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OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67140] Thu, 20 April 2006 18:38 Go to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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e speakers no longer
>have a desk top adding to their baffle, they sound terrific.
>
>Here's a pic. (look close and you can see me posting this on the
>screen. odd thought...)
>


Dood.... there's only one monitor. WTF is up with that????

pabSounds like an SPL TD in software. I've got one of the 4 channel hardware
units here. You can knock a hole through the wall with a kick or snare using
this. It's sorta like having a loaded 12ga shotgun on an insert.

;o)



"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>
> Judging by the description in Johns post the TransX plugs kinda
> sound like the same idea behind the Thransient Designer.Or am I
> off base here?
>
> Pete
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >Guys & Gals,
> >
> >Hey has anyone use this plugin from Waves (Transform Bundle). Well at our
> >comemrical studio, we have the Gold Bundle and this plugin has been
around
> >for a while no one has used it not tmy knowleged. So, I was mixing this
> Hip/Hop
> >Gospel track with , of courese some very "agressive" drums form Stylus
RMX.
> >This mix was coming along fine, but was lacking the punch thatit needed.
> >
> >
> >I don't know what came over me, but, I somehow I pulled in this plugin on
> >the master buss...BOOM!! The drums were "smack" dead in our faces..Sounds
> >like I had "inserted the SSL-G Master buss compressor(Aka quad
comp)..Really!!
> >
> >Shocked ,I put ithe Trans-X plug in bypass..Drums went back to their lack
> >luster place. So, I inserted the Trans-X on the Kick and Snare..I had an
> >LA-2 on both prior..nice, vut nothing to write home about for this type
> of
>
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67145 is a reply to message #67140] Thu, 20 April 2006 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Edna Sloan is currently offline  Edna Sloan   UNITED STATES
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g" target="_blank">cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:

>Dood.... there's only one monitor. WTF is up with that????
>
>pab


I am out of card slots, and there are no more G3 2-head cards, so
I run everything at 1600 x 1024 and arrange things in a clever
fashion... snork..

DC

How's your theater? Any good shows recently?"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I know.......I'm almost embarrased......... Don.....I'm gonna need to loan
>you a Matrox G450 AGP and two G450 PCI cards so you can run six monitors
and
>achieve some wretched excess. You'rte wayyyyyy too strack
>here.........oops.........do I see a Mac?????


A MAC?? WHERE?? OMG, how did THAT get in here....

Shhh, there's another one on the table top. I think they're
reproducing...


I hate the single nonitor, but the solution if probably going to be
one BEEG monitor rather than 2.

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Well.......I've got a fast stable system now. Is it tweaked to the very =
ultimate maxedout nth degree????.......well........noooooo.........but =
it is tweaked enough and it's batouttahell quick and everything works, =
and works much better than it was working before I fried my first mobo =
and then hosed the bios on the second one while trying to reconfigure my =
system to work uswing 4 x UAD-1 cards without crackling and at the same =
time losing my Matrox G450 in favor of a P750 (which was a bit of an =
adventure in it's own right).=20

I've had it running for a few hours now looping a 30 track project with =
lots of UAD-1 plugins and no problems.

I'm Ghosting and then I'm done........at least for a while.

Thanks again everybody.

;o)

"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message =
news:44625677@linux...
ah...services....my jr sys admin...uh, I mean my *bass =
player*....tweaked my services on one of the machines and it did a speed =
wobble akin to Ninja with a bad fork seal havin' a tank slap'r at =
140mph....lol (if you've ever had one you know there's no =
recoverin'..just hopefully a soft landing...) and the restore didn'
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67146 is a reply to message #67145] Thu, 20 April 2006 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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t =
help...so I asked my *real* guru what's the deal and all he did was =
laugh and say; "windows services uh, can this paris thingy run on an =
sgi/cray, cuz y'know we have that spare 1/2 million $ comp we got from =
ford last year that you can use...."....lol

then i got smart and ran ghost....

gotta love/hate those geeks.

glad you're at least up and runnin'....can't wait to hear the *tales =
of interest* on your future experiments.

jef

DJ wrote:=20
I had no luck with any of the suggestions I have received so I went =
back to my *pre-tweaked* Ghost image and reloaded it.

I did all of the preliminary tweaks (prior to the part where system =
services are tweaked). Everything worked fine. then I started doing the =
recommended changes to system services.....no disabling of any of them, =
just setting them to manual. I did two to three at a time, thinking I =
could always go back and set them back to the defaults once I hit the =
wall.......wrong!!!!=20

I'm not sure exactly which service, or combination of services being =
changed fromn automatic to manual is causing this, but it's d
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67147 is a reply to message #67146] Thu, 20 April 2006 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Edna Sloan is currently offline  Edna Sloan   UNITED STATES
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efinitely =
being caused by making changes in this area. To figure this out, I'm =
going to have to "Ghost" after I make each one, because once the fatal =
change is made, resetting back to defaults does not work. This will take =
a very long time and each Ghost Image uses quite a bit of HD space. I do =
have a 200G drive here and I may just do this for posterity's sake. It's =
just one of those things that could save some poor schmuck like me a lot =
of grief. I don't have time to do this right now. this system is rocking =
right along with the tweaks that work and I've got 12 songs to mix. Once =
I can come up for air, I may go back and Ghost the system services =
tweaks one by one until I find the gremlin.

Thanks Neil, Aaron...et al for the help/suggestions.

Deej - going where no man has (been a big enough dumbass to want to =
have) gone before.

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Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67148 is a reply to message #67147] Thu, 20 April 2006 20:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again everybody.</FONT></DIV>
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Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67151 is a reply to message #67147] Thu, 20 April 2006 21:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ose whom I respect that the Sony Oxford plugs are great!!

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Sounds like an SPL TD in software. I've got one of the 4 channel hardware
>units here. You can knock a hole through the wall with a kick or snare using
>this. It's sorta like having a loaded 12ga shotgun on an insert.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:4462b797$1@linux...
>>
>> Judging by the description in Johns post the TransX plugs kinda
>> sound like the same idea behind the Thransient Designer.Or am I
>> off base here?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Guys & Gals,
>> >
>> >Hey has anyone use this plugin from Waves (Transform Bundle). Well at
our
>> >comemrical studio, we have the Gold Bundle and this plugin has been
>around
>> >for a while no one has used it not tmy knowleged. So, I was mixing this
>> Hip/Hop
>> >Gospel track with , of courese some very "agressive" drums form Stylus
>RMX.
>> >This mix was coming along fine, but was lacking the punch thatit needed.
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't know what came over me, but, I somehow I pulled in this plugin
on
>> >the master buss...BOOM!! The drums were "smack" dead in our faces..Sounds
>> >like I had "inserted the SSL-G Master buss compressor(Aka quad
>comp)..Really!!
>> >
>> >Shocked ,I put ithe Trans-X plug in bypass..Drums went back to their
lack
>> >luster place. So, I inserted the Trans-X on the Kick and Snare..I had
an
>> >LA-2 on both prior..nice, vut nothing to write home about for this type
>> of
>> >music....Again...BOOM!! This kick was solid, Jumpd right in front, and
>was
>> >fuller & rounder. Again, like we I put this thru an SLL comp.. Same with
>> >the Snare & Claps..
>> >
>> >So, I started inserting the other Tranform plugs into various tracks.
>Simply,
>> >these plugs are "AWSOME!!.. Waves are making some of the best plugins
>I've
>> >heard and used in awhile.. AND, Iuse pretty much everything form
>(TDM,RTAS,
>> >VST) MsDsp, URS, UAD,Digi, Focusrite....Blah blah.. Istarted tolove waves
>
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67152 is a reply to message #67148] Thu, 20 April 2006 21:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kevin Hennessey is currently offline  Kevin Hennessey   UNITED STATES
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;> >again..
>> >
>>
>
>I have both the SPL TD4 (hardware), the Trans X and a similar Voxengo thing.
While the software can be cool, it is absolutely no match for the SPL unit.
The simplicity and the way it preserves the tone of the original while altering
the attack is un-beatable, so far I might add. The release knob can do wonders
on mic bleeds or if you want to prolong room sound.

Babu

"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Sounds like an SPL TD in software. I've got one of the 4 channel hardware
>units here. You can knock a hole through the wall with a kick or snare using
>this. It's sorta like having a loaded 12ga shotgun on an insert.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:4462b797$1@linux...
>>
>> Judging by the description in Johns post the TransX plugs kinda
>> sound like the same idea behind the Thransient Designer.Or am I
>> off base here?
>>
>> Pete
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Guys & Gals,
>> >
>> >Hey has anyone use this plugin from Waves (Transform Bundle). Well at
our
>> >comemrical studio, we have the Gold Bundle and this plugin has been
>around
>> >for a while no one has used it not tmy knowleged. So, I was mixing this
>> Hip/Hop
>> >Gospel track with , of courese some very "agressive" drums form Stylus
>RMX.
>> >This mix was coming along fine, but was lacking the punch thatit needed.
>> >
>> >
>> >I don't know what came over me, but, I somehow I pulled in this plugin
on
>> >the master buss...BOOM!! The drums were "smack" dead in our faces..Sounds
>> >like I had "inserted the SSL-G Master buss compressor(Aka quad
>comp)..Really!!
>> >
>> >Shocked ,I put ithe Trans-X plug in bypass..Drums went back to their
lack
>> >luster place. So, I inserted the Trans-X on the Kick and Snare..I had
an
>> >LA-2 on both prior..nice, vut nothing to write home about for this type
>> of
>> >music....Again...BOOM!! This kick was solid, Jumpd right in front, and
>was
>> >fuller & rounder. Again, like we I put this thru an SLL comp.. Same with
>> >the Snare & Claps..
>> >
>> >So, I started inserting the other Tranform plugs into various tracks.
>Simply,
>> >these plugs are "AWSOME!!.. Waves are making some of the best plugins
>I've
>> >heard and used in awhile.. AND, Iuse pretty much everything form
>(TDM,RTAS,
>> >VST) MsDsp, URS, UAD,Digi, Focusrite....Blah blah.. Istarted tolove waves
>> >again..
>> >
>>
>
>I agree that it's a great unit. I haven't compared it to anything else but
it sure can do some amazing sonic stuff.

;o)

"Babu" <musiclab@lund.bonet.se> wrote in message news:4462d597$1@linux...
>
> I have both the SPL TD4 (hardware), the Trans X and a similar Voxengo
thing.
> While the software can be cool, it is absolutely no match for the SPL
unit.
> The simplicity and the way it preserves the tone of the original while
altering
> the attack is un-beatable, so far I might add. The release knob can do
wonders
> on mic bleeds or if you want to prolong room sound.
>
> Babu
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
> >Sounds like an SPL TD in software. I've got one of the 4 channel hardware
> >units here. You can knock a hole through the wall with a kick or snare
using
> >this. It's sorta like having a loaded 12ga shotgun on an insert.
> >
> >;o)
> >
> >
> >
> >"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:4462b797$1@linux...
> >>
Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67153 is a reply to message #67140] Thu, 20 April 2006 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> >> Judging by the description in Johns post the TransX plugs kinda
> >> sound like the same idea behind the Thransient Designer.Or am I
> >> off base here?
> >>
> >> Pete
> >>
> >> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67154 is a reply to message #67153] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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/> > >> >
> >> >Guys & Gals,
> >> >
> >> >Hey has anyone use this plugin from Waves (Transform Bundle). Well at
> our
> >> >comemrical studio, we have the Gold Bundle and this plugin has been
> >around
> >> >for a while no one has used it not tmy knowleged. So, I was mixing
this
> >> Hip/Hop
> >> >Gospel track with , of courese some very "agressive" drums form Stylus
> >RMX.
> >> >This mix was coming along fine, but was lacking the punch thatit
needed.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >I don't know what came over me, but, I somehow I pulled in this plugin
> on
> >> >the master buss...BOOM!! The drums were "smack" dead in our
faces..Sounds
> >> >like I had "inserted the SSL-G Master buss compressor(Aka quad
> >comp)..Really!!
> >> >
> >> >Shocked ,I put ithe Trans-X plug in bypass..Drums went back to their
> lack
&g
Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67155 is a reply to message #67154] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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t; >> >luster place. So, I inserted the Trans-X on the Kick and Snare..I had
> an
> >> >LA-2 on both prior..nice, vut nothing to write home about for this
type
> >> of
> >> >music....Again...BOOM!! This kick was solid, Jumpd right in front, and
> >was
> >> >fuller & rounder. Again, like we I put this thru an SLL comp.. Same
with
> >> >the Snare & Claps..
> >> >
> >> >So, I started inserting the other Tranform plugs into various tracks.
> >Simply,
> >> >these plugs are "AWSOME!!.. Waves are making some of the best plugins
> >I've
> >> >heard and used in awhile.. AND, Iuse pretty much everything form
> >(TDM,RTAS,
> >> >VST) MsDsp, URS, UAD,Digi, Focusrite....Blah blah.. Istarted tolove
waves
> >> >again..
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>hey tom,

wouldn't ya know it...i fire up the pc and now nothing works...
anyhow, in the Devices>Midi Device Manager>Device Installer lists all
the (most) keyboards and modules. This might be what you're looking
for.

also Devices>Device Setup what default midi input shows up

in the arrange window when you select the mid
Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67156 is a reply to message #67154] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i track the output should
be the midi port and the input should be the instrument

well i've got to get back out to the studio to see why i can step
input from the pro 88 but not real time....hell it worked
yesterday...go figure.

On Wed, 10 May 2006 15:57:18 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Rick,
>"have you loaded in the sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the puter
>now and i don't remember the what the option label is to add specific
>hardware for recognition."
>
>Not sure what you're talking about here. I'll look for it though.
>
>The way I read the graphic display is the column on the left is all the MIDI outputs.
>I click the inputs to their right to route those MIDI outputs to those inputs. This works
>fine once I've disconnected the USB. The reason I do this is because I need to program
>synths using an Amiga (soon to go). To get Cubase to play audio to these synths I
>have to reconnect the USB but the preset that allows the Amiga to edit no longer works!
>Pain in the sphincter.
>
>Major problem #1:
>I set Cubase's MIDI input to #1 which is my controller's MIDI port but can't receive data
>in Cubase. How should that be set to record MIDI data? I'm hoping to figure this out
>on my own.
>
>Major problem #2:
>I wanted to send SMPTE to the MIDI Sport and thought it would be able to convert that
>to MTC like the Motu box did. It seems it doesn't. I have heard that there is a way to get Cub
Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67157 is a reply to message #67156] Thu, 20 April 2006 22:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ase
>to read SMPTE but am not sure how to do that. My other option I guess is to add a MIDI card to Paris and
>another possibly to Cubase to allow MTC to do the syncing. More hardware I was hoping
>to avoid for this task.
>
>I'm about to try again. I'll come back for your response and tell you what I've learned.
>Tom
>
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:nrd462hcmttln0fb0m39hb7jhamkj0hpfe@4ax.com...
> hey tom,
>
> i use the same box for both the mac and the pc. from what i gather
> you're doing more than i am with the midi. i just have the one
> controller (pro 88) that i use in both logic and sx for the vstis and
> the m24 for logic though it can be used for either.
>
> have you loaded in the sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the puter
> now and i don't remember the what the option label is to add specific
> hardware for recognition.
>
> " assign the output of my master keyboard>to Cubase, engage record and
> yet no note data is present when it's complete.???"
>
> are you sure you have the right order in what is designated as in of
> out for...man i'm sorry. i'll have to go out to the studio to see
> which is which. like i said it's been a few months since i used sx.
> ..and since the other engineer hasn't been here to eff things up i
> haven't had to fix it.
>
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:40:53 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Rick,
> >Thanks for the help Rick
> >
> >Are you passing MTC through it or is that outside the box?
> >Do you use a separate MIDI box for Cubase to get to it or
> >do you leave the USB in while in use? Are able to get
> >MIDI input? I have to triple check my settings for that.
> >It shows 8 ins, 8 outs and the SMPTE in outs under my
> >list of MIDI ports. I assign the output of my master keyboard
> >to Cubase, engage record and yet no note data is present
> >when it's complete. ???
> >
> >While hooked up via USB the box outputs data to everything fine.
> >I have to disconnect the USB to get my presets to function though.
> >Seems odd. Once the USB is disconnected then there's no
> >link to Cubase!
> >
> >I'll try some more things,
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >"rick" <

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Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67161 is a reply to message #67140] Fri, 21 April 2006 03:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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"mailto:musiclab@lund.bonet.se" target="_blank">musiclab@lund.bonet.se> wrote:
>
>I have both the SPL TD4 (hardware), the Trans X and a similar Voxengo thing.
>While the software can be cool, it is absolutely no match for the SPL unit.
>The simplicity and the way it preserves the tone of the original while altering
>the attack is un-beatable, so far I might add. The release knob can do wonders
>on mic bleeds or if you want to prolong room sound.
>
>Babu
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>>Sounds like an SPL TD in software. I've got one of the 4 channel hardware
>>units here. You can knock a hole through the wall with a kick or snare
using
>>this. It's sorta like having a loaded 12ga shotgun on an insert.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:4462b797$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Judging by the description in Johns post the TransX plugs kinda
>>> sound like the same idea behind the Thransient Designer.Or am I
>>> off base here?
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Guys & Gals,
>>> >
>>> >Hey has anyone use this plugin from Waves (Transform Bundle). Well at
>our
>>> >comemrical studio, we have the Gold Bundle and this plugin has been
>>around
>>> >for a while no one has used it not tmy knowleged. So, I was mixing this
>>> Hip/Hop
>>> >Gospel track with , of courese some very "agressive" drums form Stylus
>>RMX.
>>> >This mix was coming along fine, but was lacking the punch thatit needed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I don't know what came over me, but, I somehow I pulled in this plugin
>on
>>> >the master buss...BOOM!! The drums were "smack" dead in our faces..Sounds
>>> >like I had "inserted the SSL-G Master buss compressor(Aka quad
>>comp)..Really!!
>>> >
>>> >Shocked ,I put ithe Trans-X plug in bypass..Drums went back to their
>lack
>>> >luster place. So, I inserted the Trans-X on the Kick and Snare..I had
>an
>>> >LA-2 on both prior..nice, vut nothing to write home about for this type
>>> of
>>> >music....Again...BOOM!! This kick was solid, Jumpd right in front, and
>>was
>>> >fuller & rounder. Again, like we I put this thru an SLL comp.. Same
with
>
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67162 is a reply to message #67161] Fri, 21 April 2006 04:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kim is currently offline  Kim
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;>> >the Snare & Claps..
>>> >
>>> >So, I started inserting the other Tranform plugs into various tracks.
>>Simply,
>>> >these plugs are "AWSOME!!.. Waves are making some of the best plugins
>>I've
>>> >heard and used in awhile.. AND, Iuse pretty much everything form
>>(TDM,RTAS,
>>> >VST) MsDsp, URS, UAD,Digi, Focusrite....Blah blah.. Istarted tolove
waves
>>> >again..
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>I'm running an ATI 9200 card with DVI and VGA ports in my G4 system. The DVI
connects to a 20" Dell panel @ 1600 x 1200 and the VGA to a 17" Daewoo panel
@ 1280 x 1024.


"DC" <dc@spamyermama.com> wrote:
>
>Paul Braun <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>>Dood.... there's only one monitor. WTF is up with that????
>>
>>pab
>
>
>I am out of card slots, and there are no more G3 2-head cards, so
>I run everything at 1600 x 1024 and arrange things in a clever
>fashion... snork..
>
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Rick,
I'll give it a shot. Thanks!
Tom

"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
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hey tom,

wouldn't ya know it...i fire up the pc and now nothing works...
anyhow, in the Devices>Midi Device Manager>Device Installer lists all
the (most) keyboards and modules. This might be what you're looking
for.

also Devices>Device Setup what default midi input shows up

in the arrange window when you select the midi track the output should
be the midi port and the input should be the instrument

well i've got to get back out to the studio to see why i can step
input from the pro 88 but not real time....hell it worked
yesterday...go figure.

On Wed, 10 May 2006 15:57:18 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Rick,
>"have you loaded in the sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the =
puter
>now and i don't remember the what the option label is to add specific
>hardware for recognition."
>
>Not sure what you're talking about here. I'll look for it though.
>
>The way I read the graphic display is the column on the left is all =
the MIDI outputs.
>I click the inputs to their right to route those MIDI outputs to =
those inputs. This works
>fine once I've disconnected the USB. The reason I do this is because =
I need to program=20
>synths using an Amiga (soon to go). To get Cubase to play audio to =
these synths I
>have to reconnect the USB but the preset that allows the Amiga to =
edit no longer works!
>Pain in the sphincter.
>
>Major problem #1:
>I set Cubase's MIDI input to #1 which is my controller's MIDI port =
but can't receive data
>in Cubase. How should that be set to record MIDI data? I'm hoping =
to figure this out
>on my own.
>
>Major problem #2:
>I wanted to send SMPTE to the MIDI Sport and thought it would be able =
to convert that
>to MTC like the Motu box did. It seems it doesn't. I have heard =
that there is a way to get Cubase=20
>to read SMPTE but am not sure how to do that. My other option I =
guess is to add a MIDI card to Paris and
>another possibly to Cubase to allow MTC to do the syncing. More =
hardware I was hoping
>to avoid for this task.
>
>I'm about to try again. I'll come back for your response and tell =
you what I've learned.
>Tom
>
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:nrd462hcmttln0fb0m39hb7jhamkj0hpfe@4ax.com...
> hey tom,
>
> i use the same box for both the mac and the pc. from what i gather
> you're doing more than i am with the midi. i just have the one
> controller (pro 88) that i use in both logic and sx for the vstis =
and
> the m24 for logic though it can be used for either.
>
> have you loaded in the sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the =
puter
> now and i don't remember the what the option label is to add =
specific
> hardware for recognition.
>
> " assign the output of my master keyboard>to Cubase, engage record =
and
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> yet no note data is present when it's complete.???"
>
> are you sure you have the right order in what is designated as in =
of
> out for...man i'm sorry. i'll have to go out to the studio to see
> which is which. like i said it's been a few months since i used =
sx.
> ..and since the other engineer hasn't been here to eff things up i
> haven't had to fix it.
>
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:40:53 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" =
<arpegio@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Rick,
> >Thanks for the help Rick
> >
> >Are you passing MTC through it or is that outside the box?
> >Do you use a separate MIDI box for Cubase to get to it or
> >do you leave the USB in while in use? Are able to get
> >MIDI input? I have to triple check my settings for that.
> >It shows 8 ins, 8 outs and the SMPTE in outs under my
> >list of MIDI ports. I assign the output of my master keyboard
> >to Cubase, engage record and yet no note data is present
> >when it's complete. ???
> >
> >While hooked up via USB the box outputs data to everything fine.
> >I have to disconnect the USB to get my presets to function though.
> >Seems odd. Once the USB is disconnected then there's no=20
> >link to Cubase! =20
> >
> >I'll try some more things,
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message =
news:9ce36216huotqa14la25bho89g7mivothp@4ax.com...
> > it's been a few months since i've used sx but do you have all =
your
> > I/O's properly assigned? i'm also assuming you have the midi =
cables
> > connected to there proper port assignments. i have mine (4 =
version)
> > connected to both my mac and pc via a usb hub and also using =
midi
> > cables connected to the various gear (m24 controller and a pro =
88 kb).
> >
> > On Tue, 9 May 2006 23:56:04 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" =
<arpegio@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Help needed!
> > >
> > >Is it possible to get this box to function while connected to =
the Cubase via USB?
> > >It appears to only honor the presets I've created once it's =
disconnected. When
> > >it's connected it routes out to all synths (good) but I haven't =
been able to get
> > >my controllers note data in. =20
> > >
> > >Does this thing transmit MTC from the SMPTE it receives? If =
not then do I now
> > >have to get another MIDI module to send Cubase to and from this =
8x8 patchbay
> > >to get to my synths so I can actually facilitate the presets =
I've created? This seems=20
> > >like the only way to allow Paris' MTC to Cubase (not all the =
synths too) and use my=20
> > >different presets.
> > >
> > >The Motu crashed everytime I used sysex. MIDI Sport won't even =
acknowledge I'm
> > >there when it's connected to Cubase via USB. No presets or =
MIDI input allowed.
> > >At least it's not crashing!
> > >
> > >I'm obviously confused.

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Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67165 is a reply to message #67162] Fri, 21 April 2006 05:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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t;BR>On Wed, 10 May 2006 15:57:18 =
-0400,=20
"Tom Bruhl" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>&gt;<BR>wrote:=
<BR><BR>&gt;Rick,<BR>&gt;"have=20
you loaded in the sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the =
puter<BR>&gt;now=20
and i don't remember the what the option label is to add=20
specific<BR>&gt;hardware for recognition."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Not sure =
what you're=20
talking about here.&nbsp; I'll look for it though.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;The =
way I=20
read the graphic display is the column on the left is all the MIDI=20
outputs.<BR>&gt;I
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problem #1:<BR>&gt;I set Cubase's MIDI input to #1 which is my =
controller's=20
MIDI port but can't receive data<BR>&gt;in Cubase.&nbsp; How should =
that be=20
set to record MIDI data?&nbsp; I'm hoping to figure this out<BR>&gt;on =
my=20
own.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Major problem #2:<BR>&gt;I wanted to send SMPTE to =
the=20
MIDI Sport and thought it would be able to convert that<BR>&gt;to MTC =
like the=20
Motu box did.&nbsp; It seems it doesn't.&nbsp; I have heard that there =
is a=20
way to get Cubase <BR>&gt;to read SMPTE but am not sure how to do =
that.&nbsp;=20
My other option I guess is to add a MIDI card to Paris =
and<BR>&gt;another=20
possibly to Cubase to allow MTC to do the syncing.&nbsp; More hardware =
I was=20
hoping<BR>&gt;to avoid for this task.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;I'm about to try=20
again.&nbsp; I'll come back for your response and tell you what I've=20
learned.<BR>&gt;Tom<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; "rick" =
&lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:nrd462hcmttln0fb0m39hb7jhamkj0hpfe@4ax.com">news:nrd462hcmtt=
ln0fb0m39hb7jhamkj0hpfe@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
hey tom,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; i use the same box for both the mac and =
the=20
pc.&nbsp; from what i gather<BR>&gt;&nbsp; you're doing more than i am =
with=20
the midi.&nbsp; i just have the one<BR>&gt;&nbsp; controller (pro 88) =
that i=20
use in both logic and sx for the vstis and<BR>&gt;&nbsp; the m24 for =
logic=20
though it can be used for either.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; have you =
loaded in the=20
sampler data crap...sorry i'm not at the puter<BR>&gt;&nbsp; now and i =
don't=20
remember the what the option label is to add specific<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
hardware=20
for recognition.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; " assign the output of my =
master=20
keyboard&gt;to Cubase, engage record and<BR>&gt;&nbsp; yet no note =
data is=20
present when it's complete.???"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; are you sure you =
have=20
the
Re: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67170 is a reply to message #67140] Fri, 21 April 2006 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rich Lamanna is currently offline  Rich Lamanna   UNITED STATES
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>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;to Cubase, =
engage=20
record and yet no note data is present<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;when it's =
complete.=20
???<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;While hooked up via USB the =
box=20
outputs data to everything fine.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;I have to =
disconnect the=20
USB to get my presets to function though.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;Seems =
odd.&nbsp;=20
Once the USB is disconnected then there's no <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;link =
to=20
Cubase!&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;I'll try some more =

things,<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;Tom<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;"rick" &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:parnell68@hotmail.com">parnell68@hotmail.com</A>&gt; =
wrote in=20
message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:9ce36216huotqa14la25bho89g7mivothp@4ax.com">news:9ce36216huo=
tqa14la25bho89g7mivothp@4ax.com</A>...<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
&gt;&nbsp; it's been a few months since i've used sx but do you have =
all=20
your<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; I/O's properly assigned?&nbsp; i'm also =
assuming=20
you have the midi cables<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; connected to there =
proper=20
port assignments.&nbsp; i have mine (4&nbsp; version)<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp;=20
connected to both my mac and pc via a usb hub and also using=20
midi<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; cables connected to the various gear =
(m24=20
controller and a pro 88 kb).<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;&nbsp; On=20
Tue, 9 May 2006 23:56:04 -0400, "Tom Bruhl" &lt;<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:arpegio@comcast.net">arpegio@comcast.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&n=
bsp;=20
&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Help =

needed!<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Is =
it=20
possible to get this box to function while connected to the Cubase via =

USB?<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;It appears to only honor the presets =
I've=20
created once it's disconnected.&nbsp; When<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;it's=20
connected it routes out to all synths (good) but I haven't been able =
to=20
get<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;my controllers note data in.&nbsp;=20
<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;Does this =
thing=20
transmit MTC from the SMPTE it receives?&nbsp; If not then do I=20
now<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;have to get another MIDI module to =
send=20
Cubase to and from this 8x8 patchbay<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;to =
get to my=20
synths so I can actually facilitate the presets I've created?&nbsp; =
This seems=20
<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;like the only way to allow Paris' MTC to =
Cubase=20
(not all the synths too) and use my <BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;different=20
presets.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;The Motu=20
crashed everytime I used sysex.&nbsp; MIDI Sport won't even =
acknowledge=20
I'm<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;there when it's connected to Cubase =
via=20
USB.&nbsp; No presets or MIDI input allowed.<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; =
&gt;At=20
least it's not crashing!<BR>&gt;&nbsp; &gt;&nbsp; &gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;=20
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I recently put my "B" system to good use by recording some local Indie
bands.
The front end was an Allen & Heath GL 2200 direct to 16 trk mec 16 bit.
I put about an hr of mix / clean up work into each tune and used very little
fx or widening since it's not my music. I did get permission to post the
samples though.

Here are the links - the files are wav not mp3s.

Rock on,
Lance

We're pretty happy with the recording qualtiy on this.
http://www.qbdigital.com/philo.htm

These guys were awesome but pretty loud.
The before and after mix is pretty amazing
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way t'go!
j

DJ wrote:

> Well.......I've got a fast stable system now. Is it tweaked to the
> very ultimate maxedout nth
> degree????.......well........noooooo.........but it is tweaked enough
> and it's batouttahell quick and everything works, and works much
> better than it was working before I fried my first mobo and then hosed
> the bios on the second one while trying to reconfigure my system to
> work uswing 4 x UAD-1 cards without crackling and at the same time
> losing my Matrox G450 in favor of a P750 (which was a bit of an
> adventure in it's own right).
>
> I've had it running for a few hours now looping a 30 track project
> with lots of UAD-1 plugins and no problems.
>
> I'm Ghosting and then I'm done........at least for a while.
>
> Thanks again everybody.
>
> ;o)
>
>
> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com
> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com>> wrote in message
> news:44625677@linux...
> ah...services....my jr sys admin...uh, I mean my *bass
> player*....tweaked my services on one of the machines and it did a
> speed wobble akin to Ninja with a bad fork seal havin' a tank
> slap'r at 140mph....lol (if you've ever had one you know there's
> no recoverin'..just hopefully a soft landing...) and the restore
> didn't help...so I asked my *real* guru what's the deal and all he
> did was laugh and say; "windows services uh, can this paris thingy
> run on an sgi/cray, cuz y'know we have that spare 1/2 million $
> comp we got from ford last year that you can use...."....lol
>
> then i got smart and ran ghost....
>
> gotta love/hate those geeks.
>
> glad you're at least up and runnin'....can't wait to hear the
> *tales of interest* on your future experiments.
>
> jef
>
> DJ wrote:
>
>> I had no luck with any of the suggestions I have received so I
>> went back to my *pre-tweaked* Ghost image and reloaded it.
>>
>> I did all of the preliminary tweaks (prior to the part where
>> system services are tweaked). Everything worked fine. then I
>> started doing the recommended changes to system services.....no
>> disabling of any of them, just setting them to manual. I did two
>> to three at a time, thinking I could always go back and set them
>> back to the defaults once I hit the wall.......wrong!!!!
>>
>> I'm not sure exactly which service, or combination of services
>> being changed fromn automatic to manual is causing this, but it's
>> definitely being caused by making changes in this area. To figure
>> this out, I'm going to have to "Ghost" after I make each one,
>> because once the fatal change is made, resetting back to defaults
>> does not work. This will take a very long time and each Ghost
>> Image uses quite a bit of HD space. I do have a 200G drive here
>> and I may just do this for posterity's sake. It's just one of
>> those things that could save some poor schmuck like me a lot of
>> grief. I don't have time to do this right now. this system is
>> rocking right along with the tweaks that work and I've got 12
>> songs to mix. Once I can come up for air, I may go back and Ghost
>> the system services tweaks one by one until I find the gremlin.
>>
>> Thanks Neil, Aaron...et al for the help/suggestions.
>>
>> Deej - *going where no man has* /(been a big enough dumbass to
>> want to have)/ *gone before*.
>

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Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67200 is a reply to message #67193] Fri, 21 April 2006 20:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: OT: The trouble with learning jazz... [message #67207 is a reply to message #67202] Fri, 21 April 2006 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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