could be an improvement in the situation but I seriously doubt it. I've =
seen growth in my area for sure and I'd expect the same for this region =
of states all the way to Cali.
This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal =
immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on =
the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments, =
but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when =
all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, =
illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of =
more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an =
amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly =
$29 billion.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
Washington Post found about the same thing
"Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in =
costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in =
taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per =
illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the study.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug 25.html
Here's a 2004 finding
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/ 19_56_5812_5_=
04.txt
SBI ain't cuttin it in this 2006 study.=20
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html
Deportation doesn't seem such a great idea
27 July 2005
New Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A Year.Do They =
Take American Express??
[Bryanna Bevens] @ 11:24 am [Email author] [Email This Article] [Print =
This Article]=20
Recently, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich suggested that we =
round up and deport the millions of illegal aliens who currently reside =
in the U.S.=20
Silly mortal.what on earth was he thinking? Simple solutions to =
complicated problems just confuse the powers that be-he should have used =
graphs and flow charts.you know, visual aids that provide an opportunity =
for interpretation.=20
To discourage the idea, the Center for American Progress (CAP-whatever =
that's supposed to be) prepared a sort of makeshift cost/benefit =
analysis for deporting millions of illegal aliens.=20
Hmm.I wonder what they determined?? Surprise, surprise, surprise.the =
cost is astronomical. In fact, according to CAP, the solution is cost =
prohibitive.
[extracted from the report linked below]
"Using publicly available data, we estimate the costs of a mass =
deportation effort to be at least $206 billion over five years ($41.2 =
billion annually), and could be as high as $230 billion or more. =
Spending $41.2 billion annually would exceed the entire budget of the =
Department of Homeland Security for FY 2006 ($34.2 billion) and more =
than double the annual cost of military operations in Afghanistan ($16.8 =
billion)."
http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-illegal-ali=
ens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-american-expres s/
I could go on and you could go on, but really... what's the point in =
google warring?
Which leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals, =
they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without =
blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to =
trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and how =
many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in?
Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will it =
blow apart our economy. I think we'l
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Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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l certainly feel it in =
goods/services but the big question lies in will the spending in the =
medical expenses and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how =
does our legal low end applicants play into that? How many of our legal =
jobless will suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves =
and family, and better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, =
Mexicans or any other cultures. It's about responsibility to our house =
and ourselves and those around us. Perhaps others just see =
responsibility in a different way than I do.=20
Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should all =
pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers =
playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate =
more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to pay =
for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money pit =
volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for it =
too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I am not =
a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my dudes/dudettes. =
I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about =
that spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't =
mind giving. But I want to give smart.=20
What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my family/my =
friends/my community have to continue the payments and they have to stay =
enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do for themselves =
if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be handled differently =
per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and are eating my family's =
food why on God's green earth would I hand them something else out of my =
house bank account?
>=20
> Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. We =
> can and should address the immigration issue separately.
>=20
My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just =
have to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the =
last year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain =
tumor. She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro, =
first hand. I could relate some horror stories.
Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such :)
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
Cheers back atcha'
AA
>=20
>=20
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message =
news:46755eae$1@linux...
>>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think like =
you=20
>>> is:
>>> "Then, what is the cure"??
>>=20
>> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate since =
you=20
>> don't see what I meant.
>>=20
>> the 'govt' way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, =
then=20
>> hold the
>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker =
>>> because
>>> of govt mandates.
>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the =
fed
>>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>=20
>>=20
>> The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd=20
>> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems in life, =
and see=20
>> what works. What works will depend on so many variables, like region, =
>> patient, nature of illness, how the illness was obtained, cure/easing =
of=20
>> symptoms, procedures involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc....=20
>> Calculating for those variables will be a mountain, however I think =
the very=20
>> first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. =
Illegals?=20
>> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because we're tired =
of you=20
>> sucking the life out of our economy. Welfare? You're likely to be in =
line=20
>> behind the guys that have prepaid through insurance or other =
programs. Don't=20
>> like it? Get legal, get registered, get a job, start paying taxes and =
>> insurance like the legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary? =
At this=20
>> point, yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck =
for=20
>> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. At this =
point=20
>> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much ripping off going =
too=20
>> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I pay insurance and I take =
the best=20
>> care of my self as I possibly can. So, explain to me why should I =
have to=20
>> buy healthcare for someone who doesn't?
>>=20
>> And that is 'exactly' the problem with entitlement. Too many people =
feel=20
>> entitled to sit on their asses and collect welfare and debt free =
health care=20
>> as it is on the backs of those that work for a living. Gov't has got =
a real=20
>> historical problem with handling that particular because entitlement =
becomes=20
>> dependant voters for party lines, particularly Democrats but not =
necessarily=20
>> always. Corruption is corruption. I have a huge problem with bribery =
like=20
>> that. I've seen it in business practices and I've seen it in gov't =
and I'm=20
>> sick of it. *Here, let me help you* becomes *now you need me to =
survive so=20
>> you better do what I say or I'll cut you off*. You can't seriously =
not see=20
>> that. Jesus saw it. Teach a man to fish.. ringing any bells?
>>=20
>>> If we are waiting on big business to continue to foot the bill for=20
>>> employer
>>> pid medical insurance, well, thoes days are coming to and drastic =
end.=20
>>> Even
>>> with the employers like GM are not going to continue to give their=20
>>> employee
>>> top notch medical care.
>>=20
>> Nope, they're not going to continue it. Everyone is tired of being =
bilked=20
>> for being responsible by those that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is =
very=20
>> very likely to have come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and =
free=20
>> loaders.
>>=20
>>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre are those in this country who =
belive that
>>> great health care is not for all , but only to those who can afford =
it..
>>=20
>> There are those that believe it should be given scot free to them =
from my=20
>> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you count illegal =
entry=20
>> into the country and laziness as a culture. Add welfare state to =
that,=20
>> though it's not a 100% as are not the other catagories. Unfortunately =
we=20
>> don't have the resources to successfully divide these groups into the =
>> trying/not trying sub groups with exception to the laziness group.
>>=20
>>> Now: other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can =
pay for
>>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) today??? Not many=20
>>> families
>>> can afford on average $600-1000 per month for health care..With =
rising=20
>>> fuel
>>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the budget for mant these =
days..
>>=20
>> Where did those figures arive from? I'm not saying health care 'is'=20
>> affordable, but I would like to get some idea of how you came to =
those=20
>> numbers as an average.
>>=20
>>> And, if you are one of fortunate millionairs, well, you are only one =
>>> catstrophic
>>> illness away from seeing all of your fortune sucked away...That's=20
>>> horrible!!
>>> to work hard to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked =
from you
>>> because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has =
some=20
>>> debilitating
>>> disorder ????
>>=20
>> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super rich or =
super broke=20
>> makes no difference here. At current system/rates, they'll get your =
money=20
>> for any serious long term illness either way. And old age is =
considered a=20
>> long term illness these days, curable only by death. That sucks, but =
it's a=20
>> reality we all better prepare for in the event we live into =
retireme
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #84988 is a reply to message #84979] |
Mon, 21 May 2007 22:38 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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leads me to believe if life here gets tougher for the illegals, =
they'll pack up and go home or at least a portion of them will, without =
blasting more tax payer money at the problem. I hate that it's come to =
trying to close off our borders but how much money down the tube and how =
many terrorist bombs is it really going to take for that to sink in?
Will there be a gaping hole in the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will =
it blow apart our economy. I think we'll certainly feel it in =
goods/services but the big question lies in will the spending in the =
medical expenses and free rides in the country outweigh it, andd how =
does our legal low end applicants play into that? How many of our legal =
jobless will suddenly find they CAN get a job to help feed themselves =
and family, and better their circumstances? This isn't about Arabs, =
Mexicans or any other cultures. It's about responsibility to our house =
and ourselves and those around us. Perhaps others just see =
responsibility in a different way than I do.=20
Now the crux of this conversation lies here. Do you think we should =
all pony up for free health care or not? The rest is semantics, numbers =
playing and guess work and I say this to anyone that wants to mandate =
more of my paycheck out of me and my family's hands: If you want to pay =
for it, go right ahead. Vote yourself into a nice expensive money pit =
volunteer 'program'. Just don't get the idea that I want to pay for it =
too, or that I won't fight it the whole way. Don't mistake that I am not =
a compassionate man, or have heart or ability to help my dudes/dudettes. =
I think years of taking a hand here really ought to say plenty about =
that spirit, and things not generally public knowledge about me. I don't =
mind giving. But I want to give smart.=20
What I won't do is hand out to make ppl dependant so that I/my =
family/my friends/my community have to continue the payments and they =
have to stay enslaved to a 'care' system that doesn't teach them to do =
for themselves if they are able. If they are not, that needs to be =
handled differently per case. And, if they've snuck into my house and =
are eating my family's food why on God's green earth would I hand them =
something else out of my house bank account?
>=20
> Ideally we should start by designing a working system for citizens. =
We=20
> can and should address the immigration issue separately.
>=20
My point is that it is not a separate issue, but linked. We may just =
have to disagree about that one. I've been in and out of hospitals the =
last year with both a sick 5 yr old boy and a girlfriend post brain =
tumor. She's a tough survivor. I'm telling you what I'm seeing bro, =
first hand. I could relate some horror stories.
Sorry for the delayed response.... Father's Day, priorities and such =
:)
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
Cheers back atcha'
AA
>=20
>=20
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> "LaMOnt " <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message =
news:46755eae$1@linux...
>>> Aaron please read my last post. My question to those who think =
like you=20
>>> is:
>>> "Then, what is the cure"??
>>=20
>> I did read you last post, which prompted mine. Let me elaborate =
since you=20
>
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Tue, 22 May 2007 07:44 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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hose that are here illegal =
(how=20
>> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), live on =
welfare or=20
>> don't have insurance/money?
>>=20
>> Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what =
they can=20
>> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back where we are =
now. Those=20
>> that have will not have for long because those that don't will take =
it away=20
>> through gov't mandate and the law of economics. The average Joe =
gets screwed=20
>> again. We'll pay for the poor through taxes, then again through the =
health=20
>> care overages we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool =
can look=20
>> at social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. =
I've=20
>> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never collect =
upon. I'm not=20
>> willing to add another to that list. Entitlement is crap and it =
doesn't work=20
>> for any length of time before becoming corruption.
>>=20
>> Sorry man, I don't see this working. But it's a nice thought. We've =
got to=20
>> start dealing with our border and overpopulation problems because =
so many=20
>> things are a result of this root issue.
>>=20
>> AA
>>=20
>>>
>>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now first hand experience that =
the=20
>>>> 'govt'
>>>> way is to beat down the vendor to the lowest denominator, then =
hold the
>>>> payment as long as you possibly can. Let's not even get into the
>>>> 'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care =
worker=20
>>>> because
>>>> of govt mandates.
>>>> Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need =
the fed
>>>> gov't doing it? NO.
>>>>
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message =
news:467556c0$1@linux...
>>>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message=20
>>>>> news:4674c045$1@linux...
>>>>>> The reason for the new film SICKO.. I really don't under stand =
those
>>> who
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> they don;t want a national health care system.
>>>>>>
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and yours
>>>>>> then
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even wost
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>>>>>> That Bull-Shit!! At least, the bill will get paid.. Ok, I can =
hear
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> saying by who??
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>>>>> The reason that these doctors are not taking Medicare patients =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>> <BR>> Do you know the amount =
of taxes=20
paid by illegal aliens?<BR>> <BR>> Do you know the amount of =
money saved=20
in the economy, overall, by the <BR>> low wages they are =
paid?<BR>>=20
<BR>> I'm just curious. It would be interesting to know any stats =
you are=20
using.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This'll get you started. And they're =
old numbers=20
for the most part, could be an improvement in the situation but I =
seriously=20
doubt it. I've seen growth in my area for sure and I'd expect the same =
for=20
this region of states all the way to Cali.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This study is one of the first to =
estimate the=20
total impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Most =
previous=20
studies have focused on the state and local level and have examined =
only costs=20
or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study =
finds=20
that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are =
considered,=20
illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level =
of more=20
than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an =
amnesty for=20
illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29=20
billion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A =
href=3D"http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html"><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2>http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html</FONT></A></DIV=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Washington Post found about the same=20
thing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"Households headed by illegal aliens =
imposed more=20
than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid =
only=20
$16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of $10.4 billion, =
or=20
$2,700 per illegal household," said Steven A. Camarota, author of the=20
study.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug 25.ht=
ml"><FONT=20
face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A33783-2004Aug 25.h=
tml</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here's a 2004 finding</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/ 19_56=
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face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2> http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/ 19_5=
6_5812_5_04.txt</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SBI ain't cuttin it in this 2006 =
study.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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size=3D2>http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Deportation doesn't seem such a great =
idea</FONT></DIV>
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<H2><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>27 July 2005</FONT></H2>
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<H3 class=3Dstorytitle id=3Dpost-460><A=20
title=3D"Permanent Link: New Study: Deporting Illegal Aliens Will Cost =
$41 Billion A Year=85Do They Take American Express??"=20
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href=3D" http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-ill=
egal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-america n-express/ "=20
rel=3Dbookmark><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>New Study: Deporting =
Illegal Aliens Will=20
Cost $41 Billion A Year=85Do They Take American =
Express??</FONT></A></H3>
<DIV class=3Dmeta><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>[</FONT><A=20
title=3D"Posts by Bryanna Bevens"=20
href=3D"http://blog.vdare.com/archives/author/bryanna-bevens/"><FONT =
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size=3D1>Bryanna Bevens</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>] @ =
11:24 am=20
[</FONT><A title=3D"Email author about this article"=20
href=3D"mailto:bbevens@vdareedit.com?subject=3DNew Study: Deporting =
Illegal Aliens Will Cost $41 Billion A Year=85Do They Take American =
Express??"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D1>Email author</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D1>] </FONT><A title=3D"[Email This Article]"=20
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<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Recently, former =
Speaker of the=20
House Newt Gingrich suggested that we round up and deport the millions =
of=20
illegal aliens who currently reside in the U.S. </FONT></P>
<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Silly =
mortal=85what on earth was=20
he thinking? Simple solutions to complicated problems just confuse the =
powers=20
that be=96he should have used graphs and flow charts=85you know, =
visual aids that=20
provide an opportunity for interpretation. </FONT></P>
<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>To discourage the =
idea, the=20
</FONT><A href=3D"http://www.americanprogress.org/"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D1>Center for American Progress </FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D1>(CAP=96whatever that=92s supposed to be) prepared a sort of =
makeshift=20
</FONT><A=20
=
href=3D" http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=3DbiJRJ8OVF&am p;amp;b=3D=
913099"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D1>cost/benefit analysis </FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D1>for=20
deporting millions of illegal aliens. </FONT></P>
<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>Hmm=85I wonder =
what they=20
determined?? Surprise, surprise, surprise=85the cost is astronomical. =
In fact,=20
according to CAP, the solution is cost prohibitive.</FONT></P>
<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>[extracted from =
the report=20
linked below]</FONT></P>
<P class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D1>=93Using publicly =
available data,=20
we estimate the costs of a mass deportation effort to be at least $206 =
billion=20
over five years ($41.2 billion annually), and could be as high as $230 =
billion=20
or more. Spending $41.2 billion annually would exceed the entire =
budget of the=20
Department of Homeland Security for FY 2006 ($34.2 billion) and more =
than=20
double the annual cost of military operations in Afghanistan ($16.8=20
billion).=94</FONT></P>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><A=20
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href=3D" http://blog.vdare.com/archives/2005/07/27/new-study-deportin g-ill=
egal-aliens-will-cost-41-billion-a-year-do-they-take-america n-express/ "><=
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face=3DArial=20
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<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I could go on =
and you could go=20
on, but really... what's the point in google warring?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Which leads me =
to believe if=20
life here gets tougher for the illegals, they'll pack up and go home =
or at=20
least a portion of them will, without blasting more tax payer money at =
the=20
problem. I hate that it's come to trying to close off our borders but =
how much=20
money down the tube and how many terrorist bombs is it really going to =
take=20
for that to sink in?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=3Dstorycontent><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will there be a =
gaping hole in=20
the low end jobs? I'd expect it. Will it blow apar
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ou possibly can. Let's not even get into the<BR>>>>=20
'entitlement' problems or running away any decent health care worker=20
<BR>>>> because<BR>>>> of govt =
mandates.<BR>>>>=20
Does the current health system need work? Absolutely. Do we need the=20
fed<BR>>>> gov't doing it? NO.<BR>>> <BR>>> =
<BR>>>=20
The cure. That's not easy, nor is it going to be fast or smooth. I'd=20
<BR>>> approach it as a layered answer, like almost all problems =
in=20
life, and see <BR>>> what works. What works will depend on so =
many=20
variables, like region, <BR>>> patient, nature of illness, how =
the=20
illness was obtained, cure/easing of <BR>>> symptoms, procedures =
involved, doctors, insurance, hospital, etc.... <BR>>> =
Calculating for=20
those variables will be a mountain, however I think the very =
<BR>>>=20
first thing we have to do is stop the leeching and free riders. =
Illegals?=20
<BR>>> Sorry, you will not be admitted to the hospital because =
we're=20
tired of you <BR>>> sucking the life out of our economy. =
Welfare? You're=20
likely to be in line <BR>>> behind the guys that have prepaid =
through=20
insurance or other programs. Don't <BR>>> like it? Get legal, =
get=20
registered, get a job, start paying taxes and <BR>>> insurance =
like the=20
legal working population. Harsh? Yeah. Necessary? At this <BR>>> =
point,=20
yeah - think it is because where we're headed is a train wreck for=20
<BR>>> everyone and I can see the wheels coming off as we speak. =
At this=20
point <BR>>> there is no gentle answer, there has been too much =
ripping=20
off going too <BR>>> many ways to fix it nicely. I pay taxes, I =
pay=20
insurance and I take the best <BR>>> care of my self as I =
possibly can.=20
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Tue, 22 May 2007 16:07 |
Sarah
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ed <BR>>> for being responsible =
by those=20
that aren't. The $100 aspirin? That is very <BR>>> very likely =
to have=20
come from greasy suit happy lawyers/clients and free <BR>>>=20
loaders.<BR>>> <BR>>>> This is a cultural issure. Tehre =
are=20
those in this country who belive that<BR>>>> great health =
care is not=20
for all , but only to those who can afford it..<BR>>> =
<BR>>> There=20
are those that believe it should be given scot free to them from my=20
<BR>>> hard work. Your point? This isn't cultural unless you =
count=20
illegal entry <BR>>> into the country and laziness as a culture. =
Add=20
welfare state to that, <BR>>> though it's not a 100% as are not =
the=20
other catagories. Unfortunately we <BR>>> don't have the =
resources to=20
successfully divide these groups into the <BR>>> trying/not =
trying sub=20
groups with exception to the laziness group.<BR>>> =
<BR>>>> Now:=20
other than the top 3 percent earners in this country, who can pay=20
for<BR>>>> a decent medical insurance plan (not top notched) =
today???=20
Not many <BR>>>> families<BR>>>> can afford on =
average=20
$600-1000 per month for health care..With rising <BR>>>>=20
fuel<BR>>>> cost, food, utilities...it's just not in the =
budget for=20
mant these days..<BR>>> <BR>>> Where did those figures =
arive from?=20
I'm not saying health care 'is' <BR>>> affordable, but I would =
like to=20
get some idea of how you came to those <BR>>> numbers as an=20
average.<BR>>> <BR>>>> And, if you are one of fortunate =
millionairs, well, you are only one <BR>>>>=20
catstrophic<BR>>>> illness away from seeing all of your =
fortune=20
sucked away...That's <BR>>>> horrible!!<BR>>>> to =
work hard=20
to acheive financial freedom, only to have it sucked from =
you<BR>>>>=20
because you "aford it"... What happens when another loved one has some =
<BR>>>> debilitating<BR>>>> disorder =
????<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> Millionaire or not, we all face this divide. Being super =
rich or=20
super broke <BR>>> makes no difference here. At current =
system/rates,=20
they'll get your money <BR>>> for any serious long term illness =
either=20
way. And old age is considered a <BR>>> long term illness these =
days,=20
curable only by death. That sucks, but it's a <BR>>> reality we =
all=20
better prepare for in the event we live into retirement or =
<BR>>>=20
beyond.<BR>>> <BR>>>> The goverment system won't be =
great, but=20
if packaged as a 60-70 percent <BR>>>> =
"supplement"<BR>>>>=20
to your employer or self paid medical plan, then all can have =
dignified=20
<BR>>>> health<BR>>>> coverage.<BR>>> =
<BR>>> And=20
who pays the other 30-40 percent on those that are here illegal (how=20
<BR>>> would you collect on an illegal _anyway_ with the feds?), =
live on=20
welfare or <BR>>> don't have insurance/money?<BR>>> =
<BR>>>=20
Our employers, reflected back to the cost of their goods and what they =
can=20
<BR>>> pay us for producing them. That's right.. right back =
where we are=20
now. Those <BR>>> that have will not have for long because those =
that=20
don't will take it away <BR>>> through gov't mandate and the law =
of=20
economics. The average Joe gets screwed <BR>>> again. We'll pay =
for the=20
poor through taxes, then again through the health <BR>>> care =
overages=20
we'll have to provide post gov't supplement. Any fool can look =
<BR>>> at=20
social security (hah, what a misnomer) and see what will happen. I've=20
<BR>>> been paying my life on a fund that I'm likely to never =
collect=20
upon. I'm not <BR>>> willing to add another to that list. =
Entitlement is=20
crap and it doesn't work <BR>>> for any length of time before =
becoming=20
corruption.<BR>>> <BR>>> Sorry man, I don't see this =
working. But=20
it's a nice thought. We've got to <BR>>> start dealing with our =
border=20
and overpopulation problems because so many <BR>>> things are a =
result=20
of this root issue.<BR>>> <BR>>> AA<BR>>>=20
<BR>>>><BR>>>> "Aaron Allen" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>know-spam@not_here.dude</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>> Exactly Deej. I can tell you right now =
first hand=20
experience that the <BR>>>>> 'govt'<BR>>>>> =
way is to=20
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Tue, 22 May 2007 18:09 |
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s, MCI, etc...) It doesn't suck, but its not anywhere close to
the
>hype, regardless of who is saying it (and how much they are compensated
for
>saying it)...
>From what I heard, the biggest advantage is that these Toft boards are ....
>new.
>
>IMO, $5-$6K will buy an awful lot more quality, character, and sonic mojo
>than the Tofts...but that's just one opinion.
>
>Oh - and the reason it took so long to get the board released: (this direct
>from Alan Hyatt himself) was the continual quality control issues, manufacturing
>snags, parts availablity in China, suppliers flaking, last minute design
>changes (some major ones), mass shipping plans that fell through, etc...
>
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>>that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>
>>great sound.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
>we
>>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
>if
>>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>
>>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
>even
>>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
>to be
>>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
>can
>>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
>if he
>>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>>
>>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
>sale
>>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
>was
>>> take
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Tue, 22 May 2007 19:14 |
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re very numbered...To the best of my knowledge,
>exactly 100% of the audio world has seen the proverbial writing on the wall...and
>with technology doublilng every 3-5 years, digital consoles are obsolete
>the moment they are released...sure, there are still a few big board users,
>but each year those numbers drop significantly, and the boards are either
>stripped for parts or decommissioned and stored...
>
>I can't say the Yamaha/Steinberg cooperative is gonna do anyone any good
>in the long run...its as if the two have throw their hands up in tandem
and
>surrendered to PTHD...I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding Nuendo in literally
>months...all the while SSL and Soundscape seem poised to give Digi a run
>for the money, but with ProTools sessions being the ennumerated standard
>for AES protocols now, it almost seems hopeless for any other format or
company...
>
>But there again, when 99% of any audio app's user base is more concerned
>with fake drums, putting everything on the grid, and having mp3 as the final
>delivery format, we all get what we derserve...
>
>Sorry to vent. (no, I'm not...but apologies are polite :) )
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>agreed.. Like James Mac has stated: These companie are all pouring their
>money
>>into the bedroom project studio user.
>>
>>I have some pro features like talk-back, but is a little lite onthe channel
>>side. I think a 24-32 channel is what's needed.
>>
>I think that Yamaha is hitting the largest percentage of the current
market with this product... the home recordist. Not everyone needs
100 channels with insane routing and monstrous DSP capability. Be
patient, good things WILL come from the merger of Yamaha and
Steinberg. Face it, the larger studios are dropping like flies, would
you invest R&D money to provide products for a shrinking market?
There will be some products from Yamaha that will bridge the gap
between the DM2K and the N Series offerings. I also anticipate a
large step up from the DM2K being offered within the next two years.
Add that to the current integration of the Yamaha mixers with CU/NU
and I think you will have a system that will steal a good portion of
Digi's business.
Let's face it though, unless Avid/Digi does something astronomically
stupid, people are not going to walk away from "the standard", no
matter what it sounds like.
David.
LaMont wrote:
> Yep.. I have my yearly rant about no other companies stepping up to theplate
> to give Digi a run.
>
> People have been speculating about Apple's new DAW could be that product.
> We'll have to see.
>
> As for Steingberg and Yamaha...Major dissapointment. Those new little NV
> whatever mixers/interfaces are not what has bben asked for bythe public.
>
> Then there are the Euphonix crowd. Very nice interface, but you';re gonna
> shell out 25k and over...Still cheaper than the SSL AW9000 and the Digi ICons..
>
> Edmund...Where are you..
>
>
>
> "wireline" <wirelinestudio@nospam
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sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>I agree, the days of the console are very numbered...To the best of my knowledge,
>>exactly 100% of the audio world has seen the proverbial writing on the wall...and
>>with technology doublilng every 3-5 years, digital consoles are obsolete
>>the moment they are released...sure, there are still a few big board users,
>>but each year those numbers drop significantly, and the boards are either
>>stripped for parts or decommissioned and stored...
>>
>>I can't say the Yamaha/Steinberg cooperative is gonna do anyone any good
>>in the long run...its as if the two have throw their hands up in tandem
>
> and
>
>>surrendered to PTHD...I haven't heard ANYTHING regarding Nuendo in literally
>>months...all the while SSL and Soundscape seem poised to give Digi a run
>>for the money, but with ProTools sessions being the ennumerated standard
>>for AES protocols now, it almost seems hopeless for any other format or
>
> company...
>
>>But there again, when 99% of any audio app's user base is more concerned
>>with fake drums, putting everything on the grid, and having mp3 as the final
>>delivery format, we all get what we derserve...
>>
>>Sorry to vent. (no, I'm not...but apologies are polite :) )
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>agreed.. Like James Mac has stated: These companie are all pouring their
>>
>>money
>>
>>>into the bedroom project studio user.
>>>
>>>I have some pro features like talk-back, but is a little lite onthe channel
>>>side. I think a 24-32 channel is what's needed.
>>>
>>
>Any thoughts on how the Paris A/D (24 bit, and I guess also the build in 20
bit A/D) stack up against the sorts on DACs you find in more recent, cheap
products - e.g. the Focusrite Saffire (which I'm probably most interested
in), and other units like RME / Presonus / etc.
Also, does anyone know what the Paris DACs actually are? I seem to remember
a reference to Crystal a looong time ago.
Cheers,
D
Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>Hi lamont,
>
>And you can use the M=Powered pro Tools and use Cubase or whatever else.
>
>Chris
>
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Dan,
>>
>> The M-Audio Project Mix I/O unit is better than the 002 and more flexible
>> than the 003..
>>
>> "Dan B" <daniel_burneNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks all for the input. Very interesting and more comprehensive than
I'd
>>> expected!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how the Digi 002 / 003 fit into the picture. I'm particularly
>>> concerned about A/D D/A (although good pre's are handy too), because
I've
>>> got a few fairly ok external pre's (SPL Gold Mic v1 and soon to get a
DAV
>>> BG-1). I also need a bunch of I/Os that aren't just pre's (which is
why
>>> the Focusrite was appealing, with line I/O, adat I/O, midi I/O etc).
>>>
>>> Out of curiousity, in terms of pure A/D D/A, how do any of these units
stack
>>> up against Paris? I'm not keen to take (too much of) a step backwards
if
>>> I do move, but portability - not to mention some of the features of Cubase
>>> (automatic plug in latency compensation, effects on subgroups, better
automation,
>>> integration wtih midi/vsti's) have got me thinking about moving. Though
>> not
>>> currently being a cubase user, that involves a whole steep learning curve!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> D
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Chris.. Thanks for your input. I'll have to check out the Micstasy
>> Pre-amp.
>>>>
>>>> I have to put M-Audio driver support right up there with RME. I have
the
>>>> 410FW unit and the newer 192 PCI card in a system, and they are fast
and
>>>> reliable as heck. Never a problem. AND,(smile) that old 2496 card drivers
>>>> (with the Emagic easi) driver support still holds it's own..Expecialy
for
>>>> a Giga PC/MAC...
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig <chrisl@adkproaudio.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Lamont,
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>> hey Chris, I agree, but I think the best sounding mic pres in a fire
>>> wire
>>>>>> unit that for some reason, get's overlooked is the Mackie 400F Onyx
>> http://www.mackie.com/products/400F/index.html
>>>>>> And if you need 8 mic pres and stand alone convertor, the Mackie 800
>>> http://www.mackie.com/products/800r/index.html.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Mackie 400f does sound very good but IMHO has poor dri
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Tue, 22 May 2007 20:25 |
Sarah
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decent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> price to let me use Paris on a laptop.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was considering the Focusrite Saffire Pro 26, and wondered if
anyone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> had
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> any experience of this unit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also keen to hear how the Paris converters stack up against
more
>>>> recent
>>>>>>>> ones, e.g. those in the Saffire. I know that the Paris A/D D/A was
>>> pretty
>>>>>>>> sweet back when I bought it in 1998, but I'm guessing that even
fairly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheap
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> converters these days would match or exceed the 24bit 8 in / out
cards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paris.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ADK Pro Audio
>>>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Chris Ludwig
>>>>> ADK
>>>>> chrisl@adkproaudio.com <mailto:chrisl@adkproaudio.com>
>>>>> www.adkproaudio.com <http://www.adkproaudio.com/>
>>>>> (859) 635-5762
>>
>
>--
>Chris Ludwig
>
>ADK Pro Audio
>(859) 635-5762
>www.adkproaudio.com
>chrisl@adkproaudio.comOK, the enthusiasm for the board makes a little more sense. I'd literally
pass on an 02R if it were offered to me for free.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Yes. Completely.. But, it does not imprint a sonic color like the Sony Digital
>mixers (DMX-1000/Oxford).. They were programmed to give a color.
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK guys, I just have to ask this. The 02R was a painfully bad sounding
mixer.
>>Ditto the 01V. One of my best buddies in the DSP programming business and
>>I once listened to a bunch of different digital mixers at the Frankfurt
>Messe.
>>Yamaha, Korg, Tascam and a few others, all in the high end project/low
end
>>commercial studio range. We just took a CD around and listened through
headphones.
>>The EQs were the personification of bad digital EQ--might look good in
the
>>textbook but it sounded awful. The compressors were decent, no character
>>but a fair degree of control. The reverbs sounded as digital as pretty
much
>>anything I've ever heard.
>>
>>So, does the DM2K sound _completely_ different than their previous digital
>>gear?
>>
>&g
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85023 is a reply to message #85011] |
Tue, 22 May 2007 21:04 |
Sarah
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t;TCB
>I hear you... sonically the O2R was VERY lackluster, I wouldn't use
one either. The new audio circuitry, the remote layer, and all the
monitoring and control functions make the DM2K a pleasure to use. I
was actually surprised to find that my rough monitor mixes through the
DM sounded better than the same rough mixes summed within Nuendo.
David.
TCB wrote:
> OK, the enthusiasm for the board makes a little more sense. I'd literally
> pass on an 02R if it were offered to me for free.
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>Yes. Completely.. But, it does not imprint a sonic color like the Sony Digital
>>mixers (DMX-1000/Oxford).. They were programmed to give a color.
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>OK guys, I just have to ask this. The 02R was a painfully bad sounding
>
> mixer.
>
>>>Ditto the 01V. One of my best buddies in the DSP programming business and
>>>I once listened to a bunch of different digital mixers at the Frankfurt
>>
>>Messe.
>>
>>>Yamaha, Korg, Tascam and a few others, all in the high end project/low
>
> end
>
>>>commercial studio range. We just took a CD around and listened through
>
> headphones.
>
>>>The EQs were the personification of bad digital EQ--might look good in
>
> the
>
>>>textbook but it sounded awful. The compressors were decent, no character
>>>but a fair degree of control. The reverbs sounded as digital as pretty
>
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| Re: OT: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85026 is a reply to message #85019] |
Tue, 22 May 2007 22:09 |
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often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
samples, but really, not too many!
IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!
So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?
Problem is most of the tube ones seem to be Opto... opto's too
slow for this. I hear the Avalon 747's real clean & it's got
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85027 is a reply to message #85023] |
Tue, 22 May 2007 22:14 |
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an
EQ, too, but that's an opto unit - and if my 737 is any
indication, it might not have enough "attitude". Anyone ever
try two 737's linked across a 2-buss? (I only have one, so I
can't try it) how did that work? Anyone using anything they
like that you think might get me where I need to go?
NeilYou need to insert a Neve Portico 5042 on your master bus "after" your
limiter and crank the drive to get that extra 3dB and tape sat........if you
don't, you will die
You knew deep down inside that you would be getting one of these, didn't
you?
<evil grin>
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4679df5c$1@linux...
>
> ..RMS... across the mix buss, I mean.
>
> In the metalesque genres I tend to find myself working in most
> often, I'm noticing that I can get the hot parts (choruses,
> bridges, kazoo solos, etc) up to in the -5db range, RMS,
> without any real difficulty. Beyond that, I start noticing
> unnacceptable artifacts... problem is: beyond that is where
> a good deal of this stuff is going on the commercial-release
> level. Check out Breaking Benjamin's "Diary of Jane" for a good
> example... the choruses get up into the -3 RMS range, and it
> sounds freakin' PHAT! Big-ass low-end, you still can hear (and
> SEE) the dynamics - you zoom in on the waveform, and there are
> a FEW places with flatlines/clips across a few consecutive
> samples, but really, not too many!
> IOW, great job Chris Lord-Alge & Ted Jensen!
>
> So, anyway - I insert Izotope Ozone across the 2-Buss when I'm
> at the "final tweak" stage of a mix & as I said, it gets me to
> a certain level, but not beyond (without losing fidelity &
> detail - which I don't want to do), so I've been thinking...
> maybe go back out analog? Maybe a nice tube compressor with
> lots of harmonics & big iron in the path might help a bit? Push
> things a little harder before it even hits Ozone, ya know?
>
> Problem is most of the tube ones seem to be Opto... opto's too
> slow for this. I hear the Avalon 747's real clean & it's got an
>
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85031 is a reply to message #85027] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 01:05 |
Sarah
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042 on your master bus "after" your
>>limiter and crank the drive to get that extra 3dB and tape sat........if
> you
>>don't, you will die
>>
>>You knew deep down inside that you would be getting one of these, didn't
>
>>you?
>>
>><evil grin>
>
> I have no doubt it sounds great, but I dunno if that's going to
> get me another 2 db RMS... I am hearing about mastering houses
> using convertors like Lavry Gold's & Prism's - convertors that
> cost like $15k - convertors that won't distort, no matter what
> you throw at 'em - and just lighting 'em up like christmas
> trees. One place apparently has rack covers over their
> convertors so the clients can't see them fire up & start
> panicking, thinking something's gone incredibly wrong lol.
>
> If that's what the latest trick is, then ain't no way I can get
> there; not at that price point... but I suspect I might be able
> to get a little bit closer - I think I might be missing an
> analog link in the back-end chain.
>
> Maybe two 737's followed by two Distressors??? Both units'
> frequency range response is off the map, so I don't think I'd
> lose any fidelity... Avalons would give me a gentle curve, plus
> the harmonics & big iron, and the benefit of EQ; Distressors
> would hit it hard & clamp it down.... anyone ever try this
> method?
>
> NeilWould it be too obvious a question to ask if you've tried routing it through
the Paris mix engine and smacking the bus?
AA
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467a0042$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>You need to insert a Neve Portico 5042 on your master bus "after" your
>>limiter and crank the drive to get that extra 3dB and tape sat........if
> you
>>don't, you will die
>>
>>You knew deep down inside that you would be getting one of these, didn't
>
>>you?
>>
>><evil grin>
>
> I have no doubt it sounds great, but I dunno if that's going to
> get me another 2 db RMS... I am hearing about mastering houses
> using convertors like Lavry Gold's & Prism's - convertors that
> cost like $15k - convertors that won't distort, no matter what
> you throw at 'em - and just lighting 'em up like christmas
> trees. One place apparently has rack covers over their
> convertors so the clients can't see them fire up & start
> panicking, thinking something's gone incredibly wrong lol.
>
> If that's what the latest trick is, then ain't no way I can get
> there; not at that price point... but I suspect I might be able
> to get a little bit closer - I think I might be missing an
> analog link in the back-end chain.
>
> Maybe two 737's followed by two Distressors??? Both units'
> frequency range response is off the map, so I don't think I'd
> lose any fidelity... Avalons would give me a gentle curve, pl
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| Re: Springtime in Islamberg. [message #85032 is a reply to message #85031] |
Wed, 23 May 2007 01:55 |
rick
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> the harmonics & big iron, and the benefit of EQ; Distressors
> would hit it hard & clamp it down.... anyone ever try this
> method?
>
> NeilNope, haven't tried that - truth be told, I thought about it,
but I know I'd lose some fidelity, and I'm trying to avoid that.
It's kinda like I already went through that with the summing
experiments, you know? IOW, if I try it, I already know what to
expect... fatter/thicker, but with some high-end veiling.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Would it be too obvious a question to ask if you've tried routing it through
>the Paris mix engine and smacking the bus?
>
>AA
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:467a0042$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>You need to insert a Neve Portico 5042 on your master bus "after" your
>>>limiter and crank the drive to get that extra 3dB and tape sat........if
>> you
>>>don't, you will die
>>>
>>>You knew deep down inside that you would be getting one of these, didn't
>>
>>>you?
>>>
>>><evil grin>
>>
>> I have no doubt it sounds great, but I dunno if that's going to
>> get me another 2 db RMS... I am hearing about mastering houses
>> using convertors like Lavry Gold's & Prism's - convertors that
>> cost like $15k - convertors that won't distort, no matter what
>> you throw at 'em - and just lighting 'em up like christmas
>> trees. One place apparently has rack covers over their
>> convertors so the clients can't see them fire up & start
>> panicking, thinking something's gone incredibly wrong lol.
>>
>> If that's what the latest trick is, then ain't no way I can get
>> there; not at that price point... but I suspect I might be able
>> to get a little bit closer - I think I might be missing an
>> analog link in the back-end chain.
>>
>> Maybe two 737's followed by two Distressors??? Both units'
>> frequency range response is off the map, so I don't think I'd
>> lose any fidelity... Avalons would give me a gentle curve, plus
>> the harmonics & big iron, and the benefit of EQ; Distressors
>> would hit it hard & clamp it down.... anyone ever try this
>> method?
>>
>> Neil
>
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Neil,
I like much of what you're doing. At your level you should let the pros =
in the
mastering world take your stuff to the next level. Try what Aaron said =
and/or take it to=20
a mastering engineer you trust. That's their gig.
Last session I attended the guy used all analog. I believe it was a =
Millenia Labs comp=20
for gain staging only to another Millenia Labs eq for minor tweaks to a =
Massive Passive=20
for other minor tweaks into the Waves L2. There's a few bucks in that =
signal chain and=20
this was only a jazz/rock CD.
Let the guys who do that stuff do it for you/client. Better for =
everyone to get
someone else's ears on the project at that point.
Just my latest take,
Tom
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:467a08ac$1@linux...
Would it be too obvious a question to ask if you've tried routing it =
through
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